There’s nothing wrong with Tewahedos doing OT practices. They aren’t for salvation, they’re for temporal hygiene and spiritual guidance. You can avoid pork if you want, it’s not a salvific issue though in the new covenant
Kyle is just not good at debating or refuting. He only manages to fool teenagers who have a level 1 or 2 of knowledge in theology. His stuff is easily refutable
There can't ever be unless they have the same theology. It's best that they don't have communion to protect correct theology and not validate false theology.
I don't think you adequately addressed the fact that the one nature cannot be created and uncreated at the same time.. simply just re-stating you believe that the nature is composite doesn't respond to anything. Chalcedonians also agree that the divine Word is composite in the manner of completing, acting, and perfecting the term of the human nature. The thing that you must address is that you believe one and the same thing is simultaneously pure act and an admixture of potency and act - which is absurd. Dyophysites don't have this metaphysical issue because we make a real distinction between that which is pure act and that which is composed.
I think this is a misunderstanding of the composite nature. The composition is of both uncreated and created. It's not a new nature that is a mixture of the two creating something new. But a composition of both the created and uncreated. The incarnation in itself, the unifying of the natures, you may say is something created, but in it is both the created and uncreated. This doesn't have to entail that the uncreated nature became created somehow. That is a misunderstanding of the metaphysics of miaphysitism
Also a good example of the union is like the union of matrimony. Though man and female are distinct they become one flesh after the union. As sacred scripture states
He did adequately address the failed point. It is the very logos of composite natures to maintain contrary qualities within the composite nature which is 1 from 2 natures. In the soul-body composition, 2 natures compose the 1 nature of a man, and yet the natural differences of physicality and aphysicality, materiality and immateriality, etc., remain intact without them existing as 2 natures (until death where the separation occurs). Also, the fact that on the Day of Judgement, many souls which preexist their new bodies will be once-again composed with flesh to reconstitute their hypostasis as now composite of soul and body again. That refutes the false argument that composite natures only result when each part comes into existence simultaneously, since that example shows the contrary.
Severus of Antioch said, “He displays two wills in salvific suffering.” Is this not identical to the teaching of St. Maximus and the 6th Ecumenical Council?
Appeal to authority isn’t necessarily faulty plus you need specialist who have been rigorously trained in history & theology and linguistics to help unmuddy the waters
@@andrewbehery wake up you monophysite try to light the holy fire at Jerusalem and failed. You wait to take it from the eastern orthodox!!! But you dont wake up.
3:29 I feel like this is an improper critique. No one is saying that circumsizing in it of itself is sinful and heretical. The EOTC has more so than other OO churches engaged in this practice which is likely the case given the deep historical connection Ethiopia has had with Jews since the Old Testament. This doesn't even get into the continued veneration of the ark of the covenant. It clear that there is an underlying reverence for the old covenant which is heretical and the OO seem to tolerate it. With regard to the point you made about christology, I think even the most minor practices has impacts on one's entire theology and is a by product of broader theological problems; these practices of the old testament are christological in nature and have heavy implications on the interpretations of Scripture and who Christ is. It's not a matter of some cultural manifestation which is permitted in Orthodoxy: it is a clear intent to observe old testament rites.
If one thing can’t be both created and uncreated, then essentially, Erhan believes that the Word incarnate is either created or uncreated, or the Word incarnate is two separate entities that are united only nominally. Erhan deserves the polemical accusations he gets.
@@marcokite is the Word incarnate created or uncreated? I’ll give you a better question. Is what you partake of in the Eucharist created or uncreated? I await your enlightened answer.
he is in general quite impious and lies about all churches except his own , explicitly about the Holy Roman Catholic Church. May God bless you my (i think ) Coptic brother !
Dyer did the same sophistry to Wagner about the Filioique, asserting that it assumes a Diad instead of a triad. There was a comment on the vid that said Jay Dyad lol.
@@KenoKolmer Kyle kinda reminds me of Alex O’Connor when he was a kid doing TH-cam videos too. Very self-assured, a bit insulting, giving a misleading representation of opposing viewpoints, etc. Hope he has the same turnaround as Alex did into a really great and charitable creator.
I would love to talk to you brother I’m Syriac catholic and I’m really open to my ppl I love St. Cyril he affirmed the Filioque in his interpretation in John mostly and he teaches the papacy or supports it at least. I want to learn from you
I can't watch any of Kyle's videos as they are riddled with clickbait catchphrases and cheap Gen Z clichés. And the use of Nintendo Wii sound bites just makes me want to sell my Wii more now 😅 But good video debunking that acid trip "debunk" video of his. I converted to Coptic Orthodoxy from Roman Catholicism years ago and love videos like yours.
@@Oppositionalegoist81 He's another Ortho Bro that is clout chasing because he found something that works for him and if you don't agree with him he'll use fancy theological words and phrases he doesn't understand to justify his "views".
Deacon, your defense of the OO position is truly commendable and valued. As an Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Christian (OO) myself, I sense a strong obligation to articulate the rationale behind our practice of circumcising our devout followers. ✝Ethiopia's spiritual devotion to the God of Abraham, Yahweh, predates the advent of Christianity by a millennium (one thousand years). *_Rooted in faith in the God of Abraham, Ethiopia embraced and upheld the ancient covenant laws given to Moses in the Old Testament, including physical circumcision and dietary restrictions._* Ethiopia’s belief in the God of Abraham earned us equal favor and merit with Israel, as prophet Amos eloquently expressed it in Amos 9:7: "Are you not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?" ✝Ethiopia then outshined Israel when it embraced Christianity in 34AD - a pivotal moment marked by the conversion of an esteemed Ethiopian eunuch, a custodian of the queen's treasury, who became the first to embrace Christianity under the tutelage of Apostle Philip, as chronicled in Acts 8:26-38. The testimonies of early Church Fathers such as St. Irenaeus (130-202 AD) and St. Eusebius (260-339 AD) further validate this transformative event, aligning harmoniously with the biblical account. (Read St. Irenaeus’s Against Heresies III.12.8 and St. Eusebius’s Ecclesiastical History: Book II). The Ethiopian eunuch, upon returning to his homeland, fervently preached the life-giving presence of our Savior Jesus among humanity and thus this act fulfills the prophecy of King David which states, "Ethiopia shall stretch out her hand to God" (Psalm 67:32). ✝In embracing Christianity, Ethiopia acknowledged the sacrificial system prescribed in the Law of Moses, which required offerings of animals for atonement of sins, was fulfilled by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. While dispensing with many civil and ceremonial laws of the old covenant, Ethiopia retained certain precepts like dietary restrictions and circumcision, considering them integral to our spiritual heritage. *✝The biblical accounts of St. Paul's interactions with Timothy and Titus illuminate varying approaches to the observance of the old covenant within the Christian context.* Acts 16:1-3 states, "Paul also arrived at Derbe and at Lystra… a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer... *_Paul wanted this man to go with him, and he took him and circumcised him..."_* Why did Paul have Timothy get circumcised? Because, Timothy is a Jew Christian who was of the old Covenant, and also because Paul is cognizant of the principle that physical circumcision does not impede the deeper spiritual circumcision of the heart through faith in Christ. *_Hence, Paul deemed physical circumcision acceptable for Christians who used to adhere to the Old Testament laws._* Now watch about Titus --- Galatians 2:1-3 states, "Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also... but not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised." *_Titus, devoid of Jewish lineage and unfamiliar with the practices of the Old Testament, chose not to undergo circumcision_* and in response to Titus's decision, Paul commended him, affirming the validity of his choice. *✝Ethiopia embodies the spirit of Timothy - similar to Timothy, we embraced the ancient covenant laws outlined in the Old Testament of the Bible, accepted Christ as our savior, and upheld select traditions like circumcision and dietary restrictions, which align harmoniously with Christianity. As a reflection of this commitment, we also abstain from consuming pork.* *✝The broader Christian community embody the spirit of Titus - similar to Titus, they’ve the liberty to decline circumcision and dietary restrictions, and consequently, we acknowledge their practice acceptable.*
I don’t have any familiarity with Coptic Kano and my Greek is pretty shallow so I wonder if the use of the word “composite” is the best choice. Composites are always two or more materials but they do not become heterogeneous and can be broken back down to their constituent parts. I wonder if alloy is a better analogy, but I would need to see the theology laid out without using the analogous terms as far as possible. I think it possible the OO and Chalcedonians are actually closer than discussion like this suggests.
I am a man interested in orthodox christianity and find these debates stimulating, but I wonder about there necessity. "They know we are christians by our love for one another". The normal guy, looking for the true church is bewildered by the complexity and ferocity in these debates. Surely no-one can know all there is to know about Jesus's makeup and surely all this is merely opinions and conjecture. I've attended orthodox services Greek and Russian and was impressed with the devotion and sincerity displayed there by the faithful. I'm sure I would be equally impressed by the Coptic Oriental Orthodox. I ask myself, would Jesus really condemn faithful followers for not having the correct understanding if the experts have difficulty finding common ground. It feels to me like I'm listening to the sadducees and pharisees squabbling while people are starving for spiritual nourishment. Lex orandi lex credendi, proper belief leads to proper prayer, but is this the case of the little child attempting to put the sea into his sand castle. Is it not enough that all orthodox adhere to the same Nicean Apostolic Creed?
you say a lot of things were implications in the beginning when he wasn't even making official arguments, he only does that later, his guest making most of them. if anyone seems to be using sophistry, I believe it would be you in the beginning. im not saying Kyle made a perfect video, but his position definitely seems more supported by history, and tbh his video seems less prideful than this one. just my perspective though, I appreciate you taking the time to address other viewpoints.
I swear if I had been present at the Council of Chalcedon I would have spent the entire time just muttering "shut up, shut up, shut up" at varying volumes. All this talk of various -physitisms and "fully God, fully Man". Put it in real terms.i have heard people go on and on and on and it never seems to get beyond word games.
@@sethtrey if you did that, you would probably be arrested, beaten on the spot made an example to in front of the bishops, and sent to the dungeons where you may or may not survive.
10:46 there are at LEAST two wills in every human being. Have you never had two wills? You know what that's like. You want to do something, an also something else? Jesus did that, submitting his wants to His Father at all times. His will was to obey His father. But that's two wills.
May I posit that to be subject to the desire for many things at one time is part of what it means to be "fully Man", a term which, up to this point, I feel has been defined about as well as "nature"?
Hello, I am discerning the true church and I have a question if anyone wants to answer. In this video Andrew states that the problem with Christ having two wills is that it means there are two persons, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that there are three persons in the Trinity? Does this mean there are three wills in the Trinity?
Well, I got say, this guy looks very young. I''m sure he is a quick study and full of zeal etc. and an example for his age for the EO, but he is a little young to get all the nuances of Miaphytism etc. Especially with all the propaganda out there by the saber rattlers.
@rulleg1 I'm having trouble finding my favorite Coptic online articles. But lots of stuff online is pretty good. Even the Eastern Orthodox, "Orthodox wiki" seems pretty fair. Here is a really interesting quote I copied from it. "Much has been said about the difficulties in understanding the Greek technical terms used in these controversies. The main words are ousia (οὐσία, 'essence'), physis (φύσις, 'nature'), hypostasis (ὑπόστασις, 'concrete reality/person') and prosopon (πρόσωπον, 'mask/person'). Even in Greek, their meanings can overlap somewhat. These difficulties became even more exaggerated when these technical terms were translated into other languages. In Syriac, physis was translated as kyānâ (ܟܝܢܐ) and hypostasis was qnômâ (ܩܢܘܡܐ). The shades of meaning are even more blurred between these words, and they could not be used in such a philosophical way as their Greek counterparts. Hence, some have suggested that miaphysitism came about due to a grounding of language in the fact that someone's person and nature are a verisimilitude." orthodoxwiki.org/Miaphysitism
I am so happy.There is true Christians that outright.Say it I hate when I see our fathers going to the catholics and the orthodox eastern orthodox amd kissing them . Thank you for telling the truth
This is brilliant! I want more though. I always want to pretend that us Orientals are the same as Eastern Orthodox, but I think that would be naïve. Ethiopian Orthodox here.
Andrew i understand the Oriental view on Chalcedon but what about the rest of the councils? Are they also rejected bc your bishops were not involved in them in confused about them.
At 6:30 you admit that you are monophysites by claiming *one* "composite nature" = mono physis, *one* nature. I've heard other monophysites dispute this is what you believe, funny enough. It's not dishonest at all to use the correct term monophysitim for the anti-Chalcedonians just because your monophysitism isn't that of Euthyches. Just like there are degrees of Arianism there are degrees of monophysitism. Just because your monophysitism isn't as radical as that of Euthyches doesn't mean it isn't heretical.
@@matt66716 Of course, to a monophysite, the Orthodox are "nestorian." Too bad though that St. Cyril would be a "nestorian" if you applied your standards consistently.
@@matt66716 There are Orthodox and monophysites of various shades, no "miaphysites." I know St. Cyril''s formula. It's accepted by the Ecumenical Councils. St. Cyril though believe in TWO Natures as is clear from his writings. It's just that the terminology at the time wasn't fixed yet.
@gabrielgabriel5177 that's not directly answering the question, when Jesus said he had come not to do his own will(1) but the will(2) of the Father, what is the will of (1) and the will of (2)? Please give me your answer for (1) and (2), thanks 😊
Kyle is too over confident he got absolutely obliterated in a debate vs Australian Protestant who was very calm why Kyle acted like an angry child in the debate.
Every person has 2 wills for I have a spiritual will which is prayer and unity with God and a fleshy will which is a sinful will. When the will of my flesh is stronger the my spiritual will then I will Sin and if the will of my soul is stronger then I will not sin. This is completely fine and not Nestorian. Every person has 2 will including Jesus himself. He fasted 40 days is this what our body wants? Our body wants food but the will to resist that comes from your spirituality. You do nothing differently than Leo he is saying which action is attributed to the human nature and which action are attributed to the Devine nature. Why is he able to pee ist because he is human why does he walk on water it’s because he is God he is truly a Godman. How do you explain then why Jesus peed.
lul gave you thumbs up the "all" at the end was a dead giveaway. Keep seeking friend. Maybe one day we will unite. In Greece we say take your complaints to the Ruler.
Literally your first point is complete bogus. "this is how the sophistry starts" yea it is how the sophistry starts. Literally no one is saying the oriental orthodox dont believe that "orthodoxy" means correct belief. Obviously the oriental "orthodox" believe that they have the correct belief, even though they do not. There is no implication being made you are just grasping at straws... THAT by definition is sophistry.
Picking on stupid kids isn't fair. I am amazed, though, at Zoomers who become instant experts and then presume to teach as "elders." I give you some slack because you are a bit older and tempered. But I am fed up with all Christian videos with "Debunked" in the title. Don't become one of them!
How is the "average American Christian" who practices circiumcision relevant to the question? It isn't. The Ethiopians judaizers don't "just circumcize" but they openly adhere to parts of the Mosaic law that have long been abandoned by Christians (meaning: true Christians = Orthodox.) That's already apparent from Scripture (Acts 15.) That has nothing to do with "culture." It's a religious matter. There's no way to get around that this is judaizing.
@@frankschaeffer8153 no it doesn’t that would be true if we think it’s necessary but its not it’s simply a tradition we kept 2 Thessalonians 2:15 paul himself said to keep the traditions we have been taught
@@matt66716 You kept a tradition contrary to the decision of the Holy Apostles in Acts 15. So that's not at all obeying what St. Paul said, it's the opposite. (And: sorry, I didn't read your comment correctly before. Nontheless: it's still judaizing to adhere to Mosaic Law that has been abandoned by the Holy Apostles and therefore the Church. It's the exact question that was addressed at the Apostle's Council in Acts 15: What parts of the Law should the gentile converts keep?)
There’s nothing wrong with Tewahedos doing OT practices. They aren’t for salvation, they’re for temporal hygiene and spiritual guidance. You can avoid pork if you want, it’s not a salvific issue though in the new covenant
Jeem, are you oriental?
@@OrthodoxJokerHe is Eastern Orthodox
Well, to say pork is unclean is a heresy. Also to say wine is unclean is a heresy. It was condemned
@@OrthodoxJoker - Jeem is EO BUT was that comment actually from THE Jeem??
@@alexpanagiotis4706no its not we only follow that because we used to be Jewish its just a tradition
Ethiopian Orthodox here, thanks Andrew. I learned a lot from you. Continue defending our true faith.
Roman Catholic here, God bless you, i have alot of respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians. 🙏🏽
Kyle is just not good at debating or refuting. He only manages to fool teenagers who have a level 1 or 2 of knowledge in theology. His stuff is easily refutable
Praying for communion between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox 🙏☦️
There can't ever be unless they have the same theology. It's best that they don't have communion to protect correct theology and not validate false theology.
Eastern orthodox have to repent and delete all innovations
Me too.
I don't think you adequately addressed the fact that the one nature cannot be created and uncreated at the same time.. simply just re-stating you believe that the nature is composite doesn't respond to anything. Chalcedonians also agree that the divine Word is composite in the manner of completing, acting, and perfecting the term of the human nature. The thing that you must address is that you believe one and the same thing is simultaneously pure act and an admixture of potency and act - which is absurd. Dyophysites don't have this metaphysical issue because we make a real distinction between that which is pure act and that which is composed.
I think this is a misunderstanding of the composite nature.
The composition is of both uncreated and created. It's not a new nature that is a mixture of the two creating something new. But a composition of both the created and uncreated.
The incarnation in itself, the unifying of the natures, you may say is something created, but in it is both the created and uncreated.
This doesn't have to entail that the uncreated nature became created somehow. That is a misunderstanding of the metaphysics of miaphysitism
Also a good example of the union is like the union of matrimony. Though man and female are distinct they become one flesh after the union. As sacred scripture states
@@remymargaux1233The union of matrimony to me looks like a better example of the Chalcedonian understanding
He did adequately address the failed point. It is the very logos of composite natures to maintain contrary qualities within the composite nature which is 1 from 2 natures. In the soul-body composition, 2 natures compose the 1 nature of a man, and yet the natural differences of physicality and aphysicality, materiality and immateriality, etc., remain intact without them existing as 2 natures (until death where the separation occurs).
Also, the fact that on the Day of Judgement, many souls which preexist their new bodies will be once-again composed with flesh to reconstitute their hypostasis as now composite of soul and body again. That refutes the false argument that composite natures only result when each part comes into existence simultaneously, since that example shows the contrary.
@@christophersalinas2722 How so?
Fantastic presentation, thank you for this video brother.
Are you dismissing the ecumenical councils as popularity contests?
Yes, he is
@@HeraldKros that's practically all of Kyle's content with cheap Nintendo sound bites for that cheap ZING!!!
WHAT ON EARTH IS A NATURE. Sorry for yelling.
@@sethtreylike in human nature, divine nature etc
Non-Chalcedonians can't say "without mixture or confusion," but then say "composite."" Composite means a mixture, thus confusion.
Severus of Antioch said, “He displays two wills in salvific suffering.” Is this not identical to the teaching of St. Maximus and the 6th Ecumenical Council?
@@premed808 where does he say that
polishmiaphysite.wordpress.com/2021/10/31/what-hath-the-oriental-orthodox-church-to-do-with-monothelitism-nothing/#:~:text=So%2C%20St.,man%2C%20the%20Incarnate%20Logos).@@Joshua_Burdono
Appeal to authority isn’t necessarily faulty plus you need specialist who have been rigorously trained in history & theology and linguistics to help unmuddy the waters
EO here, but great video dude 🙏 keep on going and may God bless you and the Oriental Orthodox Church
Thank you for your kind words and Christian conduct brother ❤️
you just apostatized genius
Please read our Vespers for the 4th ecumenical council brother. Don’t fall into the trap of ecumenism.
@@andrewbehery wake up you monophysite try to light the holy fire at Jerusalem and failed. You wait to take it from the eastern orthodox!!! But you dont wake up.
@@kardzYT Wait, did I apostatize because I wished well for a person with a different denomination than mine?
3:29 I feel like this is an improper critique. No one is saying that circumsizing in it of itself is sinful and heretical. The EOTC has more so than other OO churches engaged in this practice which is likely the case given the deep historical connection Ethiopia has had with Jews since the Old Testament. This doesn't even get into the continued veneration of the ark of the covenant. It clear that there is an underlying reverence for the old covenant which is heretical and the OO seem to tolerate it. With regard to the point you made about christology, I think even the most minor practices has impacts on one's entire theology and is a by product of broader theological problems; these practices of the old testament are christological in nature and have heavy implications on the interpretations of Scripture and who Christ is. It's not a matter of some cultural manifestation which is permitted in Orthodoxy: it is a clear intent to observe old testament rites.
But the liturgical practice is base on the OT..
We don’t think any of the Old Testament practices are necessary for salvation its just a tradition we kept because we used to follow judaism
The veneration of the ark of the covenant isn’t heretical at all because we have the real ark
Who said veneration of the ark is a heresy?
If one thing can’t be both created and uncreated, then essentially, Erhan believes that the Word incarnate is either created or uncreated, or the Word incarnate is two separate entities that are united only nominally. Erhan deserves the polemical accusations he gets.
Sounds like you deserve the polemical accusations you get for this absurd, illogical remark. I think it's MR Erhan to you!
@@marcokite is the Word incarnate created or uncreated? I’ll give you a better question. Is what you partake of in the Eucharist created or uncreated? I await your enlightened answer.
@@marcokiterefute his point instead of using ad hominems
@@minasolimangood question
he is in general quite impious and lies about all churches except his own , explicitly about the Holy Roman Catholic Church. May God bless you my (i think ) Coptic brother !
Dyer did the same sophistry to Wagner about the Filioique, asserting that it assumes a Diad instead of a triad. There was a comment on the vid that said Jay Dyad lol.
Orientals also think you are a heretic.
@@treadstoned9915 i found that very funny too lol
The RC “church” is a gay heretical cesspool
@@KenoKolmer Kyle kinda reminds me of Alex O’Connor when he was a kid doing TH-cam videos too. Very self-assured, a bit insulting, giving a misleading representation of opposing viewpoints, etc. Hope he has the same turnaround as Alex did into a really great and charitable creator.
Great videos brother. Love the content, keep on going.
Thank you for your kind words, I'm very happy you enjoy it
I would love to talk to you brother I’m Syriac catholic and I’m really open to my ppl I love St. Cyril he affirmed the Filioque in his interpretation in John mostly and he teaches the papacy or supports it at least. I want to learn from you
No one is talking about these things. Stay on topic
I can't watch any of Kyle's videos as they are riddled with clickbait catchphrases and cheap Gen Z clichés. And the use of Nintendo Wii sound bites just makes me want to sell my Wii more now 😅
But good video debunking that acid trip "debunk" video of his. I converted to Coptic Orthodoxy from Roman Catholicism years ago and love videos like yours.
The sound effects were something that got more annoying over time. So i'm not the only one who disliked that about Kyle's videos.
@@Oppositionalegoist81 He's another Ortho Bro that is clout chasing because he found something that works for him and if you don't agree with him he'll use fancy theological words and phrases he doesn't understand to justify his "views".
@@famicommike9014 just like he rest of them they claim to be experts and authorities as soon as they have a microphone and camera.
Kyle's videos are ACE.
Deacon, your defense of the OO position is truly commendable and valued. As an Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Christian (OO) myself, I sense a strong obligation to articulate the rationale behind our practice of circumcising our devout followers.
✝Ethiopia's spiritual devotion to the God of Abraham, Yahweh, predates the advent of Christianity by a millennium (one thousand years). *_Rooted in faith in the God of Abraham, Ethiopia embraced and upheld the ancient covenant laws given to Moses in the Old Testament, including physical circumcision and dietary restrictions._* Ethiopia’s belief in the God of Abraham earned us equal favor and merit with Israel, as prophet Amos eloquently expressed it in Amos 9:7: "Are you not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?"
✝Ethiopia then outshined Israel when it embraced Christianity in 34AD - a pivotal moment marked by the conversion of an esteemed Ethiopian eunuch, a custodian of the queen's treasury, who became the first to embrace Christianity under the tutelage of Apostle Philip, as chronicled in Acts 8:26-38. The testimonies of early Church Fathers such as St. Irenaeus (130-202 AD) and St. Eusebius (260-339 AD) further validate this transformative event, aligning harmoniously with the biblical account. (Read St. Irenaeus’s Against Heresies III.12.8 and St. Eusebius’s Ecclesiastical History: Book II). The Ethiopian eunuch, upon returning to his homeland, fervently preached the life-giving presence of our Savior Jesus among humanity and thus this act fulfills the prophecy of King David which states, "Ethiopia shall stretch out her hand to God" (Psalm 67:32).
✝In embracing Christianity, Ethiopia acknowledged the sacrificial system prescribed in the Law of Moses, which required offerings of animals for atonement of sins, was fulfilled by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. While dispensing with many civil and ceremonial laws of the old covenant, Ethiopia retained certain precepts like dietary restrictions and circumcision, considering them integral to our spiritual heritage.
*✝The biblical accounts of St. Paul's interactions with Timothy and Titus illuminate varying approaches to the observance of the old covenant within the Christian context.* Acts 16:1-3 states, "Paul also arrived at Derbe and at Lystra… a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer... *_Paul wanted this man to go with him, and he took him and circumcised him..."_* Why did Paul have Timothy get circumcised? Because, Timothy is a Jew Christian who was of the old Covenant, and also because Paul is cognizant of the principle that physical circumcision does not impede the deeper spiritual circumcision of the heart through faith in Christ. *_Hence, Paul deemed physical circumcision acceptable for Christians who used to adhere to the Old Testament laws._* Now watch about Titus --- Galatians 2:1-3 states, "Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also... but not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised." *_Titus, devoid of Jewish lineage and unfamiliar with the practices of the Old Testament, chose not to undergo circumcision_* and in response to Titus's decision, Paul commended him, affirming the validity of his choice.
*✝Ethiopia embodies the spirit of Timothy - similar to Timothy, we embraced the ancient covenant laws outlined in the Old Testament of the Bible, accepted Christ as our savior, and upheld select traditions like circumcision and dietary restrictions, which align harmoniously with Christianity. As a reflection of this commitment, we also abstain from consuming pork.*
*✝The broader Christian community embody the spirit of Titus - similar to Titus, they’ve the liberty to decline circumcision and dietary restrictions, and consequently, we acknowledge their practice acceptable.*
Didn’t Paul write 20 different letters to these churches exactly because of these petty squabbles?
Yes. St.Paul, please pray for us.
I don’t have any familiarity with Coptic Kano and my Greek is pretty shallow so I wonder if the use of the word “composite” is the best choice. Composites are always two or more materials but they do not become heterogeneous and can be broken back down to their constituent parts. I wonder if alloy is a better analogy, but I would need to see the theology laid out without using the analogous terms as far as possible. I think it possible the OO and Chalcedonians are actually closer than discussion like this suggests.
I am a man interested in orthodox christianity and find these debates stimulating, but I wonder about there necessity. "They know we are christians by our love for one another". The normal guy, looking for the true church is bewildered by the complexity and ferocity in these debates. Surely no-one can know all there is to know about Jesus's makeup and surely all this is merely opinions and conjecture. I've attended orthodox services Greek and Russian and was impressed with the devotion and sincerity displayed there by the faithful. I'm sure I would be equally impressed by the Coptic Oriental Orthodox. I ask myself, would Jesus really condemn faithful followers for not having the correct understanding if the experts have difficulty finding common ground. It feels to me like I'm listening to the sadducees and pharisees squabbling while people are starving for spiritual nourishment. Lex orandi lex credendi, proper belief leads to proper prayer, but is this the case of the little child attempting to put the sea into his sand castle. Is it not enough that all orthodox adhere to the same Nicean Apostolic Creed?
you say a lot of things were implications in the beginning when he wasn't even making official arguments, he only does that later, his guest making most of them. if anyone seems to be using sophistry, I believe it would be you in the beginning. im not saying Kyle made a perfect video, but his position definitely seems more supported by history, and tbh his video seems less prideful than this one. just my perspective though, I appreciate you taking the time to address other viewpoints.
Well you can't call Kyle less prideful when he is blatantly lying
I swear if I had been present at the Council of Chalcedon I would have spent the entire time just muttering "shut up, shut up, shut up" at varying volumes. All this talk of various -physitisms and "fully God, fully Man". Put it in real terms.i have heard people go on and on and on and it never seems to get beyond word games.
@@sethtrey if you did that, you would probably be arrested, beaten on the spot made an example to in front of the bishops, and sent to the dungeons where you may or may not survive.
God bless Oriental Orthodoxy.
- fellow Armenian brother
2:16 “appeal to popularity” proceeds to do the same in 3:54
10:46 there are at LEAST two wills in every human being. Have you never had two wills? You know what that's like. You want to do something, an also something else? Jesus did that, submitting his wants to His Father at all times. His will was to obey His father. But that's two wills.
May I posit that to be subject to the desire for many things at one time is part of what it means to be "fully Man", a term which, up to this point, I feel has been defined about as well as "nature"?
Did you build the Pyramids?
Hello, I am discerning the true church and I have a question if anyone wants to answer. In this video Andrew states that the problem with Christ having two wills is that it means there are two persons, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that there are three persons in the Trinity? Does this mean there are three wills in the Trinity?
Well, I got say, this guy looks very young. I''m sure he is a quick study and full of zeal etc. and an example for his age for the EO, but he is a little young to get all the nuances of Miaphytism etc. Especially with all the propaganda out there by the saber rattlers.
@rulleg1 I'm having trouble finding my favorite Coptic online articles. But lots of stuff online is pretty good. Even the Eastern Orthodox, "Orthodox wiki" seems pretty fair. Here is a really interesting quote I copied from it.
"Much has been said about the difficulties in understanding the Greek technical terms used in these controversies. The main words are ousia (οὐσία, 'essence'), physis (φύσις, 'nature'), hypostasis (ὑπόστασις, 'concrete reality/person') and prosopon (πρόσωπον, 'mask/person'). Even in Greek, their meanings can overlap somewhat. These difficulties became even more exaggerated when these technical terms were translated into other languages. In Syriac, physis was translated as kyānâ (ܟܝܢܐ) and hypostasis was qnômâ (ܩܢܘܡܐ). The shades of meaning are even more blurred between these words, and they could not be used in such a philosophical way as their Greek counterparts. Hence, some have suggested that miaphysitism came about due to a grounding of language in the fact that someone's person and nature are a verisimilitude."
orthodoxwiki.org/Miaphysitism
Yes but David's a very bright guy.
@rulleg1 Sam shamoun has series on oriental orthodoxy on his channel with Daniel kakish
I am so happy.There is true Christians that outright.Say it I hate when I see our fathers going to the catholics and the orthodox eastern orthodox amd kissing them . Thank you for telling the truth
This is brilliant! I want more though. I always want to pretend that us Orientals are the same as Eastern Orthodox, but I think that would be naïve. Ethiopian Orthodox here.
Love from syriac orthodoxy, Good Explanation
Thank you for this video. It really cleared the air. God bless you.
Brother in Christ you are doing a good job. Keep it up.
Andrew i understand the Oriental view on Chalcedon but what about the rest of the councils? Are they also rejected bc your bishops were not involved in them in confused about them.
At 6:30 you admit that you are monophysites by claiming *one* "composite nature" = mono physis, *one* nature. I've heard other monophysites dispute this is what you believe, funny enough.
It's not dishonest at all to use the correct term monophysitim for the anti-Chalcedonians just because your monophysitism isn't that of Euthyches. Just like there are degrees of Arianism there are degrees of monophysitism. Just because your monophysitism isn't as radical as that of Euthyches doesn't mean it isn't heretical.
Ok by that logic you are a Nestorian
@@matt66716 Of course, to a monophysite, the Orthodox are "nestorian." Too bad though that St. Cyril would be a "nestorian" if you applied your standards consistently.
@@frankschaeffer8153 no saint Cyril is a miaphysite I can show you the quotes
@@matt66716 There are Orthodox and monophysites of various shades, no "miaphysites." I know St. Cyril''s formula. It's accepted by the Ecumenical Councils. St. Cyril though believe in TWO Natures as is clear from his writings. It's just that the terminology at the time wasn't fixed yet.
@@frankschaeffer8153 nope he believes in 1 nature after the union you are the schematics
Didn't Jesus say that he had come not to do his own will but the will of the Father?
One will FROM two wills, as it is one nature FROM two nature. One composite nature and one composite will.
@gabrielgabriel5177 that's not directly answering the question, when Jesus said he had come not to do his own will(1) but the will(2) of the Father, what is the will of (1) and the will of (2)? Please give me your answer for (1) and (2), thanks 😊
@ThruTheUnknown will 1 is united to will 2. So there is one will. Even in EO prayers it is said that he wanted to be crusified for us.
@gabrielgabriel5177 what is will (1) and what is will (2)?
when they say one nature it means composit !! No it's just how long a human can cling to his pride rather admitting an error
This video has cleared my doubts 🙏☦️
When I saw that there were more comments than likes, I knew this wasn't gonna be good...
Can you make an argument against chalcedonian Christology?
Nope, no one can.
@@marcokite I agree but he’s making plenty of assertions
@@marcokiteactually many did lol
@@jacobfavret1729search Daniel kakish and watch his series he debunks chalcedon also watch Sam shamoun series on oriental orthodoxy
Have you not watched his videos or did you just not understand english
St. Maximus was not a Nestorian
Kyle is too over confident he got absolutely obliterated in a debate vs Australian Protestant who was very calm why Kyle acted like an angry child in the debate.
Well he is still a child.
Those EO are very deceptive. May God protect the sheep from the wolves.
How so?
Every person has 2 wills for I have a spiritual will which is prayer and unity with God and a fleshy will which is a sinful will. When the will of my flesh is stronger the my spiritual will then I will Sin and if the will of my soul is stronger then I will not sin. This is completely fine and not Nestorian. Every person has 2 will including Jesus himself. He fasted 40 days is this what our body wants? Our body wants food but the will to resist that comes from your spirituality. You do nothing differently than Leo he is saying which action is attributed to the human nature and which action are attributed to the Devine nature. Why is he able to pee ist because he is human why does he walk on water it’s because he is God he is truly a Godman. How do you explain then why Jesus peed.
Don't Oriental Churches teach miaphysitism? 100% God-man, instead of 100%God/100%man?
monophysitism is different than miaphysitism
lul gave you thumbs up the "all" at the end was a dead giveaway. Keep seeking friend. Maybe one day we will unite. In Greece we say take your complaints to the Ruler.
You literally are lying in 1:10 🤥 that is not what he said.
Literally your first point is complete bogus. "this is how the sophistry starts" yea it is how the sophistry starts. Literally no one is saying the oriental orthodox dont believe that "orthodoxy" means correct belief. Obviously the oriental "orthodox" believe that they have the correct belief, even though they do not. There is no implication being made you are just grasping at straws... THAT by definition is sophistry.
What is the instantiation in God if there is only nature and person?
Picking on stupid kids isn't fair. I am amazed, though, at Zoomers who become instant experts and then presume to teach as "elders." I give you some slack because you are a bit older and tempered. But I am fed up with all Christian videos with "Debunked" in the title. Don't become one of them!
Too much pride. Way too much pride.
How is the "average American Christian" who practices circiumcision relevant to the question? It isn't. The Ethiopians judaizers don't "just circumcize" but they openly adhere to parts of the Mosaic law that have long been abandoned by Christians (meaning: true Christians = Orthodox.) That's already apparent from Scripture (Acts 15.) That has nothing to do with "culture." It's a religious matter. There's no way to get around that this is judaizing.
We aren’t judaizers we don’t believe following the Old Testament laws are necessary for salvation
@@matt66716 Believing that makes you Judaizers.
@@matt66716 That belief precisely makes you a Judaizer.
@@frankschaeffer8153 no it doesn’t that would be true if we think it’s necessary but its not it’s simply a tradition we kept 2 Thessalonians 2:15 paul himself said to keep the traditions we have been taught
@@matt66716 You kept a tradition contrary to the decision of the Holy Apostles in Acts 15. So that's not at all obeying what St. Paul said, it's the opposite.
(And: sorry, I didn't read your comment correctly before. Nontheless: it's still judaizing to adhere to Mosaic Law that has been abandoned by the Holy Apostles and therefore the Church. It's the exact question that was addressed at the Apostle's Council in Acts 15: What parts of the Law should the gentile converts keep?)
drink water please
what about debunk David Erhan
No one can debunk David.
@@marcokite ofc they can’t he dedicated a whole series debunk these non-Chalcedonian
@@marcokitedaniel kakish from lions den already destroyed david
@marcokite Daniel kakish already debunked him lol
@brandoking412 actually Daniel kakish already did.ehran is such a coward that he blocked every oo on Twitter lol
Your Christology is incorrect. I will pray for you to come to the True Church.
The Catholic Church
Still debunked
Dear deacon; the pls explain why you refuse to accept the Tome of Pope Saint Leo and the 4 Ecumenical Council
Watch his other videos
" Misconstruing" NOT Mistruing? Mistruing is not an English word.
Again, trying to be helpful.