@@smistgoman So did I! Fell in love w/ "Generations" on home video. It's soooo underrated. But even w/ other favorable reviews, none quite recapture the *feel* of discovery during a good story that manages -- mostly through the incredible talents involved -- to transcend its flaws.
I watched it in the cinema as a 10-year-old, and I loved it! Me and my friends were quoting Data's "Oh shit!" for a long time afterwards, and laughing every time
The Data subplot fits the whole theme. Data finally gets something he's dreamed of for years and finds out that humanity isn't a list of boxes to mark off, but is instead the constant effort to push forward.
Not to mention Data completes his evolution into a fully realized synthetic human -- a new form of life -- in contrast to Picard's loss along with his, Kirk, and Soran's confrontation of their own mortality. The death-and-creation cycle may not have even been on purpose (the result of a studio note, even), but it's still there, in the text of the film: a whole theme expressed in contrasting story archs of the show's two strongest characters.
I think you’re stretching but I get your point. Regardless, the data stuff was god awful. It would’ve been ok had he struggled to deal with it without acting embarrassingly buffoonish and silly. It’s brutal to watch. I doubt suddenly having emotion would make someone dance around, sing and suddenly curse.
@@tolkienjr9609 I agree with you, but it goes along with Spiner's ego who was always so desperate to show his "range" in a way that Data couldn't allow him to. It was over the top and silly and it needed more than a movie to deal with it. I wish they had let Data put in the emotion chip in season 7 and give the character the time he needed to deal with these new emotions. It would have given the audience something new to enjoy.
The Amount of Things scrapped for "budget reasons" is insane. I get the Space Battles, but Uniforms? Come on, it was a big franchise at the time, spend some damn money to make a good movie.
I heard the main reason they were scrapped wasn't the money but that they simply didn't look good in Real Life and didn't move right. And nobody knew how much moore money it would cost to fix them.
The cheapest part of the whole movie was not bothering to change the characters' dialogue in the script after they replaced Spock and McCoy with Scotty and Chekov.
Literally was the first thought I had, was, "...Alright, I've got a couple stops to make, oh, magic Guinan can I do that...? If not, Earth, my family's place, the day before they died in a fire. Could use a family meal and then be a bloody hero. Also, I'm gonna bring Kirk, think he'd like France, and then, not that you need to know this, but, I'll just contact the Enterprise when I arrive, call a *Q type moment* - be back soon, arrest Soran, you'll be picking him up at the space station, in a couple days, also he's a bad guy, he's going to blow that star up, either stop him, or get out before that destroys you...okay, head back to Earth when you finish up. Likely going to need a ride. Picard out." Like a painful plot hole, saddened me even as a kid.
You summed that up brilliantly. The sheer number of facepalm moments, along with plot holes you could fly a borg cube through, completely deflate any tension and take me out of the story. If not for ILM I would have never watched it more than once.
I can forgive all the other stuff, but the time travel thing is the dumbest thing that can't be forgiven. All they had to do was add some artificial limit - you can only go back to the time where you entered the Nexus. Picard knows he can't stop Soren himself because he failed already, so he brings Kirk along.
And the whole time the Enterprise could have just destroyed Soran's rocket with a single torpedo or phaser blast. This was such a disappointing big screen premiere of a successful show.
18:37 "The only Star Trek Movie to feel like a Christmas movie". That's it. That is exactly how I felt about Generations. It really is a very good Christmas movie, set in Star Trek, without even hammering on the Christmas part of it even.
the nexus scenes did kind of have a "it's a wonderful life" feel to them. plus the movie came out a month before the christmas season. Generations also came out a few days before my brother's 16th birthday. Actually most of these star trek movie's in the 90's came out around his birthday or mine (mine is Dec.13th. to be exact.)lol! which always ened up being a birthday gift to him or me from our mom and dad! LoL!
Honestly, for me, the chemistry between Shatner and Stewart makes this whole film fly. Yeah, they don't spend much time together, but every second felt full, and they reacted to each other in ways that felt correct. I have a friend who consistently wishes there was more conflict, but...why? There's utterly no reason for these two men to have a prolonged conflict, and Kirk is a hero...The moment when he realizes he's living a lie inside the Nexus, his desire to "make a difference," and act for the good of others, would automatically come into play. And I'm with you on the cinematography....these are (relatively) cheap TV sets, and they look far, far more gorgeous that anyone could have expected.
What chemistry? They don't even seem to be listening to each other in the movie. Kirk talks about his regrets in life, his advice on life and being a Captain and what he wants from it all and all Picard keeps repeating is "come back with me" as if Picard isn't even bothering to listen to him. It's so disjointed.
How would that make you feel as an actor showing up for your costume fitting... “Yeah, so Paramount would’t spring for a new uniform for you. Here’s a borrowed one that sort of fits. Good luck, have a great shoot!”
I think it demonstrates the rushed nature of this film's production. I don't think there was time to make costumes for everyone. So Frakes, who's like 6 foot 3, has to wear a costume made for Brooks, who's like 5'9".
This movie was my gateway into Star Trek. It was an in-flight movie that I saw at a fairly young age, and I’d never seen anything like it. From that point on, I was hooked to the franchise!
Kirk's death was done very well. I'll always remember, "Oh my" as his last words. My old man (FATHER) had a tear in his eyes when he watched this. It was the last movie we watched before he passed away.
If you visit the Valley of Fire State Park in Nevada just north of Las Vegas you can see where Kirk Died and they have the part of the metal walk-way he was on! ....
And in effect he got to die heroically twice. Once saving the Enterprise B (although he didn't technically die, he was considered dead as far as Starfleet was concerned, dying a hero), and he then got to actually die helping his future opposite number. Some argued he should have died in battle, but that would have been too obvious. And besides, we very rarely get to choose how we die. As it was, he still had two good deaths.
The idea of Kirk going down as captain of the Enterprise-D is so awesome and I literally have goosebumps just thinking about what that would’ve looked like.
I think this is how it should have happened as well. Maybe even have Kirk somehow crash the saucer section into Soran's device area on the planet before it launches into the star.
I’m part of the generation that grew up with one show, and I was 9 when the first movie came out. I didn’t have a problem with how Kirk died, because he died a hero, saving millions of lives. I had a problem with what happened afterwards. I wanted to see Starfleet’s greatest captain lying in state at Starfleet HQ. What I got was Data finding his cat and Kirk left under a pile of rocks like some gunslinger in an old western.
They did the Enterprise-D dirty. Only thing that really bugs me about the movie. "What's that? A rust bucket Klingon bird of prey is firing at us? Continuous fire all phasers and a volley of torpedoes should take care of that" **Worf presses 3 buttons**
@@youtubehandlescostmemyusername I think Enterprise D would have taken out a single Vor'cha, there would have to be at least 2 of them or better yet 3 D'deridex warbirds that Enterprise takes with her.
@@chiroquacker2580 Not without shields and reeling from an alpha-strike sucker punch. The Vor'cha is no slouch. In a straight fight, the Enterprise would be limping home victorious and battered 1on1.
There really should have been an after-action review that came to the conclusion that bloated luxury liners probably shouldn't be the flagships of Starfleet.
Rewatching Generations as an Adult, after re-watching the entire TNG series through in-order. This movie instantly became one of my favorites. The emotional impact it had on me as an adult because of Picard's arc...and we lost a Character: The Enterprise-D. Something forgotten in JJ-Trek is that the SHIPS were characters themselves. Those long shots of the ships weren't just filler, they were there to make us know the ships...and they came to FEEL like home. Like characters themselves. Watching the show all the way through you could FEEL the loss in that final scene: "I doubt this will be the last ship to carry the name Enterprise" hit me. I literally felt the emotion. This is a perfect movie, and honestly is one of the best TNG movies. It's TNG at it's best.
The destruction of the Enterprise to a 70 year old Bird of Prey was borderline insulting and the recycling footage from Star Trek 6 added salt to the wound.
@@purefoldnz3070 Modern diesel electric submarines using modern battery technology are very quiet and deadly. They can sink enemy ships just as well as a much more expensive nuclear submarine. A lot of countries that have advanced technology still build them. The USA no longer uses diesel submarines for operational reasons since we deploy our subs worldwide and need the range and endurance afforded by nuclear power. Diesel electric submarines are used more for costal defense.
Enterprise D with Kirk in command should have gone down in a blaze of glory taking 3 D'deridex warbirds with them. None of this defective bird of prey and dropping the bridge on Kirk nonsense.
Imagine the progression if each 7-year series cast went on to do movies. Kirk allies himself with Picard in VII to give his stamp of approval. Picard unexpectedly has to duke it out with Sisko in XIII. Sisko's the one to welcome Janeway home in XIX.
I haven’t read all the comments, so this may be in here. All of Chekhov’’s lines are Dr. McCoys’s. They never rewrote the dialogue when DeForest Kelly said he wasn’t interested. It’s why you have Chekhov meeting the refugees and administering medicine:
I really like this film, too. Especially Picard basically summing up its morals by saying “Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." His delivery never fails to tug at my heartstrings, and it's so very Star Trek, so very TNG, and so very Picard.
I was so pleased to hear that you enjoy this film. It kinda feels like the OG equivalent of Star Trek Beyond to me: a bigger, better, more bombastic episode that just happens to be feature-length. The emotional beats, thematic storytelling and intended sentiment, alongside it's sense of fun and adventure is just so pleasing to watch. Plus, Kirk's death is to me honestly kinda perfect. I've said before that I find the 'small' nature of his death so much more impactful than any bombastic over-the-top conclusion; he died doing what he always did, saving the day on a planet made up of vague desert landscapes and rocks. And as you say, Shatner really pulled out his best performance for those last few minutes. It makes me tear up every single time. From an objective standpoint I would still argue that this is at the very least among the top 5, but personally it's probably my favourite of the bunch at the end of the day.
I think I appreciate this film more with age - the scene where Picard breaks down over his brother and nephew just hits harder and harder as time goes by. Sir Patrick truly gives a beautiful performance and what I think is an underrated movie, flaws and all.
Knowing that they intended to have Spock and McCoy in the prologue you can really hear it in their dialogue, at least Chekhov. "You and you. You just became nurses."
I love the music in Generations, it brings out the emotion in every scene, as the watery eyes came more times than I want to admit. To me, this is what makes ST Generations a good movie, even though some fans didn't like it.
I really love so many elements of this film, including Picard's journey. But everything that happens on the planet with Soren is just so stupid and unsatisfying.
How much of a hardware setup was he supposed to have? Soren was a one-man operation. He didn't have a team of engineers to construct a command base, lol.
I absolutely adore _Generations._ It looks beautiful, it feels big, it amplifies everything that TNG was at it's 7th season zenith. It's dramatic, funny, suspenseful, & the core concept of "The Ribbon" is endlessly fascinating. I remember the theater crowd cheered & applauded _Generations_ - the film was a singular celebration of a series that had earned it's moment after 7 hard seasons in syndication proving itself against the odds. TNG saved the entire Star Trek franchise universe.
AGREED! When Kirk and Picard left the Nexus, they should have both walked on the bridge of the Enterprise-D. After all, as captains, they both live for the bridge. Picard beams down to the planet and Kirk is left in command. Klingon ships destroyed...more ships loyal to the sisters are sent....Kirk teaches Klingons one last lesson.
And for what reason does Kirk (as a Television and Movie Character ) belong on the Enterprise D? For no reason and thats why it did not happen. Even if that version is better than a bridge.
I’ve been extremely unwell and in and out of hospital - so much great stuff to catch up on! I’m loving these retrospectives. Thanks for awesome content. 👍🏻😍🦔
You're only 26?? That explains a few things. I enjoy the reviews whether i agree or disagree, but there is a difference running through the series after knowing how it ends vs. going through it in real time. Yes, in the theatre, it was, in fact, the best "Oh S#!t!" moment ever to this day.
This is the most cinematic looking TNG movie IMO. All of the other TNG movies look like big budget TV episodes with their flat and bland lighting. This alone makes me like Generations more than First Contact. The director of photography done an amazing job turning TV sets into looking like movie sets.
This one will always have a nostalgic place in my heart. It came out at the peak of my fandom as a teenager and it's shift away from the original crew on the big screen marked the beginning of a new age of Trek.
It WAS a great film. My favorite part was the beginning of the film, when Kirk was introduced to Sulu's now-grown daughter, the last time she saw her was 12 years prior. Time was flying by, right? After their brief introduction, Chekov discreetly says to Kirk, "I was never that young" and Kirk replied "No, you were younger". Yes, contrived and borderline hammy, but it's not, they pull it off. It's a human character we ALL share.
Lol anyone else catch the subtle dig at the Mr. Plinkett Generations review? It did give me a chuckle, as did the breaking stock sound used in the RLM review. Both reviews are great in different ways. Love being able to get different perspectives like this.
You're right. There's "just something about" Generations. Objectively, I know it's not the best Star Trek movie, but it's my personal favorite. The score is also my favorite piece of Star Trek music ever as well. Love your videos, keep 'em coming!
I think they also couldn't remove the add ons without damaging the model too. Which is why after this movie, a different Excelsior model was used and the E-B model was used for the Lakota.
I totally agree with you on this one I absolutely love this film! I just wish they had been more overt with the Christmas theme - even setting the film during Christmas would have worked for me The Nexus clearly represents ‘Heaven’ and the stunning lighting on board the Enterprise gives the film an ‘angelic’ feel and vibe I watch this film every Christmas, and in my household it’s a Christmas film!!
The Nexus was my favorite element of the movie. Raised SO many questions that i remember wishing they would bring it back in a future Trek episode, and expanded on it a bit more.
I think the biggest flaw of Generations is the lost potential. There's a few things that are set up and then subsequently abandoned. The fire at Chateux Picard being in the same film as the Nexus and not confronting Picard with the option to use the Nexus to save them is baffling.
I now realize I've been confused for years. I always thought that the family Picard met in The Nexus were Robert's family, magically resurrected to assuage Picard's grief.
I remember seeing this opening night in NYC. The audience was crazy about it. The Enterprise crash brought the house down. Like a full on minute-long applause break. Missed a lot of the dialogue from the next scene. I still think of that when I watch this film.
This was first ST movie I was able to see in the cinema. To this day this movie has special place in my heart. It's not perfect, but I always love to watch it.
One of my guilty pleasures! Watching this over again when I’m older hits me in a different way, and I appreciate it a lot more. I really think it captures a lot of the spirit of the Next Generation show.. a proper Next Generation movie. I wasn’t disappointed with how Kirk dies, and Picard and Kirk’s interactions are really satisfying. Two very different captains in working together for the same heroic goal. Some of Stewart’s work is so beautiful… heartwarming. Personal. Generous and selfless. How could you not love Picard? The soundtrack is elevating. The Enterprise crash definitely still holds up. Of course, it helps that First Contact continues to develop the themes of Generations in wonderful ways… the relationship between Data and Picard for example. It’s a real treat to watch these two movies back to back.
My Head cannon is that Kirk is thinking "I'm not alone Bones and Spock will never let me live this down" and then he realises that not only he is dying but Bones is probably dead (hes wrong of course) and then dies
Another gem! It’s so nice to see these retrospectives that are exceptionally produced and balanced about the pros and cons of the material. It adds a lot more weight and credibility to the assessment. This channel reminds me of Good Bad Flicks and Like Stories of Old, top tier material as well.
Wow. I can’t believe how much cost cutting was involved, from reusing other casts uniforms to shooting at a TV pace! Great video, makes me want to watch it again. I’ve always liked this film too and with more care and a bigger budget would have been excellent.
DS9 was HORRIBLE. It's not even Star Trek. It's nothing more than the Love Boat set in space. Star Trek is about boldly going where "no one has gone before." How you going to go anywhere in a truck stop parked in front of a wormhole? Even the producers admitted they screwed up hence the introduction of The Defiant. Sisko is the WORST commander in Star Trek history. He yelled at TNG Picard. Let me say that again. A guy who runs a gas station in space yelled at Captain Picard. Every episode of DS9 turns into the "Quark and Odo Comedy Hour." And each storyline turns into an episode of Scooby Doo with Quark almost getting away with it "if it weren't for those meddling Changelings." Fun fact: DS9 was actually supposed to be Babylon 5 but Paramount slapped a Star Trek sticker in it, branded it, and fed that garbage to Star Trek fans. The show us TRASH. 1. TOS 2. TNG 3. Enterprise (especially seasons 3 and 4) 4. Voyager 5. TAS 6. Picard 7. Discovery DS9 doesn't even deserve to be mentioned on a Star Trek list.
@@billb0313 For me DS9 is the best Star Trek of the whole lot. I like the fact that the characters are more rounded and have a darker side to them. The lack of any conflicts or ulterior motives between the characters in the other Star Treks makes them feel "to good to be true" I also like the way the technology is less than perfect and things break down ocasionaly. The utopian perfect worlds of the other Star Treks, especially TNG, makes them very flat and sterile in comparison to DS9.
I'm so glad you liked this one, it's always been one of my favorites. I just "feels" like great Star Trek to me. The Enerprise has never looked better and the cast all do such an outstanding job. Love it. Thanks for these great videos, I watch them all multiple times!
I won't go into too much detail, but the plinkett-review tears this movie apart and not in the cinema sins superficial way, but because of some serious plot holes and bad writing.
@@purefoldnz3070 I always had a problem with that scene. Even without shields a Galaxy class starship would have torn that old bird of prey apart, unless it disabled Enterprises weapons with the first shot.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe A Galaxy class ship could have flown right through the bird of prey in theory. Easily solved by having the Enterprise attacked by multiple Klingon ships not just one rust bucket.
Instead of 1 bird of prey, imagine Lursa and B'Etor had a whole squadron of birds of prey behind them. It would have been more realistic (and awesome to watch) if the Enterprise was overwhelmed by sheer numbers of vessels before they could adjust their shields and retaliate. Like one huge lion being downed by a pack of hyenas. I still love this film though, plot holes and all.
This is the only one of the next generation movies I can go back and watch, it still has a feeling of star trek about it, the rest start to feel like action flicks more than intelectually stimulating stories from the future. Thank you for these retrospectives, still finding new viewers a year later.
That little spaceship Picard's kid is playing with in the nexus was from the Aliens toys range. I believe it was the equivalent of the drop ship from 'Aliens' but had an alien catching pod on the back and looked nothing like the movie drop ship. Just a random factoid for yall
I LOVED this movie as a kid (and still do) having watched TNG growing up in the 80's & 90's. So I was totally blown away by the boost in special effects, battle sequences, and overall atmosphere on display for the first time. And you're right on the money when you mentioned the awesome LIGHTING in a lot of scenes. I feel like they did everything right for TNG's first feature film. From the hilarious Data subplot, the exciting action sequences (full blown spectacles, really), to the movie's main MacGuffin with the energy ribbon/Nexus beaming people to (essentially) heaven no-questions-asked, and Soren's admittedly understandable desperation to return to it, etc...it was all there and I couldn't have been happier.
I think the way Kirk's death was handled here was actually spot on. Kirk once said that he knew he'd die alone. While Picard was there, he wasn't close by during the fall, and certainly none of Kirk's friends were there. In essence, he died alone. It was a perfect coda to his character.
Picard's weird Victorian fantasy family always felt really strange to me. As does the depiction of his Mother in Where No Man Has Gone Before. There's something a bit odd about 24th Century France.
I just wanna say thank you so much for these videos. As someone who never had a chance to see the old shows/movies, it's nice to have a summary that shows the impact they had. Thank you again
There is always one thing that I don't get with some of the criticisms of Generations, is the whole, "With the power of the Nexus, Picard could go anywhere, do anything, why doesn't he go save his Brother and nephew from the fire?" Well, my answer to that is, if he did that, he wouldn't be any better than Soran in the end, who was willing to sacrifice an entire civilisation to go play happy families with his dead (and probably assimilated) family on the big, wispy, ribben holodeck.
I need to rewatch this movie. I fell asleep the only time we watched it. My mother was the Trekkie, and I remember she really liked it but cried when Kirk died. She was an OS fan and loved Kirk. I like to think she would have really enjoyed the later shows available on streaming now. I'm just glad we bonded over Babylon 5 before she died.
@@DVankeuren I mean she would have enjoyed the ability watch Next Generation, Voyager, D9 on streaming services. Do you not watch any Trek if it's not on TV or on VHS or DVD? We dont all have that
One thing they should have done was have Kirk -- when in the Nexus -- being able to have the life he'd never been able to have . . . with Carol Marcus and their son, David. Just as Picard was 'rewarded' in the Nexus by being able to be with the family he had lost to tragedy, so too should Kirk have been able to get that dream-come-true. But Picard, then, having felt the siren-song of a 'perfect' afterlife amidst loved ones who aren't actually real, he could have been shown convincing Kirk that his 'perfect' afterlife wasn't real either -- no matter how real it may seem to be. Imagine how much more dramatic it would have been to see Kirk torn between staying with Carol -- and especially the son he'd barely had a chance to know, David -- having to say a final goodbye to them, so that he could go off and be the 'Boy Scout' doing his daily good deed. Instead, we have a back-story involving some woman named 'Antonia' whom he'd been with before returning to Starfleet once again. How much more powerful the scene would have been to have Carol and David Marcus there. Alas, a missed opportunity that would have made the film all-the-better, in my opinion.
I don't get people who say Kirk's death was anticlimactic etc. In universe, everybody outside of Picard & Soran believed to their knowledge Kirk sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise B. A noble end for a noble hero. Nobody knew he entered the Nexus. Not only does Kirk save the Enterprise, he then unselfishly decides to save Veridian III. Personally, I like to think Kirk's last moments were on the Enterprise B, ignorance is bliss
@@charlesransom4546 I agree Picard didn't even mention that Kirk helped him save the day & a matter of fact he didn't even mention Kirk at all at the end🤷🏾♂️
This was my first intro to the Star Trek universe as a child, and I always loved this film. As it allowed me to go and watch both sides of Star Trek, looking at Kirks and Piccard's storey at seeing the parallels of both Captains story. Best way to be introduced to Star Trek
I was 12 when this movie came out in theaters. I specifically remember seeing the movie trailer for the first time, thinking Kirk And Picard would fight klingons in their own respective ships. At least that's what the trailer made it look like. After seeing it in theaters, I was a little disapointed that I didn't get to see an epic space battle with Kirk, Picard, and Klingons. But I still loved the movie overall. It felt like "Star Trek TNG Deluxe", so to speak. I even watched the "All Good Things" episode, the day before I went to see the film. One thing I do remember was being blown away when I first saw the Enterprise D crash landing. It's especially a shocker when you're used to watching TNG for years, then suddenly the flagship you grew up with comes crashiong down.
There are a few scenes i genuinely tear up at. But the one that gets me every time is when Data findsout his beloved cat Spot survived the crash landing. As someone who has a cat myself and loves cats to bits that scene hits close to home.
This series just got me through a 10 hour drive out of Las Vegas. You do an amazing job with reviewing Star Trek. Keep up this great work and keep the content coming.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver I don't hate Picard, there's some good stuff in there, it's just a shame Stewart got the control over the story he did - That man is living the longest mid life crisis of any man on the planet. Does he even understand WHO Picard is?
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Ha! I don't want to hate on it too much, it ticked a few boxes for me, and I'll take it over nothing, but it is infuriating because the way I see it, all the rights things things are there for some stellar, but it gets ruined by some stupid choices that feel like a big F-you to Trek and so nessacary so...Not that I'm a purist, I can defend Voyager lol, I can totally go with the flow, but Star Trek is Star Trek...They are in Rome and they are not doing as the Romans do!
@@JustB3NJI ST is supposed to be modern-day problems placed in a more enlightened world. What those creeps did was to say, "our world is more enlightened and ST is the problem"
Finally a review for Generations that hits the nail on the head. At least for my taste. ;) I also could never really understand why the movie had such a bad reputation. In the 90s when I first saw it, I was really impressed by it and everyone who saw it with me also loved it. Years later when I started using the internet to join scifi fan forums, I was surprised that this movie was often described as one of the worst in the ST franchise. Seems like many people grew up with that impression and never really questioned it. I'm happy I was able to make up my own mind without being influenced by other opinions. Nowadays even before a movie comes out there are already so many opinions floating around that it has become really hard to experience it without being influenced in any way. Greetings from Germany :=)
Having decades of hindsight, I am a far bigger fan of the Enterprise D, compared to her successor. The crash landing was jaw-dropping, and beats the hell out of the utterly fake and unbelievable crash in Star Trek Beyond. I would have loved for Picard to have been able to go back and save his ship.
Destroying the Kelvin Enterprise in this film series seems so contrived anyway. A lot of wasted potential for this cast and crew after what I thought was a nice mix of Trek eras in Star Trek 2009.
Recently I Went To A Convention And Found The Comic Book Adaptation Of Star Trek: Generations And I Had Watched Star Trek: Generations Last Night. Perfect Opportunity Leading Up To This.
Generations was not only the first Star Trek film I ever saw, but was my introduction to the franchise and what made me a fan, so for this and pretty much the same reasons as you gave in the review here, Star Trek Generations is still a personal favourite of mine despite its flaws.
A minor note. People may be more familiar with the sailing ship used in the first scene as the HMS Interceptor from the first Pirate's of the Caribbean movie. So yeah... Jack Sparrow stole the Enterprise. He might be the best Pirate EVER!.
Huge plot-hole leads to absolutely meaningless deaths for the franchise's most famous character and a beloved ship, Generations was a gigantic missed opportunity, Kirk and the ENT-D's send-off could have been so much more legendary!
Dude..... that idea of Kirk taking command of the Enterprise and going down with the ship. That sounds so epic and gave me goose bumps just hearing about it.
Generations is actually my personal favourite of the Star Trek films. I know it has flaws and that part of my love for it is nostalgia (I was obsessed with this film as a kid, mainly because of how cool the crash scene was), but I think it is a really good character story for Picard. I also absolutely love the score for this movie. The opening credits theme and the score that plays while Picard is in the Nexus are beautiful in my opinion.
As a kid in the 90s and huge Star Trek nerd, I was beyond excited to have Kirk and Picard together in the same movie. Now, I apricate this movie for its more complex themes.
Those TNG costumes (S3 >) I recall having a high price tag but still the mixing of costumes really looks odd and theirs no good way of explaining it I know some fans have said 'oh they're transitioning to the new DS9 look', but in seriousness, they replicate uniforms which means Picard simply says "everyone throws on new uniforms next Monday" and it happens. I've always thought the black onesies should have been limited to DS9 as Starfleet was asked to run the station rather than it being a Starfleet base therefore they opted for a different look, that also fits that pre-Voyager no one else that arrived on the station wore the black uniform & the crew routinely changed out of it when off station such as Sisko's visit to Earth
@@aquamonkee The atrocious "mixing" of costumes is NOTHING compared to the killing off of Lursa & Betor; the demise of both here precluded their participation in the machinations of the Klingon Empire in DS9!
Visually this is a beautiful film with some very strong performances, and I've always thought deserved more credit. The destruction of the Enterprise D still is a wrench for me to watch.
I'm surprised that you didn't pick up on the connected theme between Data and Picard. It's not deep, but the similarity is about Picard and Data both struggling with their duties and responsibilities. And it sets up the moment where Picard is able to process his grief, before proceeding to Viridian 3 and entering the Nexus. It's also a fulfilled promise of Data installing his emotion chip--which is alluded to in All Good Things.
Star Trek Generations is still one of the best looking films of the entire series and was very impressive in the theater. Even the shot before Data's classic "Oh shit" was amazing on a big screen, so much so I remember myself and everyone sitting around me saying it along with Data. Oh, and right after the crash ends and there is a moment of silence someone said, "Well, that was worth my six bucks right there." He got a big laugh. Everyone really seemed to enjoy the film, (flaws and all) and it's a fond Star Trek memory for me.
Saw it in theatres with my dad who was a big Kirk fan and also a fan of TNG. I was a 5-7 year old at this time and was knee deep in Star Trek toys and even would make Star Trek episodes with my friends who had a VHS camcorder. I remember the movie and seeing it in theatres. It was epic.
Personally Insurrection is my #2 TNG film, but Generations has its merits. I do like the speech Kirk gives Picard about how he should turn down a promotion to admiral if one is offered.
Really? What makes Insurrection #2 for you? I've seen it and I honestly feel that the premise of the story, Picard defying StarFleet in order to assist the native citizens of a planet, had been done better on the shows. Episodes like Homeward.
@@felman87 maybe I’m a sucker for Gilbert and Sullivan’s music. More seriously, I like the feel of Insurrection much in the way this video’s author likes Generations. Insurrection has flaws, but there are a lot of small things I like about it, such as the crew interactions. I think there’s a really interesting discussion to be had on which TNG movie is the second best of the four. In a poll, I think Generations would win, but Insurrection and Nemesis have fans as well.
@@pokepress I'm a fan too. I found First Contact irritating and thought this a return to form. Definitely a film made for fans of the show. A British Tar is a soaring soul...
I got to see this movie a week early in a special preview. I live in Green Bay WI. Anyone who has ever been here knows how crazy people can get over seeing Packers players in public. My parents and I got to the movie early and we were seated. Three Packers players came in, and people cheered and clapped. Shortly after, three Klingons came in and the theatre went nuts. The Klingons went up and down the aisles sneering at people and challenging them to duels. It was amazing. It was also my 14th birthday, so way to be young. Awesome videos though, so thanks for the series.
This is honestly the only review series that reliably recaptures what it felt like to enjoy these shows and movies the first time.
Agreed, can't believe he's never got to see the hype of this film
Yes
@@smistgoman So did I! Fell in love w/ "Generations" on home video. It's soooo underrated.
But even w/ other favorable reviews, none quite recapture the *feel* of discovery during a good story that manages -- mostly through the incredible talents involved -- to transcend its flaws.
I watched it in the cinema as a 10-year-old, and I loved it! Me and my friends were quoting Data's "Oh shit!" for a long time afterwards, and laughing every time
@@R0ssMM Best moment of the movie! And definitely worth waiting more than 7 seasons of broadcasting-censored TV for.
The Data subplot fits the whole theme. Data finally gets something he's dreamed of for years and finds out that humanity isn't a list of boxes to mark off, but is instead the constant effort to push forward.
Not to mention Data completes his evolution into a fully realized synthetic human -- a new form of life -- in contrast to Picard's loss along with his, Kirk, and Soran's confrontation of their own mortality.
The death-and-creation cycle may not have even been on purpose (the result of a studio note, even), but it's still there, in the text of the film: a whole theme expressed in contrasting story archs of the show's two strongest characters.
I think you’re stretching but I get your point. Regardless, the data stuff was god awful. It would’ve been ok had he struggled to deal with it without acting embarrassingly buffoonish and silly. It’s brutal to watch.
I doubt suddenly having emotion would make someone dance around, sing and suddenly curse.
@@tolkienjr9609 Data effectively entered his adolescence with that chip. Perhaps you've forgotten what those years are like?
@@tolkienjr9609 I agree with you, but it goes along with Spiner's ego who was always so desperate to show his "range" in a way that Data couldn't allow him to. It was over the top and silly and it needed more than a movie to deal with it. I wish they had let Data put in the emotion chip in season 7 and give the character the time he needed to deal with these new emotions. It would have given the audience something new to enjoy.
The "Robbin Williams chip" wasn't good character development.
He's a sentient being, so can evolve intellectually and consciously on his own.
“The year before I was born.”
I’m old.
I thought the same thing.
The number of us making this comment is staggering.
Me too.
Watched it when I was in highschool 🙃
Movie came out when I was 16 (turning 43 in July)... I'm old as well 😧
"The clown can stay, but the Ferengi in the gorilla suit's gotta go."
That joke is so stardate 41100s.
What's a "gorilla"?
I know what Mugato is, though.
A joke so funny it even make my Mr. Tricorder speak with Picard's voice all of a sudden.
"I said 'kiddleys,' diddle I?"
Humor. I love it!
The Amount of Things scrapped for "budget reasons" is insane. I get the Space Battles, but Uniforms? Come on, it was a big franchise at the time, spend some damn money to make a good movie.
Yeah and aparently those uniforms cost a fortune...
Could it cost more then good suit? I doubt it can be more then 1000$
I heard the main reason they were scrapped wasn't the money but that they simply didn't look good in Real Life and didn't move right. And nobody knew how much moore money it would cost to fix them.
Scrapping Picard's family was a cheap move, too
The cheapest part of the whole movie was not bothering to change the characters' dialogue in the script after they replaced Spock and McCoy with Scotty and Chekov.
"You can go back to any time."
"Okay. Send me back 10 minutes."
"Don't you want to go back a week and save your family?"
"Nah. I'm over them."
Literally was the first thought I had, was,
"...Alright, I've got a couple stops to make, oh, magic Guinan can I do that...? If not, Earth, my family's place, the day before they died in a fire. Could use a family meal and then be a bloody hero. Also, I'm gonna bring Kirk, think he'd like France, and then, not that you need to know this, but, I'll just contact the Enterprise when I arrive, call a *Q type moment* - be back soon, arrest Soran, you'll be picking him up at the space station, in a couple days, also he's a bad guy, he's going to blow that star up, either stop him, or get out before that destroys you...okay, head back to Earth when you finish up. Likely going to need a ride. Picard out."
Like a painful plot hole, saddened me even as a kid.
You summed that up brilliantly. The sheer number of facepalm moments, along with plot holes you could fly a borg cube through, completely deflate any tension and take me out of the story.
If not for ILM I would have never watched it more than once.
I can forgive all the other stuff, but the time travel thing is the dumbest thing that can't be forgiven. All they had to do was add some artificial limit - you can only go back to the time where you entered the Nexus. Picard knows he can't stop Soren himself because he failed already, so he brings Kirk along.
And the whole time the Enterprise could have just destroyed Soran's rocket with a single torpedo or phaser blast.
This was such a disappointing big screen premiere of a successful show.
Yet another reason it's crap writing.
18:37 "The only Star Trek Movie to feel like a Christmas movie". That's it. That is exactly how I felt about Generations. It really is a very good Christmas movie, set in Star Trek, without even hammering on the Christmas part of it even.
I think the emotional depth would have been supercharged if Picard had instead been returned to his life as Kamin on Kataan.
On the real Star Trek, there's no Christmas because they have surpassed superstitions. And your present is a lousy death for Kirk.
the nexus scenes did kind of have a "it's a wonderful life" feel to them. plus the movie came out a month before the christmas season. Generations also came out a few days before my brother's 16th birthday. Actually most of these star trek movie's in the 90's came out around his birthday or mine (mine is Dec.13th. to be exact.)lol! which always ened up being a birthday gift to him or me from our mom and dad! LoL!
Honestly, for me, the chemistry between Shatner and Stewart makes this whole film fly. Yeah, they don't spend much time together, but every second felt full, and they reacted to each other in ways that felt correct. I have a friend who consistently wishes there was more conflict, but...why? There's utterly no reason for these two men to have a prolonged conflict, and Kirk is a hero...The moment when he realizes he's living a lie inside the Nexus, his desire to "make a difference," and act for the good of others, would automatically come into play.
And I'm with you on the cinematography....these are (relatively) cheap TV sets, and they look far, far more gorgeous that anyone could have expected.
What chemistry? They don't even seem to be listening to each other in the movie. Kirk talks about his regrets in life, his advice on life and being a Captain and what he wants from it all and all Picard keeps repeating is "come back with me" as if Picard isn't even bothering to listen to him. It's so disjointed.
How would that make you feel as an actor showing up for your costume fitting... “Yeah, so Paramount would’t spring for a new uniform for you. Here’s a borrowed one that sort of fits. Good luck, have a great shoot!”
I think it demonstrates the rushed nature of this film's production. I don't think there was time to make costumes for everyone. So Frakes, who's like 6 foot 3, has to wear a costume made for Brooks, who's like 5'9".
My feeling is, if they had time to make a new costume for the Captain, there should have been time for the Second-In-Command.
Definite lack of respect there.
21st century Geordie La Forge would call it "racism" lol
This movie was my gateway into Star Trek. It was an in-flight movie that I saw at a fairly young age, and I’d never seen anything like it. From that point on, I was hooked to the franchise!
My gateway Trek as well. I know it's deeply flawed, but I can't help but love it. Still my favorite Trek film.
Kirk's death was done very well. I'll always remember, "Oh my" as his last words. My old man (FATHER) had a tear in his eyes when he watched this. It was the last movie we watched before he passed away.
Ikr? Kirk's "oh my" stuck with me for years lol. I was always curious what he saw that made him say that.
If you visit the Valley of Fire State Park in Nevada just north of Las Vegas you can see where Kirk Died and they have the part of the metal walk-way he was on! ....
And in effect he got to die heroically twice. Once saving the Enterprise B (although he didn't technically die, he was considered dead as far as Starfleet was concerned, dying a hero), and he then got to actually die helping his future opposite number.
Some argued he should have died in battle, but that would have been too obvious. And besides, we very rarely get to choose how we die. As it was, he still had two good deaths.
it was absolutely disgusting an insulting travesty. you're completely wrong everyone despises it.
The idea of Kirk going down as captain of the Enterprise-D is so awesome and I literally have goosebumps just thinking about what that would’ve looked like.
Yeah would have like to see that
I think this is how it should have happened as well. Maybe even have Kirk somehow crash the saucer section into Soran's device area on the planet before it launches into the star.
I hadn't heard of that idea before but it's definitely an epic conclusion to his story.
@@tparadox88 yeah and even the was even supposed to be funrel fir Kirk
Mind you, Kirk was on the bridge when he went down.
I’m part of the generation that grew up with one show, and I was 9 when the first movie came out. I didn’t have a problem with how Kirk died, because he died a hero, saving millions of lives. I had a problem with what happened afterwards. I wanted to see Starfleet’s greatest captain lying in state at Starfleet HQ. What I got was Data finding his cat and Kirk left under a pile of rocks like some gunslinger in an old western.
They did the Enterprise-D dirty. Only thing that really bugs me about the movie.
"What's that? A rust bucket Klingon bird of prey is firing at us? Continuous fire all phasers and a volley of torpedoes should take care of that" **Worf presses 3 buttons**
Really. For all the problems this movie had, if a Vor'Cha had taken her down it would have been a fair send off.
Yeah, shields or no shields, the Enterprise would have obliterated them.
@@youtubehandlescostmemyusername I think Enterprise D would have taken out a single Vor'cha, there would have to be at least 2 of them or better yet 3 D'deridex warbirds that Enterprise takes with her.
@@chiroquacker2580 Not without shields and reeling from an alpha-strike sucker punch. The Vor'cha is no slouch. In a straight fight, the Enterprise would be limping home victorious and battered 1on1.
There really should have been an after-action review that came to the conclusion that bloated luxury liners probably shouldn't be the flagships of Starfleet.
Rewatching Generations as an Adult, after re-watching the entire TNG series through in-order. This movie instantly became one of my favorites. The emotional impact it had on me as an adult because of Picard's arc...and we lost a Character: The Enterprise-D. Something forgotten in JJ-Trek is that the SHIPS were characters themselves. Those long shots of the ships weren't just filler, they were there to make us know the ships...and they came to FEEL like home. Like characters themselves.
Watching the show all the way through you could FEEL the loss in that final scene: "I doubt this will be the last ship to carry the name Enterprise" hit me. I literally felt the emotion.
This is a perfect movie, and honestly is one of the best TNG movies. It's TNG at it's best.
Well stated. I agree completely.
not ST
The destruction of the Enterprise to a 70 year old Bird of Prey was borderline insulting and the recycling footage from Star Trek 6 added salt to the wound.
There was no excuse for Ruler simply not saying "remodulate the shields and return fire." Problem solved. 🤷🏾♂️
@@Rhamsody Its the equivalent of a diesel submarine destroying a modern day nuclear powered aircraft carrier.
Hence plot death
@@purefoldnz3070 Modern diesel electric submarines using modern battery technology are very quiet and deadly. They can sink enemy ships just as well as a much more expensive nuclear submarine. A lot of countries that have advanced technology still build them. The USA no longer uses diesel submarines for operational reasons since we deploy our subs worldwide and need the range and endurance afforded by nuclear power. Diesel electric submarines are used more for costal defense.
Enterprise D with Kirk in command should have gone down in a blaze of glory taking 3 D'deridex warbirds with them. None of this defective bird of prey and dropping the bridge on Kirk nonsense.
Imagine the progression if each 7-year series cast went on to do movies. Kirk allies himself with Picard in VII to give his stamp of approval. Picard unexpectedly has to duke it out with Sisko in XIII. Sisko's the one to welcome Janeway home in XIX.
Picard and Sisko shared a scene in the DS9 premiere episode 'The Emissary'. He blamed Picard for his wife's death at Wolf 459.
@@solomongibsoniii4865 I think you meant 359 ;-)
@@chiroquacker2580 Oops!
doesn't work as their times intersect. There was a significant time period between Kirk and Picard.
@@solomongibsoniii4865 everyone knows wolf 359 was an inside job.
I haven’t read all the comments, so this may be in here. All of Chekhov’’s lines are Dr. McCoys’s. They never rewrote the dialogue when DeForest Kelly said he wasn’t interested. It’s why you have Chekhov meeting the refugees and administering medicine:
Interesting.
The result of the tight shooting schedule I guess.
I really like this film, too. Especially Picard basically summing up its morals by saying “Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." His delivery never fails to tug at my heartstrings, and it's so very Star Trek, so very TNG, and so very Picard.
"... since it came out before I was born."
Oh my God, when did I get old?
10 years ago,,lol
I'm right there with you
"... I'm the old guy?"
"Yeah."
"H-how did that happen?"
Here's scary. I was at the premiere in Phoenix Arizona for Generations with James Doohan as MC.
People try to put us down!
I was so pleased to hear that you enjoy this film. It kinda feels like the OG equivalent of Star Trek Beyond to me: a bigger, better, more bombastic episode that just happens to be feature-length. The emotional beats, thematic storytelling and intended sentiment, alongside it's sense of fun and adventure is just so pleasing to watch.
Plus, Kirk's death is to me honestly kinda perfect. I've said before that I find the 'small' nature of his death so much more impactful than any bombastic over-the-top conclusion; he died doing what he always did, saving the day on a planet made up of vague desert landscapes and rocks. And as you say, Shatner really pulled out his best performance for those last few minutes. It makes me tear up every single time.
From an objective standpoint I would still argue that this is at the very least among the top 5, but personally it's probably my favourite of the bunch at the end of the day.
I think I appreciate this film more with age - the scene where Picard breaks down over his brother and nephew just hits harder and harder as time goes by. Sir Patrick truly gives a beautiful performance and what I think is an underrated movie, flaws and all.
Knowing that they intended to have Spock and McCoy in the prologue you can really hear it in their dialogue, at least Chekhov. "You and you. You just became nurses."
I love the music in Generations, it brings out the emotion in every scene, as the watery eyes came more times than I want to admit. To me, this is what makes ST Generations a good movie, even though some fans didn't like it.
The only thing I don’t like about it, is the synth “singing”. Like, hire a singer. 😂
"...this movie came out a year before I was born."
Stop making a bunch of us feel old.
☹😤 I second that!
I was 16, stop acting like you're old
Seriously. My first date with my future wife was The Wrath of Khan (after a Mexican restaurant).
I lost it at that part. I was only 13, but still.
I'm a year older than Generations
I really love so many elements of this film, including Picard's journey. But everything that happens on the planet with Soren is just so stupid and unsatisfying.
How much of a hardware setup was he supposed to have? Soren was a one-man operation. He didn't have a team of engineers to construct a command base, lol.
I absolutely adore _Generations._ It looks beautiful, it feels big, it amplifies everything that TNG was at it's 7th season zenith. It's dramatic, funny, suspenseful, & the core concept of "The Ribbon" is endlessly fascinating.
I remember the theater crowd cheered & applauded _Generations_ - the film was a singular celebration of a series that had earned it's moment after 7 hard seasons in syndication proving itself against the odds. TNG saved the entire Star Trek franchise universe.
It's so good to watch a review that praises Generations.
Kirk going down with the Enterprise-D would have been a much more fitting ending for both man and ship.
AGREED! When Kirk and Picard left the Nexus, they should have both walked on the bridge of the Enterprise-D. After all, as captains, they both live for the bridge. Picard beams down to the planet and Kirk is left in command. Klingon ships destroyed...more ships loyal to the sisters are sent....Kirk teaches Klingons one last lesson.
Totally agree. Giant missed opportunity.
And for what reason does Kirk (as a Television and Movie Character ) belong on the Enterprise D?
For no reason and thats why it did not happen. Even if that version is better than a bridge.
@@TheNerdwhat?
oooooooh you make me feel old... "this movie came out before I was born." I was at least alive for all of TNG.
I’ve been extremely unwell and in and out of hospital - so much great stuff to catch up on! I’m loving these retrospectives. Thanks for awesome content. 👍🏻😍🦔
You're only 26?? That explains a few things. I enjoy the reviews whether i agree or disagree, but there is a difference running through the series after knowing how it ends vs. going through it in real time. Yes, in the theatre, it was, in fact, the best "Oh S#!t!" moment ever to this day.
This is the most cinematic looking TNG movie IMO. All of the other TNG movies look like big budget TV episodes with their flat and bland lighting. This alone makes me like Generations more than First Contact. The director of photography done an amazing job turning TV sets into looking like movie sets.
My favorite of the TNG movies. Anything after Generations is not Trek for me.
This one will always have a nostalgic place in my heart. It came out at the peak of my fandom as a teenager and it's shift away from the original crew on the big screen marked the beginning of a new age of Trek.
It WAS a great film. My favorite part was the beginning of the film, when Kirk was introduced to Sulu's now-grown daughter, the last time she saw her was 12 years prior. Time was flying by, right? After their brief introduction, Chekov discreetly says to Kirk, "I was never that young" and Kirk replied "No, you were younger". Yes, contrived and borderline hammy, but it's not, they pull it off. It's a human character we ALL share.
Lol anyone else catch the subtle dig at the Mr. Plinkett Generations review? It did give me a chuckle, as did the breaking stock sound used in the RLM review. Both reviews are great in different ways. Love being able to get different perspectives like this.
You're right. There's "just something about" Generations. Objectively, I know it's not the best Star Trek movie, but it's my personal favorite. The score is also my favorite piece of Star Trek music ever as well. Love your videos, keep 'em coming!
They also modified the Excelsior model so they could explode a portion of it, without damaging the original model.
They still damaged it though! 😅😭
I think they also couldn't remove the add ons without damaging the model too. Which is why after this movie, a different Excelsior model was used and the E-B model was used for the Lakota.
Yet they glued it with glue that didn't allow removal of the blow up part without destroying the model.
I totally agree with you on this one
I absolutely love this film!
I just wish they had been more overt with the Christmas theme - even setting the film during Christmas would have worked for me
The Nexus clearly represents ‘Heaven’ and the stunning lighting on board the Enterprise gives the film an ‘angelic’ feel and vibe
I watch this film every Christmas, and in my household it’s a Christmas film!!
The Nexus was my favorite element of the movie. Raised SO many questions that i remember wishing they would bring it back in a future Trek episode, and expanded on it a bit more.
I think the biggest flaw of Generations is the lost potential. There's a few things that are set up and then subsequently abandoned.
The fire at Chateux Picard being in the same film as the Nexus and not confronting Picard with the option to use the Nexus to save them is baffling.
I now realize I've been confused for years.
I always thought that the family Picard met in The Nexus were Robert's family, magically resurrected to assuage Picard's grief.
I remember seeing this opening night in NYC. The audience was crazy about it. The Enterprise crash brought the house down. Like a full on minute-long applause break. Missed a lot of the dialogue from the next scene. I still think of that when I watch this film.
The movie came out before you were born? Thanks a lot Junior now I really feel old, thank you
This was first ST movie I was able to see in the cinema. To this day this movie has special place in my heart. It's not perfect, but I always love to watch it.
One of my guilty pleasures! Watching this over again when I’m older hits me in a different way, and I appreciate it a lot more. I really think it captures a lot of the spirit of the Next Generation show.. a proper Next Generation movie. I wasn’t disappointed with how Kirk dies, and Picard and Kirk’s interactions are really satisfying. Two very different captains in working together for the same heroic goal. Some of Stewart’s work is so beautiful… heartwarming. Personal. Generous and selfless. How could you not love Picard? The soundtrack is elevating. The Enterprise crash definitely still holds up. Of course, it helps that First Contact continues to develop the themes of Generations in wonderful ways… the relationship between Data and Picard for example. It’s a real treat to watch these two movies back to back.
11:20 Enterprise smashing through the mirror, must be some bad luck for that.
Yeah, karma took it out on the script
The 'oh my' heard 'round the world
My Head cannon is that Kirk is thinking "I'm not alone Bones and Spock will never let me live this down" and then he realises that not only he is dying but Bones is probably dead (hes wrong of course) and then dies
Another gem! It’s so nice to see these retrospectives that are exceptionally produced and balanced about the pros and cons of the material. It adds a lot more weight and credibility to the assessment. This channel reminds me of Good Bad Flicks and Like Stories of Old, top tier material as well.
Wow. I can’t believe how much cost cutting was involved, from reusing other casts uniforms to shooting at a TV pace! Great video, makes me want to watch it again. I’ve always liked this film too and with more care and a bigger budget would have been excellent.
Star Trek II had a very small budget, and we all know how that turned out.
Loving these retrospectives, I’ve learned so much I didn’t know before. Can’t wait for the next ones (DS9 especially)
DS9 was HORRIBLE. It's not even Star Trek. It's nothing more than the Love Boat set in space.
Star Trek is about boldly going where "no one has gone before."
How you going to go anywhere in a truck stop parked in front of a wormhole?
Even the producers admitted they screwed up hence the introduction of The Defiant.
Sisko is the WORST commander in Star Trek history. He yelled at TNG Picard. Let me say that again. A guy who runs a gas station in space yelled at Captain Picard.
Every episode of DS9 turns into the "Quark and Odo Comedy Hour." And each storyline turns into an episode of Scooby Doo with Quark almost getting away with it "if it weren't for those meddling Changelings."
Fun fact: DS9 was actually supposed to be Babylon 5 but Paramount slapped a Star Trek sticker in it, branded it, and fed that garbage to Star Trek fans.
The show us TRASH.
1. TOS
2. TNG
3. Enterprise (especially seasons 3 and 4)
4. Voyager
5. TAS
6. Picard
7. Discovery
DS9 doesn't even deserve to be mentioned on a Star Trek list.
@@billb0313 Your opinion is your own 😞
I assume you’re joking. No ones taste can be that bad. Nor would anyone seriously repeat every lame insult about the show verbatim.
@@bonghunezhou5051 And it's a good one. 👍
@@billb0313 For me DS9 is the best Star Trek of the whole lot. I like the fact that the characters are more rounded and have a darker side to them. The lack of any conflicts or ulterior motives between the characters in the other Star Treks makes them feel "to good to be true" I also like the way the technology is less than perfect and things break down ocasionaly. The utopian perfect worlds of the other Star Treks, especially TNG, makes them very flat and sterile in comparison to DS9.
Star Trek: Generations was the first-ever film to have a website built to promote it.
A bit of a bumpy start then? I remember watching the film for the first time and being utterly disappointed with its bland plotline.
This is disputed. There is a good chance it may have actually been Stargate.
Ah, yet another Star Trek being first at something being false.
Stargate was first.
I still remember how much the audience laughed in the theatre during Data's emotion chip moments! People really thought it was hilarious! :)
I saw it in the cinema as a 14 year old. I can still tear up if I watch it today. Brilliant brilliant film.
I'm so glad you liked this one, it's always been one of my favorites. I just "feels" like great Star Trek to me. The Enerprise has never looked better and the cast all do such an outstanding job. Love it. Thanks for these great videos, I watch them all multiple times!
This was the first Trek film I had the fortune of watching upon release in cinemas. Still one of my favourites.
Absolutely bang on.
This is an underrated, magical, beautiful film.
except for how the enterprise was taken out by 60 year old bird of prey lol
I won't go into too much detail, but the plinkett-review tears this movie apart and not in the cinema sins superficial way, but because of some serious plot holes and bad writing.
@@purefoldnz3070 I always had a problem with that scene. Even without shields a Galaxy class starship would have torn that old bird of prey apart, unless it disabled Enterprises weapons with the first shot.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe A Galaxy class ship could have flown right through the bird of prey in theory. Easily solved by having the Enterprise attacked by multiple Klingon ships not just one rust bucket.
Instead of 1 bird of prey, imagine Lursa and B'Etor had a whole squadron of birds of prey behind them. It would have been more realistic (and awesome to watch) if the Enterprise was overwhelmed by sheer numbers of vessels before they could adjust their shields and retaliate. Like one huge lion being downed by a pack of hyenas. I still love this film though, plot holes and all.
This is the only one of the next generation movies I can go back and watch, it still has a feeling of star trek about it, the rest start to feel like action flicks more than intelectually stimulating stories from the future. Thank you for these retrospectives, still finding new viewers a year later.
That little spaceship Picard's kid is playing with in the nexus was from the Aliens toys range. I believe it was the equivalent of the drop ship from 'Aliens' but had an alien catching pod on the back and looked nothing like the movie drop ship. Just a random factoid for yall
That entire line of toys was, in hindsight with adult-vision, a massive embarrassment lol. I still loved em.
I LOVED this movie as a kid (and still do) having watched TNG growing up in the 80's & 90's. So I was totally blown away by the boost in special effects, battle sequences, and overall atmosphere on display for the first time.
And you're right on the money when you mentioned the awesome LIGHTING in a lot of scenes. I feel like they did everything right for TNG's first feature film.
From the hilarious Data subplot, the exciting action sequences (full blown spectacles, really), to the movie's main MacGuffin with the energy ribbon/Nexus beaming people to (essentially) heaven no-questions-asked, and Soren's admittedly understandable desperation to return to it, etc...it was all there and I couldn't have been happier.
Even though first contact is my favorite, I have to admit that Generations has the most tng-feel
My friend said, "it's kinda like watching TV in a theatre, hey?"
I think the way Kirk's death was handled here was actually spot on. Kirk once said that he knew he'd die alone. While Picard was there, he wasn't close by during the fall, and certainly none of Kirk's friends were there. In essence, he died alone. It was a perfect coda to his character.
it was appalling
Picard's weird Victorian fantasy family always felt really strange to me. As does the depiction of his Mother in Where No Man Has Gone Before. There's something a bit odd about 24th Century France.
Yeah, it isn't French at all. Not enough shoulder shrugging and smoking to be French.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Well, it is the future. Cultures are going to get watered down as the world gets smaller (easier to travel)
It's definitely bizarre how English it is
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 and in star trek picarc the Picard venyarc has tht werd gothic look during. The flshanwdks kind like sleepy hollow
It was the first Star Trek film I saw at the cinema, so it will always have a special place in my heart.
Sorry to nitpick, but "Star Trek IV The Voyage Home" was scored by Leonard Rosenman, not Rosenthal.
I just wanna say thank you so much for these videos. As someone who never had a chance to see the old shows/movies, it's nice to have a summary that shows the impact they had. Thank you again
I've always enjoyed this movie and as I get older Picard's speech in the final scene really hits home.
"Speak for yourself, Sir. I plan to live forever ..."
There is always one thing that I don't get with some of the criticisms of Generations, is the whole, "With the power of the Nexus, Picard could go anywhere, do anything, why doesn't he go save his Brother and nephew from the fire?"
Well, my answer to that is, if he did that, he wouldn't be any better than Soran in the end, who was willing to sacrifice an entire civilisation to go play happy families with his dead (and probably assimilated) family on the big, wispy, ribben holodeck.
I need to rewatch this movie. I fell asleep the only time we watched it. My mother was the Trekkie, and I remember she really liked it but cried when Kirk died. She was an OS fan and loved Kirk. I like to think she would have really enjoyed the later shows available on streaming now. I'm just glad we bonded over Babylon 5 before she died.
Not if she was a true trek fan. Those streaming shows are trash, and your mother would have known that.
@@DVankeuren I mean she would have enjoyed the ability watch Next Generation, Voyager, D9 on streaming services.
Do you not watch any Trek if it's not on TV or on VHS or DVD? We dont all have that
One thing they should have done was have Kirk -- when in the Nexus -- being able to have the life he'd never been able to have . . . with Carol Marcus and their son, David. Just as Picard was 'rewarded' in the Nexus by being able to be with the family he had lost to tragedy, so too should Kirk have been able to get that dream-come-true. But Picard, then, having felt the siren-song of a 'perfect' afterlife amidst loved ones who aren't actually real, he could have been shown convincing Kirk that his 'perfect' afterlife wasn't real either -- no matter how real it may seem to be.
Imagine how much more dramatic it would have been to see Kirk torn between staying with Carol -- and especially the son he'd barely had a chance to know, David -- having to say a final goodbye to them, so that he could go off and be the 'Boy Scout' doing his daily good deed.
Instead, we have a back-story involving some woman named 'Antonia' whom he'd been with before returning to Starfleet once again. How much more powerful the scene would have been to have Carol and David Marcus there. Alas, a missed opportunity that would have made the film all-the-better, in my opinion.
I don't get people who say Kirk's death was anticlimactic etc.
In universe, everybody outside of Picard & Soran believed to their knowledge Kirk sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise B. A noble end for a noble hero.
Nobody knew he entered the Nexus.
Not only does Kirk save the Enterprise, he then unselfishly decides to save Veridian III.
Personally, I like to think Kirk's last moments were on the Enterprise B, ignorance is bliss
At least Kirk didn't get turned into a robot :P
Ummm… They believed he died accidentally whilst saving the Enterprise B (not D).
@@NostalgiaBrit my bad, B yes
That’s fine, but why keep his sacrifice on Veridian III a secret? It wasn’t any less noble and it was selfless.
@@charlesransom4546 I agree Picard didn't even mention that Kirk helped him save the day & a matter of fact he didn't even mention Kirk at all at the end🤷🏾♂️
This was my first intro to the Star Trek universe as a child, and I always loved this film. As it allowed me to go and watch both sides of Star Trek, looking at Kirks and Piccard's storey at seeing the parallels of both Captains story. Best way to be introduced to Star Trek
I was 12 when this movie came out in theaters. I specifically remember seeing the movie trailer for the first time, thinking Kirk And Picard would fight klingons in their own respective ships. At least that's what the trailer made it look like. After seeing it in theaters, I was a little disapointed that I didn't get to see an epic space battle with Kirk, Picard, and Klingons. But I still loved the movie overall. It felt like "Star Trek TNG Deluxe", so to speak. I even watched the "All Good Things" episode, the day before I went to see the film. One thing I do remember was being blown away when I first saw the Enterprise D crash landing. It's especially a shocker when you're used to watching TNG for years, then suddenly the flagship you grew up with comes crashiong down.
I really like these retrospectives. Fair without being snarky, the tone is spot on. And the content is golden.
There are a few scenes i genuinely tear up at. But the one that gets me every time is when Data findsout his beloved cat Spot survived the crash landing. As someone who has a cat myself and loves cats to bits that scene hits close to home.
I always find that scene kinda funny considering that Brent Spiner (Data's actor) absolutely HATES cats lmao :D
@@polyphoniczeitgeist465 I bet that is why they gave Data a cat in the series!
This series just got me through a 10 hour drive out of Las Vegas. You do an amazing job with reviewing Star Trek. Keep up this great work and keep the content coming.
The Generations Theme absolutely should be the theme tune for the NEXT next Generation.
Instead we got crapped on with _Picard_
@@RideAcrossTheRiver I don't hate Picard, there's some good stuff in there, it's just a shame Stewart got the control over the story he did - That man is living the longest mid life crisis of any man on the planet. Does he even understand WHO Picard is?
@@JustB3NJI Stewart I think is senile and the show creators never watched an episode of TNG. They think it's LOTR and NYC in space.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Ha! I don't want to hate on it too much, it ticked a few boxes for me, and I'll take it over nothing, but it is infuriating because the way I see it, all the rights things things are there for some stellar, but it gets ruined by some stupid choices that feel like a big F-you to Trek and so nessacary so...Not that I'm a purist, I can defend Voyager lol, I can totally go with the flow, but Star Trek is Star Trek...They are in Rome and they are not doing as the Romans do!
@@JustB3NJI ST is supposed to be modern-day problems placed in a more enlightened world. What those creeps did was to say, "our world is more enlightened and ST is the problem"
Finally a review for Generations that hits the nail on the head. At least for my taste. ;) I also could never really understand why the movie had such a bad reputation. In the 90s when I first saw it, I was really impressed by it and everyone who saw it with me also loved it.
Years later when I started using the internet to join scifi fan forums, I was surprised that this movie was often described as one of the worst in the ST franchise. Seems like many people grew up with that impression and never really questioned it. I'm happy I was able to make up my own mind without being influenced by other opinions. Nowadays even before a movie comes out there are already so many opinions floating around that it has become really hard to experience it without being influenced in any way.
Greetings from Germany :=)
Having decades of hindsight, I am a far bigger fan of the Enterprise D, compared to her successor. The crash landing was jaw-dropping, and beats the hell out of the utterly fake and unbelievable crash in Star Trek Beyond. I would have loved for Picard to have been able to go back and save his ship.
Destroying the Kelvin Enterprise in this film series seems so contrived anyway. A lot of wasted potential for this cast and crew after what I thought was a nice mix of Trek eras in Star Trek 2009.
Excellent! Really well done! Thank you!
Hell yeah, man! I loved Generations, too! It’s a fun, feel good movie. And the Enterprise D looked gorgeous!
Recently I Went To A Convention And Found The Comic Book Adaptation Of Star Trek: Generations And I Had Watched Star Trek: Generations Last Night. Perfect Opportunity Leading Up To This.
Drinking game: take a shot every time something that would have made this movie better was cut or scaled back over “budgetary concerns”
It wasn't a bad idea to keep costs low.
The Star Trek movies have always been niche in their appeal.
I can totally do that. *dies*. Huh. I was wrong. 😂
Generations was not only the first Star Trek film I ever saw, but was my introduction to the franchise and what made me a fan, so for this and pretty much the same reasons as you gave in the review here, Star Trek Generations is still a personal favourite of mine despite its flaws.
A minor note. People may be more familiar with the sailing ship used in the first scene as the HMS Interceptor from the first Pirate's of the Caribbean movie. So yeah... Jack Sparrow stole the Enterprise. He might be the best Pirate EVER!.
Dude, seriously, how do you not have 1 million subs....absolutely
incredible videos. Please keep it up!
Huge plot-hole leads to absolutely meaningless deaths for the franchise's most famous character and a beloved ship, Generations was a gigantic missed opportunity, Kirk and the ENT-D's send-off could have been so much more legendary!
Dude..... that idea of Kirk taking command of the Enterprise and going down with the ship. That sounds so epic and gave me goose bumps just hearing about it.
Looking forward to your DS9 retrospective… that’s a lot to squeeze in to an episode!
Generations is actually my personal favourite of the Star Trek films. I know it has flaws and that part of my love for it is nostalgia (I was obsessed with this film as a kid, mainly because of how cool the crash scene was), but I think it is a really good character story for Picard. I also absolutely love the score for this movie. The opening credits theme and the score that plays while Picard is in the Nexus are beautiful in my opinion.
Oh. And you missed that the lighting was changed specifically because the sets where designed for TV (no HD).
He alluded to that when he said the tv sets were more stages rather than for film
As a kid in the 90s and huge Star Trek nerd, I was beyond excited to have Kirk and Picard together in the same movie. Now, I apricate this movie for its more complex themes.
Penny pinchers! How expensive can costumes be?!
Those TNG costumes (S3 >) I recall having a high price tag but still the mixing of costumes really looks odd and theirs no good way of explaining it I know some fans have said 'oh they're transitioning to the new DS9 look', but in seriousness, they replicate uniforms which means Picard simply says "everyone throws on new uniforms next Monday" and it happens. I've always thought the black onesies should have been limited to DS9 as Starfleet was asked to run the station rather than it being a Starfleet base therefore they opted for a different look, that also fits that pre-Voyager no one else that arrived on the station wore the black uniform & the crew routinely changed out of it when off station such as Sisko's visit to Earth
@@aquamonkee The atrocious "mixing" of costumes is NOTHING compared to the killing off of Lursa & Betor; the demise of both here precluded their participation in the machinations of the Klingon Empire in DS9!
Visually this is a beautiful film with some very strong performances, and I've always thought deserved more credit. The destruction of the Enterprise D still is a wrench for me to watch.
I'm surprised that you didn't pick up on the connected theme between Data and Picard. It's not deep, but the similarity is about Picard and Data both struggling with their duties and responsibilities. And it sets up the moment where Picard is able to process his grief, before proceeding to Viridian 3 and entering the Nexus.
It's also a fulfilled promise of Data installing his emotion chip--which is alluded to in All Good Things.
Star Trek Generations is still one of the best looking films of the entire series and was very impressive in the theater. Even the shot before Data's classic "Oh shit" was amazing on a big screen, so much so I remember myself and everyone sitting around me saying it along with Data. Oh, and right after the crash ends and there is a moment of silence someone said, "Well, that was worth my six bucks right there." He got a big laugh. Everyone really seemed to enjoy the film, (flaws and all) and it's a fond Star Trek memory for me.
“Test audiences reacted badly, so Kirk’s death was re-shot...”
Audiences didn’t like that we shot Kirk, so we shot him again. >.
*facepalm* love it :)
I would never have guessed that the saucer crash scene was a practical effect and not CG.
effects are so cool
Someone overdub a Clay Davis 'Sheeeeeeeeee-it' over Data's line.
Or the hick from the elevator in Blind Fury.
Love clay Davis. A quite brilliant creation of those Wire writers. Also love Mayor Royce.(sp?)
Saw it in theatres with my dad who was a big Kirk fan and also a fan of TNG. I was a 5-7 year old at this time and was knee deep in Star Trek toys and even would make Star Trek episodes with my friends who had a VHS camcorder. I remember the movie and seeing it in theatres. It was epic.
Personally Insurrection is my #2 TNG film, but Generations has its merits. I do like the speech Kirk gives Picard about how he should turn down a promotion to admiral if one is offered.
Really? What makes Insurrection #2 for you? I've seen it and I honestly feel that the premise of the story, Picard defying StarFleet in order to assist the native citizens of a planet, had been done better on the shows. Episodes like Homeward.
@@felman87 maybe I’m a sucker for Gilbert and Sullivan’s music. More seriously, I like the feel of Insurrection much in the way this video’s author likes Generations. Insurrection has flaws, but there are a lot of small things I like about it, such as the crew interactions.
I think there’s a really interesting discussion to be had on which TNG movie is the second best of the four. In a poll, I think Generations would win, but Insurrection and Nemesis have fans as well.
@@pokepress
I'm a fan too.
I found First Contact irritating and thought this a return to form.
Definitely a film made for fans of the show.
A British Tar is a soaring soul...
I got to see this movie a week early in a special preview. I live in Green Bay WI. Anyone who has ever been here knows how crazy people can get over seeing Packers players in public. My parents and I got to the movie early and we were seated. Three Packers players came in, and people cheered and clapped. Shortly after, three Klingons came in and the theatre went nuts. The Klingons went up and down the aisles sneering at people and challenging them to duels. It was amazing. It was also my 14th birthday, so way to be young. Awesome videos though, so thanks for the series.