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I have a PC at the moment, but after years of dealing with inflated prices and terrible ports...and probably getting older I just want to have a console behind my TV and sit in the living room so I'm waiting for a PS5 Pro to be released.
I have a PC with a 4090 / 13900K / 128GB RAM. I exclusively game on my PS5, it's a way better experience. No need to mess with drivers, settings, bugs... And it's so much better to lay down on the sofa in my media center with 5.1, OLED TV... PC is there for work.
@@lukastemberger I was thinking to switch to pc for the sake of better graphics and frames and was somehow going to bite the bullet of absolute high end cost but I did a lot of research and watched many TH-camrs , most of them said what you did so I decided not to Console is very convenient, since the ps5 launched, graphics and frame are not bad at all and now soon we are getting the pro and it will be a lot cheaper for you to upgrade to pro if you trade in your base ps5 here in Australia
@@sacjohnson1 totally. Gaming is my time to relax, not for messing with stuff. And I love tech, I built many PCs for myself, friends and family... But I just don't want to be bothered when I want to just chill out. Last week I tried Alan Wake 2 on PC because I got it for free when I bought my laptop. It was so much work to get it running just right... And gaming on a keyboard is just not as comfortable as a controller either. I gave up on it. My desktop PC and also laptop with a 4070 are designated for work only.
For sure PS5 Pro will be a rock solid 60fps for GTA 6 whilst everyone else will be 30fps, it will likely have more eye candy too. That's enough for me to get the Pro to play GTA.
@@thatonefoofrumlongbe Not really basing just on that, more that Sony wouldn't release a Pro update that is only a small amount better and the because GTA 6 is such a massive release they will have to make sure the Pro stands out from the existing consoles and doubling the frame rate would do this and is easily possible with a few improvements here and there.
@@seanpitt27 The point is to get that 60fps or better scaling compare to the normal for the people that want that better performance while the base system keeps developers in check on what visuals they can put in a game. They don't want to change everything inside and make it 2x and more powerful because games have to be compatible with the normal system as well so the hardware has to share similarities. On top of that even if they made it 2x and more then you would have a system that you payed the price for such power but hardly use that power because developers can only change resolution and fps and maybe some ray tracing etc, they can't make games made for a much more powerful system because they have to play on normal PS5. So if they made it that powerful and you payed the price for that power you would be displeased. Lastly there is also PS6 and the next generation that is suppose to be the real bigger step in power. If they made the Pro so powerful that is like a new console generation they they invalidate the next generation because if the Pro is so much better then the PS6 will just be a smaller step that it could be.
@@bigboulder So what do you propose? Anyways, is there a strategy? Sure,. But I don't believe it's malice, I think it's just the fact of reality. Most people have consoles because they are cheaper. And for consoles it will be easier to develop initially because of standardized hardware to turn a profit at release. Then they can turn their head towards PCs and tweak the game and boost the graphics and re-release. At the end of the day they're putting out a good product and getting paid for it, and that revenue allows them to make even better products, So as long as they perform (and they do) I'm not going to gripe too much about it.
@@ntme9 A delay for a PC version is a normal thing. like 3-9 Months. But 1-2 years? And from the leak we know the pc version is in development for at least 2 years. This is just not right.
Well I'm a big sucker for PSVR 2; I really, really love it, and VR never can have too much (or even enough) horsepower. So the PS5 Pro is already a day-1 buy for me whenever it will release.
It would be absolutely mega if Rockstar worked with Sony to make an exclusive (maybe timed exclusive until PC release) for the PS5 Pro + PSVR2 + GTA6 version! I doubt the PS5 Pro will have the performance to do it but a PS6 version could be insane in VR!
It looks inline what I would have expect from a pro console. Similar uplift like ps4 pro had to ps4. Same cpu with higher clocks, double GPU performance. It will enable 60fps modes to run and look better. And 30fps mode to have higher fidelity with more RT.
Everything made for the PS5 Pro has to run on the base PS5 as well. That means they can't release games that are CPU bottlenecked on the base PS5. This is mostly a graphics upgrade, functionality will stay the same.
Yeah I know, Like I said its what I expect. not the upgrade I'd want but Its logical that they'd keep it backwards compatible as much as possible, 4Ghz is a solid pump but that's not gonna do wonders as its lacking compared to the destop parts. Still a beast if everyting rumoured is real for the GPU@@lukastemberger
Are you talking the Tempest Engine? If so, that was a repurposed CU designed to work like an SPU from the PS3 days, stripped of cache and is really good for SIMD instructions. The audio for PS5 has nothing to do with the CUs on the GPU from what I have read.
As i said in the PCMR Discord when the trailer dropped THEY NEVER SAID IT WOULD RELEASE ON CURRENT MODELS PRE TRAILER ONLY THAT IT WOULD BE ON CURRENT GEN 🙃 THINGS CHANGE AS WELL WITH TIME
0:30 the best way to play GTA6 at launch should be on PC since the leaked videos from last year show they're developing it and testing it on the PC in Direct12 on 1080's 2060's and 2080's GTA5 launch versions on PS3 and Xbox360 contains logs showing it running on the PC in DirectX11 on mid range specs for the time as well. Will GTA6 be released on PC at launch probably not since that's what Take2 and rockstar have always done since GTA3 but there is proof now though with GTA5 and 6 that the game is up and running on PC with the ports being the console versions.
As I said in my message "Will GTA6 be released on PC at launch probably not since that's what Take2 and rockstar have always done since GTA3 but there is proof now though with GTA5 and 6 that the game is up and running on PC with the ports being the console versions." Also at the start of my message hence "Should" It "Should" be released on PC at launch BUT it won't. because Take2 want to sell it to the same people multiple times since the majority have always bought the same game at least twice.
I'm guessing 60CU (3840 Shaders) x 2230MHz = 17TFLOPs also the max boost clock of the Ryzen 7 3700x is 4.4GHz so It seems Sony is trying to push this CPU to its limits since its probably the weakest link in the PS5 Pro
@@ibrohiem PS5's GPU has the exact same specs as a RX 6700 (non XT) which launched at $400, and the PS5 digital launched at $400 with the disc launching at $500... The 7800XT launched at $500 and is easily available at that price so a PS5 Pro could easily hit $600
Why do you think that 4.4 Ghz is limited to CPU? We ain't talking about old 7nm here but instead 4nm node and it's also monolithic die instead of chiplet which makes CPU/GPU much more efficiency without having to run cross node infinity fabric here. Also unified caching system too, and if GPU specs are true, which is hybrid RDNA3+, if it's with those shaders count. It's going to easily go pass 7800xt if it's not power limited. With New node, they are going to save probably 30%-40% or even more power compared 7800 xt. 7800xt could had been over 3 Ghz GPU If its monolithic die... there is very valid reason why Nvidia is still riding that design instead of going chiplet... at least for consumer.
PS5 Pro will basically be a RX 6800xt with better raytracing paired with a Ryzen 7 3700x. We always hear over inflated specs of new console hardware and they are never true as usual. This is also a half generation console not a PS6.
@@exoticspeedefy7916I have a 6950xt. It won’t do 4k 60fps. Not in AAA titles. And the power draw is eye watering and wallet hurting. No way will a ps5 be that powerful. Starfield at 1440p with medium settings gets me a 60fps in new Atlantis. Draws 300watts from the wall too. To play at 110fps it’s 500watts. I still can’t hit 120fps at 1440p.
@@christinaedwards5084 *PS5 Pro. Is it the Red Devil or reference card that you have? I get 55-60 fps at 4k in Starfield maximum settings.. (80% resolution scale) I do also use duel rank RAM tuned to 3800mhz and a 5800x3d
@@exoticspeedefy7916 reference but I cheated out on the mobo and cpu. A520i and 5600. 3200mhz ram. Kinda tempted to get a 7800x3d but it’s an extra £700. Buy nice or buy twice as they say 😂
@@christinaedwards5084 AIB cards (like the Red Devil brand) are the ones to go for, the are higher clock and have better binned chips for higher spec. You would have a little more FPS with faster RAM at least 3600mhz (unless you know how to overclock) and duel-rank DIMM's (2x16gb) You probably already know all of this but for those who don't who are reading this comment lol.
Start saving for a PC - consoles are pathetic sand boxes where you don't have a freedom of choice and 8 year gap between versions - plenty of time to save and upgrade PC .
It's hard to say. A year is a long time, and you could get alot of enjoyment out of a regular ps5 in the meantime. My advice is if you don't have a 4k tv or monitor, don't bother waiting. The extra power of the ps5 pro will be wasted on anything less than 4k. I'd even personally recommend 120hz on top of that. But if that's what you already have, then yes you could consider waiting if you only want to make that purchase once.
@@Leester-70 Really? How so? I haven't heard of any problems whatsoever in this regard with games between PS4 and PS4 Pro, or Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S (god what a stupid name). You want full 4k gameplay, you buy the more powerful one; you still just have a FullHD tv, you buy the weaker one. How is that possibly bad?
@bellissimo4520 Devs will optimize their code for the hardware with the biggest market share first, which would be the older ps5. This won't be an issue for competent devs but some will cut corners and just rely on the better hardware to brute force it rather than spending time and resources to optimize for the newer hardware. Same reason PC ports with much better hardware run like shit.
Gotta say that I have always doubted a PS5 pro, but these specs seem on point to me. That is the perfect amount of performance for true 4K 120hz Forza Horizon 5 at PC extreme graphics quality level, with RT enabled. The RX6800 is a darn amazing card, especially when you get it at a good price, like you were saying about going wide sucks, is why the 6800 is often almost as fast as a 6900XT(with OC obviously, power limit very different) BTW, I have always been under the impression that the RT holdup has always been denoising, not ray count
I don’t know why consoles try to hit the 4k/60 target when it would be much more enjoyable at 1440/80. The fact that the PS5 Pro will only have 16gb of Ram is just disappointing
80fps? Fine if you have a 80hz , 160hz or 320hz display. Any other display at 80fps would be choppy as hell. Adaptive sync is okay but not as good as a natural sync.
You'll just have to wait even longer if you plan to play GTA VI. And you paid more than a pro will cost. But I can't blame you. Let's hope they actually optimize the game for PC
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 a 4080 with all the things it could do probably surpasses a Playstation 6, even if it was only for gaming. I'm surprised people still don't understand why PC GPU costs twice as much as a console
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139yeah the gpu is 2-3x the price of the ps5 and will achieve probably 6/7x the power of any PlayStation. Game will be massively enhanced for your high end pcs. The current 4080/4090 are not really being tested yet, so albeit consoles vs a pc performance is night and day, the games are made with console sales in mind then enhanced for the pc.
@ThepurposeofTime That comes with the cost. A complete PC with a 4080 will run circles around a console, I get it. But a complete PS5 Pro comes with everything. A 4080 on its own doesn't do shit lol. PSU? Motherboard? RAM? Storage? Case? CPU? OS? Keyboard and mouse, etc. It was the initial comment that made me laugh. "I'll just stick with the 4080" mmmkay lmao
Whatever the specs are, it should be able to perform 4K at 60fps with RT. The exclusives will most likely achieve that performance, but it would be great if third party games did as well like GTA 6.
No where powerful enough gpu to do native 4K at 60fps and certainly not with any retracing. Got to be on PC for native 4K. A gpu capable to do this is more expensive than the full ps5. Console gamers just don’t get this.
It has been reported for many years now that the PS5 has been slightly more powerful than the series X even though on paper it should be the series X. Phil Spencer has already confirmed that they won’t make a PRO version of their series X.
Thats not true and you going off the leaked information after the abk deal. Not everything is true and alot of thing change. Same way nobody knew about blade game.
Ps5 will never be more powerful than the series x and never has been some games perform better due to different devs focusing on the ps5 but as you said on paper the series x is more powerful and that will never change, only thing that can be done Is if devs focus on the series x optimization more instead of developing first for the ps5 then porting the game to the sx then downgrading it for the ss
@@assassin3003righhhht... Your telling me a trillion dollar company can't convince devs to optimise their game for Xbox... You know how dumb that sounds?😂
The only console that will be doing 30 fps in GTA 6 will be the Xbox Series S. Everything else will do 60 fps with FSR and the PS5 Pro might do 60 fps without FSR.
Keep dreaming. A Zen 2 CPU which is what all the consoles have, even the PS5 Pro so they won't be able to run GTA 6 at 60 fps. The best you can hope for is 1440p 30fps upscaled to 4k with the PS5 and then native 4k 30 fps with the PS5 Pro
Very unlikely, the CPU would likely still be the bottleneck. I'm hoping that the next gen consoles 2026-2028 (whenever they come) they are a huge priority for next gen
@@TTG2025 ps6 will going full ARM SoC, x86 is a big heat producer, using it at physical limit in silicon nanometric scale is a dumb move, going backward at the ps4-xbox one will be the path to downscale the CPU and heat production, to put a bigger GPU (aka graphics), maybe a NVIDIA SoC, they R&D of it is years ahead from AMD, the problem with silicons right now is heat production, and consoles are very narrow in this.
@@Ricardogs I'm sorry but no, I highly doubt Sony or Microsoft will go with ARM SoCs, and Microsoft has a long memory, they have not forgot all that went down between them and Nvidia in the early 2000s. Besides AMD will price match and I expect big things in the next few years from them, they won't lose the console hardware without a serious fight. If anything, I would expect Sony or Microsoft to look closely at the APUs AMD are putting out, as right now those are some pretty performant parts with only 12CUs at 20-30 watts. I could see a variation of a Strix Point Halo (Sarkak) variant in the next Xbox if it indeed releases in 2026, with a larger GPU and 2nd AI engine for used in AI upscaling and 12 CPU cores vs 16. Consoles, that are not handheld, don't need to run at meager 7-15 watts. 200w in future gaming consoles will be just fine, it might even be a bit less by then, considering that is what a PS5 pulls right now on a relatively large 6nm process.
Think back to 2013. GTA V releases on Sept 17th, approximately 2 months before the PS4/XBox 1. It released on the X360 and PS3 only. Then the following year it released on those newer consoles and 6 months later on the pc. I see GTA 6 releasing eithier April 2025 or Sept 2025. Gut feeling i see Sony releasing the PS5 Pro November of 2025, after the GTA 6 release, much like 2013. That is unless the PS5 Pro releases Nov of 2024, and that's the only way i see a GTA6 release on the PS5 Pro, before 2026.
His videos are just him guessing what will happen, but not being confident in his guesses. So he says 1000 times that he doesn't know for sure, and can be wrong, but he's not sure, and he can't confirm anything, all while claiming to have insiders giving him information. So basically the video is pointless because this guy doesn't actually know anything, and admits he doesn't know anything.
He is just milking the hype of ps5.... repeating the same ...bullhit again and again,every week just to get some views.....1% bullhit claim will surely stick and then he will claim. ......i told u ,told u naa
He did the same with PS5 he did say that it was going to be a small powerfull machine, with secret sauce that was going to make it better than any pc. Well not surprised that all of that was big bs 😂😂😂
I'll be at CES. It would be epic if they announced it there. I could only get a confirmation that PS will be there with new stuff. Could be anything though.
ps6 time limit to launch will be in 2027-2028, maybe a ARM soc with a big GPU, the problem with modern silicon chips is the big heat production at 7nm and lower, so killing x86 will be the choice to gain more raw power and lower heat output.
@dante19890 What do you think happens when a PS5 pro comes out? It's the exact same thing. More hardware to target, means more development time. Which in turn, makes the PS5 is a weaker console to deal with. Do you guys think your comments through or?
@@dante19890exactly! With series S has the lowest target developers need to optimise and spend heck of a lot time because it's weak. Not the same case with ps5. The lowest denominator in PlayStation space and xbox space aren't comparable at all,XSS if fundamentally weak and holding back xbox games.
I mean if we see ps4pro that was not that much improvement over ps4 . So now why sony will give that much improvement over ps5 ( just for GTA6 I don't think so might be) and it's not a ps6 or something like that it's just a pro model. If they stick with zen2 and upgrade gpu it will be same situation as ps4pro it was also cpu limited.
Closer inspection mitigates a lot of the hype to me. Yes it will be a significant upgrade. Looks like roughly between 6800 and 6800XT performance from a distance, with possibly better ray-tracing. That's still decently large to be sure, but it's not the 3-4 times the uplift we saw on the PS4/XOne refreshes. I'm not sure it's worth their time bothering with this at this point in the generation. It may merely prompt MS moving to their next generation sooner. Phil Spender has said they have no plans for a mid-gen refresh, regardless of whether Sony chooses to or not. To me that's a hint that they'd rather just bring in their next gen sooner if that's what's needed...and my guess is their next Xbox APU will likely have X3D going on. That's the sort of thing that could really put a PS5Pro on its heels, and Sony would be in a limited position to do anything about that for a while. Some of what could explain Sony appearing to shift their approach on the GPU end is if AMD is willing to give them a better deal. As we all know, both AMD and Nvidia ended up over-ordering from TSMC as the chip-shortage waned, and AMD may simply need ways to efficiently sell some of that. 6800s were clocked pretty low and as a result they were very power-efficient and cool-running for the performance they made, something Sony's struggled with in the past. TLDR Sony has been pretty shrewd about maintaining profitability with their consoles, and if AMD presents them with a good enough deal, that's probably what they would go with. And now we're at the end of the video and you're saying 1.5-2x performance uplift, which falls in line with the 6800-6800XT levels I was thinking.
A more likely reason Spencer indicates no interest in a mid-gen upgrade is the lack of a reason for it to exist. 4K TV hit big in the midst of the Xbox One/PS4 generation and became a big marketing target. There is nothing that compelling to the non-enthusiast in the current market. High frame rates are a bit esoteric for the casuals. At the same time, devs are still coming to grips with the PS5 and Series X hardware and much ceiling remains to be exploited. A lot of major dev teams have yet to do a truly native current gen game. We're still seeing a lot of releases that were prototyped on the previous gen platforms.
Weird, they wouldn't go with a Lower-Clocked Zen3 or Zen4 based CPU-Core, and get the same performance as a Zen2 based CPU-Core, while saving on Power and Heat. I'd imagine if they replace a 4.3Ghz Zen2 CPU-Core with a 3.5Ghz Zen4 CPU core, it would give the same performance increase wanted while also having newer tech, having lower power and heat, and making the PS5-Pro a sleeker, less cartoonish looking system..I love my games on my PS5, but it's clownish looking.
Zen 2 is more than enough to push 60 to 120 fps depending on resolution and game settings. Cost is the biggest factor. The same with using an advanced node like 5 or 4nm. An 8 core Zen 2 CPU at 4GHz is probably only using 15W maybe less.
3 Shader Engines with 30 WGP total and 3 disabled makes the most sense. That would make is basically the same as Navi 32. Then the backwards compatibility with PS4(Pro)/PS5 still works and the name 'Trinity' fits perfectly.
ZEN 2 on 4nm? I call bullshit. AMD has no high margin customers for ZEN 2 on 4nm. They already have ZEN 4C for high density applications that aren't overly cache sensitive. That means AMD would have to put the cost of porting ZEN 2 to 4nm entirely on Sony. Even if Microsoft was also sharing the cost, this would add a HUGE added expense to creating mid-gen upgrades which have been for prestige rather than profit centers. The PS$ Pro and Xbox One X were relatively low cost projects because the APU of both platforms had already been moved to 16nm. The two upgrade models were modifications building on that die shrink. AMD was already porting their then CPU and GPU architectures to 16nm, so the bulk of the expense didn't fall on the console makers. Once the APUs had gotten their die shrinks, the objective was to created expanded versions applying the greater ceiling on die size the shrink has given them. Sony went with a quick and simple approach. Their main addition to the PS4 APU was doubling the CU count. Turning off the second bank of CUs when necessary made for a straightforward backward compatibility. The Xbox One X took a more involved approach, which is why it trailed by a year but delivered better on its goals. This claimed PS5 Pro spec doesn't follow that pattern or any other rational pattern under the current technical circumstances of the semiconductor business. The 'slim' PS5 was a far more modest die shrink, to the closely compatible TSMC 6nm node. If there is a PS5 Pro in the works, it will also be on this node as so much of the cost is already covered. (It's interesting to consider what could have been done if a die shrink to 4nm for the PS5 was doable at acceptable cost. It could be quite small, similar to a Series S.) I cannot prove this claim spec doesn't exist but there is ample evidence why it doesn't.
With Overdose being built using Xbox cloud gaming technology, Is this technology what Microsoft is relying on to counter PS5 pro Also would 3nm versions the Xbox series chip be enough to counter PS5 pro without cloud support
Zen 4 - 5/RDNA 4 that's custom designed. To get 2X raster this will need to be on TSMC N5, not N6. It's either that or the APU is GIGANTIC. So, only a couple if-thens but first the historical with this X86-64 project which has worked well. The PS5 came out on a brand new RDNA 2 and 1YO Zen 2. RDNA 4 will be brand new but RDNA 4 is already in development and probably even engineering samples have been made. That's LOTS of time for the hardware devs to get a custom APU using RDNA 4 on TSMC N5. It would even be possible for them to get on N4 because Nvidia will be coming off of it. A year from now, right? So, it makes NO SENSE to port Zen 2, which has only been ported to N6 if you even want to call that a port since N6 is a variant of N7. TSMC N5 allows much faster clock speeds as does N4. So, IF AMD gets out Zen 5 early next year, then the PS5 Pro is probably coming out on Zen 5. No reason to use a 2 YO Zen 4. The amount of R&D time will be plenty sufficient to get onto Zen 5 IF it comes out early 2024. Otherwise it's Zen 4. Or, since it's hard to know if this will be based on TSMC N4 or N5, then you could probably say IF it's on N5, it's Zen 4 and IF it's on N4, then it's Zen 5 as long as it comes out early 2024. For the graphics it makes no sense to do a LOT of work to it, basically remaking a graphics architecture from an older product. RDNA 3 doesn't even give 2.5X the RT performance boost over RDNA 2. Ir doesn't make sense for AMD to waste a lot of engineering hours working with Sony on anything other than RDNA 4. If it's TRULY 2.5X RT uplift over RDNA 2 (PS5), that's RDNA 4. It makes ZERO sense economically for it to be anything else. So, consider what happens if Sony releases a PS5 Pro AND it hits the target goals of 2X raster, 2.5X RT, AND it will have AI cores just like RDNA 3/RDNA 4. This will be a bigger seller than the PS5 was. With the continued development of FSR2 and 3, this product will be good enough for that 4K TV. It won't be GREAT, but then consoles never are. It will run 4K @60 fps in many games.
You forgot some thing if they go with ZEN5 and RANA 4 do you know how much it costs?? Probably it will be more than 800$ ( obviously it costs them more than that. They get their majority of income by selling games and subscription services) . I mean they might have gone with max out zen2 and max out RDNA2 graphics at start with ps5 if they wanted to because of pricing they took mid range thighs from AMD . So now how are you thinking that they will get all of those new stuff and make what ? pro version of ps5.
@@Noob._gamerconsoles are always sold at huge losses, what's your point? The companies make it back very quickly,for reference ps5 broke even in just a year of sales.
@@-BarathKumarSConsoles never use cutting edge technology so stop speaking nonsense. People like you spread lies every time a new console comes out and it never ends up being as powerful as frauds like you claim it to be.
@@26Guenter Dude I'm not the one who said 30 WGP, Paul did based on rumors. Why would the CPU architecture make one more expensive? The process node could, but by the end of 2024, different companies are going to be moving onto TSMC N3 so the cost of N4 and N5 won't be the same as it is now, AMD would be a price break on it JUST LIKE they are right now using N7 to make Zen 3 and RDNA 2 which is why AMD can offer both at discounted prices over the last year. So, the die size would be about the same as it is right now because the CPU die space would be smaller but the GPU die space would be bigger.
Where do you get these figures from?you say “Sources” but unless that person works in PS development then you’re just speculating out of your ass, none of this have been proven 😅
@@toastyburgerAs long as your not going on malicious sites that’s not a problem. Thanks for confirming you know nothing about PC’s at all. Let’s also not forget that Sony has been hacked before putting Millions of owners information in jeopardy.
@@oswaldmosley6179 and cheaters, right now crossplay is full of it, some times a closed system/ecosystem is the choice, many PC cheaters had their modem and PC wide open, then going their zombie PC to DDoS attacks other service/computers
If that's all the technical power that the Playstation Pro is going to have then I'm just going to save my money for something more important. The Pro model just doesn't have the power or the technical specs to get me interested in spending another five hundred dollars or more to have another 10 to 15 fps in game's. Sony should reconsider both the specs and whether or not to even release a Pro model considering the economical and world ending war's that happening.
Current gen so weak, upscalingto quality mode @1440-1800 ish at 30fps (not going to even native resolutions), and no retracing or cutting detail just to get it smooth. Performance mode 1080p at 60fps. So glad I don’t play consoles this gen.
@@colinbrydon7659 these can consoles can do 1440-4K 60 easily but these 3rd party devs push everything on consoles for no reason. 1st party devs already been pushing 60 fps running at least 1440p upscaled.
tbh it doesn't look good, same CPU just clicked to 4.5gh so if you oc yours in the pc you know that this will barely lift the performance, and if you will look at the games which are using CPU then this machine won't be able to deliver stable 60fps lol GTA 6 will stuck at 30 anyway with 1440p , and the thing is that pro is coming just to keep that sweet spot Res, which is 1440p people thinks that this will deliver 4k with flawless 60 while the base Res will be 1440p the difference will be with more visible RT and that's it, that's the purpose of new ps5 to keep up with RT
The performance they need to lift is not really the issue with the CPU across the board. It is the GPU that needs to be upgraded significantly to achieve what I'm assuming Sony is going for, 4k/60fps with RT enabled. Additionally, if you don't believe that a Zen 2 CPU clocked upwards of 25% faster won't pay dividends, well, I think you are mistaken, especially in the few examples that are CPU bound.
The Tegra X1 in the Switch supports 4K output does that mean that games run at 4K lol. Output resolution and native resolution in games are two completely different things.
Yeah baby I knew it PS5 Pro plus GTA 6 thats the way while pc guys begging a decent port for GTA 6 fon pc years later meanwhile all gamers on console Enjoying it.
Easy language, PS5 pro will be close to RX6800 (non XT) with the same CPU like standard PS5, this console will be good 1440p 60 fps machine. Standard PS5 is close to RX6650XT 1080p gpu. That's why PS5 upscale image from 1080p or lower or max 1440p to 4k in 30 or 60 fps depends of game! Still RDNA2 gpu-s like RX6800XT or RX6950XT will be much faster than PS5 Pro.....
If Sony doesn't get Mesh Shaders and stay with Primitive Shaders that extra power isn't going to amount to much in UE5 games and may still result in worst quality than XSX and that hate will fall right onto developers. Also R* studio head was asked about PS6 and he said wouldn't make much difference at this point so maybe it's 60fps anyway Digital Foundry Alex said you can see FSR1 at play in the trailer so if they lowered the internal red down to 700p like Jedi Survivor and reconstruct to 1440p they can get 60fps plus i think the density of crowds and traffic will be gone by 2025 probably not even hit the polishing phase yet.
I prefer to watch these news here cause the rest of the youtubers know nothing about what the specs mean. Seems like they’re stuck in the 16 vs 32 vs 64 bit era. 😂 😂
How do we force retailers to sell these properly to avoid scalping and supply shortages. It could be as simple as 1 unit per retailer per shippung address.
I honestly don't understand how hyped people get over 4 year old gpu, and a 5 year old CPU hardwaare being released as 'new'. Sorry. You could literally buy a zen 3 and RDNA 3 card for the same price as a ps pro...
ps6 will be launch en 2027-2028, 5 years cycle are things of the past, since xbox 360 the develop timing to launch another console with different architecture is 7 years, and 10 years to stop development of AAA-AA crossgen games.
@@Ricardogs 5 year cycles are what we need. All games run on x86 and variants of desktop GPUs. We don't need 7-8 year cycles for console hardware. We need shorter cycles, as games will play on both a PS5 and PS6 one just at 30fps most likely. Or, we turn the industry on its head and come out with a console that is set on the CPU side for the better part of the decade and make replacement GPUs for it. Oh wait, that is called a PC. 😉
This "refresh" only makes sense if they ran through their entire silicon inventory, and needed to buy more to fill the gap. 100% if this is Zen 2, it's barely going to be an upgrade worth mentioning at all...
I don't agree, as 120fps is still the target, these CPUs, especially at 4ghz, should be more than enough for that task. The GPU is where it will count most, if they are truly pushing RT with a pro. Sure, RT is CPU intensive, but 4k/60fps with RT is the target, and _should_ be doable with perhaps some help from fixed hardware AI upscaling.
The GTA6 trailer was full of visual trickery. If you still frame it at 4k on a big screen you can see bad textures and distant objects in the beach scene are splodgy rubbish.
PS5 Pro will be able to run true 8k with 120 fps and full ray tracing. No fan noise and no coil whine. SSD will have the optimal size of 1825 Gb. It will cost about 649 USD, the horizontal stand costs 29 USD and the vertical one will costs 39 USD. The new Dual sense version with the touch screen + bling bling buttons will start at around 89 USD. All PSN tiers will get a price increase of about 10%. Same for the Games.
Whilst a £6-7k PC with the highest specs in the world will only do 4K native, MAX SETTINGS, RETRACING AND 150-200fps. Delusional doesn’t even come close, try it might hit 60fps at 1440
@@e_326 why the hell would you spend £1000 or 1000 euro on the balance of a pc. What makes a pc isn’t just the gpu. A great system with a 4090 you’re looking about 4.5k. Then there’s a few different options which rack up the cost including water cooling. The most expensive Rtx is about £2500 in the uk.
@@colinbrydon7659 watercooling is not required it is only something that hardcore PCMR guys use. Also the 1000€ extra includes all the other stuff like CPU, RAM etc. So all in all €3k and you have ur 4k 120fps experience. Of course much more expensive than just buying a console.
@@e_326 no water cooling is just to look cool. Spend a thousand for some slimmer green liquid, but no in all seriousness you get what you pay for so for a cpu/motherboard your looking at £1000, power supply £300 fans £200 cables £100, case £300ish, cpu cooler (if not liquid) £300 accessories probably another £100 ssd £150 memory £300. Speaking first hand and building yourself. If you want cheap because it’s got a 4090 with 120fps 😂 if buy above and I push 200+ fps on some games at 4K and max every setting.
Consoles will finally get the smoke and mirrors trick called frame generation well in holiday 2024😂. Meanwhile you you could have played with ps6/pro like graphics on PC since 2022. Life is too short to wait for the Consoles to catch up!
@KTK-o it's true you have to pick your poison to be a beta tester. Wait for shader compilation a few minutes or wait a decade to be older for consoles to catch up. 😉. I'm hoping that Unreal engine gets their sh!t together by then.
Pro consoles are the overpriced, stop gap, least supported consoles. You only have to wait a year and a bit before the hype/release of next gen starts making Pro a waste of you going to buy a next gen. Also just look at Nintendo - the Switch is doing fine. The consoles we have now are good enough and no real need to push for mid systems which also fragments consumers.
Ps5 pro with those specs and no upscaling technology is DOA. No one is spending 500-600 on a console with the same cpu from four years ago and mediocre gpu improvements.
@@kcfreetime and even beyond gta 6 every game should be able to do 4k 60fps. The main issue with the ps4 pro was that it was an overclocked ps4 gpu so you had a massive cpu bottleneck with no 60fps games.
@@Entertainment-ev6obDude your not getting guaranteed any resolution lmao. Games are hardware are not locked to a resolution it depends on the hardware and the games. Also this is a half generation console not a PS6. Your a clown for expecting a next generation leap.
im not going to buy a playstation ever again. i am not buying something just to have sony decide they are going to remove it from my library with no compensation
I haven't bought Sony since they decided to remove Linux and SACD playback on the original Phat PS3. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy any of Gate's stuff either.
The GTA6 trailer was full of visual trickery. If you still frame it at 4k on a big screen you can see bad textures and distant objects in the beach scene are splodgy rubbish.
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I have a PC at the moment, but after years of dealing with inflated prices and terrible ports...and probably getting older I just want to have a console behind my TV and sit in the living room so I'm waiting for a PS5 Pro to be released.
Good decision brother , you’ll spend more time in doing actual gaming than updating this that and the other
I am happy for you 👍
I’m thinking the other way ,of years gaming on a console , all 3 mainstream , I’m thinking of going to pc and steam deck .
I have a PC with a 4090 / 13900K / 128GB RAM. I exclusively game on my PS5, it's a way better experience. No need to mess with drivers, settings, bugs... And it's so much better to lay down on the sofa in my media center with 5.1, OLED TV...
PC is there for work.
@@lukastemberger I was thinking to switch to pc for the sake of better graphics and frames and was somehow going to bite the bullet of absolute high end cost but I did a lot of research and watched many TH-camrs , most of them said what you did so I decided not to
Console is very convenient, since the ps5 launched, graphics and frame are not bad at all and now soon we are getting the pro and it will be a lot cheaper for you to upgrade to pro if you trade in your base ps5 here in Australia
@@sacjohnson1 totally. Gaming is my time to relax, not for messing with stuff.
And I love tech, I built many PCs for myself, friends and family... But I just don't want to be bothered when I want to just chill out.
Last week I tried Alan Wake 2 on PC because I got it for free when I bought my laptop. It was so much work to get it running just right... And gaming on a keyboard is just not as comfortable as a controller either. I gave up on it.
My desktop PC and also laptop with a 4070 are designated for work only.
For sure PS5 Pro will be a rock solid 60fps for GTA 6 whilst everyone else will be 30fps, it will likely have more eye candy too. That's enough for me to get the Pro to play GTA.
There's a lot of doubt on that on Reddit.
@@thatonefoofrumlongbe Not really basing just on that, more that Sony wouldn't release a Pro update that is only a small amount better and the because GTA 6 is such a massive release they will have to make sure the Pro stands out from the existing consoles and doubling the frame rate would do this and is easily possible with a few improvements here and there.
On a zen 2 cpu...
@@jimbob8992 Yeah Zen 2 is disappointing but it's still doable if Sony go about it in the right way.
@@jimbob8992 dead ass. They should put atleast a Zen3 on that Pro.
Take a drink every time he says: Interesting, Curious and Basically.
oh God
If the ps5 pro not a 2 x in power to the original then what’s the point!
@@seanpitt27 The point would be for Sony to make more money.
@@seanpitt27 The point is to get that 60fps or better scaling compare to the normal for the people that want that better performance while the base system keeps developers in check on what visuals they can put in a game. They don't want to change everything inside and make it 2x and more powerful because games have to be compatible with the normal system as well so the hardware has to share similarities.
On top of that even if they made it 2x and more then you would have a system that you payed the price for such power but hardly use that power because developers can only change resolution and fps and maybe some ray tracing etc, they can't make games made for a much more powerful system because they have to play on normal PS5.
So if they made it that powerful and you payed the price for that power you would be displeased.
Lastly there is also PS6 and the next generation that is suppose to be the real bigger step in power. If they made the Pro so powerful that is like a new console generation they they invalidate the next generation because if the Pro is so much better then the PS6 will just be a smaller step that it could be.
I hope PS5 Pro is really a thing. Definitely getting it specifically for GTA 6 since it’s not coming on pc during release.
Im sure it is in development. If it gets released and not scrapped, is another question
PC gamer here, I don't own a modern console but I too will be purchasing the most powerful console available at time of release of GTA 6
Thats exactly what rockstar is trying to achieve with their years of delay between console and pc release. People buy the same game twice.
@@bigboulder to be fair I would pay $120 for GTA 6 anyways
@@ntme9 All fine .. but that only pushes rockstar to treat pc gamers like 3rd class costumers.
@@bigboulder So what do you propose?
Anyways, is there a strategy? Sure,. But I don't believe it's malice, I think it's just the fact of reality.
Most people have consoles because they are cheaper. And for consoles it will be easier to develop initially because of standardized hardware to turn a profit at release.
Then they can turn their head towards PCs and tweak the game and boost the graphics and re-release.
At the end of the day they're putting out a good product and getting paid for it, and that revenue allows them to make even better products, So as long as they perform (and they do) I'm not going to gripe too much about it.
@@ntme9 A delay for a PC version is a normal thing. like 3-9 Months. But 1-2 years? And from the leak we know the pc version is in development for at least 2 years. This is just not right.
Well I'm a big sucker for PSVR 2; I really, really love it, and VR never can have too much (or even enough) horsepower. So the PS5 Pro is already a day-1 buy for me whenever it will release.
It would be absolutely mega if Rockstar worked with Sony to make an exclusive (maybe timed exclusive until PC release) for the PS5 Pro + PSVR2 + GTA6 version!
I doubt the PS5 Pro will have the performance to do it but a PS6 version could be insane in VR!
What happend with intel battlemage? We are very close to the release of Q1 Q2 but we havent gotten any information about it anymore.
Q3 my boy, not close, we might even see RDNA4 launch before it
@@MaxIronsThird wait didnt they say H1 2024?
@@QDoledgamer Yeah, it was also supposed to be in MTL, but we know how that turned out.
It looks inline what I would have expect from a pro console. Similar uplift like ps4 pro had to ps4. Same cpu with higher clocks, double GPU performance.
It will enable 60fps modes to run and look better. And 30fps mode to have higher fidelity with more RT.
Anyone done a realistic estimate for a price point yet?
$500-600
$600 not more than that
I'm hoping 6:00 to 800. I'd $1,000 if they put enough juice in it
$600
it would kinda be sick if this is true on the Ray Tracing side of things, I just don't fancy the CPU situation though its what I expected
You can't expect them to fully change the console this is the pro version not ps6 cpu is just fine they need the gpu to be good
Everything made for the PS5 Pro has to run on the base PS5 as well. That means they can't release games that are CPU bottlenecked on the base PS5. This is mostly a graphics upgrade, functionality will stay the same.
Yeah I know, Like I said its what I expect. not the upgrade I'd want but Its logical that they'd keep it backwards compatible as much as possible, 4Ghz is a solid pump but that's not gonna do wonders as its lacking compared to the destop parts. Still a beast if everyting rumoured is real for the GPU@@lukastemberger
@@ItsAkile Oh, I have the 4090 and the base PS5 is already a so much better experience :) They just need to be good enough for the price.
How would a lower clock on the GPU affect backwards compatibility?
Probably wouldn't as RDNA Free(3) would be more efficent at doing stuff in general
PS5 uses an own spatial audio solution. which on the Radeon CUs was executed on 4CUs which also can be enabled to do other stuff.
Are you talking the Tempest Engine? If so, that was a repurposed CU designed to work like an SPU from the PS3 days, stripped of cache and is really good for SIMD instructions. The audio for PS5 has nothing to do with the CUs on the GPU from what I have read.
As i said in the PCMR Discord when the trailer dropped THEY NEVER SAID IT WOULD RELEASE ON CURRENT MODELS PRE TRAILER ONLY THAT IT WOULD BE ON CURRENT GEN 🙃 THINGS CHANGE AS WELL WITH TIME
0:30 the best way to play GTA6 at launch should be on PC since the leaked videos from last year show they're developing it and testing it on the PC in Direct12 on 1080's 2060's and 2080's
GTA5 launch versions on PS3 and Xbox360 contains logs showing it running on the PC in DirectX11 on mid range specs for the time as well.
Will GTA6 be released on PC at launch probably not since that's what Take2 and rockstar have always done since GTA3 but there is proof now though with GTA5 and 6 that the game is up and running on PC with the ports being the console versions.
The way to play GTA6 is to play it on whatever it is available on😂
Genius GTA6 will not be coming to PC at launch!
As I said in my message "Will GTA6 be released on PC at launch probably not since that's what Take2 and rockstar have always done since GTA3 but there is proof now though with GTA5 and 6 that the game is up and running on PC with the ports being the console versions."
Also at the start of my message hence "Should"
It "Should" be released on PC at launch BUT it won't. because Take2 want to sell it to the same people multiple times since the majority have always bought the same game at least twice.
Sorry pc guy you will have to wait at least two years to see GTA 6 cause PS5 and series will be first.
@@ArielCleirigh I have a PS5 as well, but the PC is still the best place to play GTA6 or any game for that matter :)
I'm guessing 60CU (3840 Shaders) x 2230MHz = 17TFLOPs also the max boost clock of the Ryzen 7 3700x is 4.4GHz so It seems Sony is trying to push this CPU to its limits since its probably the weakest link in the PS5 Pro
Yeah but a 7800 xt level for $499-$599? Be realistic man
@@ibrohiemI wouldn't mind if it were 8 to 1,000
@@ibrohiem PS5's GPU has the exact same specs as a RX 6700 (non XT) which launched at $400, and the PS5 digital launched at $400 with the disc launching at $500... The 7800XT launched at $500 and is easily available at that price so a PS5 Pro could easily hit $600
It's more around 21TFLOPs
Why do you think that 4.4 Ghz is limited to CPU? We ain't talking about old 7nm here but instead 4nm node and it's also monolithic die instead of chiplet which makes CPU/GPU much more efficiency without having to run cross node infinity fabric here. Also unified caching system too, and if GPU specs are true, which is hybrid RDNA3+, if it's with those shaders count. It's going to easily go pass 7800xt if it's not power limited. With New node, they are going to save probably 30%-40% or even more power compared 7800 xt.
7800xt could had been over 3 Ghz GPU If its monolithic die... there is very valid reason why Nvidia is still riding that design instead of going chiplet... at least for consumer.
Why would it be at 2ghz? The solder is still lead free right? Gotta keep contact temps low
PS5 Pro will basically be a RX 6800xt with better raytracing paired with a Ryzen 7 3700x. We always hear over inflated specs of new console hardware and they are never true as usual. This is also a half generation console not a PS6.
It's more like a 6900xt - 6950xt I think.
@@exoticspeedefy7916I have a 6950xt.
It won’t do 4k 60fps. Not in AAA titles.
And the power draw is eye watering and wallet hurting.
No way will a ps5 be that powerful.
Starfield at 1440p with medium settings gets me a 60fps in new Atlantis. Draws 300watts from the wall too.
To play at 110fps it’s 500watts.
I still can’t hit 120fps at 1440p.
@@christinaedwards5084 *PS5 Pro. Is it the Red Devil or reference card that you have? I get 55-60 fps at 4k in Starfield maximum settings.. (80% resolution scale) I do also use duel rank RAM tuned to 3800mhz and a 5800x3d
@@exoticspeedefy7916 reference but I cheated out on the mobo and cpu.
A520i and 5600. 3200mhz ram.
Kinda tempted to get a 7800x3d but it’s an extra £700.
Buy nice or buy twice as they say 😂
@@christinaedwards5084 AIB cards (like the Red Devil brand) are the ones to go for, the are higher clock and have better binned chips for higher spec.
You would have a little more FPS with faster RAM at least 3600mhz (unless you know how to overclock) and duel-rank DIMM's (2x16gb)
You probably already know all of this but for those who don't who are reading this comment lol.
Should i wait to go for Ps5 pro?
You shud it's a monster I have watched from various videos and surf on net all are saying ITS A MONSTER❤
Start saving for a PC - consoles are pathetic sand boxes where you don't have a freedom of choice and 8 year gap between versions - plenty of time to save and upgrade PC .
It's hard to say. A year is a long time, and you could get alot of enjoyment out of a regular ps5 in the meantime. My advice is if you don't have a 4k tv or monitor, don't bother waiting. The extra power of the ps5 pro will be wasted on anything less than 4k. I'd even personally recommend 120hz on top of that. But if that's what you already have, then yes you could consider waiting if you only want to make that purchase once.
Yes man Imagine GTA 6 on PS5 Pro all you need while pc players wait as dumbs.
No I would just save and build a PC.
Having different versions of consoles defeats the biggest advantage of buying a console in the first place.
Consoles sale based off of simplicity, thats not nullified because there's "2 PS5s now" 😅
@@sobversion3 Wrong. It's sacrificing consistency.
@@Leester-70 Really? How so? I haven't heard of any problems whatsoever in this regard with games between PS4 and PS4 Pro, or Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S (god what a stupid name). You want full 4k gameplay, you buy the more powerful one; you still just have a FullHD tv, you buy the weaker one. How is that possibly bad?
@@bellissimo4520lowest common denominator.
That’s how so.
@bellissimo4520 Devs will optimize their code for the hardware with the biggest market share first, which would be the older ps5. This won't be an issue for competent devs but some will cut corners and just rely on the better hardware to brute force it rather than spending time and resources to optimize for the newer hardware. Same reason PC ports with much better hardware run like shit.
Id rather them wait it out utilize the hardware for the ps6.
So its going from R7 2700x and 6700xt tier performance to around R7 3700x and 6800xt.
more like 3600/6700 to 3700X/6800.
Gotta say that I have always doubted a PS5 pro, but these specs seem on point to me. That is the perfect amount of performance for true 4K 120hz Forza Horizon 5 at PC extreme graphics quality level, with RT enabled. The RX6800 is a darn amazing card, especially when you get it at a good price, like you were saying about going wide sucks, is why the 6800 is often almost as fast as a 6900XT(with OC obviously, power limit very different)
BTW, I have always been under the impression that the RT holdup has always been denoising, not ray count
HUH! PS5 Pro
s GPU will be based on a RX 7800 XT
@@Lionheart1188lower frequency, that's why it will have 7700XT/6800 level performance.
I don’t know why consoles try to hit the 4k/60 target when it would be much more enjoyable at 1440/80. The fact that the PS5 Pro will only have 16gb of Ram is just disappointing
80fps?
Fine if you have a 80hz , 160hz or 320hz display.
Any other display at 80fps would be choppy as hell.
Adaptive sync is okay but not as good as a natural sync.
@@christinaedwards5084 yeah fair point. There should be an option for it to do 30, 60, and 80 for those who have that kind of display
What does it matter when 95% of games aren't optimized 🙂
Can someone explain how good or bad this would be? Are we looking at better graphics and fps?
what is there to explain that isnt self evident.
30fps mode will have more RT
60fps modes will run better with higher resolution.
no, the Pro will be weaker than the base model, it's actually Sony's anwser to the Series S.
@@MaxIronsThird dont trick the poor guy
I'll stick with the rtx 4080
You'll just have to wait even longer if you plan to play GTA VI. And you paid more than a pro will cost. But I can't blame you. Let's hope they actually optimize the game for PC
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 a 4080 with all the things it could do probably surpasses a Playstation 6, even if it was only for gaming.
I'm surprised people still don't understand why PC GPU costs twice as much as a console
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139yeah the gpu is 2-3x the price of the ps5 and will achieve probably 6/7x the power of any PlayStation. Game will be massively enhanced for your high end pcs.
The current 4080/4090 are not really being tested yet, so albeit consoles vs a pc performance is night and day, the games are made with console sales in mind then enhanced for the pc.
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 I know right it's not like there's literally thousands of other games available on PC to play
@ThepurposeofTime That comes with the cost. A complete PC with a 4080 will run circles around a console, I get it. But a complete PS5 Pro comes with everything. A 4080 on its own doesn't do shit lol. PSU? Motherboard? RAM? Storage? Case? CPU? OS? Keyboard and mouse, etc.
It was the initial comment that made me laugh. "I'll just stick with the 4080" mmmkay lmao
If they release PS5 Pro at the same time as a GTAVI release it will be an instant win for Sony. Two hypes combo for ultimate hype play.
What happened to Amatta?
“Beastly specs” *has 12gb usable shared RAM*.
The pro will be perfect for gta6 and is a master move. The best way by miles will be on the pro and gta6 is the biggest seller in videogaming
Whatever the specs are, it should be able to perform 4K at 60fps with RT. The exclusives will most likely achieve that performance, but it would be great if third party games did as well like GTA 6.
Rofl not with RT it won’t lel
No where powerful enough gpu to do native 4K at 60fps and certainly not with any retracing. Got to be on PC for native 4K. A gpu capable to do this is more expensive than the full ps5. Console gamers just don’t get this.
I don't think anyone expects native especially since pc game specs all seem to include upscaling nowadays @@colinbrydon7659
@@colinbrydon7659 probably upscaled 1440P to 4K 60FPS and using some RT(Reflections and shadows alone,no pathtracing)
This is crazy talk.
Dual-issue in RDNA3 desktop seems to be a total failure. They better put some extra full CUs to make the thing worth it
at this point, maybe will be a RDNA 3.5 or full RDNA 4, similar with cut cornered RDNA 2 (aka 1.5) in ps5
it's based on RDNA3.5, like Strix Halo.
Definitely not RDNA4.
Unfortunately we don't know what RDNA 3.5 is capable of
@@jpasan 10% better
It has been reported for many years now that the PS5 has been slightly more powerful than the series X even though on paper it should be the series X. Phil Spencer has already confirmed that they won’t make a PRO version of their series X.
Microsoft wants to move away from consoles and go full Cloud by 2030.
Thats not true and you going off the leaked information after the abk deal. Not everything is true and alot of thing change. Same way nobody knew about blade game.
Phil denied any pro versión for xbox so drop it.
Ps5 will never be more powerful than the series x and never has been some games perform better due to different devs focusing on the ps5 but as you said on paper the series x is more powerful and that will never change, only thing that can be done Is if devs focus on the series x optimization more instead of developing first for the ps5 then porting the game to the sx then downgrading it for the ss
@@assassin3003righhhht... Your telling me a trillion dollar company can't convince devs to optimise their game for Xbox... You know how dumb that sounds?😂
The only console that will be doing 30 fps in GTA 6 will be the Xbox Series S. Everything else will do 60 fps with FSR and the PS5 Pro might do 60 fps without FSR.
Keep dreaming. A Zen 2 CPU which is what all the consoles have, even the PS5 Pro so they won't be able to run GTA 6 at 60 fps. The best you can hope for is 1440p 30fps upscaled to 4k with the PS5 and then native 4k 30 fps with the PS5 Pro
@@k.23_02this is so stupid. it will run it no problem.
@@k.23_02 GTA is never that demanding. Zen 2 is still capable of 60 to 120 fps.
😂
Is a Ps5 pro enough for native psvr2 Resolution without reprojection on AAA titles???😮
Very unlikely, the CPU would likely still be the bottleneck. I'm hoping that the next gen consoles 2026-2028 (whenever they come) they are a huge priority for next gen
@@TTG2025 ps6 will going full ARM SoC, x86 is a big heat producer, using it at physical limit in silicon nanometric scale is a dumb move, going backward at the ps4-xbox one will be the path to downscale the CPU and heat production, to put a bigger GPU (aka graphics), maybe a NVIDIA SoC, they R&D of it is years ahead from AMD, the problem with silicons right now is heat production, and consoles are very narrow in this.
@@Ricardogs I'm sorry but no, I highly doubt Sony or Microsoft will go with ARM SoCs, and Microsoft has a long memory, they have not forgot all that went down between them and Nvidia in the early 2000s. Besides AMD will price match and I expect big things in the next few years from them, they won't lose the console hardware without a serious fight.
If anything, I would expect Sony or Microsoft to look closely at the APUs AMD are putting out, as right now those are some pretty performant parts with only 12CUs at 20-30 watts. I could see a variation of a Strix Point Halo (Sarkak) variant in the next Xbox if it indeed releases in 2026, with a larger GPU and 2nd AI engine for used in AI upscaling and 12 CPU cores vs 16. Consoles, that are not handheld, don't need to run at meager 7-15 watts. 200w in future gaming consoles will be just fine, it might even be a bit less by then, considering that is what a PS5 pulls right now on a relatively large 6nm process.
We don’t need a pro we legit need more games
Think back to 2013. GTA V releases on Sept 17th, approximately 2 months before the PS4/XBox 1.
It released on the X360 and PS3 only.
Then the following year it released on those newer consoles and 6 months later on the pc.
I see GTA 6 releasing eithier April 2025 or Sept 2025.
Gut feeling i see Sony releasing the PS5 Pro November of 2025, after the GTA 6 release, much like 2013.
That is unless the PS5 Pro releases Nov of 2024, and that's the only way i see a GTA6 release on the PS5 Pro, before 2026.
Ps5 pro nov 2024 not 2025
His videos are just him guessing what will happen, but not being confident in his guesses. So he says 1000 times that he doesn't know for sure, and can be wrong, but he's not sure, and he can't confirm anything, all while claiming to have insiders giving him information. So basically the video is pointless because this guy doesn't actually know anything, and admits he doesn't know anything.
He is just milking the hype of ps5.... repeating the same ...bullhit again and again,every week just to get some views.....1% bullhit claim will surely stick and then he will claim. ......i told u ,told u naa
He did the same with PS5 he did say that it was going to be a small powerfull machine, with secret sauce that was going to make it better than any pc. Well not surprised that all of that was big bs 😂😂😂
@@DenzNoble just wait for few months...as soon as sony confirms the pps5 pro....he will be milking ps6...
Gta 6 4k 60fps. Enough for me to buy a ps5 pro if thats true
Keep your hand still.
I'll be at CES. It would be epic if they announced it there. I could only get a confirmation that PS will be there with new stuff. Could be anything though.
Depends on when PS6 is slated for otherwise day 1 for me for the pro 👀
2027/2028
ps6 time limit to launch will be in 2027-2028, maybe a ARM soc with a big GPU, the problem with modern silicon chips is the big heat production at 7nm and lower, so killing x86 will be the choice to gain more raw power and lower heat output.
Zen2 cpu with ddr5 memory? That's custom
PS fans: The XSS holds the XSX back.
Also PS fans: Wow, the Pro looks great.
You guys 😂
They live in cuckooland 🤣
how are u comparing XSS to a ps5 pro.
The reason why XSS is holding XSX back is it low spec that needs to be targeted.
@dante19890 What do you think happens when a PS5 pro comes out? It's the exact same thing. More hardware to target, means more development time. Which in turn, makes the PS5 is a weaker console to deal with. Do you guys think your comments through or?
@@TTG2025 but ps5 will still be the base target that ps5 pro will improve upon.
Its the opposite with series S
@@dante19890exactly! With series S has the lowest target developers need to optimise and spend heck of a lot time because it's weak.
Not the same case with ps5.
The lowest denominator in PlayStation space and xbox space aren't comparable at all,XSS if fundamentally weak and holding back xbox games.
I mean if we see ps4pro that was not that much improvement over ps4 . So now why sony will give that much improvement over ps5 ( just for GTA6 I don't think so might be) and it's not a ps6 or something like that it's just a pro model. If they stick with zen2 and upgrade gpu it will be same situation as ps4pro it was also cpu limited.
Not exactly because of the cpus was unbelievably old in the consoles of that generation. they will only be 1-2 gens behind the gpu class this time.
Closer inspection mitigates a lot of the hype to me. Yes it will be a significant upgrade. Looks like roughly between 6800 and 6800XT performance from a distance, with possibly better ray-tracing. That's still decently large to be sure, but it's not the 3-4 times the uplift we saw on the PS4/XOne refreshes.
I'm not sure it's worth their time bothering with this at this point in the generation. It may merely prompt MS moving to their next generation sooner. Phil Spender has said they have no plans for a mid-gen refresh, regardless of whether Sony chooses to or not. To me that's a hint that they'd rather just bring in their next gen sooner if that's what's needed...and my guess is their next Xbox APU will likely have X3D going on. That's the sort of thing that could really put a PS5Pro on its heels, and Sony would be in a limited position to do anything about that for a while.
Some of what could explain Sony appearing to shift their approach on the GPU end is if AMD is willing to give them a better deal. As we all know, both AMD and Nvidia ended up over-ordering from TSMC as the chip-shortage waned, and AMD may simply need ways to efficiently sell some of that. 6800s were clocked pretty low and as a result they were very power-efficient and cool-running for the performance they made, something Sony's struggled with in the past. TLDR Sony has been pretty shrewd about maintaining profitability with their consoles, and if AMD presents them with a good enough deal, that's probably what they would go with.
And now we're at the end of the video and you're saying 1.5-2x performance uplift, which falls in line with the 6800-6800XT levels I was thinking.
More like a 6900xt
A more likely reason Spencer indicates no interest in a mid-gen upgrade is the lack of a reason for it to exist. 4K TV hit big in the midst of the Xbox One/PS4 generation and became a big marketing target. There is nothing that compelling to the non-enthusiast in the current market. High frame rates are a bit esoteric for the casuals. At the same time, devs are still coming to grips with the PS5 and Series X hardware and much ceiling remains to be exploited. A lot of major dev teams have yet to do a truly native current gen game. We're still seeing a lot of releases that were prototyped on the previous gen platforms.
@@exoticspeedefy79166800 it is.
PS4Pro was 2x PS4, games that ran at 1080p on PS4 were upgraded to 1440p native or 1800p with checkerboarding.
I have zen 3 RDNA 2 so already have a PC that beats the PS5 Pro. And will probably upgrade by the time PS5 Pro launches.
Weird, they wouldn't go with a Lower-Clocked Zen3 or Zen4 based CPU-Core, and get the same performance as a Zen2 based CPU-Core, while saving on Power and Heat. I'd imagine if they replace a 4.3Ghz Zen2 CPU-Core with a 3.5Ghz Zen4 CPU core, it would give the same performance increase wanted while also having newer tech, having lower power and heat, and making the PS5-Pro a sleeker, less cartoonish looking system..I love my games on my PS5, but it's clownish looking.
Zen 2 is more than enough to push 60 to 120 fps depending on resolution and game settings. Cost is the biggest factor. The same with using an advanced node like 5 or 4nm. An 8 core Zen 2 CPU at 4GHz is probably only using 15W maybe less.
@@26Guenter Thank you for enlightening me.
@@26Guenter At 480p maybe lol
@@Spr1ggan87resolution doesn't alleviate cpu bottlenecks brotha
@@Frozoken Never said it did, I just found the notion that Zen 2 is somehow more than enough to push 120fps in modern games hilarious
what are you doing in the gym?
3 Shader Engines with 30 WGP total and 3 disabled makes the most sense. That would make is basically the same as Navi 32. Then the backwards compatibility with PS4(Pro)/PS5 still works and the name 'Trinity' fits perfectly.
Navi32 runs over 2400MHz though
If this ever come out and there is no Xbox series elite Some will buy it only for playing GTA 6 at 60fps since it won't exist on pc for a year or so
huge win for sony
I heard ps5 pro will still play GTA 6 at 30 fps because of the CPU still Zen 2.
very likely, maybe it will have a 40Hz mode, or the 20% increase in frequency could be enough to squeeze a 60fps mode.
ZEN 2 on 4nm? I call bullshit. AMD has no high margin customers for ZEN 2 on 4nm. They already have ZEN 4C for high density applications that aren't overly cache sensitive. That means AMD would have to put the cost of porting ZEN 2 to 4nm entirely on Sony. Even if Microsoft was also sharing the cost, this would add a HUGE added expense to creating mid-gen upgrades which have been for prestige rather than profit centers. The PS$ Pro and Xbox One X were relatively low cost projects because the APU of both platforms had already been moved to 16nm. The two upgrade models were modifications building on that die shrink. AMD was already porting their then CPU and GPU architectures to 16nm, so the bulk of the expense didn't fall on the console makers.
Once the APUs had gotten their die shrinks, the objective was to created expanded versions applying the greater ceiling on die size the shrink has given them. Sony went with a quick and simple approach. Their main addition to the PS4 APU was doubling the CU count. Turning off the second bank of CUs when necessary made for a straightforward backward compatibility. The Xbox One X took a more involved approach, which is why it trailed by a year but delivered better on its goals.
This claimed PS5 Pro spec doesn't follow that pattern or any other rational pattern under the current technical circumstances of the semiconductor business. The 'slim' PS5 was a far more modest die shrink, to the closely compatible TSMC 6nm node. If there is a PS5 Pro in the works, it will also be on this node as so much of the cost is already covered. (It's interesting to consider what could have been done if a die shrink to 4nm for the PS5 was doable at acceptable cost. It could be quite small, similar to a Series S.)
I cannot prove this claim spec doesn't exist but there is ample evidence why it doesn't.
With Overdose being built using Xbox cloud gaming technology, Is this technology what Microsoft is relying on to counter PS5 pro
Also would 3nm versions the Xbox series chip be enough to counter PS5 pro without cloud support
I waiting for a pro to get a ps5+vr2 new revision too!
Zen 4 - 5/RDNA 4 that's custom designed. To get 2X raster this will need to be on TSMC N5, not N6. It's either that or the APU is GIGANTIC.
So, only a couple if-thens but first the historical with this X86-64 project which has worked well. The PS5 came out on a brand new RDNA 2 and 1YO Zen 2. RDNA 4 will be brand new but RDNA 4 is already in development and probably even engineering samples have been made. That's LOTS of time for the hardware devs to get a custom APU using RDNA 4 on TSMC N5. It would even be possible for them to get on N4 because Nvidia will be coming off of it. A year from now, right?
So, it makes NO SENSE to port Zen 2, which has only been ported to N6 if you even want to call that a port since N6 is a variant of N7.
TSMC N5 allows much faster clock speeds as does N4.
So, IF AMD gets out Zen 5 early next year, then the PS5 Pro is probably coming out on Zen 5. No reason to use a 2 YO Zen 4. The amount of R&D time will be plenty sufficient to get onto Zen 5 IF it comes out early 2024. Otherwise it's Zen 4. Or, since it's hard to know if this will be based on TSMC N4 or N5, then you could probably say IF it's on N5, it's Zen 4 and IF it's on N4, then it's Zen 5 as long as it comes out early 2024.
For the graphics it makes no sense to do a LOT of work to it, basically remaking a graphics architecture from an older product. RDNA 3 doesn't even give 2.5X the RT performance boost over RDNA 2. Ir doesn't make sense for AMD to waste a lot of engineering hours working with Sony on anything other than RDNA 4. If it's TRULY 2.5X RT uplift over RDNA 2 (PS5), that's RDNA 4. It makes ZERO sense economically for it to be anything else.
So, consider what happens if Sony releases a PS5 Pro AND it hits the target goals of 2X raster, 2.5X RT, AND it will have AI cores just like RDNA 3/RDNA 4. This will be a bigger seller than the PS5 was. With the continued development of FSR2 and 3, this product will be good enough for that 4K TV. It won't be GREAT, but then consoles never are. It will run 4K @60 fps in many games.
If you want the PS5 Pro to cost $1000 then sure.
You forgot some thing if they go with ZEN5 and RANA 4 do you know how much it costs?? Probably it will be more than 800$ ( obviously it costs them more than that. They get their majority of income by selling games and subscription services) . I mean they might have gone with max out zen2 and max out RDNA2 graphics at start with ps5 if they wanted to because of pricing they took mid range thighs from AMD . So now how are you thinking that they will get all of those new stuff and make what ? pro version of ps5.
@@Noob._gamerconsoles are always sold at huge losses, what's your point?
The companies make it back very quickly,for reference ps5 broke even in just a year of sales.
@@-BarathKumarSConsoles never use cutting edge technology so stop speaking nonsense. People like you spread lies every time a new console comes out and it never ends up being as powerful as frauds like you claim it to be.
@@26Guenter Dude I'm not the one who said 30 WGP, Paul did based on rumors. Why would the CPU architecture make one more expensive? The process node could, but by the end of 2024, different companies are going to be moving onto TSMC N3 so the cost of N4 and N5 won't be the same as it is now, AMD would be a price break on it JUST LIKE they are right now using N7 to make Zen 3 and RDNA 2 which is why AMD can offer both at discounted prices over the last year.
So, the die size would be about the same as it is right now because the CPU die space would be smaller but the GPU die space would be bigger.
Where do you get these figures from?you say “Sources” but unless that person works in PS development then you’re just speculating out of your ass, none of this have been proven 😅
Of course, that is why it is called a *rumor*
Ok hear me out, this guy reminds me of that one guy from top gear. Not Ina bad way tho.
Like the video
Take a shot everytime he says Tom Henderson.
If these consoles were as open as PC's I would love to buy one. GPU's are retarded expensive.
From a security standpoint, a closed system is a huge advantage. I never worry about malware or ransomware on my console.
@@toastyburgerAs long as your not going on malicious sites that’s not a problem. Thanks for confirming you know nothing about PC’s at all. Let’s also not forget that Sony has been hacked before putting Millions of owners information in jeopardy.
@@toastyburger You can do much more on a PC though, mods, and downloading music...all the things you can do on a PC.
@@oswaldmosley6179 and cheaters, right now crossplay is full of it, some times a closed system/ecosystem is the choice, many PC cheaters had their modem and PC wide open, then going their zombie PC to DDoS attacks other service/computers
If that's all the technical power that the Playstation Pro is going to have then I'm just going to save my money for something more important. The Pro model just doesn't have the power or the technical specs to get me interested in spending another five hundred dollars or more to have another 10 to 15 fps in game's. Sony should reconsider both the specs and whether or not to even release a Pro model considering the economical and world ending war's that happening.
ps5 with path tracing pls
Lol absolutely not
Ditto above no chance.
@@colinbrydon7659 how about consoles just getting 4K 60 first my guy, what a let down we’re going back to 30 fps lol
Current gen so weak, upscalingto quality mode @1440-1800 ish at 30fps (not going to even native resolutions), and no retracing or cutting detail just to get it smooth. Performance mode 1080p at 60fps. So glad I don’t play consoles this gen.
@@colinbrydon7659 these can consoles can do 1440-4K 60 easily but these 3rd party devs push everything on consoles for no reason. 1st party devs already been pushing 60 fps running at least 1440p upscaled.
tbh it doesn't look good, same CPU just clicked to 4.5gh so if you oc yours in the pc you know that this will barely lift the performance, and if you will look at the games which are using CPU then this machine won't be able to deliver stable 60fps lol GTA 6 will stuck at 30 anyway with 1440p , and the thing is that pro is coming just to keep that sweet spot Res, which is 1440p people thinks that this will deliver 4k with flawless 60 while the base Res will be 1440p the difference will be with more visible RT and that's it, that's the purpose of new ps5 to keep up with RT
The performance they need to lift is not really the issue with the CPU across the board. It is the GPU that needs to be upgraded significantly to achieve what I'm assuming Sony is going for, 4k/60fps with RT enabled. Additionally, if you don't believe that a Zen 2 CPU clocked upwards of 25% faster won't pay dividends, well, I think you are mistaken, especially in the few examples that are CPU bound.
Breath buddy......breathe
Well they put 8k on base ps5 so here goes 10k for ps5pro at least Xbox didn't slap 8k on front of series x box
The Tegra X1 in the Switch supports 4K output does that mean that games run at 4K lol. Output resolution and native resolution in games are two completely different things.
Yeah baby I knew it PS5 Pro plus GTA 6 thats the way while pc guys begging a decent port for GTA 6 fon pc years later meanwhile all gamers on console Enjoying it.
Easy language, PS5 pro will be close to RX6800 (non XT) with the same CPU like standard PS5, this console will be good 1440p 60 fps machine. Standard PS5 is close to RX6650XT 1080p gpu. That's why PS5 upscale image from 1080p or lower or max 1440p to 4k in 30 or 60 fps depends of game! Still RDNA2 gpu-s like RX6800XT or RX6950XT will be much faster than PS5 Pro.....
PS5 PRO Better have improved online split screen capabilities because the ps5 is a shit at that.
If Sony doesn't get Mesh Shaders and stay with Primitive Shaders that extra power isn't going to amount to much in UE5 games and may still result in worst quality than XSX and that hate will fall right onto developers. Also R* studio head was asked about PS6 and he said wouldn't make much difference at this point so maybe it's 60fps anyway Digital Foundry Alex said you can see FSR1 at play in the trailer so if they lowered the internal red down to 700p like Jedi Survivor and reconstruct to 1440p they can get 60fps plus i think the density of crowds and traffic will be gone by 2025 probably not even hit the polishing phase yet.
UE5 doesnt use mesh shaders. Mesh Shaders is just culling. Ps5 has its own engine for doing that
Maybe Sony will reveal the ps5 pro when the switch 2 comes out
Hope to play GTA 6 at native 4k 30 fps or 1440p 60 fps on a ps5 pro in the future
The PS5 Pro will not do native 4K for new triple A games. It will do 1440p checkerboard upscaling to 4k at 30fps.
Another rambling video. Why do you keep posting videos like this?
haha! Only 14.33T compared to PS5 10.3T, less than 40% GPU power increase, and less than 20% GPU lift compared to XSX. What a great upgrade Sony!
I prefer to watch these news here cause the rest of the youtubers know nothing about what the specs mean.
Seems like they’re stuck in the 16 vs 32 vs 64 bit era.
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he doesnt know either. Just making stuff up
@@dante19890 he’s been accurate in the past and he was accurate during the PS5 rumors…
@@SoteroA he is wrong about most things
Time to build a PC
How do we force retailers to sell these properly to avoid scalping and supply shortages. It could be as simple as 1 unit per retailer per shippung address.
I honestly don't understand how hyped people get over 4 year old gpu, and a 5 year old CPU hardwaare being released as 'new'.
Sorry.
You could literally buy a zen 3 and RDNA 3 card for the same price as a ps pro...
Delay the PS6 to give programmers more time to flex those compilers.
ps6 will be launch en 2027-2028, 5 years cycle are things of the past, since xbox 360 the develop timing to launch another console with different architecture is 7 years, and 10 years to stop development of AAA-AA crossgen games.
@@Ricardogs New XBOX in 2026 though
@@Ricardogs 5 year cycles are what we need. All games run on x86 and variants of desktop GPUs. We don't need 7-8 year cycles for console hardware. We need shorter cycles, as games will play on both a PS5 and PS6 one just at 30fps most likely. Or, we turn the industry on its head and come out with a console that is set on the CPU side for the better part of the decade and make replacement GPUs for it. Oh wait, that is called a PC. 😉
At that point just buy a pc
This "refresh" only makes sense if they ran through their entire silicon inventory, and needed to buy more to fill the gap. 100% if this is Zen 2, it's barely going to be an upgrade worth mentioning at all...
I don't agree, as 120fps is still the target, these CPUs, especially at 4ghz, should be more than enough for that task. The GPU is where it will count most, if they are truly pushing RT with a pro. Sure, RT is CPU intensive, but 4k/60fps with RT is the target, and _should_ be doable with perhaps some help from fixed hardware AI upscaling.
My lord you use "beastly" a bit too loose here lol
The GTA6 trailer was full of visual trickery. If you still frame it at 4k on a big screen you can see bad textures and distant objects in the beach scene are splodgy rubbish.
PS5 Pro will be able to run true 8k with 120 fps and full ray tracing. No fan noise and no coil whine. SSD will have the optimal size of 1825 Gb. It will cost about 649 USD, the horizontal stand costs 29 USD and the vertical one will costs 39 USD. The new Dual sense version with the touch screen + bling bling buttons will start at around 89 USD. All PSN tiers will get a price increase of about 10%. Same for the Games.
Whilst a £6-7k PC with the highest specs in the world will only do 4K native, MAX SETTINGS, RETRACING AND 150-200fps. Delusional doesn’t even come close, try it might hit 60fps at 1440
Nah with a RTX 4090 for about €2k it is possible to have around 120 fps and 4k. So the PC should cost around €3k.
@@e_326 why the hell would you spend £1000 or 1000 euro on the balance of a pc. What makes a pc isn’t just the gpu. A great system with a 4090 you’re looking about 4.5k. Then there’s a few different options which rack up the cost including water cooling. The most expensive Rtx is about £2500 in the uk.
@@colinbrydon7659 watercooling is not required it is only something that hardcore PCMR guys use. Also the 1000€ extra includes all the other stuff like CPU, RAM etc. So all in all €3k and you have ur 4k 120fps experience. Of course much more expensive than just buying a console.
@@e_326 no water cooling is just to look cool. Spend a thousand for some slimmer green liquid, but no in all seriousness you get what you pay for so for a cpu/motherboard your looking at £1000, power supply £300 fans £200 cables £100, case £300ish, cpu cooler (if not liquid) £300 accessories probably another £100 ssd £150 memory £300. Speaking first hand and building yourself.
If you want cheap because it’s got a 4090 with 120fps 😂 if buy above and I push 200+ fps on some games at 4K and max every setting.
Nah i still Buy PC because it's will help me earn money
Consoles will finally get the smoke and mirrors trick called frame generation well in holiday 2024😂. Meanwhile you you could have played with ps6/pro like graphics on PC since 2022. Life is too short to wait for the Consoles to catch up!
Life is too short to deal with atrociouse DRMs, bad ports and multiple launchers that require online checks. Oh and UE shader compilation stutters😂
Who hurt you?
Frame Gen is pointless unless you are running at a minimum of 60, if it drops below that the input delay will be insane
@KTK-o it's true you have to pick your poison to be a beta tester. Wait for shader compilation a few minutes or wait a decade to be older for consoles to catch up. 😉. I'm hoping that Unreal engine gets their sh!t together by then.
@@aberkae let's not forget the other things besides the shader comps stutters;)
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Pro consoles are the overpriced, stop gap, least supported consoles. You only have to wait a year and a bit before the hype/release of next gen starts making Pro a waste of you going to buy a next gen.
Also just look at Nintendo - the Switch is doing fine. The consoles we have now are good enough and no real need to push for mid systems which also fragments consumers.
Ps5 pro with those specs and no upscaling technology is DOA. No one is spending 500-600 on a console with the same cpu from four years ago and mediocre gpu improvements.
CPU doesn’t really need a big bump at all to keep up in 4k gaming. It’s the GPU that’s heavily lacking on ps5 and xsx.
@@kcfreetime if ps5 pro can’t guarantee 4k 60fps on gta 6 because of a cpu bottleneck then it does need a big bump lol
@@kcfreetime and even beyond gta 6 every game should be able to do 4k 60fps. The main issue with the ps4 pro was that it was an overclocked ps4 gpu so you had a massive cpu bottleneck with no 60fps games.
@@Entertainment-ev6obDude your not getting guaranteed any resolution lmao. Games are hardware are not locked to a resolution it depends on the hardware and the games. Also this is a half generation console not a PS6. Your a clown for expecting a next generation leap.
@@ZackSNetwork Xbox one x was a 4k 60fps device and so is ps5 for some games ps5 pro has to guarantee it. Ps6 will be 8k 60fps path tracing lol
Calling it now,
Overclocked the CPU to the 4Ghz or higher mark, good for marketing.
20GB of RAM with a 320bit memory bus
RX 7800 XT GPU
im not going to buy a playstation ever again. i am not buying something just to have sony decide they are going to remove it from my library with no compensation
Not to mention anything worth a damn on the ps5 eventually makes its way to PC anyway.
@@Shieftaintrue, like Bloodborne... Oh wait...
@@_Chad_ThunderCock lol I said PS5, not PS4. Learn to read, weeb.
@@Shieftainfalse
I haven't bought Sony since they decided to remove Linux and SACD playback on the original Phat PS3. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy any of Gate's stuff either.
Do you need some donations to buy a brush and a shampoo? Damn, so embarassing
The GTA6 trailer was full of visual trickery. If you still frame it at 4k on a big screen you can see bad textures and distant objects in the beach scene are splodgy rubbish.