In which way? Guys tech talk from years back is still used today in developing games and how to approach the cycle of creation regarding the above but to each their own @@NoradNoxtus
PS5 for dynamic 4K 30fps gaming and PS5 Pro for dynamic 4K 60fps gaming. Won't strain devs, since base is PS5, and PS5 Pro will just easily scale up without dipping below 60fps.
dynamic 4k is a misnomer. no ps5 game runs at native 4k, everything works on upscaling tech and the image while having a lower quality always maintains 4k, which would not be true for dynamic resolution. and i also don't think it's "easy" to scale up but it's probably what will happen. 1080p-1440p upscale to 4k for ps5 and 1800p upscale to 4k for ps5 pro, not alot of other improvments unfortunately
@@NoradNoxtus ps6 should be able to run every ue5 game at 4k60fps without any excuses, but when the next gen ue6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro
there is not a single game sold only on PS4 pro, that is strictly the same game bought once on PS4, the principle being to allow automatic and FREE updates by blowing up the limits : framerate, resolution, raytracing. and do not try to mix everything, there are FREE updates from PS4 to ps5 and some paid updates with a real re-work faces, animations, textures on Some of their Blockbusters. Last of Us Part 1 is still a special case with a deep remaster of the form, yes qualified of Remake. and so what other game ?? Spiderman 1 and Demon's Souls... Yep that's all.
@@omegasword2703 optimized system and Games, Plug and Play without a crappy Windows and many drivers to update each month ... has a cost, and $450 with a Dualsense is very cheap price ! Yup stable 60fps, and option 90 fps VRR on their Big Blockbusters. But fine if you prefer to spend way more than $3000 to a PC and play on 28" monitor.
Problem, thwir AAA games feel like AA games now, god of war was underwelming, horizon was a flol, spiderman was woke and short, thats 3 strikes already, Im only looking foward towarss ghost of tushima 2 and GTA 6.....
My problem with a ps5 pro is that I'm not confident that enough games will be updated to take full advantage of the hardware. 1st party games, sure, but most 3rd party games will be locked to the same framerate and resolution as before. This is why I've been saying that VRR and unlocked framerate modes should have been a standard since the beginning of this generation.
lol the developers can simply put a small patch to put VRR and unlock frame rates for the PS5 pro, or sony could have a chip built-in to override it so developers dont even have to do anything.
There is plenty for games what have VRR enabled and its uncapped. Just having a ps5 pro will already take advantage of plus any games that already can’t hit their target frames
In the PS4 days the cry was to lock framerates. "A locked 30fps is so much better than a framerate that bounces from 30 to 50." Then the PS5 came out and we're stuck with 30fps forevermore. So yeah, giving the option to unlock framerates is forward thinking.
The difference is the series s is the base model. Devs have to downgrade their games to make it work there. Devs don’t have to do anything to make their game run on ps5 pro.
@@tmckain5532well ps5 is nothing like 4, it's already powerful. So Devs don't have to work as hard to figure that out. With ps5 pro...that variant will be such a small performance jump (just to get 4k 60fps capability) from OG ps5, personally I wouldn't recommend it. PS6 is the console to patiently wait for.
@@Soraviel so you like spending more on less games. Did the 30% ps+ price increase make you happy? Maybe it's the console price increase with a stand that's sold seperately that did it for you. Spider man 2 barely made its budget back. Sony is in big trouble.
@@tmckain5532 "Spider-Man 2 barely made its budget back" It was only out for less than a month and made its budget back, and the leaks didn't include Holiday sales (Black Friday and December), as the documents were made prior to that. 😂 You fanboys will latch onto anything won't you. Just like Insider Gaming debunking the narrative that Ratchet & Clank RA lost $8 million, when it in fact made a profit. Also, even after the 33% increase in PS+'s yearly cost, its tiers are still significantly cheaper than GamePass... Let that sink in. Let that hurt go.
@@tmckain5532 It's 100% true according to what Digital Foundry was told by Microsoft. They were told that the Series S is the base model, and the Series X is essentially their upgrade. Games on Series S have many downgrades from their PS5/ Series X counterparts. Missing performance options, lacking Ray Tracing, lowered resolution and effects... hell, in Baldur's Gate 3, the Series S is missing co-op because the system doesn't have enough memory. The PS5 Pro will require no extra effort as the PS5 is the lowest common denominator and it's an already great starting point. Literally the only thing devs will have to do is allow the system to brute force dynamic resolutions and performance to a higher metric. In games with RT they'd simply increase the RT effects, and would probably forgo FSR if their new solution is better. Optimizing these games on the PRO will only bring even better results.
My biggest concern is the CPU won't be enough to reach 60 fps. As a consumer, I want the Pro to give me an uptick in performance and visuals. For Sony, I think the Pro model needs to be a test bed for technologies that speed up game development (ray tracing and the geometry engine). They really need to cut development costs and timelines if they want to "dominate" gaming. There are only around 150 million console gamers, a figure that hasn't grown since the PS2 days. Sony needs to focus on making that addressable market sustainable, and not just pursue the 1 billion mobile gamers.
It already reaches 60 and 120 on normal ps5 so with a much more powerful GPU taking load off the CPU and a higher clock on the CPU, you'll easily get 60 and 120 options in basically every game.
Based on Sony's decision to release the PS5 Pro, I think they do fully intend to release games for this generation well into 2028. Xbox will probably introduce their next gen by 2027 since they do not intend to increase performance this gen.
If developers are forced to develop for the base PS5 having this upgrade will be cool but not necessary. It will be held back anyway so whats the point . Even if PS6 will be held back cause they make games for previous generations and thats why we are stuck woth COD being the same game for the past 4 years to be as inclusive as possible
It's not my kind of thing but I agree PS5 Pro would be a good welcome to PSVR2, bumping those lower performance games, have more 120hz modes in other games, increase resolution on some and maybe even bump some to 140 Hz cause lately that's the trend on latest 4K gaming TVs... Oh and I forgot to say also would be a good welcome to improve ray-tracing quality/performance.
Spiderman 1, with Miles Morales release, Last of Us Part 1 and Demon's Souls, and that's it. Yep we heard about Horizon Zero Dawn, but we already know all the rework they are capable to add, as we've seen the Masterpiece Horizon Forbidden West... Include Big improvement on NPC and IA. Sony updates some of their masterpiece, as they see fit. yes it is also a money facility, but always justify by their work
Dead Space remake and RE4 remake are two of the three best games I played this year. Nothing wrong with remakes if done well. But yes new IP's is always preferred.
This probably won't happen but it would be nice if there was a first party shooter with a great online multiplayer. Maybe even a COD competitor. For me all the third person adventure games are getting old. Plus the latest CODs have been disappointing.
So you still want it. They both try to dominate. Thats the base of competition. So far xBox has been gotten slapped by PS5. But they both try. Thats what make them compete in the first place
@@joshuabonorino9561ps5pro will help psvr2 A LOT..... There are also like 5 ps5 only games, Xbox has zero Xbox x only games.... Sony has tried to get the best outta the console and has vr another reasons to upgrade... Now Xbox has none of the reasons...
It sounds like the same type of setup forumula Sony did with the PS4 Pro. That was a notable improvement over the base, but it did have clear limitations due to the same yet upclocked CPU . I expect the PS5 Pro will be the same thing. It'll be good, affordable but it won't be an overly powerful machine..
I've got different feelings about the PS5 Pro. Since the beginning of the PS5 gen i've been saying we won't get a PS5 Pro. Because the PS4 Pro was catered towards gamers who had 4K tv's (which already was very "niche" at that point in time.) Now though, everyone has a 4k tv and some even have 8k tv's. So my thoughts have been changing. Also because of the leaks and rumors that there is actually a PS5 Pro in the works. So at this moment in time. I'm thinking okay, there will be a PS5 Pro but it has to do things that the PS5 can't. But it also can't disrupt the plans for a PS6. So my thoughts are: - Consistent native 4k@60 fps.(Maybe with some kind of ray-tracing. Most-likely possible with first/second party studio's.) - Some kind of 4k (be it DLSS, checkerboarding,... ) with 120fps & ray-tracing. - All of the above but without ray-tracing? - 1 or 2TB storage. (By now, even the 2TB storage are getting cheaper and cheaper.) - Maybe a high enough USB-C external output so that we can play our PS5 games from an external SSD/NVME. The other technical specs, i leave to the TH-cam channels like RedGamingTech because they get most of the information first hand anyway. Or at least from some of the insiders. My only hope is that it will be silent again like the PS5 is. And not a jet-engine like the PS4 Pro was!
We'll all buy it if it runs GTA6 at 60fps!! However ill probably get it anyway to play VR at better resolutions without reprojection. RE4 and 8 will be incredible on it.
Sony has the most exclusive games out of any of the big 3. That's the reason why it just sold over 50 million ps5, and is the leader in gaming right now. This according to xbox themselves.
if gta6 can run at 60 fps in ps5 pro , they will have plenty of customers... also i think PS5 pro will run FR3 properly, FSR3 need 60 fps to run properly...RT will also be improved...i will buy ps5 pro for sure if it is a real improvement...
This will only help with sustained resolutions and framerates higher. Nothing revolutionary like how RT is introduced (albeit first gen) for the first time in over 35 years of gaming on home console. Maybe improved RT.
It's almost like the generation isn't over, and those meaningful changes only come when the next consoles pop up, like ps6 and Xbox series whatever will be called. Also, if it means the difference betwen playing GTA 6 at 30fps or 60fps, then I will be selling my xsx and getting a ps5 pro day one.
I have the feeling i wasted 26minutes of my life and like you spoke 26minutes without any new information. Why are you repeating so much stuff every time in every video? Anyway, merry christmas guys
why would they bother with extra 4GB DDR5 ram? If they aim of this system is to simply run PS5 base code at a higher FPS, then there is no need for extra memory, is there? Im not talking about bandwidth, just the memory size increase. The base PS5 system has no memory issues when it comes to OS.
Ps5 pro will probably just make it so that games dont have to do "fidelity" or "performance" anymore but can have the best of both. 4k with raytracing at 60fps. Its literally just a graphic setting for devs to toggle. I dont see most games taking full advantage of the ps5 pro, but a couple games might utilize it more than simply bumping 30fps up to 60fps.
That's fine, I have ps5 and PC set up, I will not be purchasing ps5 pro. It's not worth it. Ps5 pro should be for people that didn't purchase OG ps5 or ps5 slim in my opinion. Ps5 pro or even ps4 pro is extremely niche as well.
You said there will not be anything generational added to the ps5 pro but what about the rumors that cerny has been working on his own version of dlss ai technology in physical form not just software. Could be ps6 though but maybe the first version will be tested on the ps5 pro. Especially if MS is actually planning to start next Gen early.
We've seen the patents years earlier that coroberate the rumors of a dlss like ai chip built by Sony. Pretty sure Sony are aware that amds upscaling is a dud. Upscaling is the future
Microsoft have proven they're not messing around and they're set on spending Sony out of the market. If Sony are to survive they need to absolutely crush Xbox this generation and force Microsoft to rethink their gaming strategy.
😂 Sony has no chance. It's over already, they have a PS5 Pro and Xbox has PC . PC is better than PS5 Pro already just imagine when the 50 series cards hit.
@@Velly2g that's utter nonsense. If anyone owns PC gaming it's Valve. Microsoft get no cut of PC sales on Steam, they get no subscription for multiplayer and very few people use Game Pass on PC.
@@scottdove7358 it's only 7 to 1 in places like Europe. It's 3 to 1 world wide this year. They have to make sure that continues once all Microsoft's bought up studios start pumping out exclusives. The best way to do that is make sure massive third party games like GTA VI run better on their system. If Microsoft see they spent $80bn only to do worse than the Xbox One they'll give up and walk away.
I’d say outselling your closest rival 2:1 is dominating. Even if said rival keeps bouncing to different metrics for determining growth. First it was console hardware sales, then it was subscription sales, now it’s ‘x amount of players played said game’ (which counts anyone who downloads a game, plays it for an hour, realizes it’s trash and deletes it, btw). I wonder what the next metric buzzword will be when this formula doesn’t pan out any longer 🤔
@@wingedhussar1453 You have to read the date in which their concern was a thing. This was before the CMA hearings, before PS signed a 10 year deal for CoD, and before MS had to relinquish the control of their cloud gaming division to Ubisoft. That's why the leak mentions "2027". It was the original 3 year deal that MS offered them for ABK titles. That deal now stretches to 2035, and there are extreme limits to what MS can do with ABK's console based properties. They'll have CoD until the end of the PS6 generation. So it's going to be a long road for Xbox before PS has to worry about that. I don't think MS will even have a console at that point
I personally would welcome the release of a PS5P - it would give me an excuse to buy another console so I can quit sharing the damn PlayStation with my kids: that has been by single biggest impediment to gaming this current console generation, is the fact that my three daughters are now old enough to be obsessed with the PS five as well, and it’s a constant battle to get on the damn thing now!
The 3090 will most likely be more capable far as raw power but the "better graphics" more so come down to resources ($$) and dev talent before hardware is factored into the equation
Yes better graphics but not better optimization and honestly optimization is always better, thats why consoles are so worth the money, you get a massive “bang for your buck”
This may do more harm to Sony than good, and certainly give Microsoft a significant chance to outdo them. Sony have been misdirected for a while, pricing themselves out of their own market, for the first time ever console sales remain high, but people aren’t buying games. Games have significantly increased in price resulting in a UK law suit. And Sony themselves have reported lack of sales. People are to focused on graphics and not on quality of games. The PS5 Pro is to late in cycle to be of any value, and they should really be looking at next gen now. Tech has significantly changed and the PS5 has yet to be pushed, let alone a Pro.
If Sony isn’t going to put out another console until 2028 will the pro be enough of a bridge for gamers until PlayStation 6 if Xbox is planning on skipping their pro version and going straight into their next generation earlier want they have a bigger jump on technology in their console between that gap over Sony will that change how Sony looks at this or will it even matter or will it be this leap frog type of thing from now on is this going to be the new norm for Xbox to reveal their consoles years before Sony so they aren’t really competing anymore or is this a one off thing. I can see the good and bad in this choice but I could be just over thinking this but I worry about both becoming lazy without no competition but this could have its benefits not having to purchase both consoles around the same time could have some advantages but want this add more work for developers if they split it up like this or will the consoles still be on equal footing or do you think that will change to if they start releasing earlier than Sony .
Non of this make any sense financially. They would have to price this so high that you may as well get a pc. I would never pay more than 500 for a pitiful ass console
@@tmckain5532 Dude the deal was done years ago! All they were doing was finalizing it so they could proceed with isolating the technology and infrastructure around cloud based gaming and software development. ABK and Microsoft have very much been in bed together for a long time and all the deal was doing was to keep the company a domestically controlled asset.
@@aaronclay4665 why lie? Also, i have a ps5 as well. It is just a really disappointing console. I canceled ps+ because it's a complete rip off. They had ONE first party exclusive this year and it was woke garbage. If they start charging 100 for games i will sell this paperweight.
The Ps4 could play all the games the Ps4 pro could . There really was a small percentage of Ps4 games that were enhanced for the Ps4pro . Case in point , both RDR2 and witcher 3 play at 1080p/30fps if you had the Ps4 or Ps4 pro . Just keep the Ps5 if you own one until the Ps6 comes out .
@@Crashed131963it will be a very small upgrade from vanilla ps5, since vanilla ps5 is already powerful enough anyway. Just like ps4 pro, ps5 pro will be niche (yes thousands will buy it), but I expect vanilla ps5 consoles to sell the most over the pro variant.
Only reasons I can see for a pro version of ps5 to be released are PS6 running behind schedule PS6 being held back to see what MS have either more solid leaks or launched. Price of what specification they want to release ps6 as may be too high at present, so release an enhanced PS5 as pro wait till silicon prices drop then release ps6 with big jump in performance that nocks MS Xbox out cold. It shouldn't be any harder to develop games for pro ps5 as those that develope the software for pcs have to look at AMDs big Ryzen cpu line up and Radeon ranges, throw in intels CPUs & GPUs & Nvidia GPUs it's harder all ps5 pro will have to do is sense the better hardware and load better textures or lighting effects the actual game play won't change it might pushout more frames per second&look better and old games should work as hardware not that different at worst might need a small patch downloaded to make it use enhanced hardware present.
Games to look forward to: FF 7 rebirth Daba land of waterscar Rise of ronin Wolverine Gta 6 The inquisitor Dragons dogma 2 Crimson desert Phantom blade zero Dragonage dreadwolf Chrono odyssey Lost soul aside Black myth wukong Granblue fantasy relink Elden ring DLC "Ps5 has few games and nothing in the future" 😂 I just named the ones i personally are looking to play, stop with the "we need more exclusives" Games are games no mather the platform, you already bought a ps5 stop trying to justify it, i did it for you. These ungrateful kids...
i don't see the purpose of the mid gen refresh. not really that much more powerful than a normal ps5. majority of people won't even see a difference. ue5 games will run at 1080p internally instead of 720p. console still WAY to weak for things like pathtracing. even normal raytracing probably often won't be doabloe because the GPU is too weak.
Depends on price. Casual gamers play on consoles because they are cheap to buy . A $700 Ps5 Pro will not cause casual gamers to trade in their $500 Ps5s. It's the reason the XBox-S sell well. People want to play new AAA games for $300 not $500 . It's not that they do not have $500 to spend ,they just prefer to spend $300 of it .
@@ElPibePlay1000 The smallest screen I could stand to play a game on is no smaller than 42 inches . People playing a game on a tiny phone screen is just strange to me .
There are many reasons people choose to game on a console. For example, I might want my kids on a console rather than running rampant on the internet. Or I might have security concerns about gaming on a PC. Or maybe I'm a technophobe. Or a Microsoft hater. The Xbox Series S shows that the market for a cheap console isn't all that great (around 13 million?), while Sony's experience with the PS4 Pro must have shown the market for a premium console was worth addressing.
This guy already knows that it only takes some rumors of Playstation hardware to get traffic to is channel. Playstation fanboys go flocking with the hope some of it is remotly true
The mid-gen upgrades of the last generation were a unique set of circumstances. It wasn't the first of their kind. Consider way back, when NEC produced the SuperGrafx upgrade to the PC Engine. This ran everything the PC Engine and CD-ROM add-on did, plus supported several improvement for devs to utilize. This lead to a grand total of six native SuperGrafx games. The problem was that this was pre-internet and re-writable storage being a standard element of a game console. This meant upgrades for an existing game were not possible unless you simply shipped a separate SKU into stores. This left little incentive for PC Engine owners to upgrade, as their existing library wouldn't benefit. By comparison, the Xbox One X gave a very considerable improvement in the number of games improved for their past purchasers at no cost to them beyond buying the One x itself. So, this is why we didn't see upgrade models for machines like the PS1, PS2, and others of that era. The console where it might have been possible is the original Xbox but it would have been a inconvenient method as the hard drive in that was more for caching and saves than for full game installs with online purchases. The PS3 and Xbox 360 generation was the first where all the pieces were in place to make it happen but there wasn't any real motivation for it. Sony knew early into the PS3's lifespan they were not going to continue with the CELL processor development, as it never delivered on its promise and neither partner company, Toshiba and IBM, were inclined to continue with CELL. At the same time, Microsoft saw that PowerPC was looking like a dead end for their needs. Neither company wanted to invest in improving the chip set of their current machine beyond die shrinks, focusing on entirely new designs going forward. The PS4 and Xbox One generation also saw the rapid rise of 4K TV in the market. This meant a big market opportunity, though the eventual mid-gen upgrade models were not big money makers in of themselves, they were good for helping to promote the platforms in general. Microsoft was a bit more proactive in supporting 4K and HDR, making those features of the Xbox One S for UHD video playback. This was consistent with Microsoft being more supportive of non-gaming uses of their consoles, for what it was worth in the long run. The 16nm die shrinks of the PS4 and Xbox One were already underway and both teams of engineers knew how much added ceiling they had for adding to the APU at a much lower cost than an entirely new design. In that one moment in time, mid-gen upgrades made sense to produce. Today, this isn't as apparent. Any new models that are reasonably priced, both in in engineering cost and MSRP, are going to be difficult to demonstrate to casuals as to what big improvement they offer to the games.
Zen 5 launches 2024, Zen 6 probably the beginning of 2026, but Zen 5 is the main core architecture upgrade, just like Zen 3 was (and why Zen 2 CAN'T be in PS5P as it's too slow as in two generations of CORE upgrades behind Zen 5) On the CPU front if the PS5P uses Zen 5 and Xbox next gen uses Zen 6, those are basically the same cores anyway so Microsoft won't have an advantage there. Zen 6 will make architectural improvement mostly to the SoC not the cores as has been talked about (AMD's tic toc model) So this is going to play out in the graphics area. Sony would be using RDNA 4 and Microsoft RDNA 5. RDNA 4 supposedly has issues with the MCM architecture they wanted to use for discrete desktop GPUs, but that problem should have no bearing on a custom APU AMD could make. IF Sony does indeed go with Zen 5/RDNA 4 it might be almost as good as XBox using Zen 6/RDNA 5 without knowing how much improvement there will be to the overall graphics architecture, once again ignoring the top end since these would be custom APUs using a single die, MAYBE two if they break up the cores from the graphics. Sony could come out the big winner if RDNA 5 isn't much better than RDNA 4 at the low end, because in this case putting out a console in 2028 for the PS6 is going to bring a LOT of improvement over what could come out in 2025. IF these rumors are true PS5P is going to suck balls, Sony will get a bad reputation for putting out a ball sucking PS5P and it will make it much easier for Microsoft to dominate the console market when they put out their next gen in 2025 which would SMOKE the PS5P. The rumors don't make sense. I don't see why AMD would want to port Zen 2 to TSMC N5/N4. That's just stupid. And PLEASE don't make a stupid remark about how using the same CPU could aid in blah blah blah because no it doesn't. Programmers don't program to a SPECIFIC CPU and never have unless they're writing a compiler or wrote code before high level languages existed. I mean that's why you HAVE high level languages. The compiler is what matters, so there is only DISADVANTAGES sticking with Zen 2. AFAIK Zen 2 only exists on TSMC N7/6. And if AMD were to stick with those nodes I don't see how they get 30WGPs in a custom APU. That's 7800 XT territory. That would be a BIG ASS DIE on N7/N6.
I still find it extremely hard to believe in ZEN2 on 4NP. Any mid-gen upgrade is likely to be on 6NP, which Sony already has the baseline APU shipping on. In all likelihood, any PS5 Pro is going to be a more modest upgrade than what is being touted with no evidence for and much against.
@@Mysticalii GTA V launched about the time the PS4 did, and it's up to the game developers to patch it or not. Previous GTA games have had "deals" with Sony so I would not be surprised for a 60 FPS mode, as Sony is pretty much going to be marketing this game. Making it 60 FPS would be their best bet at selling this console. If not, it will be more niche than it is. Only for enthusiasts who want higher fidelity games.
Optimized system and Blockbusters as Games ! everything plug and Play, with insane Dualsense or PSVR2... it's True and Palpable things ! Yep I will spend years on GT7 and No Man's Sky in VR OLED hdr.. 😊🎉
I dont like the strategy MS went with it personally I don't think we need new hardware PS5 is a powerful console we haven't seen whats possible really yet but if we are getting into pro models I prefer Sonys way... launch a new generation console then a pro model 3 or 4 years later. Having a weaker system and more powerful one at launch hampers the entire generation imo
Actually, the Series S hampered nothing. That's simply an excuse Sony fans use to distract attention away from the real culprit. The PS4 Pro. This is still a viable console and many games are still being released for it. And with the numbers of PS4s sold, it is a console that cannot be ignored, especially given the rising price of development. If devs are still developing games to run on the PS4, they aren't going to include next gen only features. The Series S, conversely, has every next gen feature available to the Series X...meaning it has more capability, more next gen features than the PS5. What it lacks is memory - but if the devs actually do their jobs and optimize the game for the Series S and don't try to make the Series S sling around 4k graphics at 60FPS, there should be more than enough memory. And despite Sony fans mentioning games such as Baldurs Gate 3, the actual developers of those games have contradicted the current wisdom. The Series S has the tools and feature set to run next gen games, and so long as you are willing to accept the lower graphical fidelity there is nothing a PS5 or XBX can do that the XBS cannot. The decisions to launch a "pro" model after just 4 or 5 years last gen, however, essentially reset the clock. In some ways it was necessary as both the PS4 and XB1 launched underpowered but the Pro models were effectively a new generation unto themselves and it is only now that those models are being truly superseded by the PS5. One big issue with the PS5 Pro is that if Sony really does launch an upgraded model next year, then the same problem will repeat. PS 6 games will be held back because the PS5 Pro will still remain a capable platform. Games will therefore be designed not to take full advantage of the PS6 hardware and featureset precisely because developers will need to sell to the PS5 Pro users to maintain profitability. XBox and MS has a large number of teams who won't have the same restrictions. They'll be able to make better advantage of their next gen system and developers will be able to transition much sooner if their games demand those features. Sony will likely fire back with yet more anti-competitive tech equivalency clauses but Sony is starting to get into enough trouble with regulators and has other problems it needs to worry about.
So they been working on the wolverine game and the ghost of tsushina sequel.......Sony has had plenty of new games this gen 10 or more big games... Wtf are u on about?
If the pro is 500 with a disc drive and launches with no ai upscaling then perhaps Sony is working directly with amd to improve FSR for a fsr 4.0 launch alongside the pro. If it’s to the level of DLSS 3.0 by then then Sony wouldn’t need there own solution.
As CPU and GPU capability improves devs just get lazier and lazier on optimization, an iterative jump i hardware will probably yield at or near the same results nevermind that devs will do the bare minimum to make sure their game runs across A "Family" of hardware. Sony needs to open it's content to PC players much more widely and become "Hardware Agnostic".
Game developer's only care about sales number. Casual gamers vastly outnumber serious gamers and they play on consoles or lower mid PCs. The Majority buy more $70 games than the Minority high end PC gamers will .
I doubt this will happen, Sony of course will port some of their games to PC, but... I do not see Sony becoming agnostic with their gaming assets at all.
I love Sony's propaganda ...... If they are lucky it may be as powerful as a 7600X and a 4060/7600XT ..... And always on FSR3 ..... Laws of Physics and Package TDP limitations and all that
Sony might actually break Xbox. Xbox console sales are terrible, Game Pass subscriber counts aren’t going up, XboxSS (last gen console) is the lions’s share of Xbox sales, fire sales are happening now for XboxSX consoles. If PS5 has 90M+ by the end of 2024 users and Xbox SX only has 10M-15M some larger developers/publishers will probably drop Xbox support. PS5 will likely drop to $399, which will accelerate PS5 sales even more increasing the userbase gap between PS5 and XSX. PS5 Pro even with slow growth will likely draw more players to PSVR2 on top increased standard PS5 sales.
It's a mistake, Sony need to take that R&D and production money and start acquiring publishers and creating a COD equivalent. There is no need, unfortunately. Sony, M$, the PC market have no need to produce more advanced technology. The AAA game market is SO expensive almost no one will take advantage of the hardware. Basically modern Software is holding back the Hardware. That's why until Ai starts hacking software development (and then world domination) the game industry is in a stale slow period of growth. And I buy "pro console models."
Delusional, $ony has no games and no money to do anything about it. How will they dominate? $150/game? $onys hardware solutions are just rubbish, the PoS is lacking everywhere, the portal is a joke, PSVR a complete failure what they need to do is drop all the crap around the edge, talk on pro and focus on developing some games and releasing them. Also improve PS plus, it’s laughable. Day and date on console and PC is the only way forward. It’s not the 1990s anymore.
there is not 1 AAA SONY FIRST PARTY GAME in 2024, what the hell is the purpose for the PRO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!! Xbox Hellblade 2 is the visual answer PROPER HARDWARE and tools
The Xbox is way weaker than a ps5 pro, it's going to get so much sales just from GTA 6 alone, and yes there are exclusives in 2024. At least search something up before you shill on a multi billion dollar company. Xbox has been in this state for ages, but if they made Xbox x pro you guys would eat it up and say mid gen refreshes are the holy grail of this world.
The pro will be a major hit. It's extremely easy for studios to increase frames, rez, effects. Anybody knows that. Master move from Sony. On the other side the potato s will become harder and harder to run games and Microsoft can't forget that trash of console because 75% of the owners are on the s... They can't have 3 types of consoles in the same gen. If the pro is 499 with gta6 at launch. Sales will go from 3 to 1, to 4 or 5 to 1. Microsoft gaming is becoming less and less relevant after another desastre of a year in every metric
A 8K TV is now $1,500 so PS5 PRO needs to be capable of 8K 60fps. Right now PS5 plays some games at 30fps in 4k. In one or two years 8K TV will be under a grand.
Why? 4090 can't do 8k bro. It needs performance upscaling for a good experience. This is a console that is trying to be less than $600. 8k is useless and will need ps6, fsr 4 performance, frame gen and lowered settings.
No one wants 8k rendering; no console anytime soon is even going to be capable of rendering at 8k 30fps let alone 60. It'll render af 4k MAX and let your TV or internally upscale the output resolution to 8k if you happen to own an 8k set. 8k is pointless unless you're gaming on a screen in excess of 80-85"
Sony is gonna release the PS6 2yrs after the PS5 Pro with PS6 only games, forcing yall to upgrade and then drop support for PS5 relatively fast. Financial Pimping.
Big mistake for Sony to make a PS5 when they are struggling with games. They have no games! Microsoft now owns damn near everything and when the COD deal is over Sony will really be screwed. They literally are running out of money, the company was down 30% year-over-year, and they are laying people off big time and now it's likely they will start shutting down Studios. Take whatever money they have and make good games, not a new console. Geez!
@@tmckain5532 Considering layoffs as a cost reduction method doesn't mean you aren't dominating in market share. Microsoft laid off over 13,000 employees last year, including over 30% of 343 Studios (including Studio head Bonnie Ross), and staff at Bethesda. The Initiative had 50% of its staff quit, turning them from the first proposed quadruple A studio, to a support studio helping Crystal Dynamics complete Perfect Dark. On top of that they aren't selling consoles, aren't getting new GamePass subscribers and aren't selling software at a high rate. Sony is obliterating them in all the metrics that matter. Nintendo moves at it's own pace, and is within the handled market, so I don't even count them as competing with the other two. If Sony isn't dominating then who is? 🤔
Well either they're going bankrupt or they're going golden, one of the 2, can't be both, although I keep hearing rumors of both. They sure do have ALOT of titles coming out next year, if they are going belly up
this is same as ps4 pro for VR. same situation ps5 not strong enough for the PSVR 2. This is a bad business decision because they will be caught with there pants down when microsoft drops in 2026 more powerful machines and all the exclusive content. Sony needs to concentrate on new ip from there first party. This is the problem with Sony stuck on hardware when Microsoft has moved on from a consoles first mentality. A waste of resources
That really isn't a leap when the Series consoles are so young they can't abandon the S. A new console in 2026 seems stupid. None of the current ones have even hit their stride.
The PS5 Pro is just a platform upgrade for PSVR basically. At this point in the lifecycle of the PS5 Platform, it looks a lot like a cash grab before the hype train for PS 6.
True. The Ps4 could play all the games the Ps4 pro could . There really was a small percentage of Ps4 games that were enhanced for the Ps4pro . Case in point , both RDR2 and witcher 3 play at 1080p/30fps if you had the Ps4 or Ps4 pro . Just keep the Ps5 if you own one until the Ps6 comes out .
It's an absolute niche for VR enthusiast's. OG ps5 is powerful anyway. Ps5 pro will be a minor power/performance jump. Ps6 will be the necessary pro that everyone will want and purchase.
It's much more about being the best place to play GTA6 for Sony. That'll get em bucket loads more cash than the niche VR market (which is awesome by the way and way better than pancake gaming). If Sony can hit 60 on GTA6 loads of Pc gamers will be pulled by the Pro.
Cerny has patented things regarding the dual issue GPU
Also, if you check patents by Cerny, he is a mad genius
But also overhyped.
Not really. Though it depends on us as individuals on how we take the things he does as golden or not.@@bigboulder
@@HANZOREIZA nah, definitely overhyped
In which way? Guys tech talk from years back is still used today in developing games and how to approach the cycle of creation regarding the above but to each their own @@NoradNoxtus
@@NoradNoxtus Phil spencer is over hyped lmaooo
PS5 for dynamic 4K 30fps gaming and PS5 Pro for dynamic 4K 60fps gaming.
Won't strain devs, since base is PS5, and PS5 Pro will just easily scale up without dipping below 60fps.
dynamic 4k is a misnomer. no ps5 game runs at native 4k, everything works on upscaling tech and the image while having a lower quality always maintains 4k, which would not be true for dynamic resolution. and i also don't think it's "easy" to scale up but it's probably what will happen. 1080p-1440p upscale to 4k for ps5 and 1800p upscale to 4k for ps5 pro, not alot of other improvments unfortunately
@@NoradNoxtus ps6 should be able to run every ue5 game at 4k60fps without any excuses, but when the next gen ue6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro
@@NoradNoxtus GT-7 off the top of my head is a PS5 game that runs at full 4k, no dynamic no upresing, also its at 60fps,
They don’t need new consoles to re-re-re-re-re-re Master the same games for $90 that their fans love.
True, most consoles are overrated simply for being popular
there is not a single game sold only on PS4 pro, that is strictly the same game bought once on PS4, the principle being to allow automatic and FREE updates by blowing up the limits : framerate, resolution, raytracing.
and do not try to mix everything, there are FREE updates from PS4 to ps5 and some paid updates with a real re-work faces, animations, textures on Some of their Blockbusters. Last of Us Part 1 is still a special case with a deep remaster of the form, yes qualified of Remake. and so what other game ?? Spiderman 1 and Demon's Souls... Yep that's all.
@@omegasword2703 optimized system and Games, Plug and Play without a crappy Windows and many drivers to update each month ... has a cost, and $450 with a Dualsense is very cheap price ! Yup stable 60fps, and option 90 fps VRR on their Big Blockbusters.
But fine if you prefer to spend way more than $3000 to a PC and play on 28" monitor.
You’re just a narrow minded fanboy rooting against ps because you don’t have one lmao. Buy all consoles if you like games fool
They know what they're doing. Thank you for sharing your opinion though
Double A games are just as fun and good as Triple A. So an investment in that department should be considered from Sony.
Problem, thwir AAA games feel like AA games now, god of war was underwelming, horizon was a flol, spiderman was woke and short, thats 3 strikes already, Im only looking foward towarss ghost of tushima 2 and GTA 6.....
I said before PSPro plus GTA 6 bundle is the perfect combo to make a lot of sales even if this bundle price is 700 dollars.
Only if it's 60fps
700 dollar gta 6 ps5 pro bundle without a 60fps mode is DOA lmfao
@@indeed596
Well Said. If the game is still 30fps on the Pro they can keep the console.
@OlderRockRocks why are ppl assuming there will not ve 69fps mode in gta 60?
Ain't red dead 60 fps? Or at least a 6p fps mode?
@@aaronclay4665 English and no
Wow you look great dude. I haven't watched you content in a long time but damn you look & sound so much healthier.
My problem with a ps5 pro is that I'm not confident that enough games will be updated to take full advantage of the hardware. 1st party games, sure, but most 3rd party games will be locked to the same framerate and resolution as before. This is why I've been saying that VRR and unlocked framerate modes should have been a standard since the beginning of this generation.
lol the developers can simply put a small patch to put VRR and unlock frame rates for the PS5 pro, or sony could have a chip built-in to override it so developers dont even have to do anything.
A good reason to build a PC so you can get that performance boost for almost all games
There is plenty for games what have VRR enabled and its uncapped. Just having a ps5 pro will already take advantage of plus any games that already can’t hit their target frames
Lol every PSVR2 game will benefit.
In the PS4 days the cry was to lock framerates. "A locked 30fps is so much better than a framerate that bounces from 30 to 50." Then the PS5 came out and we're stuck with 30fps forevermore. So yeah, giving the option to unlock framerates is forward thinking.
The benefits for the vr2???
The difference is the series s is the base model. Devs have to downgrade their games to make it work there. Devs don’t have to do anything to make their game run on ps5 pro.
Literally not true.
@@tmckain5532well ps5 is nothing like 4, it's already powerful. So Devs don't have to work as hard to figure that out. With ps5 pro...that variant will be such a small performance jump (just to get 4k 60fps capability) from OG ps5, personally I wouldn't recommend it. PS6 is the console to patiently wait for.
@@Soraviel so you like spending more on less games. Did the 30% ps+ price increase make you happy? Maybe it's the console price increase with a stand that's sold seperately that did it for you. Spider man 2 barely made its budget back. Sony is in big trouble.
@@tmckain5532
"Spider-Man 2 barely made its budget back"
It was only out for less than a month and made its budget back, and the leaks didn't include Holiday sales (Black Friday and December), as the documents were made prior to that. 😂
You fanboys will latch onto anything won't you. Just like Insider Gaming debunking the narrative that Ratchet & Clank RA lost $8 million, when it in fact made a profit.
Also, even after the 33% increase in PS+'s yearly cost, its tiers are still significantly cheaper than GamePass... Let that sink in.
Let that hurt go.
@@tmckain5532
It's 100% true according to what Digital Foundry was told by Microsoft.
They were told that the Series S is the base model, and the Series X is essentially their upgrade.
Games on Series S have many downgrades from their PS5/ Series X counterparts. Missing performance options, lacking Ray Tracing, lowered resolution and effects... hell, in Baldur's Gate 3, the Series S is missing co-op because the system doesn't have enough memory.
The PS5 Pro will require no extra effort as the PS5 is the lowest common denominator and it's an already great starting point. Literally the only thing devs will have to do is allow the system to brute force dynamic resolutions and performance to a higher metric.
In games with RT they'd simply increase the RT effects, and would probably forgo FSR if their new solution is better.
Optimizing these games on the PRO will only bring even better results.
My biggest concern is the CPU won't be enough to reach 60 fps. As a consumer, I want the Pro to give me an uptick in performance and visuals. For Sony, I think the Pro model needs to be a test bed for technologies that speed up game development (ray tracing and the geometry engine). They really need to cut development costs and timelines if they want to "dominate" gaming. There are only around 150 million console gamers, a figure that hasn't grown since the PS2 days. Sony needs to focus on making that addressable market sustainable, and not just pursue the 1 billion mobile gamers.
It won't be the CPU but GPU to hold it back.
It already reaches 60 and 120 on normal ps5 so with a much more powerful GPU taking load off the CPU and a higher clock on the CPU, you'll easily get 60 and 120 options in basically every game.
Based on Sony's decision to release the PS5 Pro, I think they do fully intend to release games for this generation well into 2028.
Xbox will probably introduce their next gen by 2027 since they do not intend to increase performance this gen.
I agree with you as well.
I'm surprised it's not earlier,
given microsofts trac record since since the 360.
If developers are forced to develop for the base PS5 having this upgrade will be cool but not necessary. It will be held back anyway so whats the point . Even if PS6 will be held back cause they make games for previous generations and thats why we are stuck woth COD being the same game for the past 4 years to be as inclusive as possible
I think I didnt see anyone talking about psvr2 and ps5 pro. It would be amazing for developers on psvr2 !
It's not my kind of thing but I agree PS5 Pro would be a good welcome to PSVR2, bumping those lower performance games, have more 120hz modes in other games, increase resolution on some and maybe even bump some to 140 Hz cause lately that's the trend on latest 4K gaming TVs...
Oh and I forgot to say also would be a good welcome to improve ray-tracing quality/performance.
Phenomenal video
They need to release new games not remakes or remasters
Spiderman 1, with Miles Morales release, Last of Us Part 1 and Demon's Souls, and that's it. Yep we heard about Horizon Zero Dawn, but we already know all the rework they are capable to add, as we've seen the Masterpiece Horizon Forbidden West... Include Big improvement on NPC and IA. Sony updates some of their masterpiece, as they see fit. yes it is also a money facility, but always justify by their work
cant afford to risk the money they are in alot more trouble than we think
Dead Space remake and RE4 remake are two of the three best games I played this year. Nothing wrong with remakes if done well. But yes new IP's is always preferred.
This probably won't happen but it would be nice if there was a first party shooter with a great online multiplayer. Maybe even a COD competitor. For me all the third person adventure games are getting old. Plus the latest CODs have been disappointing.
@@casual_observer212I mean they do have a shooter now loo
Destiny...... since Sony bought it , it counts
4Gb DDR 5 for Zen 2? Would that be possible?
I don't want anyone to dominate gaming. There's nothing good for me in that.
Competition and free market is the key.
So you still want it. They both try to dominate. Thats the base of competition. So far xBox has been gotten slapped by PS5. But they both try. Thats what make them compete in the first place
@@imlegend8108 competition domination. During domination the competition is next to none. Check your thesaurus.
I don't get it,Xbox hasn't made a game that gets the max out of their Series X and they want to change the generation quicker...
I know, it's mad isn't it. You'd think they'd want to release some games worthy of series X. I don't think we've had one yet.
I mean sony has and they releasing ps5 pro.
@@joshuabonorino9561ps5pro will help psvr2 A LOT.....
There are also like 5 ps5 only games, Xbox has zero Xbox x only games....
Sony has tried to get the best outta the console and has vr another reasons to upgrade...
Now Xbox has none of the reasons...
They know no one buys Series consoles so why bother lmao
@@nabieladrian I mean Sony made it less intriguing to buy a ps5 when all they been releasing is remakes and remasters. Nothing new or original.
It sounds like the same type of setup forumula Sony did with the PS4 Pro. That was a notable improvement over the base, but it did have clear limitations due to the same yet upclocked CPU . I expect the PS5 Pro will be the same thing. It'll be good, affordable but it won't be an overly powerful machine..
ps4 pro to ps4 was 2.3x improvement ps5 pro is like 1.7x
I literally forgot the Xbox one X existed
I've got different feelings about the PS5 Pro. Since the beginning of the PS5 gen i've been saying we won't get a PS5 Pro. Because the PS4 Pro was catered towards gamers who had 4K tv's (which already was very "niche" at that point in time.) Now though, everyone has a 4k tv and some even have 8k tv's. So my thoughts have been changing. Also because of the leaks and rumors that there is actually a PS5 Pro in the works.
So at this moment in time. I'm thinking okay, there will be a PS5 Pro but it has to do things that the PS5 can't. But it also can't disrupt the plans for a PS6. So my thoughts are:
- Consistent native 4k@60 fps.(Maybe with some kind of ray-tracing. Most-likely possible with first/second party studio's.)
- Some kind of 4k (be it DLSS, checkerboarding,... ) with 120fps & ray-tracing.
- All of the above but without ray-tracing?
- 1 or 2TB storage. (By now, even the 2TB storage are getting cheaper and cheaper.)
- Maybe a high enough USB-C external output so that we can play our PS5 games from an external SSD/NVME.
The other technical specs, i leave to the TH-cam channels like RedGamingTech because they get most of the information first hand anyway. Or at least from some of the insiders.
My only hope is that it will be silent again like the PS5 is. And not a jet-engine like the PS4 Pro was!
We'll all buy it if it runs GTA6 at 60fps!! However ill probably get it anyway to play VR at better resolutions without reprojection. RE4 and 8 will be incredible on it.
To dominate gaming maybe Sony should release a few games…
Sony has the most exclusive games out of any of the big 3.
That's the reason why it just sold over 50 million ps5, and is the leader in gaming right now.
This according to xbox themselves.
if gta6 can run at 60 fps in ps5 pro , they will have plenty of customers... also i think PS5 pro will run FR3 properly, FSR3 need 60 fps to run properly...RT will also be improved...i will buy ps5 pro for sure if it is a real improvement...
With a console that powerful its enough for a good while.
This will only help with sustained resolutions and framerates higher. Nothing revolutionary like how RT is introduced (albeit first gen) for the first time in over 35 years of gaming on home console. Maybe improved RT.
It's almost like the generation isn't over, and those meaningful changes only come when the next consoles pop up, like ps6 and Xbox series whatever will be called.
Also, if it means the difference betwen playing GTA 6 at 30fps or 60fps, then I will be selling my xsx and getting a ps5 pro day one.
I have the feeling i wasted 26minutes of my life and like you spoke 26minutes without any new information.
Why are you repeating so much stuff every time in every video?
Anyway, merry christmas guys
why would they bother with extra 4GB DDR5 ram? If they aim of this system is to simply run PS5 base code at a higher FPS, then there is no need for extra memory, is there? Im not talking about bandwidth, just the memory size increase. The base PS5 system has no memory issues when it comes to OS.
Ps5 pro will probably just make it so that games dont have to do "fidelity" or "performance" anymore but can have the best of both. 4k with raytracing at 60fps. Its literally just a graphic setting for devs to toggle. I dont see most games taking full advantage of the ps5 pro, but a couple games might utilize it more than simply bumping 30fps up to 60fps.
RDNA2 has incredibly mediocre raytracing performance and Zen 2 will bottleneck any upgrade to the GPU in a potential PS5 Pro.
Still not getting one. I will wait for Next-gen. I don't want to upgrade every 3 to 4 years.
And its perfectly fine PS4 and PS4 pro share the same generation and it was all good.
That's fine, I have ps5 and PC set up, I will not be purchasing ps5 pro. It's not worth it. Ps5 pro should be for people that didn't purchase OG ps5 or ps5 slim in my opinion.
Ps5 pro or even ps4 pro is extremely niche as well.
@@Soraviel I've got the og PS5 and I'll be buying the pro if they release it as I enjoy having the latest tech.
yea they will do just that with mid-range non upgradable gpu from 2023 and cpu from 2022..no backward compatibility ..and 90 $ games..
You said there will not be anything generational added to the ps5 pro but what about the rumors that cerny has been working on his own version of dlss ai technology in physical form not just software. Could be ps6 though but maybe the first version will be tested on the ps5 pro. Especially if MS is actually planning to start next Gen early.
We've seen the patents years earlier that coroberate the rumors of a dlss like ai chip built by Sony. Pretty sure Sony are aware that amds upscaling is a dud. Upscaling is the future
Microsoft have proven they're not messing around and they're set on spending Sony out of the market. If Sony are to survive they need to absolutely crush Xbox this generation and force Microsoft to rethink their gaming strategy.
😂 Sony has no chance. It's over already, they have a PS5 Pro and Xbox has PC . PC is better than PS5 Pro already just imagine when the 50 series cards hit.
@@Velly2g that's utter nonsense. If anyone owns PC gaming it's Valve. Microsoft get no cut of PC sales on Steam, they get no subscription for multiplayer and very few people use Game Pass on PC.
@@faustianblur1798are you that braindead????😂
Literally outselling Microsoft 7 to 1 at this point. What do you mean they need to crush it? They already are.
@@scottdove7358 it's only 7 to 1 in places like Europe. It's 3 to 1 world wide this year. They have to make sure that continues once all Microsoft's bought up studios start pumping out exclusives. The best way to do that is make sure massive third party games like GTA VI run better on their system. If Microsoft see they spent $80bn only to do worse than the Xbox One they'll give up and walk away.
Idk about dominate. Leaks recently point to sony being scared of microsoft takeover
I’d say outselling your closest rival 2:1 is dominating. Even if said rival keeps bouncing to different metrics for determining growth.
First it was console hardware sales, then it was subscription sales, now it’s ‘x amount of players played said game’ (which counts anyone who downloads a game, plays it for an hour, realizes it’s trash and deletes it, btw).
I wonder what the next metric buzzword will be when this formula doesn’t pan out any longer 🤔
@@balaam_7087 yes but the future is in digital and subscription so sony is worried lik in the leaks
@@wingedhussar1453
You have to read the date in which their concern was a thing. This was before the CMA hearings, before PS signed a 10 year deal for CoD, and before MS had to relinquish the control of their cloud gaming division to Ubisoft.
That's why the leak mentions "2027". It was the original 3 year deal that MS offered them for ABK titles. That deal now stretches to 2035, and there are extreme limits to what MS can do with ABK's console based properties.
They'll have CoD until the end of the PS6 generation. So it's going to be a long road for Xbox before PS has to worry about that. I don't think MS will even have a console at that point
@@wingedhussar1453Sony had game pads before game pass... it was called ps stream o. Ps3... it's called ps premium now....
They will be ok
If gta6 requires a ps5 pro for 60fps I’ll upgrade
I personally would welcome the release of a PS5P - it would give me an excuse to buy another console so I can quit sharing the damn PlayStation with my kids: that has been by single biggest impediment to gaming this current console generation, is the fact that my three daughters are now old enough to be obsessed with the PS five as well, and it’s a constant battle to get on the damn thing now!
Do you think RTX 3090 will still have better graphics that PS5 Pro?
The 3090 will most likely be more capable far as raw power but the "better graphics" more so come down to resources ($$) and dev talent before hardware is factored into the equation
Better optimization on PS5 for sure
No
Yes better graphics but not better optimization and honestly optimization is always better, thats why consoles are so worth the money, you get a massive “bang for your buck”
@@YTD33u will get both
This may do more harm to Sony than good, and certainly give Microsoft a significant chance to outdo them. Sony have been misdirected for a while, pricing themselves out of their own market, for the first time ever console sales remain high, but people aren’t buying games. Games have significantly increased in price resulting in a UK law suit. And Sony themselves have reported lack of sales. People are to focused on graphics and not on quality of games. The PS5 Pro is to late in cycle to be of any value, and they should really be looking at next gen now. Tech has significantly changed and the PS5 has yet to be pushed, let alone a Pro.
If Sony isn’t going to put out another console until 2028 will the pro be enough of a bridge for gamers until PlayStation 6 if Xbox is planning on skipping their pro version and going straight into their next generation earlier want they have a bigger jump on technology in their console between that gap over Sony will that change how Sony looks at this or will it even matter or will it be this leap frog type of thing from now on is this going to be the new norm for Xbox to reveal their consoles years before Sony so they aren’t really competing anymore or is this a one off thing. I can see the good and bad in this choice but I could be just over thinking this but I worry about both becoming lazy without no competition but this could have its benefits not having to purchase both consoles around the same time could have some advantages but want this add more work for developers if they split it up like this or will the consoles still be on equal footing or do you think that will change to if they start releasing earlier than Sony .
”My sources” aka 4chan and ResetEra posts 😂
Non of this make any sense financially. They would have to price this so high that you may as well get a pc. I would never pay more than 500 for a pitiful ass console
@@RocWolf7 you cry too much p. Diddy supported 🤣
@@PSPortalShitpostingAntiSwitch English isn't your first language is it kid
@@RocWolf7 Going to roast your comment to my discord so they can laugh at you be butthurt about sony portables black George Floyd wannabe 🤣
@rodrickcross cope harder that playstation portal is selling well and lives rent free in your head Negra 🤣
That haircut is.... interesting
dominate gaming but we'll own nothing
No need to own. Been dominating since 1994.
The way Sony is looking they really need to focus on dominating their finances first, or there may not even be a PS6.
Don't you worry. They doing way better financially than the last 10 years
I really like their plan to start charging $100 for games and splitting spiderman 3 into 3 parts and charging $50 each. Genius!🙄🙄
What you mean take a leaf out of ABK/ Microsoft strategy to sell dlc as new games.....cough cough *COD* cough!
@@FurBurger151 that game was done by Activision and was ready to release before the purchase went through. Nice try though.
@@tmckain5532 Dude the deal was done years ago! All they were doing was finalizing it so they could proceed with isolating the technology and infrastructure around cloud based gaming and software development. ABK and Microsoft have very much been in bed together for a long time and all the deal was doing was to keep the company a domestically controlled asset.
@@tmckain5532I mean... they bought it they had a say what to charge... but u slurping Microsoft u can't stop simping.
Calm down fanboy
@@aaronclay4665 why lie? Also, i have a ps5 as well. It is just a really disappointing console. I canceled ps+ because it's a complete rip off. They had ONE first party exclusive this year and it was woke garbage. If they start charging 100 for games i will sell this paperweight.
Why would you need all this processing power when you play at 60fps?
The Ps4 could play all the games the Ps4 pro could . There really was a small percentage of Ps4 games that were enhanced for the Ps4pro .
Case in point , both RDR2 and witcher 3 play at 1080p/30fps if you had the Ps4 or Ps4 pro .
Just keep the Ps5 if you own one until the Ps6 comes out .
Apparently I have been reading some people who want the pro for the vr experience lol
@@Crashed131963it will be a very small upgrade from vanilla ps5, since vanilla ps5 is already powerful enough anyway.
Just like ps4 pro, ps5 pro will be niche (yes thousands will buy it), but I expect vanilla ps5 consoles to sell the most over the pro variant.
@@Soraviel The reason I bought the Ps5 was because so many of my Ps4 games are on the free 4k/60fps patch list .
Aso the fast ssd load times .
Yes if you are into that.@@Soraviel
Current specs show that the PS5 Pro will be CPU bottlenecked. RED FLAG!
why do we need a ps5pro? just go with psp6
Well pickle my turnips!
Give us 8K 60fps!
Why not just 8k 120?
I just want 60 fps with ray tracing or 120fps mode thats not 800p
Same here and gta 6 60 fps
They don’t need a pro, they just need to release ps6 we don’t need anymore pros or x anymore it’s wasting money.
I think the leaks made it clear that Sony is not dominating anything moving forward.
What you even talking about mate
Only reasons I can see for a pro version of ps5 to be released are
PS6 running behind schedule
PS6 being held back to see what MS have either more solid leaks or launched.
Price of what specification they want to release ps6 as may be too high at present, so release an enhanced PS5 as pro wait till silicon prices drop then release ps6 with big jump in performance that nocks MS Xbox out cold.
It shouldn't be any harder to develop games for pro ps5 as those that develope the software for pcs have to look at AMDs big Ryzen cpu line up and Radeon ranges, throw in intels CPUs & GPUs & Nvidia GPUs it's harder all ps5 pro will have to do is sense the better hardware and load better textures or lighting effects the actual game play won't change it might pushout more frames per second&look better and old games should work as hardware not that different at worst might need a small patch downloaded to make it use enhanced hardware present.
Games to look forward to:
FF 7 rebirth
Daba land of waterscar
Rise of ronin
Wolverine
Gta 6
The inquisitor
Dragons dogma 2
Crimson desert
Phantom blade zero
Dragonage dreadwolf
Chrono odyssey
Lost soul aside
Black myth wukong
Granblue fantasy relink
Elden ring DLC
"Ps5 has few games and nothing in the future" 😂
I just named the ones i personally are looking to play, stop with the "we need more exclusives"
Games are games no mather the platform, you already bought a ps5 stop trying to justify it, i did it for you.
These ungrateful kids...
i don't see the purpose of the mid gen refresh. not really that much more powerful than a normal ps5. majority of people won't even see a difference. ue5 games will run at 1080p internally instead of 720p. console still WAY to weak for things like pathtracing. even normal raytracing probably often won't be doabloe because the GPU is too weak.
Depends on price.
Casual gamers play on consoles because they are cheap to buy . A $700 Ps5 Pro will not cause casual gamers to trade in their $500 Ps5s.
It's the reason the XBox-S sell well. People want to play new AAA games for $300 not $500 .
It's not that they do not have $500 to spend ,they just prefer to spend $300 of it .
Casuals play gacha games on PC/mobile 😂
@@ElPibePlay1000 The smallest screen I could stand to play a game on is no smaller than 42 inches .
People playing a game on a tiny phone screen is just strange to me .
Pro consoles aren't generally created for casuals, but for the enthusiasts. That's why they put so much extra stuff in them.
There are many reasons people choose to game on a console. For example, I might want my kids on a console rather than running rampant on the internet. Or I might have security concerns about gaming on a PC. Or maybe I'm a technophobe. Or a Microsoft hater. The Xbox Series S shows that the market for a cheap console isn't all that great (around 13 million?), while Sony's experience with the PS4 Pro must have shown the market for a premium console was worth addressing.
@@ElPibePlay1000 no "casuals" plays gatch games on pc......PHONE maybe. But if ur playing gatch games on pc at ur house ur an hard-core gamer
This guy already knows that it only takes some rumors of Playstation hardware to get traffic to is channel. Playstation fanboys go flocking with the hope some of it is remotly true
The mid-gen upgrades of the last generation were a unique set of circumstances. It wasn't the first of their kind. Consider way back, when NEC produced the SuperGrafx upgrade to the PC Engine. This ran everything the PC Engine and CD-ROM add-on did, plus supported several improvement for devs to utilize. This lead to a grand total of six native SuperGrafx games. The problem was that this was pre-internet and re-writable storage being a standard element of a game console. This meant upgrades for an existing game were not possible unless you simply shipped a separate SKU into stores. This left little incentive for PC Engine owners to upgrade, as their existing library wouldn't benefit. By comparison, the Xbox One X gave a very considerable improvement in the number of games improved for their past purchasers at no cost to them beyond buying the One x itself.
So, this is why we didn't see upgrade models for machines like the PS1, PS2, and others of that era. The console where it might have been possible is the original Xbox but it would have been a inconvenient method as the hard drive in that was more for caching and saves than for full game installs with online purchases. The PS3 and Xbox 360 generation was the first where all the pieces were in place to make it happen but there wasn't any real motivation for it. Sony knew early into the PS3's lifespan they were not going to continue with the CELL processor development, as it never delivered on its promise and neither partner company, Toshiba and IBM, were inclined to continue with CELL. At the same time, Microsoft saw that PowerPC was looking like a dead end for their needs. Neither company wanted to invest in improving the chip set of their current machine beyond die shrinks, focusing on entirely new designs going forward.
The PS4 and Xbox One generation also saw the rapid rise of 4K TV in the market. This meant a big market opportunity, though the eventual mid-gen upgrade models were not big money makers in of themselves, they were good for helping to promote the platforms in general. Microsoft was a bit more proactive in supporting 4K and HDR, making those features of the Xbox One S for UHD video playback. This was consistent with Microsoft being more supportive of non-gaming uses of their consoles, for what it was worth in the long run.
The 16nm die shrinks of the PS4 and Xbox One were already underway and both teams of engineers knew how much added ceiling they had for adding to the APU at a much lower cost than an entirely new design. In that one moment in time, mid-gen upgrades made sense to produce. Today, this isn't as apparent. Any new models that are reasonably priced, both in in engineering cost and MSRP, are going to be difficult to demonstrate to casuals as to what big improvement they offer to the games.
Zen 5 launches 2024, Zen 6 probably the beginning of 2026, but Zen 5 is the main core architecture upgrade, just like Zen 3 was (and why Zen 2 CAN'T be in PS5P as it's too slow as in two generations of CORE upgrades behind Zen 5)
On the CPU front if the PS5P uses Zen 5 and Xbox next gen uses Zen 6, those are basically the same cores anyway so Microsoft won't have an advantage there. Zen 6 will make architectural improvement mostly to the SoC not the cores as has been talked about (AMD's tic toc model)
So this is going to play out in the graphics area. Sony would be using RDNA 4 and Microsoft RDNA 5. RDNA 4 supposedly has issues with the MCM architecture they wanted to use for discrete desktop GPUs, but that problem should have no bearing on a custom APU AMD could make.
IF Sony does indeed go with Zen 5/RDNA 4 it might be almost as good as XBox using Zen 6/RDNA 5 without knowing how much improvement there will be to the overall graphics architecture, once again ignoring the top end since these would be custom APUs using a single die, MAYBE two if they break up the cores from the graphics.
Sony could come out the big winner if RDNA 5 isn't much better than RDNA 4 at the low end, because in this case putting out a console in 2028 for the PS6 is going to bring a LOT of improvement over what could come out in 2025.
IF these rumors are true PS5P is going to suck balls, Sony will get a bad reputation for putting out a ball sucking PS5P and it will make it much easier for Microsoft to dominate the console market when they put out their next gen in 2025 which would SMOKE the PS5P.
The rumors don't make sense. I don't see why AMD would want to port Zen 2 to TSMC N5/N4. That's just stupid. And PLEASE don't make a stupid remark about how using the same CPU could aid in blah blah blah because no it doesn't. Programmers don't program to a SPECIFIC CPU and never have unless they're writing a compiler or wrote code before high level languages existed. I mean that's why you HAVE high level languages. The compiler is what matters, so there is only DISADVANTAGES sticking with Zen 2.
AFAIK Zen 2 only exists on TSMC N7/6. And if AMD were to stick with those nodes I don't see how they get 30WGPs in a custom APU. That's 7800 XT territory. That would be a BIG ASS DIE on N7/N6.
Leaks are saying that ps5 Pro may have 144hz support
I still find it extremely hard to believe in ZEN2 on 4NP. Any mid-gen upgrade is likely to be on 6NP, which Sony already has the baseline APU shipping on. In all likelihood, any PS5 Pro is going to be a more modest upgrade than what is being touted with no evidence for and much against.
They don't need a Pro console when barely any games even release🤦♂️ Sony's greedy plan.... Great.
It's good only for a 60 FPS GTA 6, people coming from PS4 / PS4 pro, or vr enthusiasts
@@GeneralS1mba is the Ps4 Pro 60fps on Gta 5? Or 30fps?
@@Mysticalii GTA V launched about the time the PS4 did, and it's up to the game developers to patch it or not. Previous GTA games have had "deals" with Sony so I would not be surprised for a 60 FPS mode, as Sony is pretty much going to be marketing this game. Making it 60 FPS would be their best bet at selling this console. If not, it will be more niche than it is. Only for enthusiasts who want higher fidelity games.
Sony is gaming propaganda nowadays.
The point of gaming was to get away from this crap.
Optimized system and Blockbusters as Games ! everything plug and Play, with insane Dualsense or PSVR2... it's True and Palpable things !
Yep I will spend years on GT7 and No Man's Sky in VR OLED hdr.. 😊🎉
How has that got anything to do with his comment?@@econoinner_force954
Yep, it all went downhill ever since they moved their HQ to cali back in the mid 2010's.
lets hope its a pathtracing ready system or it will be a waste.
That will be saved for the ps6
@@pandaketamineeven ps 6 won't be capable of pathtracing
So you want a 4080 for half it's price alone? Dream on.
Won't happen at $500-$600.
You guys are dreaming at this point.
I dont like the strategy MS went with it personally I don't think we need new hardware PS5 is a powerful console we haven't seen whats possible really yet but if we are getting into pro models I prefer Sonys way... launch a new generation console then a pro model 3 or 4 years later. Having a weaker system and more powerful one at launch hampers the entire generation imo
Actually, the Series S hampered nothing. That's simply an excuse Sony fans use to distract attention away from the real culprit.
The PS4 Pro. This is still a viable console and many games are still being released for it. And with the numbers of PS4s sold, it is a console that cannot be ignored, especially given the rising price of development. If devs are still developing games to run on the PS4, they aren't going to include next gen only features.
The Series S, conversely, has every next gen feature available to the Series X...meaning it has more capability, more next gen features than the PS5. What it lacks is memory - but if the devs actually do their jobs and optimize the game for the Series S and don't try to make the Series S sling around 4k graphics at 60FPS, there should be more than enough memory. And despite Sony fans mentioning games such as Baldurs Gate 3, the actual developers of those games have contradicted the current wisdom. The Series S has the tools and feature set to run next gen games, and so long as you are willing to accept the lower graphical fidelity there is nothing a PS5 or XBX can do that the XBS cannot.
The decisions to launch a "pro" model after just 4 or 5 years last gen, however, essentially reset the clock. In some ways it was necessary as both the PS4 and XB1 launched underpowered but the Pro models were effectively a new generation unto themselves and it is only now that those models are being truly superseded by the PS5.
One big issue with the PS5 Pro is that if Sony really does launch an upgraded model next year, then the same problem will repeat. PS 6 games will be held back because the PS5 Pro will still remain a capable platform. Games will therefore be designed not to take full advantage of the PS6 hardware and featureset precisely because developers will need to sell to the PS5 Pro users to maintain profitability. XBox and MS has a large number of teams who won't have the same restrictions. They'll be able to make better advantage of their next gen system and developers will be able to transition much sooner if their games demand those features. Sony will likely fire back with yet more anti-competitive tech equivalency clauses but Sony is starting to get into enough trouble with regulators and has other problems it needs to worry about.
@@edwardlafferty8796 let it go u dumb fanboy....ms is moving to software in the next 10 years...
Just get a PS or a pc
Sony should honestly focus on og ps5 & new projects (games) and PS6, they do not need a ps5 pro
So they been working on the wolverine game and the ghost of tsushina sequel.......Sony has had plenty of new games this gen 10 or more big games...
Wtf are u on about?
Upgrade your PC instead
If the pro is 500 with a disc drive and launches with no ai upscaling then perhaps Sony is working directly with amd to improve FSR for a fsr 4.0 launch alongside the pro. If it’s to the level of DLSS 3.0 by then then Sony wouldn’t need there own solution.
As CPU and GPU capability improves devs just get lazier and lazier on optimization, an iterative jump i hardware will probably yield at or near the same results nevermind that devs will do the bare minimum to make sure their game runs across A "Family" of hardware. Sony needs to open it's content to PC players much more widely and become "Hardware Agnostic".
Game developer's only care about sales number. Casual gamers vastly outnumber serious gamers and they play on consoles or lower mid PCs.
The Majority buy more $70 games than the Minority high end PC gamers will .
I doubt this will happen, Sony of course will port some of their games to PC, but... I do not see Sony becoming agnostic with their gaming assets at all.
..you mean to Dominate Xbox because it's 6 year slower than PC graphics.
I love Sony's propaganda ...... If they are lucky it may be as powerful as a 7600X and a 4060/7600XT ..... And always on FSR3 ..... Laws of Physics and Package TDP limitations and all that
they will release new consoles because they want your money. Simple as that haha
Think they should worry about keeping sonys head above water cuz its not looking good atm
Concern trolling?
I suggest you Google PS5 GLOBAL SALES and when you see the domination, you may want to change your "not looking good" comment.
😂😂😂 50milloin units sold! Their head is well above water.
Head above water ? Outselling xbox 7-1 with over 50 million consoles sold! I'd say they're walking on water.
Sony might actually break Xbox.
Xbox console sales are terrible, Game Pass subscriber counts aren’t going up, XboxSS (last gen console) is the lions’s share of Xbox sales, fire sales are happening now for XboxSX consoles.
If PS5 has 90M+ by the end of 2024 users and Xbox SX only has 10M-15M some larger developers/publishers will probably drop Xbox support.
PS5 will likely drop to $399, which will accelerate PS5 sales even more increasing the userbase gap between PS5 and XSX.
PS5 Pro even with slow growth will likely draw more players to PSVR2 on top increased standard PS5 sales.
You just made all of this up. Lol
If only ps5 pro is real.
If those specs you listed are acurate id be willing to bet the Ps5 pro is going to be $700.
It'll be 599 imo
It's a mistake, Sony need to take that R&D and production money and start acquiring publishers and creating a COD equivalent. There is no need, unfortunately.
Sony, M$, the PC market have no need to produce more advanced technology.
The AAA game market is SO expensive almost no one will take advantage of the hardware.
Basically modern Software is holding back the Hardware.
That's why until Ai starts hacking software development (and then world domination) the game industry is in a stale slow period of growth. And I buy "pro console models."
Ir an idiot..... Sony bought bungee it has destiny.... that's there "cod equivalent "
I'd I'm honest both games are past there prime...
NEWS FLASH!! 📸 SONY WILL DOMINATE NOTHING BUT THE SONY PONIES AND FANBOYS. 😅😅😂😂
I just want that massive storage breakthrough. I'm waiting for my 64tb solid state drives and hyper RAM
Bro were not in 2223
@@marioramosruiz9702 64tb ssds already exist.
Delusional, $ony has no games and no money to do anything about it. How will they dominate? $150/game?
$onys hardware solutions are just rubbish, the PoS is lacking everywhere, the portal is a joke, PSVR a complete failure what they need to do is drop all the crap around the edge, talk on pro and focus on developing some games and releasing them.
Also improve PS plus, it’s laughable. Day and date on console and PC is the only way forward. It’s not the 1990s anymore.
Rip Sony
there is not 1 AAA SONY FIRST PARTY GAME in 2024, what the hell is the purpose for the PRO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!! Xbox Hellblade 2 is the visual answer PROPER HARDWARE and tools
The Xbox is way weaker than a ps5 pro, it's going to get so much sales just from GTA 6 alone, and yes there are exclusives in 2024. At least search something up before you shill on a multi billion dollar company. Xbox has been in this state for ages, but if they made Xbox x pro you guys would eat it up and say mid gen refreshes are the holy grail of this world.
Ps5,vr,portal ps5pro = no games that a loser corp
It's not real.
The pro will be a major hit. It's extremely easy for studios to increase frames, rez, effects. Anybody knows that. Master move from Sony. On the other side the potato s will become harder and harder to run games and Microsoft can't forget that trash of console because 75% of the owners are on the s... They can't have 3 types of consoles in the same gen. If the pro is 499 with gta6 at launch. Sales will go from 3 to 1, to 4 or 5 to 1. Microsoft gaming is becoming less and less relevant after another desastre of a year in every metric
A 8K TV is now $1,500 so PS5 PRO needs to be capable of 8K 60fps. Right now PS5 plays some games at 30fps in 4k. In one or two years 8K TV will be under a grand.
4k 60 is a dream much less 8k stay off that cheap stuff.
Why? 4090 can't do 8k bro. It needs performance upscaling for a good experience. This is a console that is trying to be less than $600. 8k is useless and will need ps6, fsr 4 performance, frame gen and lowered settings.
No one wants 8k rendering; no console anytime soon is even going to be capable of rendering at 8k 30fps let alone 60. It'll render af 4k MAX and let your TV or internally upscale the output resolution to 8k if you happen to own an 8k set.
8k is pointless unless you're gaming on a screen in excess of 80-85"
@@neals6348 I doubt even ps6 will be that capable of 8k in my opinion
😂😂😂 never
Sony is gonna release the PS6 2yrs after the PS5 Pro with PS6 only games, forcing yall to upgrade and then drop support for PS5 relatively fast.
Financial Pimping.
Big mistake for Sony to make a PS5 when they are struggling with games. They have no games! Microsoft now owns damn near everything and when the COD deal is over Sony will really be screwed. They literally are running out of money, the company was down 30% year-over-year, and they are laying people off big time and now it's likely they will start shutting down Studios. Take whatever money they have and make good games, not a new console. Geez!
PS5 Pro should be wrong. It should be calld "PS5 RayTraceEdition"
😂😂😂😂
After the Sony hack attacks this year they need to put out their stronger hardware asap to hand them the finger.
As they should. They run gaming…..BIG FACTS 🎉
Lol you ponies are delusional they about to go 3rd party
lol. No they are not. Lol
Somebody is not paying attention....
@@tmckain5532
Considering layoffs as a cost reduction method doesn't mean you aren't dominating in market share.
Microsoft laid off over 13,000 employees last year, including over 30% of 343 Studios (including Studio head Bonnie Ross), and staff at Bethesda. The Initiative had 50% of its staff quit, turning them from the first proposed quadruple A studio, to a support studio helping Crystal Dynamics complete Perfect Dark.
On top of that they aren't selling consoles, aren't getting new GamePass subscribers and aren't selling software at a high rate. Sony is obliterating them in all the metrics that matter.
Nintendo moves at it's own pace, and is within the handled market, so I don't even count them as competing with the other two.
If Sony isn't dominating then who is? 🤔
Well either they're going bankrupt or they're going golden, one of the 2, can't be both, although I keep hearing rumors of both. They sure do have ALOT of titles coming out next year, if they are going belly up
this is same as ps4 pro for VR. same situation ps5 not strong enough for the PSVR 2. This is a bad business decision because they will be caught with there pants down when microsoft drops in 2026 more powerful machines and all the exclusive content. Sony needs to concentrate on new ip from there first party. This is the problem with Sony stuck on hardware when Microsoft has moved on from a consoles first mentality. A waste of resources
Xbox will leap frog them and out out a proper next gen machine in 2026. Thats the rumor.
That will be very bad for developers, unfortunately.
I don't know how they will cope having to optimize
That really isn't a leap when the Series consoles are so young they can't abandon the S. A new console in 2026 seems stupid. None of the current ones have even hit their stride.
The industry won't bother supporting the next trashbox until PS6 releases 😂😂😂😂
@@MichaelM28 Can Sony even afford to make ps6?
Puffffff 😂 definitively a Pony Channel
First! 😁
The PS5 Pro is just a platform upgrade for PSVR basically. At this point in the lifecycle of the PS5 Platform, it looks a lot like a cash grab before the hype train for PS 6.
True.
The Ps4 could play all the games the Ps4 pro could . There really was a small percentage of Ps4 games that were enhanced for the Ps4pro .
Case in point , both RDR2 and witcher 3 play at 1080p/30fps if you had the Ps4 or Ps4 pro .
Just keep the Ps5 if you own one until the Ps6 comes out .
It's an absolute niche for VR enthusiast's. OG ps5 is powerful anyway. Ps5 pro will be a minor power/performance jump.
Ps6 will be the necessary pro that everyone will want and purchase.
It's much more about being the best place to play GTA6 for Sony. That'll get em bucket loads more cash than the niche VR market (which is awesome by the way and way better than pancake gaming). If Sony can hit 60 on GTA6 loads of Pc gamers will be pulled by the Pro.
Hey i mean if it has gta 6 60fps it wouldnt be such a cash grab. But gotta agree