According to Sam, we could still get this. They just didn't want to end season 3 with it because they didn't know that they'd get a season 4. And while I can understand some fans being a bit shell-shocked or taken aback by this moment not being in season 3, there really wasn't a place for it because there was so much else going on. Perhaps in season 4, more might be done to focus on building to this moment exclusively, because there is a lull period in between the Conclave and Vecna arcs where they could fit something like this in.
@@dntm123 so for starters the idea that this show is ending after 3 seasons is ridiculous. It got over a billion dollars from fans just for season 1. Criters are actually ravenous, they will support this ip until it dies. Secondly what do you mean there was no place for this? Just out it where it should've been. The final episode. You actually let him die during the thordak or rashaun fights, play the lil prank when they get back, and revive him with bards lament being the end of the episode. Bonus points if you show the groups freak out and how they individually react to it while "circle the world" plays. Thirdly you realize that having a fit about people not caring about you then leaving makes a lot more sense than having a fit about people not caring, and then leaving your daughter to hang out with them just doesn't hit the same, right? Plus the prank they pulled on him while he was dead does actually matter a lot towards that, as well as kaylie seeing his corpse. Things we can no longer do without adding new plot bests to the intro to season 4. Ultimately I believe we shouldn't be giving them any credit for this, because it was an excuse to whitewash the group from what they were originally... Assholes.. So they took that away, and so scanlan doesn't have a reason to leave other than wanting to be with his daughter. Which is way weaker than "I want to be with my daughter, plus I do so much for you people and none of you give a shit about me" the show version of events is much h more marketable yes, but it looses the humanity of the original, as well as the opportunity to leave season 3 on a sad note interested of this lukewarm garbage we got
@@keoyeo8941animation gets treated by shit by plenty of companies, so acting like them getting a season 4 is a forgone conclusion and they should’ve expected it is complete bull. No show is guaranteed to get renewed for more seasons, especially an animated one, and especially especially an animated D&D show. It’s not like companies have said no to guaranteed money makers before
@@keoyeo8941they were not confirmed for a season 4 until relatively recently. Ask nwtflix how expecting a series that does well to get a sequel plays out
Grog quietly correcting Vex breaks my heart. "We looked tor your dog" "No, we didn't..." "But i swear i did the magic search!" That quiet little "No..." Broke my heart. He really cares for the little folk, he knows his friend is hurting snd deserves to be validated. Grog might not be very savy in most things, but he's got emotional intelligence.
It makes me kind of sad, actually, that they didn't really do this scene. I can sort of understand why, because it's clear that they've had to shuffle quite a bite as we close in to the end of the campaign to make it work, but it ends up losing the Prime only fanbase one of the most _legendary_ scenes in the entire show.
as a non-campaign watcher that watched the clip of bards lament, im actually sososo dissapointed because of the way they compromised it, was waiting the whole season excited for this scene and seeing how they did it was... yeah
really and truly makes it feel like scanlan's arc throughout the whole series built to nothing why would we show him constantly getting shafted by the others and constantly making compromises for them and never get anything in return if its not going to build to this?
@@Sashakawaiicat As a counterpoint, keep in mind that Scanlan was, more than most of the others, the butt of the joke, and while it's clear to the audience that the rest of the team does genuinely care about him, taking into account what he says here, it becomes very believable that he himself doesn't see it. It's true that by this point, Scanlan's backstory is the only one that hasn't gotten any real focus, leaving him to feel that he matters to everyone less than the others. In addition, to cope with his problems, both in and out of the group, he's turned to drugs at this point, and nobody even really noticed. It's easy to see why, after bringing his daughter in to see the way that his friends have, effectively, desecrated his corpse, he feels like his worst thoughts about his place in the team have been confirmed as facts.
Honestly, I feel like that there was a lot more buildup in the original from what I understand. Like Scanlan indulging in Spice, erasing peoples memory, etc. And that the team in general was just a bit more harsh. Like the instance where they time to a bed,strip of his clothes, and cover him in pudding. Like we wouldn’t see that in the show because these characters have a better understanding of each other. Now one can argue (and I have) that Scanlan should have had this moment in the show. You said so, they were pretty much undermining him throughout. However, there is an effort in communication. Even if it’s not about his past. While most of it if through Pike and Grog (and a bit of Vax), there is believable chemistry between them. I still think that this moment might happen, however, it will be less extreme and later on. Perhaps Scanlan realizes that none of the team members took the time to ask him about his past and he ends up sitting on this for a while till it blows up. It may not be the same level of severity but I do think there’s potential. After all if we got a mini arc of Kiki getting angry because the team wouldn’t listen to her, who’s to say that this wouldn’t happen?
The reason A Bards Lament wasn't at the end of season is because they didnt know if they were gonna get a season 4, and didn't want to end it on a "Fuck you!" From scanlan and thought it'd be better to end it on a high note in case the show couldn't continue. They said they'd honour it in a different way if they got renewed for a fourth season. Which they have, so expect it in season 4.
I’m confident we will still get this scene in the show. Most likely when they reunite in season 4, Scanlan will depart from his daughter and promise not to die. When he does this scene could still happen
Maybe they pushed it to a later moment. Bc with percy being dead and resurrected it could be 'a bit to much' in such a time span. There are still opportunities to get this scene in S4.
@@VDA19 OOF indeed. though, they addressed the lack of lament in an interview. sam said bc CR didn't know if amazon was going to renew, they didn't want to leave off on lament. but, he said if they got season 4 (which they just got), he said they would revisit lament in S4
I love it, you got a good grip on the LoVM designs! Honestly I can still see this working in season 4 so I'm no worried. I'm guessing he'll go of the rails now that they split up, goes of the rails and thus disappoints his only family starting the downwards spiral into this.
@@pattygadzina425 In fairness Vox Machina put a lot more emphasis as a whole on Scanlan as one of the defacto main characters throughout the three seasons. Like we get plenty of moments of seeing him shine (not the least of which being him being the slayer of Umbrasyll), of seeing the party genuinely value him, and in him actively going off on his own to do stuff with his daughter. Like we actively see him go from being a punchline to his own joke to being a legit valued member of the crew. So in that sense I can get why they opted to change things around.
Well, we still have season four, and according to what some other people in the comments are saying. It was possibly because they weren’t sure they were going to get another season. So it was better to leave on a more positive note. Which to be honest, makes a lot more sense. Sure they could’ve just made longer, but that’s neither here or there
Yes. Because even if it comes back it will take away the element of -- his agency to make the decision for his daughter and the humiliation felt at the hands of his friends. I dont even know what to say it will feel like agency is taken totally
@Taveren THANK YOU! they took away one of the worst thing vm has ever done, and in doing so they cut a moment of actual player based storytelling in exchange for a happy lil season 3 ending. Sam came up with that as a plot point, and it basically feels like the show is just whatever Matt would've wanted from the campaign. But that's not dnd. I can't tell you how many times I had a cool story idea and my players just did something completely different and it was cooler
They did not want to possibly end the show on such a massive downer note, because when making the scene they had no clue if they'd get S4 or not. They said they want to do it somehow, to honor it still.
@High-LordHarza okay so first off, cowards. If that was the end it would've been beautiful, and would've felt like the end of the group, brought about by the actions the group had taken throughout the series. Secondly, it's cute that you or anyone in charge of the show would think this wouldn't be continued. I understand that it wasn't confirmed at the time of production, but c'mon... It's not hard to see how ravenous critters are for content. The original Kickstarter made over a billion if I'm not mistaken, and that's not even counting merch. Most of which can be purchased through Amazon... And with how hard WotC is trying to push Vecna? Seriously?? This train wreck isn't stopping at the halfway mark.. No way Thirdly. If they try to recreate a bards lament it'll need to be either drastically changed, or they'd need to add new context to bring him back to that point, do it as it is, and then change the effect of it... So why even bother at this point? They had a chance to make an artistic recreation of a genuinely beautiful moment if storytelling, and they decided to do something generic instead. That was their choice, and they need to accept that, move on, and STOP CHANGING MAJOR PLOT BEATS
@@keoyeo8941It’s not dnd tho. People got to understand that it is an adaptation and changes had to be made for it to fit the new medium. I get why the changes where made especially with how they are handling death and resurrection. In dnd it’s a mechanic with limitations but within an animated show if done incorrectly it can cheapen character deaths and mess up the scale of character consequences. While this scene is legendary, it would have been too much with everything that was already going on in the season, there has to be a buildup for it to work, that is one of the reasons why it worked in the game.
It makes sense that this wasn't in season 3. Season 3 really just planted the seeds for it with the breakfast scene in his manor. Everyone besides Pike doesn't even know what's going on with him. They haven't even bothered asking more into it. Meanwhile, they've gone to the Faerealm for Vex and Vax, gone to Whitestone for Percy, to Pyra for Keyleth, helped Grog with his tribe, and got Pike the armor from the Nine Hells. Not once in that entire time, has anyone asked about Scanlan's very obvious issues. It's not like he's hidden it well. I wiuld be very happy if in Season 4 (if there is a Season 4), that they do this scene now that Scanlan is gonna spend time with his daughter.
I really want this scene in the animated series at some point! And T. Darrington! 😟 (I haven´t finished season 3 yet so no spoilers please.) The animatic is awesome btw. Scanlan emoting his feelings so strong just through his facial exprecionce!
According to Sam, we could still get this. They just didn't want to end season 3 with it because they didn't know that they'd get a season 4. And while I can understand some fans being a bit shell-shocked or taken aback by this moment not being in season 3, there really wasn't a place for it because there was so much else going on. Perhaps in season 4, more might be done to focus on building to this moment exclusively, because there is a lull period in between the Conclave and Vecna arcs where they could fit something like this in.
That makes a lot more sense. I definitely see potential of this scene coming back. Just in a different light.
@@dntm123 so for starters the idea that this show is ending after 3 seasons is ridiculous. It got over a billion dollars from fans just for season 1. Criters are actually ravenous, they will support this ip until it dies. Secondly what do you mean there was no place for this? Just out it where it should've been. The final episode. You actually let him die during the thordak or rashaun fights, play the lil prank when they get back, and revive him with bards lament being the end of the episode. Bonus points if you show the groups freak out and how they individually react to it while "circle the world" plays. Thirdly you realize that having a fit about people not caring about you then leaving makes a lot more sense than having a fit about people not caring, and then leaving your daughter to hang out with them just doesn't hit the same, right? Plus the prank they pulled on him while he was dead does actually matter a lot towards that, as well as kaylie seeing his corpse. Things we can no longer do without adding new plot bests to the intro to season 4. Ultimately I believe we shouldn't be giving them any credit for this, because it was an excuse to whitewash the group from what they were originally... Assholes.. So they took that away, and so scanlan doesn't have a reason to leave other than wanting to be with his daughter. Which is way weaker than "I want to be with my daughter, plus I do so much for you people and none of you give a shit about me" the show version of events is much h more marketable yes, but it looses the humanity of the original, as well as the opportunity to leave season 3 on a sad note interested of this lukewarm garbage we got
@@natnerdz it'd have to be changed near completing, or they'd have to add new plot beats to get scanlan back to where he should've done it
@@keoyeo8941animation gets treated by shit by plenty of companies, so acting like them getting a season 4 is a forgone conclusion and they should’ve expected it is complete bull. No show is guaranteed to get renewed for more seasons, especially an animated one, and especially especially an animated D&D show. It’s not like companies have said no to guaranteed money makers before
@@keoyeo8941they were not confirmed for a season 4 until relatively recently. Ask nwtflix how expecting a series that does well to get a sequel plays out
“What’s my mother’s name?” And then followed by silence. Really hurt.
Something so devastating when a comic relief character breaks down.
The only Sphinx who truly knew him is now dead •⁔•
Grog quietly correcting Vex breaks my heart.
"We looked tor your dog"
"No, we didn't..."
"But i swear i did the magic search!"
That quiet little "No..." Broke my heart. He really cares for the little folk, he knows his friend is hurting snd deserves to be validated. Grog might not be very savy in most things, but he's got emotional intelligence.
this scene broke me i feel like this will be the season 3 finale and boy im gonna cry
Liam did say this season was going to break fans hearts, so... you may be right.
I wish
I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this
i know exactly how you feel right now and girl me too
@@pattygadzina425 this is the closest we are gonna get now😭
It makes me kind of sad, actually, that they didn't really do this scene. I can sort of understand why, because it's clear that they've had to shuffle quite a bite as we close in to the end of the campaign to make it work, but it ends up losing the Prime only fanbase one of the most _legendary_ scenes in the entire show.
as a non-campaign watcher that watched the clip of bards lament, im actually sososo dissapointed because of the way they compromised it, was waiting the whole season excited for this scene and seeing how they did it was... yeah
really and truly makes it feel like scanlan's arc throughout the whole series built to nothing
why would we show him constantly getting shafted by the others and constantly making compromises for them and never get anything in return if its not going to build to this?
@@Sashakawaiicat As a counterpoint, keep in mind that Scanlan was, more than most of the others, the butt of the joke, and while it's clear to the audience that the rest of the team does genuinely care about him, taking into account what he says here, it becomes very believable that he himself doesn't see it.
It's true that by this point, Scanlan's backstory is the only one that hasn't gotten any real focus, leaving him to feel that he matters to everyone less than the others. In addition, to cope with his problems, both in and out of the group, he's turned to drugs at this point, and nobody even really noticed. It's easy to see why, after bringing his daughter in to see the way that his friends have, effectively, desecrated his corpse, he feels like his worst thoughts about his place in the team have been confirmed as facts.
Honestly, I feel like that there was a lot more buildup in the original from what I understand. Like Scanlan indulging in Spice, erasing peoples memory, etc. And that the team in general was just a bit more harsh. Like the instance where they time to a bed,strip of his clothes, and cover him in pudding. Like we wouldn’t see that in the show because these characters have a better understanding of each other.
Now one can argue (and I have) that Scanlan should have had this moment in the show. You said so, they were pretty much undermining him throughout.
However, there is an effort in communication. Even if it’s not about his past. While most of it if through Pike and Grog (and a bit of Vax), there is believable chemistry between them.
I still think that this moment might happen, however, it will be less extreme and later on. Perhaps Scanlan realizes that none of the team members took the time to ask him about his past and he ends up sitting on this for a while till it blows up.
It may not be the same level of severity but I do think there’s potential. After all if we got a mini arc of Kiki getting angry because the team wouldn’t listen to her, who’s to say that this wouldn’t happen?
The reason A Bards Lament wasn't at the end of season is because they didnt know if they were gonna get a season 4, and didn't want to end it on a "Fuck you!" From scanlan and thought it'd be better to end it on a high note in case the show couldn't continue. They said they'd honour it in a different way if they got renewed for a fourth season. Which they have, so expect it in season 4.
I’m confident we will still get this scene in the show. Most likely when they reunite in season 4, Scanlan will depart from his daughter and promise not to die. When he does this scene could still happen
Maybe they pushed it to a later moment. Bc with percy being dead and resurrected it could be 'a bit to much' in such a time span. There are still opportunities to get this scene in S4.
Beautiful animation, I love how well you emulated the LoVM style.
Makes me excited to see how this scene will look in season 4 or late season 4
Thanks a lot, I'm glad to hear I was able to emulate the style. I can't wait to see how it will look on the show 😭
prepare yourself... i think we're getting this scene as the season finale
@@lelliux5776 OOF
@@VDA19 OOF indeed. though, they addressed the lack of lament in an interview. sam said bc CR didn't know if amazon was going to renew, they didn't want to leave off on lament. but, he said if they got season 4 (which they just got), he said they would revisit lament in S4
@@lelliux5776 I don t see how they can revisit it properly.
I love it, you got a good grip on the LoVM designs!
Honestly I can still see this working in season 4 so I'm no worried. I'm guessing he'll go of the rails now that they split up, goes of the rails and thus disappoints his only family starting the downwards spiral into this.
*You’ve captured this moment so perfectly & the animation..AMAZING (well-put Drama & the Audio as well)* 👍
This is so good. I love that they look like in the show. With Season 3 over, this is legit the best version of this scene. Good job.
This is so good, you really captured the tension in that scene, well done ❤
this is going to hurt on the show
So about that...
@@Gathaeryx they didn't do it, did they?
@@kingofmonsters14 they compromised the HELL out of bards lament, has barely any impact now... as a huge scanlan fan im really dissapointed
@@pattygadzina425 In fairness Vox Machina put a lot more emphasis as a whole on Scanlan as one of the defacto main characters throughout the three seasons. Like we get plenty of moments of seeing him shine (not the least of which being him being the slayer of Umbrasyll), of seeing the party genuinely value him, and in him actively going off on his own to do stuff with his daughter. Like we actively see him go from being a punchline to his own joke to being a legit valued member of the crew.
So in that sense I can get why they opted to change things around.
😢😢😢🥺🥺this animation is SO good, it would've be so cool if they put this moment in the series too
THIS IS SOOO GOOD OMG my HEART
this deserves so much more than 97 likes! these expressions are so well constructed and emotional, you did amazing work :)
Omg thank you so much!!
So cool i wish this was in season 3 😢
yup and now this is the closest we're gonna get
Well, we still have season four, and according to what some other people in the comments are saying. It was possibly because they weren’t sure they were going to get another season. So it was better to leave on a more positive note. Which to be honest, makes a lot more sense.
Sure they could’ve just made longer, but that’s neither here or there
Who else is GENUINELY UPSET this got cut??
Yes. Because even if it comes back it will take away the element of -- his agency to make the decision for his daughter and the humiliation felt at the hands of his friends. I dont even know what to say it will feel like agency is taken totally
@Taveren THANK YOU! they took away one of the worst thing vm has ever done, and in doing so they cut a moment of actual player based storytelling in exchange for a happy lil season 3 ending. Sam came up with that as a plot point, and it basically feels like the show is just whatever Matt would've wanted from the campaign. But that's not dnd. I can't tell you how many times I had a cool story idea and my players just did something completely different and it was cooler
They did not want to possibly end the show on such a massive downer note, because when making the scene they had no clue if they'd get S4 or not. They said they want to do it somehow, to honor it still.
@High-LordHarza okay so first off, cowards. If that was the end it would've been beautiful, and would've felt like the end of the group, brought about by the actions the group had taken throughout the series.
Secondly, it's cute that you or anyone in charge of the show would think this wouldn't be continued. I understand that it wasn't confirmed at the time of production, but c'mon... It's not hard to see how ravenous critters are for content. The original Kickstarter made over a billion if I'm not mistaken, and that's not even counting merch. Most of which can be purchased through Amazon... And with how hard WotC is trying to push Vecna? Seriously?? This train wreck isn't stopping at the halfway mark.. No way
Thirdly. If they try to recreate a bards lament it'll need to be either drastically changed, or they'd need to add new context to bring him back to that point, do it as it is, and then change the effect of it... So why even bother at this point? They had a chance to make an artistic recreation of a genuinely beautiful moment if storytelling, and they decided to do something generic instead. That was their choice, and they need to accept that, move on, and STOP CHANGING MAJOR PLOT BEATS
@@keoyeo8941It’s not dnd tho. People got to understand that it is an adaptation and changes had to be made for it to fit the new medium. I get why the changes where made especially with how they are handling death and resurrection. In dnd it’s a mechanic with limitations but within an animated show if done incorrectly it can cheapen character deaths and mess up the scale of character consequences.
While this scene is legendary, it would have been too much with everything that was already going on in the season, there has to be a buildup for it to work, that is one of the reasons why it worked in the game.
It makes sense that this wasn't in season 3. Season 3 really just planted the seeds for it with the breakfast scene in his manor. Everyone besides Pike doesn't even know what's going on with him. They haven't even bothered asking more into it.
Meanwhile, they've gone to the Faerealm for Vex and Vax, gone to Whitestone for Percy, to Pyra for Keyleth, helped Grog with his tribe, and got Pike the armor from the Nine Hells.
Not once in that entire time, has anyone asked about Scanlan's very obvious issues. It's not like he's hidden it well. I wiuld be very happy if in Season 4 (if there is a Season 4), that they do this scene now that Scanlan is gonna spend time with his daughter.
I really want this scene in the animated series at some point! And T. Darrington! 😟
(I haven´t finished season 3 yet so no spoilers please.)
The animatic is awesome btw. Scanlan emoting his feelings so strong just through his facial exprecionce!
This is great! You nailed the designs and the emotions of the scene!
Guys... We're almost at the Final episode of S3. I will break down if this is how they'll end it...
so how did that go
How disappointed are you?
@@smashbrandiscootch719 I still broke down... From disappointment. 😒 Still enjoyed the season but mannn I wanted Bard's Lament so bad!
Such a great animatic!
My favorite moment in entire campaign
Masterfully done, I hope this is the S3 finale.
What program are you using?
@@mutantsandmemes Thanks!! I hope so too 🤞 and I used Storyboard Pro and Audacity
Wow...
i love this. so fucking heartbreaking
this is really good
IS THIS GOING TO BE IN THE 4TH SEASON!!???
Man... this is real sad.
🥺