Was Calcharo Overnerfed? | The Massive Problems in His Kit
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Do you have a different opinion on Calcharo and his gameplay nearly 2 months into release?
I've found his gameplay far too limiting compared to pretty much every other DPS on the roster so I've benched him for the foreseeable future. Hopefully he'll get a new sustain in the future that can simplify his rotations.
I feel like his rotation is actually pretty smooth and I've adapted it to a lot of the bosses in tower to 3 star clear and to clear hologram 6s.. Its def not jiyan or jinhsi easy, but its fun and rewarding. If you're interested in trying him out more, i can give you a rotation that feels pretty flexible and lets you ult ever 25-30 seconds with almost full buff up-time.
@@CoolGrandmalol i’m also interested bro 🙏🙏🙏
Don’t want my calcharo to feel useless
@@saintontas I sometimes never use his ult at all. Using his ult is basically guaranteed death when fighting bosses specifically hologram or the middle toa
@@CoolGrandmalol lets see them hands grandma
@@saintontashii do you think calcharo and encore is just the same? Or is encore slightly better?
I think they need to make 2 change to his kit:
1. let him gain stack even if he miss his attack
2. let him gain stack from using his dodge counter attack durring his utl
2 simple change, he will become a dps demon
I agree as a calcharo main
Big agree
Kuro listens to its players, but I don't think they would change a character's kit since I don't see enough people complaining about it.
People have moved on to other dps units
@@alatus_knight i think itd be cool of them to make some reworks down the line, if kits get crazy crazy
@@alatus_knight let me dream T_T
but I also hope if they ever release his signature weapon, it might fix his kit. example, speed up his auto attack during his Liberation, that will help his kit tremendously
As a Calcharo main, I just can’t understand why his dodge counter doesn’t build his forte in his resonance liberation state. It would make total sense in a game like this.
it would make even more sense for him to gain multiple stacks from that stuff
we need kuro to address this, honestly. it just makes no sense that dodge countering is almost guaranteed to make me miss out on a death messenger.
All other characters are rewarded for dodging, Calcharo and Chixia to some extent, are the only characters punished for it.
@@letsrank9349 Chixia counter dmg is at least decent but yes she does suffer from being interupted during her forte but at least her burst window is shorter than Calc, getting maximum potential calc without quickswap or dodge is basically impossible outside of the enemy being stunned
I totally agree, also i think they should change his 15% dmg reduction bullshit to knockback resistance, this would make him feel sooo much better to play and deal alot more dmg without buffing his numbers.
Just the fact you get punished for dodging attacks in his ult stance is already criminal
well he is a criminal so it checks out
@@ultimate1450 😭
@@ultimate1450ruthless mercenary 👹👹
People keep saying skill issue, but the character is literally just that bad. I don't even know why people thought he was good, the moment you play him against any enemy that keeps attacking you, he literally loses half his dps potential.
Skill issue, the same could be said for many other dps- they lose damage as they are interrupted when attacked.
His real fault is numerous animation cancellation which isn’t as easy as turn brain off jiyan in order to reach his damage potential. This will separate a lot of comfort players from mechanical enjoyers and of course him being restricted as a standard character.
This video is rather biased but does highlight how punishing playing him can be. He did fail to provide all the effective solutions such as using your skill to cancel dodge animations during burst etc.
Calcharo X Yinlin is all about pucssss s
Animation cancel, Yinlin is arguably more clunky to play but she’s a hot anime lady that appeals to many lonely single guys and has less field time.
I assume its due to whatever they nerfed after the beta, but if i have to be honest, his issue can be described as the same as the `camera` problem where you wanna focus one target down, but because he jumps all over the place, he loses out on his damage.
Since if he was simply attacking the same enemy again and again, then he could likely dispatch them fast. But in mobbing scenarios, unlike Jiyan, he ends up spliting his damage, plus if you dont get the `Melphis echo` that does NOT involve spamming multiple attacks over, then you end up having to spend too much time just todo all his stuff.
Guess we can be glad if we get a `free electro 5 star gauntlet user` next version, since that would mean Linyin won`t be half screwed on useful options, though i can atleast use Calcharo as a low floor option for ToA runs once we get more variety to work with, especially on supports to make chasing 21 or even 24 stars more possible, especially once the f2p/light-spenders get into the level 90 window to stop suffering sizable damage penalites.
And of course since he has to `spam alot of actions` todo his damage, this means animation lock makes it too easy for you to get pot shot, the same kind of problem a certain Tiga boi was apparently suffering because he has to commit too much on the damage.
Welp, i landed chi-girl on my first 5 star so i dont regret too much going for calcharo as my 2nd pick, since yinlin existed, since my only other option would of been Encore.
Though a 50/50 flop decided to give me the tiga boi, since resource investments are too sparse once you chase the level 80 land, i dont really have the space to work on the chi girl or tiga boi at the current moment.
Anyway, maybe if we get a electro 4 cost echo that `fixes` calcharo`s issues in 1.3., maybe he can still be salvaged as your low floor sweeper for ToA.
Since we already know 1.2 is going to give a glacio `whale` world boss echo and the glacio unit for that verison is gonna be a `support, then that means the Turtle is probably gonna get retired soon since i would not be amazed if the whale echo`s skill is a healing specific and maybe damage bonus one with probably a more useful effect in a different direction, maybe gather up enemies as one possible effect maybe?
Not bad character at all!! I’ve solod every hologram with him no hit other than mephis
@@DanielCruz-xq6eo "the same could be said for many other dps- they lose damage as they are interrupted when attacked."
But Calcharo is the one character that loses the most dps from a dodge. A Jiyan or jinhsi dodge is almost negligible to overall dps. A Calcharo dodge is not. In fact some other characters can use dodges to get more dps by skipping animations.
You can't even dodge with calcharo@@DanielCruz-xq6eo
They nerfed him for no reason, people pulled him due to Yinlin and now he feels awful
i think he got nerfed because right before wuwa released, pretty much every CC and reddit post was about skipping jiyan, be F2P and get calcharo get from selector. Think kuro was like hell you will lol. firmly believe community was the cause for that nerf. Losing yinlin buff when quickswapping was just the nail in the coffin for that duo/calcharo.
@@henqjuhh They nerfed him to the point that he's not playable even without Yinlin. Very basic traits of a character are also missing. It's not like 'oh skill issues' no, it's more like 'hehe you got an occasional damage dealer'.
@@henqjuhhwell now i feel cheated out of a 5 star from the selector.
@@w3lcom39 its okay at least hes hot
@@kochokanae8313 true
I used to think he was fine at release and learning how to pilot his "optimal" rotation was fun, but after building my Encore and seeing how much simpler she was to play and doing consistently doing more damage, it was hard to have the willpower to play him again.
Needless to say after getting jinhsi, he never saw any field time ever again
Jinhsi do have that effect to remove your main character huh lol
@@brahahaga i stopped building calcharo on lvl 70 and use him as a fodder in lower stages of toa
@@robertdotuan500 same here 😂
Jinhsi with her 300k dragon breath sure can easily kick out many other main dps. 😎
@@robertdotuan500 same😂
He is my most used character. Cleared all of the content with him and still my boi have to crawl just to squeeze out every bit of damage when others are running free getting them. Either we get forte stack with dodge attacks and buff his innate passive to atleast 50% with interuption prevention, or make death messenger on 3 charges instead of duration. We get to keep all the complexity of the character but we are not punished for doing what the games ask us to do, dodge. I hope more CN players complain about this so we get Kuro to revisit his kit. I don't want him to be easier to play, but I don't want to get punished losing 30% of my dps by doing a core game mechanic successfully.
The Chinese player base figured this out pretty early but I doubt any change will be made since the audience has since moved on to hyping havoc main now, he is officially buried.
True! Calcharo's dps just dips when he dodges. I just play him with Max Atk Jianxin, shield him, and Auto attack the lower floors.
Make him hard to use and rewarded with high damage numbers
@@letsrank9349 Same, I got Jianxin and her forte helps a lot along side with turtle and his passive. Do you full charge her forte? Im debating if one bar is enough for the dps loss charging it. Maybe it would be better if I actually build my Jianxin.
This is so true. I always felt piloting him was so clunky. The optimal quick swap way to play him makes him safer, but you're multiplying the number of button presses you need to do within strict rotational timings for a relatively small gain. For example on my Jinhsi team I can do equal or higher damage with less cognitive load. Same for my Havoc Rover + Danjin team.
One thing that you forgot to mention is that even if you execute everything perfectly his special attack frequently misses destroying his DPS and making everything pointless. Another thing that would help a lot in making him feel better is making his special attack spawn directly above the target similar to other special attacks like Encore's.
I really like Calcharo, but something is wrong when Rover clears content faster than my heavily invested 5* standard character supported by his best in slot 5* sub DPS limited banner character, supported by the best 5* standard character support.
This is why sheet DPS needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Calcharo has very high potential DPS but it's hard to actually make it a reality.
I disagree with the Rover comparison. This is my first gacha game where the MC wasn't utter garbage. Rover is actually a viable character, worthy of at least a 4.5 star standard.
I agree Calcharo sucks, but Rover isn't a fair comparison to other gacha games.
If you were to compare Genshin's electro Traveler with Keqing, it's no contest that Keqing has always been better. Hell, the only element thus far that's worth anything is dendro, and that's 1 of 5 so far. Both of the Rover elements we have are already reasonably viable.
@@voshadxgathic but why u disagree
@@Draygoon3l because rover (the free main character) being good is good for the game so him being worse is not necessarily a bad thing, and technically rover is a 5 star character. Now 4 star characters that you still need to pull overperforming him, that is quite an upset.
He needs a shield that increases interrupt resist. Missing a single attack during his ult means 1 judgement gone in his combo
S4 Yuanwu: My time to shine!
@@reverie4384 *tips fedora
Truth is people say it's not Genshin or it's skill issue. But WuWv combat is mainly about dodge counter. If you fought with new hologram boss at level 5 maybe you will understand how much dodge counter is used in game.
@@arch391 I know. But we're not talking about wuwa combat. We're talking about the state of calcharo
@@reverie4384 I always knew Yuanwu is decent with Calcharo! interruption resistance on both forte and ult.
Lets go Yuanwu
This is actually so true and I can’t deny it. Also adding to the fact that I rarely use the echo button on him. He’s literally my most built character at this point
If you put the Cyan-Feathered Heron on him (the one that counters), you may start using the echo button more.
@@SaiDeLaRai I see
But u have to use it to time parries right?
Not to mention the terrible auto aiming that Thundering Mephis have, bruh hits everything but the enemies on its last combo
@@Brix2000thats why you dont run thundering mephis but tempest instead
@@Namzilla_rbc but the thundering synergises with his kit more than tempest
His dodge mechanics nerfing his damage rotations is a bit hard to work around. They should really fix that. Especially not giving ult stacks feels bad.
The 11 second duration is only enough time for 1 empowered heavy, 2 if you did nothing but attacking.
I’ve already shifted from building my Calcharo. Building my Jinshi to replace him as my main dps
Lol same. Even in my team with verina, yinlin and him, I used yinlin as main dps
Same.
Same
You still need 3 teams for the tower. Calcharo is fine.
Same
Seeing her dmg without weapon....hitting 60k
I was pressured I to pulling her weapon and now I'm clapping 137k
No gonna regret it tho
Calcharo Boi I'm sorry ur retired
I hate when devs change something last minute before their release. Hoyo did that with Arlan. If it's the last round of beta testing, nothing drastic should be changed because how do you know that the changes implemented are gonna be good or balanced? If they really need to change something, there should be another round of testing.
Also, having a pathetic disclaimer of "subject to change" doesn't make it less feel of a false advertising when people can see the development process (even if it's CBT, this is the internet, everything is bound to be leaked).
I know he was nerfed and is cumbersome to use. I just don't care. I like his design and kit.
All good and well, I just think people need to be honest in saying he's not worth the effort for a lot of people, especially those coming from Jinhsi, Jiyan, or Havoc Rover.
@@saintontasDefinitely! For those who want to optimize resources, he may be on the lower priority to build. Unless they really need an electro DPS say for Tower of Adversity.
But man is he fun to use. I like him more than my Jiyan and Jinhsi, playstyle-wise. He has more room for skill expression in my opinion but of course, inside the Tower, META matters at least for first clears and for those who care.
Great video as always!
@@saintontas wait... so youre telling me havoc rover is better than sephrioth?
I agree 100% to his video and I agree with what he said at the end by 200%. I love how Cal looks and moves he's a free sephiroth.
@@nahfr.Why wouldn't they be the Rover is god(literally).
Two things I do not like is how his ultimate is 1 or 2 seconds too short and you absolutely have to animation cancel it even if the enemy is staggered to get his final death messenger.
The other egregious thing is that dodge counters do not generate stacks. If you dodge counter you will not get his final death messenger.
These things heavily affect his dps output. I think they did this on purpose to not hurt Jiyan sales.
Yinlin is actually not his ideal team mate either. He needs a support character that maintains buffs on swap out like Verina or yes a character like Zhongli so swap out is not necessary. Calcharo is compatible with aura buffers.
I do not find anything wrong with his dps in general and I actually find his playstyle fun. He is just missing QoL within his kit.
After 3 normal stacks the heavy attack should be changed to something faster and more versatile. It's inaccurate and barely works on multiple targets. The skill itself doesn't do enough extra damage. Clunky ultimate. He needs big buffs. Including a complete change to the top perk in his skill tree. Absolutely useless.
And it's even further effected by Ping.. Not everyone have single digit ping due to location and connection issue.
He might become the jingyuan/cyno of wuwa
the first transformation damage from liberation is the only good damage from him but aoe is so small
I belive s6 Jianxin will solve his problem.
I have no idea why they made one of the coolest characters to exist in gacha and then proceed to nerf his damage like wtf?
They really fck up with him, they should've released him later and revised as a limited 5 star. I really feel he would've done a truck load on sales looking like Sephiroth and already having Yinlin, you tease him, knowing he will be busted with her, even add a quest between them like he is a sort of criminal she is chasing, etc., and recreate as sue free as possible the fire scene with electricity instead, and you are fkn done.
Dilic mains: first time?
@@Dooood24 Diluc problem is his numbers no his gameplay. He has one of he most satisfiying gameplay in my opinion...
@@numaruldoi3031 Diluc's burst pushes mobs away from you. That is counterintuitive if your character is mainly melee.
Because of Jiyan. He was said to be stronger than him... a limited banner Resonator lol! Imagine how he was stronger than Jiyan tho ._. I can't imagine.
As a veteran PGR player and a Calcharo main, I will continue to use him even if he's nerfed into oblivion
im so glad you made this video, it really puts into perspective my thoughts that i couldn't articulate well at all
Bro is not even introduced in the story and already got nerf😂
oh man this hits me like a truck. just today i maxed out his passives trying to finally get that third dorito on stage 4 in ToA but iam still missing like 20-30 seconds. meanwhile, i build encore like a weak ago and she manages to get 3 stars with no issues. made me feel super sad because i loved calcharo from the very first moment i saw his gameplay.
i kinda want to keep going with him still but its damn rough with him out there compared to other characters for sure.
Stay strong, he didnt get any side quest/companion quest yet. Hopefully they buff him, I love my Calcharo.
@@myvariant9745 in time there's going to be characters that really compatible with him, but how long I'm not sure 🤣
Same😢
In 1.1 they nerfed him even more. Now his intro always zooms camera in, which was the reason for many of my deaths. They fixed this bug for other characters, but kept it on Calcharo. At this point, i think they intentionally sabotage Calcharo, so people pull and play other units. Quite dirty tactic, and it sounds like something Mihoyo would do.
it happens with every character, makes the game almost unplayable imo
Mihoyo huh 🙈 I think so honestly, they had to nerf him to give even more of a reason to pull on yinlin, otherwise people immune to mommy-dom woulda skipped 🤷♂️
@@prestonleebenjamin or maybe they're preparing a powerful version of calcharo to pull in a banner😮
im getting camera zoom for all characters, its very annoying. if i remember correctly it wasn't the case in 1.0
edit: it got fixed after an update
@@davidtapia597 That's the precise thing OP is referring to as dirty.
As a Calcharo main that has managed to 3 star clear both Aix and Beringal with him in the current ToA, I see Calcharo as having 1 major flaw and 1 minor flaw. I don't have a problem with his kit in general, however with a higher degree of difficulty and risk associated with his kit, there should also be an increased amount of damage. With enough skill, it is possible to land all 3 death messengers without swap cancelling against most bosses (and without tanking the entire duration, you can dodge cancel your dodge counters and still push 3 death messengers), however it is disheartening to see the consensus being that Encore has higher damage while being easier to play for the same amount of investment.
The 1 major flaw with Calcharo's kit is that his replacement Intro Skill "Necessary Means" does not trigger timestop, and takes almost 3 seconds to execute. This means that outside of his first rotation, even in his most optimal rotation, you won't be able to maintain Mephis and Bell-Borne echo buffs until his 3rd cast of Death Messenger.
The 1 minor flaw is his second inherent skill Revenant Rush that is just bad design - "expect you to take damage so here is a bit of damage reduction" skill, which is not even impactful at all at 15%, to the point that I feel it is a waste of materials to even unlock. You shouldn't be encouraged to take damage in this type of game. If going the mitigation route, it should require precise timing but payoff with full mitigation (invulnerability/countermeasures), reducing duration from 5s to just the duration of the Death Messenger, ending when Calcharo lands on the ground, as a tradeoff for the increased reward. However, I would rather Death Messenger remain a risky move (no mitigation), but have this second inherent skill reward you accordingly - something like "After Calcharo casts Liberation, if at full HP, gains a buff granting +20% crit rate to Death Messenger. This buff lasts until Calcharo takes damage or is swapped out."
Fixing the major flaw (giving timestop property to Necessary Means), along with releasing a competitive echo to Encore's Inferno Rider (Thundering Mephis taking too long and Tempest only providing partial benefits to Calcharo), should be enough to put Calcharo in that sweet spot of having slightly more potential than Encore for the increased risk and difficulty, whilst not having as much damage as premium characters such as Jinhsi (as premium characters should generally have more damage than standard characters). Fixing the minor flaw would just be a bonus. Calcharo just does not feel rewarding to play right now when you can have both an easier time AND push more damage with Encore.
TLDR: give Necessary Means timestop property.
Now i realise why i benched him immediately after i pulled him and just used rover instead😭😭hes so clunky and it hurts when i cant dodge the bosses even if i wont die bc itll disrupt his ult
Yeah also I couldn't even clear TOA with him, Yinlin is far better now.
@@Vult_Ira317yinlin ain't a dps clown
@@Tarnisheddddd She can be lol
if someone wants to play a character and use them even in a dumb way, let them, why do you care?
@@tonikorhonen7687 why do you care what I say kid
@@Tarnisheddddd So you can insult people and then get mad if people call you out? I'd say you're the kid here
He was the first lego I pulled and he looked cool so I committed to him. Learning the game with him was basically like playing the game on hard mode and forced me to actually learn mechanics and git gud. After sticking with him all this time and picking up Yinlin for him, I absolutely shred with him but its still a lot of work. He kind of feels high risk with ok reward compared to other main DPS characters like Jiyan and Jinhsi.
What I've found that makes him a bit easier to pull off is ditching this trash Memphis echoes for the Mech Abomination and running double 2 piece bonuses with Lingering Tunes and Thunder sets. His rotation is simpler this way of just light attack -> skill -> light attack -> skill -> echo -> skill -> heavy attack -> swap to Verina -> skill -> echo (bell) -> ult -> heavy attack -> swap to Yinlin -> skill -> ult/light attacks -> skill -> heavy -> echo (heron) -> swap to Calchero -> ult. During ult use either echo or skill to animation cancel the long animation hit of the chain. Outside of ult if you can't parry with the light attacks, then you can just dodge and counter instead into your skill cancels.
You pretty much nailed in the head the issues I started facing with Calcahro as I started doing endgame content. Overworld wise he was still ok, but high level of Holo bosses, and tower he was getting too tiring to play, that it started to feel cumbersome playing him. It got to the point that I got lazy and didn't do the one side of the tower for one rotation coz I did want to deal with him anymore, my excitement for the game returned as soon I started building my Jiyan and getting Jinhsi. They either need to make his ult last 3 secs longer (especially since his enhance intro interrupts the flow), and allow forte gain from dodge counter attack or make Yinlin's outro buff not be removed when he quickswaps his death messengers.
The issue is Kuro cannot tune him. This sets bad precedence. If his kit is adjusted, this opens up the possibility of lot of player complaints about limited characters ("My Jiyan/Jinshi who I spent money on is getting out-damaged by XYZ new character. Their kits are not meta anymore. Please buff them Kuro!"). In the worst case scenario, Kuro releases a new ovebuffed character, milks everyone's wallets, and then "balances" them a few patch later (seems wild but some devs have done this exact same thing).
So Calcharo is going to remain a second tier character for most. I have mostly given up on him.
he can be tuned, but if they make him too strong, they legally can't nerf him
@@evanleone8434 The issue is the current Calcharo is the release Calcharo. Things that were in the beta cannot be used as a standard and you can't hold the devs accountable. However, if they buff him now, that is misleading to the consumer in the same manner nerfing him after buffing him is. I can say that I didn't choose Calcharo as a character during the two free selectors as he was simply not good enough based on the available information. Now that you have buffed him, I have to spend money on him to get him with no guarantee when I will get him. You basically provided wrong information to me on purpose to make me use my selectors on other characters so that I will have to spend money to get him.
This is a simplified argument but pretty much the gist of why characters in gacha games never get adjusted even if they are broken or useless.
@@snigdhadevdas3191 that is stupid, warframe nerfs shit after release all the time for example (a non gacha game but you can still pay for stuff) the actual reason is the fact that gacha games just don`t have any reason to buff older characters that people already pulled because they won`t affect their current sales. This is why p2w games are riddled with power creep.
@@beegyoshi1685 And so does League. But the nature of the transactions are different. Make a better argument and correct comparison before saying something is dumb. If you want real-life proof, look up what happened when Genshin tried to nerf Neuvillette.
I agree his kit is cluncky and the character is kinda mid but why the hell are you showing a boss fight with electro res when using calcharo !??😂
All i want to have is depths of illusive realm calcharo
Same! When will they add him 🤧
Ong
the worst thing atm for me is his camera bugg where it keeps zooming in so you miss e's resulting in everything you said
After one month of playing him, yes I feel very comfortable using him. I know when to cast his attacks, what to do and what not to do. Jiyan and Jinhsi are way better because they were not free picks. I’m very comfortable using him
Reworks that can make calcharo better in terms of dmg
-Increase the atk spd of his basic and reso skill similar to jiyan atk spd
-Reso skill will gain forte circuit stack regardless if it hit the enemy or not
-Gain forte circuit stack when using 1 basic atk after reso skill
-Dodge counters gain forte circuit stack
-Basic atk, heavy atk, forte circuit and reso skill be considered as ult dmg
-Decrease the delay of 5th basic attack during ult
- Increase the atk spd of death messenger
-Increase the duration of reso liberation to 15 secs
Ive watched 1 minute of the video. Can't understand why people say he's slow or that his kit is weird and dont work. For me y'all just aint playin right.
He's completely my style and I can't have the same fun playin' any other character in this game, closest yet being Danjin, and she still far. He's not braindead, and that's why I think people say he's not a good character. I can easily clear any holo 6 boss in this game with him (except Mephis, of course, since Mephis has lots of electro resist) and just didn't 3* every floor of tower of adversity cuz ion got Verina and I'm also a f2p so I only got 1 dupe. Still able to clear the last floor with 2* easily though.
If you want fun playing Calcharo, yall gotta learn how to quick swap. If yall dont quick swap, y'all simply ain't using him on his max potential.
I also got no-hit bosses with that technique on my channel if y'all want to see what I'm talkin about. Definitely the best-feeling character in the game for me, by far.
Edit 2: if y'all having hard times with his basic attack parries, something I really can't understand cuz for me it's easier than rover to parry with, keep in mind his 3 stages of resonance skill can also parry and the aoe on them makes it easier.
The quickswap playstyle is antisynergy with the nerfed Yinlin outro. All it takes is 1 new electro dps who doesn't need to swap and has good numbers (like possibly the upcoming Gauntlet guy) for him to get thrown in the dumpster forever.
@MistAssassin69 Lmfao that is so wrong. But it's okay ig.
@@ZartKZur Sure let's check in a few weeks after he comes out and see if it happened
@MistAssassin69 I'm talking about the "quickswap playstyle is antisynergy" part. Him being still used or not doesn't make difference for me.
Of course people will stop playing him probably soon. But it aint cuz he weak or sum, it's just cuz y'all don't like having fun, only exploding stuff in seconds. That's sad, tbh.
What's the point of nerfing a 5 star character to "balance the game" if you going to throw a character that deals 6 digits dmg the next patch, it makes no fucking sense
Worse than that is when he does that grabbing part during his non enhanced basic attacks. he becomes immobilized for a few seconds
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Funny thing is that we ever get a character like this I will pull hard.
😂😂😂
ngl the moment this game shifts to that "get shield and start mashing" direction im gonna leave
@@nhq4162 Too late for that S4 and above Yuanwu should actually be able to do that and the best part is that there are going to be characters even better than Yuanwu at his role in the future.
@@nhq4162 you could always not use them no? You seek challenge then don't pull for characters like that
I'm really hoping Kuro does some straight up balancing to their characters. There a lot of abilities in this game that just don't work or don't seem to work as intended. It seems like gacha developers try to avoid balance patches for some reason, which sucks. Some small tweaks here and there would do a lot.
Pgr does leaps which are buffs that were old characters get buffs and new animations
Given how all gaming businesses are distrustful and distasteful in their methods of making money coupled with the fact that Kuro wants to seem nice unlike HoYo and want to be quick and responsive with issues within the game ….it truly logically seems like Kuro fudged Calcharo on purpose due to the hype he received and the potential he had as a dps and have been progressively shadow nerfing him, because literally all they have to do is make a notice as with everything else and fix it
…..take the camera zoom in that apparently was plaguing more characters yet left calcharo untouched? Another asian studio doing the same ol thing while trying to gain your trust and friendship
Bingo. You nailed it.
Man I wanted to main him alongside jiyan, but he's extremely hard to play perfectly since I'm on mobile
Been maining Calcharo since Day 1. Here are my proposed list of changes for him:
1. Replace his 2nd inherent skill. I don't know what the guy who made that was smoking but a 15% damage reduction after hitting a Death Messenger just ain't it. Replace it with something that buffs his damage even more. He's a main DPS so his passives should make him deal more damage and NOT reduce any damage he takes.
2. Dodge counter should give him 2 stacks. As of now, his dodge counter only gives him 1 stack and that's only during the second attack. Currently, dodging well during Liberation punishes you since it almost always results in preventing you from getting 3 Death Messengers during your Liberation.
3. While in combat, Calcharo should gain 1 stack of Cruelty just by casting his Resonance Skill instead of hitting it. Also, fix the 2nd part of his Resonance Skill since it sometimes misses when Calcharo is too close to an enemy or if an enemy is awkwardly placed near a cliff/ledge.
4. Necessary Means should pause the timer. Currently, Necessary Means eats up about 2 seconds of Calcharo's time. If you so happen to use the upgraded Intro during his Liberation, this means 2 less seconds during it which prevents you from getting 3 Death Messengers and gives you 2 less seconds to deal decent damage during it.
5 is more of my bias taking over since he's my favorite character and are not necessary to his kit.
5. Change his 5th duplicate. A 50% increase in damage during his intro skills sounds like an inherent skill and not worth the value that a 5th duplicate should give. A good change would be to replace his 2nd inherent skill with the current 5th dupe and to replace his current 5th dupe with something that buffs his OUTRO instead of his intro.
And maybe buff his numbers? I feel like he's been over nerfed in order to not have him cascade over Jiyan but comparing his previous numbers from his current numbers makes me tear up a bit.
If before calcharo gets revamped or buffed they need to do that Lingyang first 💀
@@Axlken214Dude LingYang is in a better position mechanically than Calcharo dude just needs a better gauntlet.
i dont support the idea of adding a new character to fix the previous chatracter, this is not GenShit impact , they have to change his kit to make him playable. look even if they change his kit people will still pull for new characters and the new characters will mostly be better at damage , so fixing his kit won't do any bad to the game.
Gacha games very rarely change the release kit unless it's a very special occasion
Gacha games very rarely change the release kit unless it's a special occasion
Still one of my favorite character in-game despite his high skill cap. The only downside with his kit is the forte circuit in his liberation do not stack up when doing dodge-counter and u'll lose DPS when bosses move too frequently. I have him at S1 and planning to get his S3 but I know it will take a while since I'm f2p.
Nerfed to make way of 1.1 units 😂
2 changes would make calcharo feel so much better:
+ 2 stacks on dodge counter
+ Make his stand do the forte slam instead
So no more dodge cancel his forte and he actually feel good to play
Besides all the suggested changes, what if his ult stack is kept at 3 instead of 5? It is the heavy hitter that counts anyways.
honestly calcharo is the only thing that made me try the game but seeing the huge canyon between him and jiyan/jihnsi is honestly making me consider dropping wuwa cuz no one else rly interests me
come back 2 years from now maybe you find another character you like.
same
It is absolutely suck but He is still usable at least, not being to compete with the best of the best doesn't make you terrible. Be grateful that your main is not Lingyang lol
he is buried alive by wuthering waves, RIP Calcharo
Dont forget about his empowered intro skill where you waste like 3 second to deal a little more dmg
How you trigger that?
@@gow_ the next intro skill after Using Resonance Liberation
@@myvariant9745 oh Thanks 👍🏻
so basically bro has summoned me to build and do a calcharro build video. geshu lin reincarnated clickbait xd
he has a good amount of secret tech
Does it involve quickswap? xd
@@saintontas we can do it solo (: i messaged you on discord if you want
@@SeireiYura I need that guide ASAP bro i rly wanna main this guy
7:49 Calcharo's stand is T-posing🤣
Looking at early tier list, I thought I only need him, Jiyan, and Encore for DPS. Later two are fine, but Calcharo isn't as good as I expect. I thought it's just because he is ST DPS but apparently it's more than skill issue.
Do you think I should just switch to Havoc MC & Danji comp instead? I pick the permanent 5* sword too.
Great analysis, fantastic video!
Unfortunately he is cursed with being a standard character so most people don't care about him and even when we do, Kuro won't. His number is noticably lower than limited character by design but his main issue is the fact that he is basically having lower ceiling while also having a harder time reaching that ceiling making him feels worse than he is during the beta/compared to other chara (not having a limited weapon is also an issue, losing 30% dmg bonus compared to Jiyan or Jinshi is massive on top of non crit rate substat)
I agree with all your points 100%. I stopped playing my Calcharo when I couldn't even 3 star the 2nd floor of Electro Tower with him, Yinlin and Bazhi (Verina was elsewhere). Skill issue on my part ig.
That is definitely a skill issue for sure since I had not problem almost getting max stars. I just don't have enough damage to full clear it yet. Even if I use my much better built Jinhsi I do not clear any faster. You just have to accept that you must animation and swap cancel. It lowers his max dps to be more like a good dps 4 star but it is much safer and more consistent. His theoretical max single target dps is actually better than Jiyan but you have to jump through too many hoops to make it practical (Need to have all 3 death messengers and maintain full buff uptime). Jiyan you can just unga bunga.
Skill issue I got 1 star in the lvl 90 heroin with Calcharo at lel 70
Other than the last stage in the Elec Tower, cause my calcharo is lvl 70 and isn't build pretty good (cause my main is Rover and Jinhsi currently atm that i play most of the time).
But yeah Calcharo kit overall is generally pretty slow especially if you use him as your main DPS and the most onfield char., Calcharo atm feels like something should just be used as a Liberation Spammer.
I found a way to play Calcharo now. My issue with him was he can't reach all the enemies scattered around in time, and stage 2 today has these Young Roseshrooms that you need to dodge from multiple sides, cutting his damage significantly.
I stopped bringing a healer since it's ToA 2, I want to use them for higher floors. I paired him with Jianxin that is Full attack to give him fat shields, and I didnt bother dodging at all. It was the most fun I had with this guy, probably will use this on all lower floors from now on.
Sidenote: Electro tower was way tougher today than the Spectro tower. I really hate Young Roseshrooms😂
@@letsrank9349 I think the young tentacle monsters has even more health that Tempest Mephis and you can't really group them because they are stuck on the ground😅
i did not want to play wu wa, but my friends told me its far better than genshin, so i tried it. made 7 re rolls accounts. Got calcharo is 5 out of them and Lingyan in the remaining 2, was gonna drop the game, then they gave us the free selector so i got my Verina on the account i kept.
Fast forward, I lost 50:50 twice and against the best option, i got Jiyan and Jinshi. They share the standard claymore with Calcharo.
And out of all the DPS and teams, I prefer havoc rover, encore, baizhi team.
I have no real team for clacharo and he has zero aoe, and your video gave me more knowledge on his shortcoming. Jiyan feel clunky and I cant seem to be able to do counters with his team with Mortifie. and Jinshi I think i dont play her correctly i either do 23k or 65k no in between and she get easily staggered and lose her skill stacking.
It dont help that the game camera sitting are not helpful, or the new enemies that move all around the screen and have no clear moves to dodge.
Maybe this game not for me after all
Other than skills, levels, echoes, etc. you need a team that builds Jinhsi's concerto gauge quickly. Yinlin is best, but Yuanwu is a really strong secondary, and requires little to no investment.
This Is why, my favorite and most fun character went from calcaro to Jinshi
I cannot express how great it felt to switch from Calcharro to Changli- like actually doing damage and being much more agile and flexible in combat was such a mind blowing feeling
I mean if you eat dirt your whole life you’ll never know how good an actual sandwich tastes, and it really felt like a whole new experience
I have to agree this wasn't the same Calcharo that was OP back in the day. At first I tried to cover up his weakness by practicing a whole lot.
However the clunkiness remained he seemed so slow in comparison to Jiyan. There are many times Calcharo is putting himself in danger forcing a swap cancel.
to be able to pull off 3 DMs in his Ult state is hard to do on a non-stunned enemy. doing dodges or anything else in his ult state is a dps loss.
the meta Void team's star dps isn't as strong as he was expected to be. luckily YinLin despite the outro getting nerfed still rocks.
Despite being a main on field dps I barely put him on field for long. Total skill issue on my part. I mainly use YinLin and Verina, only resorting to putting Calcharo once the boss is in near stun state.
So he needs yuanwu shields at s4 to be viable?
he was nerfed into the ground and I regret building him even up to level 60. it was a waste of resources. but it wasnt a huge waste considering I have a few other characters setup now.
Why use Electro on Thundering? They have electro resistance
I took Calcharo on the beginners banner just to pair him with Yinlin. Now the more I play Yinlin the more I realize there's almost no reason to swap out of her for Calcharo. My Yinlin has literally no Downtime. RS-RS-N4-HA-RL combo always guarantees I have Ult then just repeat again or swap to a support.
I want him to get buff. At least Interuption resistance during his Ult Mode.
I assume there'll eventually be content that requires a full team of each elemental type so unless you normally top up to grab every featured using Calcharo alongside Yinlin is economically smart. He still does amazing damage. Apparently Xiangli might be a free 5* electro from leaks so maybe hold off building Calcharo until we see more of him.
I'll just pair them up lmao, I've already invested in R3 Calcharo.. 🤡
Then who should I get if I have Encore and Verina from the starting banner? I have my guarantee in 30pulls. Jianxin?
He's a debut char he was released in a state where he is supposed to be power crept by limited 5 star DPSers.
Question, does Kuro have a history of buff/nerf characters after they released?
buff yes nerf only twice with calcharo and pgr's lee hyperreal. for pgr lee hyperreal, they removed time stlp for his first ult (pgr gen 2 s ranks have 2 ultimates whicb stops time in real time) and they removed the time stop for lee. HOWEVER, kuro does buff the characters and lees gonna get one soon. plus kuro listens to players. so calcharo may get buffed like lee might. though lee hasnt gotten it yet, but he has a high chance to.
I just recently 30/30 tower with my s0 calcharo/s0 yinlin team beating the the mourning aix and the heron. Sucks when the boss moves and you lose half your dps (had to do alot of delaying my rotation cause of that) but its still clearable.
Can you tell me what teams you used and basic rundown of level/investment, if you don't mind? Thanks.
This video made me realise I don't really know how to use Calcharo effectively to even notice these problems...
basic things that are fairly common to other characters that is missing on his kit.
Ult invisibility. (He does have it but at the very very start of ult, like .5 sec after hitting R)
Time freeze during ult activation
So am not alone am also tired my numbness i feel in hands is too much
I agree, i think if reset the skill cooldown after using the ultimate is great moves. But I still use him in almost entire game so far because got S2 on guarantee & selector banner ^_^
There are a few more factors that make Calcharo's gameplay super clunky and unenjoyable:
1. His attack knocks small mobs away from you, so you will have to dash to catch up to them to continue dealing damage (try E3 into Heavy Attack, you'll understand)
2. The current Electro Echo set doesn't work well with him at all. Currently we have 2 4-cost Electro Echos both need to hit their final attack in order to grant damage buffs.
- Tempest Mephis: 2-hit (not great compared to others, but fine enough) but provide bad buff (+Heavy Attack Damage)
- Thundering Mephis: 5-hit (too long, and super buggy) but provide good buff (+Resonance Liberation Damage)
Calcharo overall is not a bad character in design. He is great for players who want to play a more stylish playstyle, but he definitely needs more QoL updates.
The best part is that I leveled this character to 80 since I have R1 Razor and he still feels bad to play and I kinda regret leveling him Ahhhhhhh.
Welp think of it ilike this: You can use that razor on other characters and you could use him specifically for low floor ToAs to conserve Stamina to have your optimal build units run. Though i havent tested if i can do solo and duo rounds, but im sure doing that would be helpful especially on the initial 2 floors if i could have someone like Calcharo and Yinlin able to clear 4 low floors, letting me have my main team able to cover 2 or even 3 of the higher floors once fully optimized.
I`d say my fun is gonna be working on morfeti, once i get verina and baizhi caught up a smidge so my Jiyan comp can get a little more sturdy.
@@BladeSerph Mortefi is another unit I'm working on for my Calcharo team. I don't have Yinlin.
@@fastedwarrior7353 Jinshi sadly didnt come home for me (yet) so im kinda suffering a smidge on some DPS variety lol.
Plus side i can X-fer Calcharo`s gear to the new lightning main DPS coming in 1.2.
While i can X-fer my Aalto`s gear to Morfeti.
So atleast it should make gear preping significantly easier for me. Especially since if i recall correctly, we should see a x2 simulated training bonus down the line if i recall correctly.
Just doesnt help it feelsl ike for floor 4 ToA you need the sub-stuff to 70 and the main dps to 80 atleast to 1 star clear it if your not fully optimized on a team comp.
This is me right now, his playstyle is good enough for me but it has a lot of inconsistencies, his forte and specially his most powerful move, is clunky and has horrible hitbox/targetting, and really slow to pull off. Should have used my resources building havoc rover or encore, still managed to 26/30 ToA so far.
And this is why Jianxin has to stay on his team for me, just for the shield.
don't forget without interruption resistance, he could literally take 0 damage and still lose 30% of his res lib damage bc he got knocked on the floor :(
off topic but damn that ZZZ gacha music hit just right 😂
But he the Strom that is Approaching
There is a reason why he is the only 5 star not to get his own triller so I will keep building him
7:50 nah this thing already convinced me that calcharo is a top tier character design 😎
I always pair him with taoqi n baizhi bc hes gotten increasingly squishy 😂 lets feedback from the ingame form to ask for calcharo fix?
I got Calcharo on my first few pulls and loved it. He actually goes extremely well with Spectro rover and while it doesn’t solve any of his issues - it’s a massive bandaid patch. Currently using his current best in slot team and it doesn’t feel that great. I’m able to do more damage than my previous team but at the cost of comfort.
And on that note - I’ll likely switch Verina into a changli team and end up using Spectro Rover.
I think the bell echo kinda fixes this problem since you get a moment of invincibility but only for one hit
NOW i always wondered why my chixia which is (600 atk/20crit rate/crit dmg) less than Calcharo
but still deal almost more dmg than he does
After I stopped playing him for a while to build others, I noticed a stark difference to his gameplay when I returned to play him yesterday.
He felt somewhat 'clunky' when compared to the game's release (despite his still respectable damage), so this video made me realise the ton of patches actually nerfed my Sephiroth/ Vergil clone. 😭
I genuinely believed that we are not currently having his signature weapon. If, and when they release his signature weapon, I believe he will rank much higher in the dps scaling
Crit stats and SD with anti interuption passive would be great, I love my boi Calcharo
Forcing you to pull for a weapon that "fixes" his gameplay sounds awful.
@@numaruldoi3031The jingyuan effect
This is why it is my firm belief that he was actually designed to be swap cancelled, and the nerf to that was a direct nerf to him.
Chixia is also a great example. her "E" regens the forte bar if she hits or misses.
She also has a very high dmg multiplier on her dodge counter. So even if you have to dodge during your (Run and gun) when you hold "E" you will mnot lose that much damage anyhow, as her dodge counter does similar damage to her forte buffed power shot.
Current Calcharo is like:
a Danjin without her many s,
a Chixia without her dodge counter multiplier & her "E" shennaningans when you have sequences on her.
A Mortefi without his newly dsicovered mechanics.
etc.
even 4* chixia skill fill forte without target, so many regret on C1 calcharo and c0 linyin. back to taoqi and chixia ...
how i now feel sad eating those recomendations on linyin, calcharo and verina, said the OP team for a distant future
Me too, but i will max him out if i already build jiyan, jinhsi, hrover team to the max. Just because i already have nothing to upgrade
I accidentally got him at s2 so I'm gonna stick with him plus he's so cool! Sadly I feel like I have to reset and get a lucky run to get full value 😅
Sunken-cost fallacy at it's finest
Calcharo has a lot of nuance when it comes to using his kit, and how you use it depends on the fight. You can alternate basic and skill for a smoother output, lining up the enhanced heavy with the end of his basic chain. The first skill is really fast and a good counter, so if a counter is coming up only do basics and launch into the 3 skill chain when its time to counter. During liberation, his dodge counter is considered liberation damage so still benefits from his buffs and you can do a ton of damage if u ult right before the boss does a long attack chain. This is especially effective on the crownless hologram phase transition or the monkey hologram spin to win move, maintaining damage uptime where every other character has their damage fall off almost completely. Taoqi is a really good shielder for him. She can instantly apply huge shields with her intro, doesnt need on field time, and her outro is up every other rotation and buffs skill damage which is good for Yinlin since her coordinated attack, both on field and off, is counted as skill damage.
And I chose him in the 5-star selector, lol. Should reroll account then?
Saw this in the tower playing him in my second team, yeah, he needs a rework/buff.
It sounds to me most of Calcharo issues can be resolved with a good Shield n battery buffer And maybe some attack speed Taoqi sounds like a good choice but requires heavy investment on def and energy
Preach brother!!! 🙌 As a Calcharo main I had to swap him for my new dragon lady...
This is why I just play him with spectro rover instead of Yinlin, the 3 second time slow really is big for him. Along side spec rover just doing good damage an having extra trickle healing. Love playing him but he really needs a sub dps that’s a combo of yawnwu an taoqi combined to help him survive hits but provide team oriented buffs
In my opinion, Calcharo mainly needs some added defensive options to be used as intended.
My idea would be that he could gain Forte on Dodge counters, but lose one on hit to reduce the damage he receives and give him super armor. At the same time, his Heavy would always consume his Forte and ignore 10% enemy defense per stack. This would mean he maxes out at 30% regularly, but can go up to 50% in Burst Mode. This would change his endgame slightly from "landing full combos" to "keep swinging to charge the nuke". Hell, he could even gain a bit of healing from Burst Mode Forte stacks that go unused when the time is up, and turn unused Regular Forte stacks into healing when using his Liberation.
i still use him nonetheless since theres literally no pure lightning dps at the moment. All of your points are valid, i really hate when dodging punishes you when you do his enhanced heavy attack so my playstlye with him is yinlin doing all the work then switch to calcharo when the intro skill is ready, spam his skill+heavy attack then switch back to yinlin. I only use ult of calcharo when the enemy has their shield broken especially when fighting agile bosses like the mephis duo and crownless i wish he is atleast more resistant to getting knocked back on his ult form
Damn i was excited to build him today but i kinda change my mind now :(
Tbh? If you aren't meta obsessed just build him. I saw a guy get 30 crests in ToA with Lingyang, anything is possible. And at the end of the day, you literally do not have to do the boss ToA stages at all. They really don't give that much rewards, they're more for the people who want to challenge themselves. But if you do wanna do it and don't think you can do it with Calcharo, then just use other characters for ToA and him for overworld. It's not a race, you don't have to 30 crest ToA immediately. It's just a game after all, and it's supposed to be fun - if you like Calcharo, build him!
@@acidicloudi mean 3 star and you have 75 astrite, kinda worth it tho
@@nonyourbusiness165 ik it builds up after a while, but at the same time... is it really? The hardest, middle tower, also only gives 50 astrite for 3 crests, so if you do both of the floors with 3 crests, you only get 100. Straight up not enough for even a single pull. Whichever characters you have, you'll almost certainly be able to get at least 18 crests, which is 450 astrite already, more than half of the total rewards. I don't think it's even close enough rewards to be worth it sacrificing your enjoyment, but that's just my opinion tho
2:00 I actually find it easier to parry with Calcharo's first basic attack than a lot of other basic attacks that I've tried.
Agree that Calcharo is great during early game and suffers when you progress to higher world levels.
Some of my issues with playing him are:
- without any damage mitigation/shield, he gets easily taken out
- it is hard to maximize his resonance liberation when the enemy is moving around, as the up time is not that long, on an immobile/staggered enemy, you can pop two enhanced heavy attacks.
- missing a resonance skill hit affects your combo
- synergy with his combo and echo skill doesn't work. Using Thundering Memphis, which has a long animation due to several strikes, doesn't work as you're vulnerable to enemy attacks. Tempest works a bit better but empowers heavy attacks. But in the end, you'd end up not using the echo skill as it doesn't feel natural or flow well with his moveset.
Fixes to make him better:
- gain stack from dodge counter/parry during liberation
- gain stack even on missed resonance skill
- we need an echo similar to Jue, which you can use/cast during combat without transforming into.
- gain a small shield per successful hit of resonance skill which stacks until you use the heavy attack that will remove the shield and the remaining shield health can boost the heavy attack damage.
What I also do not like about his kit is the fact that when you intro skill and get yinlin's outro, you are basically farther away from the enemy than where you intended to be. So if its maximizing his damage per time there's also the possibility that you could 1. miss his resonance liberation bc you are farther away from the enemy and 2. having the need to dash or use his skill takes more time than it should. Also that fact of quick swapping and him losing yinlin's outro buffs do suck so you have to pretty much stay on field hope for the best and try not to dodge (which is impossible bc its intended in the game).