I have heard that's an excellent replacement! I think I had been scared of learning the game so scaled down, but since I've learned it with Paladin's Oath, I might get it
Is actually don’t think Mage Knight is too bad for table space… because most of the space needed is for cards and tokens- which you could actually move around/position on separate tables and chairs quite easily. The modular board can get quite big but other than that nothing else needs to take a big block of space besides the fame track which isn’t a big board. I think MK is doable for most tables.. I wouldn’t give up on that one EDIT: I just watched another video and it seems you’ve tried Gaia Project at some point? So for example I would say Mage Knight takes the same or even less table space
I haven't tried Gaia Project yet. The closest I've come is to play Terra Mystica as an app, but I never understood what that purple resource was doing, bouncing around between the 3 zones. I will definitely table Gaia Project at some point. I've just been going through a spell where I'm playing games I already know
@@JAlanRykerGames ah sorry I misunderstood you other video and thought you had tried it already! I’ll try another one comparison as a reference point… I think I saw Eldritch Horror behind you on another video; I wouldn’t say Mage Knight takes more space than that.. possibly less. But anyway- good call in playing and enjoying the games you have! Something I am trying to do more of despite the lure of so many games I want to try
Thank you for the offer! I am not into TTS, but I have been convinced by the other viewer comments, so I'm jumping in on the next campaign! Somehow I missed that the board is modular
When I only had a tiny coffee table in my flat, I bought a cheap Ikea table top, stuck little felt pads on the bottom and placed it on the coffee table or a keyboard stand to have a play area. When not in use, it would stand by the wall and take up practically no space at all. Now that I have a bigger, extendable table, I still use it to have a flat, one-part surface to play Flick 'Em Up on. Maybe something like this could help?
Good video. I use a folding lifetime pasting/camping kind of table. folds in half and fits things like mage knight, iss vanguard, even euthia! 😮 may be an option for you, as its takes up hardly no space when folded down.
my board game collection took off once i built my own game table. I'm not a woodworker. it was pretty straight forward, minimal tools. made it recessed and with covers. anyway, i can squeeze cloudspire on it, i can also cover it up and forget what a nightmare remembering the rules for cloudspire. honestly, the best thing i did for player comfort and enjoyment was build that table.
My problem is that a larger table would have to go in the basement, and I want to be up with my family in the evenings. I can leave games set up on my flat table, though if they hang over teh edge, that's the only time I get worried
@@JAlanRykerGames my game table is also my dining table. put the covers on and hope no-one spills their drinks. but a tablecloth helps with that. A bonus of having a recessed table is it keeps all the cubes and tokens on the table.
I had a small table, but then I wanted to get Mage Knight so bad that I bought a 180x80cm folding table that can easily be stowed in a closet. I never do that, though. I leave my huge games set up, always. Mage Knight, Gaia Project, Cthulhu Death May Die, Nemo's War, John Company - to name a few. And more recently, my table became a host to a fungal parasite that is Dungeon Degenerates, which devoured my table with its sprawling (and funny, and epic, and insane) campaign for almost 9 days now. DD might be the best adventure game ever. What a wonderful procedurally driven story generator, it's a true gem (in the rough, also sticky & stinky). Highly recommend both a big fucking huge folding table and Dungeon Degenerates.
I have a very hard time setting up a game, playing it once and putting it away. They almost always stay out for a week. I have dungeon degenerates and really want to play it, but I've been going through a stretch where it's hard to get myself to learn new games
@@JAlanRykerGames Oh, you're in for a treat then, awesome! Would love to hear your thoughts on it when you'll eventually get to play it. It's a pretty simple game overall, but with tons of small rules and keywords that you have to constantly reference, so it's that kind of game. Totally worth diving into, though. It is currently ranked 1547 on BGG, an atrocious crime against board games, it should be in top-10 at least, in the perpetual the hall of fame.
@@slimyweasel ha you're really selling it! I am excited to try it. Of the two things you mentioned, keywords don't bother me, but small rules... Well, I've come to accept that I'll just forget them
Well, you didn't even mention The Isofarian Guard. That was a beast but I used a scan of a smaller map. It worked fine but the game wasn't for me. As for Fallen Land 2, I could not resist. So I scanned in the board, and effectively it is 3x2 full A4 size segments. So you could make an atlas out of it (you know, like sleeping gods atlas), but you would need to track the various mission points across pages. It could work with a little TLC Also FL2 features a particular solo variant, the no-map variant. So you could play that to death. Especially given the 20-ish factions. Finally, in FL1 bgg file section is a bunch of tuck boxes that if you print on 108% resize they do fit the FL2 box (center row, across). Obviously I made those (2x) and it helps. But I'm not sure if I would play it over Salvation Road which does fit on my table and has an awesome campaign I designed for it.
Think both size and set have prevented getting frostpunk to my table. Haven't even attempted with the minis, just cardboard. Uprising so worth it. I have with plays organized and dont need trackers on sides. Use tile for death counts and if you can even use score pad for keep track. Made my own game table initially used for playing star wars armada, so space not usually hiccup
someone recommended putting a false top on my table, and for uprising, I think I might actually do it. Is the board modular or are you talking about boards not included in the main 45" board that go around it??
Actual hex board is only 22x22. On of the 11in side board is just for grave yards and horde/legion decks (I hardly ever use unless playing with other people). The other 11 inch side doesn't have to be set to out once you know flow of game and create the draw deck etc without
Great list! Numerous games can be table hogs, yet none of them come close to my #1 - Aeon Trespass Odyssey. It's so big that you need two large tables just to play (and ideally, leave it set up inbetween plays). So much so that I haven't bitten the bullet on that one, although I'd love to play it.
Thanks! Oh man, so I made a very silly purchase before I came to my strict table-size rule, of two of the four huge boxes of Kingdom's Forlorn. And then I saw that ATO takes 2 full size tables... My hope is that the dungeon generated in the noncombat phase won't be encountered again so it should be broken down, unlike the ATO map. But, that's a problem for me 2 or 3 years from now!
My table at home is 2 1/2ft x 3ft so I definitely understand passing on games too large. Just getting aeons end on there is a bit of table hog. I own massive darkness 2 and only played it a few times because after setting up all the cards and stuff it barely fits. I need to 3D print a stand up card organizer that would save a ton of space 🫠.
Oh yeah, Aeon's end takes up a surprising amount of space, I agree! Basically everything just fits on my card table playing two handed. The card stands do help a lot with certain games. And they use about 5 cents worth of plastic!
Ugh, nice list. It's not the space that bothers me in such games as much as price 😅 I should say, though, that 33" table is adequate enough for Mage Knight. Its largest part is the map but after couple of games you can unfold it in the most efficient way your table allows. You can ditch fame board (and have it nearby or against the wall - if your table is against a wall 🤣- as reference), day/night board, place cards on top of artworks etc.
I played Arkham Horror 2edition on very small board. The gamebord itself I used as a almost board and had portable board on the side for the rest. So. Mage knight tiles on one board and rest on removable portable board 😊
definitely there's a distinction to be made between games that have a board that holds a lot of things (decks of cards and such), like Witcher: old world, and ones where that's all expected to go around the board. But Mage Knight tracker boards are a full table by themselves, if you've ever seen it laid out
@@JAlanRykerGames I think i played Mage Knight same way. It is modular bord but if you have whole table just for it it works. Reserv table is for cards and everything else. Anyway. I mentionrd that because two tables solution probably can get you more games on table(s)
i use music stands for rule books. Not those crappy thin student music stands. get a good solid one. they are cheap. and they keep the rule books easy to read and see
I am fearful now as I know you picked up Space Hulk and I too primarily use a 33” card table as my gaming table. Unfortunately, many of the modular maps for these missions will not fit on this table. I have procured a folding 3’x6’ table that I can set up in my garage or other areas when I encounter games that require more space. I also plan to replace the top of my 33” table with a piece of plywood to stretch it to 48”width and 44” depth (my space restrictions).
That's the thing with games workshop larger scale and modular maps... But I'm thinking about doing a false tabletop. The card table behind me in videos, I can put a false top on it for individual play sessions (because it blocks the entry into the room it couldn't stay up) but I think space hulk would be good for that
So far I’ve only played Mage Knight on TTS, and I’ve tinkered with Paladin’s Oath. But I have this theory that it doesn’t need as much space as people think, and the reason is because you do so little backtracking in the game. So you could probably remove tiles Langoliers-style once you’ve moved past them, and only keep a handful of tiles on the table at any given time.
ahhh that's a good point about not needing to go backwards. that is the case in paladin's oath, only going back into known territory to cross into the next unknown tile occasionally. "Langoliers-style" that's a deep cut right there
ha yeah, I have a few Uwe Rosenberg games that regularly appear on my list, and Feast for Odin almost appeared on this one, because I've avoided it due to size
haha I think I might take the advice above to use a false tabletop. I can feel my blood pressure rising must thinking about it, but Uprising is the one game that could make me try it
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Try Mint Knight in place of Mage Knight. A scaled down version that will fit your table
I have heard that's an excellent replacement! I think I had been scared of learning the game so scaled down, but since I've learned it with Paladin's Oath, I might get it
Is actually don’t think Mage Knight is too bad for table space… because most of the space needed is for cards and tokens- which you could actually move around/position on separate tables and chairs quite easily. The modular board can get quite big but other than that nothing else needs to take a big block of space besides the fame track which isn’t a big board. I think MK is doable for most tables.. I wouldn’t give up on that one
EDIT: I just watched another video and it seems you’ve tried Gaia Project at some point? So for example I would say Mage Knight takes the same or even less table space
I haven't tried Gaia Project yet. The closest I've come is to play Terra Mystica as an app, but I never understood what that purple resource was doing, bouncing around between the 3 zones.
I will definitely table Gaia Project at some point. I've just been going through a spell where I'm playing games I already know
@@JAlanRykerGames ah sorry I misunderstood you other video and thought you had tried it already! I’ll try another one comparison as a reference point… I think I saw Eldritch Horror behind you on another video; I wouldn’t say Mage Knight takes more space than that.. possibly less.
But anyway- good call in playing and enjoying the games you have! Something I am trying to do more of despite the lure of so many games I want to try
Hey! Thank you so much for all the nice things you said about Uprising! If you want we can play a game on Table Top Simulator!
Thank you for the offer! I am not into TTS, but I have been convinced by the other viewer comments, so I'm jumping in on the next campaign! Somehow I missed that the board is modular
When I only had a tiny coffee table in my flat, I bought a cheap Ikea table top, stuck little felt pads on the bottom and placed it on the coffee table or a keyboard stand to have a play area. When not in use, it would stand by the wall and take up practically no space at all. Now that I have a bigger, extendable table, I still use it to have a flat, one-part surface to play Flick 'Em Up on. Maybe something like this could help?
That's a really good idea. I'd have to play the game in one sitting because neither table is in a space where it could stay up, but still...
Good video. I use a folding lifetime pasting/camping kind of table. folds in half and fits things like mage knight, iss vanguard, even euthia! 😮 may be an option for you, as its takes up hardly no space when folded down.
ahhh I hadn't looked into that type. I'll do that, thanks!
my board game collection took off once i built my own game table. I'm not a woodworker. it was pretty straight forward, minimal tools. made it recessed and with covers. anyway, i can squeeze cloudspire on it, i can also cover it up and forget what a nightmare remembering the rules for cloudspire.
honestly, the best thing i did for player comfort and enjoyment was build that table.
My problem is that a larger table would have to go in the basement, and I want to be up with my family in the evenings. I can leave games set up on my flat table, though if they hang over teh edge, that's the only time I get worried
@@JAlanRykerGames my game table is also my dining table. put the covers on and hope no-one spills their drinks. but a tablecloth helps with that. A bonus of having a recessed table is it keeps all the cubes and tokens on the table.
@@warpo007 that's the way to do it. our table is our nicest piece of furniture, so I couldn't get away with it, but that would work really well
@@JAlanRykerGames Just be glad you don't have cats...
@@buddhawasright yeah, I couldn't handle that
I had a small table, but then I wanted to get Mage Knight so bad that I bought a 180x80cm folding table that can easily be stowed in a closet.
I never do that, though. I leave my huge games set up, always. Mage Knight, Gaia Project, Cthulhu Death May Die, Nemo's War, John Company - to name a few. And more recently, my table became a host to a fungal parasite that is Dungeon Degenerates, which devoured my table with its sprawling (and funny, and epic, and insane) campaign for almost 9 days now. DD might be the best adventure game ever. What a wonderful procedurally driven story generator, it's a true gem (in the rough, also sticky & stinky).
Highly recommend both a big fucking huge folding table and Dungeon Degenerates.
I have a very hard time setting up a game, playing it once and putting it away. They almost always stay out for a week. I have dungeon degenerates and really want to play it, but I've been going through a stretch where it's hard to get myself to learn new games
@@JAlanRykerGames Oh, you're in for a treat then, awesome! Would love to hear your thoughts on it when you'll eventually get to play it. It's a pretty simple game overall, but with tons of small rules and keywords that you have to constantly reference, so it's that kind of game. Totally worth diving into, though. It is currently ranked 1547 on BGG, an atrocious crime against board games, it should be in top-10 at least, in the perpetual the hall of fame.
@@slimyweasel ha you're really selling it! I am excited to try it. Of the two things you mentioned, keywords don't bother me, but small rules... Well, I've come to accept that I'll just forget them
Well, you didn't even mention The Isofarian Guard. That was a beast but I used a scan of a smaller map. It worked fine but the game wasn't for me.
As for Fallen Land 2, I could not resist.
So I scanned in the board, and effectively it is 3x2 full A4 size segments. So you could make an atlas out of it (you know, like sleeping gods atlas), but you would need to track the various mission points across pages. It could work with a little TLC
Also FL2 features a particular solo variant, the no-map variant. So you could play that to death. Especially given the 20-ish factions.
Finally, in FL1 bgg file section is a bunch of tuck boxes that if you print on 108% resize they do fit the FL2 box (center row, across). Obviously I made those (2x) and it helps.
But I'm not sure if I would play it over Salvation Road which does fit on my table and has an awesome campaign I designed for it.
Good information. This no-map solo variant, is it official? In the box or an expansion? I would actually buy just to play it that way
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@@JAlanRykerGames somehow my answer gets deleted. See my other remark...
Think both size and set have prevented getting frostpunk to my table. Haven't even attempted with the minis, just cardboard.
Uprising so worth it. I have with plays organized and dont need trackers on sides. Use tile for death counts and if you can even use score pad for keep track. Made my own game table initially used for playing star wars armada, so space not usually hiccup
someone recommended putting a false top on my table, and for uprising, I think I might actually do it. Is the board modular or are you talking about boards not included in the main 45" board that go around it??
Actual hex board is only 22x22. On of the 11in side board is just for grave yards and horde/legion decks (I hardly ever use unless playing with other people). The other 11 inch side doesn't have to be set to out once you know flow of game and create the draw deck etc without
@@bryonsturm3753ahhh see I didn't know those were side boards. that's good to know!
Great list! Numerous games can be table hogs, yet none of them come close to my #1 - Aeon Trespass Odyssey. It's so big that you need two large tables just to play (and ideally, leave it set up inbetween plays). So much so that I haven't bitten the bullet on that one, although I'd love to play it.
Thanks!
Oh man, so I made a very silly purchase before I came to my strict table-size rule, of two of the four huge boxes of Kingdom's Forlorn. And then I saw that ATO takes 2 full size tables...
My hope is that the dungeon generated in the noncombat phase won't be encountered again so it should be broken down, unlike the ATO map.
But, that's a problem for me 2 or 3 years from now!
@@JAlanRykerGamesYou're right, all in good time!
My table at home is 2 1/2ft x 3ft so I definitely understand passing on games too large. Just getting aeons end on there is a bit of table hog. I own massive darkness 2 and only played it a few times because after setting up all the cards and stuff it barely fits. I need to 3D print a stand up card organizer that would save a ton of space 🫠.
Oh yeah, Aeon's end takes up a surprising amount of space, I agree! Basically everything just fits on my card table playing two handed.
The card stands do help a lot with certain games. And they use about 5 cents worth of plastic!
Ugh, nice list. It's not the space that bothers me in such games as much as price 😅 I should say, though, that 33" table is adequate enough for Mage Knight. Its largest part is the map but after couple of games you can unfold it in the most efficient way your table allows. You can ditch fame board (and have it nearby or against the wall - if your table is against a wall 🤣- as reference), day/night board, place cards on top of artworks etc.
Yeah, the size limit definitely saves me some money. I think sometimes they make giant boards to help justify the price
I played Arkham Horror 2edition on very small board. The gamebord itself I used as a almost board and had portable board on the side for the rest. So. Mage knight tiles on one board and rest on removable portable board 😊
definitely there's a distinction to be made between games that have a board that holds a lot of things (decks of cards and such), like Witcher: old world, and ones where that's all expected to go around the board. But Mage Knight tracker boards are a full table by themselves, if you've ever seen it laid out
but, I have seen that some people come up with smaller alternatives for some of the smaller tracking boards, so you might just be right!
@@JAlanRykerGames
I think i played Mage Knight same way. It is modular bord but if you have whole table just for it it works. Reserv table is for cards and everything else. Anyway. I mentionrd that because two tables solution probably can get you more games on table(s)
i use music stands for rule books. Not those crappy thin student music stands. get a good solid one. they are cheap. and they keep the rule books easy to read and see
that's a really good idea
I am fearful now as I know you picked up Space Hulk and I too primarily use a 33” card table as my gaming table. Unfortunately, many of the modular maps for these missions will not fit on this table. I have procured a folding 3’x6’ table that I can set up in my garage or other areas when I encounter games that require more space. I also plan to replace the top of my 33” table with a piece of plywood to stretch it to 48”width and 44” depth (my space restrictions).
That's the thing with games workshop larger scale and modular maps... But I'm thinking about doing a false tabletop. The card table behind me in videos, I can put a false top on it for individual play sessions (because it blocks the entry into the room it couldn't stay up) but I think space hulk would be good for that
So far I’ve only played Mage Knight on TTS, and I’ve tinkered with Paladin’s Oath. But I have this theory that it doesn’t need as much space as people think, and the reason is because you do so little backtracking in the game. So you could probably remove tiles Langoliers-style once you’ve moved past them, and only keep a handful of tiles on the table at any given time.
ahhh that's a good point about not needing to go backwards. that is the case in paladin's oath, only going back into known territory to cross into the next unknown tile occasionally.
"Langoliers-style" that's a deep cut right there
Thank you for the Paladin's Oath recommendation.
no problem! It's weird how often the difficulty to table and track everything in mage knight comes up, but it took me years to hear about this game
Don’t worry about the time - Just tell your stories.
And check out Mr. President.
thank you, that's very kind.
Wow, from the pics on bgg, that game is huge!
Ha! Yet another reason why I turfed Aeon Trespass Odyssey.😣
requiring two full tables must be close to a new record
wait till you try A Feast For Odin as a travel game..
ha yeah, I have a few Uwe Rosenberg games that regularly appear on my list, and Feast for Odin almost appeared on this one, because I've avoided it due to size
Uprising is worth selling your children and buying a new home.
haha I think I might take the advice above to use a false tabletop. I can feel my blood pressure rising must thinking about it, but Uprising is the one game that could make me try it
im sure a lot of your troubles would be solved if you just embraced the metric system.....
I don't know, because if my 33" table turned into a 33cm table, it'd be even more difficult to fit games ;)