Because the writers aren't usually female? And if they are, the directors and producers often aren't, so a lot of the nuance gets lost to appeal to the Male audience/ gaze.
As others have already pointed out, I’ve always related and loved female characters written by female writers than the ones written by male writers. Kind of odd.
I think the beauty of Jane Austen's heroines is how we can identify with different characteristics of all of them on different levels, even though we are all different people and so are the heroines. That's her genius. Her characters were all relatable in some way and taught us something beautiful about ourselves, but also our flaws, and that we don't have to be afraid of admitting them, and improving on them to become better people. All of them were my role models when I was a teenager and still are, and they heavily influenced who I became as a person. My best qualities I learned from them, and I'll always be grateful to Jane Austen for these masterpieces she created 200 years ago, that still resonate with us so much, and are so true to human nature, no matter what time we live in.
Lizzie:"You are the last man I would ever prevail upon to marry" Mr.Darcy: *Thoughts* Why did she reject me? I just insulted her status, family and everything she cares about ?
hahaha love this. YES when I saw the scene in the Keira Knightley movie where all the Bennett sisters are sitting together wearing pastels and Mary is in black not smiling I thought oh look there's me.
The thing is that Lizzy/Jane or Marianne/Elinor are just two sides of the same coin. Lizzy and Marianne are what a lot of women feel on the inside but Jane and Elinor are what we sometimes feel compelled to be for self preservation or safety’s sake.
I think it's more than just self preservation though, it is to do with being older and wiser, genuinely more aware of social realities. Elinor is the only one who appreciates their financial position, for example, while Jane understands someone like Darcy may have positive as well as negative pride, that Mr Collins is not the worst man anyone could ever marry (Wickham would be worse), that people can be kind as well as enjoy the schadenfreude etc. Jane voices a lot of Austens's commentary in PP.
@@kahkah1986 Part of it is also, as the video points out, that the eldest children shoulder some of the burdens the younger siblings don't have to, like getting married to save the family property. Lizzie. Emma, and Marianne definitely benefit from being younger siblings.
@@leriava She ran away apparently. She was in my first edit but I think I accidently nixxed her. On the upside Jane is pretty much the only one most people have read/know of so it would be interesting to dive into all four writers more in depth
@@speagle318 Fanny is my favourite Austen heroine. Likely because she’s who I identify with the most. Lizzy and Emma get all the glory, but I wish we appreciated Fanny more.
For the Emma segment it confused the heckin heck out of me when they said “her mother is dead, and her older sister is married” and they showed Miss Taylor walking down the aisle I was like “That’s Not ISABELLA!”
@@melenatorr It's a nice adaptation but not the best it could be, it lacks a lot of nuances of the book. I wish BBC would finally do a decent mini series of this novel.
There's another one from 2007 I think. With Sally Hawkins. But it's not really that good. I want one like the new Emma. Faithful to original and pretty to look at
I love that many Hollywood films take inspiration from Austen's works, and even have updated versions. "Clueless" is a 90's Valley Girl version of "Emma", while "Bridget Jones' Diary" is essentially "Pride and Prejudice", with Mr Darcy himself playing unlikely hero Mark Darcy! ♥️
As much as I *love* Colin Firth in that movie, I will never forgive whomever thought it was a good idea to convert one of the greatest works of wit into an awkward British 00's cringe comedy.
Brought you timestamps 2:04 Lizzie (Pride and predjudice) 5:52 Emma (Emma) 11:00 Marianne (Sense and sensitivity) 15:40 Elinor (S&s) and Jane (P&p) 18:00 Anne (Persuasion) 20:39 Catherine (Northanger abbey) 21:36 Fanny (Mansfield park)
I read all of Austen once a year. She was so far ahead of her time and her ability to capture human nature in her characters was amazing. Witty, intelligent, but still so light hearted at times. Although I skip the beginning of Sense and Sensibility because their brother and his wife are the worst.
“I declare after all there is no enjoyment like reading! How much sooner one tires of any thing than of a book! -- When I have a house of my own, I shall be miserable if I have not an excellent library.” ― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
This comment is a year old, but I love that Miss Bingley says this but has no true interest in reading. She says it only to impress Mr. Darcy who had commented on Lizzie’s enjoyment of reading. Miss Bingley was the OG pick me girl
Everyone wants to be Lizzie, just admits it. She holds all quality of the satirical traits of an " independent woman" media so obsessed about. Culture mistakes intelligent for value, so that is why intellectual meets their doom of vanity.
What do you mean mistakes intelligence for value? Intelligence is valuable- as well as the other traits deemed as responsible or sensible or caring but if a woman is smart they can tend to be mistreated. I think people like Lizzie because she gets to be intelligent and undaunted about it.
"as logical as you consider yourself you are invested in a true romantic love an won't settle for less" yup I am definitely a Lizzy looking for a kind man
None of these. I'm Anne, of Persuasion, with a little of Lizzie's wit and perhaps Lydia's foolishness, and Mary's well-developed capacity for being a bore
@@MsDonttrythisathome well, if you were an outsider, like Fanny is, you could point out how Lizzie only falls in love with Mr Darcy when she realises how wealthy he is, she even jokes about his beautiful grounds. Before that she flirted with Wickham, a man she had no real intention of marrying because they were both poor, as she does to a certain extent with Colonel Fitzwilliam. Her definition of a 'marrying very well' to Jane is jokey, but it is financial, as much as it is emotional. Later, she gets upset about Lydia running away and ruining her reputation, and she is pleased when Darcy gets Lydia married off, despite everything she knows about Wickham and the way he has slept with everyone in her village, because of how it now looks to the outside world - that's the only marriage Lydia could make for the foreseeable future. Right or wrong is not the crux of the story, it is hushing up the scandal - Lizzie is not supposed to be read as entirely without a moral compass, but a less sympathetic novel that didn't follow Lizzie's thoughts would show her pragmatism more clearly. In the same way, Mary Crawford is worried about public scandal, not what's really happening or how people really feel hurt by immorality. Like Mary Crawford, Lizzie's sexual attractiveness gives her power that is disproportionate to her social standing. Men like Darcy ignore grumpy old Lady Catherine and her stuffy views, but he is literally bewitched by Lizzie's fine eyes. PP is funny because there is that unsubtle contrast between Lizzie, who at the start of the novel appears very egalitarian and trusting of Wickham over the wealthy Darcy, but by the end is pretty much siding with Darcy that her family is an embarrassment and sophisticated people are the only way to go. Darcy's love for her on the other hand is transgressive because it is based on physical and emotional needs, rather than pure logic, they drive him to be more egalitarian and to be more radical in rejecting the expectations for him to ignore these feelings and marry wealth. Literally, they balance each other out so much that society doesn't change by their bending of the rules; their marriage is a weird nonrevolutionary revolution. Lizzie's choices therefore do work in the context of the novel, which is relaxed about wealth generally, whilst encouraging the removal of unnecessary social boundaries around love and marriage but *only for people like Lizzie who have proved by their sexiness and pizzazz to deserve it*, while MP brings up uncomfortable realities of that kind of attitude, really everyone should have some rights. MP looks at slavery, the boundaries of marriage, class etc. as examples of worrying trends in institutions, and in Mary's case the limits to the power bewitching sexiness can give you if other people still judge you.
I was worried you were gonna sleep on the less 'popular' heroines when all your focus seemed to be on Austen's IT girls lol Thankfully, you didn't let me down. I'm a total Eleanor with a touch of Fanny in there
I’m a self proclaimed Lizzie but I do resonate with Marianne’s passion for creative expression but also Elinor’s willingness to sacrifice showing her feelings for the sake of someone she cares about
Even though I’m a girl I always saw myself a bit in Lizzie’s father Mr. Bennet. Both he and I are optimists and love to spend alone time in the library also I’m always stuck with my head above the clouds and need a reality check every now and then 😂 who else can relate?
I’m tired of people not understanding Emma. Privilege was the world she lived in and she was EXPECTED to behave as higher than others. I’m glad they mentioned her self-sufficiency but they completely forgot her two most important qualities: her imagination and feelings of loneliness. Emma is the woman who seemingly has everything she could ever want but really just wants intellectual stimulation, which she really only receives from Mr. Knightly. She’s stuck in a situation where she has no outlets for her intellect and it makes her lonely and imaginative. Her imagination running away with her and she almost lives her day dreams. Those who get stuck in their own daydreams, thoughts, and planning are Emmas. If you’ve ever caught yourself imagining what you’d say or do in a social situation (confessing to a crush or having a crush confess to you) then you know what it’s like to be an Emma.
i see myself so much in elizabeth bennett, when i was a kid i always had the feelings lizzie is gonna be my future self,, now im just patiently waiting for mr.darcy to come out. btw jane austen was such a talented writer!!
Me too! She’s my favourite Austen heroine. I love her quiet strength and resilience. Emma and Lizzy get all the glory, and I wish that we’d give Fanny (and Catherine) a bit more love.
Thank you for including the full spectrum of Austen heroines, especially Fanny, Catherine and Anne! I was scared this would be the usual re-tread of Emma, Lizzie… But Austen's understanding of female insight is broader, complex, and even includes insight of flaws, and the video gets to demonstrates this. Glad I looked past the (understandably) clickbait title!
If you’re a Marianne, your “ideal partner” is old enough to be your father and he marries you because you remind him of his dead childhood sweetheart, but it would be too weird to just marry her daughter, who happens to have shared the same former lover as you. 🙃 If you’re an Emma, your “ideal partner” is sixteen years older than you, started to fall in love with you when you were thirteen, and has been teaching you how to behave for all of your adolescence and early adulthood 🙃 If you’re a Lizzie, your “ideal partner” is everyone’s ideal partner, so get ready for some competition
If you're an Anne, you only ever had one "ideal partner" but as you broke up with them, they will revenge flirt with your younger relatives and then angrily insist they only ever cared about you the moment you manage to get yourself another boyfriend... If you're a Catherine, your "ideal partner" is not so much your intellectual superior as your intellectual know-it-all. Fortunately, they find the time to give you plenty of lectures. How would you survive without their untiring instruction? If you're an Elinor, don't expect your "ideal partner" to inform you he is engaged to someone else. Or indeed break up with that someone else. Only extreme carelessness on the part of other relatives will allow you to get a whisper of a look in there. And even then, will he keep you informed of these surprise developments? Barely.
Sometimes I feel like I'm an Emma, especially after watching the latest adaptation! But whenever I watch the miniseries of Pride & Prejudice and reread the book, I think I'm a Lizzie, for her quick conclusions, her resolution that her opinion is right, her particular humor, her ability to move well within society and keep up manners, and her need to understand someone before she accepts she might have been wrong. Love all of the heroines and heroes of Austen
This video makes me want to get into Austen's books. I read Pride and Prejudice in college, but, like a lot of things I read in college, I felt I didn't enjoy it since we had to keep up with a pretty brisk schedule, and I prefer to read at a pretty casual pace. Everything I hear from folks about Austen's work makes me think that I'd really enjoy them now they I can read them on my own time.
Sense and Sensibility (1811) - Marianne and Elinor Pride and Prejudice (1813) - Jane, Elizabeth, Mary, Kitty, and Lydia Mansfield Park (1814) - Fanny Emma (1815) - Emma Northanger Abbey (1818, posthumous) - Catherine Persuasion (1818, posthumous) - Anne Lady Susan (1871, posthumous) - Susan
Mainly and naturally a Marianne, but as I’ve gotten older have had learn to add a dash of Elinor and Lizzy into the mix to avoid getting into trouble/heart broken.
Trust me, in a household that has nothing but resentment and negativity, kindness and the ability to shut your feelings off is the best move to make. I know this makes me sound like an Elinor but its for the best
I'm definitely more of a Catherine. I have a very overactive imagination and I can jump to conclusions but don't really mean anything by it. I'm creative and definitely have a clever mind even if i should think critically more.
I feel I have traits from all of them, or at least some of them were stronger at different times of my life. That's the beauty of Jane Austen, she wrote heroines that all women could feel identified with. She was a true feminist. Imagine reading this back when it came out, seeing yourself and feeling acceptance, how powerful!
I just greatly appreciate that Jane Austen was writing such wonderful, nuanced, intelligent, deep and flawed heroines. Austen heroines are REAL in a way that few others are, especially those written so long ago. She had such respect for women, for our intelligence and emotions. How many romantic heroines could claim to be as intelligent and fleshed out as those written by Austen? She was writing strong female characters well before the term existed. And well before feminism existed. She was extraordinary. I wish we had more Jane Austens in the world. We’d certainly have much better female characters!
As for me, I’m a Fanny. (Heh, can’t help myself). I think she’s one of the least appreciated Austen heroines. I admire her quiet strength and resilience through hardship.
Would you have thought Lady Russell's advice to Anne Elliott had been so bad had Frederick Wentworth's first ship gone down, as he said it might well have done? Perhaps Anne should have ignored the good advice simply because the reward was worth the risk? Lizzie Bennet realises just as Charlotte Lucas does that she is nor free to marry without forutne...don't think anywhere in the novel does it suggest she is happy to leave that responsibility to Jane, she is simply not prepared to marry without love and would be appalled if Jane did so, as she is when Charlotte does.
I feel like most of the lesser known Austen girls. Getting overlooked like Fanny, Anne, and Elinor; being naive like Cathy, that’s pretty much my life so far. I love Lizzie to pieces and Pride and Prejudice got me through some rough times. I feel like there’s some Lizzy buried inside me that’s just waiting to bust out, but I have no clue how to open that door. I guess that’s why I love Jane Austen as much as I do. She definitely knew her shit!
Hears two character descriptions Me: ha, they’re nothing like me. They can’t find someone like me. Video describes Maryanne Me: Fuck, that’s ME and everyone I’ve ever dated 🤯
I may be a mash between Emma and Elinor. I related to Emma a lot while reading her story, but being so nosy and meddling in other people's lives is something I wouldn't be able to bring myself to do. I may have been less enjoying myself while reading about Elinor, but I also understand many of her decisions since they're often what I would do.
I gravitate towards being a Catherine😍😅 By the way, you know there's also a BBC adaptation (2008) of Sense And Sensibility, right? It's a lot closer to the novel because it's a mini series. I strongly recommend it😉❤️
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All I know is that I have the social skills of Mr Darcy
So a Mary?
And none of his wealth 😢
..but what about the noble mien and tall, dark keen eyes, and that dark wavy hair?!
Same
Yeap. And Mrs Bennet sense of humour
"Are you Lizzie, Emma, Marianne or Elinor?" im a family disappointment
Nice one, some of us might sadly relate to that as well, so perhaps we're Lydias?!
@@trinaq lol WHERE MY LYDIAS AT?!?!
Ann Elliot's family don't approve of her much.
so a Lydia?
@@Visplight i love her!
I am Charlotte Lucas because I am twenty-one years old, I've no money and no prospects. I'm already a burden to my parents and I am frightened.
hahahahahaha girl, I'm 25 in th same position hahahaha don't dispair
You're 21, you're hardly an adult. I am sorry to hear you feel you're a burden to your parents. No one should feel that way ever.
Omg! Charlotte is the most relatable!!
Charlote was 27!!! 😂😂😂✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️
Same, but 35 - which is much worse, apparently.
I do like that she writes manly gentlemen that have patience, strength, character, and love in their hearts without being pushovers or domineering.
And a particularly lovely one who understands muslin!
@@DizzyBusy How does knowledge of muslin give advantage to a man?
Mr. Knightley is patronising and mr. Darcy is a douche, probably a narcissist.
Why aren't female characters written this well in most movies
Because the writers aren't usually female? And if they are, the directors and producers often aren't, so a lot of the nuance gets lost to appeal to the Male audience/ gaze.
men
As others have already pointed out, I’ve always related and loved female characters written by female writers than the ones written by male writers. Kind of odd.
@@sarahe1491 although tbf Austen is in the same league as Shakespeare, that is a very high standard for other writers...
Women know how to write women lol
I think the beauty of Jane Austen's heroines is how we can identify with different characteristics of all of them on different levels, even though we are all different people and so are the heroines. That's her genius. Her characters were all relatable in some way and taught us something beautiful about ourselves, but also our flaws, and that we don't have to be afraid of admitting them, and improving on them to become better people. All of them were my role models when I was a teenager and still are, and they heavily influenced who I became as a person. My best qualities I learned from them, and I'll always be grateful to Jane Austen for these masterpieces she created 200 years ago, that still resonate with us so much, and are so true to human nature, no matter what time we live in.
Beautiful point, I thought similar things: Aren't we all them and at the same time none of them really?
Lizzie:"You are the last man I would ever prevail upon to marry"
Mr.Darcy: *Thoughts* Why did she reject me? I just insulted her status, family and everything she cares about ?
Mr Darcy: Goes off to pine and think about what she said
Fitzwilliam "Clueless" Darcy
I'm a Mary, the Bennett sister that nobody gives a toss about. Mary is the less attractive and more socially awkward version of Elizabeth.
Also, I’m terrible at the piano, but I keep trying anyway 😂
SAME LOL
Please read “The Other Bennet Sister” by Janice Hallow. I am begging you
hahaha love this. YES when I saw the scene in the Keira Knightley movie where all the Bennett sisters are sitting together wearing pastels and Mary is in black not smiling I thought oh look there's me.
She was stupid did you read the book?
I’m probably not the main character of her book . I’m probably Mary from pride and prejudices
same
😂😂😂
Literally what I was thinking
Mary is such a sweet nerd. I love her.
Mary is super smart and talented ❤️
The thing is that Lizzy/Jane or Marianne/Elinor are just two sides of the same coin. Lizzy and Marianne are what a lot of women feel on the inside but Jane and Elinor are what we sometimes feel compelled to be for self preservation or safety’s sake.
I think it's more than just self preservation though, it is to do with being older and wiser, genuinely more aware of social realities. Elinor is the only one who appreciates their financial position, for example, while Jane understands someone like Darcy may have positive as well as negative pride, that Mr Collins is not the worst man anyone could ever marry (Wickham would be worse), that people can be kind as well as enjoy the schadenfreude etc. Jane voices a lot of Austens's commentary in PP.
Nah, I'm Jane/Elinor on the inside but feel like I have to be like Marianne/Lizzie and I'm just not.
@@kahkah1986 Part of it is also, as the video points out, that the eldest children shoulder some of the burdens the younger siblings don't have to, like getting married to save the family property. Lizzie. Emma, and Marianne definitely benefit from being younger siblings.
I was a full Marianne when I was younger but have learned over time to be more like Elinor.
I'm Anne, with my timidness, but I think I'm probably meaner than anne lols
I’d love a video on “Which Bronte Heroine Are You”.
Oh yes, that would be awesome!!!
Are you an Agnes, a Catherine, a Lucy, a Catherine, an Anne, a Catherine?
😅
@@Firegen1 what about Jane Eyre? She's my favorite
@@Firegen1 A Lucy probably...
@@leriava She ran away apparently. She was in my first edit but I think I accidently nixxed her. On the upside Jane is pretty much the only one most people have read/know of so it would be interesting to dive into all four writers more in depth
If only Austen had more books published, it would be such a lovely and extensive video.
You can always read her short stories. Lady Susan is one of her best. The protagonist is like an older, more malicious version of Emma.
Or if they’d spent maybe a little bit more time on Catherine and Fanny lol
@@speagle318 Maybe.
@@speagle318 Fanny is my favourite Austen heroine. Likely because she’s who I identify with the most. Lizzy and Emma get all the glory, but I wish we appreciated Fanny more.
They specifically focused on just three characters, but there are a lot more
For the Emma segment it confused the heckin heck out of me when they said “her mother is dead, and her older sister is married” and they showed Miss Taylor walking down the aisle I was like “That’s Not ISABELLA!”
Yeah same that threw me for a loop lmao
Poor miss Taylor indeed then!
I actually tend to forget Emma has a sister! And yes they showed the wrong character in the video.
@@amandaisabelle9077 Poor Isabella!
@@amandaisabelle9077 in Mr. Woodhouse's voice: POOR MISS TAYLOR!
I don't even need to watch to know that I'm Anne Elliot.
She's so underrated. I need a good adaptation!
There is one: the 1995 version with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds.
@@melenatorr It's a nice adaptation but not the best it could be, it lacks a lot of nuances of the book. I wish BBC would finally do a decent mini series of this novel.
There's another one from 2007 I think. With Sally Hawkins. But it's not really that good. I want one like the new Emma. Faithful to original and pretty to look at
@@thenewkhan4781 The 1971 version is a decent mini-series, if a little creaky. The 2007 version is godawful. My favourite is the 1995 version.
There’s a new version being filmed right now. The woman in Succession will be Anne. I’m not sure who is Capt Wentworth
I love that many Hollywood films take inspiration from Austen's works, and even have updated versions. "Clueless" is a 90's Valley Girl version of "Emma", while "Bridget Jones' Diary" is essentially "Pride and Prejudice", with Mr Darcy himself playing unlikely hero Mark Darcy! ♥️
That would be so cool if you had named the others!
From prada to nada is a modern version of Sense and sensibility as well :)
As much as I *love* Colin Firth in that movie, I will never forgive whomever thought it was a good idea to convert one of the greatest works of wit into an awkward British 00's cringe comedy.
Except Bridget seemed to lack Elizabeth's brains
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Not really her brains, I just think she really fucks up when she's nervous.
Brought you timestamps
2:04 Lizzie (Pride and predjudice)
5:52 Emma (Emma)
11:00 Marianne (Sense and sensitivity)
15:40 Elinor (S&s) and Jane (P&p)
18:00 Anne (Persuasion)
20:39 Catherine (Northanger abbey)
21:36 Fanny (Mansfield park)
I'm an Elinor who really wants to be a Lizzie.
Same here :(
Same! 😂
Same
Omg I literally said that as I clicked on the video 😂😂
I'm a Marianne who wishes she was an Elinor!
I thought I was a Lizzie, but Myers-Briggs told me I'm actually a Mr. Darcy. Close enough.
Another INTJ? If I’m not mistaken, that’s thought to be Austen’s own MBTI type.
@@laurendavis7337 Yup! :) I'm in good company!
INTJ here too! We should start a club
Lizzie is an ENFP, and there are a lot of similarities in the way INTJs and ENFPs think.
@@cynthiapereira8403 My boyfriend of six years is an ENFP, how funny
I read all of Austen once a year. She was so far ahead of her time and her ability to capture human nature in her characters was amazing. Witty, intelligent, but still so light hearted at times. Although I skip the beginning of Sense and Sensibility because their brother and his wife are the worst.
“I declare after all there is no enjoyment like reading! How much sooner one tires of any thing than of a book! -- When I have a house of my own, I shall be miserable if I have not an excellent library.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
She's definitely one of my favourite authors. Austen was witty and articulate, a woman well ahead of her time! ♥️
@bluegreenplanet89 Caroline's bitchiness is impressive
"The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid."
Caroline Bingley said that
This comment is a year old, but I love that Miss Bingley says this but has no true interest in reading. She says it only to impress Mr. Darcy who had commented on Lizzie’s enjoyment of reading. Miss Bingley was the OG pick me girl
I was an Emma in my teen years then slowly morphed into Lizzie in my 20s. Who knows which one I’m gonna become next probably Mrs. Bennet
Everyone wants to be Lizzie, just admits it. She holds all quality of the satirical traits of an " independent woman" media so obsessed about. Culture mistakes intelligent for value, so that is why intellectual meets their doom of vanity.
What do you mean mistakes intelligence for value? Intelligence is valuable- as well as the other traits deemed as responsible or sensible or caring but if a woman is smart they can tend to be mistreated. I think people like Lizzie because she gets to be intelligent and undaunted about it.
Also, what do you mean by "satirical" traits of an independent woman.
Also, I realize after I type these out they I sound like I'm arguing but ai actually genuinely want to know what you think. :)
No, i want to be a Jane Bennet or Elinor.
@@schwester6523 Elinor. 🍀
"as logical as you consider yourself you are invested in a true romantic love an won't settle for less" yup I am definitely a Lizzy looking for a kind man
Same 😂
Persuasion is my favorite book by Jane Austin. Anne is such an amazing protagonist and Captain Wentworth is equally brilliant!!
Jennifer Ehle's Lizzie Bennet is all I have ever wanted to be. I am not. That.
I always forget how absolutely hilarious Catherine Moreland is and also Northanger Abbey in general
Ikr
I actually love Fanny. She is one of my favorite characters. She is so brave in a quiet way. I think she is very underrated
It´s a pity she is such a bore.
I love her with all my heart
I’m Emma but I don’t think I’m clueless 😂
Neither did Emma ;)
If you are an Emma you´ll obviously think that
You’re def Emma
Same
Diane!!!
None of these. I'm Anne, of Persuasion, with a little of Lizzie's wit and perhaps Lydia's foolishness, and Mary's well-developed capacity for being a bore
I'd argue that Mary wasn't the bore. She was such a plain yet intresting silent protagonist.
I always think Fanny Price is Mary Bennet's side of the story, and Mary Crawford is how she sees Elizabeth, energetic but a bit amoral.
Mary was only boring to other people, but she thought herself very interesting, and stayed true to herself and that's what counts :)
@@kahkah1986 That's an interesting opinion on Elizabeth. How is she amoral? (Genuinely curious)
@@MsDonttrythisathome well, if you were an outsider, like Fanny is, you could point out how Lizzie only falls in love with Mr Darcy when she realises how wealthy he is, she even jokes about his beautiful grounds. Before that she flirted with Wickham, a man she had no real intention of marrying because they were both poor, as she does to a certain extent with Colonel Fitzwilliam. Her definition of a 'marrying very well' to Jane is jokey, but it is financial, as much as it is emotional. Later, she gets upset about Lydia running away and ruining her reputation, and she is pleased when Darcy gets Lydia married off, despite everything she knows about Wickham and the way he has slept with everyone in her village, because of how it now looks to the outside world - that's the only marriage Lydia could make for the foreseeable future. Right or wrong is not the crux of the story, it is hushing up the scandal - Lizzie is not supposed to be read as entirely without a moral compass, but a less sympathetic novel that didn't follow Lizzie's thoughts would show her pragmatism more clearly. In the same way, Mary Crawford is worried about public scandal, not what's really happening or how people really feel hurt by immorality. Like Mary Crawford, Lizzie's sexual attractiveness gives her power that is disproportionate to her social standing. Men like Darcy ignore grumpy old Lady Catherine and her stuffy views, but he is literally bewitched by Lizzie's fine eyes.
PP is funny because there is that unsubtle contrast between Lizzie, who at the start of the novel appears very egalitarian and trusting of Wickham over the wealthy Darcy, but by the end is pretty much siding with Darcy that her family is an embarrassment and sophisticated people are the only way to go. Darcy's love for her on the other hand is transgressive because it is based on physical and emotional needs, rather than pure logic, they drive him to be more egalitarian and to be more radical in rejecting the expectations for him to ignore these feelings and marry wealth. Literally, they balance each other out so much that society doesn't change by their bending of the rules; their marriage is a weird nonrevolutionary revolution. Lizzie's choices therefore do work in the context of the novel, which is relaxed about wealth generally, whilst encouraging the removal of unnecessary social boundaries around love and marriage but *only for people like Lizzie who have proved by their sexiness and pizzazz to deserve it*, while MP brings up uncomfortable realities of that kind of attitude, really everyone should have some rights. MP looks at slavery, the boundaries of marriage, class etc. as examples of worrying trends in institutions, and in Mary's case the limits to the power bewitching sexiness can give you if other people still judge you.
I was worried you were gonna sleep on the less 'popular' heroines when all your focus seemed to be on Austen's IT girls lol Thankfully, you didn't let me down. I'm a total Eleanor with a touch of Fanny in there
FANNY IS A QUEEN AND SHE'S UNDERRATED
Me, realizing I'm a Marianne: It's fine i just need to stand out in the rain in my feelings for a bit
Same girl, same❤
I’m a self proclaimed Lizzie but I do resonate with Marianne’s passion for creative expression but also Elinor’s willingness to sacrifice showing her feelings for the sake of someone she cares about
I wish there was a really awesome film of Mansfield Park. It's so overlooked!
Me too! I feel like there hasn't been a good adaption done yet.
Persuasion, Northanger Abbey, and Mansfield Park are all underrated!
Even though I’m a girl I always saw myself a bit in Lizzie’s father Mr. Bennet. Both he and I are optimists and love to spend alone time in the library also I’m always stuck with my head above the clouds and need a reality check every now and then 😂 who else can relate?
I've got some of his absurdity.
I can relate with that, lol.
ask my tax advisor😀
I'm some kind of a philosopher myself 😅
I am Anne. It's sad how much I have been used by others. This is why I married my husband. He pushes me to stand up for myself.
I’m tired of people not understanding Emma. Privilege was the world she lived in and she was EXPECTED to behave as higher than others.
I’m glad they mentioned her self-sufficiency but they completely forgot her two most important qualities: her imagination and feelings of loneliness.
Emma is the woman who seemingly has everything she could ever want but really just wants intellectual stimulation, which she really only receives from Mr. Knightly. She’s stuck in a situation where she has no outlets for her intellect and it makes her lonely and imaginative.
Her imagination running away with her and she almost lives her day dreams. Those who get stuck in their own daydreams, thoughts, and planning are Emmas.
If you’ve ever caught yourself imagining what you’d say or do in a social situation (confessing to a crush or having a crush confess to you) then you know what it’s like to be an Emma.
I have a feeling Jane Austen would be quite disappointed at most of the female characters on TV and film today.
For real!
It's so great to see a take here about Jane Austen heroines, I love her books!
"It was every day implied, but never declared"
Perhaps I *will* read that book, in a decade or so
Can we get a “You Know it’s a Guillermo Del Toro Film If”
It’d be interesting to see you take on his work
i see myself so much in elizabeth bennett, when i was a kid i always had the feelings lizzie is gonna be my future self,, now im just patiently waiting for mr.darcy to come out. btw jane austen was such a talented writer!!
I'm Fanny Price.
Good for you. She's a quiet badass.
Me too! She’s my favourite Austen heroine. I love her quiet strength and resilience. Emma and Lizzy get all the glory, and I wish that we’d give Fanny (and Catherine) a bit more love.
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We all need to be Miss.Steeles, she went where the money resides and that makes sense when your life expectancy is 42
And with no other sacrifice than that of time and conscience!
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The Miss Steeles are hilarious!
Thank you for including the full spectrum of Austen heroines, especially Fanny, Catherine and Anne! I was scared this would be the usual re-tread of Emma, Lizzie… But Austen's understanding of female insight is broader, complex, and even includes insight of flaws, and the video gets to demonstrates this. Glad I looked past the (understandably) clickbait title!
If you’re a Marianne, your “ideal partner” is old enough to be your father and he marries you because you remind him of his dead childhood sweetheart, but it would be too weird to just marry her daughter, who happens to have shared the same former lover as you. 🙃
If you’re an Emma, your “ideal partner” is sixteen years older than you, started to fall in love with you when you were thirteen, and has been teaching you how to behave for all of your adolescence and early adulthood 🙃
If you’re a Lizzie, your “ideal partner” is everyone’s ideal partner, so get ready for some competition
If you're an Anne, you only ever had one "ideal partner" but as you broke up with them, they will revenge flirt with your younger relatives and then angrily insist they only ever cared about you the moment you manage to get yourself another boyfriend...
If you're a Catherine, your "ideal partner" is not so much your intellectual superior as your intellectual know-it-all. Fortunately, they find the time to give you plenty of lectures. How would you survive without their untiring instruction?
If you're an Elinor, don't expect your "ideal partner" to inform you he is engaged to someone else. Or indeed break up with that someone else. Only extreme carelessness on the part of other relatives will allow you to get a whisper of a look in there. And even then, will he keep you informed of these surprise developments? Barely.
If you're a Fanny, your "ideal partner" is your cousin.
George Martin ftw 🙌 🥰
I’m definitely a Marianne, especially when I was younger. How my poor, young heart suffered for love.
Sometimes I feel like I'm an Emma, especially after watching the latest adaptation! But whenever I watch the miniseries of Pride & Prejudice and reread the book, I think I'm a Lizzie, for her quick conclusions, her resolution that her opinion is right, her particular humor, her ability to move well within society and keep up manners, and her need to understand someone before she accepts she might have been wrong.
Love all of the heroines and heroes of Austen
Just an Emma trying to be a Lizzie here. 😂
I am an Emma as well, but I am okah to be Emma😅.
Couldn't relate more 😂
I think I'm a Mr Darcy.
You'll find your Lizzie :)
@@falconeshield Haha I hope so.
I am totally, unmistakably and undeniably a Marianne 😂😂😂 oh dear, the similarities are uncanny!!
Who everybody wants to be: Lizzie
Who everybody really is: Mary
This video makes me want to get into Austen's books. I read Pride and Prejudice in college, but, like a lot of things I read in college, I felt I didn't enjoy it since we had to keep up with a pretty brisk schedule, and I prefer to read at a pretty casual pace. Everything I hear from folks about Austen's work makes me think that I'd really enjoy them now they I can read them on my own time.
You will definitely love them. I re-read all of Austen’s books every year! The language, the characters the wit come together to make perfection. 😄
And I'm here like...Um, what about Fanny Price? Catherine Moreland? Mansfield Park does not get enough love!
As a Brit, asking "Are you a Fanny?" doesn't quite have the same ring to it 😂
Sense and Sensibility (1811) - Marianne and Elinor
Pride and Prejudice (1813) - Jane, Elizabeth, Mary, Kitty, and Lydia
Mansfield Park (1814) - Fanny
Emma (1815) - Emma
Northanger Abbey (1818, posthumous) - Catherine
Persuasion (1818, posthumous) - Anne
Lady Susan (1871, posthumous) - Susan
Mainly and naturally a Marianne, but as I’ve gotten older have had learn to add a dash of Elinor and Lizzy into the mix to avoid getting into trouble/heart broken.
They've been using Austen clips for months it was only a matter of time before this video came out and I'm so happy....
The director of the Kiera Knightley version said that he didn't like Pride and Prejudice, and it shows.
Why
Why would you direct a movie based on a book you hate? And yes, it definitely shows!
Persuasion is my most favorite novel of JA. Although all of them are wonderful, there's just something good about loving the longest.
I already know I'm Anne from Persuasion.
I used to believe that I was Lizzie, but I'm definitely Emma with shades of Catherine (northanger abbey)
That's the same as me!
As a teenager, Marianne. As an adult Elinor and Lizzie in equal measures depending on the day.
"Are you Lizzie, Emma or Marianne" I am Fanny Price.
Trust me, in a household that has nothing but resentment and negativity, kindness and the ability to shut your feelings off is the best move to make. I know this makes me sound like an Elinor but its for the best
I'm definitely more of a Catherine. I have a very overactive imagination and I can jump to conclusions but don't really mean anything by it. I'm creative and definitely have a clever mind even if i should think critically more.
Same! I love Catherine!
I'm on my way to being Miss Havisham, but that's entirely the wrong author...
pleaseee! tell me about it XD
Oh dear. I will call the maid to clean out the wedding cake 🥺
I feel like pip
I'm a mix of Elinor and Anne. I never really thought of Fanny but maybe I'm a little of her too
After 2020, I am most definitely a CHARLOTTE.
I’m a Lizzie with some Catherine. I also haven’t read Persuasion, but I will now! Anne’s description in this video is so compelling.
Wow
Even the Take didn't dwell long on Fanny. Way to add insult to injury
Perfect video!💖
Am I the only one who snorted in laughter at, "Are you a Fanny?"
Well, I'm definitely Fanny and this is the first time I hear about her
Just realized I commented a spoiler sorry!! Nvm lol
@@i.am.10vely Yeah, and it still shows previous version in my notifications x) Don't worry I don't have one!
I feel I have traits from all of them, or at least some of them were stronger at different times of my life. That's the beauty of Jane Austen, she wrote heroines that all women could feel identified with. She was a true feminist. Imagine reading this back when it came out, seeing yourself and feeling acceptance, how powerful!
I just greatly appreciate that Jane Austen was writing such wonderful, nuanced, intelligent, deep and flawed heroines. Austen heroines are REAL in a way that few others are, especially those written so long ago. She had such respect for women, for our intelligence and emotions. How many romantic heroines could claim to be as intelligent and fleshed out as those written by Austen?
She was writing strong female characters well before the term existed. And well before feminism existed. She was extraordinary. I wish we had more Jane Austens in the world. We’d certainly have much better female characters!
As for me, I’m a Fanny. (Heh, can’t help myself). I think she’s one of the least appreciated Austen heroines. I admire her quiet strength and resilience through hardship.
Would you have thought Lady Russell's advice to Anne Elliott had been so bad had Frederick Wentworth's first ship gone down, as he said it might well have done?
Perhaps Anne should have ignored the good advice simply because the reward was worth the risk?
Lizzie Bennet realises just as Charlotte Lucas does that she is nor free to marry without forutne...don't think anywhere in the novel does it suggest she is happy to leave that responsibility to Jane, she is simply not prepared to marry without love and would be appalled if Jane did so, as she is when Charlotte does.
Other than the part about being rich, I'm Emma.
I am unquestionably a Katherine Morland, which is why Northanger Abbey is my favorite Austen novel.
Same here! Katherine is so underrated, yet she is so unique!
Is anyone just one of these characters? I think we all have a little of each in us.
I'm a Marianne, I live with my heart and at least now, I know, to listen to my head sometimes to avoid future heartache.
BBC's 2007 adaptation of Persuasion is my all time favourite Austen movie. I'm so glad that you included clips of this version in this video
I am a Kitty Bennett a character so inconsequential the Lizzy Bennett diarys replaced her with an actual cat
I feel like most of the lesser known Austen girls. Getting overlooked like Fanny, Anne, and Elinor; being naive like Cathy, that’s pretty much my life so far. I love Lizzie to pieces and Pride and Prejudice got me through some rough times. I feel like there’s some Lizzy buried inside me that’s just waiting to bust out, but I have no clue how to open that door. I guess that’s why I love Jane Austen as much as I do. She definitely knew her shit!
I’m an Emma Sun with a Catherine rising 😌
I finally know how to respond when someone asks me for my astrological sign bc this is way more accurate 😂
I always related to Jane Bennet more than anyone else. Sweet, loving, and thinks the best of people while still having good judgement when called for.
Lol, I'm a Jane, Anne, and Fanny. Guess my older sister was right when she said I'm like Jane while she's a Lizzie.
Was a Marianne in my adolescent years, Elinor in my teens, Lizzie in my 20s, Fanny in my 30s. In short I'm a Gemini.
Getting sick and tired of watching The Take to learn about different films and tv shows, but getting relentlessly attacked instead 🙃
Was waiting for this video!
Hears two character descriptions
Me: ha, they’re nothing like me. They can’t find someone like me.
Video describes Maryanne
Me: Fuck, that’s ME and everyone I’ve ever dated 🤯
persuasion is my absolute fave but gOd am i relieved that the elinor/jane type is more relatable personally
Half Catherine, half Lizzy... head in the clouds but impulsive, perceptive but snappy 😅
Hard same! My first impressions are always proven to be correct, but I will second guess them to death with totally made up scenarios anyway 😅
Ahhh Persuasion is my absolute favorite, I love Anne 💕
I may be a mash between Emma and Elinor.
I related to Emma a lot while reading her story, but being so nosy and meddling in other people's lives is something I wouldn't be able to bring myself to do.
I may have been less enjoying myself while reading about Elinor, but I also understand many of her decisions since they're often what I would do.
I LOVE this Take on literary classic characters! Please do more!
I gravitate towards being a Catherine😍😅
By the way, you know there's also a BBC adaptation (2008) of Sense And Sensibility, right? It's a lot closer to the novel because it's a mini series. I strongly recommend it😉❤️
I'm a Kitty, the youngest of the family everyone loves. Sometimes I feel I get forgotten.
I'm sorry, but every time I see the new Emma and her little ringlets, all I can think of is ramen noodles.