Richard has gone mad with power now that they're in paper. He's really committing to his theorycrafting from the podcast - playing combos, playing Armageddon. Love it
I really enjoyed playing against Richard's bird deck (and Phil's Tireless Tracker proxy deck ;) ). He manages to build decks that are both a danger to everyone at the table yet fun and unassuming.
Poor Crim being accused of stax when he was just helping the table jam more games with some classic burn. Loved watching the Ojer deck, such a fun commander to have at the table.
7:10 "this isn't burn because it reminds me of another burn deck." You'd think someone who loves blood moon as much as Seth would know what a stax piece is.
Stax slows down/locks the game so it can take people off their game plan and deploy its own. Fast burn is the exact opposite. You still don’t get to deploy your game plan, but that’s because you died, not anything to do with getting locked or disrupted.
I thought this was going to be an actual rule break. Like crim can play as many doomblades as he wants and richard can play 20 spirited companions lol. I really want this now.
I pointed the Seedborn Muse out to him during the game but thought the Sphinx was a 3-drop because I don't see it as often. Oh well, didn't end up mattering.
Can we get a special episode with the rule “everyone starts with a Panharmonicon emblem”? I would love to see whacky rulesets now that you’re playing in paper.
@@PalPlays Might as well make it a rule that says "Players cant win from combat damage, this includes commander damage" aka tell me that you're playing cEDH without telling me that you are playing cEDH.
@kobisjeruk That no combat damage rule is not at all the same as starting with 10000 life. With 10K life, I would aim to win with combat damage and no infinite combo. Good synergy decks can easily exceed 10K power, by a LOT. My Thromak deck by around turn 7 got over 1 with 40 zeros power. You just need some way to multiply, like doubling effects.
you guys are actually the best group of 4 ive ever seen super funny and interesting new decks every time, everyone knows what theyre doing and i love the 3-2-1 clash on! 😂
Petition to have the arena emotes printed out on paper attached to popsicle sticks so you can periodically slide them into view from the bottom of your playing area to fully emulate the online experience.
I don't know if these decks were especially high powered or if everyone stuck to the theme so much that no one really had much interaction so everyone just sort of goldfished into their thing.
I built an Ojer Axonil Brawl deck as soon as the card was spoiled. Roiling Vortex has been the all-star whenever it comes down. It's great to see Crim enjoying the card so much.
I have a Nethroi rat colony deck and I love it! Theres several cards that can only be played in that deck that are useless otherwise. Rememberance gets more rat colonies out of the deck when one dies. And Bloodbond March gets every rat colony out of the grave onto the battlefield whenever anyone plays a rat colony!
These are the fastest commander games I have ever seen lol. Great video! Gotta say I liked crims deck the most. It reminds me of my nitro deck I built to stop actual stax and pillowfort decks from making every game take 6 hours lol.
*looks at video length*, huh this is a pretty quick game Crim: *plays roiling regrowth into descent into avernus* Oh okay that makes sense Edit: HOLY SHIT IT WAS 3 GAMES NOT ONE
Crim's Ojer deck is so sweet I have a lot of those cards but I never thought I could play the villain. Its got exactly the troll "I'm here for a good time" mentality.
9:18 what does he change test of talents target to? It doesnt seem like there are any other legal targets since counterspells cant target themselves. Am i missing something here?
How does Deflecting Swat works on Test of Talents? Isn't Slime Against Humanity the only valid target? Or can you counter Test of Talents with the same Test of Talents once it's already on the stack? Or did you make it target Deflecting Swat which made it fizzle? (by the time Test of Talents resolves, Deflecting Swat is no longer on the stack)
@@jamesdavis5081 And since Deflecting Swat has already resolved by the time Test of Talents try to counter it, it fizzles and you don't get to search the other person's library
I love Crim but he seems like the type you tell we're doing mill this week and he's gonna put eldrazi or gaeas blessing in his deck to meta game his friends.
It could be interesting to see how functional you could make pauper commander decks. Especially since there are only 12 common legendary creatures, and they're all terrible.
I readed "breaking the card limit" and expected that they were either adding a "no hand size" rule or adding Yorion as companion or running battle of wits
Group: We’re gonna play gimmicky decks built around no limit cards Crim: you said mono-red burn stax? Group: NO! Weird, gimmicky decks! Crim: Gotcha! Burn stax it is!
@@josephwodarczyk977 don't get me wrong I want way more rules zero games now that they're in paper, but I don't think you can make four distinctive with that gimmick.
Those were some fun games! The Invasion land arts are some the of the best in my opinion and foils are chefs kiss. The editor has some mad skills but I kind of feel like it's being overly edited at times to the point it's a little dizzying/distracting.
How did Crim's Deflecting Swat redirect Richard's Test of Talents? Once the DS resolves, I do not see any other valid targets? Can DS somehow redirect the ToT against the DS itself?
The dynamic has changed. Richard, having seen Tomer play combos, has decided that combos are dope, actually, what if his deck just revolved around combos that either end the game one way or another? He either wins, or basically immediately kneecaps himself and doesn't have to care after that. Meanwhile, Crim has decided he's clearly tired of games that last too long, and has thus EMBRACED MAXIMUM VIOLENCE. I assume he has the DOOM 2016 soundtrack playing in the background, the editor just had to cut it out.
How does the deflecting swat on test of talents work to stop Richards plan? The only target for test of talents was slime so deflecting swat shouldn't do anything. What did I miss?
Deflecting Swat can redirect Test of Talents to Deflecting Swat, which is a legal target for it, then Deflecting Swat leaves the stack and Test of Talents is left with an illegal target and fizzles doing nothing
What happened to Crim is exactly why I took apart my mono-red burn deck. It never won because everyone killed me first just since they didn't like taking damage from spells/enchantments. (Even though they seemed fine taking damage from each others' creatures and infinite combos.) Red causing irrational rage is a bit flavorful, at least.
Decent into avernus enabling accent from avernus was super flavorful
Lol “decent into avernus” is such a funny typo
@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai So is "accent from avernus." sounds like an un-card that makes you talk in a funny voice
Richard has gone mad with power now that they're in paper. He's really committing to his theorycrafting from the podcast - playing combos, playing Armageddon. Love it
goooood yes
I haven't listened to the podcast, what was he theory crafting?
Commanders that resolve and win 🤔 all in. Once in a while is ok, not sure how I feel about it back to back to back though.
@@michaelburt9888 Haha alright, ive def noticed some turbo combo decks but I haven't been following the season that closely :) thanks
I really enjoyed playing against Richard's bird deck (and Phil's Tireless Tracker proxy deck ;) ). He manages to build decks that are both a danger to everyone at the table yet fun and unassuming.
I love crim’s “is the stax deck in the room with us right now” remark. He’s hilarious
i know it’s a bit but it would drive me insane lmao
Poor Crim being accused of stax when he was just helping the table jam more games with some classic burn. Loved watching the Ojer deck, such a fun commander to have at the table.
Crazy take just seems like it shuts everyone out super fast no time to show off the cool decks
3 games in 39 minutes. That's really fast
And this episode was incredibly entertaining.
Yeah normally I would've been disappointed, but we got to see everyone pop off to some degree (and it was hilarious)
if you think about it, Grizzly Bears is a stax piece because it lowers your life total until you can't play cards anymore
I love every time Crim is on mono-red. This is burn in EDH. Being here for a good time not a long time. Love seeing it
Milling anger was iconic lmao
Edit: I've been convinced to make a burn deck for my playgroup 😈
As a Torbran main from day 1, feel the bern
Richard has caught the Cascade fever.
Cascade and Discover have become some of my favorite mechanics
7:10 "this isn't burn because it reminds me of another burn deck." You'd think someone who loves blood moon as much as Seth would know what a stax piece is.
Stax slows down/locks the game so it can take people off their game plan and deploy its own. Fast burn is the exact opposite. You still don’t get to deploy your game plan, but that’s because you died, not anything to do with getting locked or disrupted.
I LOVE that we got to see both the Descend into Avernus AND the Ascent AND the ascent did come right at the end of the game :D the flavor win
I thought this was going to be an actual rule break. Like crim can play as many doomblades as he wants and richard can play 20 spirited companions lol. I really want this now.
Same. I was a bit disappointed that no rule breaking was taking place since that's one of the benefits of playing in paper.
I thought they were removing the maximum deck size and making Battle of Wits and Yorion decks.
Same, petition for a non-singleton EDH match of some form!
Crim gave everyone treasures. It's clearly a group hug deck, not a stax deck.
Would it be more group slug?
Milling a dudes Anger is hilarious
Classic mill problem :D
Mill 1 too...
Poor Seth (probably better known as SaffronOlive), the only one who didn't manage a win.
Hopefully we'll see his Petitioners in Revenge Week!
That spite mill for 1...
Milling an ANGER!! 😂😂😂
Love that Seth noticed he underpaid for the Seedborn Muse with the Avernus play but then clearly still puts the Sphinx into play. :)
I pointed the Seedborn Muse out to him during the game but thought the Sphinx was a 3-drop because I don't see it as often. Oh well, didn't end up mattering.
Seth in 2024: is this stax? Absolutely hilarious! Love these guys
seth calling burn stax is my personal hell
words have meanings
I loved when Crim cast all those dragons approach cards across both games. 😂
3 games in less then 40 min😂😂😂 amazing I love it! Such goofy decks too!
absolutely love this episode. fast and crazy games with a wonderful amount of friendly banter. 10/10
Crim's deck is making my red little heart absolutely sing with joy. ❤🔥
"Descent into avernus is a group hug card" is the hot take I wasn't expecting and yet is hilariously true.
Absolutely love the transition to playing paper magic on the channel ❤❤❤
Can we get a special episode with the rule “everyone starts with a Panharmonicon emblem”? I would love to see whacky rulesets now that you’re playing in paper.
"Everyone starts at 10000 life" would be interesting. Infect/ mill/alt wincons/commander damage/combo week.
i am down for them to play some games with giving everyone a certain emblem to start, could be really fun.
@@PalPlays Might as well make it a rule that says "Players cant win from combat damage, this includes commander damage" aka tell me that you're playing cEDH without telling me that you are playing cEDH.
@@kobisjeruk Starting at 10000 life does mean that things that let you pay life for value (black market connections, etc) would be a lot better.
@kobisjeruk That no combat damage rule is not at all the same as starting with 10000 life. With 10K life, I would aim to win with combat damage and no infinite combo. Good synergy decks can easily exceed 10K power, by a LOT.
My Thromak deck by around turn 7 got over 1 with 40 zeros power. You just need some way to multiply, like doubling effects.
you guys are actually the best group of 4 ive ever seen super funny and interesting new decks every time, everyone knows what theyre doing and i love the 3-2-1 clash on! 😂
Petition to have the arena emotes printed out on paper attached to popsicle sticks so you can periodically slide them into view from the bottom of your playing area to fully emulate the online experience.
lol mtgo didn’t have emotes
BONUS GAME!!🎉
I can’t believe Seth is still calling it “Axolon”
IS THAT AN ARMAGEDDON!?!
This was a GREAT episode. Ton of fun to watch
Excellent video! Loved seeing the fast paced games!
Seth getting closer to the mic to say "STAX" really make me laugh
These last few weeks have had an incredibly high power level compared to what we're used to seeing.
I don't know if these decks were especially high powered or if everyone stuck to the theme so much that no one really had much interaction so everyone just sort of goldfished into their thing.
"Is the stax deck in the room with us right now?" 😂😂😂
28:36 It is the same frame, it's just super dark for some reason, but it varied back in the day as well (though not that dark).
for what looked like jank, those were some haymakers being throw around
This episode was outstanding. CLASH ON!
I don't really understand Crim's play with [Deflective Swat] at 9:10, can someone kindly explain?
he used deflecting swat to change the target of the counterspell to deflecting swat, which resolves before the counterspell, making it fizzle.
I built an Ojer Axonil Brawl deck as soon as the card was spoiled. Roiling Vortex has been the all-star whenever it comes down. It's great to see Crim enjoying the card so much.
I have a Nethroi rat colony deck and I love it! Theres several cards that can only be played in that deck that are useless otherwise. Rememberance gets more rat colonies out of the deck when one dies. And Bloodbond March gets every rat colony out of the grave onto the battlefield whenever anyone plays a rat colony!
I must provide engagement and praise Richard's deck!
Want to build that deck card by card (minus the land destruction >:/ ).
Crim is the best magic personality lol love how he builds and plays.
These are the fastest commander games I have ever seen lol. Great video! Gotta say I liked crims deck the most. It reminds me of my nitro deck I built to stop actual stax and pillowfort decks from making every game take 6 hours lol.
Still a big fan of live action play! Keep up the good work guys!
0:20 Phil!! Dang it! 😂 you didn't go for the rat pun? Rats go? Shame😅 but still this will be a good game I hope
Wait... Crim's deck is more about Ojer Axonil than Approach of the dragons. I call shenanigans!
This was the funniest thing ive seen in a while.
Shout outs to the burn players
Great game guys!
That said, Burn is not STAX. You can still do the thing, it will just hurt 😂
nice to see this after the brewer's kitchen episode on these cards
Crim’s deck reminds me of my Solphim deck and I am totally here for it.
Going to have to play my mono-red deck now after watching Crim set the world on fire.
This was awesome! Y’all should do this more!
Damn, just saw that Crim had Mana Barbs in his decklist. That's just a nasty combo.
What, taking 4 damage for 1 mana? What’s wrong with that 😂
*looks at video length*, huh this is a pretty quick game
Crim: *plays roiling regrowth into descent into avernus*
Oh okay that makes sense
Edit: HOLY SHIT IT WAS 3 GAMES NOT ONE
Crim's Ojer deck is so sweet I have a lot of those cards but I never thought I could play the villain. Its got exactly the troll "I'm here for a good time" mentality.
9:18 what does he change test of talents target to? It doesnt seem like there are any other legal targets since counterspells cant target themselves. Am i missing something here?
How does Deflecting Swat works on Test of Talents? Isn't Slime Against Humanity the only valid target? Or can you counter Test of Talents with the same Test of Talents once it's already on the stack?
Or did you make it target Deflecting Swat which made it fizzle? (by the time Test of Talents resolves, Deflecting Swat is no longer on the stack)
Yep you have it target the Deflecting Swat. The same trick works with Imp's Mischief.
@@jamesdavis5081 And since Deflecting Swat has already resolved by the time Test of Talents try to counter it, it fizzles and you don't get to search the other person's library
These games are freaking amazing! 2 games in 1 hour! I know it is edited but still these are much faster than before.
3 games in under 40 min, that's gotta be a record
I mean, Crim just played an Ojer deck. What Dragon’s Approach?
I love Crim but he seems like the type you tell we're doing mill this week and he's gonna put eldrazi or gaeas blessing in his deck to meta game his friends.
3 games in one?? this is a great ep! lots of fun stuff goin on.
Fun to see Ojer in the game! I also built it but i havent played with it yet. Took out the Avernus because it gives mana to others, tho :D
That was a great episode. lt must have just been a running joke to annoy crim, but I agree with him it's not stax 😅.
I love the switch from MTGO!!! Its so nice to be able to seamlessly have a game (or 3)
It could be interesting to see how functional you could make pauper commander decks. Especially since there are only 12 common legendary creatures, and they're all terrible.
These games were great. The format switch to paper has been overall a great choice. Keep it up dudes. 👍🏻
I readed "breaking the card limit" and expected that they were either adding a "no hand size" rule or adding Yorion as companion or running battle of wits
Lmao yeah my brain went to battle of wits :D
THAT WAS SO COOL I love ojer and seeing descent twice was awesome LOL
this was the perfect week for Hedron Alignment
You managed to put the same description under the video as last week. Pretty sure that´s an accident, but it still fits incredible well.
Woe I didn't expect these types of games but they were pretty enjoyable
Surprised none of the lists are running locket of yesterdays
Boy, the crew really liked the Surveil lands!
Group: We’re gonna play gimmicky decks built around no limit cards
Crim: you said mono-red burn stax?
Group: NO! Weird, gimmicky decks!
Crim: Gotcha! Burn stax it is!
At 16:42 the descent into avernus should not have been able to return the sphinx of the chimes, which is a 6 drop
gotta love Richard's dedication to decks that would get you banned from your LGS
I thought this was gonna be house rule 100+. Glad it wasn't.
Blasphemy!
@@josephwodarczyk977 don't get me wrong I want way more rules zero games now that they're in paper, but I don't think you can make four distinctive with that gimmick.
I swear Crim looks like he walked out of a manga when he yelled "RICHARD ITS THAT TIME AGAIN!"
Those were some fun games!
The Invasion land arts are some the of the best in my opinion and foils are chefs kiss.
The editor has some mad skills but I kind of feel like it's being overly edited at times to the point it's a little dizzying/distracting.
I would have loved to see someone play my Shadow born Apostle Deck with Shuri, Shizo's Caretaker as the commander
How did Crim's Deflecting Swat redirect Richard's Test of Talents?
Once the DS resolves, I do not see any other valid targets?
Can DS somehow redirect the ToT against the DS itself?
This is my favorite episode this season
Great episode
The dynamic has changed.
Richard, having seen Tomer play combos, has decided that combos are dope, actually, what if his deck just revolved around combos that either end the game one way or another? He either wins, or basically immediately kneecaps himself and doesn't have to care after that.
Meanwhile, Crim has decided he's clearly tired of games that last too long, and has thus EMBRACED MAXIMUM VIOLENCE. I assume he has the DOOM 2016 soundtrack playing in the background, the editor just had to cut it out.
Crim: Breathes
Seth: Wouldn't that make you a stacks player
BURN IN COMMANDER! HELL YEAH!
How does the deflecting swat on test of talents work to stop Richards plan? The only target for test of talents was slime so deflecting swat shouldn't do anything. What did I miss?
Deflecting Swat can redirect Test of Talents to Deflecting Swat, which is a legal target for it, then Deflecting Swat leaves the stack and Test of Talents is left with an illegal target and fizzles doing nothing
I believe Crim redirected test of talents to deflecting swat so deflecting swat got countered instead of Richard's spell.
I was wondering too, I *think* deflecting swat swaps test of talents to target swat and then swat resolves, test of talents fizzles.
@@Niuttuc spicy, didn't know that. Thanks!
What happened to Crim is exactly why I took apart my mono-red burn deck. It never won because everyone killed me first just since they didn't like taking damage from spells/enchantments. (Even though they seemed fine taking damage from each others' creatures and infinite combos.) Red causing irrational rage is a bit flavorful, at least.
When did Richard turn into Tomer-AKA-mr-kikijiki-2-card-comboer?
Is that how Deflecting Swat works?? What did he change the target of the counterspell to?
8:54 Wouldn't the free cast damage from roiling vortex be equalized to 4 damage due to the commander as well? At least that is how it works in arena.
Ojer Axonil specifies only affecting effects that would deal damage less than his power
I was hoping that Seth was going to bring back his Surgical Extraction Shadowborn Apostle deck albeit without the restriction.
Nice to see a returning item on the menu @crimothy
Im confused, what did the deflecting swat change the targets to?
Amazing series of games!
Nethroi selfmill is my pet deck! Excited to see what Phil does with him
Woo! Slime time! Win or not gotta love the ooze.