*Tandem Talk Newsletter:* join.kametrick.com/ Drift Techniques, Behind The Scenes, and Bonus Content Inside! Video Chapters 0:00 - How to Steer with Braking Techniques 1:09 - Steering with Angle and Engine Braking 2:05 - When to use Handbrake in Drift 3:57 - Introduction to Foot Braking in Drift 4:54 - When to use Normal Foot Brake in Drift 5:34 - Feint Entries with Handbrake and Foot Brake 6:35 - Using Left Foot Brake in Drift 7:27 - When to use Light Left Foot Brake 8:38 - When to use Heavy Left Foot Brake 9:43 - How to use Left Foot Brake in Tandem Drifting
Man, this is perfect timing! I'm going through the process of learning these techniques on my sim setup. It's been frustrating at times trying to get stuff right, but this helps so much so thank you for this!!
I’m glad I could help! Keep practicing and things will continue to click as your internalize the techniques and make connections about what works best in different corners or tandem situations 💪
This is the best video I've seen on left foot braking. I learned sim drifting on touges, in solo, so I didn't even go online in Assetto until a year ago(I've been learning on sims for about four years now though). And left foot braking was just something that I started doing naturally when drifting touges like Happogahara. You slow down for a corner and you notice that the car naturally swings the rear out as a consequence. And by now I consider it to be almost as important as throttle and wheel control. I think of throttle, wheel and brake when used together acting as a way of triangulating the car's position. Imagine the car from overhead: you want to know exactly where it is: so you have three dots that when linked confine the car to a particular position. That's triangulation. If you only have two dots you're not going to be able to confine it to a very precise position. But add a third dot and you can determine where it is with a lot more precision. That's what adding left foot brake to throttle and wheel control does for me. Those three things triangulate the position of the car while drifting. I was drifting a Tsubaki line lobby yesterday, a very tricky touge with tight corners and roads and a lot of elevation changes, and I was using the brake in some form for pretty much 60-70% of the run. For forcing power over in tight areas where you can't weight-transfer flick the car, for tightening angle for an upcoming corner, for slowing a transition if it's getting a bit wild in too high a gear, for reverse entrying big fast corners, etc. etc. My handbrake(do not buy Fanatec handbrakes BTW - public service information, yw) has been broken since Christmas, and with left foot brake I really don't notice its absence that much. I don't use clutch anywhere near as much as left ft braking; other people use clutch a lot and I just don't quite understand what they're getting out of it aside from clutch-kicking for maintaining revs. I asked another YT drifter and they got quite angry and defensive because I said it seemed like left foot braking could do all of what the clutch was doing, only with more precision because you have more control over a brake than over a clutch. He said drifters only use the brake when they've made an error and left foot braking is pointless. That's when I left.
Sweet! I made it into another video at 8:22! Thank you again Ben🤟 this was my first time ever trying to follow from a distance. Your videos gave me the confidence to try my first ever "tandem" and I totally bailed on the last turn by hitting the brakes bc I felt too close lol
That’s the best way to start, I did the same thing when I was learning…try to watch the lead car and also pay attention to everything you normally do, but if you get too close it’s best to just bail and try again. Eventually you can start working on using handbrake to slow down before you need to bail until you can drift whole laps behind people (without being super close) and then do the same for left foot brake, slowly getting closer as you build more skill 👍🏻
You accelerate slower is great mnemonic. :)) You accelerate slower thus letting your rear catch up and get more oversteer, thus more angle. Quality vid!
I dont know which video it was but thank you in one of them you explained that you need the headroom to drift which helped me since on my favorite track i was attempting to drift while redlining often leading to me kissing the sidewall. While im not consistent yet it has helped me to succed on most corners and to be more consistent on ones that i could hit but not often
I didn't know left foot braking was the more understood technique. It just felt natural to left for because its you can make small and precise adjustments. It just felt like the right thing to do. I would often then get confused and didn't understand why I saw people using only one foot. You're video's definitely helped me understand more about the techniques for drifting. Thank you, You are doing an amazing job making these videos, you do such a good job about braking things down simply. Amazing work.
I appreciate the feedback! My video production schedule has been wrecked recently due to some unexpected health problems, but I still read all my comments, reply when I can, and take note of good ideas. If you have any suggestions, fire away. I hope to get back to editing by December once I recover😅
@@KameTrick Making the effort to not only try to read all your comments, but also respond to them, that is a very admirable trait. I don't know what kind of health problems you're going through, but I wish you good luck, I hope and I pray that you make a full recovery, Kame. Get better soon! Oh, and I absolutly LOVE your car! what kind of car is it?
@@majestic6idiot it's a 1991 Nissan 240SX. (S13 / 180/200SX are also basically the same car) Mine looks a little different due to aero kit stuff. They're great cars, but any RWD with around 150hp+ and a locking diff has the potential to be a solid drift car to get started with
Watching drifters is impressive already, but seeing in detail the techniques they use is astonishing 😮 Absolutely amazing 👏🏾 Might have to fire up AC and give it a go
I’ve been streaming a bit less to focus on edits like this one (but life got in the way and it’s been over a month 💀) As for the streams, I’m running an experiment and doing them on twitch for now. I actually have one tonight in about 5 hours 👋🏻 Hope to see you in the premiere tomorrow
Great content, delivery style and video examples! One minor issue is that you're talking about how various inputs affect the G-forces... But in reality there are no G-forces. There's the inertia of the car (that wants to go straight at constant speed and steady rotation if no forces are applied), friction from the tires (which is the primary thing you control with the pedals and the steering wheel) and the load on the suspension (which is the secondary thing you control). What's perceived by the driver as G-forces is just the car trying to carry the driver along with the car (same thing -- the body wants to keep traveling straight at constant speed).
I was SOOO stoked when that came out translated into English on DVD. Bought it straight away and watched it like 5 times before each IRL drift event I’d go to back when I was learning in 2004-05! Crazy to think that now I speak Japanese and have translated for D1 drivers at USA events, or that I used to live in Japan. Following a dream is wild 🤓
Yeah, I was using ebrake with left foot brake at the same time (that clip is slowed down, otherwise I’m not on the brake long enough for the B-roll footage to sync up to what I’m saying 😆
Thank you very much! Very interesting, I'll try this tomorrow in tandems. Seems, I know how all of this works, but cannot match with tandems unfortunately. I will try the last tip about left foot braking in transitions and this tip with less angle and control of the speed with the brake. But I have another issue: when I make a transition behind the leader, I jump too inside (go to inner line more than I need) and have less angle. Smaller angle I'll try to fix with left foot brake, but what to do with the lining behind the leader? Probably, this is not a question for a comments section, maybe one day you will decide to make a detailed video about this xD. What questions are in my head: where to watch and which parts of the leader car should I focus on to stay in good stable tandem? What line can be the most effective to control the situation and be able to stay close? How to handle slower drivers (for example, a leader who runs in super big angles)? The last one I guess is a left foot brake as well, but maybe you have more tips for this.
Can you please share your fanatec wheel settings? I’ve been dying to get some good settings. We have the same wheel and you have a lot of seat time in a real car, so I figure your settings are pretty realistic, thank you!
Pro tip: Set your brake bias heavily towards the front! I usually run 80/20 at 60% pressure which allows me to push and hold much wider lines. This is especially helpful if you transition early and come in too tight on a corner, because it literally pushes you wider without killing too much speed.
hey kame I was wondering have you ever used your sim on the game car x cause they got your car in the game and I wanted to get your opinion on if the game feels like real life to you and weather real life tuning actually translates to the game or not?
momentum and inertia. if you're going 30mph in a straight line, then rotate 90 degrees, the car will eventually come to a stop because you can only slide so far in that direction. even if you're on the gas, the power is pushing in a different direction compared to the direction the car is sliding. angle stall basically happens when all the 'forward' momentum runs out before you've carried the car across the arc of a turn.
Glad it’s helping!! And yeah it’s fine to just be a badass solo driver, cheaper too cause your car doesn’t take much damage that way. I was a solo-only driver for about 10 years, and I still do some solo laps, it’s all good 🤙🏻
For anyone who wants a good beginners drift car, which they can daily drive, that is affordable plus reliable... it sounds almost impossible. But there is the Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT86. These cars are affordable to get, good gas mileage, no turbo, very light, 4 seats 2 doors, low center of gravity, high redline, stock limited slip diff, 200+ hp, and somewhat narrow wheels. All of this means that the car just loves to go sideways, but it is very predictable. All while it is reliable and cheap to run.
Buying and Building the car can be expensive, I won’t guess on used car prices these days but expect to put 5-15K into tuning and aero. But you can break that out over several years! Annual maintenance is probably under $150. An actual track day with tires is $300-600 depending on how many tires you use, which is a function of how much power you tuned the car to make, and a big reason I like matsuri cars with only around 300-400whp. You can drive them gentle and only use 1.5-2 sets of tires per event ✌🏻
You definitely have to try things in the simulator or a real car, and as your understanding and skills improve various parts of this video will “click” for you more. Some of these techniques can be a lot to process, or challenging to visualize if you are still building your foundational knowledge.
*Tandem Talk Newsletter:* join.kametrick.com/
Drift Techniques, Behind The Scenes, and Bonus Content Inside!
Video Chapters
0:00 - How to Steer with Braking Techniques
1:09 - Steering with Angle and Engine Braking
2:05 - When to use Handbrake in Drift
3:57 - Introduction to Foot Braking in Drift
4:54 - When to use Normal Foot Brake in Drift
5:34 - Feint Entries with Handbrake and Foot Brake
6:35 - Using Left Foot Brake in Drift
7:27 - When to use Light Left Foot Brake
8:38 - When to use Heavy Left Foot Brake
9:43 - How to use Left Foot Brake in Tandem Drifting
Man, this is perfect timing! I'm going through the process of learning these techniques on my sim setup. It's been frustrating at times trying to get stuff right, but this helps so much so thank you for this!!
I’m glad I could help! Keep practicing and things will continue to click as your internalize the techniques and make connections about what works best in different corners or tandem situations 💪
Finally an actual indepth video explaining the techniques and how it affects the car and tandem! amazing videooo
I haven’t been posting as much as I’d like to, but everything I do is either a fun drift vlog or in depth technique breakdowns! :)
Your voice sounds kinda like the “how its made” voice
No lie 😂
Couldn’t put my finger on it but I’ve picked up on this too lol. He actually does a great job narrating
The BEST drifting learning vid I ever seen, thank you X-Much !
This is the best video I've seen on left foot braking. I learned sim drifting on touges, in solo, so I didn't even go online in Assetto until a year ago(I've been learning on sims for about four years now though). And left foot braking was just something that I started doing naturally when drifting touges like Happogahara. You slow down for a corner and you notice that the car naturally swings the rear out as a consequence. And by now I consider it to be almost as important as throttle and wheel control. I think of throttle, wheel and brake when used together acting as a way of triangulating the car's position. Imagine the car from overhead: you want to know exactly where it is: so you have three dots that when linked confine the car to a particular position. That's triangulation. If you only have two dots you're not going to be able to confine it to a very precise position. But add a third dot and you can determine where it is with a lot more precision. That's what adding left foot brake to throttle and wheel control does for me. Those three things triangulate the position of the car while drifting.
I was drifting a Tsubaki line lobby yesterday, a very tricky touge with tight corners and roads and a lot of elevation changes, and I was using the brake in some form for pretty much 60-70% of the run. For forcing power over in tight areas where you can't weight-transfer flick the car, for tightening angle for an upcoming corner, for slowing a transition if it's getting a bit wild in too high a gear, for reverse entrying big fast corners, etc. etc. My handbrake(do not buy Fanatec handbrakes BTW - public service information, yw) has been broken since Christmas, and with left foot brake I really don't notice its absence that much.
I don't use clutch anywhere near as much as left ft braking; other people use clutch a lot and I just don't quite understand what they're getting out of it aside from clutch-kicking for maintaining revs. I asked another YT drifter and they got quite angry and defensive because I said it seemed like left foot braking could do all of what the clutch was doing, only with more precision because you have more control over a brake than over a clutch. He said drifters only use the brake when they've made an error and left foot braking is pointless. That's when I left.
Welcome back buddy
Thanks, I’m taking an afternoon off, then jumping into work on the next one! 🤙🏻
Heyy, welcome back!
Still alive, haha 👋🏻
Sweet! I made it into another video at 8:22! Thank you again Ben🤟 this was my first time ever trying to follow from a distance. Your videos gave me the confidence to try my first ever "tandem" and I totally bailed on the last turn by hitting the brakes bc I felt too close lol
That’s the best way to start, I did the same thing when I was learning…try to watch the lead car and also pay attention to everything you normally do, but if you get too close it’s best to just bail and try again.
Eventually you can start working on using handbrake to slow down before you need to bail until you can drift whole laps behind people (without being super close) and then do the same for left foot brake, slowly getting closer as you build more skill 👍🏻
You accelerate slower is great mnemonic. :)) You accelerate slower thus letting your rear catch up and get more oversteer, thus more angle. Quality vid!
2:20 i
5:38
6:49 🚘
Yup, watching it for the 7tth time and still learning something. You really made a great video.
I dont know which video it was but thank you in one of them you explained that you need the headroom to drift which helped me since on my favorite track i was attempting to drift while redlining often leading to me kissing the sidewall. While im not consistent yet it has helped me to succed on most corners and to be more consistent on ones that i could hit but not often
The fact that im watching this video on the bus is too ironic
Finna be drifting the bus 😂😂
I didn't know left foot braking was the more understood technique. It just felt natural to left for because its you can make small and precise adjustments. It just felt like the right thing to do. I would often then get confused and didn't understand why I saw people using only one foot. You're video's definitely helped me understand more about the techniques for drifting. Thank you, You are doing an amazing job making these videos, you do such a good job about braking things down simply. Amazing work.
I appreciate the feedback! My video production schedule has been wrecked recently due to some unexpected health problems, but I still read all my comments, reply when I can, and take note of good ideas. If you have any suggestions, fire away. I hope to get back to editing by December once I recover😅
@@KameTrick Making the effort to not only try to read all your comments, but also respond to them, that is a very admirable trait. I don't know what kind of health problems you're going through, but I wish you good luck, I hope and I pray that you make a full recovery, Kame. Get better soon!
Oh, and I absolutly LOVE your car! what kind of car is it?
@@majestic6idiot it's a 1991 Nissan 240SX. (S13 / 180/200SX are also basically the same car) Mine looks a little different due to aero kit stuff. They're great cars, but any RWD with around 150hp+ and a locking diff has the potential to be a solid drift car to get started with
@@KameTrick Its a beautiful car, thank you for sharing. It's going strait on my dream car list.
This series is exactly what I freakin need! Thank you!
Drifting with sim is soo satisfying highly recommend trying it.
This is soooo good. Thank you!
Glad to help, thanks for the support!
This is a wealth of information that I’ve been needing
Can we get one on slipping the clutch and clutching in, during tandem driving to maintain proximity
Very informative!👍
fantastic video; thank you!
Watching drifters is impressive already, but seeing in detail the techniques they use is astonishing 😮
Absolutely amazing 👏🏾
Might have to fire up AC and give it a go
This is a very helpful video! Thanks!
I'm looking to get a lot of seat time in my miata this summer, I really appreciate these well put together tips, keep up the good work dude!
I absolutely will! Good luck this season 🙌🏻
Haven’t seen ur streams or anything in forever I’m HYPED
I’ve been streaming a bit less to focus on edits like this one (but life got in the way and it’s been over a month 💀)
As for the streams, I’m running an experiment and doing them on twitch for now. I actually have one tonight in about 5 hours 👋🏻
Hope to see you in the premiere tomorrow
This is a fantastic video. Thanks Ben!
Thanks, dude! I put a load of work into it😅💦
Really nice videos and explanation of every technique!i love when you combine sim and irl!!!!thank you for the great job and effort you put in videos!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Great content, delivery style and video examples!
One minor issue is that you're talking about how various inputs affect the G-forces... But in reality there are no G-forces. There's the inertia of the car (that wants to go straight at constant speed and steady rotation if no forces are applied), friction from the tires (which is the primary thing you control with the pedals and the steering wheel) and the load on the suspension (which is the secondary thing you control). What's perceived by the driver as G-forces is just the car trying to carry the driver along with the car (same thing -- the body wants to keep traveling straight at constant speed).
Because of you it made me remember that Drift King Keiichi Tsuchiya’s Old Drift Tutorial man love it
I was SOOO stoked when that came out translated into English on DVD. Bought it straight away and watched it like 5 times before each IRL drift event I’d go to back when I was learning in 2004-05!
Crazy to think that now I speak Japanese and have translated for D1 drivers at USA events, or that I used to live in Japan. Following a dream is wild 🤓
Your vids helped a lot when I first started on the sim!
Thanks for the great content!
Ur videos helped a lot in my journey past 2y and I can drift well now. Thanks!
I’m glad to hear it!! 🎉
I love these episodes please do more !
Best series for learning, thanks, man!
was actually thinking about this the other day. Well timed video :D
Thanks dude! I’ve got more on the way 🤙🏻
Great work and cannot wait to start drift 240sx again.😎😎
Great video! Appreciate you!
Jeez who put the clips together for the editing? Nice work
Great video!
At 4:49, is there a reason that you clutch in while using the foot brake?
Yeah, I was using ebrake with left foot brake at the same time (that clip is slowed down, otherwise I’m not on the brake long enough for the B-roll footage to sync up to what I’m saying 😆
Thank you very much!
Very interesting, I'll try this tomorrow in tandems. Seems, I know how all of this works, but cannot match with tandems unfortunately. I will try the last tip about left foot braking in transitions and this tip with less angle and control of the speed with the brake.
But I have another issue: when I make a transition behind the leader, I jump too inside (go to inner line more than I need) and have less angle. Smaller angle I'll try to fix with left foot brake, but what to do with the lining behind the leader? Probably, this is not a question for a comments section, maybe one day you will decide to make a detailed video about this xD.
What questions are in my head: where to watch and which parts of the leader car should I focus on to stay in good stable tandem? What line can be the most effective to control the situation and be able to stay close? How to handle slower drivers (for example, a leader who runs in super big angles)? The last one I guess is a left foot brake as well, but maybe you have more tips for this.
2:25 no heckin way you were at Sandia speed way!!!! Was that for no coast drift party?! That’s my local track!
It was, yep!
Can you please share your fanatec wheel settings? I’ve been dying to get some good settings. We have the same wheel and you have a lot of seat time in a real car, so I figure your settings are pretty realistic, thank you!
Here are my wheel settings for my Fanatec CSW: FFB 35-50 depending on the car; DRI 0; SPR 120; All other settings are at defaults
Pro tip: Set your brake bias heavily towards the front! I usually run 80/20 at 60% pressure which allows me to push and hold much wider lines. This is especially helpful if you transition early and come in too tight on a corner, because it literally pushes you wider without killing too much speed.
hey kame I was wondering have you ever used your sim on the game car x cause they got your car in the game and I wanted to get your opinion on if the game feels like real life to you and weather real life tuning actually translates to the game or not?
Watching this lying on my bed😅
Can someone explain “angle stall”, why it happens and how to deal with it?
momentum and inertia. if you're going 30mph in a straight line, then rotate 90 degrees, the car will eventually come to a stop because you can only slide so far in that direction. even if you're on the gas, the power is pushing in a different direction compared to the direction the car is sliding. angle stall basically happens when all the 'forward' momentum runs out before you've carried the car across the arc of a turn.
Im lesrning alot thanks!! Me personally i dont think ill ever tandem tho
Glad it’s helping!! And yeah it’s fine to just be a badass solo driver, cheaper too cause your car doesn’t take much damage that way. I was a solo-only driver for about 10 years, and I still do some solo laps, it’s all good 🤙🏻
For anyone who wants a good beginners drift car, which they can daily drive, that is affordable plus reliable... it sounds almost impossible.
But there is the Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT86. These cars are affordable to get, good gas mileage, no turbo, very light, 4 seats 2 doors, low center of gravity, high redline, stock limited slip diff, 200+ hp, and somewhat narrow wheels. All of this means that the car just loves to go sideways, but it is very predictable. All while it is reliable and cheap to run.
Would be good to mention that at the beginning, your left foot treats the brake like a clutch pedal.
I don’t know about yall but I’m here because I’m trying to learn how to drift in CarX drift online…NEW 🆕 WITH THIS SIMULATION DRIFT STUFF!
😅
Man, i love drifting my awd gtr r35 in forza horizon 5 on my controller
I just watch it for the visuals
How much does it cost to maintain this hobby?
Buying and Building the car can be expensive, I won’t guess on used car prices these days but expect to put 5-15K into tuning and aero. But you can break that out over several years!
Annual maintenance is probably under $150.
An actual track day with tires is $300-600 depending on how many tires you use, which is a function of how much power you tuned the car to make, and a big reason I like matsuri cars with only around 300-400whp. You can drive them gentle and only use 1.5-2 sets of tires per event ✌🏻
haha never got the handbrake working on my car. Maybe next season ;)
I feel like this will only make more sense to me when I’m actually practicing with help
You definitely have to try things in the simulator or a real car, and as your understanding and skills improve various parts of this video will “click” for you more. Some of these techniques can be a lot to process, or challenging to visualize if you are still building your foundational knowledge.
People dangling their arms out of the window always makes me think of Def Leopard's drummer 🙄😬😮💨
But superb video
Me watching with my 1991 ford f150 outside 😅
1:03 that’s the kind of crash that killed Dale
The beginning step is to put up the money to build a drift car 😂😂😂😢
Ain’t it the truth!😩 These tips work in good simulators like Assetto Corsa and Live For Speed too, at least!
Just get a miata and weld the dif and get coil overs and you’ll be set
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drifting is for losers. jk its not. i wish i could do this.