Axial AX24 Build - Furitek BRUSHLESS Motor Upgrade! HUGE Performance Gains!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I revisit the Axial AX24 XC-1 build! It's been a while since I featured this rig, primarily because of the binding issues I have been experiencing with it. Recently, I diagnosed the issue as the stock esc. I swapped in a Furitek Lizard and immediately solved the issue. But now I take it one step further and install the full Furitek brushless conversion kit. This motor upgrade completely transforms the AX24!
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Timestamps
Binding/ESC issues: 2:17
Benchmark course runs: 3:37
Lizard Ultimate and brushed motor demonstration: 5:53
Close look at the Furitek kit: 7:40
Finished product and first runs: 11:40
Upgraded course runs: 15:09
Final thoughts: 21:51
When I upgraded my servos on my AX24 I needed to set the trim for the rear as well. So I disconnected the front servo from the ESC and then set the trim for the rear. Plugged the front back in and it stayed right where I set it. It tracks better now than stock out of the box.
So you plugged the rear into the CH1 to trim it and it stayed?
Exactly what I do too
@@CapeCrawlers yep that's what I did
Can you explain how you do the whoe process? Mine just goes back to what it was when I plug it back in
Your videos are great. For a product review video, you knocked this one out of the park. Definitely my favorite RC channel. I appreciate what you do for are hobby and thank you. 👍🏼
Thank you, I appreciate that!
There were two reasons why we decided to bring the skid plate lower. One was of course clearance for the motor but the other one was to bring the weight of the transmission/motor lower on the chassis itself. The loss of ground clearance is more than made up by the lower center of gravity. I'm glad you enjoyed it 👍.
The whole package worked together extremely well! Super happy with it. It completely changed my perception of the truck.
What is the absolute ultimate motor transmission package for this set up??
@@bdog7262 I prefer Lizard pro and micro Komodo for this one but to be honest everyone is different in how they drive so you may get 100 different answers to that question 😅.
@@Gamyrc is the micro Komodo the only size that will fit in this? Also could you help me out with telling me what are some awesome axles for this build. I’m starting from scratch and want to do this right the first time. Save money that way. lol I want the best of everything
Awesome video as always, Adam. Making me want to get one of these.
Thanks! It's a fun rig!
I believe that I will be doing that same thing because you really showed it so well
Drops down a tad and moves it over a tad. The red part is the same for scx. They just made a new skid to be able to run the brushless. I tried without skid but it hits the link and bottom of battery tray. Glad to see they listened to me
Awesome video Adam 😊 what a difference in handling, it's like night and day
Huge difference!
Super sweet, will catch on the next one
Thanks for watching!
Great vid Adam!
Thanks for watching!
Rear servo trim solution!
I cut two old steering links so I had the correct length to align the rear steering. Then I used marine grade heat shrink tube to glue them together. It took two tries to get it right.
Also with an Injora red 050 motor the crawl control is awesome!
I did the steering modification to the short drag link Not the knuckle to knuckle tie rod link.
That's some clever problem solving right there!
I put an Injora motor on mine and the crawl control is much, much better. Not awesome but better. It also has a lot of brass. But when I see the technical and side hilling I will not put another penny into it. I hardly ever play with it. For the money I paid for it and the money I put into it I could have had something much better.
Nice man ! Works awesome 👍🏻
Thanks! I enjoy it so much more now!
agree with the new up grade i have the injora 50 in mine and the brass plate but the wine with a little weight is insane
Keep up the up grades and the new builds
Great video man keep going 🤙
Thanks! Will do!
Great video! I have the RGT v2 defender. I love the look of it, but the slow crawl ability is crap. Last week I ordered an fcx24 with a bunch of upgrades. Today I ordered an fcx24 esc to put into the RGT v2. That slow crawl ability is what makes these things fun. Can't wait to upgrade the RGT v2.
I agree with you about the slow crawl. It's probably the only vehicle oriented hobby where making it slower is better lol
Wow you just fixed my issue with the rear trim, can’t wait to mine done like this.
I wish Axial had a trim function for the rear from the factory. It's a shame to have to find these expensive workarounds.
I agree, but have to say the slow crawl looks pretty cool.
After upgrading the servos and couldn’t align the rear very well I had to use the round disc servo horn just to get it close but it’s still not perfect and it’s ugly this way so I was excited to see you found they cure ha!
Been thinking of getting the AX24… With the Deadbolt and C10, I’m really getting into this hobby! Dad and even my young girls LOVE these things. They want another C10, a Bronco and the wife a Jeep. If I do that might as well get another for me, and I’m thinking AX24 ;)
That is so awesome. You got the whole family into it!! Love it
mine weighs 436 with a 57% forward bias and 50/50 side to side and its a monster. I have picks and videos on IG showing it on the scales too. That furitek will obviously be a game changer though! 💪💯
Yours is rad. What scale do you use out of curiosity?
@@CapeCrawlers skyrc bluetooth corner weight system! Great piece of equipment and really a bargain price compared to the older models. Setup is very simple and straightforward. Would highly recommend if your looking for a corner weight system!
adjustable links are the way to go. mine somehow worked with Treal links front and rear and the rear link connected on the top hole in the servo. I had adjustable links on hand though so I'm putting those oh the other AX24 in my build series. 💪💯
That's a way easier solution than overhauling the transmitter combo!
@@CapeCrawlers 💯
Far as the servo for the rear if you run proper steering link that will solve the issue your having. There are one made where the link mounts to the knuckle and the top arm is a certain length to account for the servo horn.
Great crawler does great on your course.. Now I hate mine, lol. Thanks for the ideas of what can be.
LOL I hated mine too! But it can be revived!
Looks good man! What a change. One thing I noticed, I thing you could get away with mounting the ESC and receiver flat to the panel instead of sideways. The way you have it mounted seems to raise your center of gravity. Might be wrong.
I think you're exactly right. It's awfully tall right now. I need to tweak that setup.
ive seen people set rear steering trim by cutting the stock arm that goes from the servo to the rack a drill it for a small bolt with head cut off and adjust that way
Having trouble getting the stock transmission to install in this upgrade kit. Do you have pictures of how it looks assembled?
How do you manage to fit the body after installing the new receiver and module? seems the body won't reach the velcro mounts
I have the AX24 in my cart with the Furitek Stinger and other upgrades totaling ~$500. I can either do that or get the 1/10th K10 High Trail I want. I can't do both just yet.
Good video! I have been having the same issue with my ax24. Took it all apart twice, trying to figure it out. Swap in a mofo rc 30 motor too to see it would help. Definitely going to Swap out the asc now.
I was going crazy trying to figure it out! I almost put the thing up for sale I was so frustrated
@@CapeCrawlers yeah I haven't even touched mine in a few weeks other than putting on some mofo beadlocks wheels on it.
I want to do brushless soon but i have no clue what I would put it in! I've really fell in love with the look of the ax24.
I'm eager to see what you choose. With this kit I don't think you could fit anything other than the micro. I did see Matt at 2FMRC put an ROP in his but completely reworked the chassis.
@@CapeCrawlers I don't think I'll put it on an ax24 right now. I'm thinking about putting it on a deadbolt and making a comp build, but I'm not the richest person in the world so it might be a little later than I want but I'm definitely going to do one this year. I love my c10 to much to change the motor and electronics! 🤣
Love it
hit the bind button a couple times and the light will blink however many times the number channel you're on. trim accordingly. turn off controller and turn back on to save and get back to the original channels
I’ve heard of you switch the front and rear servo wires, trim it, then switch them back, the rear will be set. Obviously if any adjustments are still needed a full repeat procedure is as well.
Don’t have one so, not certain this would work.
I tried that early on and I couldn't get the rear to keep the trim. Not sure if it's different with aftermarket servos, but my Emax's wouldnt maintain the trim
The ESC looks so clean
and the electronics
It's a great looking setup
That’s really weird my ax24 never had an issue with any binding. Great video, and love the channel
I'm glad to hear that! I must have overloaded mine somehow.
I did put some emac servos on it but still worked fine. I now plan on trying to convert it to a cheap injora chassis.
I have had that same noise at times on few rc trucks and cars. My dog herd it on your video on my tv and was looking to see where it was coming from 😂
LOL was he doing the head tilt and confused look?!
@@CapeCrawlers yes sir 😂
I feel the exact same thing I told my son that last night the exact same thing you said we all know that the stopping lectronics a junk if you're honest about it I mean yeah that you got a decent slow crawl but that's on the scx24
I’ve found that brushless motors increase everything on a micro crawler including vertical even if they raise the center of gravity the slow speed will make it just as capable on a slope as a brushless motor while improving everywhere else.
It's crazy how much of a difference that low speed torque and control make.
How much that combo cost?
And were we can order it?
😊
I just did this upgrade to mine yesterday and everything is good other than I get super bad torque twist? any reason to why that's happening. I mean its so bad that if I barely throttle forward the whole body is leaning.
Torque twist is terrible on this thing. I think the additional power just amplifies it. You could put some aftermarket shocks on and adjust the preload and spring combos
You should try Texoma's slayer chassis it's awesome! Mine is on fcx 24 axles. Park 250 motor injura shift servo(14 bucks but fast and powerful). Gladiator links by injura Tegu esc 3100 spectrum reciver. Injura scrambler style tires. 350 grams. Total beast!
I need to check it out. I have had several people recommend that chassis recently.
I couldn't agree more with you these electronics they fitted to the Axial AX24 XC-1 has got to be the worst on the micro crawlers from axial
Forward is bad bad but reverse is even worse...
And yes I have also spent many hours trying to find out how to centralize the back servo! after fitting my e-maxx servos.
So if you find out please let me know
Thank you for sharing another epic video with us 🤜💥🤛
The whole system is flawed. Good intentions but it fell short. So far I've only heard of folks switching the rear servo to the CH1, trimming, then returning to previous CH. But I tried that and the emax didnt keep it. Others have developed custom steering linkages to get the length to the point of centering the wheels. It's all crazy and unnecessary in my opinion.
@@CapeCrawlers yeah I managed to get my rear centralized by using the center hole on the servo horn 👍
And it's working great right now.
🤜💥🤛
The only way I've found to trim the rear servo is with adjustable steering links.
I've heard other folks say the same. That's a lot more cost effective than a electronics overhaul!
Hey man! On your flysky you should try your rear servo on channel 5 or 6 and then you can have truly independent 4WS
That uses the knobs at the top right? I've seen a lot of folks use that and it looks great. My only concern is one-handed driving
I love the course & the videos. I did the furitek stinger in mine. Cut off the top plate & cut the lower plate just behind the trans. Moved the rx & esc to the rear of the bottom plate & the stock battery sits angled between the rx & front frame rails. It’s a little monster now.
Sounds like a great setup!
You can trim the rear steering manually with an Injora threaded steering link kit.
That's a much more cost effective way to do it!
I love my gt5 radio for crawlers, like ya said 75 bucks it has a lot going for it.
Huge value in that setup
Can I just use the Furitek system and plug my steering servos in it or do I need another esc to plug with my servos?
You'll need a receiver to plug your servos into. The Furitek system comes with the esc, but no receiver.
keep it up
You got it!
What ESE did you use?
I installed 1/12T 33% under drive gears front and rear , the slow crawl is now much better than stock .
That's good to hear because I've got those on my bench right now debating on how best to utilize them!
I am also planning a front overdrive transmission in the future.
Will Furitek be selling just the ESC? I've got a slow-motion pancake waiting to go in my SCX. I like how the Bluetooth dongle is boxed up really nice. Any word on it possibly being waterproof?
I am sure they will sell just the esc. They did the same thing with the UTB18 and I am sure they will follow suit with this. No word on waterproofing. I can tell you that I used the lizard ultimate, which is waterproof, with the flysky on this and it worked great. So if that's a big concern you could go that route.
@@CapeCrawlers just ordered the Flysky a couple days ago.. you're a heck of a salesman 😂
Great video! Will share a link to the Lizard ultimate? Thank you.
Here it is: furitek.com/products/furitek-lizard-ultimate-40a-70a-brushed-brushless-esc-for-axial-scx24-with-aluminium-and-bluetooth?variant=40137154232410
But I will say I think it has been discontinued and replaced by the new furitek python
@@CapeCrawlers much appreciated. Thank you!
Hey Adam, have you noticed that the motor hits the front driveshaft on full compression? I have the same system and there is a perfect circle groove around the drive shaft where it hits.
Yes I have! I saw a friend of mine fixed this by reversing the male and female ends of the drive shat and then trimming the female end just slightly to make room.
@@CapeCrawlers that’s a bummer. The drive shaft is pretty extended, not sure I have much more real estate to trim more. I will have to give it a go. I reached out Furitek and they recommended I switch shock position which is interesting since that is not an option with the stock chassis. Maybe the angry sparrow would give more mounting options to prevent this.
Niiice 👍 it would be fine to see a comparison between this AX24 Furitek VS your titanium Trx4m beetle chassis w/ Furitek sys…💪 can you think about it ?
Sure thing!
Is it as easy to toggle between steering styles as the original control controller?
VERY easy. It's a switch on the side of the transmitter you can press with your thumb on the fly. Super simple. That is one thing I actually do miss about the stock electronics.
Hey mate I put a mofo rop in mine and when it flexes the front shaft hit the motor and is wearing a groove into it. Any suggestions on how to stop this? Thanks mate.
Yikes. That's a tough one. Any chance you could flip the skid around and mount it rear facing? Alternatively you could make some sort of stop, maybe a small screw in the skid plate that the driveshaft hits first before making contact with the motor?
@@CapeCrawlers I ended up putting spacers on the front shocks to limit travel. Worked really well and didn’t loose much performance which is good. Thanks for the reply again mate. Love your work.
At this point, would you recommend just buying the furitek pro complete rtr?
For me I enjoy the process of incrementally modifying a vehicle. I get a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction seeing the performance increase as I go. Buying the RTR is kinda like a shortcut.
Can the furitek brushless kit be installed and just keep the stock transmitter?
I’ve seen some folks use the lizard pro with the stock esc with success
What battery did you end up using? Does it sit on top of esc?
I’m still using the stock battery, or the EcoPower 450 trail batteries. It kept the same battery location
I put my oem remote on 50% for slow crawl
What was the box beside the new one called, and where did you by your Furitek kit at?
I used a FlySky GT5 transmitter and receiver along with the Furitek setup. I get my Furitek parts from Furitek direct or from Helidirect.
Thanks man
If I was to do this would my stock battery work with the sky fly receiver or the Furitek system
Hey do we think the cedar will fit into this rig?
I think it's too long but I am confident Furitek will release a skid or mount to make it fit!
Any issues with rubbing in the front drive shaft?
I can hear the tire lugs clicking as they touch the chassis but only at extreme angles and pretty minimally
My rear steering quit working on mine, I was at my buddies house it worked before I left the house got to my buddies would not work we plugged another servo into it there is power to the servo but the switch it’s not working does nothing
Thats a bummer! Do you think it's the esc or the transmitter?
@@CapeCrawlers i’m thinking transmitter because there is juice to the servo pushing the A or the B Button does nothing you can’t turn the back wheels by hand that’s How I can tell there is juice to the servo
Also if you have some injora double barrel springs swap them for the ax24 springs. Lowers CG some
Great suggestion! I have a ton of those lying around.
@@CapeCrawlers the ones I like are about .25 shorter then stocks. Hit me up on the tok tik and we can chat parts and all that anytime. Hope that limit chain worked for ya if you ever used it. Lol.
On the Note Fury Tech I feel like Nick's Motors 100% better so far navigate to Pancake so far so much better but maybe that's because I got the Revenge of pancake adjusted correctly on the blizzard Pro and I'm just still going to have to work out the Kinks on the new system
I love Nick's motors. The SMP is probably my favorite. The smoothness is unreal. I don't know if I could fit one in the AX24 without significantly reworking the chassis, otherwise I would go for it
what tool " bit set " do you use? can you link it?
Lately I have been using this tool kit from LGRP: littleguyracingparts.com/products/trx4m-complete-tool-kit?pr_prod_strat=use_description&pr_rec_id=be0408ccf&pr_rec_pid=8079136325944&pr_ref_pid=7132459761849&pr_seq=uniform
@@CapeCrawlers Thank you! i will take a good look at them!
What kind of tire its is it look way bigger
It’s the LGRP swamp kings. Definitely bigger than stock
##TLDR WARNING##
I got a new AX24 for my nephew, saw your first video and ordered some wheels/tire/brass and that Injora 050 50T and sent all that with it. My brother reports that my nephew is doing good with it, but its really jumpy. Just like your video, I'm assuming. After watching your video I figured an aftermarket ESC to the rescue, looked at all the Furitek stuff and I'm getting concerned over compatibility with the 2-in1 receiver on the AX24.
There are warnings on the Lizard Pro with BT dongle module (FUR-2073) that its not compatible with HRZ00005 receivers. Is the Spektrum (SPMXSE2425RX ?) that comes with the AX24 this variety with a HRZ0005 board?
You show the Lizard ULTIMATE (Fur-2226) running on the 050 brushed motor. That's exactly the performance I'm targeting (its better than I'm looking for actually), but its on the flysky receiver. You comment in the video that it will work with the stock receiver and radio. I looked it up and found the Lizard Ultimate has no such compatibility warning on the Furitek site. So with or without the FlySky, this is a potential solution @+$100
I've seen other folks that have bought the full Stinger package including the integrated Lizard PRO (in the box with Blue Tooth inside). That one also works on stock electronics. So i'm thinking that the Lizard Pro in the AX24 stinger package is not equivalent to the Lizard PRO that you can just buy by itself (beyond the cosmetics being in the box with integrated BT and everything).
Seeking lower cost solutions, I looked up the IGUANA ESC, thinking this would be a cheaper alternative, but same compatibility warnings.
Bottom line, i'm looking for a "good enough" brushed ESC, appropriate for the heavier than stock weight modded AX24 with stock receiver, and would provide a good slow crawl experience for a budding enthusiast.
Basically, how would you have fixed this without going Flysky and Brushless? That is specifically what I'm trying to avoid for cost reasons. The Ultimate is $110, feels like i should just get the whole AX24 stinger kit at that point. Is there a $50 or even $75 solution for brushed motors and stock radios?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I had to do some research before responding here. It’s easier to show you. Check out this short I just posted: th-cam.com/users/shortsU1CmNrgKvfc?feature=share
To summarize, I think your best bet is to wait for furitek to release the ax24 lizard as a stand-alone purchase. The stinger combo does work, but it’s a pricey upgrade.
Hope this helps!
@@CapeCrawlers Thanks so much for looking into this! I think waiting till they release it is a good idea. A radio isn’t in the cards and I think waiting for an ESC only or finding funds for the whole stinger kit will be the answer. It’s still a super fun rig as is.
how is it with the axial ESC?
I have to try this. I didn't get to it during my initial runs. I will test it in the next day or so and put up a short
Wonder if this rig is gonna get the NSDRC treatment. 🤔🤨🧐
It should. I feel better about taking the build further now that I have my issues sorted out!
@@CapeCrawlers Works WAY better now, it seems.
Im taking this AX and putting its goodness into a Scx24 platform, this thing is pretty terrible unit. Always cockeyed off to the right if its under any load. barely can climb 50degrees. BUT I think once its all installed into a stable Scx24 frame it will make for a awesome 4ws setup :)
The tried and true SCX24 platform to the rescue!
Komodo Vs. Micro Komodo shootout! 😉
Good idea!
@Cape Crawlers it would be great content, very informative and helpful 👌 plus, it should be fun
its funny i just remember it was the only video i had to mute just because of the noise aha
The noise was so painful!
I bought one , should have built one instead.
Sometimes you're better off that way!
Yeah putting a new motor in it don't do it really that good at Justice with that ESC it's like a start-stop switch that's it
If only money grew on trees
That's why I need to get my budget build video up. This little monster has turned out expensive
Complicated little truck
Yes it is. It was like navigating a maze getting this thing sorted out.
@@CapeCrawlers can't wait lol it's on my to do list 💯💪🙏
SCX24 - Hidden Secret! Channel 3 & 4 Trim and Dual Rates / End Points! Even Throttle Dual Rate!
th-cam.com/video/fhb5gr_iWd4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheShop-MiniRC
Thanks for the waste of time
Ax24 or Scx24?
AX
@@CapeCrawlers I appreciate that thanks. I need a new project 😂