Hi love from Taiwan🇹🇼 3 years ago I just don’t understand Veganism/Animal Rights and think some protesters are to crazy(even now). I always get lost in those debates or fights😂 Then after watching “Dominion” (Narrated by Joaquin Phoenix and Sia) on TH-cam everything turns out so clear I really suggest it if you have the same Confusions Just Love & Respect here🙌❤
I don't understand why Piers invites guests and then doesn't let them speak?? He does it to every guest whos points of view he doesn't share. What kind of journalism is that? Difficult to listen and not very informational.
I'm not a vegan, and I agree with Piers on quite a few things. That being said, this was very poor debating with his only ammunition being one article from the guardian about bees. The chef accepted her booking then did not provide her with food - she was not some irate woman who turned up to a meat restaurant demanding to be fed. I would be pissed off too if I were her - she is not nuts for being irritated or leaving a bad review and frankly Joey has a point about killing animals in cruel ways where they suffer, and I do find posing with a dead piglet as a joke pretty distasteful. In many ancient cultures even when you killed an animal you respected it and tried to ensure as little pain as possible.
Piers must know that there isn't a good argument to not be vegan, not if you say you are against animal cruelty... you either admit that u have no problem with harming and killing animals for taste pleasure or u try to come up with excuses maybe like 'bees! Bees! Bees!'
I mean, restaurants really don't have to make whatever you want, especially if you don't tell them when you're coming? That woman is nuts. Piers is getting too annoying.
The vegan got triggered, he didn't win lol, were you watching the video, piers and the chef were calm. When you get angry you automatically lose the argument lol. 😂
@@MrKanyeZ don’t think the vegan was embarrassed at all, he had scientific data supporting his claim, all Piers was able to quote was an article in a newspaper. Scientific data would generally take precedence over a newspaper article posted by a journalist in any other facet of life, so why would we take a newspaper article more seriously than a scientific published paper in this case? On the topic of bees, the vegan was actually correct, you can find the data yourself. And those bees come from the very industry in which vegans don’t support, the honey industry, which Piers does support. I’d be embarrassed if I was Piers on this one.
@@emmahowells8334 yeah obviously, any person would get angry when the host doesn't even let you finish your sentence and ignores the actual data which you are holding up on his face. Joey presented facts and all piers could do was scream "BEES!!!"
@@aparajita2023 Yeah the same was happening to the chef, he didn't get angry tho. You do know that bees pollinate the flowers on fruit and vegetables which helps growth, so bees are just as important and that's what piers was putting across, ok not the best way to put that across, but never the less they're just as important, and still a living creature too and the vegan didn't think another living creature like bees were as important, only pigs and other animals we eat apparently, a life is a life is it not?.
Piers, this is not your best work. You were out debated very soundly. Your guest was well prepared and I’m afraid that you weren’t. Quoting the guardian is like using Wikipedia in a bibliography.
@@tinaleanne8230 Because he didn't have to. If you listen closely, you'll hear him explain how the honey industry is responsible for this exploitation and how the bees die from natural causes most of all, apart from 7%.
@@tinaleanne8230 did you manage to listen to joey at all? cause what you said proves you didnt hear joeys answer, maybe piers interrupting him non stop was a good reason for you to not hear what joey said 🤣😂
Vegans still do more damage with avocados though 😂 and I've always known this as I grew up eating them to know they are not native to the UK and are imported via plane, vegans seem to love them though and won't ever denounce them for the damage they do from the sharp increase of western world vegans consumption of them, vegans talk about animal cruelty but never do the rest of the math, like how even if we freed all the animals and all turned vegan we basically will end up having to kill animals for no reason but control their numbers and the negative impact that huge influx of uncontrolled wild breeding and the rotting animal carcuses everywhere would have
I’m a meat eater and have sausages couple of times a week. Im not naive to what animals go through, but choose not to think about it. However when this vegan mentioned the pigs I actually looked up one of the many videos! The pigs are led on a conveyor belt and many already sense the danger of the gas chamber that takes in 2-3 pigs at a time. As they try to manoeuvre away from it..they are prodded in the ass with an cattle prod to force them inside. There was a camera inside the chamber too..and the screams are horrific..it’s not a quick death! All pork products are now off my menu! But it’s also made me think more about other meats too. Im just so used to eating meat I don’t know how I would make a transition to a purely vegetarian diet. But animals are used to make all sorts of products not just food. It’s made me think at least!
And in nature when lions or tigers eat little deers or zebras or monkeys or whatever, do you think they sing them a lullaby or something so they don't scream or don't get stressed when they are slowly eaten and torn apart. Or when snakes eat little rabbits. Or when a shark or a crocodile tears apart and drowns their prey? What do you call that, a nice party? Do you want to put headphones to the pigs with nice music so they don't hear the other pigs being slaughtered... would it be ok to you then? Or should we teach the pigs to scream in a less horrific way so you don't get so offended? And I'm going to tell you a little secret and I hope you don't kill yourself after learning this terrible fact: Humans even kill other Humans!!!!!! and not just for eating purposes, sometimes just for territorial dominance, for vengeance, for pleasure, for money... I hope it doesn't shock you too much! be strong! NOW that should make you think at least!!!!!
@@lewisfromspain2915 ok calm down..mr Lewis from Spain!! First off, I gave my viewpoint on something, and didn’t once lecture anyone else to stop eating meat! I’m well aware of how nature works you idiot! But human beings have more choices than a lion, a shark, or any other animal! Imagine going on rant that long and not having a point at the end of it!! I can imagine you get offended when people bring up the cruelty of bull fighting in Spain..and I bet your response is..”let me tell you a little secret..bulls hurt other animals too in the wild”🤦🏽♂️
That's ace you've seen the footage and taken steps to avoid the products you mention. Hats off to you mate 👌 I did the same thing around 4 years ago having watched land of hope and glory (available on TH-cam) and went vegan straight off the bat. I would say take it slow and just change out meals a few times a week rather than going full vegan / vegetarian as you'll be so used to eating a certain way. Following pages like the save movement or activists like Earthling Ed as well as Joey Carbstrong will make the dietary decisions you make easier too. Hang in there and just try to be mindful of what goes into the production of the products you consume when next in the supermarket 👌
It just shows how much attention he pays to his "guests", joey was actually laughing throughout the whole thing and good job too as that was holding him back from jumping over the desk and throttling him.
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent not really, Piers has actually taken quite a ok position on this show compared to what he was like before. Objectively hes right. but you have an pre-formed opinion of him so will always say that.
OH SHIIIIIIIET WELL SAID DAMMMM the contrast IS AMAZINGLY PUT in evidence,, fuck you gotta make a permanent picture meme and i want to save it (fkin yuotube wouldnt allow it here urgh
American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations. U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported. Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end. Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.
i can tell he can definitely handle criticism, he's been a chef for 30 years. if the criticism is about the taste, the quality, the freshness of ingredients that are being used then its fine. but these toxic vegans are leaving nonsense comments/reviews about the restaurant.
@@sambaines2 Morgan is a shock jock, I've never met anyone who is vegetarian or vegan who Bangs on about their diet! It's always ppl like Morgan and meat eaters that go on about it. I'm vegetarian almost vegan and I didn't know about almonds. Now I do I don't eat any almonds anymore and I check origin or avocados. I'm sick of Morgan stoking wars
@@tinaleanne8230 Because killing the pig is 100% essential to eating their corpse. Killing bees is not. Vegans do not live on avocados and almonds, vegans might not even eat them at all. Animal abusers eat almonds and avocados too so it's not even a vegan problem is it. Insects might get squashed by me walking to work. Should I stay indoors forever? You and Piers are ridiculous. Same level of intellect that's for sure.
I'm not a vegan, and I like Piers. But I feel like this "debate" was pretty one-sided. Joey tried to discuss an official U.S. statistical report and he was dismissed off-hand. Joey kept getting cut-off and his points weren't even discussed, they were just dismissed. This wasn't much of a debate.
Because Piers realises "There is no debate" These people are activists, plain and simple. No matter what reports they have, no matter what garb they speak, the moment you give them airtime, you have already proved them wrong withing 2 seconds. Piers has been doing this job for decades, he knows where the end result is before it starts. Please educate your namby pamby self out of your stupidity. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES. Deal with it, move on, no debate.
@@alexkaapa why do you vegans feel entitled to go to a normal restaurants and get a vegan meal ?? the world has been eating animal meats for millennia's and suddenly a minor group called vegans got introduced 10, 15 years ago. why the fuck do you expect the world to understand you? you eat your plant in peace and let us eat our animal meat in peace. you do you but stop trying to force your agenda on others who doesn't want to be part of your craziness. LGTV group and Vegan group are the consequences of the internet and woke culture.
To be fair his guests usually have terrible arguments or just factually untrue. If you look most of his interviews he let a lot of them finish their arguments
Thats the point... Big braindead Piers doesnt have any valid arguments, so he just shouts the same point over and over whilst dismissing hardened evidence if the face of debate. Childish and unprofessional behaviour.
@@ageorgiev89 Which question in this video was ignored? Piers asked a question & when Joey started to reply, he kept interrupting. Not even willing to listen & understand.
Quoting a publication from your opponent has merit. And did you notice that Joey did not deny it was true? The long term study did not break it down to this level. One study of the overall cause of death of bees does not dismiss *THE FACT* of the number of bees killed to pollinate almonds [don't know about avocados]. This point trying to be made was: If you do not eat pigs because they are killed, why do you eat almonds because bees are killed to grow them.
@@tinaleanne8230 Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic and unnecessary, as a source of nutrient. Spraying pesticides on farms is necessary but not intrinsic to eating plant food. Also, the publication was not "from the opponent", so the merit you're talking about is non existent. What matters more is the actual primary source info which Joey used that simply debunks piers Morgan BS arguments.
@@gurumage9555 The publication is is a vegan publication so if you are vegan then it can be refereed to as 'your publication' in an argument where you could counter that you do not follow/believe that publication but he did not do that. So, you are conceding that killing animals for food is OK. I am not going to use your poor sentence structure against you but you stated: "Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic as a source of nutrient" which is exactly opposite of you stance. It was not debunked, it was ignored. The fact is that the killing of the bees are *known and planned* collateral damage in the commercial farming of the almonds. You will forever lose the debate unless you acknowledge that the killing of animals is required to feed the world. The next phase of the debate is that who decides what animals are OK to be killed. Be careful to not fall into the debate trap of only the ugly animals or not so smart animals can be killed. Debating is a science that requires careful thought. I will concede that the resources used to breed today's animal produce far exceeds the resources needed to produce a plant based diet. Here is an argument I use (there is no answer and is a debate trap): The beef and chicken in my freezer resulted in the creation of a life. Would it be better that the multitudes of animal life that has been created and is being created never had the opportunity of life?
@@tinaleanne8230 For someone who roleplays as a debate expert your capicity for logical and critical thinking seems lacking. Firstly "vegan publication" isn't really a thing. Besides there is no authoritative source in which the vegan movement base its views on. It is not a religion. What matters here is the science and scientific publications, which clearly sides with vegans on a whole host of issues. Secondly pointing out that animal agriculture as we practice intrinsically requires the death and slaughtering of billions of sentient beings doesn't in any way go against my vegan philosphy. I'm just stating the nature of farming animals. And to answer your question. There is no moral obligation/imperative to create life, but there is moral obligation not to treat sentient beings inhumanely. Creating life in of itself has no value on its own, and creating life only to be subjected to cruel and inhumane treatment is anything but an "opportunity"
it wasn't about winning or losing... it was about making a point, the point that vegans are hypocrites, and bullies, both of those points where made... they gang together, and don't accept that millions of bees die via the pollinating process of avocados and almond trees,
Bwhahaha being vegan isn't like being black. You can't poise this as discrimination. If he doesn't want to cook you plant food, he doesn't have to and that's his right. Entitled clowns like you nowadays never fail to make me laugh.
@@Idkchangethislater bro surely you cant be this stupid, you can bend statistics however you want. ignore relevant areas that are critical to the truth etc.. jesus people in this day and age will believe just about anything 😅
I pay that "debate" to Joey via technical knockout. Well done, mate. Also, if you ever want to know what Piers Morgan's kryptonite is, mention Meghan Markle. At least then you have a chance of winning the debate.
Vegans are literally insufferable! The guy complaining was in a gang and after he left it. He joined the vegan cult and still admitted to dreaming of killing humans and babies. What a psycho!
@@AlexAlex-yf7yw he doesn’t eat it because he disagrees with it morally so obviously he’s going to advocate for people to do the same. If you disagreed with slavery in the 1700s would you have simply not bought a slave or would you have advocated for other people to also not keep slaves? It’s called being morally consistent
@@STRIDwastaken i think vegans are trying to say that pigs are more sentient than bees, so the screaming coming from these gas chambers is a fear response from an animal that's smart enough to process suffering, a bit like in nazi Germany when they gassed the poor Jewish folks
Not really cause joeys argument are so stupid. He calls the owner childish when the vegans are so ignorant and childish to 1 star review someone just because they don’t share their views of animals.
What argument could justify the mass breading, torment and slaughter of farm animals for a reason that isn't necessary? It isn't hard to debate someone who argues for animal abuse. @@hntrl8880
Because the claim that bee harm proves veganism is not valid is a logical fallacy -- the nirvana fallacy. You can also make a case that it's a strawman argument too, because the bee harm to which he's referring would not occur in a vegan world as bees would never be employed and exploited as laborers -- let alone killed. However, this whole thing is rather silly since, other than citing a vague article, Piers does not offer empirical evidence for this claim. Furthermore, if it were that case that bees were intentionally and avoidably harmed and exploited in the process of farming avocados and almonds there isn't a vegan alive who wouldn't be concerned. Finally, the example was given in bad faith since it's pretty obvious Piers doesn't give an actual fig. @@dontknowwhattocallmyself.5144
But bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered. What, you didn't find that to be a brilliant argument?
@@joshpettersen5560 FINALLY found someone to agree with! Thats what im saying to them bro! I 100% agree with you. I always say : if human meat is so delicious, what is there to debate about bro? I wanna eat human meat, why are you all trying to debate me for it? Meat is delicious but when it comes to human, dog and cat meat ITS GLORIOUS, so why are they all trying to debate me that its morally wrong to eat human meat? There are is no morals and ethics when it comes to what you eat, wear, do in your daily life. If something tastes delicious you eat it, if something look gorgeous you wear it, if some girl is sexy on the street you grab her and r*ape her, whats all about that "not being moral" boring stuff that these people talk about right? Im so happy we both agree on that!
So let me get this straight. The argument goes as follows: 1. The industrial production of almonds and avocados is harmful to bee populations. 2. The small proportion of the world that is vegan will perhaps during the course of consuming their plant-based diet, on occasion, consume almonds and avocados. 3. The rest of the world, who make up the vast majority, by orders of magnitude, of almond and avocado consumers can be excused of moral culpability for these harmful industrial farming practices. 4. Trying to reduce animal suffering by not participating in an industry which raises the vast majority of its creatures in unspeakable factory farming conditions, to be slaughtered in inhumane ways…..is a bad thing….. because……bees. 5. It’s not possible to be opposed to farming practices which harm bees AND cruel farming practices which harm creatures with much higher levels of sentience. 6. Bees. 7. Animal cruelty is bad. I’m 100% against it. Except in the case of food production, in which case, it’s a shame but needs must. 8. Bees. 9. Bacon. Yum. Well done Piers. Knocked it out of the park.
actually the bee problem is just a little addition to the almond and avocado issue, the real problem is the amount of water needed + the cartels and exploitation of the workforce , so even if Piers motives are just a fraction of the problem , avocado and almond production for the global population should not exist
@@TB-tc5zb you’re funny, humane way 😂 how compassionate of you to kill an animal for taste, it’s also funny you think animals either gassed, shot, or throat slit is kind to animals 🤦♂️ i must of missed the part where animals enjoy to be on our plates 👍🏼 Killing any animal is cruel, if it was a dog or cat you’d be shouting out cruelty, the same goes for all species
@@McInna Your funny in a vegan way😆😆😆😆 when there IS proven science that plants feel pain. And all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves from being eaten.😆😆😆😆😆
Nobody cares I eat a pound of meat every day sometimes almost 2 on my days off and I’ve been doing that since I’m 6 years old come from butchers family the more vegans better prices for meat 🥩
@@eduardoarty1228 Wrong, because the more vegans the less the government will likely subsidise the costs that keep meat prices down. Vegans will no longer be accept taxes to subsidize animal exploitation. .
@@csho6512 bro I'm being ironic here, I'll never turn vegan for my own reasons. I was just trying to say that Piers couldn't even formulate 1 convincing argument in this debate
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more misleading title. I feel bad for Piers if he seriously believes this is true. And if that’s the case, this reinforces the notion that Carnists are the ones who prefer to stay in the dark.
American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations. U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported. Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end. Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.
Piers doesn't seriously believe this is true. He was unable to counter Joey's points and began using 'debate tactics' and misdirection. I barely watch Morgan nowadays but I'm glad I watched this. Any fair minded person knows he looked foolish here.
@@PunsaraSagarage It was a strange debate, since those 70% of avocados are produced in Cali with imported bees and require a lot of water. Could correlate a lot of the wildfires there cause massive amount of animal deaths years with how the industry has preferential treatment. The study he quoted mentioned that only 6% of bees die from pesticides yearly.. I ain't sure on what exact study he was referring to, or why was not asked.
He was saying bees get murdered because the whole point of vegan arguments is that animals get murdered which they say is wrong but yet doesn't matter when it's other smaller beings for vegans food. Piers was pointing out the hypocrosy by saying bees get murdered. That's obvious to anyone and an easy point to understand, but obviously not for you! How are you this stuipid?
The only reason Piers was saying it was to point out the hypocrisy of vegans, not because he actually thinks bees are "murdered" he was just using the vegans slogan against them. They claim killing an animal is murder. following that logic then they are all mass murderers as well.
Does piers really think he destroyed joey? Joey easily 2vs1'd and got the arguments on his side while you tried to make him stop talking because you know hes right😂
@@tinaleanne8230 Um, you missed the part where Joey proved vegans have NOTHING to do with "murdering bees" and while Piers does with his eating honey AND dead bodies of animals.
Apparently vegans like to ignore the thousands of insects and animals that are killed, or as vegans say- murdered, when land is cleared to grow crops that they buy at the supermarket. And the thousands of animals and insects that are killed with farm equipment every harvest season due to crop deaths. Science proved years ago that all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves.
@@glennbishopbishthemagish Give it up, the vegans have been trying the bash me all day because I made similar comments. Apparently it is only certain animals that have rights. Kinda like the BLM. One actually tried to claim that a pig is like a 3 year old human so I asked that if intelligence is the deciding factor then why they don't eat fish.
@jameshewitt8971 Well Mr. Hewitt, no animals other than humans can be murdered because the legal definition of 'murder' only applies to human beings. For your education: Commercial almond growers contract bee keepers to pollinate the almond trees. Once the pollination is determined to be completed, they spray insecticide to kill insects that are harmful to the trees BEFORE all the bees are gone. So, the bees are known collateral dead only for the farming of almonds. If to be vegan is against the killing of animals then why do vegans eat almonds or any agriculture that may use insecticide to kill animal life? *THAT* is the argument that none of you can comprehend.
But bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered
When he’s saying about the mites, I’m sure the mites wouldn’t spread and cause such a problem if those billions of bees weren’t grouped in one place, does he not know infestations spread 😂
As someone who worked as a beekeeper I can say that the impact of pollination on varroa levels was never noticeable. The fact of the matter is varroa gets out of hand when hives are not being checked on frequently, and during pollination we are constantly interacting with those hives and checking them.
@@Luke73195 Breeding billions and billions of animals into existence every year, just to slaughter them at a mere fraction of their life span is not natural
Bees are primarily female: only the drones are male, and only used to fertilise the queen bee! They are kicked out by the females in the Autumn as if you don't work you don't eat in a Bee Hive! The workers make sure that the honey stores are not eaten by the lazy Drones!
It was great viewing meant to aggravate the vegan whacko. But unfortunately annoyed him too much so he just shouted over everyone. So poor tv. We want to see whackos acting crazy, but not that crazy.
@@flower80818So bees lives aren't important, without bees plants can't grow, so where are the vegans gonna get their veggies, the bees pollinate the plants lol.
@@turtleman8968 Bees have a very rudimentary nervous system, and therefore we can be virtually certain that they do not suffer _nearly_ as much as a pig or a cow, even when they number in the billions. And most "meat-eaters" still enjoy almond or avacado-based products from time to time anyway.
Piers should have asked about him about the widespread consumption of vegan meat alternatives. They are ultra processed and are among the most unhealthiest things currently being eaten by vegans
It made me cry when he said about the pig gas chambers..that's horrendous..and wtf that chef cradling a dead piglet?that's sick..I don't eat meat..and it's upsetting that people don't care..it's so sad
But you use animal products. Can you tell me what the difference is? An animal still has to be killed for your enjoyment. You are on your computer, which is run on animal cholestrol. So are you saying that if you can't see the animal, it doesn't count?
I definitely don't think Piers Morgan destroyed Joey Carbstrong here. In fact, Morgan was very much on the back foot. Carbstrong gave him a real run for his money, such as Morgan isn't used to having dished out to him.
Piers Morgan lies more times in this interview than Meghan Markle did in her Oprah interview. He also seems to think that vegans only eat almonds and avocados and that non-vegans never eat avocados and almonds.
Where did he lie? And he never said vegans ONLY eat avocados and almonds, and that meat eaters don't are you an idiot? Did we even watch the same video? He's using it as an example. My god..
No, he's stating the hypocrisy of it. It is a fact that large amounts of bees are killed in almond and avocado agriculture. Vegans eat almonds and avocados, yet they state that they never harm animals when bees are killed in their food production.
Can't stand his interview technique but it wouldn't matter I'd non vegans ate those as they aren't the ones complaining about animals cruelty or save the planet. Reduce emissions etc.
veganism isn't about never killing or causing harm, it's about taking every action a person is able to take to stop exploitation and cruelty to animals
People are omnivores. We are apex predators. Have any vegans watched video of hyenas or lions bringing down gazelles? Cattle in North America die in a much more humane manner than animals in the wild. I have no problem with vegans choosing for themselves what they eat. They need to afford the rest of us the same courtesy. They need to get off their sanctimonius high horses.
I've seen vegans causing harm in some restaurants and you are being cruel to yourself if you don't allow yourself to eat meat. The result is just another hungry angry vegan that thinks he's better than everybody else. And normal people don't care about vegans and their stupid claims.
But what about the other 40% that aren’t killed by mites - lets say 20% die of natural causes, 20% die due to land clearing for growing vegetables. Then vegans are killing 1/2 the population that could have died from natural causes. Simply saying ‘its not true because 60% die due to mites’ does not disprove Morgans statement. Morgan also did not say that mites ‘don’t kill bees - both statements are true. Two sides, one coin.
Just because a certain percentage of bees did from mites doesn't make the death of bees from almond agriculture void . Learn how to interpret studies pal. Bees are certainly killed in there millions because of almond trade . Anyone can cherry pick a paper
Actually he didn't, because so many bees being carried to the orchards for pollination of course results in spreading those mites and more colonies getting infected, so the bees are being killed by mites as a *consequence* of the "almond milk" production. Also without the bees from the "commercial honey industry" he so detests the "almond milk" production just can't keep up with the vegans demand.
actually he didn't he presented data with out context. he keeps saying it is mites killing bees and yest that is true. But he is either ignorant of or worse purposely avoiding the fact of how these mites are being transmitted to wild bee colonies. He neglects to mention that due to the vast size of the monoculture plantations created to grow what he eats. The use of migratory bee keeping has become necessary in order to pollinate the crops. and it is this migratory bee keeping where hives are taken from one place to another then another that spreads mites an diseases that causes wild bee colonies to be killed off. but he choses to ignore that of wilfully choses to neglect to mention that because it doesn't support his ideology. And it is not just bees these monocultures grown for human consumption are effecting monocultures destroy ecosystems and bio diversity and even destroy the very soil they are grown in. and it is not just almonds and avocados either it is many crops after all orangutangs are not on the brink of extinction because of meat farming are they. It s due to monoculture plantations to farm a plant based product that is used for human consumption and in particular as a plant based fat in many vegan substitute foods.
@@tinaleanne8230 Because bees are almost exclusively killed by parasites that spread through commercial honey farms. These parasites are extremely tough due to generations of pasticide exposure and pose a serious threat to wild bees as well. Vegans boycott honey. The problem is that piers morgan knows his viewers lack critical thinking skills and wont do their own research, thats why he just states random nonsense and seems to always get away with it.
Piers is entirely incorrect here, he was not prepared to look at the scientific factual data, but rather quote a newspaper article that he would love to cling to in order to support his ludicrous argument.
We had a bee company that pollinated avocados and billions did not die. And last time I looked more meat eaters eat avocados and almonds than vegans do.
perhaps because meat eaters are a much larger group than vegans and also the bee dying argument does not apply to meat eaters because they dont attempt to act on a moral compass when it comes to eating food
He made a valid comment on avocados and almonds. But Piers was doing it mainly to get the vegan guy on the wrong foot. It kinds of work because the vegan acted like a twit screaming while frantically waving a sheet. A poor advertisement for veganism for sure. I wanted to hear from the chef though.
@@BDub2024 the chef who says that is against animal cruelty while having a profile photo with a dead pig? Is that the chef you meant? And what exactly did you wanna hear from someone like that?
Facts, sure... data that proved Morgan's point. Billions of bees died for the listed reasons Joey said, but Morgan responded... because they're put there to make avocados and almonds. Am I missing something?
@firewithfire2745 The argument wasn't about gas chambers. The argument was that animals such as pigs die in order to consume them and bees die in order to consume almonds and avocados. Joey's data is correct, BUT fails to understand that the bees were collected from around the country and put in the "mite chambers" in order to produce avocados.
@firewithfire2745Because of the simple point that some vegans could not care less about cruelty, unless is for the specific animals they care for. Cruelty against humans who disagree with them, is clearly not a concern. 11:33 He never said specifically that he was ok with with that specifically, but as you clearly didn't/wanted to listen it makes no difference for me pointing it out.
Why does piers keep denying what he said about the bees? They are not killed by pollination, rather by mites. It is not against veganism to eat almonds and avocados.
Its all entertainment you know. His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. This vegan didn't even have the brains to let the other guy talk, so he won't get invited back. Its good to have whackos on, but if they're smart they give their views and let others give their views. Otherwise, it makes poor TV.
It's not a poor argument... Piers just mentioned the bees. If you go talk to a farmer with an orchard, you will find that they kill alot more than just a few bees.
For several years now I have been following the science around bees and what we can do to help. Like planting Sun Flowers and other flowers / weeds in our garden etc. Anyway ... I saw a documentary about bees and almonds in California. You're 100% right about the bees. Humans don't need to eat almonds and I certainly don't eat them as part of my Keto lifestyle. After the Almonds and Avocados you speak of what about the amount of tinned produce that vegans eat... no pollution making tinned products eh.
Some of us do. I can't have dairy, soy, or oat milk because of my stomach, so I stick with almond milk. I've seen other milk alternatives, but they can be around double the price, and it doesn't fit in my budget.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
Richard Dawkins: "I would like everybody to be a vegetarian... In 100 or 200 years time, we may look back on the way we treated animals today as something like we today look back on the way our forefathers treated slaves."
Depends on the race of the slave, certain races belong as slaves and cannot actually be trusted with freedom. Same with animals, some animals are meant to be food for other animals, that's just the nature of things. I feel absolutely no guilt over slavery and I fully believe certain races should be forced to work, should they be treated poorly? Absolutely not! But forced to work? Absolutely yes.
Bur vegetarianism is also very cruel. I saw the interview with Richard Dawkins where PM didn't interrupt or talk over him. He should show Joey the same respect..
@@lukej7283Damn, you a True racist dude😂 Just admit you racist to blacks and want to rape them, take totally advantage of them. But you racist LOVE "Rock and Roll" which come from black music.
He didn't lose harder because he is always constantly interrupting, there's no good argument against veganism apart from 'i dont care about harming animals for my own taste pleasure'. He doesn't want to say that so he just shouts 'bees bees bees' cuz there's literally nothing else he could think of
Piers sold his soul for money and attention and does not care for the outcome of the debate intellectually. He literally does it on purpose because I know he is not that dumb.
@@pepperpig649 I agree. He's become a master bullshitter. He's obviously on the payroll of the royal family and maybe MI5. He is so one sided regarding the Russian Ukraine war. It seems like he's a propaganda machine for whoever slips him money.
How ..he basically exposed the hypocrisy of Vegans , they don't give a shi about insects ..they kill mosquitos and cockroaches but talk about animal cruelty
Lol, are you a carnivorous plant or are you a human living in modern day society with hundreds of options other than hunks of corpse and exploited secretions?
It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely physical effect on the human temperament, would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.~~Albert Einstein
Unfortunately Einstein was all talk and no action. He couldn't even make the commitment to the still-cruel diet of vegetarianism, much less the moral principles of veganism. Not a good source for vegans to quote.
@@Empathy4Animals411 He was born to a Christian family so had to deal with the norms & traditions, not an easy task when God is involved. He said: I have always eaten animal flesh with a somewhat guilty conscience. Later in his life, he gave up meat. He was late to put it into effect & he admitted that & most importantly, he recommends vegetarianism.
He never said he didn’t, his point is why not advocate for all creatures especially the ones that help produce a part of your diet…I’ve seen another interview he did with another vegan and stated the same thing
@@mina2719vegans do advocate for all creatures, why do you think they don’t consume honey? Vegans make up less than 2% of the population yet apparently are responsible for all the avocados and almonds eaten.. Piers doesn’t give a shit about the bees, it’s just the only argument he can think of lol
If every human on the planet turned vegan we would run out of food within a month. Billions of 🐝 will die a day and then the planet would follow. Absolute idiots 😂
Joey has the facts and figures that bees are killed by mites and Piers just says “Joey Joey Joey even the guardian says billions of bees are murdered by vegans for avocados”. Massive respect for Joey! This makes Piers look completely unintelligent and ignorant.
Glad you agree that bringing them cross country to be infected by mites fall in line with what Piers was saying. Joey uses animal products anyway. He has no credibility.
I think a lot of people would agree with you. The problem is when they start bombarding your business with negative reviews to the point where your bottom line is affected. Or they come to you (without invitation )as you are eating meat just to inform you of the ill-treatment of animals.
PM is actually ganging up on Joey with the help of his guest. He will never, ever, have an equal number of astute vegans to match him and his carcass-guzzling friends.
@@DisagreeinpeaceExcept that you are. In the days of slavery, do you think you would have been the sort of person who would denounce slavery when nobody else was doing it? No need to answer, because we know.
Ur delusional.. the guy kept screaming like a girl… and taking out guardian articles… 🤣… piers didn’t even have to argue anything.. that lowlife totally made himself ridiculous.. mommy told him that he was special.. 🤣
@@wolfhugs2221 Joey knows full well Piers is a fool, which is why he came prepared with statistics and ready to talk over him to get any points in. Ed's been on other fool's shows, I'm sure he'd love to taken on Piers as well
His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. For many thousands of years people have eaten animals while treating them as pets and with kindness. They don't believe in animal cruelty either. We all know that people CAN have different views. Values DO change over time. We can have different views and be tolerant. Not like the vegan guy that kept screaming over everyone. Remember this is entertainment!!!
@@BDub2024 You should know then that the only way you get a word in edge wise on this show is to speak over the man who is speaking over you. So if Joey was docile this would somehow have gone better for him? Get real. Hilarious to call Joey the intolerant one. How is fighting to protect animals anything other than being tolerant???? Try tolerant toward other species. It's only intolerant if your definition of intolerance is someone being passionate about something you disagree with. You want people to just roll over and speak kindly when they disagree with you, and on the Piers Morgan show of all places. And it's not "kindness" to cut a pigs throat when you have the option to eat something else. Plain and simple.
What point was that? Bees aren’t killed by avocado and almond farming because 60% of the millions of bees that die do so because of parasites? That leaves another 40% of the millions of bees. What point did he make exactly?
@@AABB-or8qv Bess are dying ebcause of Parasite, deseases, bad nutrition(bee farms takes all the honey and gives sirrup and other substitutes for the bees to eat, instead of just taking half the honey) and pestisides, bees are not dying directly from farming, and vocados and almonds are eaten by everybody, not just vegans, so literally EVERYBODY is killing bees by bad practices.
He did not make his point, actually side stepped the argument and has you all fooled. It is simple: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?
@@tinaleanne8230 It is wrong killing bees, but veganism is not the cause of it, nor vegans, vegans don't consume honey, so they doent contribute to the farming of bees for honey, and the bees that die at farms die for farming bad practices, vegans are also against bee farming dude, no vegan said or think killing bees is not wrong, the vegan in the video perfectly said vegans are not to blame for bees death's rate, while pierce was stucked on blaming vegans fro the bees death jsut because it was on an article.
In as much as Piers is an interviewer you gotta give your visitors a chance to talk instead of punching down the guys. i think all his interviews are just him telling the other party his opinion regardless of what they are trying to say or explain
I grew up by a pig slaughter house and he is correct. We could hear them squealing, and literally crying. Us kids use to be so sad outside playing listening to that. Tried to get in there one time.
Why you need to call it bacon? It’s not bacon. Bacon is made out of pork. NOT Turkey, NOT plants. Call it something else. Veggie BURGER, VEGGIE buffalo wings. STOP USING WORDS THAT PERTAIN TO MEAT. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES, NOT VEGAN.
I am gluten-intolerant and i went to a restaurant that had nothing I could eat. I just went out without any fuzz, not everyone needs to cater to you. There are thousands of restaurants.
I think the point was (from what I heard) that the woman contacted the chef in advance, twice, and while he said he would cater for her he ultimately overcharged her (30+$?) for a non substantial plate of some veggies. Isn't that underdelivering or even a broken promise? And then the deserved criticism she left lead to the ban of all Vegans. Yet, as Joey said, he didn't ban all fishers for his other bad review a fisher man left..
That s adult behaviour, instead of boycotting a mans life work in case of this man’s restaurant. He s responsable for the family off his staff, for kids...I saw a piece of the physical attack on this man s restaurant was pure criminal behaviour
He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.
@@thanasisgod8226 He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.
-Joey "would you rather drink urine than eat a plant based diet?"
-Piers "absolutely"
In a desert without water. That's what Bear Grills does, not in the usual circumstances.
Meanwhile the audiences chanting
"DO IT, DO IT, DO IT"
@@memberofthewatchercouncil1738 😂😂😂
It's not even urine, it's the equivalent of breast milk.
Why that statement even came out to?
Where's the part where Piers "destroys" the vegan?
In the title.
@@dannyarcher6370😂😂😂
The carrot muncher destroyed himself by getting too emotional and triggered.
@@Paul-ts5qwpiers cudnt even address his study 😂 he literally had nothing on him other than trying to out shout him
No one got destroyed in this interview. I'm not on either side with this argument, see both sides. Everyone always thinks they won. It's childish.
“I’ve defended the bees for years “. 😂😂😂
Has a buzz to it
😂 I died when Piers said that 😆
😂😂
Such a sarcastic comment, love it.
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I don't understand why Piers invites guests and then doesn't let them speak?? He does it to every guest whos points of view he doesn't share. What kind of journalism is that? Difficult to listen and not very informational.
The guy wouldn't shut up the whole time. How is that not letting him speak?
I'm not a vegan, and I agree with Piers on quite a few things. That being said, this was very poor debating with his only ammunition being one article from the guardian about bees. The chef accepted her booking then did not provide her with food - she was not some irate woman who turned up to a meat restaurant demanding to be fed. I would be pissed off too if I were her - she is not nuts for being irritated or leaving a bad review and frankly Joey has a point about killing animals in cruel ways where they suffer, and I do find posing with a dead piglet as a joke pretty distasteful. In many ancient cultures even when you killed an animal you respected it and tried to ensure as little pain as possible.
Piers must know that there isn't a good argument to not be vegan, not if you say you are against animal cruelty... you either admit that u have no problem with harming and killing animals for taste pleasure or u try to come up with excuses maybe like 'bees! Bees! Bees!'
Very mature and balanced response. Thank you for posting it.
Have to agree. Veganism is one debate Piers fails at miserably every time. Tired of the bee story already. I am not vegan either by the way.
whats guardian?
I mean, restaurants really don't have to make whatever you want, especially if you don't tell them when you're coming? That woman is nuts.
Piers is getting too annoying.
Lol, I don't think this went how Piers thinks it went.
Oh it definitely did. The vegan was embarrassed
The vegan got triggered, he didn't win lol, were you watching the video, piers and the chef were calm. When you get angry you automatically lose the argument lol. 😂
@@MrKanyeZ don’t think the vegan was embarrassed at all, he had scientific data supporting his claim, all Piers was able to quote was an article in a newspaper.
Scientific data would generally take precedence over a newspaper article posted by a journalist in any other facet of life, so why would we take a newspaper article more seriously than a scientific published paper in this case?
On the topic of bees, the vegan was actually correct, you can find the data yourself. And those bees come from the very industry in which vegans don’t support, the honey industry, which Piers does support.
I’d be embarrassed if I was Piers on this one.
@@emmahowells8334 yeah obviously, any person would get angry when the host doesn't even let you finish your sentence and ignores the actual data which you are holding up on his face. Joey presented facts and all piers could do was scream "BEES!!!"
@@aparajita2023 Yeah the same was happening to the chef, he didn't get angry tho. You do know that bees pollinate the flowers on fruit and vegetables which helps growth, so bees are just as important and that's what piers was putting across, ok not the best way to put that across, but never the less they're just as important, and still a living creature too and the vegan didn't think another living creature like bees were as important, only pigs and other animals we eat apparently, a life is a life is it not?.
Piers, this is not your best work. You were out debated very soundly. Your guest was well prepared and I’m afraid that you weren’t. Quoting the guardian is like using Wikipedia in a bibliography.
I googled it. Piers is right about that. Vegans that say they care about animals are just a bunch of hypocrites.
U don’t win by being angry like a spoilt brat. Pierce and the chef able to maintain his composure and the vegan guest is not.
But quoting a publication from your opponent has merit. And did you notice that Joey did not deny it was true?
@@tinaleanne8230 Because he didn't have to. If you listen closely, you'll hear him explain how the honey industry is responsible for this exploitation and how the bees die from natural causes most of all, apart from 7%.
@@tinaleanne8230 did you manage to listen to joey at all? cause what you said proves you didnt hear joeys answer, maybe piers interrupting him non stop was a good reason for you to not hear what joey said 🤣😂
I just read the report Joey had, it's 1000% correct. Piers just hates to lose. Bees die from the pesticides not from the making of almonds.
It’s the literally same thing lol? The use of Pesticides on the flowering tree is what kills the bees… Piers was not wrong
Did you read what piers Said? 50 billion bees died to make almond milk.
@@zfi3142 that’s not true.
Vegans still do more damage with avocados though 😂 and I've always known this as I grew up eating them to know they are not native to the UK and are imported via plane, vegans seem to love them though and won't ever denounce them for the damage they do from the sharp increase of western world vegans consumption of them,
vegans talk about animal cruelty but never do the rest of the math, like how even if we freed all the animals and all turned vegan we basically will end up having to kill animals for no reason but control their numbers and the negative impact that huge influx of uncontrolled wild breeding and the rotting animal carcuses everywhere would have
Yours isn't clown@@tylerj7298
I’m a meat eater and have sausages couple of times a week. Im not naive to what animals go through, but choose not to think about it. However when this vegan mentioned the pigs I actually looked up one of the many videos! The pigs are led on a conveyor belt and many already sense the danger of the gas chamber that takes in 2-3 pigs at a time. As they try to manoeuvre away from it..they are prodded in the ass with an cattle prod to force them inside. There was a camera inside the chamber too..and the screams are horrific..it’s not a quick death! All pork products are now off my menu! But it’s also made me think more about other meats too. Im just so used to eating meat I don’t know how I would make a transition to a purely vegetarian diet. But animals are used to make all sorts of products not just food. It’s made me think at least!
And in nature when lions or tigers eat little deers or zebras or monkeys or whatever, do you think they sing them a lullaby or something so they don't scream or don't get stressed when they are slowly eaten and torn apart. Or when snakes eat little rabbits. Or when a shark or a crocodile tears apart and drowns their prey? What do you call that, a nice party?
Do you want to put headphones to the pigs with nice music so they don't hear the other pigs being slaughtered... would it be ok to you then?
Or should we teach the pigs to scream in a less horrific way so you don't get so offended?
And I'm going to tell you a little secret and I hope you don't kill yourself after learning this terrible fact: Humans even kill other Humans!!!!!! and not just for eating purposes, sometimes just for territorial dominance, for vengeance, for pleasure, for money... I hope it doesn't shock you too much! be strong!
NOW that should make you think at least!!!!!
@@lewisfromspain2915 ok calm down..mr Lewis from Spain!! First off, I gave my viewpoint on something, and didn’t once lecture anyone else to stop eating meat!
I’m well aware of how nature works you idiot! But human beings have more choices than a lion, a shark, or any other animal! Imagine going on rant that long and not having a point at the end of it!!
I can imagine you get offended when people bring up the cruelty of bull fighting in Spain..and I bet your response is..”let me tell you a little secret..bulls hurt other animals too in the wild”🤦🏽♂️
@@lewisfromspain2915 what point are you trying to make?
Your thoughts, compassion and action are commendable.
That's ace you've seen the footage and taken steps to avoid the products you mention. Hats off to you mate 👌 I did the same thing around 4 years ago having watched land of hope and glory (available on TH-cam) and went vegan straight off the bat. I would say take it slow and just change out meals a few times a week rather than going full vegan / vegetarian as you'll be so used to eating a certain way. Following pages like the save movement or activists like Earthling Ed as well as Joey Carbstrong will make the dietary decisions you make easier too. Hang in there and just try to be mindful of what goes into the production of the products you consume when next in the supermarket 👌
Why does he think only vegans eat almonds?
coz its apparent that u vegans like almonds so much, that u replace it from cows milk
@@Failp0p as a vegan almond milk sucks. Oat and soy milks are much better
@@Failp0pwow. You don’t know much at all, do you?
@@Failp0p 2% of the world population is vegan. How much Almonds do you think we can consume? Same with avocados. What the hell is the bs argument lol
@@TessavandieKaap vegan females tend to have bad smells, and chronic mud butt. That's what we know now...
„Joey when was the last time you laughed?“
„When you said bees are being murdered!“ 😂😂
It just shows how much attention he pays to his "guests", joey was actually laughing throughout the whole thing and good job too as that was holding him back from jumping over the desk and throttling him.
He's quite hangry, isn't he?😂😂😂
@@PeterWebb-p8m Piers? Yeah, all the cholesterol is gumming up the works, poor wee fella.
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent not really, Piers has actually taken quite a ok position on this show compared to what he was like before. Objectively hes right. but you have an pre-formed opinion of him so will always say that.
That was fake laughter though it doesn’t count. Not like the belly laugh Joey gave me. 😂😂😂
"Animals don't feel pain in the same way and don't understand death"
When in front of a vegan: "THE PLANTS ARE SCREAMING"
OH SHIIIIIIIET WELL SAID DAMMMM the contrast IS AMAZINGLY PUT in evidence,, fuck you gotta make a permanent picture meme and i want to save it (fkin yuotube wouldnt allow it here urgh
prob one of the best comments in here sooo fkin new i never heard that argument before on that subject
Lets see if you are logically consistent, are you ok with killing humans that have the same intelligence as a pig? Hypocrite incoming
@@danielmorris6523 you are a special kind of dumb
Right. It's trying to call out hypocrisy on the vegans side
I'm not a vegan but it sounds like the chef needs to learn to handle criticism better and Piers needs to learn what the word destroys means.
American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations.
U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported.
Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end.
Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.
it's not "criticism", it's lunatic vegans mobbing on someone to hurt his business. Vegans are the worst.
i can tell he can definitely handle criticism, he's been a chef for 30 years. if the criticism is about the taste, the quality, the freshness of ingredients that are being used then its fine. but these toxic vegans are leaving nonsense comments/reviews about the restaurant.
@@BobbyT-yj1cw What comments have led you to falsely believe me to be a vegan?
@@sambaines2 Morgan is a shock jock, I've never met anyone who is vegetarian or vegan who Bangs on about their diet! It's always ppl like Morgan and meat eaters that go on about it. I'm vegetarian almost vegan and I didn't know about almonds. Now I do I don't eat any almonds anymore and I check origin or avocados. I'm sick of Morgan stoking wars
Talking over someone is not destroying them
EXACTLY, Joey should shut up and listen to the argument: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?
@@tinaleanne8230 Because killing the pig is 100% essential to eating their corpse. Killing bees is not. Vegans do not live on avocados and almonds, vegans might not even eat them at all. Animal abusers eat almonds and avocados too so it's not even a vegan problem is it. Insects might get squashed by me walking to work. Should I stay indoors forever? You and Piers are ridiculous. Same level of intellect that's for sure.
@@tinaleanne8230if killing bees is wrong, then why isn't killing pigs wrong?
@@AlexK2967 A valid question,
@@tinaleanne8230Vegans aren't killing bees, lol
Parasites such as Mites are, lol
5:27 Great job Piers, if you don't like the facts that someone presents you with, just shout over them!
Why does he bother having guests?
From my perspective, it was the vegan gentleman that was shouting over everyone, throughout 😮
@helenwilliams2431
That's because they weren't listening to him and not interested in actual facts..
Everybody non-vegan or normal will see that it's the vegan crazy guy that didn't let anybody speak. Stay in the dark! 😂🤣😂
@@davespanya Looking at the comments here, even coming from piers fans and non-vegans. Doesn't seem that way, mate. You sound delusional af.
"I've supported the bees for years"😂😂
that killed me hahaha
Child stole a comment hoping it gets likes 😭🤡 straight up embarrassment to your family
@@project77977 9 days is what you had. Failed badly you have.
@@Jeff-ni2szdon't worry your day will come to shine my boy
I'm not a vegan, and I like Piers. But I feel like this "debate" was pretty one-sided. Joey tried to discuss an official U.S. statistical report and he was dismissed off-hand. Joey kept getting cut-off and his points weren't even discussed, they were just dismissed. This wasn't much of a debate.
Because Piers realises "There is no debate" These people are activists, plain and simple. No matter what reports they have, no matter what garb they speak, the moment you give them airtime, you have already proved them wrong withing 2 seconds. Piers has been doing this job for decades, he knows where the end result is before it starts. Please educate your namby pamby self out of your stupidity. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES. Deal with it, move on, no debate.
this is how debates about veganism very often are handled by non-vegans. and people wonder why we're so annoyed
@@alexkaapa why do you vegans feel entitled to go to a normal restaurants and get a vegan meal ?? the world has been eating animal meats for millennia's and suddenly a minor group called vegans got introduced 10, 15 years ago. why the fuck do you expect the world to understand you? you eat your plant in peace and let us eat our animal meat in peace. you do you but stop trying to force your agenda on others who doesn't want to be part of your craziness. LGTV group and Vegan group are the consequences of the internet and woke culture.
@@alexkaapa Stop pushing your Vegan view on people! We don't care!
Joey got plenty of time to speak, even spoke over the other two quite often.
I wish Morgan would let his guests finish their arguments before presenting his.
To be fair his guests usually have terrible arguments or just factually untrue. If you look most of his interviews he let a lot of them finish their arguments
Thats the point... Big braindead Piers doesnt have any valid arguments, so he just shouts the same point over and over whilst dismissing hardened evidence if the face of debate. Childish and unprofessional behaviour.
@@ageorgiev89 those who disagree with piers, he doesn't let them speak.
@nay.sen20 if you listen closely you will see that they ignore his questions
@@ageorgiev89 Which question in this video was ignored? Piers asked a question & when Joey started to reply, he kept interrupting. Not even willing to listen & understand.
Cmon piers you can’t compare the guardian to long term studies
😂
Quoting a publication from your opponent has merit. And did you notice that Joey did not deny it was true?
The long term study did not break it down to this level.
One study of the overall cause of death of bees does not dismiss *THE FACT* of the number of bees killed to pollinate almonds [don't know about avocados].
This point trying to be made was: If you do not eat pigs because they are killed, why do you eat almonds because bees are killed to grow them.
@@tinaleanne8230 Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic and unnecessary, as a source of nutrient. Spraying pesticides on farms is necessary but not intrinsic to eating plant food.
Also, the publication was not "from the opponent", so the merit you're talking about is non existent. What matters more is the actual primary source info which Joey used that simply debunks piers Morgan BS arguments.
@@gurumage9555 The publication is is a vegan publication so if you are vegan then it can be refereed to as 'your publication' in an argument where you could counter that you do not follow/believe that publication but he did not do that.
So, you are conceding that killing animals for food is OK.
I am not going to use your poor sentence structure against you but you stated: "Killing pigs for meats is intrinsic as a source of nutrient" which is exactly opposite of you stance.
It was not debunked, it was ignored. The fact is that the killing of the bees are *known and planned* collateral damage in the commercial farming of the almonds. You will forever lose the debate unless you acknowledge that the killing of animals is required to feed the world. The next phase of the debate is that who decides what animals are OK to be killed. Be careful to not fall into the debate trap of only the ugly animals or not so smart animals can be killed.
Debating is a science that requires careful thought.
I will concede that the resources used to breed today's animal produce far exceeds the resources needed to produce a plant based diet.
Here is an argument I use (there is no answer and is a debate trap): The beef and chicken in my freezer resulted in the creation of a life. Would it be better that the multitudes of animal life that has been created and is being created never had the opportunity of life?
@@tinaleanne8230 For someone who roleplays as a debate expert your capicity for logical and critical thinking seems lacking.
Firstly "vegan publication" isn't really a thing. Besides there is no authoritative source in which the vegan movement base its views on. It is not a religion. What matters here is the science and scientific publications, which clearly sides with vegans on a whole host of issues.
Secondly pointing out that animal agriculture as we practice intrinsically requires the death and slaughtering of billions of sentient beings doesn't in any way go against my vegan philosphy. I'm just stating the nature of farming animals.
And to answer your question. There is no moral obligation/imperative to create life, but there is moral obligation not to treat sentient beings inhumanely. Creating life in of itself has no value on its own, and creating life only to be subjected to cruel and inhumane treatment is anything but an "opportunity"
Every time Pieres talks about bees I'm thinking: "Ahhhh Not the beeeess.... Ahhhhh my eyes" 😂
But u have to admit it hes right i dont tlak avout little animals rats insects wich we killed
@@donatasdilnikas8105Not really it’s about the better of two evils and sustainability
I’m far from a vegan I eat more like dr paul saladino but I gotta say Piers and the other gentleman didn’t win this debate.
Who was angry and triggered, wasn't piers or the chef, I'd say the vegan lost lol. 😂
No one won this tbh
@@emmahowells8334 Appeal to emotion
it wasn't about winning or losing... it was about making a point, the point that vegans are hypocrites, and bullies, both of those points where made... they gang together, and don't accept that millions of bees die via the pollinating process of avocados and almond trees,
@Ahmedahmed-mi8dr But most people eat almonds and avocados, regardless of anything else.
This discrimination is accepted? But apply that theory to other cultures and it wouldnt be allowed. Shocking
Muslims for example don't roast pig shops for not being halal, they just don't eat there.
Bwhahaha being vegan isn't like being black. You can't poise this as discrimination. If he doesn't want to cook you plant food, he doesn't have to and that's his right. Entitled clowns like you nowadays never fail to make me laugh.
I have something that you might notve heard about but its very discriminatory to anyone who likes meat, theyre called all-vegan restaraunts
@@mspwizzard7256 false. all vegan restaurants don't discriminate anyone.
@@mspwizzard7256vegan restaurants can be attended by anyone.
I think Piers actually got destroyed in this one
Bloody guy disproved statistics by saying " I read it in the guardian " what type of logic is that ?
he did
@@Idkchangethislater bro surely you cant be this stupid, you can bend statistics however you want. ignore relevant areas that are critical to the truth etc.. jesus people in this day and age will believe just about anything 😅
Piers won this one easily.
@@Idkchangethislaterthe irony is clearly lost on you…
I pay that "debate" to Joey via technical knockout. Well done, mate.
Also, if you ever want to know what Piers Morgan's kryptonite is, mention Meghan Markle. At least then you have a chance of winning the debate.
Piers made himself look like a fool. He is the one going mad here.
That Joey made himself look a militant fool for most people i think you will find.
Vegans are literally insufferable! The guy complaining was in a gang and after he left it. He joined the vegan cult and still admitted to dreaming of killing humans and babies. What a psycho!
@@AlexAlex-yf7yw he doesn’t eat it because he disagrees with it morally so obviously he’s going to advocate for people to do the same. If you disagreed with slavery in the 1700s would you have simply not bought a slave or would you have advocated for other people to also not keep slaves? It’s called being morally consistent
@@jakesabean Exactly on point!
Joey is the best! He was respectful and presented reference to what his said, while Piers was rude and repeated his lies in a loud tone.
"I've defended the bees for years!" Piers Morgan
Never in my life I heard him talking about bees until now
he has defended them on multiple ocassions every single year
@@STRIDwastaken he only defends the bees when he's trying to make a point of proving a vegan wrong, kinda sad really
@@fullotto8704 so what are the vegans doing when talking about pigs in gas chambers?
@@STRIDwastaken i think vegans are trying to say that pigs are more sentient than bees, so the screaming coming from these gas chambers is a fear response from an animal that's smart enough to process suffering, a bit like in nazi Germany when they gassed the poor Jewish folks
@@STRIDwastaken Is that a question or a statement ?
Wrong title there. It literally happened the opposite.
Factos 👍🏻
What???😂😂😂
i will say piers or that restaurant guy had awful arguments but that other bloke destroyed himself by being a complete asshat who wouldn't shut up
Who's getting triggered and angry, it wasn't piers or the chef, so I say the vegan lost by getting angry.
@@emmahowells8334 It was 2 vs 1 and Joey still won this. Whoever thinks otherwise is just wrong, pure facts
Destroyed? I think Piers got obliterated by Joey.
Not really cause joeys argument are so stupid. He calls the owner childish when the vegans are so ignorant and childish to 1 star review someone just because they don’t share their views of animals.
How so?
What argument could justify the mass breading, torment and slaughter of farm animals for a reason that isn't necessary? It isn't hard to debate someone who argues for animal abuse. @@hntrl8880
His point was bees don’t get murdered from one article. How does that prove his point? (except that he likes pigs more apparently)
Because the claim that bee harm proves veganism is not valid is a logical fallacy -- the nirvana fallacy. You can also make a case that it's a strawman argument too, because the bee harm to which he's referring would not occur in a vegan world as bees would never be employed and exploited as laborers -- let alone killed. However, this whole thing is rather silly since, other than citing a vague article, Piers does not offer empirical evidence for this claim. Furthermore, if it were that case that bees were intentionally and avoidably harmed and exploited in the process of farming avocados and almonds there isn't a vegan alive who wouldn't be concerned. Finally, the example was given in bad faith since it's pretty obvious Piers doesn't give an actual fig. @@dontknowwhattocallmyself.5144
I’m sorry piers but your debating sounds like the kind of debates my little brother used to have with my mom about eating sweets 💀😂
If your mother is debating your little brother, then your mother needs help lol
But bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered, bees get murdered. What, you didn't find that to be a brilliant argument?
Agreed! Incredibly immature.
Sweets are delicious like meat. Reasonable debate Id say....
@@joshpettersen5560 FINALLY found someone to agree with! Thats what im saying to them bro! I 100% agree with you. I always say : if human meat is so delicious, what is there to debate about bro? I wanna eat human meat, why are you all trying to debate me for it? Meat is delicious but when it comes to human, dog and cat meat ITS GLORIOUS, so why are they all trying to debate me that its morally wrong to eat human meat? There are is no morals and ethics when it comes to what you eat, wear, do in your daily life. If something tastes delicious you eat it, if something look gorgeous you wear it, if some girl is sexy on the street you grab her and r*ape her, whats all about that "not being moral" boring stuff that these people talk about right? Im so happy we both agree on that!
So let me get this straight. The argument goes as follows:
1. The industrial production of almonds and avocados is harmful to bee populations.
2. The small proportion of the world that is vegan will perhaps during the course of consuming their plant-based diet, on occasion, consume almonds and avocados.
3. The rest of the world, who make up the vast majority, by orders of magnitude, of almond and avocado consumers can be excused of moral culpability for these harmful industrial farming practices.
4. Trying to reduce animal suffering by not participating in an industry which raises the vast majority of its creatures in unspeakable factory farming conditions, to be slaughtered in inhumane ways…..is a bad thing….. because……bees.
5. It’s not possible to be opposed to farming practices which harm bees AND cruel farming practices which harm creatures with much higher levels of sentience.
6. Bees.
7. Animal cruelty is bad. I’m 100% against it. Except in the case of food production, in which case, it’s a shame but needs must.
8. Bees.
9. Bacon. Yum.
Well done Piers. Knocked it out of the park.
BACON! 🤤👍🏻
Yes Pierce loves the appeal to hypocrisy because he's a moron.
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Mmm I love bacon that gonna give me cancer in 20 years 😰😰🤤🤤
actually the bee problem is just a little addition to the almond and avocado issue, the real problem is the amount of water needed + the cartels and exploitation of the workforce , so even if Piers motives are just a fraction of the problem , avocado and almond production for the global population should not exist
Bro, let your guests speak 😂
You can't loose if you don't let the other guy speak. He knows if he doesn't do this he will get destroyed
They speak nonsense though lmao 😂
Even if you're vegan, you don't want this turd to speak for you. How desperate are you people?
6:50 Joey wanted to say ''you're a clown'' 😂😂
joey ex gangster turd strong is the king of clowns
Not a chance. Change this title. I did not like Joey until I watched him handle himself very well on your show.
Handle himself well? Bloke was having a tantrum the entire time. Bringing up the past is considered "handled well" nowadays lol fair enough
@@sausageman4706he handled himself pretty well considering Piers just dismissed plain facts
@@sausageman4706you’re a grown man, get off the internet and go to bed 🤦🏻♀️😅 so cringe
joey was a gang memeber with a loaded shotgun doing drivebyes how can you trust thig man on anything?
@@turtleman896810 years ago. Ppl change , stop being judgemental lol
You cant be against animal cruelty if you eat them 🌱
@@TB-tc5zb denial is a terrible trait
@@TB-tc5zb you’re funny, humane way 😂 how compassionate of you to kill an animal for taste, it’s also funny you think animals either gassed, shot, or throat slit is kind to animals 🤦♂️ i must of missed the part where animals enjoy to be on our plates 👍🏼 Killing any animal is cruel, if it was a dog or cat you’d be shouting out cruelty, the same goes for all species
A typical vegan propaganda post, again laughable.
@@McInna Your funny in a vegan way😆😆😆😆 when there IS proven science that plants feel pain. And all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves from being eaten.😆😆😆😆😆
@@McInna In china they eat dogs & it fine with me.
Piers was owned by Joey, he's not prepared to be bullied by him.
Swear Piers is gonna turn me into a vegan ffs hahahahahaah
Nobody cares I eat a pound of meat every day sometimes almost 2 on my days off and I’ve been doing that since I’m 6 years old come from butchers family the more vegans better prices for meat 🥩
Wouldn't changing because his opinion, make you weak, and easily swayed into things?
@@eduardoarty1228 Wrong, because the more vegans the less the government will likely subsidise the costs that keep meat prices down. Vegans will no longer be accept taxes to subsidize animal exploitation. .
Go ahead and eat quinoa. More steak for the rest of us.
@@csho6512 bro I'm being ironic here, I'll never turn vegan for my own reasons. I was just trying to say that Piers couldn't even formulate 1 convincing argument in this debate
Piers doesn’t do well with facts
He is a stupid person - Richard Dawkins
But... But .. the bees!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more misleading title. I feel bad for Piers if he seriously believes this is true. And if that’s the case, this reinforces the notion that Carnists are the ones who prefer to stay in the dark.
American avocados also fully depend on bees’ pollination to produce fruit, so farmers have turned to migratory beekeeping as well to fill the void left by wild populations.
U.S. farmers have become reliant upon the practice, but migratory beekeeping has been called exploitative and harmful to bees. CNN reported that commercial beekeeping may injure or kill bees and that transporting them to pollinate crops appears to negatively affect their health and lifespan. Because the honeybees are forced to gather pollen and nectar from a single, monoculture crop - the one they’ve been brought in to pollinate - they are deprived of their normal diet, which is more diverse and nourishing as it’s comprised of a variety of pollens and nectars, Scientific American reported.
Scientific American added how getting shuttled from crop to crop and field to field across the country boomerangs the bees between feast and famine, especially once the blooms they were brought in to fertilize end.
Plus, the artificial mass influx of bees guarantees spreading viruses, mites and fungi between the insects as they collide in midair and crawl over each other in their hives, Scientific American reported. According to CNN, some researchers argue that this explains why so many bees die each winter, and even why entire hives suddenly die off in a phenomenon called colony collapse disorder.
Piers doesn't seriously believe this is true. He was unable to counter Joey's points and began using 'debate tactics' and misdirection. I barely watch Morgan nowadays but I'm glad I watched this. Any fair minded person knows he looked foolish here.
I would guarantee 99% of these vegans are pro choice also.
@@PunsaraSagarage It was a strange debate, since those 70% of avocados are produced in Cali with imported bees and require a lot of water. Could correlate a lot of the wildfires there cause massive amount of animal deaths years with how the industry has preferential treatment. The study he quoted mentioned that only 6% of bees die from pesticides yearly.. I ain't sure on what exact study he was referring to, or why was not asked.
Great win for Joey!
Piers Morgan saying he destroyed the guy
Well let people be the judge of that
He did, the video already showed the actions and language.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
You'll never win because people will continue eating meat and enjoyining it, it's so f_cking tasty!!! mmmmhhh!!!
Then they eat a steak
Then they die of heart disease
@@PauIdenino then they die of malnutrition
@@csrxmyedits Yup
Pierce: Bees get murdered. Bees get murdered. Bees get murdered.
Chef: vegans are quick to throw the term murder around 🤡
He was saying bees get murdered because the whole point of vegan arguments is that animals get murdered which they say is wrong but yet doesn't matter when it's other smaller beings for vegans food. Piers was pointing out the hypocrosy by saying bees get murdered. That's obvious to anyone and an easy point to understand, but obviously not for you! How are you this stuipid?
hes pointing out the irony
Chef "I'm 100% against animal cruelty"
But he pays other people to be cruel to animals !!!!
The only reason Piers was saying it was to point out the hypocrisy of vegans, not because he actually thinks bees are "murdered" he was just using the vegans slogan against them. They claim killing an animal is murder. following that logic then they are all mass murderers as well.
Vegan hypocrites
Does piers really think he destroyed joey? Joey easily 2vs1'd and got the arguments on his side while you tried to make him stop talking because you know hes right😂
Hahaha no, he didn't. Piers knows Piers is right. Plants scream, too. So do bees.
DO PIERSON..??
@@FutureAbe sry princess english is not my native language, but i will change it for you ❤️
200% every time joey makes a point with facts, piers keeps interrupting
@@murdogg that’ll be $60.
Piers got his arse kicked severely and made a fool of himself.
I spy a hangry vegan
Finally someone calls out piers on his bullshit, piers is a big hypocrite and refuses to think critically 😬
You really need more bacon & sausages In your life..your losing out
Joey Carbstrong made vegan bacon out of these two
PIERS MORGAN! Get Earthling Ed on your show, it would be incredible! Everyone like this comment if you agree ;)
Where was he destroyed?? 🤷
Watch the video again
I just did. All I see is Piers acting like a man child and not willing to listen to someone else's views..@@Bear-Cohiba-1966
Go Joey, Piers always goes back to almond milk and do you eat avacado questions. He's so limited.
You all missed that actual argument and it is simple: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?
@@tinaleanne8230 Um, you missed the part where Joey proved vegans have NOTHING to do with "murdering bees" and while Piers does with his eating honey AND dead bodies of animals.
Apparently vegans like to ignore the thousands of insects and animals that are killed, or as vegans say- murdered, when land is cleared to grow crops that they buy at the supermarket. And the thousands of animals and insects that are killed with farm equipment every harvest season due to crop deaths. Science proved years ago that all plants contain toxic chemicals that plants use to defend themselves.
@@glennbishopbishthemagish Give it up, the vegans have been trying the bash me all day because I made similar comments. Apparently it is only certain animals that have rights. Kinda like the BLM.
One actually tried to claim that a pig is like a 3 year old human so I asked that if intelligence is the deciding factor then why they don't eat fish.
@jameshewitt8971 Well Mr. Hewitt, no animals other than humans can be murdered because the legal definition of 'murder' only applies to human beings.
For your education: Commercial almond growers contract bee keepers to pollinate the almond trees. Once the pollination is determined to be completed, they spray insecticide to kill insects that are harmful to the trees BEFORE all the bees are gone. So, the bees are known collateral dead only for the farming of almonds.
If to be vegan is against the killing of animals then why do vegans eat almonds or any agriculture that may use insecticide to kill animal life?
*THAT* is the argument that none of you can comprehend.
Lol imagine naming your own video this, then preceeding to completely lose your argument for 12 minutes...
You mad vegan? Seems that Piers was right, vegans are angry and bitter. Why is that I wonder?
But bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered, bees are murdered
Lol that vegan was such a tool
Looks like vegan doesn’t care that they also kill animals to protect their ‘vegan’ food.
Shush. The vegan is correct piers is wrong like usual.
When he’s saying about the mites, I’m sure the mites wouldn’t spread and cause such a problem if those billions of bees weren’t grouped in one place, does he not know infestations spread 😂
As someone who worked as a beekeeper I can say that the impact of pollination on varroa levels was never noticeable. The fact of the matter is varroa gets out of hand when hives are not being checked on frequently, and during pollination we are constantly interacting with those hives and checking them.
When Piers goes personal you should just bring up the phone hacking scandal.
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He wasn't even working for the news of the world 😂
He was cleared
going for someone's sobriety is even low for Piers....
He brought up that he was involved with gangs 10 YEARS AGO, how is that even relevant now to this debate.
I'm a meat eater but the vegan man made Morgan look like a fool going on about bees but ignoring other animals being killed.
go vegan
@@maxxdhahano, stop animal cruelty
@@FullOnMetalHead1995food is food nobody gives a fuck…
@@maxxdhaha No, learn that killing animals is fundamental in nature. You don't really like nature otherwise.
@@Luke73195 Breeding billions and billions of animals into existence every year, just to slaughter them at a mere fraction of their life span is not natural
piers calling bees 'the little guys' always ends me 😂
Bees are primarily female: only the drones are male, and only used to fertilise the queen bee! They are kicked out by the females in the Autumn as if you don't work you don't eat in a Bee Hive! The workers make sure that the honey stores are not eaten by the lazy Drones!
@@orielgb guys covers girls and boys
@@user-he2ou2ex2f Not always. See "Dude, where's my car?" 😂
@@orielgbcorrect, i just done a bee keeping course lol
It was great viewing meant to aggravate the vegan whacko. But unfortunately annoyed him too much so he just shouted over everyone. So poor tv. We want to see whackos acting crazy, but not that crazy.
Calls it "childish behavior" but he can not get his point across without yelling or having tears in his eyes. Hmm
Yes,piers is somewhat frustrating .
You lost on this. Piers. Sorry!!
No he didn't lol, who was angry and got triggered, the vegan but piers remained calm, were you actually watching lol. 😂
@emmahowells8334 noo. He keeps bringing up the bees and almonds, and he's wrong.
@@flower80818So bees lives aren't important, without bees plants can't grow, so where are the vegans gonna get their veggies, the bees pollinate the plants lol.
@emmahowells8334 Why do you want to argue a stranger. Don't you have something better to do.
@@flower80818 You're are doing exactly what you're complaining about, problem is I wasn't arguing just stating an opinion lol.
Wouldn’t call this destroyed, vegan dude held up fine
nah bees tho
You must be as nuts as he is to come to such an absurd conclusion
@@turtleman8968 Bees have a very rudimentary nervous system, and therefore we can be virtually certain that they do not suffer _nearly_ as much as a pig or a cow, even when they number in the billions. And most "meat-eaters" still enjoy almond or avacado-based products from time to time anyway.
Piers should have asked about him about the widespread consumption of vegan meat alternatives. They are ultra processed and are among the most unhealthiest things currently being eaten by vegans
No, he threw a fit like a child.
It made me cry when he said about the pig gas chambers..that's horrendous..and wtf that chef cradling a dead piglet?that's sick..I don't eat meat..and it's upsetting that people don't care..it's so sad
Just mind your business. We will keep eating 🥩
it is very dramatised...talk to a farmer and they can put your straight
"and wtf that chef cradling a dead piglet"
for photo?
But you use animal products. Can you tell me what the difference is? An animal still has to be killed for your enjoyment. You are on your computer, which is run on animal cholestrol. So are you saying that if you can't see the animal, it doesn't count?
"I don't eat meat..and it's upsetting that people don't care"
you want people to care that you don't eat meat????
what's wrong with you?
Should make a movie "PIERS THE GUARDIAN OF THE BEES" 😂
gangsta is a guardian of cows and chickens ?
Great win for vegan ❤️ compassion is the future 💝
Typical Tyrant vegan Forcing people into their lifestyles. GFYSF
Given your guys dropout rate that wont happen for a looooonnnggggg time
I definitely don't think Piers Morgan destroyed Joey Carbstrong here. In fact, Morgan was very much on the back foot. Carbstrong gave him a real run for his money, such as Morgan isn't used to having dished out to him.
Carbstrong did not once answer a questions..that does not make him strong rather obnoxious
You are a vegan 😂😂😂
@@akbirmingham6604Go listen to more of Tate, simp. Perhaps he will eventually start selling a book to you snowflakes on how to grow a pair.
Only crazy vegans think that
Nice one vegan
Piers Morgan lies more times in this interview than Meghan Markle did in her Oprah interview. He also seems to think that vegans only eat almonds and avocados and that non-vegans never eat avocados and almonds.
Where did he lie? And he never said vegans ONLY eat avocados and almonds, and that meat eaters don't are you an idiot? Did we even watch the same video? He's using it as an example. My god..
No, he's stating the hypocrisy of it. It is a fact that large amounts of bees are killed in almond and avocado agriculture. Vegans eat almonds and avocados, yet they state that they never harm animals when bees are killed in their food production.
Non-vegans never said their diet doesn’t involve the slaughtering of animals so your point makes no sense
Can't stand his interview technique but it wouldn't matter I'd non vegans ate those as they aren't the ones complaining about animals cruelty or save the planet. Reduce emissions etc.
What was the lie?
30% of bees are killed to make almond milk 😂😂
veganism isn't about never killing or causing harm, it's about taking every action a person is able to take to stop exploitation and cruelty to animals
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People are omnivores. We are apex predators. Have any vegans watched video of hyenas or lions bringing down gazelles? Cattle in North America die in a much more humane manner than animals in the wild. I have no problem with vegans choosing for themselves what they eat. They need to afford the rest of us the same courtesy. They need to get off their sanctimonius high horses.
I've seen vegans causing harm in some restaurants and you are being cruel to yourself if you don't allow yourself to eat meat. The result is just another hungry angry vegan that thinks he's better than everybody else.
And normal people don't care about vegans and their stupid claims.
Including not eating almonds and avocados.
Bruh they forget that plant is also living being
Joey just exposed your little almond/bee line like a straight champ. He made you look straight silly lol
But what about the other 40% that aren’t killed by mites - lets say 20% die of natural causes, 20% die due to land clearing for growing vegetables. Then vegans are killing 1/2 the population that could have died from natural causes. Simply saying ‘its not true because 60% die due to mites’ does not disprove Morgans statement. Morgan also did not say that mites ‘don’t kill bees - both statements are true. Two sides, one coin.
You are right joey is a fool 1st grade😂😂
Just because a certain percentage of bees did from mites doesn't make the death of bees from almond agriculture void . Learn how to interpret studies pal. Bees are certainly killed in there millions because of almond trade . Anyone can cherry pick a paper
Actually he didn't, because so many bees being carried to the orchards for pollination of course results in spreading those mites and more colonies getting infected, so the bees are being killed by mites as a *consequence* of the "almond milk" production. Also without the bees from the "commercial honey industry" he so detests the "almond milk" production just can't keep up with the vegans demand.
actually he didn't he presented data with out context. he keeps saying it is mites killing bees and yest that is true. But he is either ignorant of or worse purposely avoiding the fact of how these mites are being transmitted to wild bee colonies. He neglects to mention that due to the vast size of the monoculture plantations created to grow what he eats. The use of migratory bee keeping has become necessary in order to pollinate the crops. and it is this migratory bee keeping where hives are taken from one place to another then another that spreads mites an diseases that causes wild bee colonies to be killed off. but he choses to ignore that of wilfully choses to neglect to mention that because it doesn't support his ideology. And it is not just bees these monocultures grown for human consumption are effecting monocultures destroy ecosystems and bio diversity and even destroy the very soil they are grown in. and it is not just almonds and avocados either it is many crops after all orangutangs are not on the brink of extinction because of meat farming are they. It s due to monoculture plantations to farm a plant based product that is used for human consumption and in particular as a plant based fat in many vegan substitute foods.
You’d think Piers would have come up with a valid argument by now.
The argument was valid, the problem is it fell on deaf ears.
If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?
@@tinaleanne8230 they don’t kill bees. The bees die naturally.
@@tinaleanne8230there is a difference between accidental death and purposeful death.
@@dynastygal The bees used in the production of almonds are knowingly put to death by intent.
@@tinaleanne8230 Because bees are almost exclusively killed by parasites that spread through commercial honey farms. These parasites are extremely tough due to generations of pasticide exposure and pose a serious threat to wild bees as well. Vegans boycott honey. The problem is that piers morgan knows his viewers lack critical thinking skills and wont do their own research, thats why he just states random nonsense and seems to always get away with it.
2 against 1. Discrimination and bullying. And STILL Joey wins by far. Good job Joey 🫶🌱
Joey lost before he ever showed up.
He uses animal products while only pretending to be against it.
He has no credibility.
Piers is entirely incorrect here, he was not prepared to look at the scientific factual data, but rather quote a newspaper article that he would love to cling to in order to support his ludicrous argument.
he's just another mouth piece troll
He doesn't even like the Guardian , he really is pathetic.
Vegans are out in force lol
quoting a newspaper article , just like all those vegans and people on the left. its dispicable what piers is doing
Doesnt change the fact that vegans are bitter and hateful and off putting almost every time ive ever met one
We had a bee company that pollinated avocados and billions did not die.
And last time I looked more meat eaters eat avocados and almonds than vegans do.
perhaps because meat eaters are a much larger group than vegans and also the bee dying argument does not apply to meat eaters because they dont attempt to act on a moral compass when it comes to eating food
@@pizzamozzarella8639 Are you against animal cruelty?
Vegans are in absolute minority, so of course 99% of the population eat more avocados and almonds.
He made a valid comment on avocados and almonds. But Piers was doing it mainly to get the vegan guy on the wrong foot. It kinds of work because the vegan acted like a twit screaming while frantically waving a sheet. A poor advertisement for veganism for sure. I wanted to hear from the chef though.
@@BDub2024 the chef who says that is against animal cruelty while having a profile photo with a dead pig? Is that the chef you meant? And what exactly did you wanna hear from someone like that?
Joey came in with straight facts. Hilarious that they used a FAKE headline
Facts, sure... data that proved Morgan's point. Billions of bees died for the listed reasons Joey said, but Morgan responded... because they're put there to make avocados and almonds. Am I missing something?
@firewithfire2745 Morgan is not a vegan. Is he?
@firewithfire2745 The argument wasn't about gas chambers. The argument was that animals such as pigs die in order to consume them and bees die in order to consume almonds and avocados. Joey's data is correct, BUT fails to understand that the bees were collected from around the country and put in the "mite chambers" in order to produce avocados.
@firewithfire2745Because of the simple point that some vegans could not care less about cruelty, unless is for the specific animals they care for. Cruelty against humans who disagree with them, is clearly not a concern. 11:33
He never said specifically that he was ok with with that specifically, but as you clearly didn't/wanted to listen it makes no difference for me pointing it out.
@firewithfire2745Animals are brutally killed and eaten by other animals all over the world everyday. It's called the circle of life pal
Why does piers keep denying what he said about the bees? They are not killed by pollination, rather by mites. It is not against veganism to eat almonds and avocados.
If I held my breath until piers let his guest speak I’d be dead
😂😂😂😂 I like Piers but thats his downside.
Crack on then
Only one person there was trying to shout over everyone, and that was the nutty vegan, pun intended 😅😅😅
Joey spoke, his voice was loud and clear. He made his points and no one was stopping him from speaking.
@@harisabram4767 🤫 go have a quinoa salad
Imagine thinking you actually DESTROYED someone by such poor a poor argument
lol you clearly dont understand, the vegan twit lost the minute he lost his cool and made ad hominem attacks, you must be vegan
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He just didn’t respond to him properly.
Its all entertainment you know. His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. This vegan didn't even have the brains to let the other guy talk, so he won't get invited back. Its good to have whackos on, but if they're smart they give their views and let others give their views. Otherwise, it makes poor TV.
It's not a poor argument... Piers just mentioned the bees. If you go talk to a farmer with an orchard, you will find that they kill alot more than just a few bees.
Piers is really pissed. Someone help him 😂😂😂Well done Joey.
For several years now I have been following the science around bees and what we can do to help. Like planting Sun Flowers and other flowers / weeds in our garden etc. Anyway ... I saw a documentary about bees and almonds in California. You're 100% right about the bees. Humans don't need to eat almonds and I certainly don't eat them as part of my Keto lifestyle. After the Almonds and Avocados you speak of what about the amount of tinned produce that vegans eat... no pollution making tinned products eh.
Some of us do. I can't have dairy, soy, or oat milk because of my stomach, so I stick with almond milk. I've seen other milk alternatives, but they can be around double the price, and it doesn't fit in my budget.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
I drink oat milk, I don’t eat almonds at all and I’m a vegan. Meat eaters eat avocados and almonds too. Atleast vegans aren’t paying for 80 billion animals to be killed every year.
The title should be the vegan destroys Piers
he really didn't
@@Josh-wm4slI think he actually responded well to Piers. I don't think Piers really put forward an argument
I'm apologising to myself for watching most of this video
Disgusting behaviour.
why
Me too
I watched literally two seconds of the corpulent clown.
@@cemoihonay ??????
Richard Dawkins: "I would like everybody to be a vegetarian... In 100 or 200 years time, we may look back on the way we treated animals today as something like we today look back on the way our forefathers treated slaves."
Depends on the race of the slave, certain races belong as slaves and cannot actually be trusted with freedom.
Same with animals, some animals are meant to be food for other animals, that's just the nature of things.
I feel absolutely no guilt over slavery and I fully believe certain races should be forced to work, should they be treated poorly? Absolutely not! But forced to work? Absolutely yes.
Bur vegetarianism is also very cruel. I saw the interview with Richard Dawkins where PM didn't interrupt or talk over him. He should show Joey the same respect..
@@lukej7283 Speachless.......
@@lukej7283Damn, you a True racist dude😂 Just admit you racist to blacks and want to rape them, take totally advantage of them. But you racist LOVE "Rock and Roll" which come from black music.
@@lukej7283 Another race decides u should be forced to work.
Not bad.
Ian even gonna lie when the chief held up that pig painting I started dying🤣🤣
Piers lost badly here.
Nope he just expose the vegan guy on how he acts
@@lumpystilskin5367 nope. Piers interrupted him and ignored his statistics.
PIERS, YOU JUST LOST TO A VEGAN LOL
He's lost many times before. Got booted out of cnn and America for being a BSing pompous toff git
He didn't lose harder because he is always constantly interrupting, there's no good argument against veganism apart from 'i dont care about harming animals for my own taste pleasure'. He doesn't want to say that so he just shouts 'bees bees bees' cuz there's literally nothing else he could think of
Nah
Piers sold his soul for money and attention and does not care for the outcome of the debate intellectually.
He literally does it on purpose because I know he is not that dumb.
@@pepperpig649 I agree. He's become a master bullshitter. He's obviously on the payroll of the royal family and maybe MI5. He is so one sided regarding the Russian Ukraine war. It seems like he's a propaganda machine for whoever slips him money.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GOT DESTROYED HERE
How ..he basically exposed the hypocrisy of Vegans , they don't give a shi about insects ..they kill mosquitos and cockroaches but talk about animal cruelty
Delusional aren't you
Some plants are carnivorous and eat meat...let that sink in.
Lol, are you a carnivorous plant or are you a human living in modern day society with hundreds of options other than hunks of corpse and exploited secretions?
It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely physical effect on the human temperament, would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.~~Albert Einstein
Unfortunately Einstein was all talk and no action. He couldn't even make the commitment to the still-cruel diet of vegetarianism, much less the moral principles of veganism. Not a good source for vegans to quote.
@@Empathy4Animals411 He was born to a Christian family so had to deal with the norms & traditions, not an easy task when God is involved. He said: I have always eaten animal flesh with a somewhat guilty conscience. Later in his life, he gave up meat. He was late to put it into effect & he admitted that & most importantly, he recommends vegetarianism.
So Piers doesn't eat avocados, almond and honey products because Bees! You're halfway there bud!
He never said he didn’t, his point is why not advocate for all creatures especially the ones that help produce a part of your diet…I’ve seen another interview he did with another vegan and stated the same thing
LOL
@@mina2719 yes well done clever clogs, it's a joke 🤣
@@mina2719joey said why, he literally shoved the facts in his face
@@mina2719vegans do advocate for all creatures, why do you think they don’t consume honey? Vegans make up less than 2% of the population yet apparently are responsible for all the avocados and almonds eaten.. Piers doesn’t give a shit about the bees, it’s just the only argument he can think of lol
All Piers Morgan can say is "what about almonds and avocados?!"
What abt the bees
So you're okay with the mass murder of bees?
It's silly because everybody eats those. Anyway, oat, rice and coconut milks are easy substitutes.
@@sairamsriram no, that’s why we don’t support the honey industry responsible for killing them 😂
If every human on the planet turned vegan we would run out of food within a month. Billions of 🐝 will die a day and then the planet would follow. Absolute idiots 😂
Joey has the facts and figures that bees are killed by mites and Piers just says “Joey Joey Joey even the guardian says billions of bees are murdered by vegans for avocados”. Massive respect for Joey! This makes Piers look completely unintelligent and ignorant.
Glad you agree that bringing them cross country to be infected by mites fall in line with what Piers was saying.
Joey uses animal products anyway.
He has no credibility.
Im not vegan but would never have a moan at them for caring about animals
I think a lot of people would agree with you. The problem is when they start bombarding your business with negative reviews to the point where your bottom line is affected. Or they come to you (without invitation )as you are eating meat just to inform you of the ill-treatment of animals.
PM is actually ganging up on Joey with the help of his guest. He will never, ever, have an equal number of astute vegans to match him and his carcass-guzzling friends.
@@DisagreeinpeaceExcept that you are. In the days of slavery, do you think you would have been the sort of person who would denounce slavery when nobody else was doing it? No need to answer, because we know.
@@Disagreeinpeace body parts , it is murder
so why not be vegan then?
Piers got destroyed on this one oooof
Ur delusional.. the guy kept screaming like a girl… and taking out guardian articles… 🤣… piers didn’t even have to argue anything.. that lowlife totally made himself ridiculous.. mommy told him that he was special.. 🤣
And Piers is still afraid of talking to Earthling Ed 😂
I'd love to see that. Joey and Ed are so knowledgable. Ed is such an amazing speaker.
All he does is attack Joeys character and say “bugs tho” very weak arguments Pierse
I suspect Ed can see Piers for the fool he is and stays away.
@@wolfhugs2221 Joey knows full well Piers is a fool, which is why he came prepared with statistics and ready to talk over him to get any points in. Ed's been on other fool's shows, I'm sure he'd love to taken on Piers as well
@@Empathy4Animals411 fair point. Ed's not reactive enough to have Pier's attention just yet.
aint no way people are on piers side here
John's joke would make perfect sense if he replaced vegan with meat-eater. I mean.. cmon even Piers didnt catch the punchline.
vegan spotted
@@massive1337 carnist spotted
@@adrian.gosling why coming up with a name for a normal person?
@@massive1337 wow well done!👏👏👏
@@adrian.gosling That's like calling a woman a cis woman
"I'm against animal cruelty" most hypocritical thing I've heard in years.
His show involves getting people on with opposing views and set them against each other. He loves getting the whackos on like the vegan as it means good ratings. Don't take it too seriously, so i wouldn't get sucked in. Piers is making tv and boosting his popularity, because he is so good at getting these idiots on that rant and seem totally intolerant. For many thousands of years people have eaten animals while treating them as pets and with kindness. They don't believe in animal cruelty either. We all know that people CAN have different views. Values DO change over time. We can have different views and be tolerant. Not like the vegan guy that kept screaming over everyone. Remember this is entertainment!!!
@@interesant7 Do you mean Piers Morgan yeah ?
@@interesant7 Vegans are in the most absolute minority. No doubt Piers wanted some light entertainment from the funny farm.
@@BDub2024 You should know then that the only way you get a word in edge wise on this show is to speak over the man who is speaking over you. So if Joey was docile this would somehow have gone better for him? Get real. Hilarious to call Joey the intolerant one. How is fighting to protect animals anything other than being tolerant???? Try tolerant toward other species. It's only intolerant if your definition of intolerance is someone being passionate about something you disagree with. You want people to just roll over and speak kindly when they disagree with you, and on the Piers Morgan show of all places. And it's not "kindness" to cut a pigs throat when you have the option to eat something else. Plain and simple.
@@BDub2024is it entertainment to you to talk about mass murder of sentient beings? Plain simple.
Gotta say I give the vegan credit for actually getting his point over Pierce's constant interruptions
What point was that? Bees aren’t killed by avocado and almond farming because 60% of the millions of bees that die do so because of parasites? That leaves another 40% of the millions of bees. What point did he make exactly?
@@AABB-or8qv Bess are dying ebcause of Parasite, deseases, bad nutrition(bee farms takes all the honey and gives sirrup and other substitutes for the bees to eat, instead of just taking half the honey) and pestisides, bees are not dying directly from farming, and vocados and almonds are eaten by everybody, not just vegans, so literally EVERYBODY is killing bees by bad practices.
He did not make his point, actually side stepped the argument and has you all fooled.
It is simple: If killing the pig is wrong then why isn't killing the bees wrong?
@@tinaleanne8230 It is wrong killing bees, but veganism is not the cause of it, nor vegans, vegans don't consume honey, so they doent contribute to the farming of bees for honey, and the bees that die at farms die for farming bad practices, vegans are also against bee farming dude, no vegan said or think killing bees is not wrong, the vegan in the video perfectly said vegans are not to blame for bees death's rate, while pierce was stucked on blaming vegans fro the bees death jsut because it was on an article.
In as much as Piers is an interviewer you gotta give your visitors a chance to talk instead of punching down the guys. i think all his interviews are just him telling the other party his opinion regardless of what they are trying to say or explain
You sound Hangry. Have a burger.
If a customer complains for not being fed in a Restaurant and they get banned, Who is the nut.
Let me guess.. he will bring up the avocado and almonds again
I grew up by a pig slaughter house and he is correct. We could hear them squealing, and literally crying. Us kids use to be so sad outside playing listening to that. Tried to get in there one time.
Love me some bacon tho
There is vegan bacon, a product made from plants and not from a butchered bodies.
You want them to be singing? Y'all little vegans can't stop us from eating bacon
Why you need to call it bacon? It’s not bacon. Bacon is made out of pork. NOT Turkey, NOT plants. Call it something else. Veggie BURGER, VEGGIE buffalo wings. STOP USING WORDS THAT PERTAIN TO MEAT. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES, NOT VEGAN.
@@germancamacho5352 Vegan bacon is disgusting, and trying to make people eat that shit is a form of animal abuse in itself
Yeah Joey! Well done!!🙏🙏🙏
Mrsash47.....well done🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️yuck🤢🤢🤢🤢medium rare is where it's at.
@@keepingitlowlow9506yeah I’m gonna comment how I like my steak cooked that’ll teach them 🤪
Absolute brain dead
I am gluten-intolerant and i went to a restaurant that had nothing I could eat. I just went out without any fuzz, not everyone needs to cater to you.
There are thousands of restaurants.
I think the point was (from what I heard) that the woman contacted the chef in advance, twice, and while he said he would cater for her he ultimately overcharged her (30+$?) for a non substantial plate of some veggies. Isn't that underdelivering or even a broken promise? And then the deserved criticism she left lead to the ban of all Vegans. Yet, as Joey said, he didn't ban all fishers for his other bad review a fisher man left..
That s adult behaviour, instead of boycotting a mans life work in case of this man’s restaurant. He s responsable for the family off his staff, for kids...I saw a piece of the physical attack on this man s restaurant was pure criminal behaviour
@@thanasisgod8226 Ah I missed that, if that is the case then that is just bad.
He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.
@@thanasisgod8226 He stated that he was unable to cater to her when he said he would. He owns up, admits it, and said her review was justified. Then, the vegan community started leaving false reviews to try and ruin his business. That's why he banned all vegans.