I love how they both shook hands and hugged upon conclusion of a passionate debate. This is what passionate discourse should look like in America. Prayers up for the professor’s soul. Praise to JESUS CHRIST the savior of all who accept/follow him.
This guy didn’t even realize God was using him to ask questions we’ve all asked in our minds but never gotten answers to, until the preacher teacher explained it. Again, proof that God can use the ungodly for His good! ❤
This video is like 20 years old. The Christian guy is a professional debater, this professor has a teacher job, it's like a trial lawyer with 100 trials going against a new lawyer. Why is this professor so emotional? Professional atheist debaters don't get like that. This guy debates mostly children and here an amateur who has is not even speaking his native language. Can't you see a used car salesman?
@@faceplayart7627 Christian is a professional debater, teacher is an amateur. Teacher is smart, but doesn't know how to debate, including checking his emotions.
@@joecheffo5942 the teacher i think is definitely not an atheist. The way he speaks says he believes in Jesus but also believes that some scriptures in the bible is not from god but altered by human beings that was his entire point
The bible warned us about people like this professor. He came in with the idea of demonstrating that GOD is unjust, contradictory and a murderer and that the followers of JESUS should deny HIM. He tried to use intimidation tactics as well but it did not work as the host is well vested in his faith and the knowledge of the bible. May THE CREATOR of all things, GOD ALMIGHTY, continues to strengthen HIS children. I pray that this professor finds GOD in JESUS Name.
Thank for the "Thomases"and for the "Ethiest professor" -Some questions arise and require answers. Probably the professor was a very devoted Christian at one point who lost faith because of those texts in the Bible or circumstances in his life. The worst trials are when satan uses Bible verses to justify that God is evil. You also have to look and consider the Covenants those verses are . All of them are under the Old Covenant ....Israel's experience is to be for our learning. Do not put up with sin or mix the Word of God with Faith ....
Honestly, this was a good debate. The man came with real questions and they had a dialogue. Yes they shouted between one another, but at the end of the day the quest was for truth and understanding. It wasn't to prove one side was greater than the other. You can see that they both saw that at the end with a hug. Heated debate, yes. Attacking one's character, no.
Yea seriously. It’s the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. If you dont put your trust in God and put it in yourself, you will be torn to and fro, ever learning but never coming to an understanding of the Truth. It’s one of the reasons why i know God’s grace is real because i used to be like that professor.
My answer to that would be this. He sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. He didn't have to. But as John 3:16 says he sent to so that whoever believes in him wouldn't perish so my question to atheists is this like they ask us why would my God and yours do this for us. He is God he can do what he wants but he chooses to save us. Why?
Is it evil to kill all living things in a city? Is it evil to take only virgins as slaves and kill all non-virgins? Is it evil to kill babies and infants? If it isn't evil, please justify your position.
@@mesafamily5830 So, it isn't moral to kill babies, infants, take virgin slaves? So why does your god command humans to do something that his creatures find immoral? Either, our morality is higher than your god's or your god is morally bankrupt.
There was no need to study the hebrew. In the Bible, seeing the nakedness of a man means having sex with his wife, which is a sin condemned by God, we can find that in Leviticus 18. I am sure the atheist professor would agree that doing something like that is worthy of a curse. Canaan was most likely the product of that forbidden relationship.
@@JefferyBogue While Ham is biblically described as the ancestor of several peoples who lived in Africa and the Near East, there is no scientific or historical evidence to conclusively link him with all African nations. The Table of Nations provides a theological and cultural framework for ancient Israel’s understanding of world geography, but modern genetics and anthropology do not support a direct lineage from Ham to all African people. The idea is rooted in biblical tradition but lacks concrete proof beyond ancient textual interpretations.
I've started reading - or listening, while at work - to the Bible, and that surprised me. Abraham argued God all the way down to what? Five families? And the whole way, God never got impatient or exasperated with him. Never thought he was being too demanding or too presumptuous. Infinite patience and understanding for his faithful.
@@3Antimasonicparty3 is it not in the Bible? Same with Lot in the Sodom story. Why did his wife have to die when it was Lot that slept with his two daughters? And they were the ones that got him drunk so that they can do the nasty.
Every body wants to blame God. We don’t see people blaming Satan?! We don’t see people blaming their free will and that people turn away from God and reject Him. People don’t blame sin and how people want to hold own to their little sins instead of repenting . Ain’t that kinda interesting ?
It's hardly surprising. It's John 3:19. People will cuss at God but they won't judge themselves. Ultimately , 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 opinion on the matter will the one on the bottom line ? They are always rebellious towards "the God of 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 Bible" 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 He 𝘪𝘴 Judge. They want to sin but they don't want judgement for sin. They'd even rather conjure up "the universe" as their god ! No judgements ! Love and Law go together. Jesus is NOT the lovey-dovey socialist hippie that these people want Him to be.
@@MrEass Mocking a holy God who created you and died to save you is not good. Not one of us is good..Not one. That is why we need a Savior. God is incapable of evil and he is not to be mocked. But he is a loving Father, King, Ruler, Priest and the ultimate righteous Judge. If I was you and I mean this with all sincerity I would repent of your comment. When you speak in an open environment such as this where others can be influenced, you better speak the truth with love.
He is absolutely right about Ham seeing his father naked represented something sexual in nature, but with his mother. Perhaps a rape of his mother. That why God cursed him.
This was a master class performance by Cliff he was obviously led by the holy Spirit to have patience with an aggressive man opposing his view to lay out and answer many hard questions about the Old and New testament he never lost his cool and in the end it was all respect where is when they started their conversation there was a lack of respect. Cliff's get a slam dunking it he allowed God to speak through him and I'm sure he touched many people listening in Jesus name
Cliff loses his cool when he has a real opponent, not a child or a first time atheist debater who can barely speak English or keep his emotions in check. Here he debates Matt Dillihunty, another professional debater. th-cam.com/video/aAg3H1LU1Yw/w-d-xo.html
Did we watch the same video? He didn’t answer ANY of the hard questions 😂. He kept purposely going around the very on point point the professor was making. You can tell Cliff lost this debate and his cool. Watch the video again, and this time, objectively.
Isn't that the core of the problem? You are not allowed to question god. You have to believe he is all good, just and unchanging while your bible shows he is an immoral monster in the OT.
If this god is real he is incompetent and dumb by reasonable standards. The dude has no problem solving skills and just look to have something or someone to blame for his own inadequacy!
He also warned about evil and wickedness and high places! He also warned a vipers in the church! All of his divinity! We are all sinners by nature! It is but through the blood of Christ that we have a chance of grace! Everyone must understand that we serve a loving and jealous God, a vengeful God ! And we will all be judged! This is inevitable. May God’s blessings be on you all
@@crisjunfan2139 well, the video is titled as such.but maybe the poster of the video assumed it by his language, or maybe it is known by the poster of the video, and you made some assumptions because it’s not explicitly said in the video by him. Either way he’s the antagonist of the biblical God, and therefore the Christian worldview.
Atheist know more about your Bible is what it shows. Just like slavery, Exodus 21 clearly states “how” to get slaves..God or Jesus NEVER condemns slavery..
@@Del-Martinez-video titles are just clickbait. They mean nothing. The words that come out of a person’s mouth are what matter. So if assumptions were made they were made by you. You are free to call him an antagonist of God if you like but you’re not free to label him an atheist. As a Christ-follower it’s important to tell the truth, to be accurate, and not to misrepresent people unfairly or without direct knowledge. I think Cliff would agree.
@@crisjunfan2139 whether you call it click bait or not, it will guide a person’s assumptions, he didn’t state what he was, you and I are making assumptions about his particular worldview. Yours is less supported by the title of the video,…click bait or not
This professor brought up a lot of my issues when I was a young child I appreciate his honesty and I break for him having a new heart and a new mind so that he too would be saved
I was reading the comments, and someone called God an "immortal monster." I have heard it and read it before. But, I want still taken aback by the statement. How so many people don't realize how loving and wonderful God truly is. Non-believers judge God from an imperfect perception of God clouded by the love of their sin. God promises perfection at the end on our lives for eternity. And people mock and scoff at it. I cannot help but pity anyone who refuses God's free gift of salvation for an eternity of loveless darkness in Hell. For any nonbelievers ready this, I explore you please 🙏 take the time to find out if God is real for yourself. Your immortal soul hangs in the balance. Choosing God is choice you will never regret. God bless.
I find it funny how people say " Your Book and Your God " , sorry to burst YOUR bubble Athiests and all non believers of Jesus Christ ✝️, he is YOUR God and its YOUR book too and just because you choose to DENY him wont change the outcome of your choice on earth when you stand befor him on judgement day. Good luck
Perfectly said!!! At the end of the day that is reality whether they like it or not!! I was going to comment but I can't improve on your thought. So... 👍👍👍👍👍👍💯%
There is no judgment day. I am already condemned for not following Jesus according to your religion. There is no judgement for you because Jesus already died for your sins. There is no accountability, justice or morality on Christianity. Just (repent and) follow Jesus and you will recieve your get-free-out-of-jail card into heaven. I am OK with going to hell if god is real because that immoral monster isn't worthy of my worship. Being with him for eternity would be a punishment.
This is the absolute BEST debate I have EVER watched! Two great minds, yet the Victory goes to Jesus Christ! Once again, Cliffe used his intense study and masterful wielding of our Two-Edged Sword to execute his God-given gift of apologetics. Bravo Cliffe! I was riveted during the entire discourse. That is what can happen when we too rightly divide and study the Word. These debates humble me and motivate me to study more! I know that the Word of God will not return void and I pray that this professor will reexamine his hostilities towards our God of the Bible and be saved! Just look at Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus! I feel so much love toward this professor and do not wish that he perishes. I pray that his blinders are removed by the Holy Spirit and that He come to repentance. In Jesus' Name, Amen
Nice debate and I understand this professor when he talks about the God of the old testament when God ordered someone to be killed , but God always has a reason to exterminate someone but God always warned , always before God act . The best part of this debate was the hug they gave at the end 👏👏👏
I am a simple man. My reply to him is simply that ALL people belong to Him. He has the supreme right to place those souls in whatever existence He so chooses in accordance with His Devine judgement. You might not approve of how that is done, but rest assured it is according to His plan and to an end that is beyond our understanding. It is all to His glory!
The man said in the spirit of Christ, yet he quoted old testament before the fulfilling of the scripture. We as humans live within time yet we focus on the past as if it was today and by doing so we give the past a great injustice and condemn all cultures and all morality of man thousands of years ago...this professor is quite foolish using his modern logic to state morality 2000 years ago. What is beautiful is that the creator of all meets us where we are at without compromise. And yes my brother you are right, humility is the first sign of wisdom and as a man that understands humility.....who is he that can council God and can understand the thoughts of God! We are but ants and even ants know their duties without the aid of an "overseer or ruler". This man has proclaimed (professed) himself wise to become a fool. Professed- professor- profession....when a man specializes in one thing he may focus until he is foolish in many other things.
@@eddieadams4770may the LORD put you and anyone like yourself to shame by the blood of the Lamb JESUSCHRIST, may you be found a liar and humbled in front of the congregation. Amen
Atheists just aren't thinking big enough. If you wanna accuse God of genocide, isn't God capable of keeping every person who ever died alive ? But wouldn't he also be responsible for giving everyone the gift of life....if he's God of course. .....and he is. Peace and love in Jesus Christ God bless you all.
Yeah, they are limiting their thinking. God is responsible for life and death. He decides that and He said the wages of sin is death. To be honest, we are all in a "flood" in essence....just a slow moving flood but it's coming.
I’m an atheist. That professor is the best advert for Christianity I’ve ever seen. A walking own goal in action. Professors are so in love with the sound of their own voice, even when it sounds horrific.
An Atheist does not believe in a God, or gods, or deities. If you have no belief in God, why concern yourself with the effects of one who believes? You will always have a choice, until the end of your life.
@@grampysays Because religious people have a lot of control over non-believers rights by controlling the government. Ironically, didn't you just take choice away from women? And didn't you want to take if from gay people? So blind it's ridiculous.
Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
I'm shocked at the lack of excitement this debate between two titans obtained in the comments! Yes the professor is an atheist but, you cant say he did not have a good understanding of the topic at hand. I really appreciate it when someone like Cliff has to dig deeper to defend his point because those are the moments that really grab the audience and help us to understand! I thoroughly enjoyed this debate (Cliff won but, it was no cake walk for him and was a treat to see and learn from)!
Well, the bible itself disproves a lot of Christian claims, like god being all good, just, unchanging and the standard of morality (which is claimed to be absolute/objective).
All I have to say to the professor: trust in the Lord with all thy heart and do not lean on your own understanding in all thy way acknowledge him and he will make your path straight. STOP LEANING ON YOUR UNDERSTAND PROFESSOR!!!😊
@@haitaelpastor976 Oh you can question God believe me God can handle anything we measly, sinful beings can throw at Him. Question Him all you want because He already knows your heart. He knows everything there is to know about mankind. You can’t shock or surprise God. We are lying, backstabbing ungrateful traitors but we are still the objects of God’s affection. If we choose to follow ourselves and Satan, then because God is a just God, we will face His wrath. Hey we earned that. Hmm which do I want; God’s grace , love and mercy or His wrath for being an unloving , backstabbing traitor to Him and my neighbors, hmm.
Exactly, evidence of a God. Nothin wrong with stealing, murd.., etc. If we are all a big accident. There is no objective right or wrong. But we know there is, ✝️❤️ praise Jesus. Glory to God
His arguing and yelling just exposes Satan. Satan is the author of all of the crazy things that professor spouted. Satan hates God and what better opportunity to come after God than to challenge a man of God in front of an audience. What is so sad is the professor is being used by Satan and all of Satan’s efforts are futile. Jesus Christ has already defeated Satan when He conquered death and resurrected from the dead. So all Satan can do is try and get as many gullible naive people who are out of the arch of safety in Jesus Christ to go to hell with him. I tell everyone, don’t be collateral damage and go to hell with Satan in his futile war against God; get on God’s side, the winning side.
Because this book, about which you seem to defend, has created so much uneccesasy suffering and confusion. The point here is that you have to ignore or poorly defend an immoral god.
@@dwolfcoach again ur upset over a God u don't believe exists and u still believe what he's done to be immoral. There is no such thing as good or evil right and wrong. It's just your subjective taste So Stop crying.
It would much be like you being upset over a loved one joining a cult where its members worship a seemingly nonexistent being who tells them to do irrational things.
@@dippindotdave5611 If he was doing that, he wouldn't be trying to talk over Cliff so much. All of his questions have answers, and Cliff is more than capable of answering them.
@johnnybgoode2484 I mean it's not like cliff has a calm demeanor during this debate. Both get heated and into the debate but to call out one side without calling out the other is asinine. Is the Bible the word of God? Is the bible 100% true to every word? Is the Christian god a good and benevolent god? If those are true, then how can one condone the bible or the Christian god? Three logical and true statements/questions, with a contradictory answer. Either the premises are incorrect or the conclusion is incorrect. It's simple logic statements. Cliff never answered.
@@dippindotdave5611 Cliff has shown consistently that he is very skilled at being a respectful debater. This guy was more concerned about winning than hearing answers to his many questions. It's not so much a matter of the subject matter as much as it's about being respectful. The professor was not. End of story.
This is a common apologetical and theological question of confusion. The answer is actually found in Leviticus 18, we find that “Uncover Nakedness” was a colloquialism for having sex and Noah’s nakedness would have referred to his wife. And in the original Hebrew the verse in Gen 9 says the feminine referring to “her tent”, meaning that Ham slept with his mother. And Canaan was cursed because it was Ham and his mother’s bastard child. We also see some common Genesis time compression here, because Canaan was likely not born yet.
Yes, just one of many many ignorant misunderstandings that this bully espouses. He thinks he is smart, but he never bothered to find real answers…and so he keeps changing the subject
Wow! Great job Cliffe! So encouraging to see the debate style so raw and still so respectful. Many people can learn so much from this debate as well as the style it was done.
Jibrish and same foolishness re-pair-ed and breaks down as soon as you get it out 😢of the shop??? 🔥 enjoy 😉 your unbelief now....smoked pork later!!!(John 3:36)(Romans 1:18)
If you will notice they always start yelling to drown out the truth being spoken. One of the ways you can tell that it's demonic in nature. They can't stand the Gospel being preached. I contend there are very few true atheists, if you truly believe there is no God, then you really wouldn't care what someone else believes, you would just think they are idiots not worth your time.
@@johnl4933I guess you are not John the Baptist 😂. Easiest way to find living God is in the Bible and praying in the name of Jesus. Good luck and God bless ❤
@@chack4845 You do realize that what you wrote just looked like a pile of nonsense. We atheists don't believe in your god or Jesus ... so you're saying to pray to something we have no beliefs in.
I have seen this "person" that just went to the university to learn the Bible and for him to do this. Don't worry, let's see what he is going to say the day GOD will ask him. He is a "professor" at the Florida Iternational University in Miami. On the other hand, Gob bless this brave child of God.
As a believer and follower of Christ, this is one of many videos that Mr. Knechtle has released that is well worth studying and learning from. Thank you, Cliffe!
I was extremely happy that although they debated and disagreed; in the end they shook hands and embraced one another. That is the essence of Christ and brotherly love.
If you claim to be a Christian you should be able to have an answer for the hope that we have. Was Paul a menace. Yes at one time he was. But all of his questions were answered. Can you imagine this professor if he became a real Christian?
Wow what a small world. That man was my professor. I didn’t agree with his theological teachings but I can give him credit for being a great professor. He taught World Religions with a lot of knowledge and it helped me appreciate to teach religions from an academic perspective in my middle school and high school classes. But again I agree with the Christian speaker who did a phenomenal job and I’m just glad the two had a passionate but healthy debate. They respected one another without putting each other down and that is how it should be done. The Christian debater is clearly very knowledgeable and God-Honoring and that is a great way to evangelize the Gospel.
The guy arguing with Cliffe obviously doesn't know anything about rightly dividing the word of truth as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15. When you rightly divide the word of truth it eliminates all the so called contradictions that are in the bible.
aka when you make things up and ignore the parts you don't like, you can pretend there are no contradictions in the bible. curious how that works out. Here's a simple question if there are no contradictions: does this god punish people for what others do or not?
@@velkyn1 says: *aka when you make things up and ignore the parts you don't like, you can pretend there are no contradictions in the bible.* I'm not making things up and I am not ignoring any part of the bible I don't like because I don't have any part of the bible that I don't like in the first place. So, I am not pretending that there are no contradictions in the bible because there are no contradictions in the bible. *curious how that works out.* I don't see things working out in accordance to what you are saying. *Here's a simple question if there are no contradictions: does this god punish people for what others do or not?* God punishes everyone specifically and individually for their own sins. The effects of sin itself outside of God's punishment however causes its problems for everyone in general and is not just focused upon a specific individual like a punishment is.
“ Now the serpent was more cunning than any other beast of the field which the Lord God has made.” Satan is more cunning than man so he influences man to do evil. We need the power of the Holy Spirit ( God) to help us discern Satan and the Holy Spirit will drive him out. We need God’s power to keep us safe from the influence of Satan. No one can defeat Satan but God.
Simple thing just came to mind when I heard the debater say at 17:40 “I have freedom in Christ to reject some of these commandments” …. did not Jesus say “If you love me you will follow my commandments.” I pray to find the right words to speak to anyone that question morality and how God is good when we are not. Of course we all at first are going try justify ourselves because to not would be having to admit sin and submit to a Holy Righteous God that has the right to punish us. (The wonderful thing is it so worth it) God is a loving God as well!
@@wma5440 Yeah, God is omnipotent, he can do whatever he wants. And him being omnibenevolent, how does that fit with taking lives just because he feels it and because "I'm the creator so shut up".
@@haitaelpastor976Absolute monarchs and dictators are human beings not God. Monarchs and dictators come under the authority of God and God will pass judgment on those who think they are Him. “ God is not a man that he should lie. Nor a son of man that He should repent. Has He said and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? “ Numbers 23:19. You can’t judge God using your unrighteous standards. God is better than we are and we need to humble ourselves before Him.
What this challenger to Cliffe essentially did was blame God for the misinterpretation and misapplication of His word. It would be like criticising Mozart for someone playing any one of his symphonies incorrectly or poorly. We must seek to understand God’s word through the Spirit, not self-worship and judge it as if we know better.
No. You're wrong. The professor is presenting a valid challenge. He didn't misinterpret anything. Is God commanded genocide moral. It's a valid question.
@@Avery-Mac you might start there with the question, but when you come out the other side realising that God is the definition of goodness, you realise to even question Him is self-idolatry. It represents the defiant and prideful condition of humanity as we continually shake the fist in His direction. The atheist position appears to me as one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Critical of God for not dealing with evil, and critical when He does. It speaks to the heart of man; deceitful and wicked above all things (Jeremiah 17:9). Everything God does is consistent with His character. What you call genocide or murder is God’s moral judgement, and He is the ultimate judge in meeting out His perfect Law. You also need to start with an understanding of what murder is; the unjustified taking of human life. God is justified in all things, therefore cannot commit murder. But a human? Oh yes, completely unjustified if doing these things in their own power.
@Redeemer_80 In Gen 18 Abram questioned God's judgment in the destruction of Sodom. Would you call that idolostrous? He even changed God's decision. Abram asked, "Would you destroy the righteous with the wicked?" What if you committed a crime all by your self. Would it be right if the police locked up you and your children? Abram questioned God. I believe it's ok for us to ask these questions as well.
@@Avery-Mac I think you’ve taken my use of the expression “to question Him” to mean to ask questions, which is not quite what I’d intended. I mean more in the context of “doubting”. Asking questions to seek understanding is good. But doubting Him is not. My view on your example of Abraham and the destruction of Sodom takes me to a different outcome than you also. I don’t believe Abraham changed God’s mind at all. God knew full well Abraham would not find anyone righteous so went along with Abraham’s plea to show him that God was right in His judgement, demonstrated ultimately with Sodom’s destruction. Your last point brings man into the equation again. Let’s not conflate the actions of man with God. God’s judgment has the benefit of seeing all outcomes across all time, as He is not bound by it. Who am I, the creation, to question the creator. Job was told that message quite clearly.
@@Redeemer_80 Job and Abraham clearly had different outcomes. Job was "squashed" for asking questions. Abraham managed to alter God's decision and save his nephew Lot. Abraham asks God not to slay the righteous with the wicked. He reminds God of how "unjust" that would be (Gen 18:25). If God was doing as you say (just going along with Abraham's plea), then God was being disingenuous. God should have said "you are wrong Abraham and you can't alter my decision." The professor's question is, is it just to slay the innocent with the sinners? How are the children (infants, newborns, etc) of the sinners guilty? Is it moral to kill them as well. Also, to kill all the animals too? What did they do?
I have faith that anything written in the Bible is righteous and true and even if I don't understand some of it doesn't mean it's not true. Satan will relentlessly give everyone cause to be unsure of the truth.
Mans death is already a judgement by itself, infant or adult. God is not under moral judgement for ending the lives of His creation. He is the giver and the taker of life.
I agree everything that lives will die, so God wants us to focus on how we live. Do we live loving Him and our neighbors or do we live hating Him and everyone else? Our journey through life matters because it will determine our destination in death.
@@zombee38 I don't worry at all. In your world view, your god created me an atheist. He/it hasn't provided me with evidence for him/it being real. I don't believe in something on blind faith. I'm not that gullible ... and, in your world view, your god knows that.
So that justifies anything. How do you know Hitler was not God's agent? Why save people during a flood? Doesn't God send floods? It's you guys who have no way of knowing good from evil.
I like what Cliffe said about experiencing the trustworthiness of Christ. The Bible says things that are hard for us to understand, believe or accept sometimes. The professor makes it sound like it is idolatrous to not question those things, and he has a point. People have used religious texts and their interpretations to justify all manner of evil that they want to accomplish. The professor's definition of a Christian fails to rise to the level of being actually aware that one is a sinner and who Jesus is, God incarnate, and what He accomplished by living a sinless life, dying on the cross and rising again. It would be nice if the professor took a moment to suspend judging the Bible and realize it judges mankind, and him, and to accept the loving provision of God in Jesus as remedy for his sin that it reveals.
The “New Atheists “ are very angry at G-d. They are under the impression that we, as mere humans, should be able to unerstand G-d and his actions 100%. The Bible says “G-d’s ways are higher than our ways”. He is G-d and can Judge correctly, where as we see things in a limited fashion. He who created all things seen and unseen can judge correctly. Us….not so much.
You can't be mad at something you don't believe in. I am not mad at god, because I do not believe he is real. What I am mad at is the followers of religion who pick and choose what they want from whichever book they follow and use it as a justification to do sh*tty things.
This should prove to college students that many of their professors sound like they have it all figured out but in reality when countered by a more intelligent person, they crumble like the Walls of Jericho. Way to go Cliff, mop up on aisle 5.
I didn't see the Professor crumble to Cliffs evasive and vague retorts. Rambling about how good God is and how consistent the bible is was rather defensive and cringeworthy.
Too high on emotion this debate. The professor obviously believe his intelligence and moral compass is above the WISDOM of God. Just because you do not understand fully the point and context of the Bible, doesn’t mean your smarter than our Sovereign God. 1 Corinthians 1:25 “The foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.”. GOD is JUST and He sees the bigger picture and deeper in our hearts than we can ever fathom, and His wisdom is INFINITE. What are we, but His mere creation. Romans 11:33: "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"Amen.
@@truthgiver8286The belief of proof ultimately lies upon you, assuming you're an atheist he objectively can't, inspired by the hardening within your being it's impossible. God to you is dead, but that's not the case. Essentially proving God is something only for someone's own belief.
@@apreiyz8618 The hardening within my being no I think it is more to do with the softening within your head. When you prove something you provide irreputable evidence You may have accepted belief in god but you have not proved it to yourself or anyone.
Sir Cliff you are so brilliantly counter these CRITICS against the God of the Bible. I pray that God will blessed and annointing you richly with the power of the Holy Spirit where you can go from one place to another place to defend the Bible.
People who don't believe in God will keep questioning and keep continuing their unbelieving ways. Will the professor be a believer after this? No one but God knows.
The professor who argued against some of the acts in the name of God has really been a genuine seeker....with his knowledge of asian religions ....God does reveal Him self to every genuine seeker IN HIS TIME....our Christian friend should really be appreciated ,I presume that St. Peter 'd 've been more glad if only he had 1Peter 3:15 in mind 😊with more softness (smile) and gentleness...❤
This is a common point of confusion in apologetics and theology. The answer can be found in Leviticus 18, where the phrase 'uncover nakedness' is a colloquialism for engaging in sexual relations. In the context of Noah’s story, 'Noah’s nakedness' would have referred to his wife. In the original Hebrew, the verse in Genesis 9 uses the feminine form, referring to 'her tent,' indicating that Ham had sexual relations with his mother. As a result, Canaan was cursed because he was the illegitimate child of Ham and his mother. Additionally, there appears to be some time compression in Genesis, as Canaan was likely not yet born at the time of the event.
Now this is an answer that people should be looking in to but I didn’t hear anyone bring up the Hebrew but Cliffe. And you just delved deeper! Fantastic! Thanks for the reference! Appreciate the insight for the context! God bless you!
Yeah, I agree, but the language in Genesis is too cryptic to decisively draw that conclusion. Personally, I think this is what happened, but it's not a slam dunk.
@@pyrology101 Why so cryptic? An omnipotent omniscient God sure would know how (and want) his message to be crystal clear. He's playing a sick game with us.
@@haitaelpastor976 He(GOD) wants us to SEEK after Him. SEEK after Truth. That means study to find the truth. So you know what you are talking about when you tell someone else about it. If you seek it will be crystal clear.
Praise God this man is really trying to find him to be wrong but this man of God did his study and reading Holy spirit lives in him God bless him and continue useing him in JESUS CHRIST name amen
"I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to answer." Throws out a laundry list of questions. - Atheist "Okay, I'm happy to answer. Let's take a look at some of your premises..." - Cliff "YOU CONDONE MURDER! NOW I'M GOING TO SPEND 3 MINUTES SHOUTING AT YOU." - Atheist Btw, many interpreters do not leave "saw his Father's nakedness" as a simple visual glance. Some have suggested there was either there was some kind of sexual molestation, and others suggest it is possible that Ham slept with his mother (Noah's wife). There is a passage in Leviticus 22:10 that forbids a man from sleeping with his father's wife (his mother or stepmother) because it would "uncover his father's nakedness". It's basically the same phrase in both passages in Hebrew being used to describe how Ham failed to cover "his father's nakedness." Even if neither of those happened, it was still a very serious sin that a son thought his father's drunken nakedness was something to be joked about as a story spread around camp/the town. It would undermine Noah's authority as the family patriarch with the other sons, possibly planting seeds of rebellion in them. Either by disgracing his father in his brothers' eye or if he slept with his (step)mother, it would be a direct challenge to Noah's role as patriarch of the family and the bloodline of the God's chosen people, so yes, Ham's children would be cursed for this so that they would never be able to usurp the role of Shem in the Messiah's lineage. Bottom line: It's MUCH more than a son simply catching a glimpse of his father naked. We have to read this with understanding an ancient Hebrew would. This atheist professor is determined not to listen to Cliff's expertise on the matter and dismisses him as just making things up. Very intellectually dishonest.
@@cygnusustusthats why as a Christian i find the disingenuousness of the professor nauseating. He didnt use any context abd wasnt interested in the truth.
You are right, Cliffe always is. How dare he talk about morality when he believes Hitler is in heaven now if he repented and followed Jesus in the end.
@@KasperKatje love your enemies pray for those that curse you, can you say with any certainty that Jesus instruction highlighting a broad plan of salvation through love and mercy can't extend to even Hitler if he did in fact, repent and place his faith in Christ? Don't let such an assertion undermine your faith but rather, understand that God is love and that depth of his love, mercy, justice and wisdom far exceeds that which we can conceive. Lest you fall into the same trap the professor did, let God be God, and trust that he knows what he's doing. “If God would concede me His omnipotence for 24 hours, you would see how many changes I would make in the world. But if He gave me His wisdom too, I would leave things as they are.” ― J.M.L. Monsabre
We can have a passionate debate about anything. Opposing viewpoints makes us more human than we think, but embracing each other afterward is what brings us closer to God. Love and embrace are what God teaches us, and that professor showed it. May God guide him ❤️
What an amazing meat and potatoes debate about these fundamental principles found in the Bible and Jesus's teachings. This is the power of a college experience. BRAVO for that college for allowing this kind of discourse that ended in two men shaking hands. STUNNING video! I wish I was there to see it live.
GOD Does Not Tell Us Anything In The BIBLE That GOD HIMSELF Does Not Want Us To Know. Everything In The BIBLE Is There For A Very Good And GODLY Reason.✝️🙏🏼🧔🏽♀️
@@mirandahotspring4019 “Just like Cliff” Look up appeal to hypocrisy fallacy! Even if Cliff did use the same dishonest tactic it does not logically follow that the professor was right to just ignore relevant questions to push his own ideology. Look up the [TWO QUO QUAY FALLACY]. By the way, you just totally and utterly refuted your self!!
I wake up every morning and I am grateful that God didn't choke me at night for the things I did the previous day. How could I judge God as immoral? No way! Instead, God is full of mercy and grace. and I am forever grateful.
I'm sorry, but slavery is not anti-biblical. In fact, the Bible goes to Great lengths to clarify what is legal and what is not legal slavery. Can it be abused, of course, which is why there are so many laws concerning it. But how can something that has produced so much good in the saving of so many poor lives, be an evil? And if God decides to eradicate anyone, regardless of how He chooses to do it, that is His right. And people pay for the sins of their parents, as I have, as all of us have. It's actually what teaches us not to repeat those sins.
When scripture gets hard, we are commanded in Probverbs 3:5-6. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways, submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
Curse is a consequence of bad deed. If it happened, then you should learn from it. The bible explain itself. It would be confusing if the bible didn't write the story of Ham and Noah, and how curse went down to Canaan, Ham's son. People tend to overlook the meaning of "Nakedness of his Father ( Noah ), which if it led into curse, then we should have started to think there is terrible sins committed, instead of questioning God's authority. Bible wrote the story, the reason, the curse and the judgement upon Canaanites. That shows that the sins doesn't go unchecked and unpunished. No matter how long it past, it is still there and if we don't repent, we will face jugdement. This is what people overlook and try to ignore that God love us, God warn us and God is long suffering, and God is waiting and always want us to be saved. But we refuse to repent then you are going to face judgment. 400 years to wait until the sins of Amorites ripe. Did they repent? They didn't. So whoever you are, it is a call for you to repent too. Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Please do not judge hastely, I'm not trying to win an argument. But because we believe it is the truth and that God loves you and wants you to be saved.
As a Christian, I have always been uncomfortable with apologists that try to explain things that are very difficult for us to understand..I would saying "good question, I don't really know. I know God is loving and good but I don't have all the answers."
The conquest was called for because of the corruption of the seed line... The nakedness was not just being naked...He's using today's logic without understanding the older context
I love how they both shook hands and hugged upon conclusion of a passionate debate. This is what passionate discourse should look like in America. Prayers up for the professor’s soul. Praise to JESUS CHRIST the savior of all who accept/follow him.
100%
Totally agree with you. Was great to see.
Maybe staged?
@@BenWong-dt8zq Why stage it?
@@curiousgeorge555 I don't know I could be wrong. Genuine or fake reconciliation is always good to see.
Outstanding!! Cliffe is awesome! Pray for that professor and his students. And for Cliffe, he really gets The Word out!
This guy didn’t even realize God was using him to ask questions we’ve all asked in our minds but never gotten answers to, until the preacher teacher explained it.
Again, proof that God can use the ungodly for His good! ❤
This video is like 20 years old. The Christian guy is a professional debater, this professor has a teacher job, it's like a trial lawyer with 100 trials going against a new lawyer.
Why is this professor so emotional? Professional atheist debaters don't get like that. This guy debates mostly children and here an amateur who has is not even speaking his native language.
Can't you see a used car salesman?
@@joecheffo5942Nothing you said makes sense.
@@faceplayart7627 Christian is a professional debater, teacher is an amateur.
Teacher is smart, but doesn't know how to debate, including checking his emotions.
@@joecheffo5942brother if your gunna spread bs you might wanna let the Illuminati pay your first , don’t work for free ok :)
@@joecheffo5942 the teacher i think is definitely not an atheist. The way he speaks says he believes in Jesus but also believes that some scriptures in the bible is not from god but altered by human beings that was his entire point
The bible warned us about people like this professor. He came in with the idea of demonstrating that GOD is unjust, contradictory and a murderer and that the followers of JESUS should deny HIM. He tried to use intimidation tactics as well but it did not work as the host is well vested in his faith and the knowledge of the bible. May THE CREATOR of all things, GOD ALMIGHTY, continues to strengthen HIS children. I pray that this professor finds GOD in JESUS Name.
Proverbs 28
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the Lord understand all things
The judgement of the wicked is always at hand..
Thank for the "Thomases"and for the "Ethiest professor" -Some questions arise and require answers. Probably the professor was a very devoted Christian at one point who lost faith because of those texts in the Bible or circumstances in his life. The worst trials are when satan uses Bible verses to justify that God is evil. You also have to look and consider the Covenants those verses are . All of them are under the Old Covenant ....Israel's experience is to be for our learning. Do not put up with sin or mix the Word of God with Faith ....
Jesus told the Pharisees that their god was not his father. You’re clinging to traditions of men instead of the logos of God.
Do you think that Cliffe won the debate? I do not.
That was a great debate!
Good points from both sides!
But the Truth always prevails!
Truth = Jesus Christ
Honestly, this was a good debate. The man came with real questions and they had a dialogue. Yes they shouted between one another, but at the end of the day the quest was for truth and understanding. It wasn't to prove one side was greater than the other. You can see that they both saw that at the end with a hug. Heated debate, yes. Attacking one's character, no.
One way questioning.....the no God man is brutally coward to to be questioned that's why that's why he do the facing and becomes the instigator
I enjoyed that debate thoroughly too
Agreed
Atheists: “Why doesn’t your God do something about evil??”
Also atheists when God does something about evil: “Why would your God do this??”
Yea seriously. It’s the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. If you dont put your trust in God and put it in yourself, you will be torn to and fro, ever learning but never coming to an understanding of the Truth. It’s one of the reasons why i know God’s grace is real because i used to be like that professor.
My answer to that would be this. He sent his son Jesus to die for our sins. He didn't have to. But as John 3:16 says he sent to so that whoever believes in him wouldn't perish so my question to atheists is this like they ask us why would my God and yours do this for us. He is God he can do what he wants but he chooses to save us. Why?
Is it evil to kill all living things in a city? Is it evil to take only virgins as slaves and kill all non-virgins? Is it evil to kill babies and infants? If it isn't evil, please justify your position.
@@johnl4933It is not. Your morality is only based on your thoughts and ideas, not the Creator’s. It’s as simple as that
@@mesafamily5830 So, it isn't moral to kill babies, infants, take virgin slaves? So why does your god command humans to do something that his creatures find immoral?
Either, our morality is higher than your god's or your god is morally bankrupt.
Cliff: I studied that verse in Hebrew to understand it better
Profesor: you did what?? You’re justifying the Bible?!
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Ham is from the African country
There was no need to study the hebrew. In the Bible, seeing the nakedness of a man means having sex with his wife, which is a sin condemned by God, we can find that in Leviticus 18. I am sure the atheist professor would agree that doing something like that is worthy of a curse. Canaan was most likely the product of that forbidden relationship.
@@JefferyBogue While Ham is biblically described as the ancestor of several peoples who lived in Africa and the Near East, there is no scientific or historical evidence to conclusively link him with all African nations. The Table of Nations provides a theological and cultural framework for ancient Israel’s understanding of world geography, but modern genetics and anthropology do not support a direct lineage from Ham to all African people.
The idea is rooted in biblical tradition but lacks concrete proof beyond ancient textual interpretations.
@@SabbathDay that's debatable
Abraham’s conversation with God about Sodom is a great example of God’s Grace and God’s punishments
I've started reading - or listening, while at work - to the Bible, and that surprised me. Abraham argued God all the way down to what? Five families? And the whole way, God never got impatient or exasperated with him. Never thought he was being too demanding or too presumptuous. Infinite patience and understanding for his faithful.
@@DiZtheJedi the first time I read it, I laughed as if it were a son antagonizing his father. I read it again and I wept for days.
How come God got so upset with Isaac for not circumcising his son and Isaac’s wife had to save him from God’s wrath?
@@Adrienne-wv7qo how’s this relevant? Why do you ask?
@@3Antimasonicparty3 is it not in the Bible? Same with Lot in the Sodom story. Why did his wife have to die when it was Lot that slept with his two daughters? And they were the ones that got him drunk so that they can do the nasty.
Phenomenal job Pastor Cliffe; you are a beacon of light for those called to defend or give a reason for the faith in Christ we have.
Every body wants to blame God. We don’t see people blaming Satan?! We don’t see people blaming their free will and that people turn away from God and reject Him. People don’t blame sin and how people want to hold own to their little sins instead of repenting . Ain’t that kinda interesting ?
It's hardly surprising.
It's John 3:19.
People will cuss at God but they won't judge themselves.
Ultimately , 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 opinion on the matter will
the one on the bottom line ?
They are always rebellious towards "the God of 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 Bible"
𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 He 𝘪𝘴 Judge.
They want to sin but they don't want judgement for sin. They'd even rather conjure up "the universe" as their god ! No judgements !
Love and Law go together.
Jesus is NOT the lovey-dovey socialist hippie that these people want Him to be.
Amen - brother Billy.
Everyone wants to credit god for the good things humans do, why not give him credit for the evil things also?.... How convenient😂
Cliffe, when God instructed to kill everybody except for the virgins..what does that mean?
@@MrEass Mocking a holy God who created you and died to save you is not good. Not one of us is good..Not one. That is why we need a Savior. God is incapable of evil and he is not to be mocked. But he is a loving Father, King, Ruler, Priest and the ultimate righteous Judge. If I was you and I mean this with all sincerity I would repent of your comment. When you speak in an open environment such as this where others can be influenced, you better speak the truth with love.
At least they were able to shake hands, hug, and depart with a level of respect.
yeah it was a good ending 👍
Yes, and it was a tough, but respectful discussion.
I know the Bible pretty well but I always learn something listening to this guy
Yeah!!!!!
Same here
He is absolutely right about Ham seeing his father naked represented something sexual in nature, but with his mother. Perhaps a rape of his mother. That why God cursed him.
Me too
@@LoveGOD-LovePeople777 You don't know her well, don't flatter yourself
This was a master class performance by Cliff he was obviously led by the holy Spirit to have patience with an aggressive man opposing his view to lay out and answer many hard questions about the Old and New testament he never lost his cool and in the end it was all respect where is when they started their conversation there was a lack of respect. Cliff's get a slam dunking it he allowed God to speak through him and I'm sure he touched many people listening in Jesus name
Cliff loses his cool when he has a real opponent, not a child or a first time atheist debater who can barely speak English or keep his emotions in check.
Here he debates Matt Dillihunty, another professional debater.
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Did we watch the same video? He didn’t answer ANY of the hard questions 😂. He kept purposely going around the very on point point the professor was making. You can tell Cliff lost this debate and his cool. Watch the video again, and this time, objectively.
23:55 AI voice loses sanity for a split second xD
😂😂
God created them. He can judge them. This guy doesn't think he's a sinner. And that he's smarter than God. Who is man to question God.
Isn't that the core of the problem? You are not allowed to question god.
You have to believe he is all good, just and unchanging while your bible shows he is an immoral monster in the OT.
A bronze age wargod is a terrible example of how to lead a good and kind life .
@@KasperKatje immoral according to who's standard.
@@KasperKatje how can you say that god in the bible are immoral? and why do you care if it is so?
If this god is real he is incompetent and dumb by reasonable standards. The dude has no problem solving skills and just look to have something or someone to blame for his own inadequacy!
He also warned about evil and wickedness and high places! He also warned a vipers in the church!
All of his divinity!
We are all sinners by nature!
It is but through the blood of Christ that we have a chance of grace!
Everyone must understand that we serve a loving and jealous God, a vengeful God !
And we will all be judged! This is inevitable.
May God’s blessings be on you all
An atheist quoting the Bible to validate his beliefs is an absolute oxymoron
He didn’t say he was an atheist. Only that his understanding of God rejects the passages that has God commanding genocide.
@@crisjunfan2139 well, the video is titled as such.but maybe the poster of the video assumed it by his language, or maybe it is known by the poster of the video, and you made some assumptions because it’s not explicitly said in the video by him. Either way he’s the antagonist of the biblical God, and therefore the Christian worldview.
Atheist know more about your Bible is what it shows. Just like slavery, Exodus 21 clearly states “how” to get slaves..God or Jesus NEVER condemns slavery..
@@Del-Martinez-video titles are just clickbait. They mean nothing. The words that come out of a person’s mouth are what matter. So if assumptions were made they were made by you. You are free to call him an antagonist of God if you like but you’re not free to label him an atheist. As a Christ-follower it’s important to tell the truth, to be accurate, and not to misrepresent people unfairly or without direct knowledge. I think Cliff would agree.
@@crisjunfan2139 whether you call it click bait or not, it will guide a person’s assumptions, he didn’t state what he was, you and I are making assumptions about his particular worldview. Yours is less supported by the title of the video,…click bait or not
This professor brought up a lot of my issues when I was a young child I appreciate his honesty and I break for him having a new heart and a new mind so that he too would be saved
I was reading the comments, and someone called God an "immortal monster." I have heard it and read it before. But, I want still taken aback by the statement. How so many people don't realize how loving and wonderful God truly is. Non-believers judge God from an imperfect perception of God clouded by the love of their sin. God promises perfection at the end on our lives for eternity. And people mock and scoff at it.
I cannot help but pity anyone who refuses God's free gift of salvation for an eternity of loveless darkness in Hell.
For any nonbelievers ready this, I explore you please 🙏 take the time to find out if God is real for yourself. Your immortal soul hangs in the balance.
Choosing God is choice you will never regret.
God bless.
I love how they hugged at the end. I pray that professor finds Christ.
And I pray Joe Pesci to make Cliffe stop being delusional.
It goes both ways.
Amen, praise Jesus✝️❤️
I pray cliffe finds atheism before its too late.
U pray to whom? Ur gay partner?@@looks-human
@arai6147 prays to the demons in his head maybe.
I find it funny how people say " Your Book and Your God " , sorry to burst YOUR bubble Athiests and all non believers of Jesus Christ ✝️, he is YOUR God and its YOUR book too and just because you choose to DENY him wont change the outcome of your choice on earth when you stand befor him on judgement day. Good luck
Perfectly said!!! At the end of the day that is reality whether they like it or not!! I was going to comment but I can't improve on your thought. So... 👍👍👍👍👍👍💯%
There is no judgment day. I am already condemned for not following Jesus according to your religion.
There is no judgement for you because Jesus already died for your sins.
There is no accountability, justice or morality on Christianity.
Just (repent and) follow Jesus and you will recieve your get-free-out-of-jail card into heaven.
I am OK with going to hell if god is real because that immoral monster isn't worthy of my worship. Being with him for eternity would be a punishment.
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@@KasperKatje there is accountability.
Well no. And how can I CHOOSE to DENY him if I don't even believe he exists? By that logic you know Zeus is god but you choose to deny him
I have so much respect for Cliff!! It takes a lot of patience and a lot of effort to overcome peoples non-belief. ❤ God strengthen this man!
This is the absolute BEST debate I have EVER watched!
Two great minds, yet the Victory goes to Jesus Christ!
Once again, Cliffe used his intense study and masterful wielding of our Two-Edged Sword to execute his God-given gift of apologetics.
Bravo Cliffe! I was riveted during the entire discourse.
That is what can happen when we too rightly divide and study the Word.
These debates humble me and motivate me to study more!
I know that the Word of God will not return void and I pray that this professor will reexamine his hostilities towards our God of the Bible and be saved!
Just look at Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus!
I feel so much love toward this professor and do not wish that he perishes. I pray that his blinders are removed by the Holy Spirit and that He come to repentance.
In Jesus' Name,
Amen
Absolutely beautifully Well done well structured Excellent application Well Answered I am so proud of you Clif. Well done 🙏🙇👏👏
Nice debate and I understand this professor when he talks about the God of the old testament when God ordered someone to be killed , but God always has a reason to exterminate someone but God always warned , always before God act . The best part of this debate was the hug they gave at the end 👏👏👏
I am a simple man. My reply to him is simply that ALL people belong to Him. He has the supreme right to place those souls in whatever existence He so chooses in accordance with His Devine judgement. You might not approve of how that is done, but rest assured it is according to His plan and to an end that is beyond our understanding. It is all to His glory!
The man said in the spirit of Christ, yet he quoted old testament before the fulfilling of the scripture. We as humans live within time yet we focus on the past as if it was today and by doing so we give the past a great injustice and condemn all cultures and all morality of man thousands of years ago...this professor is quite foolish using his modern logic to state morality 2000 years ago. What is beautiful is that the creator of all meets us where we are at without compromise. And yes my brother you are right, humility is the first sign of wisdom and as a man that understands humility.....who is he that can council God and can understand the thoughts of God! We are but ants and even ants know their duties without the aid of an "overseer or ruler". This man has proclaimed (professed) himself wise to become a fool. Professed- professor- profession....when a man specializes in one thing he may focus until he is foolish in many other things.
You're just saying the book is true because the book says it's true. A non-starter.
Proverbs 28
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things
@@eddieadams4770may the LORD put you and anyone like yourself to shame by the blood of the Lamb JESUSCHRIST, may you be found a liar and humbled in front of the congregation. Amen
Calvinism😭
Atheists just aren't thinking big enough.
If you wanna accuse God of genocide, isn't God capable of keeping every person who ever died alive ?
But wouldn't he also be responsible for giving everyone the gift of life....if he's God of course.
.....and he is.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
God bless you all.
Yeah, they are limiting their thinking. God is responsible for life and death. He decides that and He said the wages of sin is death. To be honest, we are all in a "flood" in essence....just a slow moving flood but it's coming.
Yeah. Its coming. Lets pray for everyone @@jtremaine23
@@jtremaine23
On point.
I’m an atheist. That professor is the best advert for Christianity I’ve ever seen. A walking own goal in action. Professors are so in love with the sound of their own voice, even when it sounds horrific.
An Atheist does not believe in a God, or gods, or deities. If you have no belief in God, why concern yourself with the effects of one who believes? You will always have a choice, until the end of your life.
Where's the own goal?
@@grampysays Because religious people have a lot of control over non-believers rights by controlling the government.
Ironically, didn't you just take choice away from women? And didn't you want to take if from gay people? So blind it's ridiculous.
Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
I'm shocked at the lack of excitement this debate between two titans obtained in the comments! Yes the professor is an atheist but, you cant say he did not have a good understanding of the topic at hand. I really appreciate it when someone like Cliff has to dig deeper to defend his point because those are the moments that really grab the audience and help us to understand! I thoroughly enjoyed this debate (Cliff won but, it was no cake walk for him and was a treat to see and learn from)!
It goes to show you, not to lean on your own understanding as learned as you think you are, you are a human being flawed and not perfected yet.
Atheists tend to nitpick a specific verse and use it completely out of context. They never disprove God. The bible isnt a novel you read.
Well, the bible itself disproves a lot of Christian claims, like god being all good, just, unchanging and the standard of morality (which is claimed to be absolute/objective).
The bible is no history book.
@@georg7120 it contains history.
@@KasperKatje Jesus is all Good.
@@KasperKatje Jesus is all good it's true.
All I have to say to the professor: trust in the Lord with all thy heart and do not lean on your own understanding in all thy way acknowledge him and he will make your path straight.
STOP LEANING ON YOUR UNDERSTAND PROFESSOR!!!😊
"STOP LEANING ON YOUR UNDERSTAND"
There you have, don't think, close your eyes, and believe with no question.
@@haitaelpastor976Scripture is clear!
Proverbs 28
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the Lord understand all things
@@audemars_piguet13 like I said: don't think and don't question.
@@haitaelpastor976 Oh you can question God believe me God can handle anything we measly, sinful beings can throw at Him. Question Him all you want because He already knows your heart. He knows everything there is to know about mankind. You can’t shock or surprise God. We are lying, backstabbing ungrateful traitors but we are still the objects of God’s affection. If we choose to follow ourselves and Satan, then because God is a just God, we will face His wrath. Hey we earned that. Hmm which do I want; God’s grace , love and mercy or His wrath for being an unloving , backstabbing traitor to Him and my neighbors, hmm.
He's real passionate and upset about the morality of a God. Even though he doesn't believe God exists
Exactly, evidence of a God.
Nothin wrong with stealing, murd.., etc. If we are all a big accident.
There is no objective right or wrong.
But we know there is, ✝️❤️ praise Jesus. Glory to God
His arguing and yelling just exposes Satan. Satan is the author of all of the crazy things that professor spouted. Satan hates God and what better opportunity to come after God than to challenge a man of God in front of an audience. What is so sad is the professor is being used by Satan and all of Satan’s efforts are futile. Jesus Christ has already defeated Satan when He conquered death and resurrected from the dead. So all Satan can do is try and get as many gullible naive people who are out of the arch of safety in Jesus Christ to go to hell with him. I tell everyone, don’t be collateral damage and go to hell with Satan in his futile war against God; get on God’s side, the winning side.
Because this book, about which you seem to defend, has created so much uneccesasy suffering and confusion. The point here is that you have to ignore or poorly defend an immoral god.
@@dwolfcoach again ur upset over a God u don't believe exists and u still believe what he's done to be immoral. There is no such thing as good or evil right and wrong. It's just your subjective taste So Stop crying.
It would much be like you being upset over a loved one joining a cult where its members worship a seemingly nonexistent being who tells them to do irrational things.
This guy doesn't want to have an honest debate. He wants to showboat and try to show everybody how smart he is.
He is having an honest debate. He is pointing out the logical fallacies of the bible and asking for explanations to rectify the fallacies.
@@dippindotdave5611 If he was doing that, he wouldn't be trying to talk over Cliff so much. All of his questions have answers, and Cliff is more than capable of answering them.
@johnnybgoode2484 I mean it's not like cliff has a calm demeanor during this debate. Both get heated and into the debate but to call out one side without calling out the other is asinine.
Is the Bible the word of God?
Is the bible 100% true to every word?
Is the Christian god a good and benevolent god?
If those are true, then how can one condone the bible or the Christian god?
Three logical and true statements/questions, with a contradictory answer.
Either the premises are incorrect or the conclusion is incorrect. It's simple logic statements. Cliff never answered.
@@dippindotdave5611 Cliff has shown consistently that he is very skilled at being a respectful debater. This guy was more concerned about winning than hearing answers to his many questions. It's not so much a matter of the subject matter as much as it's about being respectful. The professor was not. End of story.
@@johnnybgoode2484 do you care to address the questions I asked?
Gotta love the circular arguments. Bombastic accusations and appeals to ignorance, leads to confusion of those who do not know the scriptures..
Well done Cliffe. Thank you for this example. The ending showed me the effect of a kind and yet unwavering stance regarding God's Word on unbelievers.
This is a common apologetical and theological question of confusion. The answer is actually found in Leviticus 18, we find that “Uncover Nakedness” was a colloquialism for having sex and Noah’s nakedness would have referred to his wife. And in the original Hebrew the verse in Gen 9 says the feminine referring to “her tent”, meaning that Ham slept with his mother. And Canaan was cursed because it was Ham and his mother’s bastard child. We also see some common Genesis time compression here, because Canaan was likely not born yet.
Yes, just one of many many ignorant misunderstandings that this bully espouses. He thinks he is smart, but he never bothered to find real answers…and so he keeps changing the subject
Indeed. I was going to write about this but decided to hold and read on first and saw your comments. Could not have done it better. Well explained 👍🙏
Amazing debate . Love the answers. Love this channel
Wow! Great job Cliffe! So encouraging to see the debate style so raw and still so respectful. Many people can learn so much from this debate as well as the style it was done.
He's no professor. He's a loudmouth who thinks that the one who can talk over the other one wins.
Exactly what I was gonna say. Bro is bouncing all over the place. He is clearly not trying to argue honestly.
Jibrish and same foolishness re-pair-ed and breaks down as soon as you get it out 😢of the shop??? 🔥 enjoy 😉 your unbelief now....smoked pork later!!!(John 3:36)(Romans 1:18)
If you will notice they always start yelling to drown out the truth being spoken. One of the ways you can tell that it's demonic in nature. They can't stand the Gospel being preached. I contend there are very few true atheists, if you truly believe there is no God, then you really wouldn't care what someone else believes, you would just think they are idiots not worth your time.
Nah! He's probably just passionate in his belief.
@@saltyolbroad2962 Passionate only works when you're informed. He obviously wasn't.
We belive in Living God.
Not in cow or black stone
More like bull and black rock.
So, where is this living god? Can you show it?
@@johnl4933I guess you are not John the Baptist 😂. Easiest way to find living God is in the Bible and praying in the name of Jesus. Good luck and God bless ❤
@@chack4845 You do realize that what you wrote just looked like a pile of nonsense. We atheists don't believe in your god or Jesus ... so you're saying to pray to something we have no beliefs in.
@@johnl4933 well you ask for it so just saying if you really wanna know you can find it there in Bible and in prayer in the name of Jesus.
I have seen this "person" that just went to the university to learn the Bible and for him to do this. Don't worry, let's see what he is going to say the day GOD will ask him. He is a "professor" at the Florida Iternational University in Miami.
On the other hand, Gob bless this brave child of God.
As a believer and follower of Christ, this is one of many videos that Mr. Knechtle has released that is well worth studying and learning from. Thank you, Cliffe!
ooh my god that was amazing. And look how polite they were. God bless you all. Cheers from Brazil!
I was extremely happy that although they debated and disagreed; in the end they shook hands and embraced one another. That is the essence of Christ and brotherly love.
Outstanding content. subscribed. I appreciate the work. 🙏🏾
Wow, that professor is a menace..he doesn’t teach he indoctrinates and bullies
I agree, and he is a great example of what I show my kids so they don't get fooled by professors like him when they go to college.
You mean just like Cliffe does.
@mirandahotspring4019
Cliffe doesn't bully anyone though
Says the Christian
If you claim to be a Christian you should be able to have an answer for the hope that we have. Was Paul a menace. Yes at one time he was. But all of his questions were answered. Can you imagine this professor if he became a real Christian?
And great review comments at the end of video by the channel!
Loved it! Mainly when they hugged each other in the end!! What a final! 🙌🏻
God didn't curse Ham, Noah did
Wow! GREAT DEBATE!!!❤
Cliff was on it!
Dropping Bible facts🤣🤣✊🏿💯💯💯✝️
Wow what a small world. That man was my professor. I didn’t agree with his theological teachings but I can give him credit for being a great professor. He taught World Religions with a lot of knowledge and it helped me appreciate to teach religions from an academic perspective in my middle school and high school classes. But again I agree with the Christian speaker who did a phenomenal job and I’m just glad the two had a passionate but healthy debate. They respected one another without putting each other down and that is how it should be done. The Christian debater is clearly very knowledgeable and God-Honoring and that is a great way to evangelize the Gospel.
So do you have any proof for your God, heaven, hell, Satan, angels, demons, a soul - any of it all? Any real evidence?
What a Professor
May GOD help you Sir to understand The Old Testament
In Jesus Christ name we pray yuup
The guy arguing with Cliffe obviously doesn't know anything about rightly dividing the word of truth as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15.
When you rightly divide the word of truth it eliminates all the so called contradictions that are in the bible.
They are not so called, they are real.
What do you mean by “dividing the word of truth”?
aka when you make things up and ignore the parts you don't like, you can pretend there are no contradictions in the bible.
curious how that works out. Here's a simple question if there are no contradictions: does this god punish people for what others do or not?
Few people will know what you concretely mean by rightly dividing. They're still at the stage of evaluating the Bible's concept of God.
@@velkyn1 says: *aka when you make things up and ignore the parts you don't like, you can pretend there are no contradictions in the bible.*
I'm not making things up and I am not ignoring any part of the bible I don't like because I don't have any part of the bible that I don't like in the first place.
So, I am not pretending that there are no contradictions in the bible because there are no contradictions in the bible.
*curious how that works out.*
I don't see things working out in accordance to what you are saying.
*Here's a simple question if there are no contradictions: does this god punish people for what others do or not?*
God punishes everyone specifically and individually for their own sins.
The effects of sin itself outside of God's punishment however causes its problems for everyone in general and is not just focused upon a specific individual like a punishment is.
It’s obvious to me that the professor is arrogant and full of pride. He also seems to be recycling the same argument over and over.
It's starting to make sense to him but his mind is refusing to acknowledge it.
Yep.
He’s on the verge of being a certified mad man.
The “circular arguments “.
“ Now the serpent was more cunning than any other beast of the field which the Lord God has made.” Satan is more cunning than man so he influences man to do evil. We need the power of the Holy Spirit ( God) to help us discern Satan and the Holy Spirit will drive him out. We need God’s power to keep us safe from the influence of Satan. No one can defeat Satan but God.
Doesn’t “seeing your father’s nakedness” in the Bible mean that he slept with his father’s wife?
yep Leviticus 18:8/20:11
Simple thing just came to mind when I heard the debater say at 17:40 “I have freedom in Christ to reject some of these commandments” …. did not Jesus say “If you love me you will follow my commandments.” I pray to find the right words to speak to anyone that question morality and how God is good when we are not. Of course we all at first are going try justify ourselves because to not would be having to admit sin and submit to a Holy Righteous God that has the right to punish us. (The wonderful thing is it so worth it) God is a loving God as well!
God bless the people who came forward with this channel , God Bless CLiff and the professor
If God is the author of life, then for Him it's not murder. He can give and take life as He chooses.
Like an absolute monarch or a communist dictator.
@@wma5440 Yeah, God is omnipotent, he can do whatever he wants. And him being omnibenevolent, how does that fit with taking lives just because he feels it and because "I'm the creator so shut up".
@@haitaelpastor976
If God does not punish evil that would make God unworthy of worshiping
@@haitaelpastor976Absolute monarchs and dictators are human beings not God. Monarchs and dictators come under the authority of God and God will pass judgment on those who think they are Him. “ God is not a man that he should lie. Nor a son of man that He should repent. Has He said and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? “ Numbers 23:19. You can’t judge God using your unrighteous standards. God is better than we are and we need to humble ourselves before Him.
@@gingercake0907 God is better?
I for sure wouldn't punish the innocent for the crimes of others, like he does.
you have to shake the dust off your feet.and pray that their eyes be opened 🙏
Being intellectual sometimes brings destruction to a person.
Excellent. I want to learn how to defend the faith like that!
Fantastic, wonderful, beautiful conversation.
God bless you brother.
What this challenger to Cliffe essentially did was blame God for the misinterpretation and misapplication of His word. It would be like criticising Mozart for someone playing any one of his symphonies incorrectly or poorly. We must seek to understand God’s word through the Spirit, not self-worship and judge it as if we know better.
No. You're wrong. The professor is presenting a valid challenge. He didn't misinterpret anything. Is God commanded genocide moral. It's a valid question.
@@Avery-Mac you might start there with the question, but when you come out the other side realising that God is the definition of goodness, you realise to even question Him is self-idolatry. It represents the defiant and prideful condition of humanity as we continually shake the fist in His direction.
The atheist position appears to me as one who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Critical of God for not dealing with evil, and critical when He does. It speaks to the heart of man; deceitful and wicked above all things (Jeremiah 17:9).
Everything God does is consistent with His character. What you call genocide or murder is God’s moral judgement, and He is the ultimate judge in meeting out His perfect Law.
You also need to start with an understanding of what murder is; the unjustified taking of human life. God is justified in all things, therefore cannot commit murder. But a human? Oh yes, completely unjustified if doing these things in their own power.
@Redeemer_80 In Gen 18 Abram questioned God's judgment in the destruction of Sodom. Would you call that idolostrous? He even changed God's decision. Abram asked, "Would you destroy the righteous with the wicked?" What if you committed a crime all by your self. Would it be right if the police locked up you and your children? Abram questioned God. I believe it's ok for us to ask these questions as well.
@@Avery-Mac I think you’ve taken my use of the expression “to question Him” to mean to ask questions, which is not quite what I’d intended. I mean more in the context of “doubting”. Asking questions to seek understanding is good. But doubting Him is not.
My view on your example of Abraham and the destruction of Sodom takes me to a different outcome than you also. I don’t believe Abraham changed God’s mind at all. God knew full well Abraham would not find anyone righteous so went along with Abraham’s plea to show him that God was right in His judgement, demonstrated ultimately with Sodom’s destruction.
Your last point brings man into the equation again. Let’s not conflate the actions of man with God. God’s judgment has the benefit of seeing all outcomes across all time, as He is not bound by it.
Who am I, the creation, to question the creator.
Job was told that message quite clearly.
@@Redeemer_80 Job and Abraham clearly had different outcomes. Job was "squashed" for asking questions. Abraham managed to alter God's decision and save his nephew Lot. Abraham asks God not to slay the righteous with the wicked. He reminds God of how "unjust" that would be (Gen 18:25). If God was doing as you say (just going along with Abraham's plea), then God was being disingenuous. God should have said "you are wrong Abraham and you can't alter my decision." The professor's question is, is it just to slay the innocent with the sinners? How are the children (infants, newborns, etc) of the sinners guilty? Is it moral to kill them as well. Also, to kill all the animals too? What did they do?
I have faith that anything written in the Bible is righteous and true and even if I don't understand some of it doesn't mean it's not true. Satan will relentlessly give everyone cause to be unsure of the truth.
Mans death is already a judgement by itself, infant or adult. God is not under moral judgement for ending the lives of His creation. He is the giver and the taker of life.
I agree everything that lives will die, so God wants us to focus on how we live. Do we live loving Him and our neighbors or do we live hating Him and everyone else? Our journey through life matters because it will determine our destination in death.
@@gingercake0907 Atheists don't hate your god. We just don't believe it exists.
@@johnl4933don't worry if God doesn't exist worry if it does
@@zombee38 I don't worry at all. In your world view, your god created me an atheist. He/it hasn't provided me with evidence for him/it being real. I don't believe in something on blind faith. I'm not that gullible ... and, in your world view, your god knows that.
So that justifies anything. How do you know Hitler was not God's agent?
Why save people during a flood? Doesn't God send floods?
It's you guys who have no way of knowing good from evil.
God bless you and keep you safe brother🙏🙏
Great ending!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
I like what Cliffe said about experiencing the trustworthiness of Christ. The Bible says things that are hard for us to understand, believe or accept sometimes. The professor makes it sound like it is idolatrous to not question those things, and he has a point. People have used religious texts and their interpretations to justify all manner of evil that they want to accomplish.
The professor's definition of a Christian fails to rise to the level of being actually aware that one is a sinner and who Jesus is, God incarnate, and what He accomplished by living a sinless life, dying on the cross and rising again. It would be nice if the professor took a moment to suspend judging the Bible and realize it judges mankind, and him, and to accept the loving provision of God in Jesus as remedy for his sin that it reveals.
The “New Atheists “ are very angry at G-d. They are under the impression that we, as mere humans, should be able to unerstand G-d and his actions 100%. The Bible says “G-d’s ways are higher than our ways”. He is G-d and can Judge correctly, where as we see things in a limited fashion. He who created all things seen and unseen can judge correctly. Us….not so much.
You can't be mad at something you don't believe in. I am not mad at god, because I do not believe he is real. What I am mad at is the followers of religion who pick and choose what they want from whichever book they follow and use it as a justification to do sh*tty things.
This should prove to college students that many of their professors sound like they have it all figured out but in reality when countered by a more intelligent person, they crumble like the Walls of Jericho. Way to go Cliff, mop up on aisle 5.
I didn't see the Professor crumble to Cliffs evasive and vague retorts. Rambling about how good God is and how consistent the bible is was rather defensive and cringeworthy.
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Daily Reflection, you have my utmost respect! You obviously know your Bible-one has to, to stand up patiently to argumentative “experts”!
Say whatever of either party. The handshake and hug at the end is what we all need to do.
You can’t condemn God. He knows all and will judge all.. and knows everyone’s heart.
SO… by that simple logic .. WHO BETTER to tell ANYONE.. ANYTHING?
God bless you richly in Jesus almighty name Amen 🙌❤
Too high on emotion this debate. The professor obviously believe his intelligence and moral compass is above the WISDOM of God. Just because you do not understand fully the point and context of the Bible, doesn’t mean your smarter than our Sovereign God. 1 Corinthians 1:25 “The foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.”. GOD is JUST and He sees the bigger picture and deeper in our hearts than we can ever fathom, and His wisdom is INFINITE. What are we, but His mere creation. Romans 11:33: "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"Amen.
Before you can make that claim you need to prove god.
Amen! ❤❤❤
I love being challenged like this. We should embark on a path of study so that we can have answer for the hope we have.
@@truthgiver8286The belief of proof ultimately lies upon you, assuming you're an atheist he objectively can't, inspired by the hardening within your being it's impossible. God to you is dead, but that's not the case. Essentially proving God is something only for someone's own belief.
@@apreiyz8618 The hardening within my being no I think it is more to do with the softening within your head. When you prove something you provide irreputable evidence You may have accepted belief in god but you have not proved it to yourself or anyone.
Great discussion!
Sir Cliff you are so brilliantly counter these CRITICS against the God of the Bible.
I pray that God will blessed and annointing you richly with the power of the Holy Spirit where you can go from one place to another place to defend the Bible.
People who don't believe in God will keep questioning and keep continuing their unbelieving ways. Will the professor be a believer after this? No one but God knows.
The professor who argued against some of the acts in the name of God has really been a genuine seeker....with his knowledge of asian religions ....God does reveal Him self to every genuine seeker IN HIS TIME....our Christian friend should really be appreciated ,I presume that St. Peter 'd 've been more glad if only he had 1Peter 3:15 in mind 😊with more softness (smile) and gentleness...❤
This is a common point of confusion in apologetics and theology. The answer can be found in Leviticus 18, where the phrase 'uncover nakedness' is a colloquialism for engaging in sexual relations. In the context of Noah’s story, 'Noah’s nakedness' would have referred to his wife. In the original Hebrew, the verse in Genesis 9 uses the feminine form, referring to 'her tent,' indicating that Ham had sexual relations with his mother. As a result, Canaan was cursed because he was the illegitimate child of Ham and his mother. Additionally, there appears to be some time compression in Genesis, as Canaan was likely not yet born at the time of the event.
Now this is an answer that people should be looking in to but I didn’t hear anyone bring up the Hebrew but Cliffe. And you just delved deeper! Fantastic! Thanks for the reference! Appreciate the insight for the context! God bless you!
Yeah, I agree, but the language in Genesis is too cryptic to decisively draw that conclusion. Personally, I think this is what happened, but it's not a slam dunk.
@@pyrology101 Why so cryptic? An omnipotent omniscient God sure would know how (and want) his message to be crystal clear. He's playing a sick game with us.
@@haitaelpastor976 He(GOD) wants us to SEEK after Him. SEEK after Truth. That means study to find the truth. So you know what you are talking about when you tell someone else about it. If you seek it will be crystal clear.
@@bryanedwards9412 You sure? Because I'm indeed seeking, and the more I delve into his nature, the more convinced of him being a cosmic horror I am.
Praise God this man is really trying to find him to be wrong but this man of God did his study and reading Holy spirit lives in him God bless him and continue useing him in JESUS CHRIST name amen
The monolog at the end of this video is fantastic.
"I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to answer." Throws out a laundry list of questions. - Atheist
"Okay, I'm happy to answer. Let's take a look at some of your premises..." - Cliff
"YOU CONDONE MURDER! NOW I'M GOING TO SPEND 3 MINUTES SHOUTING AT YOU." - Atheist
Btw, many interpreters do not leave "saw his Father's nakedness" as a simple visual glance. Some have suggested there was either there was some kind of sexual molestation, and others suggest it is possible that Ham slept with his mother (Noah's wife). There is a passage in Leviticus 22:10 that forbids a man from sleeping with his father's wife (his mother or stepmother) because it would "uncover his father's nakedness". It's basically the same phrase in both passages in Hebrew being used to describe how Ham failed to cover "his father's nakedness."
Even if neither of those happened, it was still a very serious sin that a son thought his father's drunken nakedness was something to be joked about as a story spread around camp/the town. It would undermine Noah's authority as the family patriarch with the other sons, possibly planting seeds of rebellion in them. Either by disgracing his father in his brothers' eye or if he slept with his (step)mother, it would be a direct challenge to Noah's role as patriarch of the family and the bloodline of the God's chosen people, so yes, Ham's children would be cursed for this so that they would never be able to usurp the role of Shem in the Messiah's lineage.
Bottom line: It's MUCH more than a son simply catching a glimpse of his father naked. We have to read this with understanding an ancient Hebrew would. This atheist professor is determined not to listen to Cliff's expertise on the matter and dismisses him as just making things up. Very intellectually dishonest.
You have said a whole bunch of baloney.
The dude was nauseating
Fools find truth nauseating.
@@cygnusustusthats why as a Christian i find the disingenuousness of the professor nauseating. He didnt use any context abd wasnt interested in the truth.
@@wlonsdale1
How was he disingenuous. Go ahead and disputes anything the professor said, or conceded that you can't.
You are right, Cliffe always is.
How dare he talk about morality when he believes Hitler is in heaven now if he repented and followed Jesus in the end.
@@KasperKatje love your enemies pray for those that curse you, can you say with any certainty that Jesus instruction highlighting a broad plan of salvation through love and mercy can't extend to even Hitler if he did in fact, repent and place his faith in Christ? Don't let such an assertion undermine your faith but rather, understand that God is love and that depth of his love, mercy, justice and wisdom far exceeds that which we can conceive. Lest you fall into the same trap the professor did, let God be God, and trust that he knows what he's doing.
“If God would concede me His omnipotence for 24 hours, you would see how many changes I would make in the world. But if He gave me His wisdom too, I would leave things as they are.”
― J.M.L. Monsabre
When someone brings up objection after objection after objection, he's not really looking for answers.
Agreed
We can have a passionate debate about anything. Opposing viewpoints makes us more human than we think, but embracing each other afterward is what brings us closer to God. Love and embrace are what God teaches us, and that professor showed it. May God guide him ❤️
What an amazing meat and potatoes debate about these fundamental principles found in the Bible and Jesus's teachings. This is the power of a college experience. BRAVO for that college for allowing this kind of discourse that ended in two men shaking hands. STUNNING video! I wish I was there to see it live.
LORD, teach us YOUR Word, may we engrave the Word on our heart so we may be able to lovingly share YOUR Word and love with others
GOD Does Not Tell Us Anything In The BIBLE That GOD HIMSELF Does Not Want Us To Know. Everything In The BIBLE Is There For A Very Good And GODLY Reason.✝️🙏🏼🧔🏽♀️
Love how the atheist doesn't allow Cliff to talk nor does he answer when it's pointed back at him. Instead he gets loud & obnoxious.
You mean just like Cliffe. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mirandahotspring4019
“Just like Cliff”
Look up appeal to hypocrisy fallacy! Even if Cliff did use the same dishonest tactic it does not logically follow that the professor was right to just ignore relevant questions to push his own ideology. Look up the [TWO QUO QUAY FALLACY]. By the way, you just totally and utterly refuted your self!!
I wake up every morning and I am grateful that God didn't choke me at night for the things I did the previous day. How could I judge God as immoral? No way! Instead, God is full of mercy and grace. and I am forever grateful.
It's good to see them give a handshake and hug it out. This is how disagreements are settled, and it's through constructive criticism and thought!
I'm sorry, but slavery is not anti-biblical. In fact, the Bible goes to Great lengths to clarify what is legal and what is not legal slavery. Can it be abused, of course, which is why there are so many laws concerning it. But how can something that has produced so much good in the saving of so many poor lives, be an evil?
And if God decides to eradicate anyone, regardless of how He chooses to do it, that is His right.
And people pay for the sins of their parents, as I have, as all of us have. It's actually what teaches us not to repeat those sins.
When scripture gets hard, we are commanded in Probverbs 3:5-6.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways, submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
But it was not God who cursed the cananites ,it was Noah who cursed his grandson by himself,God didn't command Noah to curse his grandson.
Ultimately it was God who cursed them by inaction.
Curse is a consequence of bad deed.
If it happened, then you should learn from it.
The bible explain itself.
It would be confusing if the bible didn't write the story of Ham and Noah, and how curse went down to Canaan, Ham's son.
People tend to overlook the meaning of "Nakedness of his Father ( Noah ), which if it led into curse, then we should have started to think there is terrible sins committed, instead of questioning God's authority.
Bible wrote the story, the reason, the curse and the judgement upon Canaanites.
That shows that the sins doesn't go unchecked and unpunished. No matter how long it past, it is still there and if we don't repent, we will face jugdement.
This is what people overlook and try to ignore that God love us, God warn us and God is long suffering, and God is waiting and always want us to be saved.
But we refuse to repent then you are going to face judgment.
400 years to wait until the sins of Amorites ripe.
Did they repent? They didn't.
So whoever you are, it is a call for you to repent too.
Repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
Please do not judge hastely, I'm not trying to win an argument.
But because we believe it is the truth and that God loves you and wants you to be saved.
AMEN Cliff. You did a magnificent job debating this irate professor.
Biggest eye opening difference is one waits patiently to answer, and the other arrogantly interrupts at every chance
I'll take a moderates debate any day but you are 🎯
Most of those debating Cliff are that way. Very angry and arrogant.
As a Christian, I have always been uncomfortable with apologists that try to explain things that are very difficult for us to understand..I would saying "good question, I don't really know. I know God is loving and good but I don't have all the answers."
"I know God is loving and good"
Just like a beaten spouse "knows" his/her tormentor is "good".
@@haitaelpastor976👈🤪🙄 Stupid.
Cliffe happens to have said "I do not know" more than a dozen times that I can bring to mind at least.
If you can't answer then God I not with you or do the bible lie or even God
The conquest was called for because of the corruption of the seed line... The nakedness was not just being naked...He's using today's logic without understanding the older context