During this portion of the game she never accepted Joel’s death yet and still feels guilty whenever she doesn’t think about him or getting revenge on Abby. There’s no room for her to feel genuine happiness. If you played the game this was exactly what she wrote in her journal actually. During the first day of Seattle, she mentioned that hunters tried to ambush them and they didn’t stand a chance. This made her grow a deep appreciation for Dina for coming along with her. The important part is that she mentioned afterwards they found wild horses and Dina offered them some fruit which made them follow them. Dina was smiling so much for like half a day she wasn’t thinking about Joel or the WLFs and she felt guilty about it.
@@yol_n 1 can be angry for many reasons. Anyways it proves nothing beyond the possility of him peeing on her hand. IF she was truly angry,ND would have us kill the kid in a minigame. Or perhaps she remembered that Abbs is still out there.
Yeah, when I get happy I can't just live in that moment. I always ask myself "Wait, why am I happy?" and I realize that in the wider scope of things I don't really have a reason to be.
There's a reference to this in her journal. Before Seattle Day 1 Dina and her find some horses and Dina feeds them some berries they found and it's a cute happy moment and Ellie even acknowledges it, and smiles and says she loves Dina, and then she writes "I feel guilty about not thinking about Joel." The fucking details in this game dude are crazy.
Litterally, she has PTSD (i.e. intrusive thoughts,emotions, and memories) she clearly experiences this as she relaxs into the moment, as you can see the gradual shift as they come to the forefront of her mind. She shifts through the emotions and then attempts to ground her self in the moment by returning her focus on JJ. anyone seeing this as resentment towards the child should do some character research and look more depth into the study of body language and how PTSD effects the way the mind works. They did a great job portraying Ellie and her personality as a character.
This is literally how depression looks, when tears are about to burst out of nowhere. If you check the journal before she get locked in the barn, it says that she cornered and hit a boar in a gas station, and it's dying sound reminded Her Joel.
The guilt of survivors remorse and the ptsd has her constantly thinking about everything that’s happened she literally watched Joel get killed right in front of her. This is the one of the best game I’ve ever played in my life, and maybe the only series I’ve completed.
Fr, it's funny yet understandable that ppl forgot about the internalized conflict the characters have on themselves just as much on the out in the desolate 🌆 city battlefields. at first I was focused on the surface lvl of the storyline and probably a lil confused about the story at first too and the gameplay is what saved it with a 7./10 score to me but when looking back on that final scene with Abby seeing how she wasnt at her 100%, i knew it really stopped being worth it immediately even before leaving the farm house it wasnt anymore; but seeing the mental toll & seeing how just being in the middle of that rush still found the strength (from Joel & especially in herself) to just stop. playing it and reading back on info commentary on it. This game I can confidently say is 10/10! Damnnear 11 for such a subtle Ludo-narrative telling perspective & still able to incorporate 'us' the player, to still feel apart of this story. I'm glad🪷🤧 it got the respect it didn't get at first launching
When someone has major trauma such as Ellie you can be doing absolutely anything and then start thinking about that trauma so Ellie is probably thinking about the people she killed or Joel being murdered in front of her
@@daviddeckard800 I think that's kind of like saying that killing the Fireflies at the end of Part 1 negated everything else as "for nothing." Ellie's whole problem was her dedication to making sure she was worth something, that everyone who died for her would be justified with her sacrifice in some way. Her conversation with Joel at the very end of the game calls her out; Joel is sorry about the way it happened, but at the end of the day, Ellie being alive is what's important. Even if it ruined the most important relationship in his life, Joel doesn't regret his decision because he would rather she be alive and hate him with potential for a future than loving him and dead. Her trying to justify her existence because of her survivor's guilt is what caused their relationship to deteriorate in the first place, and she further loses pieces of Joel and herself in setting down the path of revenge. Killing Abby wouldn't have made everything preceding it alright, and Ellie wouldn't magically start to heal. She had to address the root of her problems, which was seeing her existence as some burden and feeling like she had to justify her right to live by serving other people (especially when Joel absolutely would not want this for her). Abby is already defeated, she's weak and unwilling to fight, and Lev will not survive without someone to take care of him. When Ellie holds her head under the water, she has won, Abby is a moment from death, and it doesn't fix anything. Like every other time she's hunted and killed these people, it's absolutely awful. There's no righteousness. So, she pulls away, listens to that voice in her head that sounds like Joel about how trying to forgive and forget would be nice. Because, at the end of the day, it's not about Abby. Ellie has internalized Joel's worst trait of suppression and let the memories of her loved ones haunt her. The way Joel is drawn with his eyes scratched out in her journal, the way she can't talk about him even to Dina, and the fact she jumps right back into the fray when Tommy, Joel's brother, guilts her, shows this. It's not until the end of the game that she's able to draw him, serene and with clear eyes, plucking the strings of a guitar on his porch. Killing Abby was never about Abby, it was about repentance, about doing right by her father figure after she felt she failed him, and because she blamed herself for his death. At that point, they'd both been through so much, it was a massive relief to have them go their separate ways instead and move on.
Same thing happens to me, it’s not fun and thankfully the therapy helps a little bit, but it’s still extraordinarily hard to enjoy anything without focusing on what came before
@@dragonsrule20201one of the few times reading a long comment on yt has been worth it. You are 100% right about everything and you didn't overelaborate a single thing, straight to the point without unneeded speculations.
@@JoeGoldberg1991 you unlock it as soon as you gain controll of ellie at the boat in SB if you look in the journal she wrote down what she did on her journey to find abby again and you should see a picture of baby JJ
@@JoeGoldberg1991 the previous commenter already said it, but I wanted to mention that another frequently missed journal entry is at the end of the game. It's a drawing of Joel playing a guitar, and for the first time, Ellie is able to draw his eyes. I think it's such a nice and subtle way of showing her finally entering acceptance
THIS. I noticed if you have Ellie look at herself in the mirrors in Joel‘s house right after his death, she has a hard time looking herself in the eye, like I literally kept moving the camera and she kept averting her gaze it was actually insane
Ellie: Damn, this is a nice moment of fresh air outside w my baby boy Her brain 3 seconds later: Do you remember the time you killed like 100 people just to get milly rocked around the block by the person you actually wanted to kill?
You can clearly see the conflict with herself,there's a lot a pain and suffering inside there,it's not that she doesn't care,she's trying really hard,it breaks my heart to see this.
@@duchessravenwaves2834 it’s natural teenage emotional stuff. you’ve got to understand how real life and emotions work my guy, not everybody’s feelings are gonna stay the same about everything, but i guess this game was made for a mature audience and you clearly aren’t part of that audience. Joel lied to Ellie about something she found very important. and he lied to her when she was a teenager (which makes her emotional response even worse) And atleast Ellie was on the road to forgiving Joel before he died, as seen in that final cutscene.
@@jsauceda9340 still feel more sorry for Abby, Joel killed her father ... I’d want revenge too. Ellie was horrible to everyone couldn’t careless about her .. edit oh well no I do care for Ellie I loved her in 1st. The end fight was so hard because I wanted both to live which they did thank god. But I’m more team Abby. She lost a lot more then Ellie did. At the end Ellie seen Abby as Joel, because Abby was traveling and protecting a teenager
@@duchessravenwaves2834 I like Abby too, but Ellie's anger wasnt unreasonable. You have to understand that a pivotal part of her character, from the beginning of Part 1, is her survivor's guilt. Her mom died giving birth to her, she only found out she was immune because Riley died when they were supposed to stick together, and then Tess, then Henry and Sam, and all the while she's experiencing the horrors of a world she thinks she can fix by making a cure. She needs to feel like not only her pain is worth something, but that *she* is worth something by giving something back for all the people she's lost. Joel not only took this away from her, but he lied to her about it and got mad at her when she questioned him. Dont get me wrong; I think Joel made the right decision. Ellie's perspective is one of a traumatized kid, and a child shouldnt sacrifice herself for a shitty world, but it was still something so incredibly important to Ellie, so it fractured the trust they'd built. What makes it even more painful is that Joel's death only makes her survivor's guilt so much worse. She regrets the time she wasted being angry, and blames herself for his death. So, she does what she did in the first game, and seeks to go so far as to destroy herself to give something back-- in this case, get revenge. The final fight between Ellie and Abby is very impactful, because it's a turning point in this mentality. Her most important relationship, which is with Joel, was not based on owed debts. It was one of simple mutual love. Joel did not need her to serve any great purpose, for him or for the world, he just wanted her to be happy. And killing Abby did not make her happy. It wouldnt have made Joel happy. This entire schism was created between them because of her inability to see her own life as something with intrinsic value. I think it's such a cool, but devastating, exploration of her character.
ellie loves jj. jj is just as much of ellie’s kid as he is dina’s. but, due to ellie’s severe ptsd, she doesn’t get to feel happy quite often. as shown in the game, right after she had some happy moments with dina and jj, she had a flashback and it ended. she loves the both of them so much, she just never gets to show it.
She has ptsd and she even talks about being guilty for not thinking about Joel in her journal. The look we see is one of her feeling guilt and sadness and she turns to comfort JJ so he doesn’t think it’s because of him. I feel so sorry for her. 😢
I feel sry for the ppl who really didn't understand this game too. I found it absolutely amazing that Ellie could still find the strength not to fully go thru on dealing wit Abby. I can only imagine the rush to find yourself still able to stop in such an adrenaline rush. 😖🧡 Phenomenal game friggin game.🖤 Also are u aware of the "Ludo-narrative dissonance" ? If so have you seen where it could have been occurring in the game? Cuz the reasons I've seent aren't fruition with actual proper arguments
@@EvilMockingJay Nope. Marlene and Ellie barely had a relationship in the games lore. Riley was her first love, Joel was her father figure and his death hit her the hardest.
@@pathetic2399 the post didn't said "the most" it's saying "the first". Again, in the game Marlene, in the show Riley. Play the game again, read the collectibles and you will see.
When you’ve lived trauma to trauma most of your life, even when you are happy, you’re always waiting for that other shoe to drop. She’s also got a whopping case of survivor’s guilt.
now she knows what Joel felt for years adopting her as a daughter and that he had to live with everything he did and remembering Sarah and wondering if he should be happy
No but bro that’s some top tier face animation. Best part is if you don’t look for that detail you’ll probably never see it. I can see what she’s thinking, unfortunately
Ellie loves and cares for JJ. Atleast that's what I believe. Ellie has so much PTSD that even in those moments when she's happy the memories and Joel come back. She can't quite get rid of them from her mind. Truly who would? Every second she does not feel the guilt it gets worse.
Nah bruh she’s got PTSD. Her mind is conflicted afflicted with flashbacks and attacks man. She loved that boy but those feelings drove her crazy cause didn’t handle it right. It happens. I’m sure she’s redeem herself in the next game. Much love y’all. ❤️🎸
That deep sigh of relief. Only to realize there's a bunch of people you killed that will never get to experience that feeling. They're last moments were fear and agonizing pain
Jesse: "I don't think I understand. I mean, I get that I die, but there's nothing in the script after that, not even a corpse scene." Director: "What's there to misunderstand? You get shot, you fall off-screen, and out of the plot entirely. You basically only exist to explain JJ."
@@Solobuddy yes it is. Lmao Dina literally says "we've got a family." They are a family. Dina and Ellie are his mums. You know gay people have kids right?
She's weighed down by her life, trauma, things she's seen and done. No one ever truly forgets these things. Even while in a moment of comfort and happiness the memories tend to come to the surface.
“ ahhhh what a wonderful day “ Two seconds later “ I wish Joel was here to see JJ grow I think he would have been a good grandpa if I hadn’t fucked everything up he would still be alive “
@@ulisesmontalvo9606 ellie holds a lot of guilt and self-blame, its very very common in PTSD survivors to feel guilt for things that they had no control over.
Incredible story she goes after Abby to kill her to actually end up saving her and letting her go free. Wonder what Tommy reaction would be at that news.
He better be in his feelings even more, cuz he started this whole thing in the end really. Instead of just staying to comfort each other some more and stay at Jackson, he couldn't be the mature person and let his emotional urgency, get to him. Ofc this game is showing the flaws of everyone. it's just some really sett thee the spark off and out
Human: *Doesn't smile 24/7* This guy "Wow. That person must truly not care about anything" Swear there TH-cam Shorts have revealed some of the most dense people in the world
Everyone’s pointing out that Ellis is likely experiencing ptsd here which is very true, let’s not forget a couple minutes after this she has a flashback in the barn
I mean, her mental health was trash since Joel's death, and then it was going worse and worse with no break. Nobody told poor girl about first taking care of her sanity, by taking time to let her wounds heal. You cannot care for somebody else and make their wolrd a paradise, while yours is falling apart. I don't think she didn't loved/cared for JJ. But she was definetly not in right place in her life to take such a responsibility as raising a child. I think that Tommy, Dina and the rest of town could do a better job of supporting her and make her stay in Jackson. Let's compare it with Abby. Her father was killed when she was in her teen years. She was able to mourn him properly being surronded by her closest friends. Even after years she was still able to track Joel and kill him in act of revenge. But I think that revenge was more personal, than just being a revenge done in the name of Abby's dad. Abby was then able to simply move on, cuz she already had accepted her father's death. Because Ellie was fresh after loosing Joel and then going on killing spree mission, her mental health was just turning into a big mess that instead of more trauma and stress needed time and rest.
I feel so bad for that baby. They had a fortified town with resources for child care, but these women decide to raise him in a farmhouse in the middle of zombieland
Crappy clickbait, but it does show the attention put into this game by the devs. This tiny detail, something very small that most players won’t even pay attention to … most games outside of a cinematic cutscene would have one general facial expression displayed, thinking players are behind the character and can’t see their face and can only hear the audio. They took the time to get the facial animation right and make sure it played on cue to convey a specific feeling the character is expressing. She goes from showing a small moment of happiness to being overridden with guilt. You’ll often see this facial animation be present after Joel’s untimely death compared to the more calm and content expressions she showed prior.
When you go through that trauma of losing someone, especially like that you find yourself struggling to be happy for a long time, feeling guilty for being happy, how can I be happy when they’re dead, I should still be grieving did I even care so early in you guilt yourself out of any joy because you aren’t grieving them the entire time, it could also be when you get happy or excited about something you think back on how the person you lost would’ve loved to see this, and now you’re thinking about them, and all the sudden you’re barely keeping yourself from crying finding that joy snatched from you
I really like how this game tackled the idea of actual trauma and ptsd. It’s one thing that always bothered me about the uncharted series. Drake gunning people down because he wants treasure, and almost dying over and over and just cracking jokes. At the end of the game it’s happy good times and no one mentions the absolute destruction they create for greed.
@@Jerry-jo6dn Yeah I mean literally everyone finds some way to cope with horrible things. You can’t read their minds tho. You don’t see every second of their lives. When asked, most people will just say they’re fine, especially men. You dont actually know how they really feel though. Not everyone suffers from ptsd like others do but nobody just forgets about those kinds of things and completely moves on without ever thinking about it again
This is realism Ellie is messed up mentally even if things go back to normal Ellie won't be it feel normal she been through enough crap she got war hero PTSD
![[s1] joel having beef with ellie for 9 minutes](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z-NF5RVdDJY/mqdefault.jpg)
She feels guilty whenever she feels happy. Guilty for not thinking about Joel even for a split second
She could be thinking how she got Jesse killed in her revenge for Joel. It is jesses kid
@@ryans413 Joel more important. Fuck Jesse Joel practically raised that girl in a apocalypse saved her life more times than we can count.
Nice catch dude!
All the deaths that happened in TLOU2 are because of Ellie. She's the reason for everyone's suffering.
@@ryans413 revenge for Joel? What revenge? She let her go even after watch this kids dad die in her face
Notice how even when she's sad she turns to the baby holding their hand for comfort/ protection
WOWEWW the details in this game bruhhh 😢
I'm so sad
Bravo vince!
@@MaxerV19 xD
Bravo, ND
She really gonna be like Joel when she raises JJ cuz bruh anything happens to JJ or Dina Ellie’s gonna summon Joel’s bloodthirsty spirit in her
Ellie was still dealing with PTSD
It’s the best…
@radisagunawardane1512
Or the fact that she's planing to murder Abbs who is still out there somewheres.
PTSD, or she just remembered the script for tlou2
Did Ellie tell you that?
Ellie would be the worst mom
When she realizes she's living a happy life with her girlfriend and son and then remember all the things she went thru her whole expression changes
That's not her son. The son you are talking about would want anything to do with her if he knew she let the killee of his true father live
Dina didn't love Ellie even Joel said he doesn't know her intentions but she would be lucky to have her
@@Sean-MacGuire, bro what are you saying is fucking cringe bullshit. There so many proofs that Dina loves Ellie, you cant just ignore that.
@@utubwatcher haha you know it's true sorry to break it to you
@@Sean-MacGuire, um man you dont. Im still think that Dina loves Ellie
During this portion of the game she never accepted Joel’s death yet and still feels guilty whenever she doesn’t think about him or getting revenge on Abby. There’s no room for her to feel genuine happiness. If you played the game this was exactly what she wrote in her journal actually. During the first day of Seattle, she mentioned that hunters tried to ambush them and they didn’t stand a chance. This made her grow a deep appreciation for Dina for coming along with her. The important part is that she mentioned afterwards they found wild horses and Dina offered them some fruit which made them follow them. Dina was smiling so much for like half a day she wasn’t thinking about Joel or the WLFs and she felt guilty about it.
man you remember this so sharp, pretty cool
D-Dina....Dean D-Da Dean
That slow fade from peaceful smile to depressed frown is one of the most relatable things.
depressed? more like angry
@@yol_n
1 can be angry for many reasons.
Anyways it proves nothing beyond the possility of him peeing on her hand.
IF she was truly angry,ND would have us kill the kid in a minigame.
Or perhaps she remembered that Abbs is still out there.
@@GameslordXY "ND would have us kill the kid in a minigame" HAHA 😂
Yeah, when I get happy I can't just live in that moment. I always ask myself "Wait, why am I happy?" and I realize that in the wider scope of things I don't really have a reason to be.
@@tylarjackson7928 it's a manipulative game
There's a reference to this in her journal. Before Seattle Day 1 Dina and her find some horses and Dina feeds them some berries they found and it's a cute happy moment and Ellie even acknowledges it, and smiles and says she loves Dina, and then she writes "I feel guilty about not thinking about Joel." The fucking details in this game dude are crazy.
Based.
the game is woke bs and all over the place.
@@susanwjoh0re735 Stfu, is a masterpiece and thats it. You don't have a f$cking brain if you think otherwise.
@@susanwjoh0re735 Ellie was always leabian was part of her character since 1
Shame the story is depressing for the sake of it lol. I've yet to see more forced emotion then what's in this game.
Am I the only one that sees she's happy but then then thinks of Joel and that's why her face changes
Bruh its exactly that. The rest are tripping
Why is she mad at Joel??
Litterally, she has PTSD (i.e. intrusive thoughts,emotions, and memories) she clearly experiences this as she relaxs into the moment, as you can see the gradual shift as they come to the forefront of her mind. She shifts through the emotions and then attempts to ground her self in the moment by returning her focus on JJ.
anyone seeing this as resentment towards the child should do some character research and look more depth into the study of body language and how PTSD effects the way the mind works.
They did a great job portraying Ellie and her personality as a character.
I was just thinking that
@@girlboss_london she's not mad at joel,she just wished that he was there
This is literally how depression looks, when tears are about to burst out of nowhere. If you check the journal before she get locked in the barn, it says that she cornered and hit a boar in a gas station, and it's dying sound reminded Her Joel.
jesus
The guilt of survivors remorse and the ptsd has her constantly thinking about everything that’s happened she literally watched Joel get killed right in front of her. This is the one of the best game I’ve ever played in my life, and maybe the only series I’ve completed.
Fr, it's funny yet understandable that ppl forgot about the internalized conflict the characters have on themselves just as much on the out in the desolate 🌆 city battlefields. at first I was focused on the surface lvl of the storyline and probably a lil confused about the story at first too and the gameplay is what saved it with a 7./10 score to me but when looking back on that final scene with Abby seeing how she wasnt at her 100%, i knew it really stopped being worth it immediately even before leaving the farm house it wasnt anymore; but seeing the mental toll & seeing how just being in the middle of that rush still found the strength (from Joel & especially in herself) to just stop.
playing it and reading back on info commentary on it. This game I can confidently say is 10/10! Damnnear 11 for such a subtle Ludo-narrative telling perspective & still able to incorporate 'us' the player, to still feel apart of this story. I'm glad🪷🤧 it got the respect it didn't get at first launching
When someone has major trauma such as Ellie you can be doing absolutely anything and then start thinking about that trauma so Ellie is probably thinking about the people she killed or Joel being murdered in front of her
Vengeance = silent killer. Still say she should have made water paint with Abby's brains so that all her efforts wasn't for nothing.
@@daviddeckard800 I think that's kind of like saying that killing the Fireflies at the end of Part 1 negated everything else as "for nothing." Ellie's whole problem was her dedication to making sure she was worth something, that everyone who died for her would be justified with her sacrifice in some way. Her conversation with Joel at the very end of the game calls her out; Joel is sorry about the way it happened, but at the end of the day, Ellie being alive is what's important. Even if it ruined the most important relationship in his life, Joel doesn't regret his decision because he would rather she be alive and hate him with potential for a future than loving him and dead. Her trying to justify her existence because of her survivor's guilt is what caused their relationship to deteriorate in the first place, and she further loses pieces of Joel and herself in setting down the path of revenge.
Killing Abby wouldn't have made everything preceding it alright, and Ellie wouldn't magically start to heal. She had to address the root of her problems, which was seeing her existence as some burden and feeling like she had to justify her right to live by serving other people (especially when Joel absolutely would not want this for her). Abby is already defeated, she's weak and unwilling to fight, and Lev will not survive without someone to take care of him. When Ellie holds her head under the water, she has won, Abby is a moment from death, and it doesn't fix anything. Like every other time she's hunted and killed these people, it's absolutely awful. There's no righteousness. So, she pulls away, listens to that voice in her head that sounds like Joel about how trying to forgive and forget would be nice.
Because, at the end of the day, it's not about Abby. Ellie has internalized Joel's worst trait of suppression and let the memories of her loved ones haunt her. The way Joel is drawn with his eyes scratched out in her journal, the way she can't talk about him even to Dina, and the fact she jumps right back into the fray when Tommy, Joel's brother, guilts her, shows this. It's not until the end of the game that she's able to draw him, serene and with clear eyes, plucking the strings of a guitar on his porch. Killing Abby was never about Abby, it was about repentance, about doing right by her father figure after she felt she failed him, and because she blamed herself for his death.
At that point, they'd both been through so much, it was a massive relief to have them go their separate ways instead and move on.
But that's exactly what it is. The scene where she has a panic attack is literally that
Same thing happens to me, it’s not fun and thankfully the therapy helps a little bit, but it’s still extraordinarily hard to enjoy anything without focusing on what came before
@@dragonsrule20201one of the few times reading a long comment on yt has been worth it. You are 100% right about everything and you didn't overelaborate a single thing, straight to the point without unneeded speculations.
JJ looks like the baby in ice age1😂
Lol 🤣
FACTS
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Bro fuckin bish u change my game 😂
Right 🤣🤣
In santa barbra she draws a picture and saying she misses him so much in her journal
Where to in santa Barbra does she draw this? I may have missed it :/
@@JoeGoldberg1991 you unlock it as soon as you gain controll of ellie at the boat in SB if you look in the journal she wrote down what she did on her journey to find abby again and you should see a picture of baby JJ
@@JoeGoldberg1991 the previous commenter already said it, but I wanted to mention that another frequently missed journal entry is at the end of the game. It's a drawing of Joel playing a guitar, and for the first time, Ellie is able to draw his eyes. I think it's such a nice and subtle way of showing her finally entering acceptance
Yeah but,
This is TLoU2, so we should ignore facts about the game and pretend out head canons are facts.
@Radisa Gunawardane fact, she forgave all 200 people who were doing their jobs, it makes sense.
Ellie when she forgets about Joel for 0.0003 seconds.
The fact that they put such subtle facial changes in GAMEPLAY kind of blows my mind
THIS. I noticed if you have Ellie look at herself in the mirrors in Joel‘s house right after his death, she has a hard time looking herself in the eye, like I literally kept moving the camera and she kept averting her gaze it was actually insane
Ellie: Damn, this is a nice moment of fresh air outside w my baby boy
Her brain 3 seconds later: Do you remember the time you killed like 100 people just to get milly rocked around the block by the person you actually wanted to kill?
NAHHH
🤣
Milly rocked is crazy 😭😭😭😭
Brain at 12:am
Milly rocked round the block🤣🤣 I'm ☠️
You can clearly see the conflict with herself,there's a lot a pain and suffering inside there,it's not that she doesn't care,she's trying really hard,it breaks my heart to see this.
In her head at first : I'm so happy I finally have peace and a place with my girl and baby
3 seconds later :I wish Joel were here to see me now
She was only nice to Joel for the 1 year or two then was horrible to him. I didn’t like her in this game. I felt more sorry for Abby
@@duchessravenwaves2834 it’s natural teenage emotional stuff. you’ve got to understand how real life and emotions work my guy, not everybody’s feelings are gonna stay the same about everything, but i guess this game was made for a mature audience and you clearly aren’t part of that audience. Joel lied to Ellie about something she found very important. and he lied to her when she was a teenager (which makes her emotional response even worse) And atleast Ellie was on the road to forgiving Joel before he died, as seen in that final cutscene.
@@duchessravenwaves2834 you can be mad at someone and still love them
@@jsauceda9340 still feel more sorry for Abby, Joel killed her father ... I’d want revenge too. Ellie was horrible to everyone couldn’t careless about her .. edit oh well no I do care for Ellie I loved her in 1st. The end fight was so hard because I wanted both to live which they did thank god. But I’m more team Abby. She lost a lot more then Ellie did. At the end Ellie seen Abby as Joel, because Abby was traveling and protecting a teenager
@@duchessravenwaves2834 I like Abby too, but Ellie's anger wasnt unreasonable. You have to understand that a pivotal part of her character, from the beginning of Part 1, is her survivor's guilt. Her mom died giving birth to her, she only found out she was immune because Riley died when they were supposed to stick together, and then Tess, then Henry and Sam, and all the while she's experiencing the horrors of a world she thinks she can fix by making a cure. She needs to feel like not only her pain is worth something, but that *she* is worth something by giving something back for all the people she's lost. Joel not only took this away from her, but he lied to her about it and got mad at her when she questioned him. Dont get me wrong; I think Joel made the right decision. Ellie's perspective is one of a traumatized kid, and a child shouldnt sacrifice herself for a shitty world, but it was still something so incredibly important to Ellie, so it fractured the trust they'd built.
What makes it even more painful is that Joel's death only makes her survivor's guilt so much worse. She regrets the time she wasted being angry, and blames herself for his death. So, she does what she did in the first game, and seeks to go so far as to destroy herself to give something back-- in this case, get revenge. The final fight between Ellie and Abby is very impactful, because it's a turning point in this mentality. Her most important relationship, which is with Joel, was not based on owed debts. It was one of simple mutual love. Joel did not need her to serve any great purpose, for him or for the world, he just wanted her to be happy. And killing Abby did not make her happy. It wouldnt have made Joel happy. This entire schism was created between them because of her inability to see her own life as something with intrinsic value. I think it's such a cool, but devastating, exploration of her character.
She feels like she didn’t do enough, she holds on to the thought of her thinking she could’ve saved him
ellie loves jj. jj is just as much of ellie’s kid as he is dina’s. but, due to ellie’s severe ptsd, she doesn’t get to feel happy quite often. as shown in the game, right after she had some happy moments with dina and jj, she had a flashback and it ended. she loves the both of them so much, she just never gets to show it.
She has ptsd and she even talks about being guilty for not thinking about Joel in her journal. The look we see is one of her feeling guilt and sadness and she turns to comfort JJ so he doesn’t think it’s because of him. I feel so sorry for her. 😢
I feel sry for the ppl who really didn't understand this game too. I found it absolutely amazing that Ellie could still find the strength not to fully go thru on dealing wit Abby. I can only imagine the rush to find yourself still able to stop in such an adrenaline rush. 😖🧡
Phenomenal game friggin game.🖤
Also are u aware of the "Ludo-narrative dissonance" ? If so have you seen where it could have been occurring in the game? Cuz the reasons I've seent aren't fruition with actual proper arguments
She's feels guilty for being happy for a split second
Joel was the first one to make Ellie feel loved...
I think it was Riley
I think that was Riley but Joel's death deff hit her the hardest
Marlene in the game. Riley in the show.
@@EvilMockingJay Nope. Marlene and Ellie barely had a relationship in the games lore. Riley was her first love, Joel was her father figure and his death hit her the hardest.
@@pathetic2399 the post didn't said "the most" it's saying "the first". Again, in the game Marlene, in the show Riley. Play the game again, read the collectibles and you will see.
"Life is good"
"Wait doesn't Joel had a child once..."
Kinda what happens when multiple traumatic things happen to you or loved ones, it’s hard to love again because you’re scared someone will get hurt
and that’s what PTSD does to you
she has more PTSD than a Marine infantryman that fought in Falujah
No…
@@filletmignon5221 Yes.
Ellie is like the mom who left for revenge and never came back
When you’ve lived trauma to trauma most of your life, even when you are happy, you’re always waiting for that other shoe to drop. She’s also got a whopping case of survivor’s guilt.
now she knows what Joel felt for years adopting her as a daughter and that he had to live with everything he did and remembering Sarah and wondering if he should be happy
Happy with his decisions?🤧
Man I can't wait for TLOU part 3! :)
Why it’s gonna be garbage just like the 2nd
From a business standpoint and with the amount of backlash the 2nd game got. It most likely won't get a third.
The graphics are going to be so much better
Man tlous3 is gonna be amazing
@@marshallewart1159 last of us part 2 has a very complex story and a great one. certainly not a story that could be understood by a moron like u
Joellll would be proud and he would be a grandpa
I love Ellie. 💔
Everybody thinking she feels guilty about Joel when it's just the baby who's dropped some serious 💩 😂
Ellie: *Feeling Happy*
Trauma: *Ruins Everything Like Always*
You literally see her eyes wonder and slump down into sadness again. She will always have that imagine of Joel with her :’(
No but bro that’s some top tier face animation. Best part is if you don’t look for that detail you’ll probably never see it. I can see what she’s thinking, unfortunately
the creators are so intricate and amazing bro. just the subtle things.
Her face changes because she thought of what happened in Seattle and what happened ton Joel
Ellie loves and cares for JJ. Atleast that's what I believe. Ellie has so much PTSD that even in those moments when she's happy the memories and Joel come back. She can't quite get rid of them from her mind. Truly who would? Every second she does not feel the guilt it gets worse.
SHE REALLY SAID “BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE💀”
Nah bruh she’s got PTSD. Her mind is conflicted afflicted with flashbacks and attacks man. She loved that boy but those feelings drove her crazy cause didn’t handle it right. It happens. I’m sure she’s redeem herself in the next game.
Much love y’all.
❤️🎸
She looks like she's trying not to cry and holding JJ's hand for comfort
She remembered Joel, then felt sad again...
that's actually a really good attention to detail
Nah dude she is just too traumatized to feel happy and loved.
She misses joel :((
(...He shitted himself again i think...)
You can see her lips shiver a bit. She was thinking about Joel and probably wanted to tear up again. Also she's dealing with PTSD.
That deep sigh of relief. Only to realize there's a bunch of people you killed that will never get to experience that feeling. They're last moments were fear and agonizing pain
This is a relatable mood sometimes you feel great and then remember something awful or that or kid just made a dooky
i also noticed her face change 😂
When you know your SUPPOSED to be happy but still somehow feel sad and empty inside
Ellie was still dealing with PTSD, plus she feels guilty when she doesn’t think about Joel.
This is the world's best game. The amount of detail is insane.
Actually⛰️🏔️ confidently say 11/10 💯💯
She’s still waiting for the paternity test results
😅👌🏻
Jesse: "I don't think I understand. I mean, I get that I die, but there's nothing in the script after that, not even a corpse scene."
Director: "What's there to misunderstand? You get shot, you fall off-screen, and out of the plot entirely. You basically only exist to explain JJ."
@@silverblade357 he also exists to replace Joel in that one trailer scene to piss people off 💀
that kid was screwed..
She let her intrusive thoughts get to her😂
THATS How my dad look my eyes when I was just a kids
Man it has been one hell of a journey watching this show with you!!! It’s funnier than watching the actual show!
Ellie living her best life with her baby boy:
Ellie's mind 2 seconds later: do you remember that time...
She just remembered the baby isn’t hers 😂
Jajajajajaj
Yeah it’s true that’s why being gay is pretty stupid
He is hers. Not biologically but she's just as much his mother.
@@LangkeeLongkee no it's not hers
@@Solobuddy yes it is. Lmao Dina literally says "we've got a family." They are a family. Dina and Ellie are his mums. You know gay people have kids right?
i feel like a contributing factor is wishing joel was there to meet her son.
That and all who has to die in her hands and "on"
Very much a toll on her too🧑🦲🌆
She's weighed down by her life, trauma, things she's seen and done. No one ever truly forgets these things. Even while in a moment of comfort and happiness the memories tend to come to the surface.
Bro didn't even cry yet
She's severely traumatised by Joel's death. As she should be, the man literally sacrificed the whole of Humanity for her.
Might be the ptsd from all the shii
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Relatable. Feeling guilty or out of place if you’re happy for too long because sadness is just such a staple part of your life
Am I the only one who died with laughter when the music kicked in and we were zoomed closer to Ellie's face?
Just remember, it’s not illegal to snort fresh air during the post-apocalypse.
why was I lowkey waiting for her to throw it on the ground
“ ahhhh what a wonderful day “
Two seconds later
“ I wish Joel was here to see JJ grow I think he would have been a good grandpa if I hadn’t fucked everything up he would still be alive “
How did she fuck up? He died due to reasons out of her control.
@@ulisesmontalvo9606 But _SHE_ doesn’t understand, nor believe that because this is from her pov
@@ulisesmontalvo9606 What'd Joel do again? Kill a bunch of anarchist?
@@ulisesmontalvo9606 ellie holds a lot of guilt and self-blame, its very very common in PTSD survivors to feel guilt for things that they had no control over.
“Why do we live just to suffer?”
- Kazuhira Miller.
I always thought of that
This game is a technology wonder, then the story kicks in
Incredible story she goes after Abby to kill her to actually end up saving her and letting her go free. Wonder what Tommy reaction would be at that news.
He better be in his feelings even more, cuz he started this whole thing in the end really. Instead of just staying to comfort each other some more and stay at Jackson, he couldn't be the mature person and let his emotional urgency, get to him. Ofc this game is showing the flaws of everyone. it's just some really sett thee the spark off and out
Human: *Doesn't smile 24/7*
This guy "Wow. That person must truly not care about anything"
Swear there TH-cam Shorts have revealed some of the most dense people in the world
fr always the dumbest clickbait titles 😭
Give them a break the game is very complex
Everyone’s pointing out that Ellis is likely experiencing ptsd here which is very true, let’s not forget a couple minutes after this she has a flashback in the barn
Basically every person thinking about Hollywood movies and Netflix first and then remembering what the USA did in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
She does care. She just feels guilty when she feels happy because she’s not thinking of Joel
I also know a baby named "JJ" on the walking dead telltale game.
You mean AJ
ellie:ahh allwase good
...
yes good
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wait joel death
I mean, her mental health was trash since Joel's death, and then it was going worse and worse with no break. Nobody told poor girl about first taking care of her sanity, by taking time to let her wounds heal. You cannot care for somebody else and make their wolrd a paradise, while yours is falling apart. I don't think she didn't loved/cared for JJ. But she was definetly not in right place in her life to take such a responsibility as raising a child. I think that Tommy, Dina and the rest of town could do a better job of supporting her and make her stay in Jackson.
Let's compare it with Abby. Her father was killed when she was in her teen years. She was able to mourn him properly being surronded by her closest friends. Even after years she was still able to track Joel and kill him in act of revenge. But I think that revenge was more personal, than just being a revenge done in the name of Abby's dad. Abby was then able to simply move on, cuz she already had accepted her father's death. Because Ellie was fresh after loosing Joel and then going on killing spree mission, her mental health was just turning into a big mess that instead of more trauma and stress needed time and rest.
Ce jeu est le meilleur... Les détails sont impressionnants. J'adore.
I feel so bad for that baby. They had a fortified town with resources for child care, but these women decide to raise him in a farmhouse in the middle of zombieland
Crappy clickbait, but it does show the attention put into this game by the devs.
This tiny detail, something very small that most players won’t even pay attention to … most games outside of a cinematic cutscene would have one general facial expression displayed, thinking players are behind the character and can’t see their face and can only hear the audio. They took the time to get the facial animation right and make sure it played on cue to convey a specific feeling the character is expressing.
She goes from showing a small moment of happiness to being overridden with guilt. You’ll often see this facial animation be present after Joel’s untimely death compared to the more calm and content expressions she showed prior.
she's so cute 😭
🤧🤧👍💯
Aj and JJ would be best freinds
Ellie, stepping out to see a beautiful sunset on a farm safe from infected:
"sigh :)
.
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.......joel should be here to...."
When you go through that trauma of losing someone, especially like that you find yourself struggling to be happy for a long time, feeling guilty for being happy, how can I be happy when they’re dead, I should still be grieving did I even care so early in you guilt yourself out of any joy because you aren’t grieving them the entire time, it could also be when you get happy or excited about something you think back on how the person you lost would’ve loved to see this, and now you’re thinking about them, and all the sudden you’re barely keeping yourself from crying finding that joy snatched from you
Ellie feels guilty for not forgiving Joel if she has forgave him she could have made good memories with him.
Ellie is king❤
She's actually probably thinking about the things she's going to have to do to protect him, it's a form of love tbh.
Ain't nobody going to talk about how cold this beat is?
Fr I needa know the song name
@@jordan9812 I guess it's the GTA V intro music
She was hangin out with JJ happily..and then her smile dropped cuz she was thinking of Joel for a second
She has severe PTSD to the point she endangers the baby. It bothers me she got punished for needing closure.
I really like how this game tackled the idea of actual trauma and ptsd. It’s one thing that always bothered me about the uncharted series. Drake gunning people down because he wants treasure, and almost dying over and over and just cracking jokes. At the end of the game it’s happy good times and no one mentions the absolute destruction they create for greed.
Not everyone gets ptsd dude. I know veterans who went through wars and live normal lives.
@@Jerry-jo6dn Yeah I mean literally everyone finds some way to cope with horrible things. You can’t read their minds tho. You don’t see every second of their lives. When asked, most people will just say they’re fine, especially men. You dont actually know how they really feel though. Not everyone suffers from ptsd like others do but nobody just forgets about those kinds of things and completely moves on without ever thinking about it again
Amazing game. Lol gta v theme god please no! Ellie suffered enough😂😂
@@finnishfatboi809 welcome to los Santos
Ellie and JJ reminds me of Clementine and AJ
This is realism Ellie is messed up mentally even if things go back to normal Ellie won't be it feel normal she been through enough crap she got war hero PTSD