Personally i like to use staff/wand as i like to do things on my own so the self heals help alot and my whole bar is used up by staff skills with 2 healing abilities. The staff alone can pack a huge punch if you manage your cooldowns correctly.
Same, I wanted to be able to heal my party if need be but also pack a decent single target dps if I wanted to. Kinda surprised he said it’s only used as a healer in PvE…
I am controlling and damaging the crowds with S&S/Great Sword. This has me running through things like the biggest tank there is haha. Thanks for the video. Got a sub from me.
Realistically, how many weapons can you easily level up in this game? 2-3 is doable? I talk about easy grind because I'm waiting for the spear. Wondering if I could build 2-3 weapons while still farmed up for spears.
Opinion on GS/Wand for PvE? I don't want to tank, but would be okay with going either healer or dps. Not all that interested in PvP, but might try it later down the line.
@@christianlaenger142 both can be really good in PVE and PVP. But in PVP both come with different strength in the lategame. If it comes to purely healing then bow is probably better. But in the next weeks will Break down both combos in detail :)
@grobs4678 I will not be doing any pvp, only pve. Is staff/wand viable for healer instead of wand/staff? I keep hearing and seeing that dps at high levels is more important than a full healer? I have played healer in every mmorpg so far, but I would like a little more damage this time around. I have also seen people playing Staff/Bow but I have not idea how that would work.
@@christianlaenger142 when it comes to healing in TL in PVE you really need to understand that its different from other MMOs. Most damage is avoidable or blockable. So with the time you will heal less and less in groups because they understand how to avoid the damage. therefor having a lot of damage as a healer is really good. staff or bow are both good combinations for a healer. I will publish hopefully this weekend a complete healer guide for Bow/wand in PVE and PVP. willl most likely adress a lot of your questions :)
do u have any reccomend for staff + bow ? please , magic range endurance have idk what skills will be greate combo and how to dodge GS + Daggers... hate this class
Sword/Shield + Bow user here. I kite them with the bow's auto attack and the shield's skills allows me to take a few hits for "free". The bow offers few healing utilities too but it's best as a DPS aid that SS really needs. It may be underperforming I believe, but it's a quite good and underused combination when not going for min-maxing
Hi, you seem very knowledgeable and would love if you could help me with a decision between which class to play. I’m waiting for global release of game. I’ve narrowed it down to either sns/gs, gs/dagger, staff/bow, dagger/bow or staff/dagger. I mainly want to pvp but of course I will pve as I level up. Farm materials and weapons and gear so I need to also be strong for pve dps Of the combos I listed for PVE dps which one is best? Next question is in terms of 1v1 3v3 and if I want to try the bigger guild battles. Of the weapon combos I listed. Which do you think is better to 1v1 someone. Or in group scenario or more. Which combo can kill fast and stay alive well. I read that range is not as strong as melee but I seen some clips where range really does very good against people kills fast and seems to stay alive well. How would range compare to the melee gs builds if the range builds came into 1v1 or 3v3 etc against melee. Which of these weapon combos is easier to learn? Which has higher potential. And which is probably easier to go kill someone fast and pvp and pve idk.. Any advise please. Also which armor would I need and any info please. I seen tier lists and I narrowed down between those melee and range combos I mentioned. I rlly like idea of the staff and range etc. but I don’t Wana die fast and be squishy I want to be strong high damage
from your listed combos... PVE: staff/bow & gs/dagger for DPS and SNS/GS Tank in PVE small scale PVP: gs/dagger just really good in all small scale. SNS/GS is currently also just really good in every content. but will be nerfed soon :S Range vs Melee: both can be really strong but they are better in different content and also different group combinations. In certain group combinations some weapons will really shine... But overall range builds are for sure harder to play in small scale then melee builds. GS/SNS is probably right now the easiest and best way to be always useful for your team... small scale, large scale, dungeons.... BUT you should choose your class based on what type of player you are, because NCSOFT will be doing updates every week. So just picking a class because it is currently broken is not the best choice :)
@@grobs4678 can sns/gs be used as a dps also? If we already have another sns/gs as a tank? Even if nerfed a bit sns/gs will still be easiest right? And it’s better than gs/dagger?
Scorpion vs Ravager vs Infiltrator? I am debating between scorpion (xbow/dagger), ravager (gs/dagger), and infiltrator (bow/dagger). My play style first and foremost is making an impact, I love solo carrying in games I play. I’m a highly mechanical/high APM/fast paced player, and I’m looking to do PVE and PVP, with a focus on PVP. I’d like to have potential to play alone in fights, but if I’d have more impact in a role that can’t make plays alone I’d be fine. I’ve narrowed my list down to these three classes. Any insights on all three, an in-depth of the three classes, to help me out?
How plausible is it to play 3 weapons? Like if I want to main DPS in PvP but heal or tank in PvE to get in groups when needed, would being like Staff/Bow + Wand for heal flex or GS/Dagger + SnS for tank flex, is that a possibility?
yes its possible but i would say its easier as a healer. you will only level your main weapon combination for pvp and ignore your heal/tank build for the beginning. of course you will do less damage and heal worse because your spells are not leveled and your item has a low level. but you will always find groups via the dungeon finder. After a while you will start to level your third weapon. but the question is if you just do that because you get faster groups. In Korea it was pretty easy to find groups even as a DPS. Thats because we have 6 player groups ... so 4 spots for DPS.
@@grobs4678 tysm for the response. When would you say a 0 investment wand or SnS becomes unable to heal or tank in dungeons regardless of the players ability?
@@RKxNiGhTMaReZ its hard to say.. because all the skill specialization which we got will make the early content a lot easier... it really depends on how much they will adapt the early content. but your pvp gear will also just do fine and give you a lot of stats and so on... so I would still say that you should be able to heal all the t1 dungeons.. .even though it will be way harder. for tanking I am actually not sure if you can hold the aggro :D
I love your videos but sadly the last comment you made on this one is just not true :D How do you freely swap your weapon setup ? lets say you can swap the skills using the free books but what about the masteries ? its just not ideal to swap weapon in this game unless you're someone who likes to suffer or love grindy games and don't ming grinding over and over
I just started playing yesterday, and I had decided a S&S with Crossbow combo initially, so I could be more self reliant when fighting enemies. But now looking at this I'm wondering if maybe I was wrong. Im not used to large scaled battles in games and I'm used to "having to deal with everything myself" type of gameplay. Is this game more heavilt focused in Team Synergy like FF16/ Lost Ark or can you be more self reliant like Conqueros Blade/ New World?
puhh.. play whatever is fun for you. everything can be viable... SNS/XBow is for sure not meta but if the combo is fun for you go ahead :) but its for sure a more team focused game
If i want to do a niece combo like, dagger and wand because I tend to play off meta, how do you think it'll do in pvp and pve and if it struggle in one to much when you get a third weapon what should i pair one with the other with so I can have wand and dagger and another combo for pve/pvp(what ever it struggle more with)
How is about SNS/Wand (main class) for group PVP and group PVE tank + 5 DPS. And SNS/GS (side class) for solo PVE and group PVE tank/heal/4x DPS. Can both of weapon pairs work on the same gear armour and accessories?
Yes, that is totally possible. Of course there can always be a certain item that will be more powerful on your main build then on your secondary build. but as long as you dont want to min max both builds thats totally possible
Thanks for your response I'm 99% sure that I will play SNS/Wand the only my annoying concern is low dmg for solo farming and clearing solo dungeons (if I have to do it regularly) I know it will take extra grinding for the 3rd weapon but let it be 🙂
thats all possible. its not like you deal no damage. When it comes to solo farming its even actually really good. you can make crazy huge pulls. you should for sure just start with your main combo and get the 3rd weapon later... dont do that from the beginning.
In your opinion do you think its likely that sns/wand (paladin) will reliably fufil the role of both tank and healer, and free up a spot for an additional dps? Is this likely to become meta?
From my point of view NO! I think a tank + healer + 4 DPS is way better... because usually you dont play a healer only for heal... the healer will deal also crazy damage ^^ and having a tank (SNS&GS) is just insanely strong because he can buff his group so good :) If you want min/max stuff in PVE you will play a good heal and a good Tank + 4 DPS
wand/dagger is for sure viable but it is still a niche combo. its better in small scale then large scale pvp. But you can still find a way to make it viable everywhere. but its for sure harder to play then other combos
@@grobs4678 yeah I like unorthodox methods usually and playing like a degenerate so if it offers that kind of utility I’m down :) I can always swap to staff or SnS for large scale
@@grobs4678 may I ask a few more questions? I’m on Xbox so we don’t get it till next week. I’m planning on maining daggers. I mostly wanna do PvP for my secondary my options are Xbow, staff, wand, SnS. I understand Xbow is highest single target dps. But for the other 3 I like the concept of being more of a spell blade are there any advantages that the wand or staff offer that xbow doesn’t?
im very confused when it comes xbow/dagger , some people say its S tier in pvp some say its low as C tier , i really have no idea if they are good or bad , how much would the weapon that i pick will effect me finding a good guild to join ? if they effect it which dps combo u suggest for me?
So XBow/Dagger has for sure its place in all form ov PVP content. But its by far the hardest class to play in PVP. So if you are really good on the class then guilds will for sure love you :) but there are always classes that not so many people play but are really needed. if you play such a class then you will for sure find a guild way more easy. so for DPS in large scale its probably Staff/bow. easy to play and always really really good and needed
does it matter whether staff or bow is the main weapon? if it does what changes does it make? i see some videos where staff is main and some videos where bow is main
There is no "main" weapon in the game, maybe your playstyle defines what your main weapon is, but not the game. It mostly just defines your auto attack. Some other small things, but this is ignoreable.
I worry that the SnS/wand tank will make pure healers redundant in PVE content. Is the 1x Tank/healer 5x DPS composition doing more damage than the 1x Tank 1x Healer 4x DPS composition?
From my point of view NO! I think a tank + healer + 4 DPS is way better... because usually you dont play a healer only for heal... the healer will deal also crazy damage ^^ and having a tank (SNS&GS) is just insanely strong because he can buff his group so good :) If you want min/max stuff in PVE you will play a good heal and a good Tank + 4 DPS
i'll go for SNS/Dagger ..i never played the game ..but are there weapon or stat choices for armors? are we free to customize it to match our playstyle?
I assume SnS/GS would require the least amount of investment for a tank from what other ppl been saying, but how about for DPS? Which would you say requires the least amount of investment but is still really good in PvE solo? I was planning on going xbow/dagger cause it looks cool, but ive been hearing that it requires a lot of investment to have the necessary gear/stats esp archeweapons later on
yeah xbow/dagger can feel a lot better with more items. but to be honest every other dps class is totally fine. dont think too much about. take what fits your gameplay. way more important :)
@@grobs4678 oh okay sweet. btw u mentioned staff and bow is like stationary artillery. does that mean im animation locked in place when casting spells? or am i still able to move around to position?
I'll just say that, a tanky paladin, dealing massive damage, and having better healing than the staff+wand combo, is a winner. Greatsword with its davinci max Hp and heal skill + single target Or party wide convert damage to caster skill, depending on your specialization choice.
Thats really an good Video, but now i had to Choose between Greatsword and Dagger or Greatsword and Staff, well u didnt listed GS+Staff so its that bad?
If you're not too focused on the "meta" and just want to have fun. Then go for what ever build you want to enjoy. At the end of the day it's your time and enjoyment that is important.
is there any point going GS/DG Over GS/SNS ? GS/SNS just seems better in most situation. Another issue I get with TNL is that the time investment for weapon skills seems super high so how do the devs handle balancing ? could they ever potentionally nerf gs/sns when people have to invest so much into a specific playstyle?
So yes, SNS/GS is broken at the moment, but it's not necessarily better in every type of content. A well-played GS/Dagger player can still perform well. However, it definitely shines more in small-scale PvP, as it's more of an assassin playstyle. Don't pick the weapon combo just because it's broken-pick the one that fits your playstyle. There are weekly patches in Korea, with frequent tweaks to the weapons. You might start playing SNS/GS because it's currently broken, but in a month, it could be nerfed to the ground. So, play what suits your playstyle best :)
so you want a class that is good in every form of content :D staff/bow is good for large scale and PVE. staff/dagger is good in PVP but not so good in PVE...it will be always like this...
I think you are talking about PVE correct? Its not as bad anymore. NCSOFT is trying to nerf xbow more and more in PVE and now its actually getting closer... so dont worry too much about it :)
@@grobs4678 yeah. It was OP before so they needed to 'fix' it lol - the cooldowns seem to take forever now, but it was just because they were so broken before
Its a really niche build ^^ but go ahead and try it out. The most important thing is that fits to your playstyle :) you dont have to be a meta slave!! :)
I really want to try Throne amd Liberty however i dont see a Hand to hand combat style class like a monk i would literally try Fist/Dagger combo for best dps
Subscribed (: I cant wait to play this game. I wont have very long to play as I have a 9 months old son so I’ll probably play Bow/staff for pve and keep my distance. Then maybe create a pvp build in the future. Maybe sns/gs or wand. Can I use bow/staff in pve to level up other weapons skills? Or will i only drop items for the weapons im using?
Im old school MMORPG I played DAOC when it came out over 30 years ago.. im going to play this only a few worries .. is pvp skill base? Looks spamy like get hit with everything...i like to also solo pvp and that doesn't look like a thing.. and the combat..if can share some light in these I'd appreciate it
PvP in the game is skill-based, especially in small-scale. However, gear also plays a significant role, meaning if you're significantly under-geared, it can be tough. For solo PvP, there are two main options: the 3v3 Arena and dynamic events. Dynamic events are timed activities that occur in specific areas where you're automatically placed into one of three teams. While you're part of a team, the events allow for individual playstyles, so you can focus on your own objectives alongside others. There is also some open world PVP but thats just in nights in open world dungeons... As you already noticed focus is large scale PVP.
What's funny is I use staff and daggers, with my dagger being my defense and staff my offense heavily aggressive with burning stacks so I can using fireball barrage to its max potential of shooting over 20+ fireballs destroying my enemies. So PvE isn't an issue if you know how to build it right.
I Played greatsword and dagger in the beta. It wasnt doing alot dmg and i could die quick. Was lvl 30 but had all blue gear like +6 because of the event that boosted. Now im considering playing sword and either greatsword or wand - but dont know which to choose. Im mainly playing solo, so i need to stay alive alot but also wanna do alot of dmg and i like flashy big aoe skills alot
I heard that there were problems in korea launching the game on the "purple" client from NCSOFT. Now it will be on steam... I would assume it is also possible but I have actually no experience with MAC :S maybe someone else can help?
I can say that it used to work on Linux ( should work on Mac as well i guess, if you can install protondb or something similar ) but it stopped working 2 months ago, so who knows, maybe they added some anti cheat rule... Currently it doesn't work BUT i would suggest you anyway give it a try next month when it releases
Would love to be able to play greatsword and staff or greatsword and longbow, but unfortunately, those are subpar compared to others, yet I find them the most fun for my own playstyle. I just hope I won't be too far behind in end-game pve content.
thanks mate. I am really not a xbow/dagger expert but the most important stats for dealing more damage are for sure Attack Speed and Heavy Attack Chance. If you are talking about base stats then you should focus on "dexterity". hope that helps :)
So over on Reddit people are saying to focus on only 2 weapons because they are so resource intensive (mentioned 1 year in people on kr servers are finally maxing out weapons). How accurate is this? Will you be hamstringing yourself if you work on 3 or 4 weapons so you can have a pvp/pve set or is it best to find something you like that's a balance between them and only focus on 2 weapons?
1 year to max out weapons? these guys are not actively playing the game. 4 weapons is definitely too much at the beginning, but you can play 3 weapons. of course you focus on leveling and traiting 2 weapons first. the third weapon you will only level and not trait in the beginning but this is totally fine for pve. so yes for pvp you focus 100% on 2 weapons but after a few months you will still have 3 weapons because the meta is always changing and with that often the playstyle of the weapon combo. just having a third weapon gives you 2 more combinations to play with. :)
So all those 3 have completely different playstyles. SNS/GS is a tank. yes it also does a lot of damage and its broken at the moment but its still a tank. SNS/Wand you are an assassin in small scale with crazy burst damage and in large scale you are just a sleep bomber (so you set up engages for your team). And GS/Dagger you are a bruiser/assassin that shines in small scale pvp and is really hard to play in large scale. NCSOFT will release frequent patches to balance these weapon combinations. So you better not pick SNS/GS because its broken right now. Because they already said they will nerf it and you will either deal damage or be a tank. Think about whats your gameplay, where do you see yourself? its different from other MMOs. currently we have every week a patch that could always come with balancing of the weapons :)
I like single weapon classes more too, but 2 weapons work in some games. ESO did 2 weapons fairly well and Archeage was "somewhat" of a multi-weapon game, but those games worked because the classes actually COMBOED. New World had a lot of smooth brain design choices. First they were gonna let you carry 3 weapons, then they changed it to 2 weapons, but none of the weapons comboed or worked together. Passives, AoEs, and some skills would immediately deactivate if you switched to your other weapon. Like wtf. At least in T&L, you have your "main" weapon, and the back bar weapon is kinda just for utility or its a stat stick because the passives apply to both weapons.
Is SNS+Staff something that could work or is it so bad it’s not worth thinking about? I’ve always liked the battle mage archetype but many games don’t support it well
Not really, there are longer cooldowns, but most of them are quite short. In PVE it is mostly button smashing (for most spells). In PVP it is completely different. There you have to do more than button smashing for all classes. Hope that helps. :)
This video represent the best of the best non-bias standart weapon combo what i see in long time! Great job!
thanks man :)
I was a bit skeptical at first not gonna lie, you knocked it out of the park. Finally someone who mentioned that SNS/DAG is gear reliant :p
nice thanks :)
sns mean?
@@carlvincentsagubay8660 Sword and Shield*
Very good video. One of the best and un-bias weapon videos out there rn. Good job
tyty :)
I mean he didn't break anything down. Just said "this good, that bad."
Personally i like to use staff/wand as i like to do things on my own so the self heals help alot and my whole bar is used up by staff skills with 2 healing abilities. The staff alone can pack a huge punch if you manage your cooldowns correctly.
Good to know. Thank you.
Same, I wanted to be able to heal my party if need be but also pack a decent single target dps if I wanted to.
Kinda surprised he said it’s only used as a healer in PvE…
I am controlling and damaging the crowds with S&S/Great Sword. This has me running through things like the biggest tank there is haha. Thanks for the video. Got a sub from me.
I'm trying SnS + Wand. I want to be a classic "Paladin" archetype and just be an unkillable machine in both content. Not dying makes me happy.
yep. thats then the class for you :D
honestly ive been using staff and great sword and ive been having so much fun and i dont think ive seen anyone use those two together
currently trying to make this meta on my alt :D lets see
@@grobs4678 and what how is it
That's what I have at 2.5k right now and it's pretty damn fun.
Realistically, how many weapons can you easily level up in this game? 2-3 is doable?
I talk about easy grind because I'm waiting for the spear. Wondering if I could build 2-3 weapons while still farmed up for spears.
Opinion on GS/Wand for PvE? I don't want to tank, but would be okay with going either healer or dps.
Not all that interested in PvP, but might try it later down the line.
GS/Wand is top tier for pve and pvp.
Probably the best video to choose your class without a doubt !!! Thanks for all explanations you helped me a lot to choose !!! ❤
What about Wand/Greatsword? I'm enjoying my time but i don't what my role is, am i healer? Am i DPS? Is this weapon combo even acceptable?
Твои гайды самые крутые! Информация подаётся максимально структурированно и понятно, так держать! Спасибо
Thanks :) I will!
What armor were you using for great sword and dagger? Was it a cosmetic?
Tier 2 armor. You will be able to farm this in dungeons. But not at the beginning. Will probably come out in 2-3 month :S
What class do you recommend for range with a longbow, crossbows or staff, which is more viable for pve?
both really strong :)
Hey are you playing on max settings? Your gameplqy looks so beautiful.
I have seen both Wand/Staff and Wand/Bow as main healers, which is the best for endgame healing?
@@christianlaenger142 both can be really good in PVE and PVP. But in PVP both come with different strength in the lategame. If it comes to purely healing then bow is probably better. But in the next weeks will Break down both combos in detail :)
@grobs4678 I will not be doing any pvp, only pve. Is staff/wand viable for healer instead of wand/staff? I keep hearing and seeing that dps at high levels is more important than a full healer? I have played healer in every mmorpg so far, but I would like a little more damage this time around. I have also seen people playing Staff/Bow but I have not idea how that would work.
@@christianlaenger142 when it comes to healing in TL in PVE you really need to understand that its different from other MMOs. Most damage is avoidable or blockable. So with the time you will heal less and less in groups because they understand how to avoid the damage. therefor having a lot of damage as a healer is really good. staff or bow are both good combinations for a healer. I will publish hopefully this weekend a complete healer guide for Bow/wand in PVE and PVP. willl most likely adress a lot of your questions :)
@grobs4678 Thank you, will be looking forward to it.
Bow Dagger PVP / Staff BOW PVE :) hyped
nice :) Certainly a good choice!
do u have any reccomend for staff + bow ? please , magic range endurance have idk what skills will be greate combo and how to dodge GS + Daggers... hate this class
I’m using bow and wand. Having fun with that. You can add heals and fun debuffs.
:)
Sword/Shield + Bow user here. I kite them with the bow's auto attack and the shield's skills allows me to take a few hits for "free". The bow offers few healing utilities too but it's best as a DPS aid that SS really needs. It may be underperforming I believe, but it's a quite good and underused combination when not going for min-maxing
sounds fun :)
Hi, you seem very knowledgeable and would love if you could help me with a decision between which class to play. I’m waiting for global release of game.
I’ve narrowed it down to either sns/gs, gs/dagger, staff/bow, dagger/bow or staff/dagger.
I mainly want to pvp but of course I will pve as I level up. Farm materials and weapons and gear so I need to also be strong for pve dps
Of the combos I listed for PVE dps which one is best?
Next question is in terms of 1v1 3v3 and if I want to try the bigger guild battles.
Of the weapon combos I listed. Which do you think is better to 1v1 someone. Or in group scenario or more. Which combo can kill fast and stay alive well.
I read that range is not as strong as melee but I seen some clips where range really does very good against people kills fast and seems to stay alive well.
How would range compare to the melee gs builds if the range builds came into 1v1 or 3v3 etc against melee.
Which of these weapon combos is easier to learn? Which has higher potential. And which is probably easier to go kill someone fast and pvp and pve idk..
Any advise please. Also which armor would I need and any info please. I seen tier lists and I narrowed down between those melee and range combos I mentioned. I rlly like idea of the staff and range etc. but I don’t Wana die fast and be squishy I want to be strong high damage
from your listed combos...
PVE: staff/bow & gs/dagger for DPS and SNS/GS Tank in PVE
small scale PVP: gs/dagger just really good in all small scale. SNS/GS is currently also just really good in every content. but will be nerfed soon :S
Range vs Melee: both can be really strong but they are better in different content and also different group combinations. In certain group combinations some weapons will really shine... But overall range builds are for sure harder to play in small scale then melee builds.
GS/SNS is probably right now the easiest and best way to be always useful for your team... small scale, large scale, dungeons....
BUT you should choose your class based on what type of player you are, because NCSOFT will be doing updates every week. So just picking a class because it is currently broken is not the best choice :)
@@grobs4678 can sns/gs be used as a dps also? If we already have another sns/gs as a tank? Even if nerfed a bit sns/gs will still be easiest right? And it’s better than gs/dagger?
Scorpion vs Ravager vs Infiltrator?
I am debating between scorpion (xbow/dagger), ravager (gs/dagger), and infiltrator (bow/dagger).
My play style first and foremost is making an impact, I love solo carrying in games I play. I’m a highly mechanical/high APM/fast paced player, and I’m looking to do PVE and PVP, with a focus on PVP. I’d like to have potential to play alone in fights, but if I’d have more impact in a role that can’t make plays alone I’d be fine.
I’ve narrowed my list down to these three classes. Any insights on all three, an in-depth of the three classes, to help me out?
scorpion (xbow/dagger )- high skill cap / fast APM
How plausible is it to play 3 weapons? Like if I want to main DPS in PvP but heal or tank in PvE to get in groups when needed, would being like Staff/Bow + Wand for heal flex or GS/Dagger + SnS for tank flex, is that a possibility?
yes its possible but i would say its easier as a healer. you will only level your main weapon combination for pvp and ignore your heal/tank build for the beginning. of course you will do less damage and heal worse because your spells are not leveled and your item has a low level. but you will always find groups via the dungeon finder. After a while you will start to level your third weapon.
but the question is if you just do that because you get faster groups. In Korea it was pretty easy to find groups even as a DPS. Thats because we have 6 player groups ... so 4 spots for DPS.
@@grobs4678 tysm for the response. When would you say a 0 investment wand or SnS becomes unable to heal or tank in dungeons regardless of the players ability?
@@RKxNiGhTMaReZ its hard to say.. because all the skill specialization which we got will make the early content a lot easier... it really depends on how much they will adapt the early content. but your pvp gear will also just do fine and give you a lot of stats and so on... so I would still say that you should be able to heal all the t1 dungeons.. .even though it will be way harder. for tanking I am actually not sure if you can hold the aggro :D
Bow+SnS or Wand+Dagger. Xbow+Mag looks good. Xbow+GS to, I think
I love your videos but sadly the last comment you made on this one is just not true :D How do you freely swap your weapon setup ? lets say you can swap the skills using the free books but what about the masteries ? its just not ideal to swap weapon in this game unless you're someone who likes to suffer or love grindy games and don't ming grinding over and over
I just started playing yesterday, and I had decided a S&S with Crossbow combo initially, so I could be more self reliant when fighting enemies. But now looking at this I'm wondering if maybe I was wrong. Im not used to large scaled battles in games and I'm used to "having to deal with everything myself" type of gameplay. Is this game more heavilt focused in Team Synergy like FF16/ Lost Ark or can you be more self reliant like Conqueros Blade/ New World?
puhh.. play whatever is fun for you. everything can be viable... SNS/XBow is for sure not meta but if the combo is fun for you go ahead :) but its for sure a more team focused game
If i want to do a niece combo like, dagger and wand because I tend to play off meta, how do you think it'll do in pvp and pve and if it struggle in one to much when you get a third weapon what should i pair one with the other with so I can have wand and dagger and another combo for pve/pvp(what ever it struggle more with)
How is about SNS/Wand (main class) for group PVP and group PVE tank + 5 DPS.
And SNS/GS (side class) for solo PVE and group PVE tank/heal/4x DPS.
Can both of weapon pairs work on the same gear armour and accessories?
Yes, that is totally possible. Of course there can always be a certain item that will be more powerful on your main build then on your secondary build. but as long as you dont want to min max both builds thats totally possible
Thanks for your response
I'm 99% sure that I will play SNS/Wand the only my annoying concern is low dmg for solo farming and clearing solo dungeons (if I have to do it regularly)
I know it will take extra grinding for the 3rd weapon but let it be 🙂
thats all possible. its not like you deal no damage. When it comes to solo farming its even actually really good. you can make crazy huge pulls. you should for sure just start with your main combo and get the 3rd weapon later... dont do that from the beginning.
so.. no dagger dagger...???
:D
@@grobs4678 ???
This game sucks, you cant duel wield shields smh
When I want to Bow and Staff that means my main weapon is Bow and secondary Staff? Is it matter?
In your opinion do you think its likely that sns/wand (paladin) will reliably fufil the role of both tank and healer, and free up a spot for an additional dps? Is this likely to become meta?
From my point of view NO! I think a tank + healer + 4 DPS is way better... because usually you dont play a healer only for heal... the healer will deal also crazy damage ^^ and having a tank (SNS&GS) is just insanely strong because he can buff his group so good :) If you want min/max stuff in PVE you will play a good heal and a good Tank + 4 DPS
I'm currently running Greatsword and Crossbow, I like it
nice :)
you left out the machine gun fire ball for xbow and staffs? Why? That combo melts
its just less popular :S this was a meta snapshot... and its fun and good but not meta :S
Can I ask a question? How viable is dagger and wand if you’re using wand for debuffs and dagger for damage. Mostly looking at it in a pvp aspect
wand/dagger is for sure viable but it is still a niche combo. its better in small scale then large scale pvp. But you can still find a way to make it viable everywhere. but its for sure harder to play then other combos
@@grobs4678 yeah I like unorthodox methods usually and playing like a degenerate so if it offers that kind of utility I’m down :) I can always swap to staff or SnS for large scale
@@CatLordSix yes :)
@@grobs4678 may I ask a few more questions? I’m on Xbox so we don’t get it till next week.
I’m planning on maining daggers. I mostly wanna do PvP for my secondary my options are
Xbow, staff, wand, SnS.
I understand Xbow is highest single target dps. But for the other 3 I like the concept of being more of a spell blade are there any advantages that the wand or staff offer that xbow doesn’t?
im very confused when it comes xbow/dagger , some people say its S tier in pvp some say its low as C tier , i really have no idea if they are good or bad , how much would the weapon that i pick will effect me finding a good guild to join ? if they effect it which dps combo u suggest for me?
So XBow/Dagger has for sure its place in all form ov PVP content. But its by far the hardest class to play in PVP. So if you are really good on the class then guilds will for sure love you :)
but there are always classes that not so many people play but are really needed. if you play such a class then you will for sure find a guild way more easy. so for DPS in large scale its probably Staff/bow. easy to play and always really really good and needed
does it matter whether staff or bow is the main weapon? if it does what changes does it make? i see some videos where staff is main and some videos where bow is main
There is no "main" weapon in the game, maybe your playstyle defines what your main weapon is, but not the game. It mostly just defines your auto attack. Some other small things, but this is ignoreable.
I worry that the SnS/wand tank will make pure healers redundant in PVE content. Is the 1x Tank/healer 5x DPS composition doing more damage than the 1x Tank 1x Healer 4x DPS composition?
From my point of view NO! I think a tank + healer + 4 DPS is way better... because usually you dont play a healer only for heal... the healer will deal also crazy damage ^^ and having a tank (SNS&GS) is just insanely strong because he can buff his group so good :) If you want min/max stuff in PVE you will play a good heal and a good Tank + 4 DPS
Sword/Greatsword has a lot of utility and damage as a PvE tank and does decent damage
i'll go for SNS/Dagger ..i never played the game ..but are there weapon or stat choices for armors? are we free to customize it to match our playstyle?
you can customize so much in this game its crazy :D
I assume SnS/GS would require the least amount of investment for a tank from what other ppl been saying, but how about for DPS? Which would you say requires the least amount of investment but is still really good in PvE solo? I was planning on going xbow/dagger cause it looks cool, but ive been hearing that it requires a lot of investment to have the necessary gear/stats esp archeweapons later on
yeah xbow/dagger can feel a lot better with more items. but to be honest every other dps class is totally fine. dont think too much about. take what fits your gameplay. way more important :)
@@grobs4678 oh okay sweet. btw u mentioned staff and bow is like stationary artillery. does that mean im animation locked in place when casting spells? or am i still able to move around to position?
@@SilverBvllet you still able to move around. but it still feels like it :D
Thank you! Excited for the global release.
same :)
Hesitate between xbow dagger with bow staff pve what do you recommand please ? 😁 Most fun ?
xbow/dagger is way harder to play to the maximum potential.. bow/staff is way more chill :D
i use the sns and wand,but im lost in skills,no idea what to put in n what to upgrade first
not in expert on this one
Which bow is it for the healer class? Wand and which bow?
longbow
Build skills? 04:49 Sword and Shield & Wand (Tank)
what do you mean?
What about Staff and Xbow? Is it even viable?
so its for sure not a common combination :D but in the end you make everything somehow viable ^^
It was very close to xbow/daggger pve wise. Dmg is crayze but not good in pvp at all
Do what you think is best don't listen to other players I found that out in the Beta
I was playing it in hyperboost server in korea and it have crazy dmg and decent even in pvp and so fun to play
I'll just say that, a tanky paladin, dealing massive damage, and having better healing than the staff+wand combo, is a winner.
Greatsword with its davinci max Hp and heal skill + single target Or party wide convert damage to caster skill, depending on your specialization choice.
Thats really an good Video, but now i had to Choose between Greatsword and Dagger or Greatsword and Staff, well u didnt listed GS+Staff so its that bad?
it is not that bad but it is for sure not meta :D so what do you want to accomplish with your build? where do you want to shine?
If you're not too focused on the "meta" and just want to have fun. Then go for what ever build you want to enjoy. At the end of the day it's your time and enjoyment that is important.
what is armor name of gs and dagger build ?
is there any point going GS/DG Over GS/SNS ? GS/SNS just seems better in most situation.
Another issue I get with TNL is that the time investment for weapon skills seems super high so how do the devs handle balancing ? could they ever potentionally nerf gs/sns when people have to invest so much into a specific playstyle?
So yes, SNS/GS is broken at the moment, but it's not necessarily better in every type of content. A well-played GS/Dagger player can still perform well. However, it definitely shines more in small-scale PvP, as it's more of an assassin playstyle. Don't pick the weapon combo just because it's broken-pick the one that fits your playstyle. There are weekly patches in Korea, with frequent tweaks to the weapons. You might start playing SNS/GS because it's currently broken, but in a month, it could be nerfed to the ground. So, play what suits your playstyle best :)
@@grobs4678 cheers for this Gs/dg is defo more my playstyle. Gotta stop being a meta monkey 🥲
How about bow and sns are that make ranged cc and zoning enemies easier than ohter tank can do?
it can be for sure good. you will be unkillable :D
@@grobs4678 and are they good at dmg?i see other video who play bow and sns and not deal big dmg even to dps
@@Akupatin19 the combo is really bad when it comes to dealing damage :S
today what best damage for pve/pvp? staff dagger or GS dagger
Staff dagger 4/5 in PVP and 2/5 in PVE
GS dagger 4/5 in PVP (5/5 in small scale and 3/5 in large scale) and 3.5/5 in PVE
I want to play staff/something good for pve and PvP small and large scale, what would you recommend?
so you want a class that is good in every form of content :D staff/bow is good for large scale and PVE. staff/dagger is good in PVP but not so good in PVE...it will be always like this...
@@grobs4678 alr, what do you think abt bow/staff then also leveling up dagger that way I can swap between them depending on what I’m doing
@@Slick244 yeah you can do that. but first focus on 2 weapons for a while then get a third weapon :)
@@grobs4678 alright, thanks! 👍
Hi,
I'd like to be a healer in parties but be able to PVE on my own. What combination would be the most suitable for this?
Thanks for the video!
For PVE you can pair the wand with whatever you want. But I would say the easiest and most efficient combo is for sure staff + wand :)
@@grobs4678 Thanks! So this would make me able to do solo PVE and still be a valuable party healer?
@@Fent89 yes for sure :)
between xbow/dagger and staff/bow, is there a lot of difference in DPS?
I think you are talking about PVE correct? Its not as bad anymore. NCSOFT is trying to nerf xbow more and more in PVE and now its actually getting closer... so dont worry too much about it :)
Can u do sword shield and bow a tank with a long range attacks
I have a dilemma between a crossbow/dagger and a greatsword/dagger and I can't decide, could you advise me?
...working on my xbow/dagger build on the Korean servers right now - good video, thanks
xbow/dagger always looks so much fun... do you feel the nerfs for the class? thanks:)
@@grobs4678 yeah. It was OP before so they needed to 'fix' it lol - the cooldowns seem to take forever now, but it was just because they were so broken before
yeah the same as I have heard. but enjoy :)
My character is wand+crossbow, I love it!
nice. thats a wild comb :D
What you think about Staff / GS ? i'm really exited to try it tbh
Its a really niche build ^^ but go ahead and try it out. The most important thing is that fits to your playstyle :) you dont have to be a meta slave!! :)
I'm excited for this too, and hope it can perform well in mass pvp with pve
so theres no SnS/staff or 2h/staff?
I really want to try Throne amd Liberty however i dont see a Hand to hand combat style class like a monk i would literally try Fist/Dagger combo for best dps
sounds great. Will see what we will get in the future :)
happy that the weapons i chose appeared in the video
:)
Is it viable to just run 1 weapon? So far the only one i enjoy using is the great sword
you can do that but nothing positive about it :D
what armor set used for the GS and Dagger @2:12 anyone ?
its so funny how many people are asking for that :D its tier2 gear. we will get this in a few month :S
@@grobs4678 what’s the name of it?
@@justaguy9909 wraith knights armor
@@grobs4678 nice! Ty
Subscribed (: I cant wait to play this game. I wont have very long to play as I have a 9 months old son so I’ll probably play Bow/staff for pve and keep my distance. Then maybe create a pvp build in the future. Maybe sns/gs or wand.
Can I use bow/staff in pve to level up other weapons skills? Or will i only drop items for the weapons im using?
nice sounds great :) the drops are not depending on what you are playing. so you can freely get items for all your builds :)
I do long bow and wand but still do primarily dps. More or less I see it as a healer support but not nearly as good
Im old school MMORPG I played DAOC when it came out over 30 years ago.. im going to play this only a few worries .. is pvp skill base? Looks spamy like get hit with everything...i like to also solo pvp and that doesn't look like a thing.. and the combat..if can share some light in these I'd appreciate it
PvP in the game is skill-based, especially in small-scale. However, gear also plays a significant role, meaning if you're significantly under-geared, it can be tough. For solo PvP, there are two main options: the 3v3 Arena and dynamic events. Dynamic events are timed activities that occur in specific areas where you're automatically placed into one of three teams. While you're part of a team, the events allow for individual playstyles, so you can focus on your own objectives alongside others. There is also some open world PVP but thats just in nights in open world dungeons... As you already noticed focus is large scale PVP.
So if I wanted to play Staff/dagger for PvP how much am I going to hate myself farming PvE content? Should I go staff/bow first and farm gear?
its fine. you will later on get a third weapon for dungeons and you will be fine ;)
@@grobs4678 great thanks for responding. I think staff/dagger looks really fun.
@@madhatten5123 yeah its really nice :)
I have a question is the same "bow and wand" than "wand and bow"?
yes :)
@@grobs4678 thank you :)
is staff and broadsword a stupid loadout? i like using it but i feel like it just isn’t efficient enough
no. its good in PVE :)
@@grobs4678 appreciate the feedback!!
Bow/Staff. Might consider dagger in for PVP. Currently in KR; waiting for NA launch
nice :)
which is better on early game SNS+GS / Wand? im more interested on playing SNS+ Wand but not sure if it will do good on solo content
Im not sure about the launch version of the game, but I played sns + dagger in the open beta and early game pve was slow.
SNS/GS for sure better and easier :)
great video! I saw korean using dagger/wand is that useful?
@@joshyfex its really niche but for sure viable. Ist also really good in small scale
What do you recommand for newbies ?
DPS, Tank or Heal?
For heal? Verter BOw anda Wand pero SS and wand
what about gs and bow? is it a bad match up
IDK maybe you can make it work D:
What's funny is I use staff and daggers, with my dagger being my defense and staff my offense heavily aggressive with burning stacks so I can using fireball barrage to its max potential of shooting over 20+ fireballs destroying my enemies. So PvE isn't an issue if you know how to build it right.
an issue it is for sure not ^^ you can play everything in PVE
I Played greatsword and dagger in the beta. It wasnt doing alot dmg and i could die quick. Was lvl 30 but had all blue gear like +6 because of the event that boosted.
Now im considering playing sword and either greatsword or wand - but dont know which to choose.
Im mainly playing solo, so i need to stay alive alot but also wanna do alot of dmg and i like flashy big aoe skills alot
Hi guys, can you please advise if this game is available for MAC?
I heard that there were problems in korea launching the game on the "purple" client from NCSOFT. Now it will be on steam... I would assume it is also possible but I have actually no experience with MAC :S maybe someone else can help?
I can say that it used to work on Linux ( should work on Mac as well i guess, if you can install protondb or something similar ) but it stopped working 2 months ago, so who knows, maybe they added some anti cheat rule... Currently it doesn't work BUT i would suggest you anyway give it a try next month when it releases
Would love to be able to play greatsword and staff or greatsword and longbow, but unfortunately, those are subpar compared to others, yet I find them the most fun for my own playstyle. I just hope I won't be too far behind in end-game pve content.
Greatsword and bow could work because bow has a heal that provide meaningful utility
Don't know if that GS/Dagger outfit can be found in game, but from a business perspective. Put that in the shop and will sell like crazy
thats gear is out of dungeons :) but you wont be able to farm that on release ...will come out later with the introduction of T2 dungeons.
@@grobs4678 I'm fine with that. I can wait. Looks sick tho
Is Tome and Shield a good combination?
yes. the classical paladin! really strong
As a xbox/dagger main, what stats should i focus most on improving??? Great video btw!!
thanks mate. I am really not a xbow/dagger expert but the most important stats for dealing more damage are for sure Attack Speed and Heavy Attack Chance. If you are talking about base stats then you should focus on "dexterity". hope that helps :)
@@grobs4678 Thank you so much!
So over on Reddit people are saying to focus on only 2 weapons because they are so resource intensive (mentioned 1 year in people on kr servers are finally maxing out weapons). How accurate is this? Will you be hamstringing yourself if you work on 3 or 4 weapons so you can have a pvp/pve set or is it best to find something you like that's a balance between them and only focus on 2 weapons?
1 year to max out weapons? these guys are not actively playing the game. 4 weapons is definitely too much at the beginning, but you can play 3 weapons. of course you focus on leveling and traiting 2 weapons first. the third weapon you will only level and not trait in the beginning but this is totally fine for pve. so yes for pvp you focus 100% on 2 weapons but after a few months you will still have 3 weapons because the meta is always changing and with that often the playstyle of the weapon combo. just having a third weapon gives you 2 more combinations to play with. :)
@@grobs4678 Appreciate the response and feedback as always, thank you
how about staff/xbow?
off meta but for sure somehow viable :)
Do you have a great build for Greatsword and Dagger? :-)
no sorry :S
@@grobs4678 All fine :D Do you tried Greatsword Bow ? :D
@@drdaddydanger1546 nop sry^^
Should I use Bow+Staff or Staff+Bow?
its the same :D
@@grobs4678 Oh, I read on Reddit that main weapon matters because ¿passive skills? I did not understand because I'm a new player hahaha. Thanks !
hi bro, what weapons best for just farming?
take whatever you want. you can make everything good for farming :)
Everything I’ve been watching seems to point me towards sns/gs. Been debating between that along with sns/wand or gs/dagger.
So all those 3 have completely different playstyles. SNS/GS is a tank. yes it also does a lot of damage and its broken at the moment but its still a tank. SNS/Wand you are an assassin in small scale with crazy burst damage and in large scale you are just a sleep bomber (so you set up engages for your team). And GS/Dagger you are a bruiser/assassin that shines in small scale pvp and is really hard to play in large scale. NCSOFT will release frequent patches to balance these weapon combinations. So you better not pick SNS/GS because its broken right now. Because they already said they will nerf it and you will either deal damage or be a tank. Think about whats your gameplay, where do you see yourself? its different from other MMOs. currently we have every week a patch that could always come with balancing of the weapons :)
@@grobs4678 thank you so much for all the info!
I am playing greatsword/staff. I will alao lvl up dagger than shield. 4 weapon to lvl up. 3 playable build. I'll ne playing for a long time.
I want to run great sword and staff. I'm sure thats probably the worst combo but I still wanna try.
its fine. you can make everything viable! :)
So SNS/Wand is not viable for pve?? 😯😲😮
Current top guy is dagger / gs in NA east
SnS/GS let’s go!!
@@thearcheologist3313 nice. Me too :)
i hate 2 weapon shit like new world i want old style classes
yeah I like old school classes also more :S
Go play an old school mmo then lol.
I like single weapon classes more too, but 2 weapons work in some games. ESO did 2 weapons fairly well and Archeage was "somewhat" of a multi-weapon game, but those games worked because the classes actually COMBOED.
New World had a lot of smooth brain design choices. First they were gonna let you carry 3 weapons, then they changed it to 2 weapons, but none of the weapons comboed or worked together. Passives, AoEs, and some skills would immediately deactivate if you switched to your other weapon. Like wtf.
At least in T&L, you have your "main" weapon, and the back bar weapon is kinda just for utility or its a stat stick because the passives apply to both weapons.
Me too
Ok boomer. Too many cooldowns to manage?
Is SNS+Staff something that could work or is it so bad it’s not worth thinking about? I’ve always liked the battle mage archetype but many games don’t support it well
really depends on what you want to do. PVE or PVP? but its for sure niche. In PVE it can work as a Tank. In PVP I am not sure to be honest :D
You forgot wand/dagger full poision and stealh + sleep bomb aoe
yeah.. meta has changed since korea :D and now its all about the sleep bombers :D
No Greatsword and wand?
guide coming in the next days :P
I play xbow/greatsword no mana issues and can melt content. Heals and mobility skills are outstanding
sounds nice :) I saw it already from time to time but have never tried it... niche builds are always super fun! :)
@@grobs4678 yeah it's different but works for me thx great vid
thx
@@MrCruelsafixwhat gear do you use?
Is there a class that has long cooldowns? I like the game but i dislike buttonmash.
Not really, there are longer cooldowns, but most of them are quite short. In PVE it is mostly button smashing (for most spells). In PVP it is completely different. There you have to do more than button smashing for all classes. Hope that helps. :)
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staff crossbow?
make it viable :D not meta for sure xD