FIRST LOOK: Spektrum Firma 8A Sensored Brushless System For 1/24 Crawlers!! How Good Is It?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2023
- In this video I unbox, install, and review the brand new Spektrum Firma 8A sensored brushless motor and esc combo for micro crawlers! This is an exciting new product from Spektrum. It is affordably priced and offers an easy, plug & play brushless conversion for your Axial AX24 or SCX24! How does it compare to other systems on the market? Watch on to find out!
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Timestamps
First look at the system: 1:15
Compatible systems: 3:48
Baseline course runs: 5:22
Installation: 9:08
First impressions: 13:35
Upgraded course runs: 15:30
Final thoughts: 19:50 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Timestamps
First look at the system: 1:15
Compatible systems: 3:48
Baseline course runs: 5:22
Installation: 9:08
First impressions: 13:35
Upgraded course runs: 15:30
Final thoughts: 19:50
My furitek setup for my ax24 just came in the mail an hour ago, installed it and then watched this. Glad I got the furitek..
Man, I expected more from a sensor setup
Yeah. It barely looks better than the v2 box and a bigger can motor. All this spektrum system does is highlight the value of the furitek system. The furitek stuff isn’t even sensored but the FOC and the way the esc speaks to the motor is incredible.
Edit: also Bluetooth tuning comes in clutch and furitek customer service is pretty good. Also the ability to use other companies motors with it as well. Oh and the BEC, and 3s capability.
@@JUSTHAVEFUNRC It's the truth.
@@shockman8014 I used to think that furitek was expensive till this thing.
@@JUSTHAVEFUNRC truth, I would much rather stay brushed with a 14 dollar torque beast 50 and call it a day
Wonder who made this garbage hw? Sounds like a castle
Thanks for the test man. Looks like I’m definitely going to stick with the Furitek. I’d pay double just for the smoothness.
$50 cheaper, 50% worse than the competition 😅
Buy it once, buy it right people
Agreed. All this does is highlight the value of the furitek systems.
I was on pins and needles when I saw your shorts and I couldn’t wait for your vid it was amazing!!!!
I think I may want to get it for my deadbolt for sure! Thank you 🙏 awesome video like always !
Furitek is my go to brushless system. A couple dollars more but well worth it !!!
They’ve still got the most refined and capable system I believe
Thank you for making this video! I just recently bought and installed this system into my Scx24 Deadbolt and had Spectrum replace it under warranty because of the glitching at low speeds 🫣 then after the 2nd one doing the same i asked for advice and they are now sending another combo 🧐 I cant believe this made it out of the factory still having this issue 🤔 I mean maybe for a mini " rock bouncer" or something like that, but not for a crawler. Thanks again for making this video!!🙏 I no longer thing my Deadbolt is cursed 😂 I should've spent the extra $50 for smoothness 😔
Ill wait for hobbywing to do it right with their own branding and tunability.
Would LOVE to see a micro hobby wing
Thanks Adam! Got one ordered to replace the Furitek that keeps biting my drive shaft. 😁
I have figured this out and it's thanks to two fmrc that help me I reset all of my furitek and I left them just like that besides I made sure I done it update and then I did not mess with really nothing besides voltage cutoff I think I put it 3.2 and that's it and they're doing amazing amazing no caulking no nothing
Thanks for the honest review Adam! I am concerned with the lack of tunability with the Spektrum system and for the extra cash, I will stick with the more versatile options available for these tiny rigs. Good beginner brushless system is a good assessment. Thanks again!
Thanks for watching!
Check out the car around 15:05. When the steering is fully locked it binds and the front wheels snowplow. Turned the opposite way it does too. You can see it in other parts of the video. Not sure what words other than bind and snowplow fit.
I think what you said nailed it. Curb your expectations.
If you’re experienced with brushless systems on 1/24’s. Then yea you’re going to turn your nose up at this and not be impressed.
For someone like me who wants to dabble but not spend $400 on a fully optioned brushless set. It’s perfect, and I dont need all the adjustability from furitek. Keep it simple for once.
$80 brushless setup, and it works with the AX24 stock esc so i dont have to shell out for another TX/RX. I think its a great option for some of us who don’t have a whole lot of money to throw around.
Exactly!
Same reason & more why I just picked one up for my over weight Deadpool. Also I feel I don’t want an App to fine tune anything. How about they decide not to support it anymore or decide to charge you to keep your settings or worse have it work, like Tesla charging customers $9.99 a month to have working Heated seats and other options on the car. No thanks, Big Brother doesn’t need to watch over my R/C Crawling toy my kids and I use, how & when we use it. I got nothing to hide however I like to avoid overreacting possibilities from anyone. We got enough of that already. The Horizon name is on the box, not on FuriTek products. My motor is smooth at low end. He may have got the gear lash a bit tight is my opinion. Quieting down the ESC noise was a major win for me personally, I agree it’s very irritating. Now all they have to do is offer a better motor later on, I’m sold & quite happy. S2 batteries are plenty for me, my sons and our needs
Yes awesome set up I’ll probably scope one out later too many things going on right now. Appreciate your sharing will watch out for the next video
Good video, man. I am a fan of the spectrum line. I have used their stuff in some of my bigger scale rcs. Great save, by the way.
Thanks for watching!
That was my concern when I noticed it was a 4300kv. Lower kv would have been better. Hopefully they will come out with another motor option
I agree, its like a racing motor.
We need to keep in mind that an aftermarket radio would clean it up a bit plus you can tweak settings on the upgraded radio.
Looks like I’m sticking with a reaper until I’m ready for furitek. That slow crawl just wont cut it. Great review as always
I like that it’s a direct drop in replacement, with little to no mods needed. But uhh, slow speeds are kinda lacking. 3S isn’t really a thing for crawling (IMO) so no big deal on that, but I’d like slower speeds (or a two speed option). For the price I can see why they went this route, good middle ground for the average buyers, but for those looking to really CRAWL they’re going with Furitek.
Completely agree.
Loved the vids keep it up
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the vid and am gonna stick with furitek and not down grading my batteries to a 2s max on the Spektrum. Seems Spektrum has to make better improvements for the smaller scale crawler world. It’s looks great for small scale bashing lol 😂
I was able to able to fit a HW 1080 and used a hot racing 66T brushed motor with v1 receiver in my injora rock buggy kit.
The BEC specs in the manual are only 5v/0.3a, not the 6v you quoted.
I saw conflicting information online before I posted this, should have gone to the manual first
I wonder if going with the Injora 1t/12t underdrive gears would help at all with the jerky slow crawl. I love how it's plug and play with little to no modding, but I can get a better crawl from my Gladiator with my stock motor. Does this motor work on the Power Wagon?
For myself, I am not a huge fan of brushless for the small scale rigs. I have one of my 24s set up with a outrunner and it works great but i perfer to run either the OX or MOFO brushed motors in the rest of my rigs.
Great video!!
Thank you, I learned a lot from your video!
And spektrum thought paring it up with the v1 esc was a great idea... Indeed Indeed you do lol
Fury teck is definitely not in trouble.
Maybe they will get a way to tune it like furitek has. Without being able to tune it its hard to really compare, I think. But a great video as usual.
If it had tuning capability I think it could potentially be a great setup.
Have you tried turning down the throttle limit switch on the back of the radio to lower the low speed? Thats what i do on my brushed systems when i need more crawl control.
I did, and that helped a little bit. It still has the abrupt power delivery once it engages but the low end is a little more manageable
What mods have you got on this compared to stock and is it better than the scx24 gladiator, I'd like to buy one or the other
The bigger tires really ups how good it looks. Can you show some different body ideas for the AX24? Bodies you have around. I think I've seen you have better results with the brushed motors from LGRP?
Sure, although I haven’t tried any other bodies on the AX personally. I do feel like the reaper 66t or Mofo torque beasts are smoother than this
I hope they do a lower kv version that would be better honestly but this is still really good to see some options out there
Competitive options are good as they can prompt the overpriced competitors to lower their prices. This system might have Furitek considering doubling their prices.
@@shockman8014 yeah I fully agree with you that’s why I’m hoping we get more lower kv options. I think this set up would be good in a scale build rather then extreme crawler
@@shockman8014 I'm hoping the new Furitek ESC that dropped the same day as this one has this one on clearance by the end of summer with the motor being sold separately at a discount. I bet it's better with FOC control than sensored 😂.
You have to understand the furitek is a outrunner vs a non. Every outrunner is going to have better low end control.
Why is it not good to tighten the lock nut on the spur? Just curious because I tightened mine down and that might be one of my problems with my noisy driveline. 🤷♂️
It's a big power drain on your motor and will prematurely burn the motor out (speaking from experience). It could certainly be contributing to your noise issue
Seems like it would make for a great “trail” style truck to just thrash around with, not good for crawling. I bet Axle would LOVE it! LOL😂
He did love it! Lots of punch for him to trash with 🤣
I have a scx24 gladiator with the injora brass 50g wheels and 62x22 tires and the RCAWD portal axles, weighs about 550 grams now I think. I have stock ESC and a purple injora motor and now that combo sucks. Would this be any good for that or should I just go furitech? What motor/esc do you recommend?
I would suggest going with the Furitek setup. It's worth it, especially if you like that real slow crawl
Adam, could you hook the motor to a furitek esc? Just wondering how the motor would work with a good esc.
With the bullet connectors it would take some modification to do so. I am also curious about that though..
My question is: Does it have multiple outlets like the stock ESC to plug in your steering servo, lights, & battery?
@@nunocarneiro464 👍🏻
Can I plug any receiver to the esc? It seems posible beca use it has the 3 pin connector
As long as it has a throttle input I believe
Have u had any issues with the motor sensor wire I have this motor esc combo and the sensor wire came undone so it won’t work no more
I have not. The wire has thankfully held on
I love all the hate from everyone who hasn’t even tried it. People do you ever think this might be intend for the average hobbies tout there who wants a brushless on the cheap side? Yep it’s the internet.
That’s why I didn’t want to crap all over it. I think for someone who wants a hassle free system this is a good option. It’ll be a gateway product into the brushless world, and once they try the higher end systems they’ll understand the differences in a big way.
NOTE!
The spektrum setup does NOT have FOC (field oriented control).
Furitek on the other hand does.
Could I plug the new esc into the stock esc with any brushless kit?
These new spektrum esc/rx combos will accept any brushless kit that uses an external esc.
I wonder if you had gone with the flysky gt5 in it if you could have adjusted the throttle curve enough to damped the jump off the line. And i think at 90$ dollars it is still too much considering the performance. At 50 to 60$ USD it would be worth it. Thanks for sharing, though. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Possibly, and I can give that a try later on.
@@CapeCrawlersit’s been later!! Have you tried the gt5? I’m thinking of getting the is setup with a gt5,it will not be like the lizard pro but I’m sure it will be ok.
would it be compatible with the trx4m? i realy like this system and im waiting to find info on the trx4m compatibility
great vids m8
It is not compatible with the Traxxas ESC/RX that I am aware of. You would also need a different pinion to fit the Traxxas
I hope the specs are wrong in the manual concerning the BEC circuit. Based on your video it seems to throw those stock servos pretty good though.
I’ve seen conflicting information about the bec. But you’re right, the steering is very fast
If all I saw was the run portion of the video without audio I would have no idea this was a brushless system. Does it run without the sensor plugged into the motor?
I agree. I haven’t tried without the sensor wire, but I can give it a shot
Hey, just some thought. But ever thought about trying to mod the mini x 28 system to one of these from Hobbywing? I’ve been pondering the idea for my trx4m. Maybe you could get a first hands on test for it?
It’s the Hobbywing sensored brushless set up for the mini z
I keep hoping they will make a scx24 and trx4m version for it.
I have not thought of that, but I would love to try it! I have the hobbywing setup on my 1/10 and it's great. I'll look into it
@@CapeCrawlers Heck yeah man. That would be awesome. Especially if you can get it into a trx4m. Look forward to the video if you can make it happen. I appreciate your channel and all you do for the community. Thanks man!
Dang furitek had some problems but there good and put mofo in with that and to the moon we go
A better cheap option is to stick with brushed but use the furitek iguana esc. 30a 3s capable
Very true
Have you tried running it without the sensor cable plugged in? It's acting more like a sensorless motor. Reminds me of the 4200KV brushless motor I have in my 1/16 Hyper Go.
I have not, but I will give it a shot!
@@CapeCrawlers if it doesn't make a difference I'd reach out to Spektrum or whoever you bought it from to see if you can get a replacement.
wouldnt run for me with sensor cable unplugged. anyone finding a solution to this ? im using fs gt5 and adjusting throttle settings hasnt helped. sucks that i ended up at this video after buying and not BEFORE 😂
Do you run vented on your comp pin pros?
Yes I do
This thing is typical spektrum. Absolute waste of money imo 😆
I was thinking that! $90 later and no real gains apart from a little wheel speed... Meh!
I can’t wait to see your review Matt, assuming you don’t cancel your order after this video!
Really makes you wonder who’s testing these products lol.
Edit: maybe this is axials new plan. Decent chassis with junky electronics. To upsell you to barely better electronics.
I got another thing in mind also there's a couple Motors I have tried farts brushed that are really good the torque Beast 50 turn the injora pro also there's a company called maker fire that does a 50 turn that is insane I figured I would put one of those Motors on their butt with a 14 pinion and singing because they got such good low-end you just need a little bit more will speed but the pro really does have great wheel speed and I would like just a little bit more what I would really like is for Fury Tech to figure it out just a little bit further I mean
I totally agree with you the makerfire 50t motor is insane super torque and really good low end!
Maybe it’ll be better with the other gear, Yep I’m here watching
at $90.00 I'll pass it looks like it not worth it to me
Put it on a sr315/dx5c.
Dial up some throttle Expo and turn down the throttle rate, just a tad, should smooth it out...
I’ll try that!
why is the kv so high for a crawler motor...am i missing something?
Good question
Looks to be the same design that they run with the mini-z drift car
It behaves like a drift motor!
Like a baby Castle setup
Hi... I love your video ... But i have a question because i'm a noob in this game 😂 ... How do you control the 4ws ... if I place the servo in ch3 I can only control it with the 3 position button of ch3 but I cannot control the steering angle... so I bought MEUS Racing Four-Wheel Steering Control Line, 4WS Control Board, and Servo Control Line are Suitable for 4WS on amazon the problem is that when I change direction mode the central position shifts so I have to constantly modify it with the trim... and I can't find anywhere to solution to my problem 😥 I use a scx24 bronco and a jlu 2019 which have the same electronics...
Best way is to upgrade your radio and receiver setup. The Flysky gt5 is a great, low cost option. But for truly functional rear steering control you’ll want an aftermarket radio
Would a trx4m be able to run it?
Possibly the motor itself if you could wire it up. I’m not sure if the mounting holes would work. You’d also need a different pinion gear and esc/rx to run it
curious if this would fit the trx 4m
It would take some modifications I think. New pinion for sure. Not positive it would bolt up to the TRX4M transmission
@@CapeCrawlers thank you
If it was priced around $50 I would be a lot more sold on it but for it being $90 and having no tuning options and that slow crawl is a deal breaker for me after having Furitek and Mofo Systems I run in my 4 trucks.
I really wish I hadn’t spent the $90 on this combo, it was worse performing than the stock brushed SCX24 motor/ESC. This was a huge disappointment in my opinion. It’s not smooth, doesn’t have good slow control at all and it lunges. I returned and replaced it with a Furitek system that is everything I could ever ask for in a micro unit. This is just my opinion and I hope it helps.
It's 4300 that's Insanity for those little cars and not just that before the KV I've been playing around with some things from mofo RC and I got to tell you the 3400 revenge of pancake and also the 4100 band motor you wouldn't believe it but those both have amazing startup amazing low-end crawl but I have the 1900 bam on the way with a 14 what you hear a lot of guys saying V up and gear down
I was pretty shocked by the kv rating.
Wouldn't it be more than just $50 less? Since the Furitek also needs a new transmitter.
Hey adam, great upgrade vid....sorry to bug u again, but what over drive gears r u using in the trx4m bronco...i see some on injora but not sure which to get since there r four sets...thanks man...keep up the great work!
Hey Brett, I’m running stock gears in the bronco (diff gears). I will be experimenting with overdrive/underdrive gears soon though
Two main problems with this setup. 1) 4500kv. That is too high of a level of kv for a crawler. A better kv range is around 1000kv to 2000kv. 2) It's an "In Runner" style of brushless which decreases the torque gap surface area compared to an "Out Runner". More "Torque Gap" surface area = more torque at lower speeds.
4500 kv on a 12mm motor is like a 1000kv on a 36mm can motor. If they made a motor this small in 1000 kv it would hardly even turn... The kv is good on the motor, especially for an in-runner. The part that sucks ass is the quality inside that motor ie windings/material, sensor, balance, magnets and so on.... Also, the ESC is junk and has no ability to control the motor.
Hi, I'm new with this mini crawler hobby. I really want to purchase this motor but I'm not 100% sure if it is compatible with my SCX24 Jeep Wrangler JLU (AXI00002V2T2). A little advise from you is much appreciated. Nice video by the way, liked and subs. Thanks
Try the DinkyRC esc w/ any Mofo motor & never look back 😂
I think I need to!
Will it fit a trx4m?
No, not without overhauling the receiver
@@CapeCrawlers I’m running a flysky rxtx already. Thanks for all the awesome content bro!
Yeah I got to say not a whole lot of your trucks walk straight up that ladder foam
Maybe you need to recalibrate the ECS?
I wish it had tuning capabilities
Hold the power button down and it might let you do it. There should be something in the manual.
its almost like it is identical to the dynamite system... i wonder?
Seems ok but I rather pay 39.00 for the RCAWD 180 motor 51T tranny combo and get a better slow crawl out of my scx24 won’t have the same speed though but I’ll be fine. 🤣🤣🤣
I just think if I’m gonna spend 90 dollars I may as well spend a little more for the better set up.
furitek breathe sigh of relief. also Venom motor and bluetooth Lizard Pro combo currently $90
Bought one blind from the LHS, the shuddering is un bearable especially on the downhill. Very disappointed.
Furitek is better...
And it sounds like your pinion/spur mesh is tight...
I have one of these and this looks so bad I don’t think I’ll even use it
Disappointing and not something I would ever use. It's not a good value if it doesn't do what you need it to do.
I would love to see some competition for Furitek to help drive prices down a little. 1/10th scale $$$$ for micro parts stings a little but Furitek still has no competition. This firma system is TRASH! For $30 I can get a FMS TX/RX, add a $15 brushed Injora 50t pro motor, $5 for a pack of servo plug adaptors(or change plugs), and it will out crawl this firma system all day for about $50. Spektrum needs to get a clue, crawlers should have a smooth slow speed, and not an abrupt start n stop feel.
Im disappointed with the results. Could a gearing change the result? Gear it lower. But, ya shouldn’t have to with such an upgrade. Definitely not worth $90 for such minimal gain.
What a disappointment. I expected so much more atleast a slower start up . I’ll happily pay the extra 40 on another furitek but it is nice to see someone else with a bigger name dipping their toe in the water of the micro game.
This setup doesn't seem to be built for a crawler. Too many cons for me.
It feels like it belongs in a racer. The way it hits hard in the middle and top end is not very useful for crawling
No
Adam, I love your optimism, but clearly this esc is not worth the $$, slow crawl seems non-existent, just as twitchy as before, and can only run 2S. If I installed this thing I'd like to know what the return policy is and send it back asap, it's not inexpensive, just cheap. The furitek Python absolutely crushes the Firma, and can run 4S with two full size servos. Thanks for making this video, now we know what NOT to buy. Peace ✌
I am the eternal optimist, but a direct competitor to the Furitek setup this is not
Man you gotta be a Toyota guy huh ?
Haha how can you tell?
* not cheap
* noisy
* crap bec
* no support for more than 2s
* inrunner but has a big hole, so not waterproof [dumb as hell]
* puny torque
* pointless sensored system, as it's not even as smooth as the better brushed escs, let alone brushless
looks like an utter waste of money
I just bought this motor and esc combo. It's absolute trash. Just save your pennies get the furiteck stuff. Nothing against cape crawlers, but just going through looking for videos on.. how to make this kit worth the money
Its rough. I've put it in my sons builds because he likes the wheel speed but I couldn't find a way to crawl with it effectively
@CapeCrawlers yeh dude. This is my first little 24 adventure. I've built piles of high end comp stuff in the 1/10 world. Maybe I've just been spoiled but this really has kinda turned me off of the 24th scale again. But I've found your channel so not all lose atoll
You never recalibrated your throttle position with new setup that's why its so jumpy! Its a shame you steered all these potential customers in a different direction!
Let’s be hone here… at $90, a $14 50T brushed motor is a better upgrade. Between injora, samix, mofo and even the rgt motors they not only perform smoother but are a fraction of the cost of this brushless setup.
I don’t see why you’d even bother using it at all when majority of the performance is in the mid-high range rpm. Not at all where you want the power band.
Complete waste of money in my eyes.
I feel like if this was a product you’d spent your own money on this review would be polar opposite to what you share here.
My son uses it in his AX but he is all about speed and rock bouncing, so for him its perfect. It's not usable at all for slow speed crawling in my opinion.
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Kinda blows in my opinion. Your positive intro was debunked by its performance.
I had higher expectations as well
Not impressed.