🔥 The Mother Flame's Origins 🔥
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- Thoughts on the connections between the Lunarians and the Mother Flame? Did the Lunarians descend from the moon before the other sky races? What was their relationship with the Ancient Kingdom?
00:00 - INTRO
01:26 - The Mother Flame
06:45 - The Moon City
11:25 - The Lunarians
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Franky uses the knowledge of the Mother Flame to create Nuka Cola.
Note: my phone tried to correct it to “Nika Cola.”
How will Franky make Nuka Quantum then?
@@smittyjjensin558he's just gotta find a few Fusion Cores.
phone knows whats up
I think your phone is correct here
Was really hoping Franky would load the giant robot with cola and Vegapunk exclaims "The missing power source! Why didn't I ever try cola!"
"The power of the sun, at the palm of my island." ~vegapunk probably
Judge: "The power to put an 'end' to wars, right boys?"
Judge/Caesar/Queen wink at each other
Vegapunk: "Exactly!"
Thinking to himself: "Quasar! I knew they'd come around to my gunflower project once I solved the photosynthesis at night issue!"
Palm of my brain would be better
Regarding the whole world being flooded, I just had a dark thought about how Sanji's All Blue might become real...
The Mother Flame is clearly just Ace in disguise. Ace will be Oda's most ambitious fake death.
lol sabo is just lighting himself on fire everytime he fights
Sabo is literally cheap ace Luffy got because he cried when lost original one
@@DaityaGodbetter ace**
sure bro
Sabo carries two stone to create fire-. If u look closely its inside the pipe he carries 😊
Also important to note that Lunarians utilize the isolated flame on their backs, might have ties to the Mother Flame.
Theyt might have been used to make the mother flame, causing them to run away to the earth just for the moon people to show up later, causing problems.
I just realized that Mock Town will have to evacuate at some point because of the rising sea level, and the closest safe place to go will be... the sky island!
Tekking101 has the best energy of any OP creator. He's so happy to be here. Me too!
I like to imagine your old bedroom would be your secret laboratory where you would hide the mother flame.
108 is the number of temptations you have to overcome to reach Nirvana in Buddhism. This is for people who are wondering what is the significant of the number 108.
There is a shit ton more on that in hinduism too. Thats just a part of it man
so what is the s stand for?
@@Yaseen_Arafath Seraphim, probably
Idk if you already read that but a famous japanese theorist said that if you read "S-108" separately it'll sounds like "Esteban" the mc of "The Mysterious Cities of Gold" sorry for my bad english kkkkk
No it isn’t … That’s nothing that Gautama ever said. That’s just mythology. 108 is the amount of energy centers in the human body that can be worked on.
My uncle who works at Shonen Jump said that he heard from one of Oda's editors that the Mother Flame's origins stem back all the way to the bygone era of #BRINGBACKBARRYSDAD.
My uncle works at Nintendo.
didn't have us in the first half, not gonna lie, but the joke was funny
Yeah well I have an uncle that works at Nintendo, and he said that he could beat up your uncle. So let that sink in.
Barry’s dad sucks brick
You had me in the first half for real 😂
Vegapunk: this is made of the strongest material around
Gorosei:(hitting machine with stick) TURN OFF ALREADY
Also someone get gecko moria. This dude needs to be hired by galley law and build them island ships to save the world from sinking
Don’t unplug the modem old man!
I would love side stories revolving around the creation of various ships in One Piece.
Moria is probably dead and I doubt that he built Thriller Bark himself. He probably forced the zombies to do the work.
Laffy: "Do you poop?"
Imu: "No"
Luffy: "You will..."
Honestly the world government acts like North Korea. And the ancient civilization is like South Korea. NK actively preventing their people from knowing abt the accomplishments of the world. SK being the fancy civilization they are hiding from their people.(not saying SK is the best but comparatively they’re much better)
Yes I’m high
Idk if he's going to mention it in the video, but the mother flame was in the hieroglyphs that enel was looking at towards the top left, master class foreshadowing
One piece fans like to say oda foreshadowed every single event since jesus christ birth but most of the time is just oda adding to previous ideas and concepts. But this is one of the times were it was actually foreshadowed
Which chapter?
13:20 so the Nika dance in Skypeia also shows Nika dancing around the Mother Flame? Damn Tekking you're a genius!
The glaze is crazy
@@T.B.G4k righT? its like they forget this dudes theory was that the ancient kingdom was called piratopia or some shit
@@AGuyWithDicewhat’s wrong with that?!!! It’s a total valid theory that could makes sense in the context of the world
@@AGuyWithDice
Is it suddenly trendy to crap on Tekking now or something?
@@jason4443 it’s not even that the thing is the moon thing was NOT something telling found he said it himself I just found it old they called HIM the genius
Void century players are not only The Ancient Kingdom. There is Kozuki Clan, Minks, Zunesha, Fishmans and Merfolks. So its not surprise Skypians help Ancient Kingdom build their technologies
Probably Giants of Elbaf too
People assume that the three tribes depicted on the moon mural are the Skypeans, Birkans and Shandians.
I work under the theory that the Skypeans and Birkans are just one of the tribes and not two. The other two tribes being Shandians and Lunarians.
Lunarian is more likely being an artificial creation. As when Zoro describe King's durability, it reminded me of the Sanji's siblings' exoskeleton.
@@sphinxtan9158 so like a artificially enhanced Berkin if we go by wing shape
Ahh I get it Luna>LUNArians
People need to realize something, the Ancient Kingdom has 2 things in particular, actual technology (like the eternal flame) AND “magic” like the Ancient “weapons” as seem with Shirahoshi can is NOT an object but possesses the POWER TO COMMAND ANCIENT GIANT CREATURES.
Oda does things in SETS and always follows a particular pattern. He shows us and tells us what something is, but then he just shows and says nothing.
He introduced Shiraishi in Fishman Island and told us she’s an ancient “weapon”, in quotations because again, she’s NOT an object and then revealed the other 2 names. The theme was pretty clear. It’s SEA, LAND, SKY.
Hundreds of chapters later in Zou we were introduced to Momonosuke with the exact same power as Shirahoshi, the POWER TO COMMAND ANCIENT GIANT CREATURES. That is proof he’s an ancient “weapon” and based on the obvious theme introduced in Fishman Island, he just canNOT be Uranus because that’s the god of the SKY and last I check, elephants are not flying creatures.
There’s more to connect as Parvision likes to say, everything connects.
In Wano we found out King was waiting for “Joyboy”.
We found out Joyboy is Nika.
We found out Nika is the SUN “god”. Mentioned in Skypeia
SKypeia had 4 “gods”.
Skypeia also had a ponelgyph.
We know ONLY ALLIES protect the Poneglyphs: Fishman Island, Wano, Shandia, Mokedom Kingdom, Elba (pretty obvious), etc.
Due to various lines and such, it’s implied the Ancient Kingdom may have been in the sky or on top of the Red Line, meaning everything on the se below is the .. UNDER WORLD, the world below, that’s Pluton, the god of the “underworld”.
The Ancient Kingdom BESTOWS the POWER to COMMAND TO ALLIES only.
The way I see, it’s 100% guaranteed that Uranus is a WINGED person who commands ANCIENT GIANT CREATURES, FLYING creatures in particular such as dragons, and we know they exist in-universe.
They’re not extinct.
They most definitely live in sky islands the same way that sea kings live in the depths of the ocean and Zunesha’s herd (she was banished which implies a big group) live in god knows where in this Jupiter-sized ONE PIECE earth.
Vegapunk has attempted to create an ancient weapon with that dragon #13 in Punk Hazard but failed, and that’s because the animals are just part of the ancient “weapon”’s army. That’s why the sea kings are Poseidon, SHIRAHOSHI IS POSEIDON. The same way Zunesha sin’t Pluton, MOMONOSUKE IS PLUTON.
Vegapunk just likely cloned a dragon.
The egg in Roger’s ship is also most definitely a dragon’s, that’s how everything connects in the world.
The 20 kingdoms were jealous because the Ancient Kingdom had tech AND magic so they built their own COUNTER (the battleship) and people who paid attention in Water 7 know this.
The biggest proof that the battleship is NOT from the Ancient Kingdom's side are the very blueprints because all the info we know about the ancient "weapons" are written in INDISTRUCTIBLE PONEGLYPHS while the blueptins were written in BURNABLE PAPERS.
That's awesome
Knowing Luffy, he's gonna fall asleep while Robin explains the VC to the Straw Hats. Just as she's about to explain some important motivation, Luffy will wake up making some harebrained declaration, and Robin will chuckle, because that's exactly what Joyboy or some other Ancient Kingdom figure said as well.
maybe the planet was the reactor and joy boy meant to flood the surface with the coolant from the inside but the 20 kingdoms flooded the core to turn it off instead
Well thats dumb 😂
Yo tek, I’m going through some rough times and your vids always make me feel better, also I have no friends to talk anime with and these vids and comment section help me feel a little more accepted than usual… you’re the man keep doing what you do!
Weird thought. What if Sun God Nika was a Prometheus type of person who "stole" a piece of the Mother Flame from the moon?
He descended to Earth and shared it with the Ancient Kingdom.
i love this idea!!
a slightly different take could also have something to do with the Lunarians, maybe he was a Lunarian, or their leader, and they all descended down to Earth and the red line wayyyyy before the other winged tribes, and took a piece of the mother flame with them, and it was only a longggg time after that that missing piece led to a shortage of resources for moon.
or, he was the creator of the mother flame and left with the lunarians and took part of it or all of it with him, or even none of it and the other tribes simply didn’t have the capabilities that he did to either create it again or more of it or fix it if it was getting weaker, when maybe Nika thought they could handle it, or maybe he didn’t think about that, or maybe without Nika being around the mother flame slowly gets weaker and weaker, or goes into a “dormant” state, and now that Nika has reawakened in Luffy maybe something will start to change with the mother flame, maybe that’s what happened with Joy Boy and it led to their demise rather than success,, and maybe something similar will happen with Fishman Island being “burned” down by Luffy! maybe it’s a good thing that was thought to be bad, like the mother flame being brought there, or it does destroy it.
another thing could be that Nika was spiritually or scientifically fused with the mother flame, either doing it himself or having it done to him, and maybe he did the same thing to the early Lunarians, or he was their direct ancestor and that’s why they now have black wings and flames
My head canon is that Lunarians and sky people are same, they were just too advanced in blood line element technology that they modified themselves to give themselves extreme endurance and fire abilities. They formed the ancient kingdom, something like that.
I have a lot of theories concerning this video’s topics, and one you slightly touched on. I think on the moon the winged races lived in a caste system similar to the Hindu caste system.
In the Hindu caste you have the Brahmins who are the priests/intellectuals which I think the Birkans represent. Then you have the Kshatriyas who are the warriors/leaders. The Shandorians were part of this caste and filled the warrior role. I think Oda split this caste into two and like Tekking mentioned I think that the Lunarians were the rulers/leaders. That leaves the Skypieans to fill the Vaishyas role of merchants and traders which we saw evidence of during the Skypiea arc.
Now I think there was a group dedicated to the sciences, technology, etc and I can’t decide if this was a separate caste or if Oda expanded on the Vaishyas. If this was all Skypieans or a yet seen winged race. The impact dials make me think it was all Skypieans where they were either merchant/traders or scientists.
In Hindu society the castes are pretty strict and don’t intermingle so I don’t think the winged races got along well on the moon but because of space they were kind of forced to live together. When they came to Earth is when they had the room to spread out and separate from each other.
I’m not quite sure how the ancient kingdom fits. It could be the ancient Skypieans who were of the scientist caste founded it and they were the inhabitants which is interesting to think of. I don’t think they wanted to share their technology and hoarded it to themselves which is what caused the 20 Earthling kingdoms to revolt.
Now in the last chapter Icarus was mentioned and another character closely related is Prometheus. I think JoyBoy filled the role of Prometheus and stole the Mother Flame from the ancient kingdom to give to the Earthlings. This act is what earned him being labeled the first pirate and the crime Zunesha mentions.
Theory:
1) Winged-moon people develop mother-flame. Using lineage factor technology a group of them incorporate it into themselves becoming the Lunarians, who then descend to rule the blue sea world.
2) One of these white-haired Lunarians disagrees with their rule, believing the peoples should be free. Like Prometheus, he brings the Mother Flame down from the heavens to the people below and the call him Nikka the sun god.
3) The followers of Nikka become the Ancient Kingdom, while the rest of the world remains under the thumb of the Lunarians. But as time passes more groups join the Ancient Kingdom threatening Lunarian rule. So they gather the 20 most powerful kingdoms in their command to fight the Ancient Kingdom and their "Revolutionary Pirate Army" lead by Joy Boy, wielder of the Nikka fruit.
4) Joy Boy convinces the 20 kingdoms to rise up against the Lunarians, which they do, successfully casting them down from the Red Line. However, Imu and the others betray Joy Boy as well, destroying the Ancient Kingdom and its Mother Flame, and forming the World Government.
It makes me wonder how much progress Vegapunk might have been able to make with the Mera Mera no Mi.
It's no Nika fruit, but that fruit seems to have a lot of symbolic value.
The escanor vs luffy fight is not a power based battle, but a stamina/will power one. And luffy always wins those.
Less willpower and moreso, can Escanor put luffy down before the sun sets, and he absolutely cannot
Honestly, I'd put money on luffy, his goofy ass fruit powers and his limitless imagination, his fight against escanor would be literally god tier, but all luffy would have to do is last until past noon, and hes got escanor
Escanor is at a different power level, where Luffy has no match to it. Note that Luffy can't even hurt Warcury, let alone someone who wield the real power of the Sun.
Escanor only weakness is that his power is time-limited. Luffy can just running around, wasting his time.
True that
@sphinxtan9158 who said escanor's power is time limited, only escanor decides that, lmao
When a dog girl sees the mother flame, She going to say "Fire in water why, FIRE IN WATER WHY"
Fucking what? A fucking dog girl?
WATAH IN ZA FAYAH! WHY???
Not understand...
@@michaelcheung1693 korone playing mario
That's not mere water... It is compressed, SUPER HEATED Steam which appears to be invisible
Strange idea Tekking, the Lunarians have a fire that is a part of them. What if the Lunarians personally handled the Mother Flame, hence the super tough flame form.
What is the mother flame of Vega punks was so small because it was just used the power has a power source and they have to build up the strength of it again by feeding it material
Saturn not being able to look directly at the mother flame yet it doesnt seem very bright whatsoever got me thinking.
This might be just a not well showed thing in the panel , until we have more context, I think there is no way to tell, but assuming its equivalent to a mini sun (?) Might be suepr bright
The old mother flame being a massive bonfire for the kingdom to dance and celebrate in town seems so up odas alley
The 108th element in the periodic table is Hassium, it is a stable, highly radioactive synthetic element so maybe its a nod to VP creating a new element?
Ah yes radioactivity the most accurate sing of a stable atom
Thank you for the video! I always enjoy watching your videos! This was very interesting!
This might be my favorite tekking video. I could listen to him theorizing about the past of a fictional world for hours.
You deserve to host a show… I appreciate your energy and enthusiasm on every video
Maybe the Mother flame is like the philosopher's stone in FMA. You need the lives of lunarian to create it.
Something to note on the mural, the figure on the right has the antenna of Skypeans, the one in the middle seems to have the tribal wear of Shandorans and the one on the far left has notably different wings. It's quite likely that Lunarians wings can come in different colours to black and that the figure on the left is a Lunarian.
3:25 "mu" also means "nothingness" or "void" in Japanese, and has meanings in Bhuddism, as a sort of middle ground alternative to positive or negative. Instead of yes or no, good or bad, you have mu; nothing. A void.
Could be related to the lable on the tank, especially with the number 108 also having significance in Buddhism.
母/Mǔ is mother in Chinese (mother flame) there is a Chinese God called Houtu also called Dimǔ (Mother earth)
Something I've wondered, is why they can't use Conqueror's Haki to knock out the snails.
because the snails are very confident!
Also during marineford Buggy used a groggy den den mushi and still could transmit to the Sabaodi,so knocking them out would maybe not be enough?
Thanks for keeping the break week interesting Tekking!
Thinking about Red Line & Lunarian, a lot of us believe that Red Line is human-made, possibly built during the Void Century. But it is also said that the Lunarians used to live there. Doesn't that feel contradictive? In order for it to make sense, there are several possibilities:
1. Red Line is natural. It's been there the whole time, but it probably wasn't blocking people from traveling like how it is today. Lunarian lived there until the creation of the World Govt.
2. The Lunarian only started inhabiting the Red Line after the Void Century. However, the WG committed genos on them for the sake of Mary Geoise's security (or they just want to keep the whole landmass for themselves)
3. Lunarian never lived on Red Line. It was a hoax/propaganda to fool the populance in the One Piece world, making them believe that the landmass is the highest habitable area in the world.
Keep up the great work and videos tekking love the video
I think all the wnged races originate from lunarians on the red line. During a technologically advanced time period there could've been tries at terraforming and colonizing a moon. Otherwise it would seem weird for there to be breathable air there. After a while their wings would be bleached by the sun and their flame put out, either by lack of oxygen or genetic changes. The return to the blue sea could be due to failing the terraformation project (we see very few signs of other lifeforms on the moon). There were probably multiple colonies with no more than nessecary contact between each other, which is why they all look slightly different now and moved to different places when returning. In addition there wouldn't be any dirt (vearth) on the moon, if it's anything like our real one, so why does Enel call it 'infinite vearth'? During the terraformation process they would need dirt to grow plants, thus infinite vearth.
There's also the possibility the terraformation succeeded and the goal was to turn it into uranus, the ancient weapon.
21:50, I agree! Some people forget that Vegapunk is a scientist, not a historian.
Tekking you should do some videos on Hunter X Hunter 😎
Maybe he does when the new chapters come out.
After almost 7years of watching happy to become a member❤
I could see it playing out that the Lunarians manipulated the humans into taking out the city of gold, and then the humans realized what power they had working together and turned on the lunarians
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The Eve tree is the basis for my endgame theories because it shouldve been there before the redline or maybe even created the redline. The lunarians seemed to gather around it at some point later, which is now controlled by Imu and the celestial dragons
Very intresting that devil fruit powers still work if the user leaves the planet
Something important to note is that according to a 3D representation within Ohara, the One Piece world might have multiple moons, so one of the other moons might originate the lunarians
Could you make a Video about Blackbeard and Moria? Its a realy terrifying alliance (or at least combination) and not realy many people are thinking about that. Zombies with Devilfruitpowers. Morias possibilities with Blackbeards darkness.
What if they are called Lunarians because the planet we know they are sailing is actually the moon of the system? And that's why Roger laughed? We thought Enel was stupid when he called moon "endless Vearth" but turns out it is actually the former Earth? The winged races didn't use balloons to decent on the planet, but to ascend on the habitable moon. Probably have to take better look at that planetary model in Ohara.
With the mother flame I can't help but think of Avatar and the dragons giving the Sun warriors the first fire, and they even look like Mezzo Ameracans like the Shandarians.
Vegapunk: "The world will be flooded."
Arlong in Impel Down: "I knew it! Fishmen are truly superior!"
Tekking be safe brother I saw the stream with Merphy and Jay we know your prone to fire accidents be careful with that mother flame buddy 😂 love the content as usual
1:25 Esconor is awesome lol. He is one of my favorites next to Bon.
I’d like to think sky islands were also an ancient byproduct after the poltogpyphs were written people moved to the sky’s to prepare for the world sinking. As well fishmen could have been a byproduct of ancient testing to help humans obtain aquatic properties to survive.
I just realised this as I watched the first few minutes of this video while Tekking talks about Mu in Buddhism and Urouge's initial with his epithet is MMU. Take away the additional M and you get MU too. Very befitting.
My favourite TH-camr ♥️
The first or second panel of the mother flame we got I swear it has a face then on randy troys live stream on chapter 1114, someone else agreed with me that the mother flame has major prometheus vibes
Every Bee-Er-Ka is like a shotgun to the chest
I have a theory, the lunarians fell with their moon, which gave them enough rock to make the redline.
That also might be the reason why the world started flooding (rocks from space getting water).
Also it's perfect one of the gorosei have ice powers showing the dynamic between nika fire and celestial dragon ice. Same with the ice cell
Could it be that Lunarian wings are larger because they evolved to fly on Earth as opposed to the lower-gravity Moon? Also explains why the Shandians, Skypeians, and Biirkans have smaller wings because they could fly when they lived on the Moon
Orouge last seen in Balloon Terminal, maybe he'll climb down Jewel Tree Adam and meet Straw Hats in Elbaph
So when Enel heard of "Endless Vearth", that was probably what the moon people called the planet earth, not the other way round, right?
“The power of the sun in the palm of my hands”- Doctor Otto Octavius
First tekking video where I petition a podcast with him, Murphy and Jay
Wait! In clover’s tree of knowledge, I remember seeing more than one moon, what if the lunariand come from another moon? (I may have something wrong but still)
best chapter of one piece ive said that after just about every chapter in this arc
Great timing just sat eating my food 😋
I wonder how the giants fit in all this. The next few years of one piece are going to be amazing
Anyone else notice Shandora had high walls like Amazon Lilly?
I wonder if the Lunarians are actually artificially created humans, just like their recent counterparts. They could've been made in the image of people from the moon, hence the name Lunarians, and additionally all of their abilities are enhanced in comparison to other races. Sure, unique abilities for a race is not new in one piece but when you consider the literal flames on their backs, it really seems unnatural
I can't for tekking to hit 1M subs he deserves it❤
oo i do like the “revolt” idea for the lunarians and other moon tribes!!
i was thinking about it but as soon as you said “revolt” it clicked even more! its all really heavily linked with christian mythology!! the whole of Skypiea was too! in Skypiea there was God, the ruler, and the citizens were angels, Enel was giving out divine judgement with his observation haki / mantra being able to listen in to every citizen and his rumble powers letting him send lightning immediately to anyone anywhere. the moon is known as fairy vearth. and the Lunarians have links to fire and have black wings and reside on Earth.
perhaps there was a revolt, either led by or against the lunarians by the other tribes, and they were cast out down to Earth as “punishment” like the fallen angel in christianity, who also was linked to fire/light and eventually was depicted with black wings and more fire, or it was in order to escape. or i could even see oda spinning it on its head and they left of their own volition, or like i said the revolt was led against them instead of by them.
so maybe the lunarians were on earth wayyyyyyy before the other tribes, and maybe that was actually the first action that led to their downfall on the moon.
if the Lunarians were the rulers there, maybe they left of their own volition cuz they saw the impending resource shortage and wanted to spare their citizens from going through that, so they left themselves in order to have less people to take up resources. but then it was only a temporary solution and the other tribes eventually reached that resource shortage even though it was delayed. or, the other tribes revolted against the Lunarians because they thought it was their fault and wanted to get rid of them to free up resources for themselves and or get rid of the leaders who got them there in the first place,, only to reach it themselves anyway and have to come down to earth as well.
there’s also ties to Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden, both being on Sky Island and being the fairy vearth, with heaven also being both as well. and potential ties to the Greek Prometheus as well.
I feel like you’re missing a clear option, the Lunarians founded/helped found the ancient kingdom. The reason the world government occupied their former kingdom was because it was the ‘headquarters’ of the ancient kingdom. (Or at least the one they could find, as opposed to laugh tale)
if the lunarians and skypieans weren’t on good terms, which i can get behind, and the ancient kingdom had potential ties to the lunarians, and also had ties to the Skypieans/Shandorians because there’s a Road Poneglyph there, I wonder how all of that worked.
Maybe, the lunarians and all other skypiean tribes lived on the moon peacefully at one point, and something happened to where the Lunarians left to Earth either willingly or forcedly, and then the other tribes ran out of resources and came down to Earth as well, and now the Prometheus theory situation happens. maybe the Shandorians “stole” a piece of or the whole of or the blueprints or the power/ability to create the Mother Flame from the Lunarians, and gave it to the Ancient Kingdom. And maybe the Ancient Kingdom rewarded the Shandorians with all of that gold that they used to build that city, and eventually a Road Poneglyph to keep safe as well, or both at the same time.
We know that the World Government has persecuted both the Ancient Kingdom and the Lunarians. We think the Lunarians didn’t get along with the other moon tribes. We know that the Ancient Kingdom had ties to the mother flame and the Shandorians. We don’t know if the Ancient Kingdom had ties to the Lunarians.
Perhaps the Shandorians gave the mother flame (or piece or blueprints) to the Ancient Kingdom (and maybe the other skypiean races were in on it too, making the shandorians the sacrificial lambs, or not), and then the World Government fought against the Ancient Kingdom, and before or during so learned the mother flame was something from the Lunarians, and then either asked the Lunarians to share the information of it with them and or to help them, to which they refused and so they persecuted them, or they just persecuted them for even being the source of it.
Shandora sounds very similar to Chandra, which is the Indian name for the moon and moon god
That calic looked like a devil horn, and I wouldn’t have seen it without the magic fire…
The mother flame says s-108, 108 is an important number in Buddhism. You know which character is based on a Buddhist monk? Urouge. Additionally, Urouge had a bounty of 108,000,000.
It’s all Urouge
Ok I feel like that Intro question was HEAVILY inspired by the latest stream together with Merphy and Jay given that 7DS and the battleaxe Rhitta had an apperance there. 😄
I can see ancient kingdom having mother flame but the prominent energy source i believe is the drums of liberation (luffy furit)
(On a hunch, I looked it up in Wikipedia, according to which:) Mu is also the 12th letter of the ancient Greek alphabet, and is derived from the Egyptian hieroglyph for "Water" ... And the Mother flame is in a tank of water (and the World's waters are rising (?? or the land is sinking into the water ??)... so maybe it's a reference to that.
This chapter confirm the nika fruit is just a rubber fruit. Since joyboy wasnt able to be anything he wants. Just rubber. It just brings the user inagination to life. If luffy goes mock 5 with a slingshot attack the fruit will create goggles in real life to fit the theme of the attack. Thats why he didnt spawn a bat. He had to create one with a tree nearby. He then imagine a baseball hat and paint to fit the theme/gag of the attack.
19:30 The Lunarians kind of have to be there before the end of the Void Century for them to be cast out and hunted by the WG since right after that the Holyland was built on top of the former Lunarian land. We were also sure that the Shandorians were friends of Joyboy because they have one of his Poneglyph encased in the base of their Golden Bell at the center of their city and were sworn to protect it until the day someone （Robin） would come and pass-on its message.
The Mother Flame is not necessarily the Lunarian (the greater race from the moon, not limited to just King's race) Flame, because due to Lilith's statement Vegapunk was not yet able to replicate the ancient Eternal Flame, so it would be strange for him to give this flame the name of the Original given what we know of Vegapunk's character, after all he is a guy who would consider Momo's fruit a failure just because the color was wrong.
Infinity is only an idea. Only ideas can be infinite and an idea can’t be had without you.
1:40 "The power of the Sun in the palm of your hands!"
The lunarians could be artificially made by the people living on the moon. Maybe they were warriors made with the "fate" of helping joyboy (also they have mother flame technology, i doubt they were naturally born like that). And just like stussy, there will be a discussion about how they are also people and they can choose how to live.
Next step of gear 5th would probably the different colors of 🔥 fires starting with red and this was foreshadowed in the latest anime last month when luffy arrived at egg head and his hair turned red and has his cloud or mist around him
This devolved from a Mother Flame talk to an episode of Ancient Aliens
>3:49 The periodic table that we have right now does not just have an element that start with a capital A.
I think means there no element that is only the letter A. But there are several elements that start with the letter A.
Ag (Silver)
Al (Aluminum)
Am (Americium)
Ar (Argon)
As (Arsenic)
At (Astatine)
Au (Gold)
Didn't Prometheus get punished for sharing fire with humans?
What if its a similar thing here, Lunarians shared fire(the mother flame) with humans(people on earth), and that's why they are now almost extinct.
IDK, maybe there's something there.
Lunarians have Black Wings and make flames genetically on their body. What if they are from the dark side of the moon where their wings are made to match the dark environment and the fact they genetically make flames was so they could have a way to see on that side of the moon?
Would be interesting to see.
Cant help but feel responsible for this as seeing as i tagged you in the thoery of enel seeing the mother flame on the glyphs on the moon
Mother Flame is the primordial flame we have always seen in all mythologies. Knowing Luffy, he’d probably eat it.
I did wonder about kalgura living in the blue sea instead of skypeia in the beginning, he had wings like all the other skypeians, makes sense they would be related and live in the same area
Atom S108... maybe it refers Element 108. Hassium which is highly Radioactive🤔
Just had the realization that the lunarians have an ever lasting flame on their back and for some reason the world goverment (that seems to search for a new energy source the replace the mother flame) invades that place probably 900 years ago.
I assume the WG used the lunarians as an energy source to have whatever caused the void century to happen.