Thanks for bringing this to light. That’s good stuff. I was honestly heated myself cause the guy seemed to have so much intellectual gander around the truth. Like he devoted his life to it. Whereas cliffe loves Christ so much that his arguments were just common knowledge. Glory to the throne. The Holy Spirit that resides inside of us when we have faith is truly unexplainable, and powerful. Amen.
@@mirandahotspring4019 Let me stop you there Miranda. If we’re cosmic accidents, then moral relativism exists. That means if I slapped someone in the face, it wouldn’t matter. Because that’s just more matter and energy bumping into more matter and energy. What I want you to explain to me is what you’re living for. If there were a God, and if you didn’t give into your atheist perspectives, you would understand: it is to love each other as best as we can, and to serve and praise God by not sinning against ourselves, and living in the truth, as best as we can. 2; Love is not quantifiable. Love is not science. Try to have a ‘scientific date.’.. try to give a numerical value to the love you feel for your parents. Science is incredibly important, but it cannot give a reasonable explanation for why us humans have love in our hearts. Point 3, branching off the first: the reason I know we aren’t evolved is because of the order and design of the universe. As a human being created in the image of God, one who is a graphic designer; I know that making things takes a lot of effort. And when you look at the human body (doctors every day) or at the complex nervous system of animals (vets)- heck even plants (biologist) you would understand that science proves God all the time, from human anatomy to those who study space (if it exists). We didn’t make these immense and powerful machines. And for a cosmic accident to do so, still assuming your moral relativism isn’t a thing- then that would be very hard thing to explain! Finally, Miranda, first step to understanding that God is real, from me, Ayden, so that you may understand the truth, is realizing; that God is the basis that this country, the United States I presume you live in, was created on. In our pledge we say ‘one nation under God.’ Many nations and countries and establishments were created by this basis, not just the United States, to become great, and to strive for truth… Let’s say you took a trip to Africa and decided to go with your friends on a boating trip, and along the way you get lost. There are two alternate universes; one where you arrive to an unknown island, and a group of angry tribal men bombard your boat with arrows. You and your friends become pierced and die! Now in the other timeline; you arrive to this island. The tribal men are angry… but they believe in God. You live, they rescue you, and turn you into the government officials to be brought back to where you came. You should understand; the mere idea of God, has created so much good. The most good. Ever. And so atheism is a dangerous place my dear. Jesus Christ (who yes, was God humbling himself to be a human so he could serve as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins) was the biggest- and one of the first symbols that people got to see- of a loving, a powerful, an all knowing God. My speech is over. I am saying this so that you may read the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John (one of ‘em first please) so that you may realize for yourself if this Jesus is truly the true son of God in human form, or if he was just blowing smoke. It’s up to you. In this world we cannot claim to not have enough evidence of God, if we have eyewitness accounts of him.
@@socialmediaaccount4206 I was like that once. I struggled to understand, to comprehend a just God when confronted with various things. It took me longer than I'd like to admit, to simply sit down and treat the bible fairly.
I do not know if cliff realizes it but if you take this guy's message all the way to the end point. It is the progressive message that nobody should ever be punished for anything because there is a reason for everything. Nobody truly has any free will to make their own choices. His argument of not wanting to hurt people and loving people does not hold any water when other people Are actively hurting others. Cliff basically explained this immediately and then he went crazy later screaming like a social Justice Warrior
@@simshengvue5799 wow that is deep. He really was just saying don't punish them don't give them justice to the people that died and the children they burned alive.
@@simshengvue5799 Both Cliffe and that guy were getting heated with each other so I don't think it's quite right to call him an SJW for that. It was immediately obvious to me that the guy was well-read and really knew what he was talking about, like more than me even. That's why that conversation was difficult - I think most of the people Cliffe debates with haven't really studied the Bible or taken the Word seriously, let alone other writings from other theologians, and this is one of the few times Cliffe is discussing with someone who genuinely has. Running through the back of my mind in that conversation though was that I think that guy didn't quite understand that death on Earth isn't the end; if it was, I think the death of innocent children and babies for the sins of their parents would have been completely inexcusable. But because we know there is a heaven and that the innocent caught in the crossfire of evil will ultimately be given proper justice, as well as the ones that did evil, then I have a much easier time coming to terms with what was done and why it had to be done. The man wasn't quite getting that though, and I think that's why Cliffe was getting frustrated, because he wasn't sure how else to explain that. The next step I think would be for the man to come to terms with the idea of ultimate justice.
i just wanted you to know that God loves you. How? He gave up His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, so that if we confess our sins (we can one, be cleansed from unrighteousness (check out 1 john 1:9), and repent, and by God's grace and through Jesus's commendable sacrifice we can be forgiven
The phrase "uncovering nakedness" (*'ervah* in Hebrew) is often used in the context of sexual relations, particularly in passages discussing prohibited sexual conduct. 1. **Leviticus 18:6** - "None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the Lord." 2. **Leviticus 18:7** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness." 3. **Leviticus 18:8** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness." 4. **Leviticus 18:9** - "The nakedness of your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether born at home or born outside, their nakedness you shall not uncover." 5. **Leviticus 18:10** - "The nakedness of your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for their nakedness is yours." 6. **Leviticus 18:11** - "The nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, born to your father, she is your sister; you shall not uncover her nakedness." 7. **Leviticus 18:12** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s blood relative." 8. **Leviticus 18:13** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s blood relative." 9. **Leviticus 18:14** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother; you shall not approach his wife, she is your aunt." 10. **Leviticus 18:15** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness." 11. **Leviticus 18:16** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness." 12. **Leviticus 18:17** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, nor shall you take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are blood relatives. It is lewdness." 13. **Leviticus 18:18** - "You shall not marry a woman in addition to her sister as a rival while she is alive, to uncover her nakedness." 14. **Leviticus 20:11** - "If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them." 15. **Leviticus 20:17** - "If there is a man who takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace; and they shall be cut off in the sight of the sons of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness; he bears his guilt." 16. **Leviticus 20:19** - "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister or of your father’s sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they will bear their guilt." 17. **Leviticus 20:20** - "If there is a man who lies with his uncle’s wife, he has uncovered his uncle’s nakedness; they will bear their sin. They will die childless." 18. **Leviticus 20:21** - "If there is a man who takes his brother’s wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother’s nakedness. They will be childless."
Also, the way he went and told his brothers sounds to me to seek humiliating his father, that's why he called his brothers, so they too could laugh at him, that's why they were looking backwards so they don't fall into that
It means that you can ask God for help. And when you do ask God for help you glorify him. You glorify him when you ask because in doing so you say God you are worthy to help me through this situation. It’s like if I asked you for help on a math test. I ask you for help because I think that you know how to solve the problem I’m dealing with. Because I think that you’re smart in some way shape or form.
It's how God deals with punishing the evil that people have a problem with. They want God to pluck them out of existence suddenly and without warning. But people fail to connect the fact that we, as people, effectively told God we want to be separate from Him. And so, since God honored our request, He works through us to remove evil from the world. One of the consequences of us wanting to be separate from God, is that when evil is to be taken out of the world, the means that it's done with its messy at best.
Thats because all human beings are flawed and a hypocrite. We as humans must come to terms that we are not perfect. We are not always right. We almost always choose our ego over everything else during our decision making. We are very acceptable and very surely capable to do evil. We are sinners. And when people who doesnt come into terms with what they are, they reject god, run away from god, deny god, doesnt even have any amount of interest to god. Hence, they dont want to study or do research or any intellectual thinking when it comes to the existence or teaching of god and the gospels.
@@KasperKatje I mean yea if you think that’s God fault rather than the humans who do that act then sure it’s his fault by your way of thinking, but god has the ultimate insurance of heaven and hell so he doesn’t need to interfere here and now, ppl who murder and grape and cheat others and steal without repentance will already get their punishment for their evil that they’ve inflicted on others.
I was just where the professor was at, and still have some of those thoughts. I LOVED passions on both sides. One of the most captivating talks from 2 Christians
@@FatherSonSpirit1Honestly, the guy had a pretty compelling point to make but was also being a bit disingenuous by putting words in Cliffe's mouth. Frustrating yet fascinating debate to watch!
The slaughter at Jericho is the most legitimate question about murder. The 10 Commandments were already in place, and murder was committed.God violated his own commandment?!
I love how that Professor had the humility to hug Cliffe at the end. When I debate with unbelievers I try to view them as my future brothers. I try to picture them 5-10 years from now how easily lovable their personalities would be as believers.
Exactly. It’s hard believing that my father will no longer be an alcoholic and it’s been 20 plus years but I keep trying to be the light. It’s hard but I will never hate him
@@peaceandfood7952 if it helps you like them more in the moment and listen I’d say that’s good… I was just talking about one strategy to listen and like someone in a heated debate where I unfairly start disliking a person based on their belief. Obviously I can love my atheist friends for who they are also but it’s hard to see in that moment
Dude read the Bible. He read it as a novel with a heart of stone. Pray for him. He needs it. He is so intellectual he is going to think himself straight to sheol.
i just wanted you to know that God loves you. How? He gave up His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, so that if we confess our sins (we can one, be cleansed from unrighteousness (check out 1 john 1:9), and repent, and by God's grace and through Jesus's commendable sacrifice we can be forgiven
@peaceandfood7952 nope. Just in context. It would behoove you to not pluck out verses of the Bible and actually read it in context. Who was Leviticus written to? When was it written, and why was it written? I'm not expecting you to actually do any reading due to the hardness of your heart and disdain for our Creator. But thought I'd make the suggestion anyway.
What I love most about Cliff is that he doesn’t put people down for not understanding. Time after time I see so many Christians online being almost brutal to people that don’t understand or get things wrong.
Jesus, the Second Person of Trinity was in league with the Father when the decision to destroy the Amalakites was taken after 400 years of warning them to stop sacrificing their children to Molech. They didn’t; God acted. The man hasn’t realised there is no argument/indecision/disagreement amongst the Trinity.
That guys i would say has the true essence of God. Kind in speech yet strict and harshly firm to God's teachings when needed to. My God help with his temper because sometimes i feel like Cliffe is about to lose his mind with some people.
LOVE to see how Cliff is blowing up on TH-cam. it is inhuman how hard it is to have arguments like this and maintain one's cool over and over and over. I'd fall apart being subjected to this intense discourse day after day after day. it's absolutely exhausting.
Cliff is evidence of fruit of the Spirit. The professor came charging in with many accusations. But Cliff spoke to him without demeaning him or antagonizing him. What’s sad is that the professor’s idea of choosing to deny certain parts of Scripture and God in the name of Jesus is ultimately saying that he himself decides what Jesus stood, who God is, and what justice is. Pride wrapped in a lot of fancy words. Pray for his soul.
@black-cross isn't it funny that most of the major religions believe in Christ. Some deny His humanity (I'm lookin at u JW's) Some deny His diety (say howdy to Islam) but all have to steal from the 1 true God to make their religion hold water.
“Is God a monster?” No; I am the monster. I don’t deserve his forgiveness or love and the fact that I have either is the most beautiful, difficult to comprehend, extraordinarily powerful love, anyone could ever hope to be touched by. Thank you for loving me and dying for this unworthy human being, dear Jesus Christ. Thank you for seeing me in the most intimately informed way possible and choosing to love and heal me, despite my extraordinary failures. Thank you Jesus. 🙏 ❤
@@davidsewell9227 Your warning is valuable. I am not in danger of indulging in self hate or living in shame. I exist in the facts and put my energy towards being the best I can be. God bless you and thank you for caring enough to make sure I’m not hurting.
Why do you say thank you Jesus? Why is everyone obsessed with Jesus? Didn't Jesus say I do my father's will not mine, didn't he beg not to be crucified? doesn't all glory go to the father. Why statutes of Jesus in churches, why focus so much on Jesus, wasn't he pointing people to God? Just curious.
Yeah more emotion and tools for defending. It’s all Stans asking questions now, they should filter the new audience so it’s mostly unbelievers asking questions.
I listen to Cliff and Stuart all the time while I’m driving for work and I’ll often catch myself saying I need some Cliff when I get stressed or it gets too quiet, but I catch myself and say that I really need Jesus. Cliff is just a great communicator for Jesus, and I wish there were more Cliffs tho 😂
This is an incredibly intriguing discussion with deep philosophical implications. It's truly remarkable to witness the convergence of extensive knowledge, profound wisdom, and impassioned perspectives, even when they agree fundamentally but are starkly contrasting at the same time
I've loved and followed Cliff for a while now. This is by far my favorite exchange. I love it when two Superior intellects get past stupid teenage culture disagree and still love Jesus and hug it out at the end. That was awesome!
I love how that one kid tried to question Cliff's knowledge of the bible and got owned. Cliff knows more about the bible than anyone else I've ever heard.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Knew what his younger son had done to him. Cliff is correct , there is something that happened not just oopsie I saw dad naked.
isn’t it referring to Noah seeing that he was covered? isn’t that a good thing, to cover his nakedness? why was he punished, what are you inferring that the youngest son did to his father?
Why does there have to be more ? looking at your father while he's naked by itself is wicked. If my son looked at me like that I'd go get my riffle from the garage
scripture before, the younger son sees his dad Noah drunken and naked (likely in part bc he was depressed, the world had been flooded), and it says he told his brothers (and was like making fun of him). His other brother did right, by covering their fathers nakedness and not looking at him. Because of what the younger son did, Noah got upset and cursed him
@@driftingdandelion Multiple times the Torah uses the phrase "uncovered his/her nakedness or saw his/her nakedness and mutiple times its clearly a reference and context to FAR more that just stumbling in on someone naked or even voyeurism.
I love how you help me to understand the context of the bible. Keep doing what you're doing and do not let the hate stop you. Thank you for what you do!
Man, that professor's hackles really got raised once Cliff brought up going back to the original Hewbrew. It seems like he felt really threatened in his own beliefs that he couldn't make Cliff doubt the Bible, hence why he got so heated after that. He desperately wanted Cliff to express the same doubts he himself felt, so he would feel justified in them, but Cliff kept coming at him with amazing answers and he just couldn't handle it.
you are very open mind. You expose the biblical issue that so hard for some believer like us to comprehend the way it should be. Thanks for what you had done. It mean a lot for us that dont understand historicall, cultural, faith interpretation of the bible. You did precious things. God bless u pastor
Its awesome that Cliffe already had an idea how this argument will go. His opening and closing remarks are the same. Such an awesome rebuttal. That professor's life was changed after that.
Cliff saying “I have that right! Get a life!” made me laugh out loud. Cliff was so so patient with an obviously bitter, cold hearted individual who just..wouldn’t ever listen no matter what was said. He didn’t come to this event to listen but to fight.
I love you all. Forgive others, live a Godly life, read your bible daily, talk and listen to God, repent, stay focused on eternal life in Heaven and stay calm when more prophecys come forward. Dont live for this world. Trust Him❤✝️❤️
God Himself absolutely sent Cliffe to change this world. He has made such an impact on my life and I pray that I may have a fraction of the strength that God has given him to voice His message. God bless you all.
I'll join the many voices who say the way the 1st debat ended was perfect. It was. That's what debates should be. When we have expressed our beliefs in the face of difficult situations, let us shake hands and embrace, and let whatever God/Christ/Spirit we (do or do not) believe in do the rest.
this is a prime example that an athiest who says thier is no God but then starts questioning the things in the bible that they dont believe in proves exactly what Romans 1 says God will punish the wicked who supress the truth by thier unrighteousness for they know the truth about God for he made completly obvoius to them
@@raphaelfeneje486right the reason why they dont cause thier to admit that its true for they care more about thier pride than for the love Jesus has for them
@@raphaelfeneje486 I can give a perfectly rational reason why something is evil, human beings are social creatures, we thrive when we help one another and cooperate, committing evil acts goes against that premise. No god is required to know this.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding He reads the Bible to condemn not to understand. He refuses to open the door as Christ knocks
Regarding "uncovering nakedness of father' My theory would be ham probably had sexual intercourse with his mother. (Because uncovering father nakedness refers to having sexual relation with your father's wife ) Canan would be child from that incestual relationship.. That's why Noah cursed Canan..Anyway This was the most intense debate I have ever seen on askcliffe..God bless you Cliffe 💜
I think seeing his father's nakedness was not a sin; what was the sin was when he told his brothers about his father's nakedness-disrespecting his father and trying to undermine his authority. Unless there was/is a language translation that would point to another potential interpretation. The sin was disrespecting his mother and father and intentionally undermining his father's authority.
To anyone dealing with depression or feeling low, don’t give up on life, no matter what bad things happened in your past, don’t let them define you or control your destiny, you are all important and loved!, there is hope for all of us! Jesus loves you all ✝️, get to know God through Christ 📖
What does that say about anything. Who cares if a guy teaching the youth doesn't know anything about the Bible? It's not necessary knowledge or knowledge worth having and it's not even knowledge, it's a made up story. These two are out here teaching this stuff like it's true or it even matters and it's just silly. Millions of people live their every day life without this nonsense in it and they're fine. Besides, the two he is debating are dishonest interlocutors. They're not even real people, they're trolls. They actually believe this stuff or at least they say they do, we're not even sure, but they don't care what the other person has to say. They're just there to preach their Opinion ABOUT A FAIRY TALE. These people shouldn't be allowed to do this and the Bible should stay in people's homes, not be forced on others. I'd like to see Cliffe and Stuart go to an Islamic country and try telling them their religion is false as we got the right one lol. They'd be visiting the holy spirit they think is real.
@@VoidEmergentFox The professor asks a question, receive an answer and answer back. In contrast, some would just leave. Fairy Tale or not, its a good debate.
@@joshuachua2491 I disagree lol it's a guy being rational VS someone who is trying g to get their message across with anger, arrogance and a book of fairy tales. It's not a debate. Often these debates are just the atheist beating the theist with a stick.and Cliffe is the one who attempts to do that as per his character but he can't believe he believes in nonsense and he just looks silly either way. If you knew him more and how he works, it's definitely not a debate. He doesn't care about that guy's words at all, but the person questioning him does and wants him to him to question his faith. This is what all the debates are really about.
Simply amazing debate. The while bible is the word of God, even though sometimes is hard to grasp on it, but faith and revelation of the holy spiritual makes us understand that, our little bare minds made out of dust can’t handle it by itself.
And the truth shall set you free. Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." The truth was spoken, even though it isn't always heard. It is up to us to speak the truth. We are not responsible for the hearing.
This guy is in love with himself and full of anger. He loves showing off to the bystanders in trying to disprove God’s love and judgment. He loves to hear himself. He does not know how to listen. Kick the dust off your heels and walk away.
@@bonnie43uk you’re opinion and your right to. He was not humble enough to accept that he may be wrong or stand to be corrected. There was anger in his voice.
@@bonnie43uk Not. In his frustration, cliff is trying to answer his questions but the guy doesn’t allow cliff to finish one question before the guy fires another salvo of questions at him. Cliff is just overwhelmed with this guys constant bombardment of attacks and can barely catch his breath. Cliff is not speaking with anger at all. And so if he is. Jesus spoke with anger to the Pharisees but had good reason to. This guy was not speaking to glorify God but speaking against Him. Cliff is both defending and praising God. Big difference.
Two men having a very hot argument, yet are able to embrace eachother as men, as human beings created by God.
Thanks for bringing this to light. That’s good stuff. I was honestly heated myself cause the guy seemed to have so much intellectual gander around the truth. Like he devoted his life to it. Whereas cliffe loves Christ so much that his arguments were just common knowledge. Glory to the throne. The Holy Spirit that resides inside of us when we have faith is truly unexplainable, and powerful. Amen.
@@mirandahotspring4019everything is run by god
@@mirandahotspring4019 Let me stop you there Miranda. If we’re cosmic accidents, then moral relativism exists. That means if I slapped someone in the face, it wouldn’t matter. Because that’s just more matter and energy bumping into more matter and energy. What I want you to explain to me is what you’re living for. If there were a God, and if you didn’t give into your atheist perspectives, you would understand: it is to love each other as best as we can, and to serve and praise God by not sinning against ourselves, and living in the truth, as best as we can. 2; Love is not quantifiable. Love is not science. Try to have a ‘scientific date.’.. try to give a numerical value to the love you feel for your parents. Science is incredibly important, but it cannot give a reasonable explanation for why us humans have love in our hearts. Point 3, branching off the first: the reason I know we aren’t evolved is because of the order and design of the universe. As a human being created in the image of God, one who is a graphic designer; I know that making things takes a lot of effort. And when you look at the human body (doctors every day) or at the complex nervous system of animals (vets)- heck even plants (biologist) you would understand that science proves God all the time, from human anatomy to those who study space (if it exists). We didn’t make these immense and powerful machines. And for a cosmic accident to do so, still assuming your moral relativism isn’t a thing- then that would be very hard thing to explain! Finally, Miranda, first step to understanding that God is real, from me, Ayden, so that you may understand the truth, is realizing; that God is the basis that this country, the United States I presume you live in, was created on. In our pledge we say ‘one nation under God.’ Many nations and countries and establishments were created by this basis, not just the United States, to become great, and to strive for truth… Let’s say you took a trip to Africa and decided to go with your friends on a boating trip, and along the way you get lost. There are two alternate universes; one where you arrive to an unknown island, and a group of angry tribal men bombard your boat with arrows. You and your friends become pierced and die! Now in the other timeline; you arrive to this island. The tribal men are angry… but they believe in God. You live, they rescue you, and turn you into the government officials to be brought back to where you came. You should understand; the mere idea of God, has created so much good. The most good. Ever. And so atheism is a dangerous place my dear. Jesus Christ (who yes, was God humbling himself to be a human so he could serve as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins) was the biggest- and one of the first symbols that people got to see- of a loving, a powerful, an all knowing God. My speech is over. I am saying this so that you may read the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John (one of ‘em first please) so that you may realize for yourself if this Jesus is truly the true son of God in human form, or if he was just blowing smoke. It’s up to you. In this world we cannot claim to not have enough evidence of God, if we have eyewitness accounts of him.
@@socialmediaaccount4206 I was like that once. I struggled to understand, to comprehend a just God when confronted with various things. It took me longer than I'd like to admit, to simply sit down and treat the bible fairly.
@@adamherman460dont bother brother ive already talked with this scoffer all they're goals are is to spread hate and to shake your faith
That conversation Cliffe had with that first guy was one of the most challenging I've seen on this channel...
I do not know if cliff realizes it but if you take this guy's message all the way to the end point. It is the progressive message that nobody should ever be punished for anything because there is a reason for everything. Nobody truly has any free will to make their own choices.
His argument of not wanting to hurt people and loving people does not hold any water when other people Are actively hurting others. Cliff basically explained this immediately and then he went crazy later screaming like a social Justice Warrior
@@simshengvue5799 wow that is deep. He really was just saying don't punish them don't give them justice to the people that died and the children they burned alive.
@@simshengvue5799 Both Cliffe and that guy were getting heated with each other so I don't think it's quite right to call him an SJW for that. It was immediately obvious to me that the guy was well-read and really knew what he was talking about, like more than me even. That's why that conversation was difficult - I think most of the people Cliffe debates with haven't really studied the Bible or taken the Word seriously, let alone other writings from other theologians, and this is one of the few times Cliffe is discussing with someone who genuinely has.
Running through the back of my mind in that conversation though was that I think that guy didn't quite understand that death on Earth isn't the end; if it was, I think the death of innocent children and babies for the sins of their parents would have been completely inexcusable. But because we know there is a heaven and that the innocent caught in the crossfire of evil will ultimately be given proper justice, as well as the ones that did evil, then I have a much easier time coming to terms with what was done and why it had to be done. The man wasn't quite getting that though, and I think that's why Cliffe was getting frustrated, because he wasn't sure how else to explain that. The next step I think would be for the man to come to terms with the idea of ultimate justice.
I ❤ cliff
i just wanted you to know that God loves you. How? He gave up His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, so that if we confess our sins (we can one, be cleansed from unrighteousness (check out 1 john 1:9), and repent, and by God's grace and through Jesus's commendable sacrifice we can be forgiven
The phrase "uncovering nakedness" (*'ervah* in Hebrew) is often used in the context of sexual relations, particularly in passages discussing prohibited sexual conduct.
1. **Leviticus 18:6**
- "None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the Lord."
2. **Leviticus 18:7**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness."
3. **Leviticus 18:8**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness."
4. **Leviticus 18:9**
- "The nakedness of your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether born at home or born outside, their nakedness you shall not uncover."
5. **Leviticus 18:10**
- "The nakedness of your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, their nakedness you shall not uncover; for their nakedness is yours."
6. **Leviticus 18:11**
- "The nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, born to your father, she is your sister; you shall not uncover her nakedness."
7. **Leviticus 18:12**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s blood relative."
8. **Leviticus 18:13**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s blood relative."
9. **Leviticus 18:14**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother; you shall not approach his wife, she is your aunt."
10. **Leviticus 18:15**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness."
11. **Leviticus 18:16**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness."
12. **Leviticus 18:17**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, nor shall you take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are blood relatives. It is lewdness."
13. **Leviticus 18:18**
- "You shall not marry a woman in addition to her sister as a rival while she is alive, to uncover her nakedness."
14. **Leviticus 20:11**
- "If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
15. **Leviticus 20:17**
- "If there is a man who takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace; and they shall be cut off in the sight of the sons of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness; he bears his guilt."
16. **Leviticus 20:19**
- "You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister or of your father’s sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they will bear their guilt."
17. **Leviticus 20:20**
- "If there is a man who lies with his uncle’s wife, he has uncovered his uncle’s nakedness; they will bear their sin. They will die childless."
18. **Leviticus 20:21**
- "If there is a man who takes his brother’s wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother’s nakedness. They will be childless."
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Thank you for posting this comment. It shows a great level of research and has probably helped all that read it 👍
Amen!
Also, the way he went and told his brothers sounds to me to seek humiliating his father, that's why he called his brothers, so they too could laugh at him, that's why they were looking backwards so they don't fall into that
Excellent comment!
"Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.” -Psalms 50:15
I dont understand could you explain please
It means that you can ask God for help. And when you do ask God for help you glorify him. You glorify him when you ask because in doing so you say God you are worthy to help me through this situation. It’s like if I asked you for help on a math test. I ask you for help because I think that you know how to solve the problem I’m dealing with. Because I think that you’re smart in some way shape or form.
@@ColtonHoward-sn9vp Okay thank you 🙂
🥺🙏🏾 Amen
Amen
I love how ppl say why does God allow evil but then when he does do something about it it’s immoral and bad
@@Artanis15 Boy you're right about that
It's how God deals with punishing the evil that people have a problem with. They want God to pluck them out of existence suddenly and without warning. But people fail to connect the fact that we, as people, effectively told God we want to be separate from Him. And so, since God honored our request, He works through us to remove evil from the world. One of the consequences of us wanting to be separate from God, is that when evil is to be taken out of the world, the means that it's done with its messy at best.
Thats because all human beings are flawed and a hypocrite. We as humans must come to terms that we are not perfect. We are not always right. We almost always choose our ego over everything else during our decision making. We are very acceptable and very surely capable to do evil. We are sinners.
And when people who doesnt come into terms with what they are, they reject god, run away from god, deny god, doesnt even have any amount of interest to god. Hence, they dont want to study or do research or any intellectual thinking when it comes to the existence or teaching of god and the gospels.
Well, he allowed slavery and grape and did nothing about it.
Is that a better critique?
@@KasperKatje I mean yea if you think that’s God fault rather than the humans who do that act then sure it’s his fault by your way of thinking, but god has the ultimate insurance of heaven and hell so he doesn’t need to interfere here and now, ppl who murder and grape and cheat others and steal without repentance will already get their punishment for their evil that they’ve inflicted on others.
Whew that 1st debate was SPICY 🔥
Forreal. Lol. But yet they hug at the end. Incredible
I was just where the professor was at, and still have some of those thoughts. I LOVED passions on both sides. One of the most captivating talks from 2 Christians
Yeah, pretty interesting
cliff never answers with a yes or no. he is dishonest. if i wasn’t the anti-christ, he would be.
@@FatherSonSpirit1Honestly, the guy had a pretty compelling point to make but was also being a bit disingenuous by putting words in Cliffe's mouth. Frustrating yet fascinating debate to watch!
What I love is that even tho Im not an atheist, the questions they ask are questions that I have. Why I tune in all the time.
Yeah those questions are great, thank God Cliffe shares the answers so nonchalantly
Every time I have a certain question I get an episode recommended to me and it answers it lol
This is God speaking to you brother.
@@JoshHarmon-i3ewhy does god need to speak through a grifting American preacher?
The slaughter at Jericho is the most legitimate question about murder. The 10 Commandments were already in place, and murder was committed.God violated his own commandment?!
as usual Christ puts the right and correct words in the mouth of Cliff Knechtle.
Dude, God really helps Cliff answer all these questions in some of the best ways that I have ever seen.
@@ErenYaeger-x8oif I was asked these questions, I’m afraid I will stutter answering them
Amen
That sounds rather cultic.
@@TheDanEdwardshow?
I love how that Professor had the humility to hug Cliffe at the end. When I debate with unbelievers I try to view them as my future brothers. I try to picture them 5-10 years from now how easily lovable their personalities would be as believers.
thats why the Lord says we should not stop praying to them but keep believing that they will be saved and in the book of life in Jesus name
Exactly. It’s hard believing that my father will no longer be an alcoholic and it’s been 20 plus years but I keep trying to be the light. It’s hard but I will never hate him
I do the same with believers 10 years later finally finding that they follow a book wrote by cave men...they would be lovable atheists...
@@peaceandfood7952 if it helps you like them more in the moment and listen I’d say that’s good… I was just talking about one strategy to listen and like someone in a heated debate where I unfairly start disliking a person based on their belief. Obviously I can love my atheist friends for who they are also but it’s hard to see in that moment
@@domcruise274 the problem atheist don't claim anything we just don't believe you guys.
I’m going back into Christianity after being lukewarm for years, and listening and watching these videos help answer my questions.
Amen! Another brother/sister of Christ.
Amen.
Amen
Amen 🙏.
😂😂😂 then read the bible instead of following man duh duh 😂😂😂
Thank you Pastor Cliffe for standing in faith with Jesus. 😊❤
If only Cliffe would be honest about what the Bible says.
@TheDanEdwards if cliffe isn't honest, then could YOU please tell me what the honest truth is?
@@TheDanEdwardshonest? He is honest. Unless you believe he should submit your own opinion which isn’t being honest.
Cliff is a magnificent communicator! Many times ppl are both angry and don't take the time to read the entire Bible.
Dude read the Bible. He read it as a novel with a heart of stone. Pray for him. He needs it. He is so intellectual he is going to think himself straight to sheol.
Huh
i just wanted you to know that God loves you. How? He gave up His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, so that if we confess our sins (we can one, be cleansed from unrighteousness (check out 1 john 1:9), and repent, and by God's grace and through Jesus's commendable sacrifice we can be forgiven
@@manda1370 amen!
I see so when we read Leviticus 25:44-46 we have to read it with an open heart what does that mean exactly?
@peaceandfood7952 nope. Just in context. It would behoove you to not pluck out verses of the Bible and actually read it in context. Who was Leviticus written to? When was it written, and why was it written? I'm not expecting you to actually do any reading due to the hardness of your heart and disdain for our Creator. But thought I'd make the suggestion anyway.
What I love most about Cliff is that he doesn’t put people down for not understanding. Time after time I see so many Christians online being almost brutal to people that don’t understand or get things wrong.
Jesus, the Second Person of Trinity was in league with the Father when the decision to destroy the Amalakites was taken after 400 years of warning them to stop sacrificing their children to Molech.
They didn’t; God acted.
The man hasn’t realised there is no argument/indecision/disagreement amongst the Trinity.
That guys i would say has the true essence of God. Kind in speech yet strict and harshly firm to God's teachings when needed to. My God help with his temper because sometimes i feel like Cliffe is about to lose his mind with some people.
LOVE to see how Cliff is blowing up on TH-cam. it is inhuman how hard it is to have arguments like this and maintain one's cool over and over and over. I'd fall apart being subjected to this intense discourse day after day after day. it's absolutely exhausting.
Cliff is evidence of fruit of the Spirit. The professor came charging in with many accusations. But Cliff spoke to him without demeaning him or antagonizing him. What’s sad is that the professor’s idea of choosing to deny certain parts of Scripture and God in the name of Jesus is ultimately saying that he himself decides what Jesus stood, who God is, and what justice is. Pride wrapped in a lot of fancy words. Pray for his soul.
I couldn't agree more! ❤
Imagine making up your own mind and not following a 1800 year old book with multiple contradictions and false history.
Wrong he says he trusts and follow Gof cause he has a life 😂😂😂
I'm so blessed to watch a cliff's classic while having lunch😅
Eating while playing Cliffe is low key my favorite hobby
The ending of the first debate is absolutely priceless 👌🏿
Christianity doesnt shy away from any question because its the truth and its right.
true of every long lasting religion. Every system of belief is tested with questions
@black-cross isn't it funny that most of the major religions believe in Christ. Some deny His humanity (I'm lookin at u JW's) Some deny His diety (say howdy to Islam) but all have to steal from the 1 true God to make their religion hold water.
very true❤️
Would you be my slave under the rules of exodus?
“Is God a monster?”
No; I am the monster. I don’t deserve his forgiveness or love and the fact that I have either is the most beautiful, difficult to comprehend, extraordinarily powerful love, anyone could ever hope to be touched by.
Thank you for loving me and dying for this unworthy human being, dear Jesus Christ. Thank you for seeing me in the most intimately informed way possible and choosing to love and heal me, despite my extraordinary failures.
Thank you Jesus. 🙏 ❤
This isn't such a bad thing. Be careful not to condemn yourself too harshly, as I did. As a Christian, I was suicidal in my shame
@@davidsewell9227
Your warning is valuable. I am not in danger of indulging in self hate or living in shame. I exist in the facts and put my energy towards being the best I can be. God bless you and thank you for caring enough to make sure I’m not hurting.
You are wrong about yourself not being deserving
Why do you say thank you Jesus? Why is everyone obsessed with Jesus? Didn't Jesus say I do my father's will not mine, didn't he beg not to be crucified? doesn't all glory go to the father. Why statutes of Jesus in churches, why focus so much on Jesus, wasn't he pointing people to God? Just curious.
You aren't a monster
It was God and you followed his curse on earth and wasn't a choice or you make others suffer too
Stop dreaming
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, classic Cliff is awesome! We need more classic Cliff videos!
Yeah more emotion and tools for defending. It’s all Stans asking questions now, they should filter the new audience so it’s mostly unbelievers asking questions.
I listen to Cliff and Stuart all the time while I’m driving for work and I’ll often catch myself saying I need some Cliff when I get stressed or it gets too quiet, but I catch myself and say that I really need Jesus. Cliff is just a great communicator for Jesus, and I wish there were more Cliffs tho 😂
1st debate was one of the best I’ve seen so far! Nice job Cliffe.
it was very good, the professor raised some excellent points. Good to see them embrace at the end, thats how debates should end 🙂
This was great! The first man showed respect and had a healthy civilized debate and they even embraced each other in the end. God is good!!❤
i love how people attentively listening to this spirtual battle⚡🙏
Yes it's amazing...
Hi Cliffe
Uve rlly helped me a lot with my faith and ur videos inspire me to share the gospel with my friends
Wow. Classic Cliffe. This is better than anything on Netflix. 🔥
Great comedy you mean? :)
Incredible back and forth, that opponent is such a great speaker, just like cliff
Holy, that was a heated debate
I really enjoy this one
Bravo cliffe! You stood your ground, as you are well grounded in the scriptures. I think that man walked away with alot to think about.
I don’t get tired of these videos.
AMEN and Amen.
Watching from the pacific islands.
Cliff still on fire 🔥 for Jesus.
We praise God for you keep teaching
The hug at the end gave me goosebumps
In a good way, right?
@leonardooberdadealmeidamon2305 great to see them so fired up and hug after
This is an incredibly intriguing discussion with deep philosophical implications. It's truly remarkable to witness the convergence of extensive knowledge, profound wisdom, and impassioned perspectives, even when they agree fundamentally but are starkly contrasting at the same time
I wish I could be more like you and spread God's word
For and you too reach such virtue we most read the bible from the start to the end and prey to God for wisdom. Amen?
I've loved and followed Cliff for a while now. This is by far my favorite exchange. I love it when two Superior intellects get past stupid teenage culture disagree and still love Jesus and hug it out at the end. That was awesome!
I love how that one kid tried to question Cliff's knowledge of the bible and got owned. Cliff knows more about the bible than anyone else I've ever heard.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Knew what his younger son had done to him. Cliff is correct , there is something that happened not just oopsie I saw dad naked.
isn’t it referring to Noah seeing that he was covered? isn’t that a good thing, to cover his nakedness? why was he punished, what are you inferring that the youngest son did to his father?
@driftingdandelion the youngest son told his 2 brothers of his father's nakedness and he didn't cover his dad up , his brothers did.
Why does there have to be more ? looking at your father while he's naked by itself is wicked. If my son looked at me like that I'd go get my riffle from the garage
scripture before, the younger son sees his dad Noah drunken and naked (likely in part bc he was depressed, the world had been flooded), and it says he told his brothers (and was like making fun of him). His other brother did right, by covering their fathers nakedness and not looking at him. Because of what the younger son did, Noah got upset and cursed him
@@driftingdandelion Multiple times the Torah uses the phrase "uncovered his/her nakedness or saw his/her nakedness and mutiple times its clearly a reference and context to FAR more that just stumbling in on someone naked or even voyeurism.
I love how you help me to understand the context of the bible. Keep doing what you're doing and do not let the hate stop you. Thank you for what you do!
Man, that professor's hackles really got raised once Cliff brought up going back to the original Hewbrew. It seems like he felt really threatened in his own beliefs that he couldn't make Cliff doubt the Bible, hence why he got so heated after that. He desperately wanted Cliff to express the same doubts he himself felt, so he would feel justified in them, but Cliff kept coming at him with amazing answers and he just couldn't handle it.
I'm ashamed to say i sometimes act like this professor, good to know i have wonderful people that can teach me in the good was of God.
man I think I got a new favorite Cliffe video
same
that first debate knocked my socks clean off into next Tuesday
I love that they hug and accept the conversation and embrace.
This was really good debating from both sides, it’s really interesting.
I appreciate the first guy for bringing up such hard questions
Cliff Cliff God is using you and I enjoy every video of you 💪🏽💪🏽🙏🏽Jesus is coming back 🙏🏽
you are very open mind. You expose the biblical issue that so hard for some believer like us to comprehend the way it should be. Thanks for what you had done. It mean a lot for us that dont understand historicall, cultural, faith interpretation of the bible. You did precious things. God bless u pastor
Masterpiece of a rational thinking and Bible knowledge.
I am amazed they let people like him teach our children! Cliff thank you for being a great communicator and schooling this know it all!
22:28 wow, cliff leaves it all in Gods hands.
Amen 🙌
Its awesome that Cliffe already had an idea how this argument will go. His opening and closing remarks are the same. Such an awesome rebuttal. That professor's life was changed after that.
So beautifully powerful! So so powerful! To the Glory of our GOD.
Cliff saying “I have that right! Get a life!” made me laugh out loud. Cliff was so so patient with an obviously bitter, cold hearted individual who just..wouldn’t ever listen no matter what was said. He didn’t come to this event to listen but to fight.
Go cliffe go!!! You are amazing!!
that professor was so passionate and on fire but he is a gentlemen. at the end he understood Cliff explanation .
What an Amazing Debate! Wow!
"I'm not finish sir please" Cliffe is such a class act.
I love you all. Forgive others, live a Godly life, read your bible daily, talk and listen to God, repent, stay focused on eternal life in Heaven and stay calm when more prophecys come forward. Dont live for this world. Trust Him❤✝️❤️
God bless you🙏❤️
Amen god bless you 🙏🏼💙☦️
THANK GOD, for Cliffe Knechtle, to provide the Professor with answers.
This one was wiiiiild. I’m exhausted haha go Cliffe!!!!
So happy Cliffe wrapped up the conversation with the second guy. He went down that path with him in a past video.
This is truly literally spiritual
Warfare
The hug. Bless you both. Quite the debate.❤
I have to give it to cliff he’s really calm and not losing his temper
Dang man God is good, the first debate was good and informative
Now that was fire!
God Himself absolutely sent Cliffe to change this world. He has made such an impact on my life and I pray that I may have a fraction of the strength that God has given him to voice His message. God bless you all.
Cliffe’s patience is unmatched
This is an excellent example how context or lack of it can affect perceptions.
I'll join the many voices who say the way the 1st debat ended was perfect. It was. That's what debates should be. When we have expressed our beliefs in the face of difficult situations, let us shake hands and embrace, and let whatever God/Christ/Spirit we (do or do not) believe in do the rest.
This is soo precious ❤❤❤
Atheists arguing for reason and goodness, yet that's absent in their worldview
this is a prime example that an athiest who says thier is no God but then starts questioning the things in the bible that they dont believe in proves exactly what Romans 1 says God will punish the wicked who supress the truth by thier unrighteousness for they know the truth about God for he made completly obvoius to them
@@thomasfuentes2913 Of course! When asked why it's evil, they can't give a coherent reason.
@@raphaelfeneje486right the reason why they dont cause thier to admit that its true for they care more about thier pride than for the love Jesus has for them
@@thomasfuentes2913 True!
@@raphaelfeneje486 I can give a perfectly rational reason why something is evil, human beings are social creatures, we thrive when we help one another and cooperate, committing evil acts goes against that premise. No god is required to know this.
Blessings sir, for being an effective Evangelist for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Blessings and prayers from this old man in Tennessee.
If I had to debate this guy, I would lose my salvation 😂😂😂 God bless YALL and thank God for the wisdom in these videos.
Same! 🤣🤣🤣
The way they hug at the end shows me the intellectual and ethical level of both of those 2.
The Biblical God is good!
People’s Hearts are so harden to Gods Word. Praying that their Hearts be softened.
I love how the second this guy starts questioning the legitimacy of the Word, he starts stumbling over his words and stammering.
Cliffe,you are such an intelligent and blessing from Our Father...thank you for helping me understand things..God bless
It is not because people say they are Christians and they act terribly that it means GOD is not good.
I see Pastor cliffe beauty of Jesus, may God bless Pastor cliffe❤
The Holy Spirit is strong in him.
Man that was awesome!
The first conversation was pretty epic😊
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding
He reads the Bible to condemn not to understand.
He refuses to open the door as Christ knocks
Absolute treasure of a video omg
Regarding "uncovering nakedness of father' My theory would be ham probably had sexual intercourse with his mother. (Because uncovering father nakedness refers to having sexual relation with your father's wife ) Canan would be child from that incestual relationship.. That's why Noah cursed Canan..Anyway This was the most intense debate I have ever seen on askcliffe..God bless you Cliffe 💜
That first guy really had me in the first half, then later both being lovely and respectful
chapter 1 verse 3 of making shit up
@@dperkins01It's in Leviticus 18
I think seeing his father's nakedness was not a sin; what was the sin was when he told his brothers about his father's nakedness-disrespecting his father and trying to undermine his authority. Unless there was/is a language translation that would point to another potential interpretation. The sin was disrespecting his mother and father and intentionally undermining his father's authority.
We just making up theories now? Why do we not just say what the text said happened?
Fascinating debate, lots of respect to that prof
To anyone dealing with depression or feeling low, don’t give up on life, no matter what bad things happened in your past, don’t let them define you or control your destiny, you are all important and loved!, there is hope for all of us!
Jesus loves you all ✝️, get to know God through Christ 📖
Big hug Cliffe, God is Good !
The reason Ham was banned is found in Leviticus 20:11. We don’t need to know Hebrew to know that one. But that professor showed he didn’t study…
Thank God for you Cliff.
Old Cliffe video NICEEEE I KNOW HES GOING TO COOK
I don't think it's an old video
No different than his new videos. They are all great
i think its in the year 2005 or 6
Recorded at FIU, Spring 2005.
@@raphaelfeneje486 20y ago man 😂
This is my favorite video so far! Way to go, Cliffe!
This man debating Cliffe is teaching the youth folks. That tells you everything about our education system
What does that say about anything. Who cares if a guy teaching the youth doesn't know anything about the Bible? It's not necessary knowledge or knowledge worth having and it's not even knowledge, it's a made up story. These two are out here teaching this stuff like it's true or it even matters and it's just silly. Millions of people live their every day life without this nonsense in it and they're fine. Besides, the two he is debating are dishonest interlocutors. They're not even real people, they're trolls. They actually believe this stuff or at least they say they do, we're not even sure, but they don't care what the other person has to say. They're just there
to preach their Opinion ABOUT A FAIRY TALE. These people shouldn't be allowed to do this and the Bible should stay in people's homes, not be forced on others. I'd like to see Cliffe and Stuart go to an Islamic country and try telling them their religion is false as we got the right one lol. They'd be visiting the holy spirit they think is real.
@@VoidEmergentFox
The professor asks a question, receive an answer and answer back. In contrast, some would just leave.
Fairy Tale or not, its a good debate.
@@joshuachua2491 I disagree lol it's a guy being rational VS someone who is trying g to get their message across with anger, arrogance and a book of fairy tales. It's not a debate. Often these debates are just the atheist beating the theist with a stick.and Cliffe is the one who attempts to do that as per his character but he can't believe he believes in nonsense and he just looks silly either way. If you knew him more and how he works, it's definitely not a debate. He doesn't care about that guy's words at all, but the person questioning him does and wants him to him to question his faith. This is what all the debates are really about.
Simply amazing debate. The while bible is the word of God, even though sometimes is hard to grasp on it, but faith and revelation of the holy spiritual makes us understand that, our little bare minds made out of dust can’t handle it by itself.
God didn't curse Canaan, Noah did. It's pretty easy reading.
Exactly, the Bible literally tells many things that people did, but they say God did it 🤦🏾♀️ makes no sense...
I admire Cliffes understanding and his ability to communicate scripture
And the truth shall set you free. Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." The truth was spoken, even though it isn't always heard. It is up to us to speak the truth. We are not responsible for the hearing.
20:54
I love how this intense conversation ended with Cliffe coming full circle on his first point about hell and the day of judgement
Also i think this gentleman was on the same side as Cliffe here he just assumed his position on the subject
This guy is in love with himself and full of anger. He loves showing off to the bystanders in trying to disprove God’s love and judgment. He loves to hear himself. He does not know how to listen. Kick the dust off your heels and walk away.
Let’s pray for him 😢❤
I didn't view him as angry, he made some excellent points.
@@bonnie43uk you’re opinion and your right to. He was not humble enough to accept that he may be wrong or stand to be corrected. There was anger in his voice.
@@Marrio49 the same could be said of Cliffe Marrio
@@bonnie43uk Not. In his frustration, cliff is trying to answer his questions but the guy doesn’t allow cliff to finish one question before the guy fires another salvo of questions at him. Cliff is just overwhelmed with this guys constant bombardment of attacks and can barely catch his breath. Cliff is not speaking with anger at all. And so if he is. Jesus spoke with anger to the Pharisees but had good reason to. This guy was not speaking to glorify God but speaking against Him. Cliff is both defending and praising God. Big difference.
Wow, this was a tough one and Cliff was much yonger then. But, he gave his utmost best. Love it. Always learn a lot.
BLESS YOU