Orks take on Imperial Agents. Community Deathwatch 40k in 40m
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James Jones wants to push buttons! The man that Waaaaaghs from the heart has brought the Orks' Dread Mob to Play On to take on Mubin and the new Imperial Agents codex. Mubin is putting the Community Deathwatch force to put alongside Assassins and the Adepta Sororitas.
NOTE: This game was played before points were officially released, so we were using Allied point costs rather than imperial agents points. Your own armies may look different.
DREAD MOB
Mek
Mek
Mek
Zodgrod Wortsnagga
Boyz
Boyz
Gretchin
Gretchin
Gretchin
Gretchin
Gorkanaut
Morkanaut
Morkanaut
IMPERIAL AGENTS
Greyfax
Watch Master
Watch Master Artemis
Kill Team
Kill Team
Corvus Blackstar
Vindicare Assassin
Battle Sisters
Callidus Assassin
Eversor Assassin
Navy Breachers
Immolator
Chimera
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Folks, I'm buying my first 40k army this weekend! Made plans for the day and everything. Very excited, been a lore nerd for a couple of years now.
Have fun!!
@@silviolopar6587 tyty, I'm so excited to paint!
Welcome to the hobby half of the community, wish army are you goding for btw?
Uhhhh welcome to the miniture side of the hobby 😊 wich army did you chose ?? 😁
Wish you luck dont let the pile of shame grow to fast. Take your time collecting
That assassin seems thicker than normal
The Thiccest
What assassin? I saw a base and a floating gun
Been overdoing the polymorphine I think.
Now, now. Let's not body shame. The assassin is very sensitive about her weight.
Got that boss babe jaw
Yup, Agents did exactly as I thought...They're a side-dish, not a main course.
Agreed, but it’s worth mentioning at Mubin brought ZERO anti tank, and James brought *three* titanic models.
@@jonathanellis5811 That's cause pure Agents don't have much in the way of anti-armor. That's why they're best used as a compliment to an existing imperial force. You still have all the neat stuff, but with some muscle behind it
@@intense_pickle can’t they ally in some armigers or a titanic knight?
@@jonathanellis5811 got 300$ to lend ppl? 😅
The fact that they got released in the state that they're in is downright LAUGHABLE.
RIP 99% of Deathwatch, you will be missed 🫡
@thisisalie-ft8cv GW did us dirty. From what I have seen, review wise I'm not impressed. Some how they made the Blackspear task force worse. That and they lost the Astartes key word. Lucky I can cannibalize most of the primaris stuff for my sons of medusa I'm starting. Figured go with a army GW can't hurt me with. How many points if deathwatch do you have? I had around 4500 to 5000 depending on loadouts
@@Arjac1312 2600 pts of first born marines, not including my legends dreadnoughts. The Ordo Xenos detachment is literally a copy paste of blackspear. We lost access to 86 data sheets for the same rules….. The Blackstar may not even get to be a “dedicated transport” so it will only be useable if you play agents…….
@thisisalie-ft8cv well I will still play the old deathwatch house rules. I have around 3000 points of first born and two blackstars 😅
@@Arjac1312 Imma probably run them with the Vanguard Spearhead detachment and ally in the Watchmaster and Artemis cause most of my marines can’t pass as Veterans……..
Everybody freaking out like GW isn’t just going to release new models to get you to spend more money.
I always enjoy watching James' orks!!!
He is waaaagh-tastic
yeah seems like a good bloke to have a beer with after the game
I like beer@@-Oittz-
@@JimJones-ur3el you make this show mate, i might be a bit biased being an ork player tho.
@@JimJones-ur3el hell of a show as always you beautiful oversized charging green monster you🥰
From this day on I nominate Mubin to be the Champion of Bad Rolls. I think I've never seen him roll hot once on this channel...
I love how in 0:29 the model it's in "REDACTED" but immediately seconds later you can clearly see the model next to the Immolator
That's a lot of Titan to throw at a titanless team.
Knights are from Titan ;)
ive just started to get into the actual Warhammer board game and watching y'all has made learning the game so much easier. I'm following typhus and my first army is going to be death guard so hopefully all goes well. Love your guys content! I also appreciate that Mr. Initiative embodies exactly what you would expect of an ork main. Don't know how the enemy functions, don't know if you can win, doesn't matter; simply WAAAGH!
Inq Agents lack anti-tank and they face 3 giant Ork constructs!
Big props to Mubin for playing what is essentially not a functional 2k army in agents.
The ork list also looks especially try hard and cheesy to bring against a faction that has the worst AT imaginable outside of a few thunder hammers.
@@mattb1602 He brought nearly all the heavy hitters in the codex. It was a faction preview game.
I wonder if they could but more of a fight vs a list with less titanic models.
@@JoobyFoo I was making a point none of units in the entire faction come together to make a cohesive 2k army the book is poorly written for a real Warhammer game. He took all he could take because it’s all the book lets you.
It’s essentially a few Deathwatch, Gk, sister units with a smattering of kill team infantry kits and transports. No armor and no way to kill armor outside of very slim tools
RIP Deathwatch Codex! You will be missed
Hahaha, I'm starting to add a death watch. Personally, I think it is still viable. It just needs some adjusting, and this was a bad example of agents.
rolling that 1 on Artemis when he needed to get back up... I feel that. I have done that so many times myself :P
Dice tell stories. Sometimes one of sacrifice
@@PlayOnTabletop so true! I just wish the sacrifice was less of a repeat story and more of a one off ;p
Man i was so ready to start an Imperial Agents army but they have no sauce. Dont even have an Army Rule. Just a bunch of killteams in a trenchcoat
Im an agent play and have been since i got back in duting 9th. You're very incorrect here. People just don't know how to play them. This list has no synergy and played what it had totally wrong.
@@Leighszar ask them to invite you and show us. I personally like IA, but dont know how to play with them as well
@ludmilamarchenko4083 probably won't happen due to location.
I'll elaborate a bit.
Nothing I say or said is to disrespect these players. They are great for the community, but most players play agents like other armies and we can't play that way
Problem's first the played the xenos detachment and admitted that they played a soup list that isn't complementary to each other. So, it isn't a good representation of the codex..
These are general mistakes with playing the agents.
First you .Just understand.
1. We will never steam roll an oppenant.
2. We will never be able to tank (mmorpg term) oppenants
3. We will most likely never win with a high VP difference, and it will normally be a tight game. It's will be fun as hell but tight game.
3. We do not have great anti armor capabilities, so we must mitigate that elsewhere.
4. Our strengths are board control and trickery. And we must deploy boldly aggressively in the first 2 turns, then swotch to a delay game
5. Going first or second is key in your deployment, and if we do not go first or second as we want, everything gets harder
ANTI ARMOR
Pre codex, we had to rely on warglaives or armigers for our anti armor
Post codex.
Warglaives and armigers are still options. But now we have the addition of inquisition Agents and sisters in immolators. This puts us close to the capabilities as the adepta soritas were at pre codex. But it is a massive improvement, but we are still heavy out gunned.
RANGE
Our range is bad. So you have to use terrian heavily and continually push and keep them as far back in their deployment zone as until you start the delay. The issue with that is we have no sticky, so we can't take an objective, then push forward using cover so had to leave units back and not be able to position to act as part of the dely.. Sister may help this. You will be sacrificing units for the stall of the forward momentum of the Oppenant and nothing else. All this is made more difficult due to our lack of range.
ASSASSIAN
Do not see Assassian not as a lone operative like most armies. Look at them as a unit upgrade. As displayed in this video, the Assassian didn't really earn their points. When using a single assassian as an ally in an optimized list, you can use them and sacrifice as they did in this match. We can't. They have to work with our units to buff them in combat. Are ranges are 12" so we get one round of shooting then CC. You have to keep the Assassian close with other units. Using the units to picket en forces allowing Assassian to maintain lone operative yet being close enough to charge with your other unit or heroic intervention for them. Never charge the Assassian alone into a fight or first unless you have to. They are not lone operatives. they are shadows of you other units.
VINICARE SPECIFIC
You don't want to place him where he can see everything. That will cause you oppenant to accept that and just follow his plan. You need yo put him where he has good sight where you don't want the oppenant character to go. This will give your oppenant the option to mitigate the vindicare and position out of those lines like you want. After the game starts, maneuver shoot your shot and then plays highly aggressively with him his pistol is strong.
SECONDARY MISSION
We are character heavy accept it. Accept they will go fixed. And mitigate it play on the oppenants intent to kill them
FOCUS
Focus on what we can achieve, not we want to or on their heavy threat. There is no point trying to kill that death star brick. We will be hard pressed to kill and be resource heavy. Focus on killing their action, picking scoring, and weaker units and focus them down. Thin their numbers dely the death star.
@@Leighszar Could you please provide an example of a list that you think has synergies and will work?
I see James and the Orks. I smash the like Button WAAAAAGGGHHGHHGHGHHGHGHGHG
Not gonna lie, I was disappointed that they announced this before even doing Eldar, but the fact that Imperial Agents seem to be really, really weak overall only exacerbates that. Definitely feels like they should have let this one simmer a little longer.
I'm partial to the theory that GW is trying to get rid of their back-stock of Kill Team models because this "faction" is embarassing.
@@ArawnNoxthat and make everyone buy a codex to use their assasins
I just want my Harlequin detachment...
Well it's spend money on codex for the assassin's and allies. I also thing agents is abit stronger than they seem. No one has used the actual Detachment in the early games just the niche picks it has what 4 3 are niche 1 of which has potential if deathwatch can carry but the fleet Detachment is the only competitive one on paper also very likely agents is at 2000 points as codex points have always been wrong
They made a codex to put rules for all this models in one place. Their detachments were an afterthought. That and a way to sell more Sisters, Gray Knights and Deathwatch models to imperial players ;-).
The part of me that's old is always happy whenever James keeps the fires of the old faith of "Gets Hot" burning, rejecting this modern "hazardous" heresy.
Name's Mubin, Mubin Talati agent 009 of Imperium
Spoiler from early access :
Everything just as Tzeench planned : Stirred, not shaken
LMFAO 😂
i don’t think i’ve ever seen moobin win
@@TheSkullboy1996 I mean he barely won his thousand son vs dark angels
It's a work in progress.
Not just about winning, its about having fun.
This was a crushing defeat
No wonder. Agents against Tanks or Monster a without any heavy support, absolutely weak.
I cant understand GW. Its easy to fix all the problems with the Agents. Just give them the Army rule: 25% of your army can always be recruited from the imperial Guard.
Then you have Scions, you have Valkyries for a “fleet”, tanks as heavy support and a own army rule as well ;-)
spoilers : The army that has an actual army rule won.
How about letting people watch the match first?
@@BorderCityTabletop how about throating me?
I wonder what that assassin is doing on their spare time to be "ever sore"...
Lots of hard drugs.
Way to show GW that this whole gutting Deathwatch and folding its eviscerated remains into IA was a total disaster.
Also, Gorkanaut and Morkanaut hits on 5s not 4s, that only happens for one phase when the mek uses it's ability on him, and that can only be done if the mek is on the table not embarked on the walker.
He was outside
Imagine if the Imperial Agents got a REAL army rule.
@@Bluecho4 it just needed to be called “Quarry” and be an anti-character rule for all four detachments to draw upon…simple! Not sure how the thought process works at GW tbh, how can they not think to do that to not annoy the fan/player base…
Well, at least some Gray Knights get to see some action.
Or they just teleport around to stand in objectives or corners, i don't know. 🤔
Imagine using 200+ points of termies for objectives, surely nothing is wrong in this sentence...
I really enjopy these videos as a GM enthousiast. Thanks for putting them out for us !
But why was there zero anti tank in that inquisitorial army? Like nothing at all. ??? How were they ever dealing with the Morkonauts?
Every Imperial Agent anti tank options were taken, aka basically none
IA does not have anti-tank
GW did not bother to balance Agents on theire own at all, so they have 0 anti tank options.
I feel like that Corvus Blackstar just doesn't worth its point, I've never seen it done literally anything significant in this show yet this Deathwatch army cost enough points that the Ork can bought 3 dead robots and the entire army of Orkz with them. The Blackstar certaily doesn't worth 3 big mechs when it comes to combat potential
This match was filmed before having real points. We don't know how much will anything cost, so we don't know anything about how strong this army is going to be.
Whoop, there's my howling griphons frag cannon gunner ❤
And my Raven guard heavy bolter gunner. God I love seeing my contribution on the table :)
And the contribution of everyone else too! I aspire to get to their level of painting 👌
good to see orks make it past round 3! its always the breaking or victory point for orks.
fun how james always makkes an interresting list with them.
imperial agents.... dont know what to think about them.
fun game guys!
Callidus Orksassin
Always a good day to see James and the Orcs back
Fun fact: on the screen between battlerounds, the background pictures clearly show that this was a deamons-eldar match. Nice undercover ops 😆
I'm mad I didn't think of that Callidus idea first, 'Evenin' fellow greenskins, wot a luvverly day it iz'
James Jones looking like a heavy duty diesel mechanic fo' show. Keep it up James
Love the orksassin
I knew bringing back a soup faction like this was a bad idea.
Imperial Agents is an embarassment of a codex. I hate GW for gutting my DW.
Prepared to convert for these Ork mechs. I'm in love. 💕
Poor Agents. I really have no clue what the thought process was when they made this army; I suppose a smattering of kill teams wasn't destined for any kind of proper army to begin wtih.
The thought process was "how do we make people pay us 60$ to use their assassins ?"
@@CatroiOz I don't get this conspiracy theory. You can just not use the app, you know. It's not like it's needed.
You said "Ruh-roh Shaggy" like 3 times this game
It’s Raggy! Ruh roh, Raggy! RAGGY DAMMIT! JT why must you torment me so?
I’m confused about all the hazard rolls for the orks. I thought you only had to do that if you bypassed the “try day button” roll which he seemed to not do
Yup, it’s only if you pick. There is no downside to rolling
Some of the strats make the weapons hazardous
Appreciate the Lagwagon hat James!! Good man.
I bought it at the show
Not having seen this battle report yet I predict that le Agents will struggle and suffer alot in this, they have almost nothing that can touch those Gorka/Morkanoughts. Would not be suprised if the Orks will dmg them more with button pushing than enemy fire ^^ . Edit, It would appear I was wrong, Mubin rolling hot just to spite me xD .
Super report, as always!
One simple question: at 38:30, how does the Morkanaut shoot at the callidus on the other side of the ruin? Isn't it supposed to be line-of-sight blocking?
towering. If the model sees it, you can shoot IIRC.
@@AlainPilon 🤯🤯🤯
Thanks! I'm not used to play with or against towering models, I totally forgot this rule
Da James boss is bak!! We Waaaaaghing gud danight bois!!!!
30:20 how the watch master wound on 6 with triple 1 ?!?
What was the purpose of piling in with Zog other than getting him killed?
And no bigger shells on the Gorkanaut to double its damage?
It's nice that you want to give Mubin a chance but a little obvious. :p
😂
Blackstar continues to do nothing but collect dust.
It seems like Imperial Agents is the best army for Knights player's
Where's Mubin's anti tank?
Yeah, I just saw the lists and was like… how is he killing those big vehicles?
Well he has a Blackstar and... thunder hammer from Deathwatch🤦🏻♂️
Yep, that's all🤦🏻♂️
@The_Penguin_8964 Also some melta Sisters. Still not much. The kill team had to stab a Morkanaut to death.
Welcome to IA
@@lurkingedge
First Gorkanaut: Die by Blackstar
Second Gorkanaut: Die by KT
Morkanaut: Alive
Melta sister: we've done nothing...🤦🏻♂️
Loving Brian the Sewer Vent 2.0 as the centre objective!
Awesome video between two legends of the channel. No obnoxious personalities, screaming or cheating. Great one!
I don't tend to find this channel often has any cheating.
I cheated, didn't realize till the edit. Unfortunately sometimes when you're filming games of 40K there are breaks in the action and on turn 5 you forget you advanced your Gorkanaught and used a Strat to shoot, then later on charge with said Gorkanaught forgetting it advanced.
@@JimJones-ur3el I'd say forgetting isn't cheating, only when it's intentional.
I would really appreciate if y'all could show more of the rolls for big units going down. I don't understand how the first Gorkanaut went down when I saw the counter at 11.
Im learning orks, wouldnt 2 gorkanuts be more point efficient then 2 morks? Or is there somthing idk about mechanics as a new player
Yes but I only have 1 gork
Imperial Agents just doesn't seem it man. My heart goes out to the Deathwatch players (all 10 of you).
love seeing those 2nd Edition gretchin! classic models
Super cool game. Those Gretchin are such cool models.
Makes me want to see a classic 2nd Edition battle report.
This codex is so f*cking weak. Especially when you build the army using units meant for the other ordo detachments. Only way to have any chance of success with Imperial Agents is to go all in on one of the ordos and play to those strengths, not take a smattering of various different ordo units, cuz then your just making the majority of your army not benefit from the detachment rule.
Edit: Also doesn't help that Mubin seems to have the worst dice luck of anyone on the channel.
He literally took all of the Deathwatch units... lol
It's even worse, for the most part Mubin actually had some obscenely lucky saving rolls this game.... and still got stomped
@@JoobyFoo well afaik Kill Teams are battleline so 6 were possible, there were just 2 though
Mr. entitative is back! wondering where he was. WAAAAAGH
I want a to start a Death Skulls army, with Dread Mob being the base for my build (lots of Meks, God I love Meks) and then this little sneaky video pops out and now it looks like I won’t have money to buy groceries for the next 3 months. Papa needs some plastic!
I’m a novice at 40k but I’ve been watching these episodes for years now and I’ve noticed when you go 1st you have the advantage and you can shoot with all your assets. When I see them say “oh I want to go 2nd” usually leads to assets lost with 0 help to the game.
no really. In typical games when using GW terrain layout, there is a lot of spot to hide and between reserve and buildings, you can generally hide everything valuable unless you play a horde army. In the current Pariah Nexus meta, a few of the missions are WAY easier to do if you play second as you will score at the end of turn 5 which is a huge advantage. This is why experienced players prefer to play second.
James' orks slap❤
Thanks😊
6:16 there it is
Headphone warning if you’ve not watched Orks yet
Great game, really enjoyed it 👍🏻👍🏻
To a proper sendoff for one of the lore's greatest Astartes chapters! You will be honored here in the halls of the Imperial Agents
hell yeah james back, james been MIA for minute
Orks Orks Orks!!
(who knew they could shoot and actually hit?!)
Great episode
That calidus is super sneaky!
James offsets Mubin 😂😂😂
Ere we GO
You guys are great. I watch your vids on my phone and i cant see the numbers on the black dice. But its still fun to see the results on the table
Good gods, it’s “rug roh RAGGY”
hmmm, ill see your DAKKA, and raise you, DAKKA DAKKA. your move, competitor.
DAKKA, DAKKA, DAKKA, TEEEFF. Your move😂
what is that counter that he is using for the ork army? I'd love to get a few of those.
Greetings again from Illinois!
So next one will be the new blood angels?
I don’t fully understand how the codex works. So why can they bring sisters AND a chimera? Can Agents just bring ANY Sisters, Guard, Deathwatch, and Grey Knights?
hot ork action
Welcome to the new Deadwatch 😞
Yesterday I played my last game of Black Spear DW and destroyed my Ultramarine opponent. A worthy farewell.
Still GW really fucked the DW up. No two ways about it.
I need help, what is the name of that model in the death watch group that looks like a space wolf holding a flag, I keep hearing them call him watch master Artemis but I can't find the model
He was actually a model converted by a member of the Play On community for the Community Death Watch army. He's not an official Artemis model but he's so cool I had to use him as one!
Could imperial knights and agents be a good matchup?
Are sisters allowed in a chimera? I think it’s just inquisitors and henchmen allowed
What happened at 10:42? Is that a old ability of the callidus assassin because i can't find it?
What are the files for those wound trackers they use? Would love to print some but can’t find anything similar.
Intense battle super awesome battle
Agents vs 3 super heavies? Not great odds...
Did anyone see what the redacted model was? As soon as they dropped the redaction I couldn’t see it.
That looted gorkinought (gorkin knight?) looks freaking sweet.
I’m confused, if you pile in to a new enemy unit, that unit can fight you? I thought you couldn’t
What a stomp
JAMES JAMES JAMES
Great episode!
Would love to know where the ORK-ssassin came from....
Just like my dear Harlequins, GW fucked the Deathwatch. I'm baffled by how many bad decisions they can make on a row, my god
I am excited for the Assassins
How did the Gorkanaut advance and then charge the breachers? I know it can shoot because of the super fueled boiler but I didn’t think it could charge as well? 39:07
It does not allow him to charge and it was an error from James that was caught a little too late. Mubin has graciously forgiven him and has challenged Mr. Initiative to a rematch....maybe some Tsons v Space Wolves?
Botched by me
Did anyone else notice that the end of round score board has chaos demons vs eldar as the background images not orks vs imp agents?