If turns out the KH world is actually the fictional one, and those lost souls are humans from reality that cling to their childhood fictional memories. I might cry in existential crisis.
I hope not, that's the same twist from Star Ocean: Til the end of Time. It pissed me off so much that I noped the disc out of my ps2. Then traded the game at gamestop for credit the next day.
@Hudson Bradford Yeah. Vs XIII looked really cool until Square killed it with the mediocrity of 15, so I'd be very hyped if Verum Rex turned into an actual game for us to play
Wait a god damn minute. By versus 13 do they mean the FF cast will fight 13 Norted vessels? They either planned this for a decade or just pulling major bullshits together.
@@straypaper lol no. Final Fantasy vs. XIII is what FFXV started out as. It was Nomura’s idea and was going to be a spin off of the mainline FF series. Due to its development taking too long, though, Square axed him of the project and turned it into the rushed game that was FFXV
They're gonna have to make a CG movie just to explain the mobile games before the next main game. So much casual fans will miss and be confused about. Either that or a VERY thorough recap section because my god.
Man I hope not. I'd really like a final console version, like a Kingdom Hearts Re:Union X. That would be a good, fun way to get the more casual fans caught up.
@@AndrewDeng Agreed. A console version that cuts out most of the filler missions and focuses mostly on the story, all arcs of them (with Ava and co, then ventus and co, then the final). I'd play that, even if still in chibi. Though I would prefer a proper cgi/3d version of the game. I doubt thats going to happen anytime soon though. There are probably tons of plans for new games and media that will get priority. I hope to be wrong. A proper game of that setting would be great.
The reason Kairi probably ended up on Destiny Islands was because of "Coincidence and fate" The Coincidence being that Xehanort planned on throwing her into the void to find a keyblade user, and the Fate being that Aqua's spell would lead Kairi to a LIGHT that would protect her. Sora's light, a light that had already protected someone else before too, Ventus.
And keep in mind, at the time she was launched, riku was already bequeathed. So she went to a future keyblade wielder, and a source of light. Then there's also the fact that ventus' heart was there too which is pure light thanks to xehanort, and he also has a keyblade. So kairi went to 2 keyblades and 2 very strong lights
@@damo there might be a chance that the spirit like star could be the the fortellers that didn't show up in the keyblade graveyard after kingdom hearts 3 and her body is already taken over by the master of masters. And sora will have to fight the master of masters and the other 4 fortellers to get the girl's heart back. Plus that girl like ghost star could be the unknown girl in the ansem reports who might have been that missing forteller but came to the kingdom hearts universe in order to stop the master of masters plans. But was taken over by the master of masters by luxu/zigbar putting the master of masters heart in her like xehanort tried to do to sora in in trying to make sora his 13th vessel.
Dude, remember when it was just 3 kids chilling on Destiny Islands, eating paopu fruits and screwing around. This series just gets more and more complex and confusing. 😂
If Verum Rex does become an actual game, then it could be about traveling to Final Fantasy worlds or other Square-Enix IPs, until you bump into Riku, possibly as a secret boss.
Not sure if this an unpopular opinion or not but I really hope not. I love me some square based worlds, but with protags like Riku Sora or Kairi. I do not want Yozora to become anything more then story and boss character. I dont want him playable because I fear he would replace the established cast. Nomura seems to have a problem letting go of things of the past and him projecting that on Yozara makes me worried he will come to take things over and ruin everything that has been established. If he MUST be playable, I want a verum rex game thats actualy a verum rex game like Sora saw the trailer off with not direct connections to the KH lore and characters. That or I want a DDD type game with him and Riku as temp allies for whatever reason. Either way I am not comfy with Yozora (and his design looking like a more ''cool'' emo version of Riku and having ties to Sora.. he feels gary stu already) as anything other then a possible ally or enemie unless they can include him as a main withoud shoving established characters aside DBZ style. I dont want him to be the vegeta that makes Riku's piccolo redundant. KH already suffers from not making good use of it's cast of beloved and established characters (days trio, Namine, BBS trio. KAIRI!.. they could all be utelised further in meaningfull and interesting ways). Nomura seems to have lost interest in them and is focused on his shiny new toys. That usualy creates terrible story telling (case in point KH3). So yeah.. please do not ley Yozora become the ''cool'' Sora or Riku that gets to do KH awesomeness but with cooler worlds.. No. If you must, use Riku (and KAIRI!) for that and have Yozora pop up every once in a while. Or give Yozora a spinn off game that does not follow the KH formula of world traveling and make him a main of a spin off branch, leaving the guardians of light to stay relevant in the main vein of the franchise.
@@amberanime this, exactly this is why I hate the youzora stuff, o feel that Nomoura just wants to turn kingdom hearts into Vs 13 2.0... And I honestly wouldn't mind Vs 13 2.0, if he actually wrapped up kingdom hearts in a satisfying way opposed to trying to shoehorn it into kingdom hearts and having the kingdom hearts cast effectly replaced by the Vs 13 facismiles, I'm going to put my full opinion on MoM here as it elaborates on my points about the beloved KH chairicters being shafted as you said, but be warned, this is pretty vicious as this game angered me with it's story, more than KH3 even My overall thoughts: I'm glad I brought MoM for the music and not the story, because what little there is is absolutely atroticus and highlights the series's biggest problems in a glaring way, the Kairi shading from Nomoura and the fact Nomoura seemingly just cannot write forwards, at all and develop the personalities of the charicters further, and this enraged me more than the mess that was KH3, Kairi's treatment is once again disgusting, as while it's true this isn't a Kairi Game, she still gets shafted really hard here, bot only does she lose to Xehanort in the cutscene ((understandable to a degree, and she put up a great fight)) but she is LITERALLY replaced with Sora as she gets up for the final battle and you play the final battle as Sora, robbing Kairi of the chance to show her strengh and face her fears. They didn't need to have Sora outright replace Her, they could of just had an apperation of him materialize behind her, just like he did when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in RE:mind, doesn't help that KH3 turned Aqua into a punching bag and forced her to rely on Sora, I get that Sora is the main charicter, but come on, let the other charicters do something, especially Kairi. And I don't see much point in Kairi traning with Aqua, all the other promises of Kairi becoming stronger and helping have been nothing more than bait to entice us to buy the next game. She was put in the equivilant of the hyperbolic time chamber, and still came out almost useless, I don't see how traning with Aqua is going to help her. And while this has been the case since the end of KH2, the fact Nomoura and co. Did effectively nothing with the charicters during the year they were searching for Sora kinda shows he cannot write forwards at all or develop the charicters or for some reason, doesn't want to, he only goes Backwards for the sake of twists and mysteries. As someone else said: "Killed the bad guys of KH 1 and 2? Better Go back in time and make a bigger bad behind everything" "Not enough charicters to fit arbitrary number requirements? We'll Go back in time and clone more Xehanorts and Soras," "Killed the organisation? Let's Go back in time and make them more relevant and revive them" "Killed Xehanort? Let's back in time to make a bigger bad who orchestrated Xehanort orchestrating the entire thing" And not only that, but they threw away several perfect opportunites to actually move forwards with the charicters here and develop their bonds of friendship... I know they said there wouldn't be much story in MoM, but it would of been nIce to have had a cutscene after the recap of each game showing what the chairicters had been up to and how their relationships developed during the year Kairi was asleep, Especially the sea salt and wayfinder trio's who have been seperated apart for so long, I'd of loved to see if they had managed to reconnect and how their friendship developed as they searched for Sora. as well show and expand on their own attempts to find Sora opposed to the fairy god mother just coming in with a Deus ex machina exposition dump at the end about where Sora is and what they need to do. Rendering MDG's trips though the Disney worlds and TVA's trip though the realm of darkness a completly pointless waste of time and sad waste of potental to develop their bonds of friendship and basically kick them out of the plot again... Shafting of Kairi and most of thr other gaurdians of lights, Nomoura's wasting opportunities to do charicter development by moving things forward via deus ex machina, promising Kairi will be stronger for the next gane.. all we need is a vauge and unexplained concept used for sequal bait and then that's everything wrong with the writing and series story together in one package in my opinion ((and we kinda have that with the whole unreality thing, how many alternate plains of existance do we need? We have light, dark, in between, nothingness, data, dream, unchained, sleeping and now fiction/ unreality)) The team should of put more effort into KH3 and ending the series there with MoM acting as a musical journey to round of the series, they should of just dropped the the fortellers, book of prophecies and MoM and kept them relevant to union X and dark road only. And instead just moved on to the FF Vs 13 2.0 they seem to desperately want to make instead instead of trying to turn kingdom hearts into Vs 13 2.0 And I want to add it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful.since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hyper up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something.
In a humorous sense, kh characters beating the heck out of Exdeath with boco is kinda cool. With exdeath in the meantime calling out his dissidia 012 catchphrases. Hahaha Or ultimecia for that matter. Or even Kefka.
Honestly, I'm not sure what people were expecting. Did y'all really think that Kairi was going to single-handedly demolish the main antagonist of the Dark Seeker arc? Frankly, I was impressed that she held up as well as she did. Edit: After sitting on the ending for a few hours now, I have more to say. For the people mad about her not going with Riku, consider that Mickey was also forced to stay because it was too dangerous. Donald and Goofy aren't going anywhere either (which I'm thankful for because they'd be horrific in Quadratum's artstyle), so it wasn't unreasonable for her to stay as well. If anything, Kairi was wise in exercising a pretty solid degree of self-restraint by realizing that she couldn't mount a successful rescue operation (unlike Sora in KH3, who kept trying to go save Aqua). At first I was thinking that there wasn't any net gain or net loss for Kairi's characterization, but the more I think about it, the more pleased I am. Quadratum is quite literally uncharted territory, so it makes me happy to see that the characters are acting rationally and treating it as such.
@@Celebi50 Well with that logic, how was she supposed to lose to the big bad without ending up as a "damsel in distress"? Losing a fight and needing help doesn't automatically turn you into a damsel in distress.
@@eternalpain7762 The problem is just that people have been wanting a proper Kairi game for so long. Then she got shafted to a music game. Then in said music game she doesn't even get to beat her own final boss by herself. You argue that against Xehanort that makes sense. I'd agree if not for the following issues with that. 1) thats not actualy the real xehanort but a memory version of kairi's. 2) Sora managed to defeat Ansem seeker of darkness when he was just a kid with no proper training what so ever. And right after Riku and Sora whipe the floor with adult experienced org members in castle oblivion. Going realistic with Kairi doesn't work if the franchise doesn't go realistic with the boys either. 3) Nomura could just as easely have created a final boss that Kairi could beat by herself. (and honestly I feel a memory version of somebody should qualify as beatable) Then further frustrations arise when Sora once again saves the day even when he is missing. It's like since KH3 characters are not allowed to defeat bosses withoud Sora's help anymore. It's not just Kairi that had this problem but all guardians of light have been mistreated since KH3. And the trent went on here. As a human being I do think Kairi made a mature and realistic choice. However this is kingdom hearts. Reality has no place here. People just want to see Kairi being done more justice of the bad ass kind like the boys have. People want to see her go on adventures like the boys, defeat her own bosses like the boys etc. if Kairi had been done justice before this game I doubt people would have been nearly as upset with her being shoved aside for the boys AGAIN. And thats exactly what happens. Sora saves the day, Riku gets to go on the epic adventure. Kairi goes being a responsible girl and ''train'' again. Considering the last time she left to train that resulted in nothing (not even screentime of her and Lea training) so people are sceptic her training with Aqua will give us any real substance to look foreward too. It feels like she is being shoved to background again. Of course we hope we're wrong and perhaps the next game is one starring Aqua and Kairi on their own epic adventure that results in Kairi learning the power of wakening and her going after Riku to join his side and be awesome together (because god knows those 2 need more character interaction thats not soley about their shared love for Sora omg. These friends didn't hug or touch in a friendly way even once.. Riku was leaving to a new dangerous world, and no hugs, no charms, no nothing. From either of them. It's to depressing for words.)
damo279: "It's interesting that she remembers Sora despite him rewriting the events of his own death..." Nomura: "Oh shit" damo279: "...which suggests the final world may be temporarily immune." Nomura: "Ah yes, that's it!"
@@alejandromolina7270 Nah, Dark Soul lore is pretty easy to grasp but an not so easy timeline of events Kingdom heart have a pretty straightforward timeline, even with all the time jumping, but a nonsensical lore to the extreme
Oh my god, I remember a while ago when people were speculating that everything that happens in kingdom hearts is just a dream SORA is having, and when it ends, he wakes up he’s gonna go downstairs and eat his dinner. This stuff actually makes me think that could be true, all this talk about Unreality, and when SORA originally said “is any of this real or not?”
by my speculation this alternate reality is where the MoM runs off to when he "disappears" The Lost Masters Ira, Aced, Envi, and Gula after the keyblade War were sent to this alternate reality that Sora is currently in as well. Yen sid said the Lost Masters knew about the alternate reality and knew how to go between them. When Ira said to Luxu "did you summon us back?" Luxu summoned them back from the alternate reality back to the KH one.
That actually kind of makes sense. MoM uses time shenanigans to set up the series with making the keyblades & unions (probably coming from the future) for whatever reason, and he's kicked out of reality bc he broke a law of nature. He then sets up No-Name & Luxu to ensure whatever he wants to happen in the future goes off without a hitch.
Yes, that's exactly what happened we've literally already seen the Master of Masters in that world. Except that I doubt the foretellers or even he can travel back and forward freely, I feel like the Master returning to set xehanort on his path was a pretty special case. It's literally what my next video is gonna be about so stay tuned!
I just still don't get it though... What was the point of it all for M.O.M .... All these centuries of manipulation better lead up to something worth seeing.
Id love a Riku focused game on restoring Stellas body. Also, hopefully this is a great way to introduce Final Fantasy games as visitable worlds in future KH games.
When he said Quadratum was latin for SQUARE and started talking about the wards of Tokyo, it made me look up a map of the wards of Tokyo. I was surprised to find that Shibuya and Shinjku are two of four wards that form a sort of SQUARE in the map of the wardsTokyo. The other two being Minato and Chiyoda. It may not be much but I thought that was quite interesting!
Let's not forget the fact Yozora's model has chocobos and Nobody symbols on his outfit. This is gonna sound crazy, but is it possible that Yozora in-universe is a Final Fantasy character who hasn't debuted in a Final Fantasy game, whose been turned into a Nobody and thrusted into the Kingdom Hearts world? It's no secret that Verum Rex and the characters within are the remnants of Final Fantasy Versus 13, but how far is Nomura going to go with this? Are they going to be treated as Kingdom Hearts characters and nothing more? Is the series gonna get meta somehow?
@@ziegander Who knows? It's possible the Nobody symbol is a minor detail the designer/animator put on without much thought, but it could mean something in the future too?
isnt that shibuya the one from twewy? since it has the 104(as opposed to the real one which is 109). it would also be a link to the guys who showed up in ddd as well
@@marcosdheleno I think it's been confirmed that Sora's not in the same Shibuya already though. (In Kingdom Hearts, it's not even called Shibuya, it's called "Quadratum.") So it's likely just Nomura re-using the design so he can get away with putting real life Japan into the game.
@@dailydelphox what if, quadratum isnt the world, but the universe? kingdom hearts is set in the disney(esque) universe, but what if quadratum is the square equivalent? a universe filled with square-based worlds? imagine a world based on chrono trigger, or another based on freaking tobal...
Random thoughts: - Quadratum also brings to mind the word “quadratura” : “Illusionistic ceiling painting, which includes the techniques of perspective di sotto in sù and quadratura...to create the illusion of three-dimensional space on an otherwise two-dimensional or mostly flat ceiling surface above the viewer. It is frequently used to create the illusion an open sky...” Sounds like a certain secret boss fight to me... - What are the chances that one of the nameless stars we encounter in the final world is the heart of an upper or lower class men we meet in KHDR? - Good catch regrading Riku’s pillar of light and Sora’s keyhole. It gives the impression that the Final world is truly final as it’s, in essence, the outer surface of the universe. Thus hearts gather here before they permanently leave the universe for good. Last time I recall seeing a pillar of light like Riku’s was in the Verum Rex commercial. It emanated from Stella and pierced the sky in a similar manner. I hate this series. I love this series.
We also know that these characters are supposed to be remnants of what was FFvs13, right? But have you noticed that on Yozora's outfit, despite being a KH character, he has chocobos on his outfit? Not only that, but nobody symbols too. So is Yozora a nobody of somebody? He DID mention that he doesn't normally look like the way he does. Not only that, but if he doesn't normally look the way he does, why is it that in the Verum Rex trailer, despite being in Quadratum, he looks just as he does when you fight him? Was his appearance changed prior to when that trailer takes place?
@@dailydelphox Yozora also sports crossed keyblades on his shoulders, and plaid (of course) embellishments on his clothing that are covered in squares. I feel you're right in pointing out these costuming elements as important, Delaney. Especially taking into consideration Nomura's deep love of fashion and streetwear. I'm of the mind that the clothing in this series does some serious heavy lifting story wise and am surprised some TH-cam fashionista hasn't delved into this area of the series. Ironically, the clothing in this series says absolutely nothing about what these characters would like to wear...it's all about who they are in the narrative.
Since Quadratum means square it makes sense that it is on the "other side" as the side we have been on so far has been made up primarily of Disney worlds and the Kingdom Hearts games are made by Disney and Square Enix
Whatever they do, I hope they write in a way to make the "Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee" relevant to this "fictional world". I want it to be revealed that they too were from that world, but their memories of their time there have been suppressed and forgotten, which led to them accepting Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden as their residence.
The city of Quadratum or rather the world of fiction is so god damn versus 13, if i recall correctly versus 13 was supposed to be set in the real world. So the world of fiction is not really fiction, but rather reality and the KH world is actually the world of fiction. It would fit well into the super meta convoluted story of the KH series.
Plot twist: Sora becomes a master in Kingdom Hearts IV but loses the title of master again so he has to get it back in the expansion DLC "Kingdom Hearts 4: ReMastered."
I find it contrived that Fairy Godmother can just bring herself, Kairi, and Riku to the Final World just like that. But I did remember some things about that place. According to Chirithy, the Final World rests between the afterlife(ie Kingdom Hearts) and sleep. If we were to take Fairy Godmother’s power over dreams at face value, then she is powerful enough to travel through dreams until she reached the Final World. Having Kairi along who had dreams/memories of that place would make it easier to find it. I wish we get a proper explanation but oh well.
@@marcoa6319 I think that is the explanation. She rules over dreams and with that comes sleep and all sleeping worlds. She can go to and from these worlds if they are within her range of dreams.
@@devilovesdevil Doesn’t explain why she didn’t help in DDD in the first place. It could easily be a retcon or you need someone who’ve been their before in the dreams to use them as a conduit for travel.
I personally see Melody of Memory as the epilogue to the Xehanort saga, as well as the game that finishes setting up the next saga (KH III base game has moments that feel like the next saga is being set up). Imagine if the next saga has Riku and other characters travelling to Final Fantasy Worlds (with Verum Rex being one of the “main” worlds), and since the world order doesn’t really exist for FF characters, imagine stuff like Zidane and Bartz in the world of FF6, or Squall and a now grown up Tidus helping out in the search for Sora by going to FF15, and maybe finally continuing the Cloud vs Sephiroth sub-story. And if Maleficent is the main Disney antagonist, have Garland (FF1 villain) be the main FF antagonist.
The kh universe is far bigger than what most people expect. The "worlds" we have been visiting are already universe sized which means there is already a multiverse in kingdom hearts now it's another multiverse that's being introduced
@@turnerbrawley4715 A hyperverse? A metaverse? An Ultraverse? Consecutive layers of reality where one of the layers is composed entirely of cashews? Anything could happen!
@@RoyalStarlord look up how strong is sora by Seth the programmer and how strong xehanort is by Web Cam parrot they go into much better detail than I can
@@turnerbrawley4715 True. There are multiple Earth's in the kh world. Same planet, different aspects. Kh worlds aren't really worlds, they are dimensions.
This whole “fiction world” talk fits in well with YMX’s “this world is real” regarding the Grid in DDD. Also would be interesting if it had any connection to the stuff Joshua was talking about
Agreed on Joshua. He seems to know more then he lets on and if you know him from his actual game .. well he could be made to fit into the story with a larger role rather easely. I don't think they will. But I hope so because I want to see those characters again, and see characters like Joshua and Luxu and/or MOM interact. Would be an interesting conversation I think..
I ws really happy to see the Fairy Godmother get a substantial part at the end. I wish Disney would give SE more freedom with their characters, they work best like this.
When you remember that old interview Nomura, before he was taken out of FF Versus XIII, saying how the parallel between Sora and Noctis is important to the story and all, Noctis Caelum meaning Night Sky (as now Yozora also means Night Sky) and how he was planning for KH e Versus XIII to connect in some way, we can see how he planned this move from the start! The part of the interview at Japan Expo: Finaland & FFDream: You’ve created a lot of characters for the Final Fantasy series. What’s your favorite character between all those you’ve created ? Tetsuya Nomura: Hmm if I had to choose a favorite character, I would say Sora, and Noctis. Why them? Of course Sora, I’ve been together with him for more than ten years now, this is the first time i’ve been with a character for such a long time, so he’s very very special for me and he’s been adopted by Disney also, so he’s a very very good boy. More like a good son actually. Also there is Noctis, he hasn’t been in front of you, I mean moving etc yet in a real gameplay but he will soon, in the future. Do you know the name Sora mean the “sky”, in japanese and Noctis, his family name is Caelum which mean sky as well so basically, Noctis mean “night sky”, so they are kind of complete opposites to each other. There is a reason why I named these characters as opposites. Noctis is kind of like my latest boy, or latest son and I expect him to be more clever than Cloud.
I still womder if the Master of Masters has more to do with this game than we think. The game having the same initials(MoM) seems a little too suspiscious and coincidental.
I have looked to Japanese websites about any spoilers of MoM, and till so far I have not seen any mention of him anywhere. So maybe for this time it is just a coincidence after all. Which is not to say that we will never see him again. With the story of the Black box i am almost certain that he, or at least his story, will play an important role in KH IV (at least, if they will still call it that)
@@KAvanAlten i think theres a connection, we just arent able to see it yet. Something that will come back around later and make so much sense. But since we dont know anything, we dont know what to look for :)
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 technically. Hes been doing that the entire time though. If he never gave the foretellers roles and told them there wpuld be a traitor, there would also be no keyblade war. He caused everything from beggining to end, and he knew exactly how it would all go.
@@crashboredom2 Yes. However, I am speaking more Meta. I think Mom is setting up the game Young Xehanort and Eraqus will be playing, and on a metafiction level, the games we will be playing. He needs Sora to be in "Square" so he can "play" him. Its a fiction he is standing in, with a goal he wrote.
Summary: Kairi went into her memories and “discovered” that world between light and darkness existed, a “fictional world” as told by Ansem the Wise. While Riku was searching for Sora, he had a vision where he saw a city with many skyscrapers. With the knowledge of both Riku and Kairi, the two of them and the godmother travel to the final world. Here the find a star/spirit that was connected to Sora. She tells them of a city that she knew that fits the description. Riku learns of this and decides to go on his own.
I actually wonder if the girl's name would be the Japanese word for "star" instead of the Latin, "Stella" (just like how Noctis Caelum was switched to Yozora). Google translate tells me it's "Hoshi"
@@gustavju4686 i mean, it could be... but there's not enough evidence for me to think that her name has anything to do with Sora tbh. Still, it's a possibility
No "fictional" worlds... but worlds of "fantasy?" That the portal to is from the last world. Synonym "final." I could be looking to much into this or i could be looking exactly right for kh lore lol.
Okay okay okay. So if this is the course of the next game, then wouldn’t the bad ending of Sora vs. Yozora be the canon one? If Sora wins he goes back in the final world. When he loses, he gets trapped in that crystal structure, meaning he stays in Quadratum.
Yeah from what you say this is has to be it iam starting to think when you beat yozora it’s more like a node to just seeing more secret lore and that’s it nothing more nothing less kinda like examples finishing side quest in kingdoms hearts games to get extra lore of an ending that’s how iam taking this of you beat yozora congratulations here’s more lore for ya simple as that.
I think the next spinoff we’re gonna play as yazora ether as during the trials he mentioned or after he beat sora and try’s to find a way to unfreeze sora (also as a cool super boss ideas we could fight the guardians of light since they prob think he’s a bad guy)
Quadratum is going to be a very important subject for KH4 or another Kingdom Hearts IP. Plus, I just feel like there is a very strong connection between Sora and Yazora. In fact, the connection is quite literal at this point- near same name, same design, yeah... Maybe Riku will fight Yazora and free Sora's heart from each other or something, not sure.
The possibilities are endless! So many Final Fantasy Worlds to choose from. Can everyone imagine Sora meeting Tidus in Zanarkand, or maybe going to Spira with him! Bumping into Auron again. I'M SUPER EXCITED!
Can you imagine Sora’s reaction to Tidus & Auron if they meet near the climax of FF10? Just like “Tidus is a dream? So technically not real... And Auron is a Ghost? But then how’d you end up with Hades?”, while pulling Tidus in disbelief and just being like “Actually yeah that makes sense with Auron”
Imagine all the FF charaters from kingdom hearts that dissapeared like Zack Cloud Auron were all in the same world as sora is right now. We would have an endgame lol
i wouldnt doubt her being the next MC of the franchise, with an arc all of her own. she has everything to be the next lead, an objective, nowhere near strong enough, and a special ability that is unique to herself.
Some thoughts of mine: - I know we saw Shibuya and Shinjuku, but perhaps in Verum Rex's world, they're simply merged and recognized as one bigger city called Quadratum. Hrm...are there two other districts of Tokyo that could be part of Quadratum? - We may have seen a few fictional worlds up to this point - namely, Hundred-Acre Wood, the Other Twilight Town, and Game Central Station (including Niceland, Cy-Bug Sector, and Candy Kingdom, of course). Maybe even the Scala ad Caelum that was generated from Xehanort's memories through his portal. - Did Yozora and the star lose their bodies in a similar way that Luxu claimed semblances over the ages? If so, they may have been replaced by people with a similar power. Actually, what's become of Yozora's two comrades, Magia and Aegis? Also...how many Foretellers was it that answered Luxu's call, again? Four of them? - We still don't know who the three remaining New Seven Hearts are...but maybe we will within the next two games?
I have issues with KH MoM, I’m 50/50% about it, I feel like we are in the situation similar to Recoded. We go through old games just to get juicy lore at the very end of the game, sucks that this is only the 3rd game out of 5 or more. I love the story, but couldn’t Nomura just add this to remind, idk man. I’ve already accept it but I’m not surprised since we’ve got 7 games, 3 movie cutscenes, 2 mobile games, and now a Rhythm game. I just hope the next idea isn’t a waste of time but not at the same time since it is important, I just don’t want anymore games that have the player go through old games like how Recoded was ever again but that is just my opinion and everyone has the right to have their each and very own opinion.
@Vipergaming23 Those have to be the worst counter examples😅 Last I remembered, neither of those games emphasized story unlike MoM..they were just rhythm games, nothing more or less than that..& where was it said that I had any expectations? But continue pretending to know it all
nomura literally pushed off the idea of a rhythm game until disney got wind of it and pushed him into making it. they're pretty hungry for that sweet sweet kh revenue
Ya know you're not wrong i like the fact i can go back and listen to every kh soundtrack(disappointed that we don't get the . tracks since some are actually the best versions of the regular ones) and lore but the fact we must go back to every god damn world again and have 80% of the game be recaps of the old games is just mind numbing
What if the Kingdom Hearts series for Disney + is the adventure of Riku in Quadratum, but it is Live-Action and the world of fiction is our world? I actually could see something like this...
@@authoreyes101 Well there were at least some rumors three months ago. Although the Investor Day did not reveal anything. So it was only a wild guess. Don't get your hopes up. : I
i REALLLYY REALLLY hope they explain how xehanort found out,in dark road.a dn they need to WRAP UP the chi/union cross story already so they can focurs on dark road and others
What if the twist is that KH is the fictional world in this scenario, while Quadratum is the real world? Maybe the reason Sora can't speak is because he's on the other side of the screen...
6:30 I never thought of that! 😄 Although it make Sense that she remembers Sora despite the Time Travel! 😂 I mean Chirithy remembered Sora in Remind even though he changed the Timeline! It make sense! 😂
@@MiloKuroshiro Riku says there can’t be 2 keyblade masters and at that point master meant a keyblade owner as far as we knew. Also, throughout KH1 Sora is referred to as the keyblades chosen one
@@Scrabble12 i heard that was a translation error. Think instead of master it was supposed to say keyblade hero yet even still they meant master over that specific keyblade not master of all keys.
@@Scrabble12 1. that was a localization change. He most likely meant "keyblade wielders" 2. Riku was also a naive 15 year old brat who acted like he knew everything
I've seen some discussion about the MOM how much he planned about Sora/Riku going to Quadratum, and how much he is involved in the ending cutscenes of the game. Here's one for ya: The memory of Xehanort still wields the gazing eye when he encounters Kairi in the Final World. If the memory of the keyblade suffices to give the MOM visions of the future (which is a bit murky to be fair), it's not outside the realm of possibilities that he deliberately planned for Kairi (and the gang) to find out about the other side of reality through this.
Lol, Man..the only good explanation i came up with so far on how Sora was able to do what he did an Kh mom is the Paopu Fruit which Kairi an Sora destinies or intertwined they are part of each other's lives now ...🤷🏽♂️
I just hope kh4 will still have the three heroes (sora Donald and goofy) adventure the disney worlds again. Kingdom hearts isn’t kingdom hearts without your three lovable trio! Please NOMURA! That’s what got me into this game...
Man I've given up all hope trying to ascertain the true Kingdom Hearts story. Thanks for the videos, I love the games but the convoluted stories make me want to cry.
I would have loved a Kieri perspective game, where we see scenes the tie into KH1 and KH2 to KH3. And can we all agree that Xion is just Sora and Kairi's love child like serious that's how she was born
Maybe Sora and Yozora are the same person but from different universes, just like Stella is to Kari but in their own world.maybe Sora must have traveled to an alternative dimension for breaking his own world’s laws. The video is soooo detailed and I love it. I’m So gonna subscribe to you❤️
@@JustLou08 That'd be cool, and MoM's motive is to take over SE in that "fictional" world to make Verum Rex world (FF13vs) a reality lmao. That'd be so petty and funny I'd love to see it.
Feels like he just wants to turn KH into FF Vs 13 2.0 and I hate that, Here's the thing though, I wouldn't mind FF Vs 13 2.0, if he actually gave the kingdom hearts series a satisfying conclusion instead of trying to forcefully meld the two together.
All I could think of when Yen Sid was talking about the ancient masters and traveling to different worlds was how Ven might fit in. If Ven is able to regain some of his past memories from his time as a Dandelion, he might be a huge help. Because unless the Foretellers left clues behind in the destroyed real world, all the Dandelion leaders assumed that they perished in the war, and all the other dandelions lost their memory of said war ever happening.
Almost sounds like they want to get out of the Disney and Final Fantasy settings. Can't really think that using these properties is practical or the best way to tell the story anymore.
I recommend rewatching Another Side, Another Story secret ending from KH1, it talks about the Third Key and quadratum in that. I still think Kairi is from the other side (fiction); she cant just be an old princess of heart by chance
Just wanted to say how much I love your KH videos. Square should totally hire you for localization. Heck, Nomura should hire you because you seem to be able to keep this almost as straight as he can! Any thoughts on MoM (melody of memories) having a connection with MoM (master of masters)?
Funny thing is the KH world that we know is mostlikely the true world of 'unreality.' A world beyond light and darkness is a world not influenced by 'magic.' Which would explain Yozoras fighting tools and explains why the mysterious star is considered 'special.' (Since we saw her use magic in the verum rex trailer.)
I honestly think that the star that they talked to is actually Ava, the missing Foreteller. One of the reports in Kingdom Hearts 3 implies that Ava was locked away in the experimentation area of Radiant Garden, so it’s possible that when the place was raided by the Heartless, she somehow ended up being sent in Quadratum. She could also be the girl in the Verum Rex because we’ve never seen what she looks like under her hood and mask.
@Vipergaming23 lmao she literally transformed into Sora during her big moment and then Riku told her not to come along. Wasn't she supposed to be training so she could fight in KH3? Wonder how that worked out 🤔
@Vipergaming23 i know she didn't literally transform into sora, the point is symbolic. when she needs to fight, she receives aid from Sora and takes on his appearance and moves. Basically, she needs to become a man in order to win the fight. Not everything is literal.
@Vipergaming23 Riku is not a woman, so that wasn't a gender thing. Also, Riku had already been a playable character in two games and had been established as a certified badass. This, however, was Kairi's first time actually having the plot focus on her and she relived Sora's memories, which, fine, I get it's a rhythm game using reused assets. But at least give her something to do during her ONE moment to shine after you got hammered for making Kairi absolutely useless and dependent on Sora in KH3 after she was like, "next time, I'll protect you."
You know what another word for fiction is? Fantasy. Plus the fact that Quadratum = Square, leads me to believe the next game is going to be more focused on Final Fantasy & Square Enix properties insteadof Disney ones. This also opens the door up for other properties too. Things that Disney owns that aren’t Disney properties. We can totally have Star Wars or Marvel or even Fox properties in KH now.
They just had to make it all so much more damn complicated and complex to the point that trying to understand everything from the beginning will give you a serious migraine.
Damo279!!!! You are the single most epic person after Everglow for obvious reasons. Thank you so much for being in depth and brief at the same time. I appreciate you!!!!
Ooohhh maybe that's why the "fictional world" Yozora is in can be considered a Fantasy world and the final world in fictional realm would be Final Fantasy. Wait, are FF characters in KH universe real? Or there will be fictional/fantasy version of those characters like how somebody vs nobody vs heartless versions a character can have. The possibilities. Maybe the original FF characters designs we know in FF universe will be the fictional version. Maybe their roles in the KH series will be more important in future somehow like a guide into the fictional world, maybe even how the Q&A at the start of KH1 by tidus trio affects Sora's growth rate would be a new plot twist revelation.
So interesting idea I had when I first saw the secret ending for Kh3 is that they are going to a square enix world instead of a disney one. We've never traveled to any world within square enix and with the main building they show in the post credit scene being the 104 skyscraper in Shibuya much like in The World Ends With You (TWEWY) which has the 104 skycraper in Shibuya being the central area for the game instead of our worlds Shibuya having the 109 skyscraper
@@BarachielGaming that is complete and utter bullshit. This games story has been retconned to confusion and the story continues to evolve with Nomura randomly adding new shit he has pulled from his ass and trying to tie things together by the thinnest of threads.
Maybe memories World would also be how they used Master Xehnort as a portal and teleported to Scala Ad Calam, Using Kairi, and visiting different worlds through her Maybe the nameless star, to Quadadrum, so maybe the Power Of Waking is also looking at memories too
be so cool for them to find sora but it’s like a dark aqua in the realm of darkness type of moment. just always wanted to see sora take a turn like that since he’s always so upbeat and light hearted
![The Entire Story of Kingdom Hearts Union Cross [KHUx] Explained](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jJ0J7mo5_J8/mqdefault.jpg)
Sora: *goes to the real world*
Next KH villain: Depression
Underrated comment ngl
I mean that's kimda whta the unversed are already lmao
Secret boss fight vickaten and melatonin
Don't forget anxiety and seasonal allergies.
Endwalker moment
If turns out the KH world is actually the fictional one, and those lost souls are humans from reality that cling to their childhood fictional memories. I might cry in existential crisis.
That would be 4th wall breaking meta sht😭
I hope not, that's the same twist from Star Ocean: Til the end of Time. It pissed me off so much that I noped the disc out of my ps2. Then traded the game at gamestop for credit the next day.
Oh, DanganRonpa V3? hahab
I was hoping that was the case once I heard Ansem talking about it.
I mean if Union X is anything to go off from, Daybreak town post-keyblade war was in Wreck it Ralphs world.
The game basically is saying that Sora is in a World of Final Fantasy. I can't believe they went there. They essentially used a pun to tease us for 4.
"A world of fiction"
A WORLD OF FANTASY!!!!
Does that mean he'll meet Lann and Reyn?
Isn’t that all this game does sequel bait, sequel bait, over and over
@@shawnboahene5231 They learned well from Marvel, even copying stuff like "phases". xD
I hope they write in a way to return the Final Fantasy characters to this "World of Fiction"
Nomura is hell bent on making his “FF Vs. 13” project a reality....
Indeed so, and he seems willing to turn kingdom hearts into FF Vs 13 2.0 to do it if that's what it takes...
@Hudson Bradford Yeah. Vs XIII looked really cool until Square killed it with the mediocrity of 15, so I'd be very hyped if Verum Rex turned into an actual game for us to play
Well if I remember, FF vs 13 is a Fantasy based on reality or something like that
Wait a god damn minute. By versus 13 do they mean the FF cast will fight 13 Norted vessels? They either planned this for a decade or just pulling major bullshits together.
@@straypaper lol no. Final Fantasy vs. XIII is what FFXV started out as. It was Nomura’s idea and was going to be a spin off of the mainline FF series. Due to its development taking too long, though, Square axed him of the project and turned it into the rushed game that was FFXV
They're gonna have to make a CG movie just to explain the mobile games before the next main game. So much casual fans will miss and be confused about. Either that or a VERY thorough recap section because my god.
They probably just youtube it and end up on Damo's channel anyway lol cause the movie will probably just confuse them more
It woulda been cool if MoM had tracks from Unchained X, union cross, and dark road so that kairi could narrate.
would love some more back cover movies
Man I hope not. I'd really like a final console version, like a Kingdom Hearts Re:Union X. That would be a good, fun way to get the more casual fans caught up.
@@AndrewDeng Agreed. A console version that cuts out most of the filler missions and focuses mostly on the story, all arcs of them (with Ava and co, then ventus and co, then the final). I'd play that, even if still in chibi. Though I would prefer a proper cgi/3d version of the game. I doubt thats going to happen anytime soon though. There are probably tons of plans for new games and media that will get priority. I hope to be wrong. A proper game of that setting would be great.
It's funny how insanely powerful the fairygodmother is to effortlessly open a portal between realities lmao
MoM confirmed 🤔
@@Lee-zd4zythe way I laughed when I read that i shot water out my nose
"This is a fantasy based on reality" - FF versus XIII Trailer 2006
i hope nomura ends this before me dying of confusion
Not likely
Bye bye
Too late
The reason Kairi probably ended up on Destiny Islands was because of "Coincidence and fate"
The Coincidence being that Xehanort planned on throwing her into the void to find a keyblade user, and the Fate being that Aqua's spell would lead Kairi to a LIGHT that would protect her. Sora's light, a light that had already protected someone else before too, Ventus.
And keep in mind, at the time she was launched, riku was already bequeathed. So she went to a future keyblade wielder, and a source of light. Then there's also the fact that ventus' heart was there too which is pure light thanks to xehanort, and he also has a keyblade. So kairi went to 2 keyblades and 2 very strong lights
I love how you just had to mention Mickey getting football-tackled lol
It's crucial lore that cannot be overlooked
@@damo the importance of this scene will be explained in Kingdom Hearts 3.05 collection bundle
@@damo there might be a chance that the spirit like star could be the the fortellers that didn't show up in the keyblade graveyard after kingdom hearts 3 and her body is already taken over by the master of masters. And sora will have to fight the master of masters and the other 4 fortellers to get the girl's heart back. Plus that girl like ghost star could be the unknown girl in the ansem reports who might have been that missing forteller but came to the kingdom hearts universe in order to stop the master of masters plans. But was taken over by the master of masters by luxu/zigbar putting the master of masters heart in her like xehanort tried to do to sora in in trying to make sora his 13th vessel.
@@damo lmaoo you’re goated bro
Dude, remember when it was just 3 kids chilling on Destiny Islands, eating paopu fruits and screwing around. This series just gets more and more complex and confusing. 😂
That happened in literally the first 30 mins, after that it was crazy so idk why you are so surprised
yeah KH has always been complicated, even in KH1 you had all the princesses of light stuff and darkness.
One of the reasons i can’t stop picking up new games. The crazy narrative DEMANDS my attention 😭
Yeah, at this point you can tell square is basically making it up as they go along
Complex and confusing is looooong past, we are now in compete chaos
If Verum Rex does become an actual game, then it could be about traveling to Final Fantasy worlds or other Square-Enix IPs, until you bump into Riku, possibly as a secret boss.
Not sure if this an unpopular opinion or not but I really hope not. I love me some square based worlds, but with protags like Riku Sora or Kairi. I do not want Yozora to become anything more then story and boss character. I dont want him playable because I fear he would replace the established cast. Nomura seems to have a problem letting go of things of the past and him projecting that on Yozara makes me worried he will come to take things over and ruin everything that has been established. If he MUST be playable, I want a verum rex game thats actualy a verum rex game like Sora saw the trailer off with not direct connections to the KH lore and characters. That or I want a DDD type game with him and Riku as temp allies for whatever reason. Either way I am not comfy with Yozora (and his design looking like a more ''cool'' emo version of Riku and having ties to Sora.. he feels gary stu already) as anything other then a possible ally or enemie unless they can include him as a main withoud shoving established characters aside DBZ style. I dont want him to be the vegeta that makes Riku's piccolo redundant. KH already suffers from not making good use of it's cast of beloved and established characters (days trio, Namine, BBS trio. KAIRI!.. they could all be utelised further in meaningfull and interesting ways). Nomura seems to have lost interest in them and is focused on his shiny new toys. That usualy creates terrible story telling (case in point KH3). So yeah.. please do not ley Yozora become the ''cool'' Sora or Riku that gets to do KH awesomeness but with cooler worlds.. No. If you must, use Riku (and KAIRI!) for that and have Yozora pop up every once in a while. Or give Yozora a spinn off game that does not follow the KH formula of world traveling and make him a main of a spin off branch, leaving the guardians of light to stay relevant in the main vein of the franchise.
If so he needs to be broken
@@amberanime this, exactly this is why I hate the youzora stuff, o feel that Nomoura just wants to turn kingdom hearts into Vs 13 2.0...
And I honestly wouldn't mind Vs 13 2.0, if he actually wrapped up kingdom hearts in a satisfying way opposed to trying to shoehorn it into kingdom hearts and having the kingdom hearts cast effectly replaced by the Vs 13 facismiles,
I'm going to put my full opinion on MoM here as it elaborates on my points about the beloved KH chairicters being shafted as you said,
but be warned, this is pretty vicious as this game angered me with it's story, more than KH3 even
My overall thoughts:
I'm glad I brought MoM for the music and not the story, because what little there is is absolutely atroticus and highlights the series's biggest problems in a glaring way, the Kairi shading from Nomoura and the fact Nomoura seemingly just cannot write forwards, at all and develop the personalities of the charicters further, and this enraged me more than the mess that was KH3,
Kairi's treatment is once again disgusting, as while it's true this isn't a Kairi Game, she still gets shafted really hard here, bot only does she lose to Xehanort in the cutscene ((understandable to a degree, and she put up a great fight)) but she is LITERALLY replaced with Sora as she gets up for the final battle and you play the final battle as Sora, robbing Kairi of the chance to show her strengh and face her fears. They didn't need to have Sora outright replace Her, they could of just had an apperation of him materialize behind her, just like he did when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in RE:mind, doesn't help that KH3 turned Aqua into a punching bag and forced her to rely on Sora, I get that Sora is the main charicter, but come on, let the other charicters do something, especially Kairi. And I don't see much point in Kairi traning with Aqua, all the other promises of Kairi becoming stronger and helping have been nothing more than bait to entice us to buy the next game. She was put in the equivilant of the hyperbolic time chamber, and still came out almost useless, I don't see how traning with Aqua is going to help her.
And while this has been the case since the end of KH2, the fact Nomoura and co. Did effectively nothing with the charicters during the year they were searching for Sora kinda shows he cannot write forwards at all or develop the charicters or for some reason, doesn't want to, he only goes Backwards for the sake of twists and mysteries. As someone else said:
"Killed the bad guys of KH 1 and 2? Better Go back in time and make a bigger bad behind everything"
"Not enough charicters to fit arbitrary number requirements? We'll Go back in time and clone more Xehanorts and Soras,"
"Killed the organisation? Let's Go back in time and make them more relevant and revive them"
"Killed Xehanort? Let's back in time to make a bigger bad who orchestrated Xehanort orchestrating the entire thing"
And not only that, but they threw away several perfect opportunites to actually move forwards with the charicters here and develop their bonds of friendship...
I know they said there wouldn't be much story in MoM, but it would of been nIce to have had a cutscene after the recap of each game showing what the chairicters had been up to and how their relationships developed during the year Kairi was asleep, Especially the sea salt and wayfinder trio's who have been seperated apart for so long, I'd of loved to see if they had managed to reconnect and how their friendship developed as they searched for Sora. as well show and expand on their own attempts to find Sora opposed to the fairy god mother just coming in with a Deus ex machina exposition dump at the end about where Sora is and what they need to do. Rendering MDG's trips though the Disney worlds and TVA's trip though the realm of darkness a completly pointless waste of time and sad waste of potental to develop their bonds of friendship and basically kick them out of the plot again...
Shafting of Kairi and most of thr other gaurdians of lights, Nomoura's wasting opportunities to do charicter development by moving things forward via deus ex machina, promising Kairi will be stronger for the next gane.. all we need is a vauge and unexplained concept used for sequal bait and then that's everything wrong with the writing and series story together in one package in my opinion ((and we kinda have that with the whole unreality thing, how many alternate plains of existance do we need? We have light, dark, in between, nothingness, data, dream, unchained, sleeping and now fiction/ unreality))
The team should of put more effort into KH3 and ending the series there with MoM acting as a musical journey to round of the series, they should of just dropped the the fortellers, book of prophecies and MoM and kept them relevant to union X and dark road only. And instead just moved on to the FF Vs 13 2.0 they seem to desperately want to make instead instead of trying to turn kingdom hearts into Vs 13 2.0
And I want to add it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful.since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hyper up every new release
Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game!
Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game!
Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game!
Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something.
@@amberanime I hope the story becomes memorable and worth the trip no matter the outcome.
In a humorous sense, kh characters beating the heck out of Exdeath with boco is kinda cool. With exdeath in the meantime calling out his dissidia 012 catchphrases. Hahaha Or ultimecia for that matter. Or even Kefka.
Honestly, I'm not sure what people were expecting. Did y'all really think that Kairi was going to single-handedly demolish the main antagonist of the Dark Seeker arc? Frankly, I was impressed that she held up as well as she did.
Edit: After sitting on the ending for a few hours now, I have more to say. For the people mad about her not going with Riku, consider that Mickey was also forced to stay because it was too dangerous. Donald and Goofy aren't going anywhere either (which I'm thankful for because they'd be horrific in Quadratum's artstyle), so it wasn't unreasonable for her to stay as well. If anything, Kairi was wise in exercising a pretty solid degree of self-restraint by realizing that she couldn't mount a successful rescue operation (unlike Sora in KH3, who kept trying to go save Aqua). At first I was thinking that there wasn't any net gain or net loss for Kairi's characterization, but the more I think about it, the more pleased I am. Quadratum is quite literally uncharted territory, so it makes me happy to see that the characters are acting rationally and treating it as such.
@Vipergaming23 facts. Can't believe people thought Kairi was going to beat him.
Not beating the Big Bad singlehandedly is expected, but being reduced to the damsel in distress once again is not a gain for her character at all.
@@Celebi50 Well with that logic, how was she supposed to lose to the big bad without ending up as a "damsel in distress"? Losing a fight and needing help doesn't automatically turn you into a damsel in distress.
@Vipergaming23 I mean the fairy godmother kind of made the situation be like he had to go there and then hence why she brought all 3 together.
@@eternalpain7762 The problem is just that people have been wanting a proper Kairi game for so long. Then she got shafted to a music game. Then in said music game she doesn't even get to beat her own final boss by herself. You argue that against Xehanort that makes sense. I'd agree if not for the following issues with that. 1) thats not actualy the real xehanort but a memory version of kairi's. 2) Sora managed to defeat Ansem seeker of darkness when he was just a kid with no proper training what so ever. And right after Riku and Sora whipe the floor with adult experienced org members in castle oblivion. Going realistic with Kairi doesn't work if the franchise doesn't go realistic with the boys either. 3) Nomura could just as easely have created a final boss that Kairi could beat by herself. (and honestly I feel a memory version of somebody should qualify as beatable) Then further frustrations arise when Sora once again saves the day even when he is missing. It's like since KH3 characters are not allowed to defeat bosses withoud Sora's help anymore. It's not just Kairi that had this problem but all guardians of light have been mistreated since KH3. And the trent went on here. As a human being I do think Kairi made a mature and realistic choice. However this is kingdom hearts. Reality has no place here. People just want to see Kairi being done more justice of the bad ass kind like the boys have. People want to see her go on adventures like the boys, defeat her own bosses like the boys etc. if Kairi had been done justice before this game I doubt people would have been nearly as upset with her being shoved aside for the boys AGAIN. And thats exactly what happens. Sora saves the day, Riku gets to go on the epic adventure. Kairi goes being a responsible girl and ''train'' again. Considering the last time she left to train that resulted in nothing (not even screentime of her and Lea training) so people are sceptic her training with Aqua will give us any real substance to look foreward too. It feels like she is being shoved to background again. Of course we hope we're wrong and perhaps the next game is one starring Aqua and Kairi on their own epic adventure that results in Kairi learning the power of wakening and her going after Riku to join his side and be awesome together (because god knows those 2 need more character interaction thats not soley about their shared love for Sora omg. These friends didn't hug or touch in a friendly way even once.. Riku was leaving to a new dangerous world, and no hugs, no charms, no nothing. From either of them. It's to depressing for words.)
damo279: "It's interesting that she remembers Sora despite him rewriting the events of his own death..."
Nomura: "Oh shit"
damo279: "...which suggests the final world may be temporarily immune."
Nomura: "Ah yes, that's it!"
nah, We'll probably will get 3 games only to explain it, but in the end making it even more confusing
This is like Dark Souls lore
To be fair, namine remembered too
@@alejandromolina7270 Nah, Dark Soul lore is pretty easy to grasp but an not so easy timeline of events
Kingdom heart have a pretty straightforward timeline, even with all the time jumping, but a nonsensical lore to the extreme
So according to Ansem The Wise, The Kingdom Hearts world is fictional to us, and our world is fictional to their world 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Zomrife pfft true 🤣 you done goofed Sora 🤣
Yell yea, wouldn't you imagine a world without heartless and nobodies if that's what you had to deal with day in and day out
He is very wise.
@@alialatrach9788 indeed xD
I can imagine it to be a twist that it might be the other way around (ie. Matter of perspective)
I can't the only one who noticed Yozora's theme playing when Stella mentions Quadratum
You're not, I noticed it too!
@@phantom-X2086 Dude it blew my mind
And it won't get an official release on an OST for a few years at least :(
i started freaking out lol
Yup
Oh my god, I remember a while ago when people were speculating that everything that happens in kingdom hearts is just a dream SORA is having, and when it ends, he wakes up he’s gonna go downstairs and eat his dinner. This stuff actually makes me think that could be true, all this talk about Unreality, and when SORA originally said “is any of this real or not?”
"Previously on Kingdom Hearts"
"I'll be reading Jimmy Cricket's timeline Journal,all about Kingdom Hearts."
Sincerely , Kairi.
by my speculation this alternate reality is where the MoM runs off to when he "disappears"
The Lost Masters Ira, Aced, Envi, and Gula after the keyblade War were sent to this alternate reality that Sora is currently in as well. Yen sid said the Lost Masters knew about the alternate reality and knew how to go between them.
When Ira said to Luxu "did you summon us back?" Luxu summoned them back from the alternate reality back to the KH one.
Well the Master of Masters was in Shibuya so that is possible.
That actually kind of makes sense. MoM uses time shenanigans to set up the series with making the keyblades & unions (probably coming from the future) for whatever reason, and he's kicked out of reality bc he broke a law of nature. He then sets up No-Name & Luxu to ensure whatever he wants to happen in the future goes off without a hitch.
Yes, that's exactly what happened we've literally already seen the Master of Masters in that world. Except that I doubt the foretellers or even he can travel back and forward freely, I feel like the Master returning to set xehanort on his path was a pretty special case. It's literally what my next video is gonna be about so stay tuned!
I just still don't get it though... What was the point of it all for M.O.M .... All these centuries of manipulation better lead up to something worth seeing.
@@AIRiddleRoom obtain kingdom hearts maybe?
Id love a Riku focused game on restoring Stellas body. Also, hopefully this is a great way to introduce Final Fantasy games as visitable worlds in future KH games.
at that point just play any Final Fantasy game
When he said Quadratum was latin for SQUARE and started talking about the wards of Tokyo, it made me look up a map of the wards of Tokyo. I was surprised to find that Shibuya and Shinjku are two of four wards that form a sort of SQUARE in the map of the wardsTokyo. The other two being Minato and Chiyoda. It may not be much but I thought that was quite interesting!
Square Enix’s headquarters is also in Shinjuku, so that could be even more direct for Quad.
@@gchu149 final boss ceo of square enix
@@eddinormalguy100 nah the secret boss in kh4 will be tetsuya nomura himself after sora goes to the square enix headquarters
Let's not forget the fact Yozora's model has chocobos and Nobody symbols on his outfit. This is gonna sound crazy, but is it possible that Yozora in-universe is a Final Fantasy character who hasn't debuted in a Final Fantasy game, whose been turned into a Nobody and thrusted into the Kingdom Hearts world? It's no secret that Verum Rex and the characters within are the remnants of Final Fantasy Versus 13, but how far is Nomura going to go with this? Are they going to be treated as Kingdom Hearts characters and nothing more? Is the series gonna get meta somehow?
Yozura is Noctis' Nobody?
@@ziegander Who knows? It's possible the Nobody symbol is a minor detail the designer/animator put on without much thought, but it could mean something in the future too?
isnt that shibuya the one from twewy? since it has the 104(as opposed to the real one which is 109). it would also be a link to the guys who showed up in ddd as well
@@marcosdheleno I think it's been confirmed that Sora's not in the same Shibuya already though. (In Kingdom Hearts, it's not even called Shibuya, it's called "Quadratum.") So it's likely just Nomura re-using the design so he can get away with putting real life Japan into the game.
@@dailydelphox what if, quadratum isnt the world, but the universe? kingdom hearts is set in the disney(esque) universe, but what if quadratum is the square equivalent? a universe filled with square-based worlds?
imagine a world based on chrono trigger, or another based on freaking tobal...
Random thoughts:
- Quadratum also brings to mind the word “quadratura” :
“Illusionistic ceiling painting, which includes the techniques of perspective di sotto in sù and quadratura...to create the illusion of three-dimensional space on an otherwise two-dimensional or mostly flat ceiling surface above the viewer. It is frequently used to create the illusion an open sky...”
Sounds like a certain secret boss fight to me...
- What are the chances that one of the nameless stars we encounter in the final world is the heart of an upper or lower class men we meet in KHDR?
- Good catch regrading Riku’s pillar of light and Sora’s keyhole. It gives the impression that the Final world is truly final as it’s, in essence, the outer surface of the universe. Thus hearts gather here before they permanently leave the universe for good.
Last time I recall seeing a pillar of light like Riku’s was in the Verum Rex commercial. It emanated from Stella and pierced the sky in a similar manner.
I hate this series.
I love this series.
We also know that these characters are supposed to be remnants of what was FFvs13, right? But have you noticed that on Yozora's outfit, despite being a KH character, he has chocobos on his outfit? Not only that, but nobody symbols too. So is Yozora a nobody of somebody? He DID mention that he doesn't normally look like the way he does.
Not only that, but if he doesn't normally look the way he does, why is it that in the Verum Rex trailer, despite being in Quadratum, he looks just as he does when you fight him? Was his appearance changed prior to when that trailer takes place?
@@dailydelphox Yozora also sports crossed keyblades on his shoulders, and plaid (of course) embellishments on his clothing that are covered in squares.
I feel you're right in pointing out these costuming elements as important, Delaney. Especially taking into consideration Nomura's deep love of fashion and streetwear. I'm of the mind that the clothing in this series does some serious heavy lifting story wise and am surprised some TH-cam fashionista hasn't delved into this area of the series. Ironically, the clothing in this series says absolutely nothing about what these characters would like to wear...it's all about who they are in the narrative.
they're going into the squarenixverse, wonder who will they meet
Could yozura be riku's nobody? We know he became a heartless in a sense with ansem, but never saw his nobody?
@@abidance6444 Maaaaybe? I kinda doubt it though. It sounds like he's from Quadratum, and I'm not sure how Riku's Nobody would make it that far.
Going to be funny if they come out and say "your world(KH) is actually a video game series that somehow gained sentience".
Unreality? Well. I've been having these weird thoughts lately. Like is any of this REAL or NOT? None of this makes sense to me...Until now.
Since Quadratum means square it makes sense that it is on the "other side" as the side we have been on so far has been made up primarily of Disney worlds and the Kingdom Hearts games are made by Disney and Square Enix
Weren't all ff characters from another world? In kh1 aerith or someone says they followed ansem. Then in other games they are all in radiant garden
so the next one will be primarly squareenix worlds with disney characters sometimes
@@EduardoTorelly How freaking cool would it be if all of Final Fantasy's empires were united by the Galactic Empire?
Square Enix: How many games do you want to explain the KH universe?
Nomura: Yes
And each of them drop of quality
Whatever they do, I hope they write in a way to make the "Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee" relevant to this "fictional world". I want it to be revealed that they too were from that world, but their memories of their time there have been suppressed and forgotten, which led to them accepting Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden as their residence.
The city of Quadratum or rather the world of fiction is so god damn versus 13, if i recall correctly versus 13 was supposed to be set in the real world. So the world of fiction is not really fiction, but rather reality and the KH world is actually the world of fiction. It would fit well into the super meta convoluted story of the KH series.
All about perspective and it’s complex not convoluted
And by the end of kingdom hearts 4 Sora is still not a master
Let it go
I dont think its gonna really matter in the world hes in honestly
Plot twist: Sora becomes a master in Kingdom Hearts IV but loses the title of master again so he has to get it back in the expansion DLC "Kingdom Hearts 4: ReMastered."
don't think he gives a fuck given he can fuck up anybody in kh
By kh 4 he's dead
I'm just glad the voice actor for Xehanort actually tried to sound a bit more like Nimoy this time.
While I doubt it'll ever be confirmed, I get the feeling that the Fairy Godmother is secretly part of a pantheon of Disney gods.
Lol I can see this, Yen sid and Merlin too. Keep an eye out for blue wearing magic folks in disney. (pinocchio's blue fairy as well maybe)
@@amberanime Merlin, maybe. The Blue Fairy, definitely. Yensid, he already has a backstory as a retired keyblade master so I doubt it.
I find it contrived that Fairy Godmother can just bring herself, Kairi, and Riku to the Final World just like that. But I did remember some things about that place.
According to Chirithy, the Final World rests between the afterlife(ie Kingdom Hearts) and sleep. If we were to take Fairy Godmother’s power over dreams at face value, then she is powerful enough to travel through dreams until she reached the Final World. Having Kairi along who had dreams/memories of that place would make it easier to find it.
I wish we get a proper explanation but oh well.
@@marcoa6319 I think that is the explanation. She rules over dreams and with that comes sleep and all sleeping worlds. She can go to and from these worlds if they are within her range of dreams.
@@devilovesdevil Doesn’t explain why she didn’t help in DDD in the first place.
It could easily be a retcon or you need someone who’ve been their before in the dreams to use them as a conduit for travel.
I personally see Melody of Memory as the epilogue to the Xehanort saga, as well as the game that finishes setting up the next saga (KH III base game has moments that feel like the next saga is being set up).
Imagine if the next saga has Riku and other characters travelling to Final Fantasy Worlds (with Verum Rex being one of the “main” worlds), and since the world order doesn’t really exist for FF characters, imagine stuff like Zidane and Bartz in the world of FF6, or Squall and a now grown up Tidus helping out in the search for Sora by going to FF15, and maybe finally continuing the Cloud vs Sephiroth sub-story. And if Maleficent is the main Disney antagonist, have Garland (FF1 villain) be the main FF antagonist.
Next we will introduce "multiuniverse".
The kh universe is far bigger than what most people expect. The "worlds" we have been visiting are already universe sized which means there is already a multiverse in kingdom hearts now it's another multiverse that's being introduced
@@turnerbrawley4715 A hyperverse? A metaverse? An Ultraverse? Consecutive layers of reality where one of the layers is composed entirely of cashews? Anything could happen!
@@RoyalStarlord look up how strong is sora by Seth the programmer and how strong xehanort is by Web Cam parrot they go into much better detail than I can
@@RoyalStarlord proper term is Omniverse
@@turnerbrawley4715 True. There are multiple Earth's in the kh world. Same planet, different aspects. Kh worlds aren't really worlds, they are dimensions.
This whole “fiction world” talk fits in well with YMX’s “this world is real” regarding the Grid in DDD. Also would be interesting if it had any connection to the stuff Joshua was talking about
Agreed on Joshua. He seems to know more then he lets on and if you know him from his actual game .. well he could be made to fit into the story with a larger role rather easely. I don't think they will. But I hope so because I want to see those characters again, and see characters like Joshua and Luxu and/or MOM interact. Would be an interesting conversation I think..
I ws really happy to see the Fairy Godmother get a substantial part at the end. I wish Disney would give SE more freedom with their characters, they work best like this.
When you remember that old interview Nomura, before he was taken out of FF Versus XIII, saying how the parallel between Sora and Noctis is important to the story and all, Noctis Caelum meaning Night Sky (as now Yozora also means Night Sky) and how he was planning for KH e Versus XIII to connect in some way, we can see how he planned this move from the start!
The part of the interview at Japan Expo:
Finaland & FFDream: You’ve created a lot of characters for the Final Fantasy series. What’s your favorite character between all those you’ve created ?
Tetsuya Nomura: Hmm if I had to choose a favorite character, I would say Sora, and Noctis. Why them? Of course Sora, I’ve been together with him for more than ten years now, this is the first time i’ve been with a character for such a long time, so he’s very very special for me and he’s been adopted by Disney also, so he’s a very very good boy. More like a good son actually.
Also there is Noctis, he hasn’t been in front of you, I mean moving etc yet in a real gameplay but he will soon, in the future.
Do you know the name Sora mean the “sky”, in japanese and Noctis, his family name is Caelum which mean sky as well so basically, Noctis mean “night sky”, so they are kind of complete opposites to each other. There is a reason why I named these characters as opposites. Noctis is kind of like my latest boy, or latest son and I expect him to be more clever than Cloud.
Lol maybe we'll find Cloud and Sephiroth in the fictional world since we haven't seen them ever since KH2.
You might be on to something chief
Oh this is a great comment
Yeah they did ascend into the sky Similar to Riku on his way to the fictional world.
That’s how they ended up in FF7 Remake 😳
@@PacoTheeTacoo bruh facts lol
I still womder if the Master of Masters has more to do with this game than we think. The game having the same initials(MoM) seems a little too suspiscious and coincidental.
I have looked to Japanese websites about any spoilers of MoM, and till so far I have not seen any mention of him anywhere. So maybe for this time it is just a coincidence after all. Which is not to say that we will never see him again. With the story of the Black box i am almost certain that he, or at least his story, will play an important role in KH IV (at least, if they will still call it that)
@@KAvanAlten i think theres a connection, we just arent able to see it yet. Something that will come back around later and make so much sense. But since we dont know anything, we dont know what to look for :)
@@crashboredom2 Mom is manipulating everyone into his "new game". Setting up the pieces.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 technically. Hes been doing that the entire time though. If he never gave the foretellers roles and told them there wpuld be a traitor, there would also be no keyblade war. He caused everything from beggining to end, and he knew exactly how it would all go.
@@crashboredom2 Yes. However, I am speaking more Meta. I think Mom is setting up the game Young Xehanort and Eraqus will be playing, and on a metafiction level, the games we will be playing. He needs Sora to be in "Square" so he can "play" him. Its a fiction he is standing in, with a goal he wrote.
I feel like they could have given the other reality a better name than “Unreality” or “Fiction”.
Like... fantasy lol
Hearts, heartless. Somebody, nobody. Light, dark. Reality, unreality. They tend to keep things pretty simple, haha
I thought it was pretty cool.
@@crashboredom2 and clean
@@crashboredom2 Imagine using ''keep things pretty simple'' as a way to describe anything in KH. I agree with you btw but still.
Damo- the Alt Schwift X of KH fandom 🤩
Please don't stop lore-ing!
Summary: Kairi went into her memories and “discovered” that world between light and darkness existed, a “fictional world” as told by Ansem the Wise.
While Riku was searching for Sora, he had a vision where he saw a city with many skyscrapers. With the knowledge of both Riku and Kairi, the two of them and the godmother travel to the final world.
Here the find a star/spirit that was connected to Sora. She tells them of a city that she knew that fits the description.
Riku learns of this and decides to go on his own.
I actually wonder if the girl's name would be the Japanese word for "star" instead of the Latin, "Stella" (just like how Noctis Caelum was switched to Yozora). Google translate tells me it's "Hoshi"
Maybe her name is Hoshizora (Starry Sky) with the nickname Sora.
@@gustavju4686 i mean, it could be... but there's not enough evidence for me to think that her name has anything to do with Sora tbh. Still, it's a possibility
When we get to riku's game, if we dont see "the world is square" somewhere in the game, I'm going be dissappointed.
Would be a nice reference to Final Fantasy VI
@@zackfair6203 Yeah but also, I think it was squaresoft's motto or tagline back then. Does anyone know?
Minecraftia.
@@Mysticgamer YES.
Lol “the pieces are falling together so cleanly” lmao this story, i don’t think so lol
My Boi!!! Back at it again the day after MOM releases helping us make sense of it.
No "fictional" worlds... but worlds of "fantasy?" That the portal to is from the last world. Synonym "final."
I could be looking to much into this or i could be looking exactly right for kh lore lol.
Okay okay okay. So if this is the course of the next game, then wouldn’t the bad ending of Sora vs. Yozora be the canon one? If Sora wins he goes back in the final world. When he loses, he gets trapped in that crystal structure, meaning he stays in Quadratum.
That’s what I was thinking 😂
Good thing I only get the Canon ending
Yeah from what you say this is has to be it iam starting to think when you beat yozora it’s more like a node to just seeing more secret lore and that’s it nothing more nothing less kinda like examples finishing side quest in kingdoms hearts games to get extra lore of an ending that’s how iam taking this of you beat yozora congratulations here’s more lore for ya simple as that.
I think the next spinoff we’re gonna play as yazora ether as during the trials he mentioned or after he beat sora and try’s to find a way to unfreeze sora (also as a cool super boss ideas we could fight the guardians of light since they prob think he’s a bad guy)
Quadratum is going to be a very important subject for KH4 or another Kingdom Hearts IP. Plus, I just feel like there is a very strong connection between Sora and Yazora. In fact, the connection is quite literal at this point- near same name, same design, yeah... Maybe Riku will fight Yazora and free Sora's heart from each other or something, not sure.
Wait, wait, wait! Darkness, Light, Dreams, and Data all make sense now! WOO! What a time to be alive.
The possibilities are endless! So many Final Fantasy Worlds to choose from. Can everyone imagine Sora meeting Tidus in Zanarkand, or maybe going to Spira with him! Bumping into Auron again. I'M SUPER EXCITED!
Can you imagine Sora’s reaction to Tidus & Auron if they meet near the climax of FF10? Just like “Tidus is a dream? So technically not real... And Auron is a Ghost? But then how’d you end up with Hades?”, while pulling Tidus in disbelief and just being like “Actually yeah that makes sense with Auron”
Imagine all the FF charaters from kingdom hearts that dissapeared like Zack Cloud Auron were all in the same world as sora is right now. We would have an endgame lol
The amount of word gymnastics their lines were doing in order to not use the word 'FANTASY' lmao
The way Riku teleports away reminds me of the Wonder Trade in some Pokémon Games. Are we sure Riku is being sent to the right fictional universe?
Plot twist the entire kh plot is a bad trip yozura is experiencing after dropping some major acid
19 years to see Kairi finally doing something . But this what the hell . They tease to show Kairi was going help Sora to fight the 13 darkness.
That was last game mate. U behind?
@@ma.2089 I haven't played remind or the mobile game . I pick the wrong KH game to stop at .
I mean...she saved Sora 3 times or something. So just didn’t use a keyblade but her light to save Sora.
i wouldnt doubt her being the next MC of the franchise, with an arc all of her own. she has everything to be the next lead, an objective, nowhere near strong enough, and a special ability that is unique to herself.
@@saxenartkind of lazy if you ask me
that moment when you realize fucking Rex from toy story already played through the next game apparently because he even recognizes him lmfao
I love Kingdom Hearts so much
Some thoughts of mine:
- I know we saw Shibuya and Shinjuku, but perhaps in Verum Rex's world, they're simply merged and recognized as one bigger city called Quadratum. Hrm...are there two other districts of Tokyo that could be part of Quadratum?
- We may have seen a few fictional worlds up to this point - namely, Hundred-Acre Wood, the Other Twilight Town, and Game Central Station (including Niceland, Cy-Bug Sector, and Candy Kingdom, of course). Maybe even the Scala ad Caelum that was generated from Xehanort's memories through his portal.
- Did Yozora and the star lose their bodies in a similar way that Luxu claimed semblances over the ages? If so, they may have been replaced by people with a similar power. Actually, what's become of Yozora's two comrades, Magia and Aegis? Also...how many Foretellers was it that answered Luxu's call, again? Four of them?
- We still don't know who the three remaining New Seven Hearts are...but maybe we will within the next two games?
I have issues with KH MoM, I’m 50/50% about it, I feel like we are in the situation similar to Recoded. We go through old games just to get juicy lore at the very end of the game, sucks that this is only the 3rd game out of 5 or more. I love the story, but couldn’t Nomura just add this to remind, idk man. I’ve already accept it but I’m not surprised since we’ve got 7 games, 3 movie cutscenes, 2 mobile games, and now a Rhythm game. I just hope the next idea isn’t a waste of time but not at the same time since it is important, I just don’t want anymore games that have the player go through old games like how Recoded was ever again but that is just my opinion and everyone has the right to have their each and very own opinion.
Your take is synonymous to pretty much everyone's feelings. This was just another desperate cash grab.
@Vipergaming23 Those have to be the worst counter examples😅
Last I remembered, neither of those games emphasized story unlike MoM..they were just rhythm games, nothing more or less than that..& where was it said that I had any expectations? But continue pretending to know it all
nomura literally pushed off the idea of a rhythm game until disney got wind of it and pushed him into making it. they're pretty hungry for that sweet sweet kh revenue
And I'm ok with that. MoM is just a excuse to have a fun rhythm game, and coded originally was just a fun way to put the franchise on mobile phones.
Ya know you're not wrong i like the fact i can go back and listen to every kh soundtrack(disappointed that we don't get the . tracks since some are actually the best versions of the regular ones) and lore but the fact we must go back to every god damn world again and have 80% of the game be recaps of the old games is just mind numbing
I really enjoyed this explanation and I love that you imply the possibility of Kairi becoming a Master I think it would be interesting to see
Kairi is trash in fighting would be lame if everyone can get a keyblade now
What if the Kingdom Hearts series for Disney + is the adventure of Riku in Quadratum, but it is Live-Action and the world of fiction is our world?
I actually could see something like this...
There is (or will be) a disney+ KH series? Where did you hear this (because this is WILD)?
@@authoreyes101 Well there were at least some rumors three months ago. Although the Investor Day did not reveal anything. So it was only a wild guess. Don't get your hopes up. : I
@@mistercapcrime7002 I see 😔
i REALLLYY REALLLY hope they explain how xehanort found out,in dark road.a dn they need to WRAP UP the chi/union cross story already so they can focurs on dark road and others
What if the twist is that KH is the fictional world in this scenario, while Quadratum is the real world? Maybe the reason Sora can't speak is because he's on the other side of the screen...
What if this is what the "I've been having these weird thoughts lately... Like, is any of this for real... or not?" quote trying to say?!
Maybe both worlds are fictional on each side.
Oops.
I wonder what the wreak it Ralph world is then
Danganronpa v3.... OMFG HAHA
Its 2022, a few weeks ater the announcement of KH4, and the girl in that star (and the 3rd key) is Strelitzia. And we finally get a look at Quadratum.
6:30 I never thought of that! 😄
Although it make Sense that she remembers Sora despite the Time Travel! 😂
I mean Chirithy remembered Sora in Remind even though he changed the Timeline! It make sense! 😂
Even in death sora protected bae
Banished not dead, but still he protecc
Remember back when we thought there was and could only ever be one keyblade lol The good ol days
That was never something said in any game. The first game has literally 3 keyblades on it
@@MiloKuroshiro Riku says there can’t be 2 keyblade masters and at that point master meant a keyblade owner as far as we knew. Also, throughout KH1 Sora is referred to as the keyblades chosen one
@@Scrabble12 i heard that was a translation error. Think instead of master it was supposed to say keyblade hero yet even still they meant master over that specific keyblade not master of all keys.
@@Scrabble12
1. that was a localization change. He most likely meant "keyblade wielders"
2. Riku was also a naive 15 year old brat who acted like he knew everything
@@Scrabble12 yeah I remember riku saying that but then I also remember Mickey having one at the end of the game... so 🤷♂️.
I've seen some discussion about the MOM how much he planned about Sora/Riku going to Quadratum, and how much he is involved in the ending cutscenes of the game. Here's one for ya: The memory of Xehanort still wields the gazing eye when he encounters Kairi in the Final World. If the memory of the keyblade suffices to give the MOM visions of the future (which is a bit murky to be fair), it's not outside the realm of possibilities that he deliberately planned for Kairi (and the gang) to find out about the other side of reality through this.
Lol, Man..the only good explanation i came up with so far on how Sora was able to do what he did an Kh mom is the Paopu Fruit which Kairi an Sora destinies or intertwined they are part of each other's lives now ...🤷🏽♂️
I just hope kh4 will still have the three heroes (sora Donald and goofy) adventure the disney worlds again. Kingdom hearts isn’t kingdom hearts without your three lovable trio! Please NOMURA! That’s what got me into this game...
"Kairi attacks the old bastard" kkkkk
If Square doesnt make Verum Rex, or some type of Duo/trio gameplay loop of yozoras path to this point they are criminally throwing
I literally had to restart this video 19 times cause I got so lost.
what if we were in disney universe and now sora and riku are in square enix universe, where we will find final fantasy worlds and all
Man I've given up all hope trying to ascertain the true Kingdom Hearts story. Thanks for the videos, I love the games but the convoluted stories make me want to cry.
I would have loved a Kieri perspective game, where we see scenes the tie into KH1 and KH2 to KH3.
And can we all agree that Xion is just Sora and Kairi's love child like serious that's how she was born
Riku was already in Quadratum, through his "fictional" and "not real" dream.
Maybe Sora and Yozora are the same person but from different universes, just like Stella is to Kari but in their own world.maybe Sora must have traveled to an alternative dimension for breaking his own world’s laws. The video is soooo detailed and I love it. I’m So gonna subscribe to you❤️
Final fantasy versus 13 is in the unreality and we are going to quadratum(square) enix to go fight. Nomura really is a salty man indeed
We shall fight the ceo if we must XD
I thought about that too! XD
It'd be pretty hilarious if MoM reveals his face to look exactly like Nomura's.
@@JustLou08 That'd be cool, and MoM's motive is to take over SE in that "fictional" world to make Verum Rex world (FF13vs) a reality lmao. That'd be so petty and funny I'd love to see it.
Feels like he just wants to turn KH into FF Vs 13 2.0 and I hate that,
Here's the thing though, I wouldn't mind FF Vs 13 2.0, if he actually gave the kingdom hearts series a satisfying conclusion instead of trying to forcefully meld the two together.
All I could think of when Yen Sid was talking about the ancient masters and traveling to different worlds was how Ven might fit in. If Ven is able to regain some of his past memories from his time as a Dandelion, he might be a huge help. Because unless the Foretellers left clues behind in the destroyed real world, all the Dandelion leaders assumed that they perished in the war, and all the other dandelions lost their memory of said war ever happening.
Almost sounds like they want to get out of the Disney and Final Fantasy settings. Can't really think that using these properties is practical or the best way to tell the story anymore.
I recommend rewatching Another Side, Another Story secret ending from KH1, it talks about the Third Key and quadratum in that. I still think Kairi is from the other side (fiction); she cant just be an old princess of heart by chance
Just wanted to say how much I love your KH videos. Square should totally hire you for localization. Heck, Nomura should hire you because you seem to be able to keep this almost as straight as he can! Any thoughts on MoM (melody of memories) having a connection with MoM (master of masters)?
Funny thing is the KH world that we know is mostlikely the true world of 'unreality.'
A world beyond light and darkness is a world not influenced by 'magic.' Which would explain Yozoras fighting tools and explains why the mysterious star is considered 'special.' (Since we saw her use magic in the verum rex trailer.)
Yozora is being possessed by MoM I'm calling it now
But he’s literally there! How does that work?!
I honestly think that the star that they talked to is actually Ava, the missing Foreteller. One of the reports in Kingdom Hearts 3 implies that Ava was locked away in the experimentation area of Radiant Garden, so it’s possible that when the place was raided by the Heartless, she somehow ended up being sent in Quadratum. She could also be the girl in the Verum Rex because we’ve never seen what she looks like under her hood and mask.
I know this is two years late, but if it's Ava who's the "he" she's waiting for?
Here's MoM explained: Nomura is on crack and hates Kairi so much he made another game just to shaft her at the last second. Thanks for playing!
@Vipergaming23 I mean Aqua gotten shafted a bit too back in KH3, but we'll see come KH#....damn I forgot the last # we were at😅
@Vipergaming23 lmao she literally transformed into Sora during her big moment and then Riku told her not to come along. Wasn't she supposed to be training so she could fight in KH3? Wonder how that worked out 🤔
@Vipergaming23 Continue assuming that's what I'm referring to
@Vipergaming23 i know she didn't literally transform into sora, the point is symbolic. when she needs to fight, she receives aid from Sora and takes on his appearance and moves. Basically, she needs to become a man in order to win the fight. Not everything is literal.
@Vipergaming23 Riku is not a woman, so that wasn't a gender thing. Also, Riku had already been a playable character in two games and had been established as a certified badass. This, however, was Kairi's first time actually having the plot focus on her and she relived Sora's memories, which, fine, I get it's a rhythm game using reused assets. But at least give her something to do during her ONE moment to shine after you got hammered for making Kairi absolutely useless and dependent on Sora in KH3 after she was like, "next time, I'll protect you."
You know what another word for fiction is? Fantasy. Plus the fact that Quadratum = Square, leads me to believe the next game is going to be more focused on Final Fantasy & Square Enix properties insteadof Disney ones.
This also opens the door up for other properties too. Things that Disney owns that aren’t Disney properties. We can totally have Star Wars or Marvel or even Fox properties in KH now.
Why do I have a feeling that Kingdom Hearts 4 is going to get super meta
Because it is.
You’ll be waiting like 20 years for KH4
My God. This video matches exactly what I came up with. But I didn't look into the real cities. Nice to know someone knows there kingdom hearts lore
They just had to make it all so much more damn complicated and complex to the point that trying to understand everything from the beginning will give you a serious migraine.
Just say complex please. And seriously lore is not a bad thing
Damo279!!!! You are the single most epic person after Everglow for obvious reasons. Thank you so much for being in depth and brief at the same time. I appreciate you!!!!
I totally agree. Your explanations at least in the two videos I've seen awesomely piece together very well. Well done! I simply love KH :)
The final world and on the other side a fictional world
Or in another sense the world of a final fantasy
This is gonna be interesting
Ooohhh maybe that's why the "fictional world" Yozora is in can be considered a Fantasy world and the final world in fictional realm would be Final Fantasy.
Wait, are FF characters in KH universe real? Or there will be fictional/fantasy version of those characters like how somebody vs nobody vs heartless versions a character can have. The possibilities. Maybe the original FF characters designs we know in FF universe will be the fictional version. Maybe their roles in the KH series will be more important in future somehow like a guide into the fictional world, maybe even how the Q&A at the start of KH1 by tidus trio affects Sora's growth rate would be a new plot twist revelation.
So interesting idea I had when I first saw the secret ending for Kh3 is that they are going to a square enix world instead of a disney one. We've never traveled to any world within square enix and with the main building they show in the post credit scene being the 104 skyscraper in Shibuya much like in The World Ends With You (TWEWY) which has the 104 skycraper in Shibuya being the central area for the game instead of our worlds Shibuya having the 109 skyscraper
Nomura wrote himself into a corner.
You mean he wrote himself into a Quadratum.
@@kyrolazioko4783 gtfo
Remember what sora said in the opening in the first game. This has been planned from the very beginning
@@BarachielGaming that is complete and utter bullshit. This games story has been retconned to confusion and the story continues to evolve with Nomura randomly adding new shit he has pulled from his ass and trying to tie things together by the thinnest of threads.
@@feckert7301 ....mmk
Maybe memories World would also be how they used Master Xehnort as a portal and teleported to Scala Ad Calam,
Using Kairi, and visiting different worlds through her
Maybe the nameless star, to Quadadrum, so maybe the Power Of Waking is also looking at memories too
Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhh boi was waiting for this since the stream
Dude .. its like you have a PHD in Kingdom Hearts lore. Great stuff
man KH is so complecated
be so cool for them to find sora but it’s like a dark aqua in the realm of darkness type of moment. just always wanted to see sora take a turn like that since he’s always so upbeat and light hearted
He will
Come back acting like Riku in KH1 😂