53:10 I like that they gave more agency to Mitsuru's relationship with Makoto in this version. Feels like I'm watching 3 women who love Makoto trying to cope with his death instead of 2 in FES.
The issue is that Mitsuru has little interaction with Makoto outside her SL like Yukari or Aigis. It's a change that feels so jarring because there's no evidence narratively to support it. It's hard to believe and just detracts from Yukari's grief
@@ZalaphraxRight, like playing Reload for the first time it felt weird that she's the one that doesn't have any romance flags and as such her Rank 9 confession feels...forced. Like girl he took you out to burger king like twice, Yukari's the one that was there for you when you were at your lowest.
@@Zalaphrax should we not consider the SL as evidence of character development? Mitsuru is clearly referencing her growth associated with her social link so I don’t want to outright dismiss it. I would like to think he got through his social links canonically before he kicks the bucket.
@BlazeyHero You could but that's the problem. Her SL is her only 1 on 1 interaction with Makoto as a character outside the scope of the main narrative, and even then it's after she's been grieving her dad. There's nothing else in the story to suggest her feelings of Makoto were as strong as Aigis and Yukari's will to uphold their personal promises to him
Yukari's attempt at taking Aigis' key is probably one of the most iconic parts of The Answer. It really solidifes how desperate they care about Makoto and how they would do anything to get him back. Toning that down feels wrong.
I agree that scene in the original is better, but I think Reload did good as well. I heard somewhere that the scene when Yukari trying to snatch key from Aigis is what caused her to become one of the most hated characters in The Answer. Well, Atlus did tone down the shadow Makoto scene as Japanese rating is really strict now compared to past games where they were uncensored .
@@wooseokkim935 Yeah a few people who experienced this period of time attributed it to just plain misogyny. Yukari isn't a traditionally polite female character who just sits idly and lets people make decisions. She gets things done and wont hesitate to do it her way. It just sucks that they muted her character that much in The Reloaded Answer. Her Arcana is the Lovers for goodness sake. She should be the most emotional, fiery, and desperate to get Makoto back. Especially towards Aigis' passiveness and indecisive nature. It creates that huge contrast and the way they both come to an agreement to balance that contrast out is what makes their friendship believable by the end.
Still, devs may have limits and did not want to make the Answer controversial again after people did not like the story. I don't know what to say after that, but Reload did good for a remake compared to RE3 Remake where 80% of the Original contents from RE3 Nemesis was cut!!!
@@inplane9970 It is so incredibly odd to me that the people back then apparently said she was out of character??? Like what? How is what happened here any different to how she acted during the Yakushima trip? The only difference is Makoto is a more personal relationship so she's more intense about it. I feel like they just straight up didn't pay attention to her character at all because she has always been an emotionally driven character and she has every right to be when she can't even get the space she needs to grief cause she immediately gets drug back into fighting again. They acted like she has Sakura Haruno character flaws which is incredibly disingenuous and now look at the result we get because of it.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Yeah people often forget how the events of The Answer happens like right after the base game. Makoto's death is still fresh and the fact that they all can still fight and converse normally is astounding. Yukari can't even be compared to Sakura because both of their relationship dynamics are completely different. Makoto truly helped Yukari through dark times, so it's only natural Yukari would develop an intense bond with him. Whatever feelings she develops from that is unpredictable and that's what makes her compelling. You can tell how much she cares.
Toned down or not it's still kinda sad to see friends fighting each other over some decision. Even if the decision is kinda about their supernatural cosmic key.
Normally I don't mind Yukari getting toned down since the originals (because she used to get slandered so hard back in the day), but that... yeah that was a bit much
the whole comments section is the spongebob pistachio ice cream scene, atlus wrote themselves into a situation they can't get out of unscathed with the inability to appease both sides of the yukari war
Everyone hated the answer, but now that there’s a remake of it their contrarian sensors went off and now they have to say that they actually liked it because new thing bad
TRUE, especially Yukari's character. Everybody HATED Yukari's rude personality in the original. Now people are saying they "toned her down" and that's bad. Persona fans man....they're something else lol
@@Freddy-on4cf omg yes, hypocrites on that. People hated that for the longest and now u got people saying "but the original version was better because it displayed her grief" when they 100% also hated that scene. I do too because it feels wrong to defend her actions with "she was grieving" when everyone else in SEES was also going through the same thing as her. Especially Mitsuru.
@@Did_No_Wrong The problem with this statement is that you assume all people are the same as if the same people talking about Yukari now are the same jerks yapping about her back then as if they haven't left the fandom, grown up, matured, and probably dealt with their own form of grief especially with the prior Covid-19 cases. Problem number 2 is that this thing of people selfishly imposing this idea in their heads, on characters, and on other people that there is a "correct" way to grieve is an incredibly, close minded, naive, and an unsympathetic view on how human emotions work. People get mad and sad just for dropping a dang cheetoh on the floor all the time and now all of a sudden when the literal closest person to them dies they're supposed to stick it out through adversity, suck it up, and act like nothing happened like some Persona 5, My Hero Academia ahh character? No, that's not how people work.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction This ain't bout toughing up when losing someone. Noone said that so don't know why you think that's what we meant. This issue with Yukari in the original answer is that she felt her grief mattered more than everyone elses. Grief is no excuse for someone doing something awful like trying to steal the key outta Aegis hands even though that would kill Aegis. Also do not use My Hero because that shit is overrated trash in my eyes.
Some people will say Yukaris breakdown is toned down, but i honestly love it here, From the start, i know what she is feeling, and her voice actress sells her heartbreak and grief from line 1. Plus, Mitsuru actually emoting and having an emotional stake in Yukaris journey due to the protagnists influence felt so amazing as they hugged instead of her just blankly going "Well, you did that one thing for me last year, so I'd thought I'd return the favour." Like i get her acting more ruthless and selfish in the og is on purpose as shes grieving hard but it became harder for me to identify with her and probably why many hated her in it but here they make her more empathetic Plus, just reminding the audience that the detail that they can actually travel to the past also at 2:32 also helps contextualise the situation and her postion better as this is a once in a lifetime opportunity adding to her desperation In short i like it
I couldn't do the Junpei and Koromaru fight. Koromaru is just too innocent and pure to be beaten and to experience pain like this. Broke my heart and my soul with tears pouring down my face, just couldn't do it.
Honestly, I was disappointed how they did Yukari crying that she wants to see Makoto again. She didn’t even try to take the key from Aigis. While I’m glad Yukari wasn’t an outright jerk this time, the way they did it in P3 FES was more raw emotionally and shows the depth of how much she fell in love with Makoto. Yukari didn’t feel that much like the tritagonist of the remake of “Episode Aigis” as she was portrayed previously.
that only shows that people will never be happy with anything, in the original they complain yukari was a jerk, on this they complain because she is not a jerk xD
@@King-ww6ni Persona fans: “Yukari is so unlikeable and annoying in the answer, I hope they tone her down a bit in reload” Atlus: *tones her down a bit in reload* Persona fans: *shocked pikachu*
@@happymoomoocow I don't know what the Persona fans of old were cooking but apparently they burned down every kitchen they could to make this change happen.
@@King-ww6ni I'm not old enough to experience OG FES, but I did watch playthroughs and did think Yukari acted like a jerk. But it's understandable because she loves Makoto so much. Seeing the other love interest inherit his keepsake and having to act like nothing is wrong for the sake of the mission must've been terrible to deal with mentally and emotionally. Case in point, not many people are capable of empathy and listening me thinks.
I didn't know about the original scene going in. I think it's best to accept them as two very acceptable reactions to the moment. Times change and the original had a different vision for its characters while the remake takes a more mature stance. That said the new scene emotionally wrecked me.
I wished Reload didn’t tone it down, Really showed Yukari’s refusal to give up and frantic desperation as she clings on to that dear shred of hope left. Cause at the end of the day, the main cast are all kids, Especially given age-range it’s pretty hard to get over grief of losing a loved one, And I’m sure a lot of people in real life can personally relate with a loss of a friend, relative, and pet. On another note I appreciate they added extra dialogue for rest of characters comforting her instead of just Mitsuru and Aigis, But this scene would’ve been overall a powerful moment had they retained Yukari’s full breakdown.
@DenizenOfGalaxy I really hate this change, but I guess they did it to avoid people hating her like what happened before. People can be surprisingly media illiterate in this fandom.
@@crunchy303 I honestly think there was no reason for them to do so. " Oh, let's tone down the moment where Yukari lets out all of her bottled up emotions she's been holding since, I'm sure people will love her for that! " That's just dumb. Yukari felt human at that moment. She was strong until the very end but fell to the vulnerability of the moment, here she just feels like she wants to be pitied.
IM FURIOUS TOO SHE ACTUALLY CAME ACROSS AS RELATABLE AND I ACUALLT SHARED IN HER GRIEF INSTEAD OF THINKING SHE WAS ANNOYING THEY LOCKED A GENUINELY GOOD AND IMPROVED SCENE BEHIND £30 DLC GRRRR
@@NotAdriana03 If Yukari being annoying is the caveat for you not being able to sympathize with her grief then that is an incredibly closed minded and unsympathetic view on how human emotions work I hate to tell you.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction sorry I definitely explained it badly due to the way the other guy was messaging and me copying it No I meant more in the sense of "yeah I miss the main character too" and I fully understand why Yukari is acting this way, as opposed to FES where the writing and voice direction kinda fall flat- I'm still not buying the dlc, literally because it's £30 and it will be knocked down eventually, but I'm glad they improved upon one of the more messy aspects of the original story
Persona fans man, they say that Yukari’s personality in the original was awful and now they’re being contrarian and saying that the new Yukari is bad… this is some soul caliber announcer level bullshit
I know we have a lot of controversial takes here: So I’m going to give my own as I compare FES and the Answer and go from there. 2:41 First, this dialogue in Reload was added here. And I actually think that this an excellent point to make in regards to Yukari’s decision to go back to the past. Her father’s death may have been hard, but without it, she never would have met S.E.E.S. (let alone Makoto). The past makes us who we are. While Makoto’s death may have happened recently, his death is what gave everyone a chance to live for the future. Any attempts to botch that means that everything he worked for was for nothing. In comparison, FES was more about how he would handle the situation if he got to go back to save Shinjiro and Miki. And while it’s a good moment, it actually does lead credence to why Yukari deems him (and Ken) as selfish (not she’s one to talk). 3:26 Secondly, FES mentions Chidori’s death while this version doesn’t. While IMO, this is for the best to not exactly give an explicit idea on Chidori’s survival or not is canon, I actually do wish that line was kept. Mainly because I see this as Junpei trying to understand where Yukari is coming from while also meditating the idea with Akihiko’s words in mind. And again, he is right about redoing the Nyx fight is way too risky even if he had agreed with Yukari. 3:53 I agree that without the moment where Yukari lashes out at Akihiko and Ken, the fallout here does loses its impact. 4:07 This is the moment where I wish they had kept the NG+ ending from Portable. Or had changed this dialogue to “why did YOU have to be the first person to be there in his final moments?” So this dialogue is inconsistent with the ending being Aigis being the first person to say goodbye to Makoto. 6:11 As much as many may not agree with this, I actually like this dialogue choice with Yukari. Because it later helps Aigis to find her resolve to be the leader and see her decision through.
Actually, Junpei mentionning Chidori’s death in the original was a mistranslation of the original Japanese script. In the original he just vaguely uses "aitsu" which is a somewhat way of addressing someone like "that person". JP pronouns usually aren't gender specific, so you usually use context to understand who they're talking about, but in this context, it is worth noting that the conversation subject is about the protagonist. Aitsu is also, again, a kind of rough way of addressing someone, Junpei wouldn't really use on someone like Chidori. The localization mistakenly thought that Junpei was talking about her instead of Makoto, which is not the case. This would make general hints at Chidori being alive in P4AU and P3D as not as much of a retcon.
Overall P3R Episode Aigis still did a lot of justice in remaking The Answer the best it could be. With theurgies, fights became more exciting and dangerous here! I wouldn't complain over a few changes. It does paint a clear picture of how things have changed since the original release though, could be used as reference.
Yeah, really should have. Like Yukari is a teenager who already lost her dad, now loses her love. Even at the best of times, Teenagers arent always the most likeable or mature people. Add grief into the mix, and the irony of Yukari being like her mom, and her reaction made sense. Yukari and Junpei in FES were phenomnal characters, some of my favorites in any RPG ever, because the writers allowed them to make mistakes and have depth. They wheren't always the most likeable people, which made sense given their backstories. Feels like something was lost in Reload.
What, yukari should try to grab the key from Aigis. What a let down :( I literally think all day what would it look like in reload since p3r released...
I think the problem here is that the way yukari's breakdown went (if you can call it a breakdown) seems like she didn't actually cared or didn't actually liked him like what the original projected. Thats why people got disappointed because she's supposed to wanna save Makoto against all odds because she's head over heels for him
@@theadmiral4157 Right. Here, it just seems like Makoto moved overseas and is now asking Yukari for some space. It seems like she's crying over a brief inconvenience rather than the love of her life being gone forever.
Though Yukari was being selfish it was muuuch easier to understand than Junpei's freak out about Nyx. The protagnists death happened so suddenly and it was'nt even a full month since it happened. I like that Atlus makes sure to keep pointing out how unhealthy bottling this stuff up is. Alot of people need to understand that these days.
They changed Yukari's breakdown so drastically, Im so disappointed. They also remove any mention or implication of her holding Makoto's "cold hand" or her anger about herself. Aki as an opposing voice is also just too passive here. Ive defended Reload so far but this actually upset me
though Yukari's dialogue after the colloseum battle are toned down, her dialogue before the colloseum part (where all of them discussing their decision) is better, imo. i can feel her emotion here, than the FES version. each version has their own strength and weakness.. so yeah
Ikr. I'm a new Persona fan (P3R is my first Persona game). While the game is amazing, the community is SO GODAMN AWFUL. I often play a portion of the game, enjoy it a lot, and when I go to videos like this one, most of the comments are just like "oh the original is better", "they toned this down so much", "they made it worse". That is so annoying. Seems like a good chunk of the community just can't enjoy the game because they compare it way too much about the og. I just wish they would stfu and let other people enjoy this game, because I couldn't give less of a shit about the stupid og x remake comparisons
51:27 Bruh, this is what im actually looking forward to in the remake. The drama, the intensity and all those emotions yukari had in the original are all lost. The part of the dlc that made it good is just gone, atlus butchered this scene ngl 😢
At least they fixed Jumpei's argument here He is not scared of failure Is... What if they end up fucking up so hard they actually fuck it harder than what it could have been if they failed at first... They did tought of Jumpei as the one of the "I WANT IT, BUT ITS NOT ONLY OF ME", like, he thinks how his actions will affects others, so he is able to take the L not for himself or because he accepted the circumstances, but because he hates the posible guilt he'll feel of what will happen to others if he fails
They also fixed that in the original, they knew that taking action would risk Aigis' life, but except for Junpei they don't give a f*ck. In the Reload version, they don't know, and Aigis doesn't tell them because she knows that they would hesitate and she punishes herself, believing she doesn't deserve their concern. It actually feels like they now care about each other, yet they still fight each other because they don't have the choice.
The more i rewatch this version the more i like it. And i really like intro scene when they decide what to do much more then fes one. VA is just too good.
I never played FES so this DLC was my first time doing these fights and yet somehow I only got to see Akihiko and Amada's theurgies as nobody else used theirs I was surprised by this considering how hard I struggled with the first fight but I should consider myself lucky that mitsuru and Yukari didn't use theirs, I already got megidolaon'ed twice in one turn by them (which killed me from full health) so I don't think I could have handled getting destroyed by the theurgy aswell
I’m just saying this: If taking Aigis’s key didn’t kill her, AND if they were able to actually beat Nyx in the runback without the MC having to sacrifice himself, Yukari and Mitsuru would be 100% right. I don’t give a FFFUCK about sum “honoring his sacrifice” or that shit if bro doesn’t need to kill himself to save the planet we not letting him kill himself. If we stop the cataclysm and he still wanna shoot himself in the face then that’s his business but there is no actual reason to just leave him for dead in this scenario. But since it isn’t like that Junpei was the only one thinking clearly about the fact that Nyx was basically unbeatable for all of them and they couldn’t change the past even if they all wanted to.
That's the whole point they have no chance against Nyx and Junpei simply used logic. He wants to live. The answer imo is just a mess in general for writing.
Literally, this is as good as being in the main game instead of being dlc. The voice acting, the rising action, the cutscenes. Man, everything is so underwhelming.
Yeeeaahh...this is what I feared even before base Reload came out... things should be allowed to be a product of their time. Remaking amd tweaking everything just to cater to the softer modern day standards is going to waterdown what made the original so special in the first place, both BubbleTea and Nam's Compendium were right.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction i think that's the wrong angle because they made changes that were MASSIVELY requested at the time of the originals- the modern day standards for Persona stories are more mature than they were back then, which is why everyone is disappointed now that the intensity is scaled back. really strange how it happens, but this is undeniably less of a "gamers these days" issue and more of a "gamers those days" one. never forget how the main take aways from The Answer back when it came out were "Yukari is hysterical and the worst character in the game" and "Holy shit, they're gonna revive the MC someday!"
@@erika-yi3gx *sigh* You see I'm not much of a gamer, I simply play what I enjoy so this is my first experience with a remake. I was fine with the base game but this expansion has really had me mulling over how I really feel about the whole P3R experience. I think the biggest thing that gets me about Reload is how people insist on calling it a Persona 5 clone when it doesn't even introduce enough cool things that Persona 5 did. Sure it was piss easy but the cool features gave it it's own identity. There were a few people who didn't think P3 didn't need a remake while I thought a remake would be great because I thought they would go all out and introduce so many cool new things but no, it kinda just feels like shiny P3 but oversimplified to hfil and back. It really makes me value the things I enjoy that have very clear rough edges, made with a very clear intention that is it's very own uninfluenced by outside voices, like a kid drawing picture that has harsh edges and visible eraser marks. I honestly don't think I would feel nearly as disappointed if P3 FES was more widely available like Golden, Royal, and Portable so that people could easily pick and choose their experiences so they'd see the value that us old players saw...
Damn , these guys arent playing, i lost 6 times against akihiko in merciless cause his theurgy, and 3 times against koro and junpei, mitsuru and yukari they wanted to put an end to aigis, metis, and me existence nuking the shit out of me
Tbh i loved the original anwser and how Yukari acted felt real but persona fans prefer date underage girl in a video game and dont want them to act like people with flaws
No! "Don't" is the new battle theme "Heartful Cry" is the most iconic song from FES and from these fights, change it would make everyone upset and plain weird
I need to know why do many hate The Answer? I finished it and can say it was fine. Fighting each other than literally being “ah cool” after was meh though ngl
Take spiderman 3 for example, they hated spiderman dance. Then 10 years later, they praised it and joker starred joaquin's dance also get inspired by it.
@@maxjpz The thing is that I feel like they made her more reasonable and nicer moments more jarring to her more aggressive and grief-stricken moments she had in this DLC, like at 51:23. I wouldn't mind it much if they rewrite the transition to her grief moment in a more natural way. I do like details such as Akihiko and others not shooting her down with logic and being slightly more open-minded, Mitsuru's motivation of helping Yukari, etc.
Reload has great graphics and more fluid gameplay, but lost a lot of impact to make more likeable characters instead of more human characters. They butchered one of the strongest moments of Yukari. Also, their reasoning behind the colliseum fights was more empty with that "honor". Funny enough, but FES did a lot better the writing of episode aigis.
One thing I really liked about the Orginal is that unlike a lot of games, it wasnt afraid to make the main party members very flawed and layered(see Junpei's Jealousy, Yukari's bitchiness, Mitsuru keeping secrets,etc). Shame that Reload thought to "fix" something that wasnt broken.
@@theimpersonator7086 Yukari wasnt Bitchy in the Japanese dub. She was defensive at times and didn't have any problem in being confrontational, but always there was a reason behind her behaviour, even in the answer. Yukari has instrumental grief, thoughbubble did an amazing job on explaining how complex is the trauma of Yukari after losing her father.
@@narasnek ThoughtBubble did an amazing job breaking down Yukari's nature and her grief but Reload has me talking like Nam's Compendium. I've been trying to defend Reload a lot but this was a genuine disappointment that I just cannot overlook. I've always loved flawed characters that aren't afraid to be unlikable. Just like Obito Uchiha from Naruto or Nadeko Sengoku from Monogatari, Yukari's raw emotion is what made The Answer so impactful for me, they weren't afraid to show how people are when they are at their lowest. Those kind of emotions ARE hard to look at. People hate them and want to live in fantasy land where it's all peaches and cream or whatever flaw that is there they want it covered in pretty rose petals but those emotions are very much real, ESPECIALLY for Yukari who is a girl absolutely driven by emotion. Reload really missed the point of that and decided to listen to the complainers instead of trusting those of us who understand and letting the narrative have it's own voice.
@@moodchange2705 From what I heard, Yukari became unpopular after people played the answer because she wanted to go back to the past. I can't say it will happen again but there is a chance that the new generation will hate Yukari too. (btw I don't hate Yukari)
@justinmoreno390 I'm aware, I've been part of the fandom for years. But the way they toned it down will probably help people accept her breakdown more. But this is one of the changes that I hate
@@justinmoreno390 Also I don’t want to sound PC, But I’m pretty sure the widespread Yukari hate back in the day was partially contributed to misogyny, The sentiment of that time was basically how dare that female character “talk out of line” instead of being a simplistic waifu material. There’s definitely some older game forums out where far worse and disgusting things were said about her based on gender. Of course that hate sentiment died out a lot over the following years, with p3 gaining cult following and underrated appreciation for characters by more and newer fans, while P4 and 5 took the spotlight. Nowadays, I’m very sure any of those old Yukari haters left will be deservingly called out by People with common sense.
I kept seeing people say Yukari's breakdown wasn’t as good as the original because she wasn’t trying to steal the key. But her reaction was just as good if not better at the beginning. How she begged for Makoto back, how she couldn't handle trying to move on without him. Even how Mitsuru comforted and showed how much she cared for her. All of that was heart-wrenching, as it should be for someone who lost someone so dear to them 😢
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Sure, the way Atlus handled Yukari’s determination to bring back Makoto was handled much better in Reload, when it came down to Yukari’s breakdown after the fight, I wish they could’ve kept it pretty much similar to the original FES. Yukari’s a teenager going through with losing her father and now losing the person she loved the most so you can’t expect ANYONE to keep a composed face after all of that. The small detail of Yukari desperately trying to grab the true key from Aigis should’ve been kept in because it would show new players just how far Yukari would be willing to go just to see Makoto one last time even if they had to fight Nyx again in order to see him alive again.
I honestly think the OG answer is much better than this one in so many levels. I couldn't even feel the humanization of Aigis because everything got baby-fied to an incomprehensible level. Edit: What the hell did they do with Yukari's breakdown
Thank god i never got this remake, for me it doesnt make justice to the OG game . The Yukari breakdown was such an important moment in her growth as a person...losing someone so important for her , and besides , she is still young and inmature, wtf Atlus?
@@halo16918 Nobody said it has no weight it is lessened dramatically by one little moment of Yukari not trying to take the key. Like imagine watching Vegeta vs Frieza in Dragon Ball Z and they decide to skip the part where he shot down that giant last ditch effort blast at Frieza before he breaks down in tears losing all hope. The impact of his torture would be raptured from then on and it would feel ordinary af like Reloads scene.
@@lucasbenfante That's cool and all for you but me personally my favorite characters in Anime, games, books, anything are the ones that aren't afraid to show their ugly sides especially when that ugly side leads to great development. I loved how Yukari's selfishness was displayed in the og because she was grieving and in a position she didn't want to be drug back to, for a girl who is so driven by emotion it made sense for her character. People's true nature when they are at their lowest is a disturbing sight. It is not easy to look at and most of us just want to live in fantasy land just to get away from that but, that very emotion is what made a scene like this in og so impactful. Now it's just...very minimal...
The answer they shouldn't have remade because it destroys most of the story and certain characters complete development. Furthermore with this and arena it adds huge plot holes. But whatever sega and atlus needs that money. I think we Would have sll preferred a brand spanking new Persona than p3 remade imo Heck P2 remake would have been interesting, however granted they would have neutered lot on there because it has lot of darkness on there.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Ugh ikr?? Honestly, I didn't feel nothing from this demake. I just went to watch the original scenes and hoo boy the emotions especially Yukari breaking down got me teary-eyed as always.
Honestly this entire game didn't need a remake, and I would have prefered a new persona game. Also the answer is so bad it's literally leaves plot holes in Persona arena that makes me go WHY just leave it at 3
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poor guy streamed for like 12 hours straight
You needed some sleep bro
I sleep while u are live, and wake up still wacthing your live😂
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See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
Junpei going from the most immature member of SEES into the most emotionally mature member is such a good arc.
Yup, thats why he is my top 1 best man of the Persona games, he is not cute or cool or nice
He is Mature, and thats awesome, I hope he gets Chidori
yea no chidori is gone lol@@CarlosSilva-bh4bi
@@saj9972 No, not really
@@saj9972they’re engaged in the p4au
Faz thinks I wasn’t there when he died to Junpei and Koro four times
FOUR!
I thought he died to all of them once.
Junpeis stupid vorbal blade spam (at least in the OG) was stupid af
These fights are so bull shit like honestly their just not good unfortunately
@@sirsonic1832 Or maybe you’re just a fraud like faz 🌚
I LOVE GETTING HIT WITH MEGIDOLOAN OVER AND OVER
The fact they can also use Theurgies but also Shift together makes this more dangerous
Definitely a huge improvement alongside Aigis saying the personas names
Oh yeah, Definitely! Pretty nice to hear this!
This must makes sense. They were using those strategies from their journey until then so of course they would use it.
Fair point, Fair point.
@@unknowed5048yes i loved seeing yukari and mitsuru spam megidoleon on nyx
heartful cry hits hard fr fr, especailly when it was timed for the beat drop after members of sees finished their sentences
53:10 I like that they gave more agency to Mitsuru's relationship with Makoto in this version. Feels like I'm watching 3 women who love Makoto trying to cope with his death instead of 2 in FES.
True, plus it goes well with both of Mitsuru’s routes
The issue is that Mitsuru has little interaction with Makoto outside her SL like Yukari or Aigis. It's a change that feels so jarring because there's no evidence narratively to support it. It's hard to believe and just detracts from Yukari's grief
@@ZalaphraxRight, like playing Reload for the first time it felt weird that she's the one that doesn't have any romance flags and as such her Rank 9 confession feels...forced. Like girl he took you out to burger king like twice, Yukari's the one that was there for you when you were at your lowest.
@@Zalaphrax should we not consider the SL as evidence of character development? Mitsuru is clearly referencing her growth associated with her social link so I don’t want to outright dismiss it. I would like to think he got through his social links canonically before he kicks the bucket.
@BlazeyHero You could but that's the problem. Her SL is her only 1 on 1 interaction with Makoto as a character outside the scope of the main narrative, and even then it's after she's been grieving her dad. There's nothing else in the story to suggest her feelings of Makoto were as strong as Aigis and Yukari's will to uphold their personal promises to him
Yukari's attempt at taking Aigis' key is probably one of the most iconic parts of The Answer. It really solidifes how desperate they care about Makoto and how they would do anything to get him back. Toning that down feels wrong.
I agree that scene in the original is better, but I think Reload did good as well. I heard somewhere that the scene when Yukari trying to snatch key from Aigis is what caused her to become one of the most hated characters in The Answer. Well, Atlus did tone down the shadow Makoto scene as Japanese rating is really strict now compared to past games where they were uncensored .
@@wooseokkim935 Yeah a few people who experienced this period of time attributed it to just plain misogyny. Yukari isn't a traditionally polite female character who just sits idly and lets people make decisions. She gets things done and wont hesitate to do it her way. It just sucks that they muted her character that much in The Reloaded Answer.
Her Arcana is the Lovers for goodness sake. She should be the most emotional, fiery, and desperate to get Makoto back. Especially towards Aigis' passiveness and indecisive nature. It creates that huge contrast and the way they both come to an agreement to balance that contrast out is what makes their friendship believable by the end.
Still, devs may have limits and did not want to make the Answer controversial again after people did not like the story. I don't know what to say after that, but Reload did good for a remake compared to RE3 Remake where 80% of the Original contents from RE3 Nemesis was cut!!!
@@inplane9970 It is so incredibly odd to me that the people back then apparently said she was out of character??? Like what? How is what happened here any different to how she acted during the Yakushima trip? The only difference is Makoto is a more personal relationship so she's more intense about it.
I feel like they just straight up didn't pay attention to her character at all because she has always been an emotionally driven character and she has every right to be when she can't even get the space she needs to grief cause she immediately gets drug back into fighting again.
They acted like she has Sakura Haruno character flaws which is incredibly disingenuous and now look at the result we get because of it.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Yeah people often forget how the events of The Answer happens like right after the base game. Makoto's death is still fresh and the fact that they all can still fight and converse normally is astounding.
Yukari can't even be compared to Sakura because both of their relationship dynamics are completely different. Makoto truly helped Yukari through dark times, so it's only natural Yukari would develop an intense bond with him. Whatever feelings she develops from that is unpredictable and that's what makes her compelling. You can tell how much she cares.
Junpei is the best character
He's entire development into being the only person who says anything that makes sense in this story is the proof.
Toned down or not it's still kinda sad to see friends fighting each other over some decision. Even if the decision is kinda about their supernatural cosmic key.
how internet arguments be like:
20:27 Crazy hype with the crescendo of the music surviving that gods hand 💀 with the high stakes
Real, if he went for Ziodyne Faz was dead
51:26
Yukari: Yeah so.. 😃
*1 sec later*
That was incredibly jarring that she didn't try to grab the key, I did not think they would remove that...
Me when the low blood pressure hits
Normally I don't mind Yukari getting toned down since the originals (because she used to get slandered so hard back in the day), but that...
yeah that was a bit much
the whole comments section is the spongebob pistachio ice cream scene, atlus wrote themselves into a situation they can't get out of unscathed with the inability to appease both sides of the yukari war
Honestly. That’s just the answer I guess. Controversial till the end of time
@@WingItMan217abyss of time
They toned Yukari down but I cant blame them tho cause of how people originally felt 😂
And yet they still complain. People are hard to please.
Exactly what I'm saying. People will often say...
"Oh people just didn't understand the point of this story..."
Umm... okay and whose fault is that?
I swear this DLC really making people act like they liked The Answer in the first place
Everyone hated the answer, but now that there’s a remake of it their contrarian sensors went off and now they have to say that they actually liked it because new thing bad
TRUE, especially Yukari's character. Everybody HATED Yukari's rude personality in the original. Now people are saying they "toned her down" and that's bad. Persona fans man....they're something else lol
@@Freddy-on4cf omg yes, hypocrites on that. People hated that for the longest and now u got people saying "but the original version was better because it displayed her grief" when they 100% also hated that scene. I do too because it feels wrong to defend her actions with "she was grieving" when everyone else in SEES was also going through the same thing as her. Especially Mitsuru.
@@Did_No_Wrong The problem with this statement is that you assume all people are the same as if the same people talking about Yukari now are the same jerks yapping about her back then as if they haven't left the fandom, grown up, matured, and probably dealt with their own form of grief especially with the prior Covid-19 cases.
Problem number 2 is that this thing of people selfishly imposing this idea in their heads, on characters, and on other people that there is a "correct" way to grieve is an incredibly, close minded, naive, and an unsympathetic view on how human emotions work. People get mad and sad just for dropping a dang cheetoh on the floor all the time and now all of a sudden when the literal closest person to them dies they're supposed to stick it out through adversity, suck it up, and act like nothing happened like some Persona 5, My Hero Academia ahh character? No, that's not how people work.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction This ain't bout toughing up when losing someone. Noone said that so don't know why you think that's what we meant. This issue with Yukari in the original answer is that she felt her grief mattered more than everyone elses. Grief is no excuse for someone doing something awful like trying to steal the key outta Aegis hands even though that would kill Aegis. Also do not use My Hero because that shit is overrated trash in my eyes.
Some people will say Yukaris breakdown is toned down, but i honestly love it here, From the start, i know what she is feeling, and her voice actress sells her heartbreak and grief from line 1.
Plus, Mitsuru actually emoting and having an emotional stake in Yukaris journey due to the protagnists influence felt so amazing as they hugged instead of her just blankly going
"Well, you did that one thing for me last year, so I'd thought I'd return the favour."
Like i get her acting more ruthless and selfish in the og is on purpose as shes grieving hard but it became harder for me to identify with her and probably why many hated her in it but here they make her more empathetic
Plus, just reminding the audience that the detail that they can actually travel to the past also at 2:32 also helps contextualise the situation and her postion better as this is a once in a lifetime opportunity adding to her desperation
In short i like it
I couldn't do the Junpei and Koromaru fight. Koromaru is just too innocent and pure to be beaten and to experience pain like this. Broke my heart and my soul with tears pouring down my face, just couldn't do it.
20:29 the silence gameplay after combo😂😂😂
Shadow Hound is the new Scarlet Havoc, and it makes sense considering Aigis's original Persona was Pierce based
Watching this on stream was goated 😊
Whole gang pulled up to help him 😭🙏
Honestly, I was disappointed how they did Yukari crying that she wants to see Makoto again. She didn’t even try to take the key from Aigis. While I’m glad Yukari wasn’t an outright jerk this time, the way they did it in P3 FES was more raw emotionally and shows the depth of how much she fell in love with Makoto. Yukari didn’t feel that much like the tritagonist of the remake of “Episode Aigis” as she was portrayed previously.
that only shows that people will never be happy with anything, in the original they complain yukari was a jerk, on this they complain because she is not a jerk xD
@@King-ww6ni Persona fans: “Yukari is so unlikeable and annoying in the answer, I hope they tone her down a bit in reload”
Atlus: *tones her down a bit in reload*
Persona fans: *shocked pikachu*
@@happymoomoocow I don't know what the Persona fans of old were cooking but apparently they burned down every kitchen they could to make this change happen.
@@King-ww6ni I'm not old enough to experience OG FES, but I did watch playthroughs and did think Yukari acted like a jerk. But it's understandable because she loves Makoto so much. Seeing the other love interest inherit his keepsake and having to act like nothing is wrong for the sake of the mission must've been terrible to deal with mentally and emotionally.
Case in point, not many people are capable of empathy and listening me thinks.
I didn't know about the original scene going in. I think it's best to accept them as two very acceptable reactions to the moment. Times change and the original had a different vision for its characters while the remake takes a more mature stance. That said the new scene emotionally wrecked me.
I expect Yukari attempting to take the True Key from Aigis.
I wished Reload didn’t tone it down, Really showed Yukari’s refusal to give up and frantic desperation as she clings on to that dear shred of hope left.
Cause at the end of the day, the main cast are all kids, Especially given age-range it’s pretty hard to get over grief of losing a loved one, And I’m sure a lot of people in real life can personally relate with a loss of a friend, relative, and pet.
On another note I appreciate they added extra dialogue for rest of characters comforting her instead of just Mitsuru and Aigis, But this scene would’ve been overall a powerful moment had they retained Yukari’s full breakdown.
@DenizenOfGalaxy I really hate this change, but I guess they did it to avoid people hating her like what happened before. People can be surprisingly media illiterate in this fandom.
@@moodchange2705 as someone once said when the trailer dropped "the biggest media literacy test in persona is about to drop"
@@moodchange2705I feel the same way dude. The change wasn’t required but I see why they did it
@@crunchy303 I honestly think there was no reason for them to do so. " Oh, let's tone down the moment where Yukari lets out all of her bottled up emotions she's been holding since, I'm sure people will love her for that! "
That's just dumb. Yukari felt human at that moment. She was strong until the very end but fell to the vulnerability of the moment, here she just feels like she wants to be pitied.
WHY DID THEY TONE DOWN YUKARI'S BREAKDOWN??? IT MADE HER FEEL SO HUMAN AND GAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO HER CHARACTER I'M SO MAD OMG
IM FURIOUS TOO
SHE ACTUALLY CAME ACROSS AS RELATABLE AND I ACUALLT SHARED IN HER GRIEF INSTEAD OF THINKING SHE WAS ANNOYING
THEY LOCKED A GENUINELY GOOD AND IMPROVED SCENE BEHIND £30 DLC GRRRR
@@NotAdriana03 If Yukari being annoying is the caveat for you not being able to sympathize with her grief then that is an incredibly closed minded and unsympathetic view on how human emotions work I hate to tell you.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction sorry I definitely explained it badly due to the way the other guy was messaging and me copying it
No I meant more in the sense of "yeah I miss the main character too" and I fully understand why Yukari is acting this way, as opposed to FES where the writing and voice direction kinda fall flat-
I'm still not buying the dlc, literally because it's £30 and it will be knocked down eventually, but I'm glad they improved upon one of the more messy aspects of the original story
Persona fans man, they say that Yukari’s personality in the original was awful and now they’re being contrarian and saying that the new Yukari is bad… this is some soul caliber announcer level bullshit
@@megamuffin1940 Dumb statement assuming I'm a person from back then, don't lump me in with that god awful era.
I know we have a lot of controversial takes here: So I’m going to give my own as I compare FES and the Answer and go from there.
2:41 First, this dialogue in Reload was added here. And I actually think that this an excellent point to make in regards to Yukari’s decision to go back to the past.
Her father’s death may have been hard, but without it, she never would have met S.E.E.S. (let alone Makoto). The past makes us who we are.
While Makoto’s death may have happened recently, his death is what gave everyone a chance to live for the future. Any attempts to botch that means that everything he worked for was for nothing.
In comparison, FES was more about how he would handle the situation if he got to go back to save Shinjiro and Miki. And while it’s a good moment, it actually does lead credence to why Yukari deems him (and Ken) as selfish (not she’s one to talk).
3:26 Secondly, FES mentions Chidori’s death while this version doesn’t. While IMO, this is for the best to not exactly give an explicit idea on Chidori’s survival or not is canon, I actually do wish that line was kept.
Mainly because I see this as Junpei trying to understand where Yukari is coming from while also meditating the idea with Akihiko’s words in mind. And again, he is right about redoing the Nyx fight is way too risky even if he had agreed with Yukari.
3:53 I agree that without the moment where Yukari lashes out at Akihiko and Ken, the fallout here does loses its impact.
4:07 This is the moment where I wish they had kept the NG+ ending from Portable. Or had changed this dialogue to “why did YOU have to be the first person to be there in his final moments?” So this dialogue is inconsistent with the ending being Aigis being the first person to say goodbye to Makoto.
6:11 As much as many may not agree with this, I actually like this dialogue choice with Yukari.
Because it later helps Aigis to find her resolve to be the leader and see her decision through.
Actually, Junpei mentionning Chidori’s death in the original was a mistranslation of the original Japanese script. In the original he just vaguely uses "aitsu" which is a somewhat way of addressing someone like "that person". JP pronouns usually aren't gender specific, so you usually use context to understand who they're talking about, but in this context, it is worth noting that the conversation subject is about the protagonist. Aitsu is also, again, a kind of rough way of addressing someone, Junpei wouldn't really use on someone like Chidori. The localization mistakenly thought that Junpei was talking about her instead of Makoto, which is not the case. This would make general hints at Chidori being alive in P4AU and P3D as not as much of a retcon.
Alrighty then, i guess it's about time to get traumatized again this time in 4k
man the yukari’s breakdown doesn’t feel the same :/ it was one of the moments i was looking forward to the most
Overall P3R Episode Aigis still did a lot of justice in remaking The Answer the best it could be. With theurgies, fights became more exciting and dangerous here! I wouldn't complain over a few changes. It does paint a clear picture of how things have changed since the original release though, could be used as reference.
Imo the yukari breakdown should have just happened the way it was in fes
Yeah, really should have. Like Yukari is a teenager who already lost her dad, now loses her love. Even at the best of times, Teenagers arent always the most likeable or mature people. Add grief into the mix, and the irony of Yukari being like her mom, and her reaction made sense.
Yukari and Junpei in FES were phenomnal characters, some of my favorites in any RPG ever, because the writers allowed them to make mistakes and have depth. They wheren't always the most likeable people, which made sense given their backstories. Feels like something was lost in Reload.
Mitsuru's new dialogue makes it way better imo.
What, yukari should try to grab the key from Aigis. What a let down :(
I literally think all day what would it look like in reload since p3r released...
I think the problem here is that the way yukari's breakdown went (if you can call it a breakdown) seems like she didn't actually cared or didn't actually liked him like what the original projected. Thats why people got disappointed because she's supposed to wanna save Makoto against all odds because she's head over heels for him
@@theadmiral4157 Right. Here, it just seems like Makoto moved overseas and is now asking Yukari for some space. It seems like she's crying over a brief inconvenience rather than the love of her life being gone forever.
How? Did we play the same game?
Though Yukari was being selfish it was muuuch easier to understand than Junpei's freak out about Nyx. The protagnists death happened so suddenly and it was'nt even a full month since it happened. I like that Atlus makes sure to keep pointing out how unhealthy bottling this stuff up is. Alot of people need to understand that these days.
Toaster-skin duo vs their own party
They changed Yukari's breakdown so drastically, Im so disappointed. They also remove any mention or implication of her holding Makoto's "cold hand" or her anger about herself. Aki as an opposing voice is also just too passive here. Ive defended Reload so far but this actually upset me
Yeah... I don't know how to feel... it's like I'm grieving over how Yukari grieves here, I miss the og :(
though Yukari's dialogue after the colloseum battle are toned down, her dialogue before the colloseum part (where all of them discussing their decision) is better, imo. i can feel her emotion here, than the FES version.
each version has their own strength and weakness.. so yeah
I came here solely to see the Yukari breakdown scene and left disappointed lmao
You're not the only one. 31 people came to see it and got disappointed too
My god the voice acting is top tier.
I wonder, if Akihiko dies can Ken revive him with his theurgy? I know the priority is Ken bc he has diarahan but just asking
Oh shit. If Ken could do that, then he just restarted the battle.
Amidst the outcry of the censoring of specific scenes, i am just glad this DLC is a thing at all.😊😅
Ikr. I'm a new Persona fan (P3R is my first Persona game). While the game is amazing, the community is SO GODAMN AWFUL. I often play a portion of the game, enjoy it a lot, and when I go to videos like this one, most of the comments are just like "oh the original is better", "they toned this down so much", "they made it worse". That is so annoying. Seems like a good chunk of the community just can't enjoy the game because they compare it way too much about the og. I just wish they would stfu and let other people enjoy this game, because I couldn't give less of a shit about the stupid og x remake comparisons
33:03 hmmm it seems koromaru can learn inferno if he's only left in this Reload version.
51:27 Bruh, this is what im actually looking forward to in the remake. The drama, the intensity and all those emotions yukari had in the original are all lost. The part of the dlc that made it good is just gone, atlus butchered this scene ngl 😢
At least they fixed Jumpei's argument here
He is not scared of failure
Is... What if they end up fucking up so hard they actually fuck it harder than what it could have been if they failed at first...
They did tought of Jumpei as the one of the "I WANT IT, BUT ITS NOT ONLY OF ME", like, he thinks how his actions will affects others, so he is able to take the L not for himself or because he accepted the circumstances, but because he hates the posible guilt he'll feel of what will happen to others if he fails
They also fixed that in the original, they knew that taking action would risk Aigis' life, but except for Junpei they don't give a f*ck. In the Reload version, they don't know, and Aigis doesn't tell them because she knows that they would hesitate and she punishes herself, believing she doesn't deserve their concern. It actually feels like they now care about each other, yet they still fight each other because they don't have the choice.
The more i rewatch this version the more i like it. And i really like intro scene when they decide what to do much more then fes one. VA is just too good.
Heartful Cry 😭 my beloved!!!
38:38
can someone explain to me why yukari and mitsuru were SPAMMING me with megadolaon the ENTIRE FIGHT
If you use either a Magic or Attack mirror, that happens. Can't cheese it that easily.
The most heart wrenching story arc in Persona
20:25 bro was literally frozen from experiencing plot armor first-hand
Akihiko almost fucked you up 😂
If the AI went for Ziodyne he was DEAD
Not this song... Im gonna cry actually
I never played FES so this DLC was my first time doing these fights and yet somehow I only got to see Akihiko and Amada's theurgies as nobody else used theirs
I was surprised by this considering how hard I struggled with the first fight but I should consider myself lucky that mitsuru and Yukari didn't use theirs, I already got megidolaon'ed twice in one turn by them (which killed me from full health) so I don't think I could have handled getting destroyed by the theurgy aswell
Is there a way to get clips of everyone using Megidolaon? I'm not sure if everyone can but I could only trigger Akihiko
I’m just saying this:
If taking Aigis’s key didn’t kill her, AND if they were able to actually beat Nyx in the runback without the MC having to sacrifice himself, Yukari and Mitsuru would be 100% right. I don’t give a FFFUCK about sum “honoring his sacrifice” or that shit if bro doesn’t need to kill himself to save the planet we not letting him kill himself. If we stop the cataclysm and he still wanna shoot himself in the face then that’s his business but there is no actual reason to just leave him for dead in this scenario.
But since it isn’t like that Junpei was the only one thinking clearly about the fact that Nyx was basically unbeatable for all of them and they couldn’t change the past even if they all wanted to.
That's the whole point they have no chance against Nyx and Junpei simply used logic.
He wants to live.
The answer imo is just a mess in general for writing.
Knowing about Labrys this really feels like a lot of foreshadowing
This has gotta be the hardest set of fights in the game
Also I can't help but keep reminding of a certain gacha game whenever Siegfried and that new Theurgy attack (Shadow Hound) is used.
this comment section is very goomba fallacy core, both yukari breakdown scene versions are good
How far in do I have to play to fight Joker?
I think I heard you need to finish a certain amount of Elizabeth's requests, if not all of them.
@@milesstorzillo7650 Yeah I aint doing allat imma see if I can borrow someone's save file.
Heartful cry YESSIR
Please tell me the title of this beautiful battle theme
Heartful Cry
Whoa... some scenes got toned down pretty crazy, despite those scenes in OG The Answer much better. -_-
Literally, this is as good as being in the main game instead of being dlc. The voice acting, the rising action, the cutscenes. Man, everything is so underwhelming.
🤡
Yeeeaahh...this is what I feared even before base Reload came out... things should be allowed to be a product of their time. Remaking amd tweaking everything just to cater to the softer modern day standards is going to waterdown what made the original so special in the first place, both BubbleTea and Nam's Compendium were right.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction i think that's the wrong angle because they made changes that were MASSIVELY requested at the time of the originals- the modern day standards for Persona stories are more mature than they were back then, which is why everyone is disappointed now that the intensity is scaled back. really strange how it happens, but this is undeniably less of a "gamers these days" issue and more of a "gamers those days" one. never forget how the main take aways from The Answer back when it came out were "Yukari is hysterical and the worst character in the game" and "Holy shit, they're gonna revive the MC someday!"
@@erika-yi3gx *sigh* You see I'm not much of a gamer, I simply play what I enjoy so this is my first experience with a remake. I was fine with the base game but this expansion has really had me mulling over how I really feel about the whole P3R experience.
I think the biggest thing that gets me about Reload is how people insist on calling it a Persona 5 clone when it doesn't even introduce enough cool things that Persona 5 did. Sure it was piss easy but the cool features gave it it's own identity.
There were a few people who didn't think P3 didn't need a remake while I thought a remake would be great because I thought they would go all out and introduce so many cool new things but no, it kinda just feels like shiny P3 but oversimplified to hfil and back.
It really makes me value the things I enjoy that have very clear rough edges, made with a very clear intention that is it's very own uninfluenced by outside voices, like a kid drawing picture that has harsh edges and visible eraser marks. I honestly don't think I would feel nearly as disappointed if P3 FES was more widely available like Golden, Royal, and Portable so that people could easily pick and choose their experiences so they'd see the value that us old players saw...
Please tell me they kept the unique game overs for when you lose to the other party members.
yes! Will be uploading a vid of that tomorrow
Damn , these guys arent playing, i lost 6 times against akihiko in merciless cause his theurgy, and 3 times against koro and junpei, mitsuru and yukari they wanted to put an end to aigis, metis, and me existence nuking the shit out of me
Tbh i loved the original anwser and how Yukari acted felt real but persona fans prefer date underage girl in a video game and dont want them to act like people with flaws
Aren't "don't" should play in this fight? It would be perfect
No!
"Don't" is the new battle theme
"Heartful Cry" is the most iconic song from FES and from these fights, change it would make everyone upset and plain weird
Wow, Theurgy really trivialized that last battle, huh. Maybe they're a tad too strong.
I need to know why do many hate The Answer? I finished it and can say it was fine. Fighting each other than literally being “ah cool” after was meh though ngl
Nooo koro chan 😢
Extremely hard
are u sleeping well faz ?
And they fucked up Yukari's moment.
dude i had to lower the difficulty down to easy from hard because what kind of bs are these mfs pulling off
Why do I feel Metis has the best Voice Actor?
Too bad her character sucks..
@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772
I like her character.
what difficulty is this?! i did 0 damage with junpei and holy fuck this mfs just one shot aiges if you didn't finish him in 1 shot below 20%
this was on peaceful for video purposes ( so I can defeat them fast )
@@FazPersona i see. Imma take a rest. This fight and yukari next is unbearable below 90+ 💀
you should’ve seen me life LOL. I struggled so much
Regardless of my complaints with Reload, No matter how or what they do with Yukari's breakdown.
This fanbase is still gonna Bitch and Complain.
Right? I remember how they hated the original Answer, Yukari's breakdown and all, and NOW it's a beacon of writing? Give me a break.
@maxjpz The same people complaining 17 years ago are not the same people praising it today, why are we being obtuse?
@@maxjpz Different people, and people also may have changed their minds.
Take spiderman 3 for example, they hated spiderman dance.
Then 10 years later, they praised it and joker starred joaquin's dance also get inspired by it.
@@maxjpz The thing is that I feel like they made her more reasonable and nicer moments more jarring to her more aggressive and grief-stricken moments she had in this DLC, like at 51:23. I wouldn't mind it much if they rewrite the transition to her grief moment in a more natural way. I do like details such as Akihiko and others not shooting her down with logic and being slightly more open-minded, Mitsuru's motivation of helping Yukari, etc.
Reload has great graphics and more fluid gameplay, but lost a lot of impact to make more likeable characters instead of more human characters. They butchered one of the strongest moments of Yukari. Also, their reasoning behind the colliseum fights was more empty with that "honor". Funny enough, but FES did a lot better the writing of episode aigis.
One thing I really liked about the Orginal is that unlike a lot of games, it wasnt afraid to make the main party members very flawed and layered(see Junpei's Jealousy, Yukari's bitchiness, Mitsuru keeping secrets,etc). Shame that Reload thought to "fix" something that wasnt broken.
@@theimpersonator7086 yukari's bitchiness was an aspect added by the initial translation team...
@@speedm222Screw what the people say but those translators cooked.
@@theimpersonator7086 Yukari wasnt Bitchy in the Japanese dub. She was defensive at times and didn't have any problem in being confrontational, but always there was a reason behind her behaviour, even in the answer. Yukari has instrumental grief, thoughbubble did an amazing job on explaining how complex is the trauma of Yukari after losing her father.
@@narasnek ThoughtBubble did an amazing job breaking down Yukari's nature and her grief but Reload has me talking like Nam's Compendium. I've been trying to defend Reload a lot but this was a genuine disappointment that I just cannot overlook.
I've always loved flawed characters that aren't afraid to be unlikable. Just like Obito Uchiha from Naruto or Nadeko Sengoku from Monogatari, Yukari's raw emotion is what made The Answer so impactful for me, they weren't afraid to show how people are when they are at their lowest.
Those kind of emotions ARE hard to look at. People hate them and want to live in fantasy land where it's all peaches and cream or whatever flaw that is there they want it covered in pretty rose petals but those emotions are very much real, ESPECIALLY for Yukari who is a girl absolutely driven by emotion.
Reload really missed the point of that and decided to listen to the complainers instead of trusting those of us who understand and letting the narrative have it's own voice.
A NEW GENERATION IS GOING TO HATE YUKARI WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Hate what? Her breakdown was really toned down in this one. Didn't try to take the key or anything
shut up and go out to take some grass
@@moodchange2705 From what I heard, Yukari became unpopular after people played the answer because she wanted to go back to the past.
I can't say it will happen again but there is a chance that the new generation will hate Yukari too.
(btw I don't hate Yukari)
@justinmoreno390 I'm aware, I've been part of the fandom for years. But the way they toned it down will probably help people accept her breakdown more. But this is one of the changes that I hate
@@justinmoreno390 Also I don’t want to sound PC, But I’m pretty sure the widespread Yukari hate back in the day was partially contributed to misogyny, The sentiment of that time was basically how dare that female character “talk out of line” instead of being a simplistic waifu material. There’s definitely some older game forums out where far worse and disgusting things were said about her based on gender.
Of course that hate sentiment died out a lot over the following years, with p3 gaining cult following and underrated appreciation for characters by more and newer fans, while P4 and 5 took the spotlight.
Nowadays, I’m very sure any of those old Yukari haters left will be deservingly called out by People with common sense.
I kept seeing people say Yukari's breakdown wasn’t as good as the original because she wasn’t trying to steal the key. But her reaction was just as good if not better at the beginning. How she begged for Makoto back, how she couldn't handle trying to move on without him. Even how Mitsuru comforted and showed how much she cared for her. All of that was heart-wrenching, as it should be for someone who lost someone so dear to them 😢
Mitsuru's perspective on it was excellent but everything else you said og Yukari's dialogue kinda made it more palpable and impactful imo.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Sure, the way Atlus handled Yukari’s determination to bring back Makoto was handled much better in Reload, when it came down to Yukari’s breakdown after the fight, I wish they could’ve kept it pretty much similar to the original FES. Yukari’s a teenager going through with losing her father and now losing the person she loved the most so you can’t expect ANYONE to keep a composed face after all of that. The small detail of Yukari desperately trying to grab the true key from Aigis should’ve been kept in because it would show new players just how far Yukari would be willing to go just to see Makoto one last time even if they had to fight Nyx again in order to see him alive again.
Bruh Speedrun the dlc
I honestly think the OG answer is much better than this one in so many levels. I couldn't even feel the humanization of Aigis because everything got baby-fied to an incomprehensible level.
Edit: What the hell did they do with Yukari's breakdown
Right? I was so excited when I bought this DLC...
Thank god i never got this remake, for me it doesnt make justice to the OG game . The Yukari breakdown was such an important moment in her growth as a person...losing someone so important for her , and besides , she is still young and inmature, wtf Atlus?
boohoo ig idk
Lots of offended Yukari fan boys here. If you like the original more thats cool but saying this scene has no emotional weight is false.
@@halo16918 Nobody said it has no weight it is lessened dramatically by one little moment of Yukari not trying to take the key. Like imagine watching Vegeta vs Frieza in Dragon Ball Z and they decide to skip the part where he shot down that giant last ditch effort blast at Frieza before he breaks down in tears losing all hope. The impact of his torture would be raptured from then on and it would feel ordinary af like Reloads scene.
Am I the only one who prefers Yukari's reaction to be more composed ? The FES version just irritated me
@@lucasbenfante That's cool and all for you but me personally my favorite characters in Anime, games, books, anything are the ones that aren't afraid to show their ugly sides especially when that ugly side leads to great development.
I loved how Yukari's selfishness was displayed in the og because she was grieving and in a position she didn't want to be drug back to, for a girl who is so driven by emotion it made sense for her character.
People's true nature when they are at their lowest is a disturbing sight. It is not easy to look at and most of us just want to live in fantasy land just to get away from that but, that very emotion is what made a scene like this in og so impactful. Now it's just...very minimal...
No, you aren't. I too greatly prefer this version.
Tbf the reason I hate it is BECAUSE she's more composed. It makes no sense for her character
The answer they shouldn't have remade because it destroys most of the story and certain characters complete development.
Furthermore with this and arena it adds huge plot holes.
But whatever sega and atlus needs that money. I think we Would have sll preferred a brand spanking new Persona than p3 remade imo
Heck P2 remake would have been interesting, however granted they would have neutered lot on there because it has lot of darkness on there.
Wow... How disappointing. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. Glad I didn't buy this crap of a flop 'remake'.
@@Kerem-mf9oy Look how they massacred my gurl...
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Ugh ikr?? Honestly, I didn't feel nothing from this demake. I just went to watch the original scenes and hoo boy the emotions especially Yukari breaking down got me teary-eyed as always.
Honestly this entire game didn't need a remake, and I would have prefered a new persona game.
Also the answer is so bad it's literally leaves plot holes in Persona arena that makes me go WHY just leave it at 3