The problem with old Civics is, it's impossible to get a clean one. Honda made them brilliantly, but now they're all held together with stripped bolts, hacked wiring, and cheap ebay parts. I soent a long time trying to find a clean, stock, adult-owned EF, and then when I finally did, it got stolen. When the police found it a minth later, it was no longer clean or stock. Also, at leadt in the US basically 100% of Civics came with non-VTEC D-series engines. So you're looking at either doing a Day One engine swap, or sticking with a disappointingly weak platform. IMO old Civics make the best stock daily driver and fuel economy cars in the world, ot one of the best downhill touge cars in the world. If I was getting into something like drag racing or doing big highway pulls, I'd pick something else. Even if that something else winds up needing a K swap, the benefits of the Civic are largely wasted on Texas style racing.
@@JETZcorp preach it. But I’ll add that the biggest reason to buy an EG is because of how easy they are to work on, and just how out of this world they are engineered ->everything is logical about the platform. Also they’re mechanically indestructible in stock form, and easy and fun to drive. It’s also a very attentive looking vehicle. At the end of the day though if you want to engine swap an EG, convert to AWD, rebuild it with a dog box, or do anything else that doesn’t require welding or body work; it can be done in a weekend with rudimentary knowledge on a 20 year olds budget, with a set of metric craftsman sockets and wrenches. It’s truly a shame that platform didn’t have a longer production life ->I get it, it weighed 2000lbs and needed 700lbs of steel and airbags to qualify it for road safety in the 2000’s, but it’s still a black eye to the industry as a whole that the EG and EK were scrapped.
@@drewski5730 I had an EG and honestly didn't find it particularly easy to work on. They're easy to engine swap, but for general maintenance it's been much nicer working on other cars like Saturns, Escort ZX2, and my 5.9 Dakota R/T. All of those were notably more powerful (the Saturns were lighter too) and in stock form handled better. The EG chassis had better bones than any of them, but it would have required major surgery to tap into it. But the car FELT nice, was absurdly efficient (until I got my 70mpg Insight), and was easy to sell. It was over-engineered in the ouvre of little hatches, but I wound up going the Miata route. From the factory with even more advanced suspension geometry, full alignment capability, Bilsteins, torsen diff, 6-speed, and a DOHC engine that fuel cuts at 7,800. All stock, dealer serviced, girl-owned. Since I don't need back seats it's a really attractive package.
@@skyty0 the project cars of today come with ALOT more than the 90s and 80s. Like not all 240sx’s had disc brakes. Not to mention shit like infotainment systems, ABS, lsd all kinds of performance goodies you get on like a 2013 brz. The project cars of today are really solid for the price I feel
@@LieutenantNuggets where do you live? They’ve come down a bunch in price in the past 6 months. Bought mine low kms newer model for 26k in Sydney. But you can find 2013-14 gt86s for 15k all day on marketplace. What other car would you suggest that’s cheaper?
P plate legal, awd specifically in Australia. Also talking about the states with restrictions… go Mazdaspeed 3 or 6, ralliart. These go for anywhere between 10-25 for really good examples, fun reliable cheap power. I had a 450 hp Ralliart on my Ps, my tradesmen forged his mazdaspeed6 10 years ago and made ~600hp in his.
Not really. I agree it would be better with a ground-up Toyota engine, but I don't think anything in their current lineup really has it. Those 3-cylinders in the GR Yaris and Corolla are super sluggish to rev and boosty. The Subaru FA platform is pretty robust. The RTV thing is way overhyped and super easy to resolve.
miata for all the same reasons he stated. Ive owned both and i still own part of a brz, the blown fa20 motor thats still in my garage because i cant even give it away!
CHEAP?! I hate golfs and audis but at the moment the 86/BRZ market SUCKS and a Golf GTI would honestly be a better buy until the prices of 86s come back to like 12-15k
Here in the US they are not cheap by any means, first gen frs/brz/86 go for 10k easy, and on top of that they still blow the head gasket before it hits 120k like any other subaru...
Cheap used fun is sub $10k, even first year models here in the states are still above $13k. Its even worse once you find a modded one, because then the owner is trying to recover the cost of the mods on top, and the mods are always done in the shoddiest way possible.
Every time the boys talk about cheap performance cars I think of Marty's old Euro Turd and how it would absolutely slay a bunch of their cars that have come since, especially the Swift and 206. RIP Polo GTI, you were never even given a chance.
20k plus in aus for good one. As far as cars go i wouldnt say cheap exactly. But definitely a perfect p plater car. Or actually i would say subaru liberty gen 4. Super underated cars most especially the flat 6 version like martys. They got good na low end torque with a exhaust and tune. They have a timeless look. You can find one from 5-15k depening on engine and condition
Maybe it's different in the states, but over here, if you want something cheap, with good aftermarket, and turboable. Get a 350z, Mx-5/Roadster/Miata, 200SX/240SX Or the Europen special: BMW 3 or 5 series (essentially any older generation) The 86s are still expensive compared to what I listed above They've also got Subaru engines, which... I mean Subies have a reputation.
Focus ST225 mk2. Get a 4 door if ya want a family version. 2.5 litre turbo 5 cylinders. Great sounds, lots of mods for them, easy to tune. Cost about 4-5k for a decent one in UK. Easy peasy.
I believe they underpowered the BRZ so that there would be a tuning market. It's like a go-kart, it feels like you are at the limit when you are going normal speeds. So anything you do to it feels like you are adding a lot.
Ya the BRZ is really underrated, I’ve worked for Subaru for years and the only issue is they are not turbo but they handle amazingly. They already come with a high pressure fuel system so you just pop on a turbo and Cobb tune that thing and you got everyday car that can also race.
I took the big brother… WRX. Same FA boxer motor but with a spooly boy. Much more power, and enough room and trunk space to hold a family and luggage comfortably. Plus the option for a roof rack. Subaru was very smart partnering with Toyota to build the BRZ/86.
I would say that the new Hyundai i30N is really alot car for the money, considering the price compared to it’s rivals. It’s perfect for daily use as it goes really smooth and quiet on the roads and it shifts smoothly and nice with their self-developed 8-speed DCT when you drive it in ”normal” mode, but when you put in in the ”N” or ”Custom” Mode your car is 100% ready for trackday use, or fun in the traffic use! They have really focused on driving pleasure & fun features in their sporty cars. It may not be the fastest around the track compared to some rivals but the feel is absolutely fantastic & it has by far the best original exhaust sound of the hothatch rivals in my opinion. One of the favorite things about the car is that it has a boost button on the steering wheel that causes the car to overboost & go completely crazy in the gearbox among other things, it goes completely wild & also gets an extra 50nm which lasts for 20 seconds with an inciting countdown shown in the display. Then the car needs a cooldown before the next use so that it doesn't overheat & tear the stuff. I've never driven a more fun front wheel drive car, it feels like a racing video game… I must say that Hyundai has really done a good job with their performance cars, it’s really impressive.
I traded my frs for a SS camaro. I learned a lot in the frs. The camaro feels like a frs with double the power. Even though I love my camaro there are days i miss that underdog fighter spirit of the frs. I made a profit when i sold the frs. The salesman's son bought it before i even left the dealership.
I really wish you gave the s2k a proper go. Its like a 86 but just better in every item on the list. Unopened stock engine can take boost well into the 700+ range with ease. And they would chop every single on of the cars in your fleet with a few mods
In the uk they’re like 10k for a 10yo high mileage one. And insurance is so expensive no one under 25 can have 2 cars so I did what everyone else did and bought a golf gti.
If they came out with an inline 4 turbo (k20-k24) or etc, then it would be perfect 👌 Yes the boxer has a lower center of gravity buuuuut its also got a laundry list of problems. Also, a fun car needs to be under 10k for a base model. Most here in nz now are 20k plus.
😂 What’s hilarious is the troves of ppl that comment they disagree … yet most have never owned or even driven a FRS/BRZ/86 smh. If the cars were so “slow” and enjoyable then why would they still be commanding so much money in the used market ? Simple answer because they are great cars for what they were designed to do.
I would argue the MX-5, it's cheap, widely modified, factory track ready before mods are done, is a proper driver's car for what it is. Wether its the NA, NB or NC. The ND is still fairly new and expensive
Miatas you do HAVE to be smaller person for. I'd say that too, I own a frs and I've driven NA NB miatas. But Vert only and being crammed made it a no go. (And the frs is on rails in comparison stock vs stock)
Well they also kind of follow the MX5 formula lightweight acceptable HP low center of gravity and RWD. cars like the 86/BRZ and MX5 Miata prove that you don't need crazy HP numbers to have a car that's fun to drive. Like even my regular NA 2019 Impreza is fun to drive I have very few mods on it but even then when I drive it a certain way it's a blast to drive.
They started to dip down to about £7/8k in the UK before COVID and I was really tempted. You are hard pushed to find one under £12k now and at that price it just doesn't quite make sense to me. Shame, I think they are cool looking.
Wow, I just looked up P plate laws...so strict! In NZ, you can legitimately drive a 2000hp car by the time you turn 16, on a restricted licence (ie no passengers and home before 10pm) 😂
I was thinking of Fiesta ST mk5 I bought one for 11k PLN (3k $?) It is awesome! 7,9 to 60mph stock is enough in daily driving. A LOT of space and parts are crazy cheap
I think it's the 350z. well good luck finding one that hasn't been crashed, that might be why most of them are cheap, but they are cheaper than the brz, they're faster, not that much heavier. probably more expensive to insure but yeah. it's the favorite car of people who die in single car accidents
I disagree only in my case at least. My wrx does it all. The awd is truly amazing for snow. It has great aftermarket and performance. I've managed to impress a 4 runner owner by backing out of a snowdrift without shoveling after 3+ feet of snow fell. The car has treated me very well over the years.
Ngl with the amount of gti content they do i was expecting him to say that but as soon as he said "you can turbo them" my guess changed to civic. Didn't expect BRZ tbh
You guys should do an Alfa 33 IE next... She's begging for ECU shocks drop and tires. FWD, 1.7, boxer, well under a tonne. My first car, $1500 in 2012. Thing is a handling weapon and with a tubski it'll be wild. Good match for euro showdown against pukebro
You can go even cheaper with the Scion FRS, it has a bit less horsepower, but its a few thousand cheeper and it's the exact same car as the 86 and the BRZ
I think Mustang jumps out to me. They comport themselves well all the way from Texas Mile to autocross and touge. Cars like the 86, Civic, Miata etc are awesome and definitely my kind of thing, but dang if you live in Corn Country you'd be wishing you got a Camaro instead. We have a lot of places 1,200mi from the nearest twisty road.
The connection these kids have is special. That's all we are. Just a bunch of big kids trying to figure out how the world should work. Its up to us to be better and show our children what's right
Id say miata if your looking to build a fun car under 10k. Brz's still are fetching 20k plus all the mods you would have to do to make it fun. If your looking to stay in a straight line cant beat a 2wd ls v8 silverado regular cab and an ebay turbo kit can do this well under 10k
I was thinking an old civic all the way when he spoke about why it’s the best 😄
This was my thought too. Like the ef, eg or ek models.
@@Sleepy_spartan717 🙌🏻 100% on the same page
The problem with old Civics is, it's impossible to get a clean one. Honda made them brilliantly, but now they're all held together with stripped bolts, hacked wiring, and cheap ebay parts. I soent a long time trying to find a clean, stock, adult-owned EF, and then when I finally did, it got stolen. When the police found it a minth later, it was no longer clean or stock.
Also, at leadt in the US basically 100% of Civics came with non-VTEC D-series engines. So you're looking at either doing a Day One engine swap, or sticking with a disappointingly weak platform.
IMO old Civics make the best stock daily driver and fuel economy cars in the world, ot one of the best downhill touge cars in the world. If I was getting into something like drag racing or doing big highway pulls, I'd pick something else. Even if that something else winds up needing a K swap, the benefits of the Civic are largely wasted on Texas style racing.
@@JETZcorp preach it. But I’ll add that the biggest reason to buy an EG is because of how easy they are to work on, and just how out of this world they are engineered ->everything is logical about the platform. Also they’re mechanically indestructible in stock form, and easy and fun to drive. It’s also a very attentive looking vehicle. At the end of the day though if you want to engine swap an EG, convert to AWD, rebuild it with a dog box, or do anything else that doesn’t require welding or body work; it can be done in a weekend with rudimentary knowledge on a 20 year olds budget, with a set of metric craftsman sockets and wrenches.
It’s truly a shame that platform didn’t have a longer production life ->I get it, it weighed 2000lbs and needed 700lbs of steel and airbags to qualify it for road safety in the 2000’s, but it’s still a black eye to the industry as a whole that the EG and EK were scrapped.
@@drewski5730 I had an EG and honestly didn't find it particularly easy to work on. They're easy to engine swap, but for general maintenance it's been much nicer working on other cars like Saturns, Escort ZX2, and my 5.9 Dakota R/T. All of those were notably more powerful (the Saturns were lighter too) and in stock form handled better. The EG chassis had better bones than any of them, but it would have required major surgery to tap into it. But the car FELT nice, was absurdly efficient (until I got my 70mpg Insight), and was easy to sell. It was over-engineered in the ouvre of little hatches, but I wound up going the Miata route. From the factory with even more advanced suspension geometry, full alignment capability, Bilsteins, torsen diff, 6-speed, and a DOHC engine that fuel cuts at 7,800. All stock, dealer serviced, girl-owned. Since I don't need back seats it's a really attractive package.
They’re not cheap here in California. Used ones, people are still asking near retail prices for them.
And can’t turbo them here
They're not cheap anywhere. $15k is "affordable" for a project car these days.
I suspect you're talking about the new gen while moog is talking about the first gen
@@skyty0 the project cars of today come with ALOT more than the 90s and 80s. Like not all 240sx’s had disc brakes.
Not to mention shit like infotainment systems, ABS, lsd all kinds of performance goodies you get on like a 2013 brz. The project cars of today are really solid for the price I feel
Same up north in Canada.
"Cheap" Still over 30k secondhand lol
Where on earth do you live? Can pick up an 86 for 15k in Australia right now
@@fuctalignment broken ones don't count. Cheapest one I can find in my area is 26k
@@LieutenantNuggets where do you live? They’ve come down a bunch in price in the past 6 months. Bought mine low kms newer model for 26k in Sydney. But you can find 2013-14 gt86s for 15k all day on marketplace. What other car would you suggest that’s cheaper?
a cheap one is around 18-20k
Same here in europe, 25 minimum
P plate legal, awd specifically in Australia. Also talking about the states with restrictions… go Mazdaspeed 3 or 6, ralliart. These go for anywhere between 10-25 for really good examples, fun reliable cheap power. I had a 450 hp Ralliart on my Ps, my tradesmen forged his mazdaspeed6 10 years ago and made ~600hp in his.
Until it goes pop. As they do. Toyota should have built the engine.
Not really. I agree it would be better with a ground-up Toyota engine, but I don't think anything in their current lineup really has it. Those 3-cylinders in the GR Yaris and Corolla are super sluggish to rev and boosty. The Subaru FA platform is pretty robust. The RTV thing is way overhyped and super easy to resolve.
they're not idiot proof like Toyota engines you just have to take care of them afaik...
Yeah, such a shame, such an idiotic engine that still have ancient problems.
miata for all the same reasons he stated. Ive owned both and i still own part of a brz, the blown fa20 motor thats still in my garage because i cant even give it away!
@emerc5210 I’ll take that off ur hands
LS swap it is then....
CHEAP?! I hate golfs and audis but at the moment the 86/BRZ market SUCKS and a Golf GTI would honestly be a better buy until the prices of 86s come back to like 12-15k
Bruh people want 50k for a gti. Tf are you smoking thinking theyre cheap.
@average1jzenjoyer778 50k plus for a new GTI, yeah, but there are Mk4s out there under 9k
@@SnakeOfBacon I will say tho the GTi costs more brand new but used they're dirt cheap
Moog knows his stuff.
Cheapest here in finland is 35k
Add on the tax aswell... finland is painful to buy a car (at least it appears to be, I'm 16, so I cant say)
Half the price here in Sweden, but i guess it will be expensive to import.
The "answer" is MIATA any year, any budget.
miatas are cringe, only good for girls
Not if you're over 5ft tall.
@@weedshoes5089 I am 6 feet tall and even with a race helmet I fit in my ND2 just fine with the top up....
@njasicko thats funny. Every time I instruct in one, I feel like I'm practically looking over the top of the windshield.
@@weedshoes5089 There are aftermarket seat rails for the ND1/2 that can get taller drives in as well and drop a good 15/20lbs in weight as well.
Here in the US they are not cheap by any means, first gen frs/brz/86 go for 10k easy, and on top of that they still blow the head gasket before it hits 120k like any other subaru...
That is cheap, not dirt cheap. And no, wrong motor for gaskets
Cheap used fun is sub $10k, even first year models here in the states are still above $13k. Its even worse once you find a modded one, because then the owner is trying to recover the cost of the mods on top, and the mods are always done in the shoddiest way possible.
Every time the boys talk about cheap performance cars I think of Marty's old Euro Turd and how it would absolutely slay a bunch of their cars that have come since, especially the Swift and 206. RIP Polo GTI, you were never even given a chance.
The oil pickups clog brand new 💀
20k plus in aus for good one. As far as cars go i wouldnt say cheap exactly. But definitely a perfect p plater car. Or actually i would say subaru liberty gen 4. Super underated cars most especially the flat 6 version like martys. They got good na low end torque with a exhaust and tune. They have a timeless look. You can find one from 5-15k depening on engine and condition
20k?? I’ve seen em listed for 15k. Plus, rwd wins all day for fun per dollar.
Maybe it's different in the states, but over here, if you want something cheap, with good aftermarket, and turboable.
Get a 350z, Mx-5/Roadster/Miata, 200SX/240SX
Or the Europen special: BMW 3 or 5 series (essentially any older generation)
The 86s are still expensive compared to what I listed above
They've also got Subaru engines, which... I mean Subies have a reputation.
Damn if only used ones werent selling for close to retail in America 😢
I haven't seen these guys in a while and realize how old I'm getting. Fuck he got the grays coming in
We aged together with these guys. It's like all of a sudden I'm 35 and moog has a family!
Focus ST225 mk2. Get a 4 door if ya want a family version. 2.5 litre turbo 5 cylinders. Great sounds, lots of mods for them, easy to tune. Cost about 4-5k for a decent one in UK. Easy peasy.
I believe they underpowered the BRZ so that there would be a tuning market. It's like a go-kart, it feels like you are at the limit when you are going normal speeds. So anything you do to it feels like you are adding a lot.
Every civic ever made or the Mazda miata
Why are you even thinking about the brz
Agreed, still get miatas cheaper than brz’s and therye definitely more fun
Miata less practical and less comfortable, almost every civic is a shitbox economy car except for a handful, and they still fwd anyhows
86: When you always wanted a Miata but don't want to hear the jokes.
When is the next jimny/kai trip ? Love your guys channel.. all the way from S.A.
Lol i saw you moog this morning on the street, recognised you from the back. But had to continue driving to work :(
I did turbo kswap to my 86, absolutely a game changer
If they made it in AWD I would get one. Two seater AWD with after market support I would buy in a heartbeat
Ya the BRZ is really underrated, I’ve worked for Subaru for years and the only issue is they are not turbo but they handle amazingly. They already come with a high pressure fuel system so you just pop on a turbo and Cobb tune that thing and you got everyday car that can also race.
I took the big brother… WRX. Same FA boxer motor but with a spooly boy. Much more power, and enough room and trunk space to hold a family and luggage comfortably. Plus the option for a roof rack. Subaru was very smart partnering with Toyota to build the BRZ/86.
I would say that the new Hyundai i30N is really alot car for the money, considering the price compared to it’s rivals. It’s perfect for daily use as it goes really smooth and quiet on the roads and it shifts smoothly and nice with their self-developed 8-speed DCT when you drive it in ”normal” mode, but when you put in in the ”N” or ”Custom” Mode your car is 100% ready for trackday use, or fun in the traffic use! They have really focused on driving pleasure & fun features in their sporty cars. It may not be the fastest around the track compared to some rivals but the feel is absolutely fantastic & it has by far the best original exhaust sound of the hothatch rivals in my opinion. One of the favorite things about the car is that it has a boost button on the steering wheel that causes the car to overboost & go completely crazy in the gearbox among other things, it goes completely wild & also gets an extra 50nm which lasts for 20 seconds with an inciting countdown shown in the display. Then the car needs a cooldown before the next use so that it doesn't overheat & tear the stuff. I've never driven a more fun front wheel drive car, it feels like a racing video game…
I must say that Hyundai has really done a good job with their performance cars, it’s really impressive.
Keep it wrapped up if you want to continue to daily drive it.
I was for sure thinking the mx-5, idk about daily after turboing a boxer engine
I traded my frs for a SS camaro. I learned a lot in the frs. The camaro feels like a frs with double the power. Even though I love my camaro there are days i miss that underdog fighter spirit of the frs.
I made a profit when i sold the frs. The salesman's son bought it before i even left the dealership.
I really wish you gave the s2k a proper go. Its like a 86 but just better in every item on the list. Unopened stock engine can take boost well into the 700+ range with ease. And they would chop every single on of the cars in your fleet with a few mods
Too expensive, rare and fussy. Poor torque/drivability thanks to the revviness. Fast? Yes.
In the uk they’re like 10k for a 10yo high mileage one. And insurance is so expensive no one under 25 can have 2 cars so I did what everyone else did and bought a golf gti.
I thought he was about to say Civic. It's the king
Flogged Civics with 200k on the odo go for $10k in Australia lol
Oof. I thought he was going to say civic too, but I see why if they’re 10k they’d be off the list 😂
@@s.baldrick3807 Still beats the brz/86 for value, any day. $10k roobucks is about $6,500USD. It's about the same on the west coast
I have an old stock EK Civic. I'm doing body work and paint and maybe a turbo and new suspension
Everyone’s forgetting how good and reliable a Chevy Cobalt SS with the LSJ motor really is till they drive one.
Hell yes.
If they came out with an inline 4 turbo (k20-k24) or etc, then it would be perfect 👌
Yes the boxer has a lower center of gravity buuuuut its also got a laundry list of problems.
Also, a fun car needs to be under 10k for a base model.
Most here in nz now are 20k plus.
😂 What’s hilarious is the troves of ppl that comment they disagree … yet most have never owned or even driven a FRS/BRZ/86 smh. If the cars were so “slow” and enjoyable then why would they still be commanding so much money in the used market ? Simple answer because they are great cars for what they were designed to do.
Still remember the first drive after I've got my license, still in awe with how it drives.
Have one, can't disagree
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAGAGGGAGAHAGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks for the laugh Moog, needed that.
I would argue the MX-5, it's cheap, widely modified, factory track ready before mods are done, is a proper driver's car for what it is. Wether its the NA, NB or NC. The ND is still fairly new and expensive
Miatas you do HAVE to be smaller person for. I'd say that too, I own a frs and I've driven NA NB miatas. But Vert only and being crammed made it a no go. (And the frs is on rails in comparison stock vs stock)
Make a 4door. Or even a Wagon-asque coupe version.
My youbg kids needs to enjoy cheap automotive fun, too!
1994 BMW 325i 4 door manual 5 Speed. ❤😂🎉my daily. With almost 240,000 miles original engine and Transmission.
Well they also kind of follow the MX5 formula lightweight acceptable HP low center of gravity and RWD. cars like the 86/BRZ and MX5 Miata prove that you don't need crazy HP numbers to have a car that's fun to drive. Like even my regular NA 2019 Impreza is fun to drive I have very few mods on it but even then when I drive it a certain way it's a blast to drive.
They started to dip down to about £7/8k in the UK before COVID and I was really tempted. You are hard pushed to find one under £12k now and at that price it just doesn't quite make sense to me. Shame, I think they are cool looking.
My old 2010 rolla blitzed the 86 in a drag race everytime
I was thinking Miata / MX5. But, the 86/BRZ is pretty good too. A little harder to work on though.
Wow, I just looked up P plate laws...so strict! In NZ, you can legitimately drive a 2000hp car by the time you turn 16, on a restricted licence (ie no passengers and home before 10pm) 😂
I’d rather the 130kw/ tonne rule over that curfew tbh. We can drive all night if we wanted to but no passengers under the age of 25 between 11pm-5am.
86 is a dream car for me
I’m genuinely looking at getting a vm levorg because of your videos on them lol
I was thinking of Fiesta ST mk5
I bought one for 11k PLN (3k $?)
It is awesome! 7,9 to 60mph stock is enough in daily driving. A LOT of space and parts are crazy cheap
Still got my 86👌
So does Moog actually think this or just saying to disagree with Marty? This has been my problem with the whole scripted rivalry of MCM.
Lies detected. 🚨 The answer is Honda Civic, but Moog will never admit it. They did NUMBERS.
Both created Dec 1986 in a marketing interview...
I got a n54 bmw cost me 4k in English money.spent 2k got nearly 500hp handles like a dream
the s550 mustang
I think it's the 350z. well good luck finding one that hasn't been crashed, that might be why most of them are cheap, but they are cheaper than the brz, they're faster, not that much heavier. probably more expensive to insure but yeah. it's the favorite car of people who die in single car accidents
Search “Sip and feast” to see moog in his other job 😊
Used GT86 here goes for about the same as retail.
My buddy got an integra type R in 2009 for like 2000$ and it ran and had like 200,000 km.
In aussie it might be in europe its the mk5 gti
"Be the Man On the Road, Drive Monaro
Maybe in Australia they are a lot of car for the money but in the UK they're pretty overpriced for their performance .
I disagree only in my case at least. My wrx does it all. The awd is truly amazing for snow. It has great aftermarket and performance. I've managed to impress a 4 runner owner by backing out of a snowdrift without shoveling after 3+ feet of snow fell. The car has treated me very well over the years.
Ngl with the amount of gti content they do i was expecting him to say that but as soon as he said "you can turbo them" my guess changed to civic. Didn't expect BRZ tbh
I thought he was going to say Holden Commodore.
I thought he was talking the au falcon 😂
86 all dayyy
In Europe you can’t even order a new one atm, it’s so popular they stop taking orders
You guys should do an Alfa 33 IE next... She's begging for ECU shocks drop and tires. FWD, 1.7, boxer, well under a tonne. My first car, $1500 in 2012. Thing is a handling weapon and with a tubski it'll be wild. Good match for euro showdown against pukebro
Rs3 is number 1
The 86 or BRZ was recommended by a performance shop in Rozelle
I miss my FRS 😞
An old crown vic can be a great sleeper
True, or Civic, when i count Australian scenario.
Totally thought he was gonna say kei truck 😢
You can go even cheaper with the Scion FRS, it has a bit less horsepower, but its a few thousand cheeper and it's the exact same car as the 86 and the BRZ
You guys should do a ez swap on one
We don't have "86's" in the states.
You have to buy the BRZ or Scion FR-S
Aye ive been wanting a brz since i was a freshman im 20 now, saving to move out then getting a brz got a suv rn 😂
Marty if sucking up after his joke about BRZ's.
Yeah, but the dealers ruined it.
Ford falcon HAS to be an honourable mention, i get their audience is international, but theres still alot of Aussie viewers!
i think it was mentioned in the og vid
@@MrChicken_ it wasn't
I kinda like my VW Golf.
You had the make right, but forgot to say Celica GT4
Wish they were way more popular in Europe. For a new one you pay €55k.
I'm unfortunately not a 86 brz fan but hope one day you guys will pick up a 350z or 370z I for the collection
They did. They had a 350z like 4 years ago
Skoda octovia vrs 2008 . Turbo heaps of options as they are an audi
Here in America it’s more lieu to be a civic si (90s-10) or a vette also 90s through mid 10s
I think Mustang jumps out to me. They comport themselves well all the way from Texas Mile to autocross and touge. Cars like the 86, Civic, Miata etc are awesome and definitely my kind of thing, but dang if you live in Corn Country you'd be wishing you got a Camaro instead. We have a lot of places 1,200mi from the nearest twisty road.
Rip that Horizontal opposed POS out / turbo 3K
Unfortunately its 120K AU where I live..
"cheap" is a word Moog needs to look up when talking to the general public who have cost of living troubles
The connection these kids have is special. That's all we are. Just a bunch of big kids trying to figure out how the world should work. Its up to us to be better and show our children what's right
When ever you guys say "Car" i can hear those damn crows in my yard mocking me
"CAW CAW CAW"
But do the bottom ends give out like a typical Subaru on laxatives
Id say miata if your looking to build a fun car under 10k. Brz's still are fetching 20k plus all the mods you would have to do to make it fun. If your looking to stay in a straight line cant beat a 2wd ls v8 silverado regular cab and an ebay turbo kit can do this well under 10k
Base c6 vette 09 or newer regardless of miles beats this car in all the categories mentioned as a reason
WRECK IT … yeaaaaaa!!