Guess who used Shinjiro and only Shinjiro exclusively when he joined the party? Completely forgot he's not actually playable in this boss smh. Been 5 years since I last played Persona 3 lol. Koromaru was like 10 lvls underleveled, so I struggled a bit more with this boss than in the other full moon operations, sorry about that
Since it couldve been the shadow rigging the wheel, it really feels wierd in that moment. Instead of ressing to keep the fight going the shadow put in death and sat in a begging position. Really sent a chill down my spine.
@@dragooves-t7lit's very easy if you increase your attack and defense and use a bunch of threagy's the roulette is different from the original so not it effects everyone in battle and Akihiko makes it easier since Fortune is weak to thunder based skills and bash attacks
If only Shinjiro's in the boss fight to see that. He'd be the only one who understood the meaning, but chose not to tell the others because he feels this is his punishment, and that he should take it like a man.
@narutokyuni360 I mean, I'm aware, and it is tragic, but one cab only dream the new features in the remakes. Like Kirby Returns to Dream Land for example, with the Sand and Mechaa Copy Abilities
My favorite of the full moon shadows and part 6! Fortune isn’t just about luck, isn’t that wild? It’s about being able to be patient to wait for your moment, trusting in your own ability and assessment of the situation and not looking for shortcuts (ie cheating) and short-term benefits. You know how you have to make a decision whether to keep gambling or not? Fortune represents keeping a level head and making a proper decision based on what you know about yourself and the current situation. It’s the responsible gambling arcana. Kind of. Design-wise Fortune is also meant in this fight to serve as the “beast” that Strength has in her tarot art. Anyway, Shadow Fortune is, well, a cheater. And an impatient one at that. Instead of letting luck and fate play out as it will, it tries to rig things in its favor to avoid having to wait any longer, and even then it carries the risk of it being hurt and “losing” the (rigged) bet. Note that its Roulette gimmick also drags Strength into it, and makes her suffer as well if things don’t go well. Part of the upright Fortune is risk assessment and management, after all. The Fortune shadow doesn’t care about any of that, recklessly pushing through with its gambles no matter what. Strength is an arcana that, well, represents strength. Relative to the magician, who has great power and potential, Strength has great power that it uses to protect others. It’s also gentleness, kindness, generosity, and self-control over pure brute force. The Shadow Strength is… a demure, beautiful woman standing atop a bed of roses, surrounded by a fence that bears a passing resemblance to musical notes, with petals spinning around her. Why am I pointing this out? Because it’s a lie. The fence is not just separation from others, it’s a tool for brute force (she can extend the ends and spin it rapidly to attack). The petals are not soft expressions of beauty, they can cause damage (again, she can rapidly spin these to cause severe damage a la senbonzakura), and she shields a Beast (Fortune) from harm because she wants it all to herself and cares nothing for the danger it poses to everyone else. This is someone who outwardly presents as beautiful and kind, but is ugly, vicious, cruel, and greedy on the inside. Beauty and the Beast, but the Beauty is evil in the ways a Beast could never be.
OMG Amazing debunk. I can imagine that you loved how they portrayed strength in the movie being harsh, mean, selfish and using brute force on everything. KOing Yukari in a single sweep, as well as almost impaling the unconscious and aegis. And even when pinned down, using still being selfish with fortune. Although apparently the video game shows how fortune actually acts, in difference to the movie where it was just rigging its wheel to death ray, and we never got its interactions with the death/resurrect wheel or its gambling going wrong. Thank you, that completes the image for me.
Oooh no no no, not him petting Koro in the end, I'm gonna fall apart. Sure, Grant George nailed Shinji's rumble a little better and Cindy Robinson did Ken's kid voice and frustration a little better [especially in PSP] but this hurts all the same.
Nah it is def not luck based. I think it attacks on fixed pattern since the other video I saw also has it land on the kaja skill the first time it uses the roulette and 300 damage on the next.
Yeah I figured out the pattern immediately in FES, if you click on it slightly late right across the green spot you want to land on, you’ll land on it.
This is the one boss fight that I can say feels legitimately unfair because of the luck factor. I swear, he kept landing on the -300 HP one and would one shot all of my allies except for Akihiko. And granted, it is kinda my fault for neglecting Yukari's HP stat, but this wouldn't be a problem if we had some sort of EXP Share similar to P5R instead of making sure I keep everybody as evenly leveled as possible.
If someone is very under leveled a rare chest will appear and if you use a twilight fragment a clock appear and you can chose two characters to become the same level you currently are
As far as I've been able to see, you cannot do the Ghastly Wail trick because Fortune will never inflict status ailments. Based on doing the boss multiple times myself and checking videos of other people's playthroughs, the Wheel of Fortune is almost completely fixed. There's not even graphical variation in which spot the needle lands on. I've not yet seen Fortune land on anything besides Attack Up, 300 Damage, Defense Down, and Concentrate, and honestly I've only seen it in almost the exact order as this video with little variance. I tried to stall at different points and chip away HP slowly to see if it'll ever land on the other slices of the wheel, but after 5 or 6 total spins it just keeps doing (Ma)garudyne until you get its health low enough for that last death spin. (But it saves one of those normal spins for after Strength is out, it seems) It's probably for the best that it's not purely random so the fight can't become unreasonable, but it might have gone a little far. But it seems organic runs against the boss last about as long as the Wheel of Fortune paces out, so it was probably very specifically balanced.
To be honest so do I, he blows up at people one too many times for my liking and his perving on the girls is even worse than Ryuji’s attempts ontop of that. He does have a few good moments in the story but I just don’t think balances out to a likeable character . I love the rest of the cast though.
I'd say Aigis and Akihiko are good for this fight since fortune is weak to zio skills and bash attacks I used Aigis for buffs and as a back up heal and for orgia mode Yukari is an obvious option for this fight I don't really see how Junpei can help for this fight other then just spam slash and fire attacks
@hasshenjo6416 I'm not sure about reload, but in Portable Junpei has Marakukaja which buffs the entire party's defense. My MC buffed our attack, and I had Aigis boost our Accuracy/Evasion. Aside from Buffing I had him do the same as Aigis and use Physical skills
@@ncrveteranranger4454 yes Junpei still has this skill in reload but I chose Aigis so I don't have to waste my turn as the mc raising my attack stat not mention if Aigis and Junpei are both on the team that means I need to pick between Yukari for support or Aki to weaken the enemy and exploit the enemies weaknesses I'd say having Junpei Aigis and Yukari in portable but it's not the ideal team for reload when up against the strength and fortune
Ngl I was gonna be pissed if that final Wheel move literally instakilled us all, resulting in a Game Over. Thankfully, ATLUS isn’t like that (unlike a certain company *cough cough* Square Enix) because I hated bullshit like that in other RPGs. 🤬 At least this fight isn’t too bad in this one, despite how easy you can exploit this in the older versions if you understand how it works and where it lands. 😅
Guess who used Shinjiro and only Shinjiro exclusively when he joined the party?
Completely forgot he's not actually playable in this boss smh. Been 5 years since I last played Persona 3 lol.
Koromaru was like 10 lvls underleveled, so I struggled a bit more with this boss than in the other full moon operations, sorry about that
He’s in a safe place I think he wanted to find peace
Did they not make it so that characters who aren’t in your party gain exp like they did with 5?
Why is Junpei so underlevel?
@@manidavis4126those who arent in party dont get exp
theres a new feature that if you find a special area in tartarus, you can bring everyone whos lower lvl up to everyones lvl@@JohnnyFish971
The fact that the Fortune boss always lands on the skull before it's defeated is major foreshadowing for what happens in the next scenes
Only played fes show ALL OF MY HATE please tell me this piece of shit is easier in this version with full party control
Since it couldve been the shadow rigging the wheel, it really feels wierd in that moment. Instead of ressing to keep the fight going the shadow put in death and sat in a begging position. Really sent a chill down my spine.
@@dragooves-t7lidk if it was because i was a little overleveled or the boss but it wasnt that hard
@@dragooves-t7lit's very easy if you increase your attack and defense and use a bunch of threagy's the roulette is different from the original so not it effects everyone in battle and Akihiko makes it easier since Fortune is weak to thunder based skills and bash attacks
And guess whose Arcana just so happens to be the Fortune Arcana?
You'll also get a unique dialouge from Akihiko if he's in your party during the end of this boss fight.
whgat does he say?
@@blenls (angrily) "A misfire, huh? I've had enough of gambling with fate. let's take it down!"
18:46 ...OH
HOLY CRAP I GET IT!!!
If only Shinjiro's in the boss fight to see that. He'd be the only one who understood the meaning, but chose not to tell the others because he feels this is his punishment, and that he should take it like a man.
@@peternguyen7530 In the original videogame this not happen. 😢😢😢😢😢
@narutokyuni360 I mean, I'm aware, and it is tragic, but one cab only dream the new features in the remakes. Like Kirby Returns to Dream Land for example, with the Sand and Mechaa Copy Abilities
I think the way they did Shinjis death here has to be my favorite, probably because its also the saddest. To me anyway, R.I.P
It's basically the game's take on the movie's version. The cinematography is almost 1:1 with the movie.
My favorite of the full moon shadows and part 6!
Fortune isn’t just about luck, isn’t that wild? It’s about being able to be patient to wait for your moment, trusting in your own ability and assessment of the situation and not looking for shortcuts (ie cheating) and short-term benefits. You know how you have to make a decision whether to keep gambling or not? Fortune represents keeping a level head and making a proper decision based on what you know about yourself and the current situation. It’s the responsible gambling arcana. Kind of.
Design-wise Fortune is also meant in this fight to serve as the “beast” that Strength has in her tarot art.
Anyway, Shadow Fortune is, well, a cheater. And an impatient one at that. Instead of letting luck and fate play out as it will, it tries to rig things in its favor to avoid having to wait any longer, and even then it carries the risk of it being hurt and “losing” the (rigged) bet. Note that its Roulette gimmick also drags Strength into it, and makes her suffer as well if things don’t go well. Part of the upright Fortune is risk assessment and management, after all. The Fortune shadow doesn’t care about any of that, recklessly pushing through with its gambles no matter what.
Strength is an arcana that, well, represents strength. Relative to the magician, who has great power and potential, Strength has great power that it uses to protect others. It’s also gentleness, kindness, generosity, and self-control over pure brute force.
The Shadow Strength is… a demure, beautiful woman standing atop a bed of roses, surrounded by a fence that bears a passing resemblance to musical notes, with petals spinning around her. Why am I pointing this out? Because it’s a lie. The fence is not just separation from others, it’s a tool for brute force (she can extend the ends and spin it rapidly to attack). The petals are not soft expressions of beauty, they can cause damage (again, she can rapidly spin these to cause severe damage a la senbonzakura), and she shields a Beast (Fortune) from harm because she wants it all to herself and cares nothing for the danger it poses to everyone else. This is someone who outwardly presents as beautiful and kind, but is ugly, vicious, cruel, and greedy on the inside. Beauty and the Beast, but the Beauty is evil in the ways a Beast could never be.
Such an excellent interpretation! I always wanted to learn more about major arcanas ever since I knew about this franchise.
OMG Amazing debunk.
I can imagine that you loved how they portrayed strength in the movie being harsh, mean, selfish and using brute force on everything. KOing Yukari in a single sweep, as well as almost impaling the unconscious and aegis. And even when pinned down, using still being selfish with fortune.
Although apparently the video game shows how fortune actually acts, in difference to the movie where it was just rigging its wheel to death ray, and we never got its interactions with the death/resurrect wheel or its gambling going wrong.
Thank you, that completes the image for me.
Beautiful
And the fact that Fortune sometimes hurts Strenght is also part of the reverse arcana; about not having control over your feelings and emotions
Interesting. So the Shadow Arcana's are essentially Reversed Tarot Cards?
18:46- Fortune: Maybe you’ve defeated me… but I have one final prediction- your victory tonight will be hollow…
Oooh no no no, not him petting Koro in the end, I'm gonna fall apart.
Sure, Grant George nailed Shinji's rumble a little better and Cindy Robinson did Ken's kid voice and frustration a little better [especially in PSP] but this hurts all the same.
It really ticks me off that you didn't use matarukaja on your first turn.
But still great gameplay
man same. I've been playing this game non stop, and when it starts to get late and when I'm starting to get tired I have brainfarts
@@FazPersonaI fine ofc btw thanks for sacrificing your sleep to give us p3r footage
Almighty faz pls sleep
I like the part where he kept pressing Assault Dive and couldnt use it cause he had no HP 🤣
Phos
I see they got rid of the cheap tactic and have it base on luck. That ended up making this boss more difficult
Nah it is def not luck based. I think it attacks on fixed pattern since the other video I saw also has it land on the kaja skill the first time it uses the roulette and 300 damage on the next.
@@mrex666productions7it’s luck based, it landed on the magic buff first time for me.
@@tenryuublackrose2176 That's called a random attack pattern.
Oh my god, yukari and makoto are RIGHT THERE! Just spam heals and revives!
R.I.P Shinjiro
you was a brave man and badass too to the end.
Back in the day, this was the most painful boss fight because it was 90% luck, but I guess it looks somewhat better
It’s not luck at all the wheel is really easy to exploit in the older games.
Yeah I figured out the pattern immediately in FES, if you click on it slightly late right across the green spot you want to land on, you’ll land on it.
Nah it's not even luck on portable, I found a way to cheese it if you click the little border line on red, it usually went on blue.
You could time it
Oh trust me this fight is easy in portable once you figure the trick to the wheel
This is the one boss fight that I can say feels legitimately unfair because of the luck factor. I swear, he kept landing on the -300 HP one and would one shot all of my allies except for Akihiko.
And granted, it is kinda my fault for neglecting Yukari's HP stat, but this wouldn't be a problem if we had some sort of EXP Share similar to P5R instead of making sure I keep everybody as evenly leveled as possible.
If someone is very under leveled a rare chest will appear and if you use a twilight fragment a clock appear and you can chose two characters to become the same level you currently are
What do you mean you can’t interfere with the wheel
The fight remind me when play p3p when trying to get Infinity x10,when koro chan has to die
Damn strength hits hard
What is this song used in this boss battle called? I love it.
Master of shadow
Can you still instantly kill strength with ghastly wail if it's inflicted with fear from fortune? Or was that just a portable thing?
As far as I've been able to see, you cannot do the Ghastly Wail trick because Fortune will never inflict status ailments.
Based on doing the boss multiple times myself and checking videos of other people's playthroughs, the Wheel of Fortune is almost completely fixed. There's not even graphical variation in which spot the needle lands on. I've not yet seen Fortune land on anything besides Attack Up, 300 Damage, Defense Down, and Concentrate, and honestly I've only seen it in almost the exact order as this video with little variance.
I tried to stall at different points and chip away HP slowly to see if it'll ever land on the other slices of the wheel, but after 5 or 6 total spins it just keeps doing (Ma)garudyne until you get its health low enough for that last death spin. (But it saves one of those normal spins for after Strength is out, it seems)
It's probably for the best that it's not purely random so the fight can't become unreasonable, but it might have gone a little far. But it seems organic runs against the boss last about as long as the Wheel of Fortune paces out, so it was probably very specifically balanced.
28:06
Mitsuru has a different set of skills in the remake?
Everything is slightly different in the remake for balancing purposes
Is like Pokemon games, older mons get updated moveset in later gens
The same principle applies here
Man! you really dislike using Junpei. His level is so below everyone else.
To be honest so do I, he blows up at people one too many times for my liking and his perving on the girls is even worse than Ryuji’s attempts ontop of that. He does have a few good moments in the story but I just don’t think balances out to a likeable character . I love the rest of the cast though.
I think it's because Koromaru is faster and has fire attacks too so it renders Junpei a little useless once you get him
I'd say Aigis and Akihiko are good for this fight since fortune is weak to zio skills and bash attacks I used Aigis for buffs and as a back up heal and for orgia mode Yukari is an obvious option for this fight I don't really see how Junpei can help for this fight other then just spam slash and fire attacks
@hasshenjo6416 I'm not sure about reload, but in Portable Junpei has Marakukaja which buffs the entire party's defense. My MC buffed our attack, and I had Aigis boost our Accuracy/Evasion. Aside from Buffing I had him do the same as Aigis and use Physical skills
@@ncrveteranranger4454 yes Junpei still has this skill in reload but I chose Aigis so I don't have to waste my turn as the mc raising my attack stat not mention if Aigis and Junpei are both on the team that means I need to pick between Yukari for support or Aki to weaken the enemy and exploit the enemies weaknesses I'd say having Junpei Aigis and Yukari in portable but it's not the ideal team for reload when up against the strength and fortune
Bro i always die on this one and i have bad personas can someone give me advice
Ngl I was gonna be pissed if that final Wheel move literally instakilled us all, resulting in a Game Over. Thankfully, ATLUS isn’t like that (unlike a certain company *cough cough* Square Enix) because I hated bullshit like that in other RPGs. 🤬 At least this fight isn’t too bad in this one, despite how easy you can exploit this in the older versions if you understand how it works and where it lands. 😅
Square Enix? Don't you mean Fromsoftware?
@@CGrascal Them too as well, if you want. 😅
Sadly, the final wheel move did instakill someone...
Why doesn't these boss get down when they get crit hit, i managed to make many crit hit but i dont get any 1 more 😅
most piece of shit boss ever Might even be worse than the lovers boss
Fuck this fight
Skill issue this is easy
Such a stupid and unblalanced boss, who ever come up with this boss design sure have brain damage.
The VA is just bad, original does it way better and I'm pro Japanese Dub
You're a weeb, we get it
I thought the dub was fine
i saw both fine, maybe im not a Japanese or Western
Then stop talking in English...hide behind your daddy Neal Mohan as long as his cronies never take action.
Shut up