The scanlines only seem to be there on 240hz and in the oranges/yellows as well as blues. If you drop it down to 120hz there are no scanlines. Hopefully that means it can be patched out because they’re definitely annoying.
Did you try to use custom frequencies in a gpu driver like 230, 220, 210, 200, 190? Maybe scanlines will disappear at 230 or 190 hz instead of using 120 hz.
Unfortunately it's a legacy problem with Samsung, but the problem only occurs typically at 200hz and up so honestly it's not to bad of a problem unless you play at 1080 or 1440 for the frames
I wrote samsung because of that and they said that its "a Nvidia Bug" and the support couldn´t tell me if its fixed. Maybe folks with AMD Cards don´t have these scanlines
@@G-O-A-M I verified again very attentively. Some scanlines are present in a specific blue color (not in any blue but only in one of them), otherwise I can't see them at 240 hz by using RTX 3080 TI. AMD I didn't try.
*** Here is all my favorite settings list of both SDR and HDR *** I tell you guys this Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 is very good monitor. But... You have to know how to work the options on the monitor itself to be able to get these visuals! But if you got the G7 Neo model then just try see if that good for you... This is very important settings with " Saturation " this give more color for to both SDR and HDR. Well, best settings is Saturation with 58 or 60 or 70. I use 70 for both SDR and HDR. Depending on which movies or games to run. See and test what is fit well best. Also important that " Local Dimming " to High or Auto. Sometimes better use with High and sometimes better use Auto, depend on. But you need use both High and Auto, However use often with High. If you like can use also with Low, but i never use Low. "Local Dimming" is important for both SDR and HDR. This thing has do with Mini-LED. You can change " Contrast Enhancer " On or Off, if you like it. " Black Equalizer " 13 is great but you can change from 9 to 16 or up to 20 if you like it. 9 to 16 is great " Contrast " with 75 and 80, 90 and 100 fine. You can change Gamma Mode 1 or 2 or 3. I use 1 and 2. Even you can change " Color Tone " I use Normal and Warm 1 and Natural. " Adaptive-Sync " is On this is good thing so you can use with G-Sync Compatible to enable if you wanna it. But make sure turn off V-Sync in game. If off G-Sync, you can use V-Sync. I don't use G-Sync due they are not support to all games also i don't need that. You can have " Adaptive-Sync " on and without use G-Sync and just enable V-Sync. If you turn off " Adaptive-Sync " You can use with " Response Time " and " Low Input Lag ". I don't use " Low Input Lag " Just keep on " Adaptive-Sync ". If you turn on " Adaptive-Sync " will work run with G-Sync or FreeSync. HDMI or DisplayPort both work to run with G-Sync or FreeSync. My " VRR Control " is On. Well better use with HDMI than DP. HDMI can get 12-bit color, with a lot color than 10-bit. But make sure set on output color depth 12-bit SDR in PC. This monitor model HDMI 2.1 get only 120Hz max at 4K. If guys wanna run with DisplayPort at 240 Hz but get only 10-bit color. This monitor support 12 bit color, That Amazing... If you run HDMI on PC and don't forget turn off HDMI audio in Nvidia Control Panel or in Sound Control Panel, If you wanna use from motherboard audio ports or PC sound card. If you have problem monitor like when is flickering or glitching or other just turn off power in OSD buttons then turn on power. If this not help then just restart PC in Windows. Then is all good again. I think DP is better than HDMI for that Samsung Neo Odyssey G8. Almost zero issues for flickering or nothing at all. I think HDMI got more issue. This is just small problem, not big deal. I did try only with PC Windows DP & HDMI. I don't know about with Consoles at HDMI if have problem with flickering or other. I did read from someone comment and he said about Scanlines problem.. =========================================================================== What i learned watching hours of reviews 240HZ = GAMING ONLY (Scanlines are not noticeable while gaming ) 120HZ = OFFICE WORK / VIDEO (Eliminates scanlines) *Get used to scaling your MONTIOR depending on the type of work you are doing. *SWITCH TO 240hz while GAMING * SWITCH TO 120hz while doing OFFICE WORK =========================================================================== You know that settings on SDR will have different settings save from HDR on, If you run HDR will have other settings save. So you can have two options SDR and HDR settings for saves. Great right? ---- Like Viktor say: You have to know how to work the options on the monitor itself to be able to get these visuals! By Viktors Reality Name TH-cam video: ODYSSEY NEO G8 4K 240hz CoreSync XBOX Cyberpunk 2077 --- Make sure change " OnScreen Display " > " Display Time " to 200 sec You should know they all my settings Picture Mode like Custom, FPS, RTS and ect ect mean just like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Just pick what fit well for right now. So this all my favorite settings list for SDR and HDR -------------------------------- This one settings is good when someone is tired on the eyes or feel too strong for light. Picture Mode Custom Brightness 43 between 80 43 or 65 or 80 is good Contrast 75 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 or 3 Saturation 50 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming Auto SDR Or you can keep same at brightness 100, then change settings, Eye Care> Adaptive Picture On Min. Backlight 10 between 0 -------------------------------- Picture Mode FPS Brightness 100 Contrast 75 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode RTS Brightness 100 Contrast 90 or 100 Sharpness 72 or 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 16 Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode RPG Brightness 100 Contrast 90 or 100 Sharpness 72 or 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer On or Off Black Equalizer 16 or 13 Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode Sports Brightness 100 Contrast 100 or 90 or 80 or 75 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Warm 1 Red 50 Green 46 Blue 40 Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode sRGB Brightness 100 Contrast ** Sharpness 60 Color Tone ** Red ** Green ** Blue ** Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 80 or 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode Cinema Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 54 Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer On Black Equalizer ** Local Dimming High SDR -------------------------------- This settings for HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode Custom Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 Saturation 50 or 58 Contrast Enhancer off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode FPS Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode RTS Brightness 100 Contrast 90 or 100 Sharpness 72 or 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 16 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode RPG Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Natural Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50 Gamma Mode 2 or 1 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer On Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode Sports Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Warm 1 Red 50 Green 46 Blue 40 Gamma Mode 2 or 1 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer On Black Equalizer 10 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode sRGB Brightness 100 Contrast ** Sharpness 60 Color Tone ** Red ** Green ** Blue ** Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 80 or 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer Off Black Equalizer 13 Local Dimming High HDR -------------------------------- Picture Mode Cinema Brightness 100 Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100 Sharpness 60 Color Tone Normal Red 50 Green 50 Blue 54 Gamma Mode 1 or 2 Saturation 70 or 58 Contrast Enhancer On Black Equalizer ** Local Dimming High HDR
I have this monitor, so I love the criticism. Whenever I look for reviews, I don't just want the good stuff. I prefer the bad stuff, but overall, this was a great review. I picked this monitor like you said for mainly gaming, not for daily productivity, so after your review, this made it even better knowing I made the perfect choice by choosing this monitor for gaming and I don't regret it one bit 👍🏻
Great review as always. To be fair, Hardware Unboxed has already posted a non-sponsored review critical of the monitor. but I do prefer yours. Also, the channels you mentioned have zero credibility, we need more reviewers like you, I hope you keep growing subscribers.
I felt like HWUB got a really bad sample of the G8 and very lucky with the G7, they bought theirs from America and from my experience batches sent to America tend to have a looser quality control compared to batches sent to Australia and even Japan, they both have a lot more robust and stricter consumer protection laws, companies are very wary of selling things to Australia at times, knowing that they'll lose money if things isn't done right in the first place. The reason why Steam now allow refunds because the Australian government makes it mandatory. So depending on where you live you might get a really good or bad batches of Neo G8 and G7's.
@@someoneintheinternet7443 I know that's why they said they bought thiers from B&H America (American batch stock) since the Neo G7/G8 is not released in Australia yet.
besides the knowledge and work u put into your videos, I hugely and massively appreciate the fact that u don't put music in the background !! honestly thank u, man. Thank you !!
This time this is mostly a great review. It would be nice to see the comparison between monitors side by side, not separately and with comments where and when the picture is better or worse.
The hard to see in dark areas isnt more realistic, its just this monitor has heavy black crushing to get better black levels to compete with OLED making it hard to see details in the darker areas. You can raise it to where its not crushed but then it just looks washed out
Yeah there is definitely some black crushing when black level is set to low. But I don’t want to turn it off cause I’m afraid of missing out on some darkness, it’s really the only caveat of this monitor.
When you stated this isn't a competitive monitor I disagree, I have a 3090 TI and on Apex I get 240FPS and the input lag is non existent. I love this monitor and for racing games or any RPG's I use a 42 inch lg C2. I just think unless you go Oled this is the best monitor money can buy.
His point on the realistic dark areas is valid but doesn’t affect everyone. I only play shooters and do damn well with the G8. I just had to get used to the curve coming from flat monitors and also the image quality. It’s so good that I sometimes do a double take instead of focusing on what I need to
I just picked mine up for just under $1200 after taxes on Samsungs website! I’m extremely excited, since I’m coming from a 2017 1080p120hz Asus monitor! On my journey to this, I tested out a G7 and G70A for 2 weeks each, but I think this is my final monitor buy for the next few years.
@@jamesbrothers7499 honestly, the monitor is great. I didn’t have any of the problems other people reported, such as the scan lines or the curve being too much. However, I will admit that I wish I went with the 49” Neo G9 instead. After the first 4 months, I really wish I grabbed two G7’s or even G5’s instead of one of these just because you get used to the 32” really quickly and it didn’t feel like enough monitor for me. Anywho, the performance is great, the colors and contrast are pretty amazing and being able to have many different profiles for SDR vs HDR content is very useful. It meshed perfectly fine with my PC and my Xbox, too!
Preordered this yesterday. It arrives next week. My 3090 is going from working with a flat 4k Acer 60hz non-HDR non-Gsync display to this… can’t wait to see the difference
@@vincentramos1938 I returned it and got a 42 inch LG C2. The Samsung had too many little issues like scanlines and flickering. It’s a shame because playing at 240hz was amazing but those issues, on menus especially, were too annoying for the cost of it.
You can adjust in game brightness to see dark areas clearly if you want to be more "competitive" so I don't think that's a real downside of this monitor.
Dude what's with the camera moving while we're looking at the monitor? The demo is already very active and includes moving objects. When you also move the camera, it creates a really unpleasant experience.
I just got one. I don't see any scan lines yet, I believe it's an overheat problem seeing others deal with it. It's amazing that they managed 240hz and it worked thru my 48gbs HDMI cable as well in a 5700xt. Competitive gamers won't care at all about true blacks , they turn off most settings and crank the brightness and NOT game in 4k I'm not convinced on curved yet, but there's no flat alternative yet, but I think it also helps keep the viewing angles at best angles for the panel.
Yes 48gbs 240hz it's great. Just sometimes wonder (not pointing at anybody here 🙏) r reviewers just copy paste others & call it a day. Such a shame... Found same lack of info about my LG C1 so did the same for my C2 OLED, just can't remember what EXACTLY it was, but a big one aswell. This is the whole reason why, I'm commenting...
@@christianspring5911 I'm on a 4090. Would you recommend using an HDMI 2.1 cable with this instead of DP? Isn't there DSC as well with HDMI so it'd essentially be the same thing between DP or HDMI?
Your gpu won’t really matter. Even at 3440x1440 you won’t top the 175hz in triple A games. Not without DLSS. I have a 3090ti and the aw3423dw. Only game I’m maxing the 175 is Cold War with DLSS. Titles like rdr2 gets about 80-100.
One persistent problem I have had with the Neo G8 is that it won't allow booting in HDMI 2.0. You either have to boot in HDMI 1.4 and then switch to HDMI 2.0 or (oddly) open the OSD and then reboot. I have seen this annoying quirk mentioned elsewhere. Happens with all cables, many graphics card and systems. The OSD is not that easy to get to (like if you have a soundbar).
Just got this for a couple days and found that the scan line issue only happens when I set VRR to on. If I keep it off then I don't get any scan line at all even at 240hz. I do confused about why adaptive sync and VRR are 2 different settings tho but looked up the manual it says that the VRR setting is there to be turned on if you experience screen flickering which I don't see any so I'm going to keep it off. About the matte coating tho, yes I see the same kind of "rainbow" effect on mine as well but maybe because I've used the BenQ VA panel for years that also has kind of the same issue, I quickly not noticing it doing stuffs and I do use the monitor for both content consumption and work. Overall, a very good HDR monitor with fantastic picture quality. Sad that it doesn't come with USB-C port but I'd still recommend getting one if you found a good deal.
Only the blacks , the blacks will look gray's with the ambient lights on , when u game in dark room everything back to normal, and also the colors are not than shiny like glossy panels
I got one about a month ago. No scanlines at 240hz so maybe they have fixed this!? It is a crazy monitor tho, hitting 240hz on COD with a 4090 is as good a gaming experience as I can imagine! I am a very happy chappy!
Yooo no scanlines really bro??? I wanna pick one up bro. In your opinion do u think I should, I’ve never used a curved monitor so I’m scared I won’t like it, and is there really no more scanlines??
@Shoto 999 yo yo.....I defo cannot see any scan lines at 240 on mine. However it seems I'm in the minority saying this so could be worth checking one out in a store first....but.... You absolutely cannot see anything negative while gaming and 4k at 240 is crazy shiny!!
@@davestebbing2278 perfect man and in terms of the curve is it absurdly noticeable or not really. And will things like TH-cam and other applications look just as crisp as gaming. Thanks so much again man for such a fast response your a legend
@Shoto 999 the curve is real. Again I'd say check one with a 1000r curve in a shop as it did take a couple days to get used to it. But I couldn't go back now I'm used to it. Feels like your IN the game more than a flat screen.
@@davestebbing2278 gottya bro appreciate the help man :) one last last thing I don’t know about you but me personally I play a lot of emulators eg ds/3ds emulators. With those emulators there’s black bars on the side of the screen to try make it look like the respective consoles. If you have played a emulator on it bro could you be brutally honest on how the game/ screen looks. Thanks so much again man your a absolute legend
Hey, i really Love your Videos! So good structured and organized. I Want to buy a Monitor for Home Office (Good Text clarity) and also Gaming. Can you help which one would be Good for this use? Thanks so much
wouldn't mind getting one, did you find the mount wobble quite a bit? on linus review it seemed to wobble a lot. The predator one i'm using now seems quite solid but don't want to drop the coin on this if its a wobbling mess. EDIT, I continued watching and it is a wobble fest. What a shame... Thanks for the truthfull review
I am trying to decide between this and the Alienware screen and honestly I usually prefer 16x9. I have a 3080ti and new pc in general all around so neither should be hard to drive for me. However I have heard you need a dedicated Gsync chip in a monitor to get full gsync/HDR experience. I believe even Linus mentions that in the ALienware video. What was your experience with it having an Nvidia card yourself?
I have this monitor on a asus rog strix 4090 oc and I haven't seen a single scan line yet. Perhaps the 3080s were just under powered for the display? And I run 240hz.
Hey Type-C, just found your channel and appreciate the commentary about the monitor. Sadly looking for a monitor that is the right balance between work/play (I work from home) and it sounds like this isn't going to be it. Thanks for the good opinions!
Dog I love your channel and this was an awesome review. Can you help me out and direct me to where I can get that screensaver you got there? It’s pretty immaculate. Thanks.
Just got mine and my scanlines are only on yellow/orange colors. Very hard to see them I have to bring my head about a foot away to notice. Overall I like the monitor a lot so far.
Should I consider this monitor in 2024? Currently in my country it is available for the equivalent of $995. Also have any of the issues like scanlines gotten better over time with firmware updates?
Just got this for PS5 gaming and I have to say it's phenomenal. If you are like me and want to play super competitive games, I would suggest turning the local dimming feature off. If it's on, your response time goes up to 15ms from the normal 3ms it has with it off. Even without it the quality of the image is amazing. If you don't play super competitively then you can keep it on.
We have a few racks that some of them sit on if I feel I may need them for comparisons in future videos. But besides that we usually sell them after the review on EBay, it definitely doesn’t recoup all the value but it’s better than just having them sitting around.
@@TypeCTechReviews any chance you do some international shipping? I live in argentina and here we don't get to buy any of the new monitors. I could pay through paypal
Tell me im looking at this wrong. 1. I like that the samsung has an audio jack and blue tooth. Does the dell have it? 2. Samsung can go much brighter. Is the dell bright enough tho? My room is right beside a window so im worried dell wont be bright enough since it has a glossy finish. 3. With some tweeking, can the Samsung come looking as good as the dell? In conclusion, the blue tooth, jack and brightness plus the 1000r curve points to Samsung as the winner. Now dell has better color. But if Samsung can be tweeked. Does that mean samsung is still better?
I've ordered one of these, should get it in the next couple of days, lucky for me I'm more than happy with 120hz (its what I game at currently and the 240hz is the least looked after feature for me).
@@vibesnovibes6320 So far, excellent, even the scanlines at 240 are all but invisible unless I put my nose to the screen and look at certain colors at a certain brightness. So even though I'd be fine with 120 where there are none, I've surprised myself by playing with 240 mode anyway. The color is excellent, silky smooth in games, the best contrast ration I have ever gamed with.
@@theredrighthand1258 hey man I have been dying researching about monitors and do you think this monitor can game at 1440p 120hz or even 4K 120hz since I have a ps5 ? Sorry I’m new to this stuff
I have the Philips Evnia 25M2N3200W which is VA panel too. It's 1080p, 240 hz and I've faced scanlines in the blue, orange colors. Idk maybe it's VA panel thing.
How image quality compare against the alienware qd-oled? I know contrast and colors are supposed to be better on the oled but pixel density is way better on the neo g8, which one would you choose for hdr single player games in a dark room?
I suppose it depends where the colors are better. In the bright spots the colors are better in Samsung than in OLED because OLED can't reach that level of brightness (white is white but in OLED the white is more slightly grey than white or there is a bluish tint in OLED that is unnatural and it is applicable to all the colors, the red is more bright red in Samsung than pale red in OLED etc) but in dark scenes it's vice versa, OLED is a winner. Most games have more bright scenes than dark ones, so the colors are better in Samsung but in horror movies/games they are better in OLED without almost any blooming (it exists in OLED ! but its blooming from adjacent bright pixels is very small and in Samsung it noticable but not too much, it is true).
Yeah you’re right Future Proofing! what if Sony releases a PlayStation five pro that can push 190 Hz at 4K so with the neo G8 I have the extra Hz to spare
i love samsung monitors they check all the boxes but one, all the good ones are curved man! so I have not purchased a samsung gaming monitor over 10 years because of the curve…..
Just get a display that is best looking than best performing for PS5 since you are going to be limited with PS5's 125/250Hz USB and BT polling rate, joystick limitation, vsync and aim assist interference.
I noticed with the monitor I get like flickering greys when on youtube around the videos or in the grey box with "show more" not sure what is causing this.
The scanlines only seem to be there on 240hz and in the oranges/yellows as well as blues. If you drop it down to 120hz there are no scanlines. Hopefully that means it can be patched out because they’re definitely annoying.
Did you try to use custom frequencies in a gpu driver like 230, 220, 210, 200, 190? Maybe scanlines will disappear at 230 or 190 hz instead of using 120 hz.
Unfortunately it's a legacy problem with Samsung, but the problem only occurs typically at 200hz and up so honestly it's not to bad of a problem unless you play at 1080 or 1440 for the frames
@@GiveMeYoSammich On G9 Neo I don't have any scanlines. Maybe it was patched, I began to verify them on 1008 or 1011 versions.
I wrote samsung because of that and they said that its "a Nvidia Bug" and the support couldn´t tell me if its fixed. Maybe folks with AMD Cards don´t have these scanlines
@@G-O-A-M I verified again very attentively. Some scanlines are present in a specific blue color (not in any blue but only in one of them), otherwise I can't see them at 240 hz by using RTX 3080 TI. AMD I didn't try.
Honestly one of the best monitors ever used, the colors almost match oled which is amazing, didn’t have any issues with scanlines.
*** Here is all my favorite settings list of both SDR and HDR ***
I tell you guys this Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 is very good monitor.
But...
You have to know how to work the options on the monitor itself to be able to get these visuals!
But if you got the G7 Neo model then just try see if that good for you...
This is very important settings with " Saturation " this give more color for to both SDR and HDR.
Well, best settings is Saturation with 58 or 60 or 70.
I use 70 for both SDR and HDR.
Depending on which movies or games to run.
See and test what is fit well best.
Also important that " Local Dimming " to High or Auto.
Sometimes better use with High and sometimes better use Auto, depend on.
But you need use both High and Auto, However use often with High.
If you like can use also with Low, but i never use Low.
"Local Dimming" is important for both SDR and HDR.
This thing has do with Mini-LED.
You can change " Contrast Enhancer " On or Off, if you like it.
" Black Equalizer " 13 is great but you can change from 9 to 16 or up to 20 if you like it.
9 to 16 is great
" Contrast " with 75 and 80, 90 and 100 fine.
You can change Gamma Mode 1 or 2 or 3.
I use 1 and 2.
Even you can change " Color Tone "
I use Normal and Warm 1 and Natural.
" Adaptive-Sync " is On this is good thing so you can use with G-Sync Compatible to enable if you wanna it.
But make sure turn off V-Sync in game.
If off G-Sync, you can use V-Sync.
I don't use G-Sync due they are not support to all games also i don't need that.
You can have " Adaptive-Sync " on and without use G-Sync and just enable V-Sync.
If you turn off " Adaptive-Sync " You can use with " Response Time " and " Low Input Lag ".
I don't use " Low Input Lag " Just keep on " Adaptive-Sync ".
If you turn on " Adaptive-Sync " will work run with G-Sync or FreeSync.
HDMI or DisplayPort both work to run with G-Sync or FreeSync.
My " VRR Control " is On.
Well better use with HDMI than DP.
HDMI can get 12-bit color, with a lot color than 10-bit.
But make sure set on output color depth 12-bit SDR in PC.
This monitor model HDMI 2.1 get only 120Hz max at 4K.
If guys wanna run with DisplayPort at 240 Hz but get only 10-bit color.
This monitor support 12 bit color, That Amazing...
If you run HDMI on PC and don't forget turn off HDMI audio in Nvidia Control Panel or in Sound Control Panel, If you wanna use from motherboard audio ports or PC sound card.
If you have problem monitor like when is flickering or glitching or other just turn off power in OSD buttons then turn on power.
If this not help then just restart PC in Windows.
Then is all good again.
I think DP is better than HDMI for that Samsung Neo Odyssey G8.
Almost zero issues for flickering or nothing at all.
I think HDMI got more issue.
This is just small problem, not big deal.
I did try only with PC Windows DP & HDMI.
I don't know about with Consoles at HDMI if have problem with flickering or other.
I did read from someone comment and he said about Scanlines problem..
===========================================================================
What i learned watching hours of reviews
240HZ = GAMING ONLY (Scanlines are not noticeable while gaming )
120HZ = OFFICE WORK / VIDEO (Eliminates scanlines)
*Get used to scaling your MONTIOR depending on the type of work you are doing.
*SWITCH TO 240hz while GAMING
* SWITCH TO 120hz while doing OFFICE WORK
===========================================================================
You know that settings on SDR will have different settings save from HDR on, If you run HDR will have other settings save.
So you can have two options SDR and HDR settings for saves. Great right?
----
Like Viktor say:
You have to know how to work the options on the monitor itself to be able to get these visuals!
By
Viktors Reality
Name TH-cam video:
ODYSSEY NEO G8 4K 240hz CoreSync XBOX Cyberpunk 2077
---
Make sure change " OnScreen Display " > " Display Time " to 200 sec
You should know they all my settings Picture Mode like Custom, FPS,
RTS and ect ect mean just like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Just pick what fit well for right now.
So this all my favorite settings list for SDR and HDR
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This one settings is good when someone is tired on the eyes or feel too strong for light.
Picture Mode Custom
Brightness 43 between 80
43 or 65 or 80 is good
Contrast 75
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1 or 3
Saturation 50 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming Auto
SDR
Or you can keep same at brightness 100, then change settings,
Eye Care>
Adaptive Picture On
Min. Backlight 10 between 0
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Picture Mode FPS
Brightness 100
Contrast 75
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
SDR
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Picture Mode RTS
Brightness 100
Contrast 90 or 100
Sharpness 72 or 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 16
Local Dimming High
SDR
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Picture Mode RPG
Brightness 100
Contrast 90 or 100
Sharpness 72 or 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer On or Off
Black Equalizer 16 or 13
Local Dimming High
SDR
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Picture Mode Sports
Brightness 100
Contrast 100 or 90 or 80 or 75
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Warm 1
Red 50 Green 46 Blue 40
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
SDR
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Picture Mode sRGB
Brightness 100
Contrast **
Sharpness 60
Color Tone **
Red ** Green ** Blue **
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 80 or 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
SDR
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Picture Mode Cinema
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 54
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer On
Black Equalizer **
Local Dimming High
SDR
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This settings for HDR
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Picture Mode Custom
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1
Saturation 50 or 58
Contrast Enhancer off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode FPS
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode RTS
Brightness 100
Contrast 90 or 100
Sharpness 72 or 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 16
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode RPG
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Natural
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 50
Gamma Mode 2 or 1
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer On
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode Sports
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Warm 1
Red 50 Green 46 Blue 40
Gamma Mode 2 or 1
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer On
Black Equalizer 10
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode sRGB
Brightness 100
Contrast **
Sharpness 60
Color Tone **
Red ** Green ** Blue **
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 80 or 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer Off
Black Equalizer 13
Local Dimming High
HDR
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Picture Mode Cinema
Brightness 100
Contrast 75 or 80 or 90 or 100
Sharpness 60
Color Tone Normal
Red 50 Green 50 Blue 54
Gamma Mode 1 or 2
Saturation 70 or 58
Contrast Enhancer On
Black Equalizer **
Local Dimming High
HDR
I love the fact he states his review is unbiased at the beginning of the video. I bought 2 XB283K monitors because of him. Keep it up.
love the transparency and jabs at other creators good to know
I have this monitor, so I love the criticism. Whenever I look for reviews, I don't just want the good stuff. I prefer the bad stuff, but overall, this was a great review. I picked this monitor like you said for mainly gaming, not for daily productivity, so after your review, this made it even better knowing I made the perfect choice by choosing this monitor for gaming and I don't regret it one bit 👍🏻
Great review as always. To be fair, Hardware Unboxed has already posted a non-sponsored review critical of the monitor. but I do prefer yours. Also, the channels you mentioned have zero credibility, we need more reviewers like you, I hope you keep growing subscribers.
I think when he filmed HWUB did not have their review out yet.
I felt like HWUB got a really bad sample of the G8 and very lucky with the G7, they bought theirs from America and from my experience batches sent to America tend to have a looser quality control compared to batches sent to Australia and even Japan, they both have a lot more robust and stricter consumer protection laws, companies are very wary of selling things to Australia at times, knowing that they'll lose money if things isn't done right in the first place. The reason why Steam now allow refunds because the Australian government makes it mandatory. So depending on where you live you might get a really good or bad batches of Neo G8 and G7's.
@@paul2609 irony because hwub is australian.
@@someoneintheinternet7443 I know that's why they said they bought thiers from B&H America (American batch stock) since the Neo G7/G8 is not released in Australia yet.
Your reviews never fail me. Good guy, great work.
Thank you, so glad you enjoy!
besides the knowledge and work u put into your videos, I hugely and massively appreciate the fact that u don't put music in the background !!
honestly thank u, man. Thank you !!
I'm actually surprised that none of the reviewers r commenting about HDMI 2.1 12BIT 240HZ is actually possible on this monitor. (PC)
This time this is mostly a great review. It would be nice to see the comparison between monitors side by side, not separately and with comments where and when the picture is better or worse.
I would buy this now if i had the money its what i have been waiting for years for a monitor like this. The Neo G7 dont suffer with the scanlines
The hard to see in dark areas isnt more realistic, its just this monitor has heavy black crushing to get better black levels to compete with OLED making it hard to see details in the darker areas. You can raise it to where its not crushed but then it just looks washed out
Yeah there is definitely some black crushing when black level is set to low. But I don’t want to turn it off cause I’m afraid of missing out on some darkness, it’s really the only caveat of this monitor.
When you stated this isn't a competitive monitor I disagree, I have a 3090 TI and on Apex I get 240FPS and the input lag is non existent. I love this monitor and for racing games or any RPG's I use a 42 inch lg C2. I just think unless you go Oled this is the best monitor money can buy.
His point on the realistic dark areas is valid but doesn’t affect everyone. I only play shooters and do damn well with the G8. I just had to get used to the curve coming from flat monitors and also the image quality. It’s so good that I sometimes do a double take instead of focusing on what I need to
What he meant by “competitive monitor” is 1080p 360 Hz or 240Hz with DyAc etc.
I just picked mine up for just under $1200 after taxes on Samsungs website! I’m extremely excited, since I’m coming from a 2017 1080p120hz Asus monitor! On my journey to this, I tested out a G7 and G70A for 2 weeks each, but I think this is my final monitor buy for the next few years.
Is it still doing you well? Out of curiosity
@@jamesbrothers7499 honestly, the monitor is great. I didn’t have any of the problems other people reported, such as the scan lines or the curve being too much.
However, I will admit that I wish I went with the 49” Neo G9 instead. After the first 4 months, I really wish I grabbed two G7’s or even G5’s instead of one of these just because you get used to the 32” really quickly and it didn’t feel like enough monitor for me.
Anywho, the performance is great, the colors and contrast are pretty amazing and being able to have many different profiles for SDR vs HDR content is very useful. It meshed perfectly fine with my PC and my Xbox, too!
Preordered this yesterday. It arrives next week. My 3090 is going from working with a flat 4k Acer 60hz non-HDR non-Gsync display to this… can’t wait to see the difference
So, how big is it ?
@@vincentramos1938 I returned it and got a 42 inch LG C2. The Samsung had too many little issues like scanlines and flickering. It’s a shame because playing at 240hz was amazing but those issues, on menus especially, were too annoying for the cost of it.
@@ggamer7830 when did it flicker?
You can adjust in game brightness to see dark areas clearly if you want to be more "competitive" so I don't think that's a real downside of this monitor.
No need to, this monitor has black level equalizer that you can adjust.
@@paul2609 Yes, that is also an option if you want it to apply to all games and not specific to just one.
Dude what's with the camera moving while we're looking at the monitor? The demo is already very active and includes moving objects. When you also move the camera, it creates a really unpleasant experience.
Thanks for a good and honest review, especially like the non-gaming part which is often missed out on. Subscribed.
I just got one. I don't see any scan lines yet, I believe it's an overheat problem seeing others deal with it.
It's amazing that they managed 240hz and it worked thru my 48gbs HDMI cable as well in a 5700xt.
Competitive gamers won't care at all about true blacks , they turn off most settings and crank the brightness and NOT game in 4k
I'm not convinced on curved yet, but there's no flat alternative yet, but I think it also helps keep the viewing angles at best angles for the panel.
Yes 48gbs 240hz it's great. Just sometimes wonder (not pointing at anybody here 🙏) r reviewers just copy paste others & call it a day. Such a shame...
Found same lack of info about my LG C1 so did the same for my C2 OLED, just can't remember what EXACTLY it was, but a big one aswell. This is the whole reason why, I'm commenting...
@@christianspring5911 I'm on a 4090. Would you recommend using an HDMI 2.1 cable with this instead of DP? Isn't there DSC as well with HDMI so it'd essentially be the same thing between DP or HDMI?
@@sptz87 with hdmi 2.1 we can set, up to 12 bit,. So I presume HDMI 2.1 is much better than DP 1.4.
Thanks for a great review! I just ordered one of these, so now i know a little more about exactly what I'm up for :D
I'm debating should I buy this one or wait for the oled version
Very impress on your review very detailed the best!
Will it be a good choice for mac mini m4?
Good review mate, just so you’re aware, the first proper non sponsored video was from hardware unboxed
I am debating between this or the QD-oled ALIENWARE the choice the choices , i have rtx3080ti so idk what to choose
Your gpu won’t really matter. Even at 3440x1440 you won’t top the 175hz in triple A games. Not without DLSS.
I have a 3090ti and the aw3423dw. Only game I’m maxing the 175 is Cold War with DLSS. Titles like rdr2 gets about 80-100.
@@jabedahmed8177 Hey how is your experience with the alienware ? any big problem? I'm waiting mine, but the NEO g7 and g8 got my attention.
@@IronmanToday sold it for Lg c2, I prefer 16:9. Would have kept if I liked ultra wide more than I thought I would.
I stumbled this channel by accident, love ur videos
Thank you, glad you enjoy!
Great video dude!
Would you please mind linking your lighting you use in that room?? They’re all super aesthetic I love them.
First time watching your videos and subscribe to you man. Great review. I just purchased mine and you made me feel better on it !
The Scan lines is a deal breaker for me. Can you please update your description if you ever find out that it's not an issue with all panels? Thanks!
Pretty much every G8 has them. G7, on the other hand, doesn't.
One persistent problem I have had with the Neo G8 is that it won't allow booting in HDMI 2.0. You either have to boot in HDMI 1.4 and then switch to HDMI 2.0 or (oddly) open the OSD and then reboot. I have seen this annoying quirk mentioned elsewhere. Happens with all cables, many graphics card and systems. The OSD is not that easy to get to (like if you have a soundbar).
you dont have a 4090 , that is your problem
good review.. i got it for 1099 from amazon awhile back. stand is flimsy but i use a monitor arm
You might consider talking to samsung about the brightness issue. Rtings got at least 340 with local dimming disabled.
For the price of this monitor you can get the Alienware QD-Oled 34"...
Great review. Is there a update driver for this monitor as the hdr looks horrible
Just got this for a couple days and found that the scan line issue only happens when I set VRR to on. If I keep it off then I don't get any scan line at all even at 240hz. I do confused about why adaptive sync and VRR are 2 different settings tho but looked up the manual it says that the VRR setting is there to be turned on if you experience screen flickering which I don't see any so I'm going to keep it off.
About the matte coating tho, yes I see the same kind of "rainbow" effect on mine as well but maybe because I've used the BenQ VA panel for years that also has kind of the same issue, I quickly not noticing it doing stuffs and I do use the monitor for both content consumption and work. Overall, a very good HDR monitor with fantastic picture quality. Sad that it doesn't come with USB-C port but I'd still recommend getting one if you found a good deal.
Thanks for the review! Will you be reviewing and comparing the Neo G7?
Glad you enjoyed! I’ll definitely be trying too!
Hey, that is a super nice review thanks. Is the coating of the screen worsening the picture quality in any way?
Only the blacks , the blacks will look gray's with the ambient lights on , when u game in dark room everything back to normal, and also the colors are not than shiny like glossy panels
How does it stand a year later?
Great review!
I got one about a month ago. No scanlines at 240hz so maybe they have fixed this!? It is a crazy monitor tho, hitting 240hz on COD with a 4090 is as good a gaming experience as I can imagine! I am a very happy chappy!
Yooo no scanlines really bro??? I wanna pick one up bro. In your opinion do u think I should, I’ve never used a curved monitor so I’m scared I won’t like it, and is there really no more scanlines??
@Shoto 999 yo yo.....I defo cannot see any scan lines at 240 on mine. However it seems I'm in the minority saying this so could be worth checking one out in a store first....but.... You absolutely cannot see anything negative while gaming and 4k at 240 is crazy shiny!!
@@davestebbing2278 perfect man and in terms of the curve is it absurdly noticeable or not really. And will things like TH-cam and other applications look just as crisp as gaming. Thanks so much again man for such a fast response your a legend
@Shoto 999 the curve is real. Again I'd say check one with a 1000r curve in a shop as it did take a couple days to get used to it. But I couldn't go back now I'm used to it. Feels like your IN the game more than a flat screen.
@@davestebbing2278 gottya bro appreciate the help man :) one last last thing I don’t know about you but me personally I play a lot of emulators eg ds/3ds emulators. With those emulators there’s black bars on the side of the screen to try make it look like the respective consoles. If you have played a emulator on it bro could you be brutally honest on how the game/ screen looks. Thanks so much again man your a absolute legend
Hey, i really Love your Videos! So good structured and organized.
I Want to buy a Monitor for Home Office (Good Text clarity) and also Gaming. Can you help which one would be Good for this use?
Thanks so much
best monitor ever
it is
LG C2 42 or G8?
The black bottom part of the stand is NOT plastic. It is black painted METAL.
Which is better? This or the LG 32GQ950?
wouldn't mind getting one, did you find the mount wobble quite a bit? on linus review it seemed to wobble a lot. The predator one i'm using now seems quite solid but don't want to drop the coin on this if its a wobbling mess. EDIT, I continued watching and it is a wobble fest. What a shame... Thanks for the truthfull review
I’m going to use this with my ps5 and my pc with a rtx 4080, which would your recommend the g7 or g8
I am trying to decide between this and the Alienware screen and honestly I usually prefer 16x9. I have a 3080ti and new pc in general all around so neither should be hard to drive for me. However I have heard you need a dedicated Gsync chip in a monitor to get full gsync/HDR experience. I believe even Linus mentions that in the ALienware video. What was your experience with it having an Nvidia card yourself?
thankyou for this DETAILED REVIEW
fuel practicly infinity so efficient and bright
How does this monitor look using 1440p?
I have this monitor on a asus rog strix 4090 oc and I haven't seen a single scan line yet. Perhaps the 3080s were just under powered for the display? And I run 240hz.
no gsync
@@christiansarrazin5237 It works with gsync, you just have to enable it.
Neo g8 for 720€ or lg 32gq950 for 800€ which one should I take
Same doubts here, except the prices are way higher at £1000 each in the UK lool
I like how bitter and sarcastic you are when it comes to tech reviews . Awesome video as always.
Hey Type-C, just found your channel and appreciate the commentary about the monitor. Sadly looking for a monitor that is the right balance between work/play (I work from home) and it sounds like this isn't going to be it. Thanks for the good opinions!
Dog I love your channel and this was an awesome review. Can you help me out and direct me to where I can get that screensaver you got there? It’s pretty immaculate. Thanks.
Just got mine and my scanlines are only on yellow/orange colors. Very hard to see them I have to bring my head about a foot away to notice. Overall I like the monitor a lot so far.
Got a rx 7900 xtx and think this is a good monitor to match ye?
So use the HDMI or DP??
Is Netflix built in? 😭 does it come with a remote???
Why you need DP 2.0?
Should I consider this monitor in 2024? Currently in my country it is available for the equivalent of $995. Also have any of the issues like scanlines gotten better over time with firmware updates?
I'd like to know that too
Just got this for PS5 gaming and I have to say it's phenomenal. If you are like me and want to play super competitive games, I would suggest turning the local dimming feature off. If it's on, your response time goes up to 15ms from the normal 3ms it has with it off. Even without it the quality of the image is amazing. If you don't play super competitively then you can keep it on.
I just can't decide between this monitor or the Alienware oled.
why did they not build a G7 neo with 1800R curve?
would be instant buy from me
with desktop use with mac its better activate hdr or not ? can u show me the best settigs to use the neo g8 with mac desktop use and xbox series x ?
So would this be ok with Disney plus and gaming Netflix and TH-cam
What is the difference between the Neo G8 and Neo G7? Is the refresh rate the only difference?
yes
What do you do with all the monitors you bought to review but don't use anymore?
We have a few racks that some of them sit on if I feel I may need them for comparisons in future videos. But besides that we usually sell them after the review on EBay, it definitely doesn’t recoup all the value but it’s better than just having them sitting around.
@@TypeCTechReviews any chance you do some international shipping? I live in argentina and here we don't get to buy any of the new monitors. I could pay through paypal
I bought this monitor on eBay for 699gb (new). I like it just the stand is too wide.
The Samsung neo g8 or the dell aw32?
I am waiting the answer as well, 2024 now, similar price in Aus
Quick question. How do you get affiliate links for different locations?
I love how you said, "it's.. very unsettling." LOL
Tell me im looking at this wrong.
1. I like that the samsung has an audio jack and blue tooth. Does the dell have it?
2. Samsung can go much brighter. Is the dell bright enough tho? My room is right beside a window so im worried dell wont be bright enough since it has a glossy finish.
3. With some tweeking, can the Samsung come looking as good as the dell?
In conclusion, the blue tooth, jack and brightness plus the 1000r curve points to Samsung as the winner. Now dell has better color. But if Samsung can be tweeked. Does that mean samsung is still better?
How long is the provided displayport cable?
What modern games are you playing at 4k max settings getting 120-150 fps on a 3080?
I've ordered one of these, should get it in the next couple of days, lucky for me I'm more than happy with 120hz (its what I game at currently and the 240hz is the least looked after feature for me).
How's your experience so far?
@@vibesnovibes6320 So far, excellent, even the scanlines at 240 are all but invisible unless I put my nose to the screen and look at certain colors at a certain brightness. So even though I'd be fine with 120 where there are none, I've surprised myself by playing with 240 mode anyway. The color is excellent, silky smooth in games, the best contrast ration I have ever gamed with.
@@theredrighthand1258 hey man I have been dying researching about monitors and do you think this monitor can game at 1440p 120hz or even 4K 120hz since I have a ps5 ? Sorry I’m new to this stuff
@@theredrighthand1258 and no scan line issues at all?
I have a Samsung g6 32inch, would this monitor be good for ps5 the g8 neo
M32u vs odyssey neo g7 which is better cause both r same priced
I have the Philips Evnia 25M2N3200W which is VA panel too. It's 1080p, 240 hz and I've faced scanlines in the blue, orange colors. Idk maybe it's VA panel thing.
Do you have settings for the color, mine seems so dull.
If you want to get the most out of the 240hz run upscaled 4k, not native 4k. It looks damn good and you can get 200+ fps.
How do you do that ?
How image quality compare against the alienware qd-oled? I know contrast and colors are supposed to be better on the oled but pixel density is way better on the neo g8, which one would you choose for hdr single player games in a dark room?
I suppose it depends where the colors are better. In the bright spots the colors are better in Samsung than in OLED because OLED can't reach that level of brightness (white is white but in OLED the white is more slightly grey than white or there is a bluish tint in OLED that is unnatural and it is applicable to all the colors, the red is more bright red in Samsung than pale red in OLED etc) but in dark scenes it's vice versa, OLED is a winner. Most games have more bright scenes than dark ones, so the colors are better in Samsung but in horror movies/games they are better in OLED without almost any blooming (it exists in OLED ! but its blooming from adjacent bright pixels is very small and in Samsung it noticable but not too much, it is true).
Can you use a Nvidia rtx 3080 with it? As it doesn’t says it has g sync?
Alienware QD Oled or Neo G7/G8, that’s the question
Yep, that's the question 🤔🤔
what do you think is the best ?
@@IronmanToday I bought the Alienware QD Oled because the curve is less aggressive and I love Oled. :-)
Good review
Yeah you’re right Future Proofing! what if Sony releases a PlayStation five pro that can push 190 Hz at 4K so with the neo G8 I have the extra Hz to spare
i love samsung monitors they check all the boxes but one, all the good ones are curved man! so I have not purchased a samsung gaming monitor over 10 years because of the curve…..
i bought it at amazon just to watch anime read manga and youtube videos, sometimes i play pc games
Does anyone know what desktop backgrounds (the ones with lots of colors) he's using??
Is this monitor suitable for the ps5? Not sure which one to buy between the sony inzone m9 or this g8? Any advice will be greatly appreciated 😊
I absolutely love using it with my PS5! You’ll fall in love! The 3090 is great with it as well! Looking forward to the 4090
Inzone M9 has too much IPS glow.
@@paul2609 been hearing bad things about that monitor
Hey what would you say is the best competitive monitor for the PS5?
Mainly for competitive shooters like war zone
A pc.
PC
Just get a display that is best looking than best performing for PS5 since you are going to be limited with PS5's 125/250Hz USB and BT polling rate, joystick limitation, vsync and aim assist interference.
Can you put your settings for this monitor somewhere like Imgur? so anyone has this monitor can use the best gaming settings
It's going to be very subjective and vary per panel.
I noticed with the monitor I get like flickering greys when on youtube around the videos or in the grey box with "show more" not sure what is causing this.
I just bought this Monitor but with a oled display. I think this is the better verseion than this G8 witth VA.
Whats that model?
nice, quite neutral review, liked that.
I almost preorder the monitor but now, I won't 🙂
This or wait for 1440p G8 OLED @ 175hz
Great video
You will see the inverse ghosting division 2 you'll see it around objects easily..