The iPad's Odd New Feature
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- Stage Manager in iPadOS 16 is fascinating to me. I have a theory...
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Files update is more important than stage manager, I think. You can look at four apps, but you can’t work in all four at the same time…files management is the hidden gem of the update and nobody speaks about it
That's is something i understand
Still the file management on iPad os is awful 😣 even on iPad os 16
Completely agree, this is the only reason I'm not able to purchase the IPad!
Still does not have symbolic links. 😂
Agreed, just the addition of preview has changed my life
This is Apple desperately trying to keep the iPad a “tablet” and keep it in that market segment so it doesn’t consume their laptop division… which honestly I don’t think it would but I can understand their worry. Attempts by companies to reinforce these walls between divisions that they themselves have made kind of blurry have always upset consumers.
Yeah but the price of iPads keeps getting more expensive. So it’s either keep the price low and have limited capabilities, or raise the price and raise the capabilities.
Apple is keeping the capabilities low while also raising the price
@@casshernsins8333 just typical apple way
agreed. i'm sorry but if they were to make ipad os as capable as a macbook, there goes both the m1 and m2 macbook air sales. possibly might even steal people from the macbooks pro if they bring over the pro apps.
they really want to have a tablet and an laptop coexist, but they're already on the path to replacing the macbook with the ipad pro and air and seem to want to hit the brakes on that for as long as possible but still give useful good updates and still not wind up complicating their tablet and laptop lineups even more than they already are
the 13 inch M1 iPad Pro is still cheaper, thinner, bigger and more capable than the iPhone 13 Pro
@@orvvro that's like saying the tab s8 ultra is better than the s22 ultra 😒
I have the big iPad Pro that I use primarily as pencil/paper replacement for notes, homework assignments, etc... I think its a great device for this. One nagging gripe I have about the OS though, is that there still isn't the ability to have the screen split horizontally into top and bottom while in portrait orientation. When school was mostly remote, it would have been sooo nice to have Zoom or whatever video streaming app in the upper half with notetaking app in the bottom half while the device is in portrait so you basically have 2 stacked landscape screens. It seems like a no-brainer to me!
I never thought about it, but that sounds absolutely amazing!
Never really thought about it, but now that I read it, it really seems like a no-brainer
I can do that on my S8 phone from 2017😬. Come to think of it, I reckon that thing has more window arrangement options than MacOS
They’re probably saving it for a future update me thinks
@@katscandance surely the iPad is meant to be a useable product now?
they did add *something* btw, but it is the literal worst implementation of *anything* I've ever seen
Edit: lol, the 'something' is what the video is about
Nursing student here: my iPad is indispensable. I’m having to get a new one (I’ve had my current one for at least 4 years so it’s gone a while) because I truly love it’s note-taking ability. Our profs use various things like PowerPoint, Teams, Zoom, Canvas, etc and having the ability to write all over a PowerPoint they’ve sent and then exchange notes between classmates for studying. I would guess at least 1/2 our cohort are using iPads with Apple Pencil for lectures and seminars.
I think they should try making a really useful graphing calculator type of calculator app for the iPad. Thinking back to my high school days, that would've been insanely useful. Wouldn't need a TI-83 or whatever, and they could make it several times simpler and more intuitive. I had to graph equations all the time, and the extra space on an iPad would be perfect for graphing.
Something like WolframAlpha with a nice Apple UX would be amazing.
I want one on the iPhone too
dont you still need a TI-83 for exams anyway?
It's called Desmos
@@auliamate but still its probably easier to just have it only on exams
Stage manager seemed weird when it was announced, and that doesn’t change with each video I see where someone demos/explains it. I’m a pretty hardcore iPad user-I use my 11” Pro everyday, for work and leisure, and am regularly using split screens + slide over windows-but I just don’t ‘get’ how Stage manager will improve my workflow as its presently designed.
For me the point here is the display thing
Goodnotes (app that I use to do almost everything related to school) can have 2 screens of the same page opened, where you can write on one page and the thing you’ve written appears on the other page as well
So, with the new update I can open one screen on my iPad, connect it to a monitor display and use my iPad as it was a drawing table.
It fits really well into my workflow
It that kind of feature that seems odd at first but when we get used to it it feels weird without it.
I already have my stage manager setup and I loved it. Great feature tbh.
still not sure what stage manager is providing that the split view doesn't already achieve. between split view and just having the other apps open and switching between them, I seriously can't see why that's problematic, it also just looks so clunky and unproductive haha
It will if you attach it to a computer monitor… and good for light multitasking when isn’t
I’d be interested to hear a follow up once you’ve had an opportunity to incorporate it into your workflow, whether you find it useful, or if it confirms your skepticism.
iPad, it is an amazing piece of hardware held hostage by the operating system. We are at a point that an IPad or an IPhone could be transformed into a low performance MAC, but profits will forever prevent any of these from materializing.
Fun fact, in the early days of the IPad, Apple commissioned a few machine shops to create a frame for an IPad/MAC device but it seems the idea was not implemented.
If you're putting it that way then Apple itself is "held hostage" by commerce and by definition, commerce has to be driven by profits. If it were a non-profit organisation, however, it would probably be driven by something else.
Apple wants you to use each of their devices in a certain way. The different form factors are supposed to help do different things. It’s not just about pure compute, in which sense your comment is correct.
No. This video highlights a perfect example of how implementing Mac UI features on iPad sucks. Why would you want more of it?
@@niharbhagat who said making iPad a laptop replacement cannot be more profitable?
Samsung done this with dex. It's still not perfect but it's pretty close to the PC experience
Been trying to use my iPad as a strictly, trackpad-only device sometimes for Apple Pencil use with photo editing, however it’s only slightly available by editing on the iPad, looking at the iPad and having sidecar to the main screen mirrored, but it would be amazing if apple actually allowed mouse cursor control with the pencil and a pressure sensor to detect when “painting” or “cloning” etc would activate. Surprised they haven’t added this small feature yet
I haven’t taken much time to learn Stage Manager yet, but it definitely seems more confusing than it needs to be
wait till you got it on macos ventura. with a mouse its way more confusing and complicated to learn. at least in its beta stage
@@daniloistda imagine apple trying to catch up to samsung from 2018 with dEX
@@girlsdrinkfeck there should be something like Godwins law for Samsung fanboy comments
@@daniloistda aww u got triggered cuz apple devices still all act and look like a Vtech kids laptop toy
If there is any company out there that can make a tablet, that can also be a full blown workstation, its Apple. But they will never do it. Atleast not in the forseeable future, till the find a new way to monetise their consumers
There is one way of doing multitasking which is awesome and it works, its the way that Mac OS does it, same as the way windows does it, same as the way that Linux does it. Now that there is no real difference between a macbook and an iPad, like there used to be (Computer power), if apple admitted it, they'd have to scrap, a whole product lineup 🤣. they would much rather just sell you 2 different iterations of products and their accessories rather than a single product.
I appreciate the thoughtful way Marques presents technology on this channel. He isn't shy about addressing shortcomings (as he sees them) of a given device. But he does so in a way that is still respectful of the work that other intelligent human beings have put into the product.
I think he's approaching this as "a tablet", and faulting it for being too different than a basic "tablet". He's not wrong, but there are definitely different angles, now. That alone is worth some attention. Apple is creating the middle ground between windows 8.1 and a full boner laptop
i love watching his reviews - big like and fan girl from Ireland 🇮🇪
I'm subscribing to you just because your comment was thoughtful.
Yess!! Exactly what i was thinking while watching the video
This is precisely why Marques has been my go-to for tech for basically a decade. It's easy to share an opinion on a product or experience, but it's difficult to present thoughts in a way that is concise and doesn't feel overly subjective and emotional.
Well, I personally use iPad as a media device, you know, youtube, tv shows and stuff. Sometimes I do paint in procreate, the other times (not that many), some multitasking.
One day I was on my vacation and needed to connect to my office PC and do some stuff, and I used an iPad, remotely connected, had some chats opened in the stage manager, went back and forth. I think it was an "ok" experience, not considering the "aim assist" of a mouse thingy.
you can turn off the aim assist
I definitely want to know how to do this. Do I need to leave my laptop running at home to connect remotely to do work? Accessing my word and excel doc's with my ipad?
@@Texg1rl_ I was using teamviewer to connect to my home pc, and yes, I was leaving it on, on locked state.
I completely agree with your point of view. I’m a college student and i use my iPad Air 4th gen for notes taking and watching TH-cam. I’m a everyday user of the multitasking and personally i love it. When i saw the stage manager coming on the iPad I wasn’t really happy for to reasons: 1- my iPad doesn’t have the M1 chip. 2- it didn’t seem as easy and good to use as the multitasking. For these reasons I’m still happy to use the multitasking and stage Magee won’t convince me to change my iPad.
As a software developer, I can't imagine someone giving our team this set of requirements for a project. The whole multitasking flow is so confusing. Almost every "distinctly iPad" feature makes me think "who is asking for this?"
Yep, absolutely nothing intuitive about it, what is wrong with the standard way everyone else is already used to
I love it
Totally, and I had this sentiment *before* Stage Manager was released. The last 2 minutes of this video perfectly summed up my annoyances with iPad, but he forgot to mention how confusing it is keeping multiple instances (windows) of a single app running. I don’t even know how to invoke a second window of Mail for example, and I can’t even recall how I would navigate to the interface that manages those windows… So much is just hidden in the background and hella reliant on gestures. You literally have to strategize iPad multitasking because of the weird contraints forced onto each multitasking scheme.
That's just the Apple way of doing things, both in hardware and software.
Apple is the only one asking for it lol, Don’t get me wrong I have been messing with it for a few weeks and I like it, it’s just not intuitive and the resizing of the windows is just jank, it takes you out of what you’re working on and you can’t have more than one instance of an app running which is kind of jarring. It has so much potential it just needs refinement.
Most of the apps I use on the iPad are in full screen mode. However sometimes, e.g. while doing some research, split view comes into play. What I found interesting is what Craig Federighi said in this year's John Gruber WWDC talk show: Apple wants the iPad to have a very focused and clean experience unlike the mac where you can have windows all over the place.
Yeah people need to realise it's more work to do solutions like this compared with the “drag windows anywhere and resize however you like” approach. The number of window manager tools on Mac now suggest people was some thought and automation with window management, and that's what Apple is trying to do. Apple does not do the “release anything and we'll fix it later” approach and thats one of the reasons for their success. People just don't seem to get this. Apple doesnt always get it right (look at files management, which has always felt intrusive), but thats the philosophy anyway.
Even for the split screen mode, they chose to do that a weird way. I have an iPad Air and a Tab S8. I sometimes use them in splitscreen mode (not at the same time, of course) to manage emails while I'm watching a video. On the iPad if you click on a link in your email it dismisses everything on the screen and opens the link in your browser, filling up the whole screen. On the Samsung tablet, you can either open your link in Gmail or your default browser while also preserving your splitscreen layout.
Edit: I was wrong about iPad. They just have a different way of handling this kind of multitasking: slide over apps. I was just ignorant of the feature. I have since learned about it and find it is enjoyable to use, and maybe a bit of an improvement on splitting the screen into smaller and smaller windows.
yeah exactly that. I like the clean environment when I spent my time in a cluttered environment and it feels like a nice break and allows you to focus on a specific task. multiple surfaces on one screen isn't necessarily the best way and it doesn't magically make your ipad use more power of it's architecture. it just feels like it does but the true performance lies in the apps themselves. what matters more is how the environment can adapt and assist to your individual preferences
No reason why they couldn't give an option for iOS and MacOS - but they choose not to. Nothing to do with technology, its purely a cynical commercial decision. iPad Pro with MacOS would cannibalise sales from both the MacBooks and iPad, because you would no longer need/want both.
@@lurgan34 This. No excuse for selling a $1000 supercomputer that is artificially limited. Everyone loves Samsung Dex for a reason.
3:00 funny enough they brought the same old iphone weather app in default shipping 😂
Interesting analysis. So I started using an iPad as a sketchbook, image browser, concept board portfolio kind of thing before finishing the art projects on a Wacom graphics tablet connected to an iMac. But since the iMac OS stopped being supported any more and the iPad art programs improved, I’ve drifted into using the iPad as a both a portable laptop computer on the road and as the primary graphics tablet a lot of the time. It’s a bit frustrating as a laptop for spreadsheets, accounts and word type documents, great for concept/story board stuff and adequate for most graphic work- but just fantastic for portability. I watch my daughter push her iPad to do more stuff than I could with animation as well as multi-tasking, it’s probably more intuitive for her as she’s grown up on this tech and I didn’t.
I'm actually really happy with the current multitasking options. Having a lecture on one side and notes on the other and occasionally bring in the slide over calculator is a great workflow for studying. Only thing that always bothered me is how you can't have two apps vertically in portrait orientation. But stage manager looks too cluttered. Just give me a 4x4 grid i can resize and it would be perfect.
Hit the nail on the head with how I use it during school. That slide over calculator is one of the best things ever
Slide over is a good feature. But the rest is just whacky.
huh, you'd think vertical top/bottom would be way better than side by side in portrait, that's SO WEIRD! I just was playing with it now, you can't float a window top/bottom either, they should really allow quadrants and halves, would make the iPad way more useful
which calculator app do you like? lol that we have to 'shop for a calculator' still is so silly, biggest issue is ADS in freaking calculators that are free
Yesss a 2x2 grid where you can drag the middle to resize them all at once would be neat too
I use my iPad for resource management really, it’s excellent for viewing and editing on a basic level, but the second you try to do more either it takes an extra app, or odd work-around, if at all. But for note taking and project management it shines, it’s wonderful to use, and using it at school has been a joy.
I use my iPad mostly for sheets and music notation, and it is incredibly easy to use for that purpose. I'm not sure if this will be the update for me as a music student, but I'm sure it will come in handy some time in the future. Also I have the 11" iPad Pro early 2020 so it does not have the M1 chip. It will be exiting to se if the not that powerful iPads will support this in the final update though.
Which apps do you use for music notation
I use my iPad as my daily computer, and I think this update is a massive improvement for multitasking. I can have a PDF editor behind Safari so I can scribble easier. I can have translate behind my notes for quicker translations. I use my iPad for research (in physics and biology) as well as language learning, writing, and editing. I think it’s perfect for these needs, and really enjoyable to use. And again, not everyone requires coding or intensive programs for their daily work.
That's not what the complaint is about. For you, the m1 chip is unnecessary. It's like giving you a plane, when all you do is drive. For some people(like you), it's ok, but for the pilots, they want to fly, but apple is telling them no! Its just a waste at this point
@@gbengamedunoye6764 No, it’s hardly a waste when it has the power to run future OS updates. It’s better to have the issue with power be with software than hardware. Software enhancements will absolutely come, and the amount of power in the m1 iPads give them even greater future proofing compared to older iPads. Expect enhancements to stage manager in iPadOS 17 and beyond
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i do the same but I do need to code for R, you can use Rstudio cloud on ipad though, with a keyboard folio/magic keyboard and a mouse it is tolerable, but much better to use a PC or laptop tbh. For reading, writing, annotating PDFs and browsing the web for papers, then ipad with just the basic multitasking is already really good to me. I have not tried ipadOS 16 yet, wonder if stage manger would actually make a difference, cuz it just did not seem all that useful, at least without using a external monitor, which I won't use. The file manager updates though, whish we had more of those....
@@gbengamedunoye6764People try to argue like that for years considering the iPhone‘s chipset. Yet they forget that some Apple devices are getting supported for 7+ years because if it.
I have used both the 10” and 12.9” iPad and I felt the multitasking works much better on the bigger screen. With that said, I still use 95% of the app fullscreen.
The time when I do multi-app is when I need to take some notes/reminders while browsing the web or writing a message while watching TH-cam - which I found to be quite a good feature when you know how to get the most out of it. But still, like you said, it’s not that intuitive for most users.
Agreed, the larger the screen, the more useful the feature will be. On the iPad Mini I’m typing this comment on now, multitasking in this manner is kind of silly. If Apple makes an iPad with a 14” screen, for example, using Stage Manager makes sense especially if using a folio keyboard setup.
10"? You mean 11"?
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@@blindpersona1 I was finna say that
@@asdf51501 ikr I’m on the 11” rn and it’s rlly good for my purpose bc I use it mainly to draw
The split view use for drawing in procreate is incredible and it feels amazing to own this device, that’s of course until I want to work on a word document and 89 % of the features are not available for use on the iPad.
Yeah, I agree word sucks on the iPad!
Not to mention it gets buggy realll fast once you try to do anything relatively advanced
I am a full time iPad user and i feel you truly they need to fix this and pages just don’t hit the same
How could Apple fix this? Microsoft doesn't want full scale Office applications on iOS devices. That's not Apple's decision.
Amazing device, it changed my life, quite literally. I can record multitrack live instruments, work on Remote Viewing, take notes while watching a video, it’s endless.
But why I can’t use it to make a PS4 Livestream?
Why can’t the notes app make PDF page lines or export as PDF?
Why can’t I adjust the double tap of the pencil? If I write too hard it switches over!
I literally love almost everything about it and hate nothing.
I use my iPad (5th gen) mainly for taking notes with the Apple Pencil in class on Goodnotes. The most multitasking I’ll do is having Goodnotes on the right, and the lecture slides or the syllable on the left for reference. I also draw a bit in Procreate, though drawing isn’t as comfortable on the 5th gen iPad and it’s large gap between the glass & the actual screen 😅
I have a 2018 iPad Pro and it’s still fast! I used to use it for everything in college. Papers, notes, reading music…. Once I got my MacBook I switched to using it for everything except for reading music. I still use my iPad but only while playing music and I have a foot petal to change pages. That’s it. I went to just using the MacBook because of the ease of use and the multitasking capabilities.
When I first got my iPad, I only used it for digital art and some photo editing. But now I also use it for editing videos, I take notes on it, read on it(not just books, reading internet articles on the iPad is a breath) and even play some games on it. I’m currently learning chess with an interactive game.
The iPad has become my favorite tech product ever. I do t multitask a lot, and I usually don’t feel the need. I take notes while watching a video, or browse through images while I draw. And that’s enough for me.
Hey, look Apple’s target audience for the iPad
I’m a med student and I use my iPad Pro 13” as my only device. Sat down at a computer the other day and was really lost trying to navigate through settings, files, etc… I agree there are a lot of things you can’t do on the iPad that lots of people use a laptop or computer for, but I don’t do those things, so I’m now completely immersed in this iPad way of things. It’s like you said, they’re creating an ‘iPad way’ of doing things, and it really is just different.
I use my iPad in almost every configurable way possible. I have the keyboard case when I’m browsing the internet/using websites. I take it off and take notes with the Apple Pencil in class. I always have a few different apps in the slide-over open. I use split screen when I’m working on something, but need to quickly reference my notes on the other half. I use lots of widgets, and lots of custom made shortcuts/automations. A lot of the shortcuts I made I assigned a keyboard short cut to so I can run a quick “drop down app” over the top of everything i have open. I agree the water is a little muddy with all the different ways to multitask, but once I integrate it into my routines I find ways to utilize each one for what i need. I’m all for the new update coming!
For a lot of people the iPad does everything they need it to do. Computing isn’t the same as it once was, and Apple knows that. The iPad isn’t what I personally need a computer to be, but I’d be a fool to ignore the millions of people who are perfectly set with an iPad. As time goes on, and features get added, I do see the iPad becoming more dominant for the average Joe’s computing needs.
If navigating through files is an issue, you should really take some time to understand the basics of any unix file system. It's a basic tree structure. I feel bad that your early schooling (elementary school) didn't teach you to be comfortable with this. But using technology is just about problem solving (just as practicing medicine should be).
@@jblev736 lol, i’m 37 years old. I’m old enough to remember when home computers didn’t exist. I learned how to type on a typewriter, and our first computer only ran MS DOS. I obviously know the basics of a file system. The point was that iPad has created a different way of doing things: “the iPad way” and if you don’t use a laptop or computer regularly it become foreign to you. Like any skill, use it or lose it. I personally like that apple has decided to keep the iPad in a different airspace than laptops. I know this won’t apply to everyone, but for me, rather than trying to find a piece of hardware/software that could adapt to my needs or what I was trying to use it for, I took the iPad for what it was and i adapted my habits and computing to fit the iPad. It took a while at first to find the best way to get certain things done (and for a while I carried both my iPad and my laptop with me out of necessity), but now it does everything I need and doesn’t at all feel like I’m sacrificing anything.
I normally use my iPad for editing shorts form videos, research, recording voiceovers and sometimes recording videos with it. The split screen comes in helpful when I want to read and record a script with the Note app here and the voice memos app on the other side
I have a 12 inch iPad Pro with the M1 chip. I use it for taking notes in meetings with clients at work and any time in general I need to take notes. Also use it for basic browsing. Drawing and general art making is the main reason why I bought it because that is my passion, this is where the multitasking issues actually start to take place. Imagine watching a video, needing multiple reference photos in front of you and the art that you are actually doing. I think they should have a mode where you have one full page up and be able to put small windows on top of that where you have full control over placement and sizing. This would make it easier to do art because when a window gets in the way I can simply resize or move it to an obscure location
The big thing I really hate about ALL of these iPad features is a feeling of lack of control. When I adjust the size of a window, I want to adjust it to the size that I want in that moment, and having the whole window automatically pop into a predetermined window size undermines my sense of control. When I move a window around, all my other windows rearrange to different locations, and its not necessarily where I wanted them. When I rearrange a split screen slider, I’m stuck with fixed positions that don’t necessarily fit with the app sizes I had in mind. Even the way the mouse snaps to objects makes me feel less in control. Overall, it ends up being a slightly more frustrating experience, even if everything it’s doing is ultimately helpful. Just let me position things exactly where I want, because the way it is now feels like someone else is using the steering wheel at the same time. Sure, that helping hand may guide me but I feel more out of control at the same time
Windows are pre-determined because apps on an iPad aren’t written to have unlimited resizing. This is a limitation of the apps, not the OS. The sizes are determined by apps that support split view and those aspect ratios. Every app would look ugly like Instagram if they allowed unlimited resizing. There’s also the issue of hiding apps. The cursor on an iPad is not a precision pointing device. It simulates a finger. That’s why Apple cannot afford to allow apps to get hidden behind others except in full-screen. Imagine the complaints when a sliver of an app is shown from behind another app and you spend ten minutes trying to drag it to the forefront. That lack of precision requires moving apps around. The iPad has no desktop and cannot be expected to work like a desktop. Desktops doesn’t work with touch, and even with a mouse, it’s simulating touch with the round cursor. The failure of Windows 10 as a tablet OS should have made that clear.
@@techinrl9869 shut up bro it's apple if they wanted it to work they would. You will open your wallet for them time and time again and you will never be recognized. You are just another sale. Hate corporate fanboys so much.
I second this
I think Microsoft is doing a better job with Windows 11 on tablet devices compared to iOS16. Windows 11 is one OS that can work for desktop or touch, when you use it as a tablet the touch targets become larger & the icons become larger. So, resizing windows become easier, icons are easier to press, etc. But, otherwise the OS operates the same. Windows 11 also is slowly becoming clean & cohesive like Mac OS.
Personally I think Windows 10 had the wrong idea of it with a tablet mode, but Windows 11 is a huge improvement in that aspect. I think that there is a better way to merge desktop OS & tablet OS. But, imo Apple isn’t going in the best direction. Microsoft isn’t either but at least they have the right idea of it, at least I could deal with Windows 11 easier than the iPad which won’t give you full control
@@techinrl9869 Good points. I don’t want MacOS on my iPad, but I do want a greatly improved iPadOS.
Can we just appreciate how much staging is done in these frames? EVERYTHING is colour-coordinated to the subject of the shot. Everything is balanced by hue in the frame.
I actually missed much of the spoken content because I was inspecting the frame so intently.
Dang. Well done. *slow clap*
wait dude i would've never thought of that, no WONDER his videos are so satisfying to watch
I use my iPad mainly for work based web browsing split view with emails on a smaller sized window using spark app and a 3rd app view overlay for getting to other apps I use on the quick. Very handy and find it’s plenty enough and keeps things tidy from a use case perspective.
Since going to Uni, I've been starting to use my iPad a whole lot more. I used to only work on a full screen app but now I use pretty much all the different Multi-tasking modes to have different apps open and I've gotten pretty used to it!
No it won't be my computer, but now it's my Book, Notebook, and much more!
I mostly do illustration work on my iPad, so my most used case scenario is split-screen. I’d open Procreate on one side and have visual references/inspirations to work from.
How come you don’t like using the reference feature built into pro create ?
i do the exact same, i wonder if stage manager will make it easier by having a slightly larger canvas to work with and a floating reference window next to it. Or even being able to put the references app on a separate display from the ipad itself
I’ve used the iPad Pro as my “daily driver” for years. This will be huge for me. Even just having apps full screen on an external monitor. The new quirks regarding app movement and placement are fairly easy to learn if you actually need them… and anyone who doesn’t need them can happily ignore the feature. Three big use cases: 1) writing full screen on iPad with reference material and notes on monitor, 2) Apple Pencil in a notes app on iPad with main writing app open on a monitor, 3) video editing in full screen with reference material and notes on a separate monitor
Curious: how are you video editing with the iPad? Adobe or some other app and how does it limit your workflow?
@@AndrewOlivares LumaFusion
no offense but whatever "video editing" you do on ipad is just trash
@@AndrewOlivares Yeah, LumaFusion is the app I use. It’s a pretty full featured pro video editor, and feels similar to Final Cut Pro. It’s missing some tools and features and isn’t quite as “pro”, but it’s still really good. The main limiting factor is there’s no way to auto sync video and audio, so you have to manually sync your clips. On big projects you can run into track limitations, because you only have 6 video tracks and 6 additional audio tracks. But most of the time it’s fine. And, in fact, I enjoy the experience of editing on iPad more than computer… something about the touch screen and Pencil make it feel more fun. Rendering and export is fast even at 4K.
Just waited for the full screen function so 16 beta on my ipad pro 11 m1... and yes i love it this stage manager...also now i feel better the multi window management too.. so for me this is much better then before. Video editing with Luma fusion is great for me..
I mainly use my iPad Pro for note taking in school and occasionally use multitasking with split screening. I do think that stage manager is a better way to multitask but in this aspect, I think a simpler solution is found on competitor tablets, specifically DeX mode on Samsung phones and tablets. Doing it the iPad way may be original but they're definitely sacrificing simplicity for it.
Hey can I ask what app you use for school note taking?
I have the big m1 iPad Pro and I use it for college and design. I’m an engineering major and I exclusively use the touch screen and tbh switching to digital everything has been sooo nice. For my degree I need to be really organized and having all my hand written notes in one spot that can be accessed from any of my devices is MAD convenient. And for creative projects there are 3d modeling softwares that are comparable to my professional software on PC and it’s damn powerful, and the ecosystem benefits of apple are really nice. My iPad has become my primary device but it didn’t replace my main desktop though I have fewer reasons to use it. I love how it’s simplified my workflows. I constantly use spllitview since the screen is big enough to support them and I bet I’ll use the new shit all the time. Feel like this device was made for me.
Preach 🙌🏻
What 3D apps are ya talking about ?
@@Katatonya apps like Shapr3D check my channel you can actually do cad on a iPad. Takes some time to get used too but it works pretty good. And for sculpting you can use nomad. Plus all these apps run smooth even on the Base model iPad 2021.
@@Katatonya Probably something like Shapr3d
I use my Ipad Pro in exactly the same way @CancelGeese uses it but i bought my Ipad Pro 2 years ago, which means it is not M1 and i spent so much money but won’t get all the new stuff. Just really frustrating.
As a musician, I mostly use my 2018 iPad Pro for sheet music. While it excels in the areas I need it to, I do wish I could use it as an entire laptop replacement. The problem is, even though “laptop” features have become available for iPad (except I won’t get Stage Manager bc no M1 😭) you have to completely sacrifice the iPad’s trademark convenience to use them. And the fact that you can’t use desktop apps on it is a dealbreaker; I ended up needing to get a laptop anyway. That being said, it’s still a great piece of tech over 3 years later that I use daily.
Great video as always! I’m a freelance graphic designer, and I use an iPad as a support device for work. With Universal Control, my iPad becomes a third screen after my iMac & MacBook. I use it to keep my to do list and project notes up, run my work timers, and occasionally send invoices. I also use it on the go for presentations and emailing out files. I’m not too excited for the new features, Stage Manager seems unnecessary to me, but I also don’t want or need my iPad to replace my MacBook. I think you may be right that Apple is looking for ways to do things in an “iPad way”, maybe to justify having a third set of product lines instead of merging with MacBook?
Love how u always keep ur reviews honest to this day.
"It's a bunch of sizes Apple picked"
This pretty much sums up one of the biggest not-really-important but infuriating things I hate about Apple's products. The similar behavior of MacOS is one of the most frustrating things about using it every time I have to. Their "this is the way it is because we said so, and if you think otherwise you're wrong" is just... I like Linus's description: arrogant.
I use the iPad for almost everything. Writing, admin work, even photo editing. Up until late last year I was even editing videos on it. Unfortunately I was having some issues with bugs and the app I was using, so I had to shift to a Mac for video editing. Every other task I do business or personal related is done on the iPad. I truly love the new stage manager feature and it fits perfectly with the way I work. There are a few changes I would like to see but they’re minor. The core of what stage manager is what’s important to me right now and I think it’s exciting.
Still I find it odd to not being able to use camera on video conference apps while multitasking. Camera Kit should keep camera on while people are multitasking.
Also being able to record loom videos can be a great productivity kick but iPadOS cannot simultaneously record screen while camera is on.
On iPad if I'm taking notes or something, I tend to have my notes on that little vertical sidebar menu, or I do splitscreen. The other side is to look at PDF documents, web pages, whatever the presenter needs me to see.
When I'm teaching I use OneNote to show my lesson plan, and if I want to play music for the class (music teacher) I have spotify or TH-cam in that vertical swipe menu.
Other than that I use it for music production, and using splitscreen makes dragging files and clips from the files app into a music program is pretty nice.
Haven’t tried Stage Manager but use split screen every day on my M1 iPad Pro 2021 and love it.
When I had my 11” iPad Pro, I would use a lot of split-screen apps. On my Mini, I mostly use split-screen when I’m using TH-cam, since it doesn’t yet reliably support PiP. I mostly use slideover and PiP now
I wish I could connect the Mini to an external display without mirroring. I don’t even *need* Stage Manager, I just want to be able to make my little iPad a big iPad when I need it without having to worry about black bars. I just need one full-screen app to throw onto the external display, maybe also slideover and PiP
I have an iPad Air 4, I mainly use it with an Apple Pencil to take notes and read. Sometimes I draw or edit photos on it too. Being able to screenshot certain muscles and bones in Anatomyka and transfer those images to Notability is really great and saves a lot of time. There's a lot of iPad users in my class so I can say that they're really popular amongst the med students, most of them use an iPad 9 due to how affordable it was back when school started. (Apple pricing kinda went insane after November 2021). It's also really convinent to use it as a media consumption device, the screen is exceptional compared to my laptop and phone and the speakers are really good too.
My iPad is mainly used for content consumption (reading, listening, watching), document creation and editing on the go (use Google Docs and Liquidtext to mark up PDFs). Most of the time I don't use the multitasking features because I feel they are too clunky (using 2018 iPad pro), but I probably would use it more if it wasn't so clunky (apps that I use aren't supported well or are only iPhone apps like you showed in the Instagram app).
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I use my iPad for college, and I am so glad Stage Manager is coming to iPad. iPad’s trackpad support allows me to remote access computers and use iPad as a computer through desktop streaming. It becomes such a versatile device. It can be paired with the Mac as a 2nd display, can window manage now, and can complete many computer related tasks in a smaller form factor.
I use my iPad as an all in one notebook for school and have all of my textbooks downloaded on it too! Right now I use the split screen feature for when I am copying down notes from the textbook into goodnotes and sometimes it can be annoying to get the "perfect" size of screen setup for what I need, I'm hoping that stage manager will make it so that I can adjust how I want my apps to be displayed much easier. I also wonder how it will work with the apple pencil?
Insightful video. Good stuff
Being an iPad Air 2020 owner with the A14 chip, I understand that you cannot have 8 different apps open, the processor just wouldn’t be able to handle it on stage manager but I do wish that we could have the fancy full screen external display. I know the iPad can do this because some apps like keynote and apple fitness+ can full screen with no issue
I think there’s other limitations besides just the chip. The 2020 air also has a slower port that can only use a studio display at a lower resolution. Though as a fellow 2020 air user I feel your pain 😅
@@chidorirasenganz I have a a12x which is nearly as good as a15 but even that thing cannot do full aspect ratio external display. Apple is just shit with their products. S8 ultra is definitely a better buy for the most of the people than limited function iPad.
Ah thank you. I had an iPad Air one generation older than yours, the last one with a home button. I gave it to my sister because it was so weak and limited.
After a while seeing new features being added, I start thinking “maybe it would be good now”, “this feature would solve this or that annoyance I had back then”, etc.
But then comments like this remind me of the exact awful feeling I had when I was using it.
@@morezco my iPad air is still great for a lot of things. I use it all the time for school notes and casual internet but the operating system will never be able to beat a proper desktop computer like a mac.
But apple loves to offer all these really cool features to products but only if you buy the latest models. Kinda annoying.
@@anticommunist840 the a12x is on par with the a14 not the a15. It probably lacks the amount of RAM which would result in worse multitasking. Meaning while using one you only get 2-3 app instead of the standard 4-5 apps.
I can’t think of any reason to recommend the s8 unless you really like android
Hi. I’m using the iPad Pro for:
1. Sketching, design, handwriting recognition, web browsing, watching videos.
2. As a portable drawing tablet for the Mac using Sidecar.
I typically use full screen apps. But maybe 10-20% of the time I use split screen. And sometimes notes or Safari in a floating tall window.
I will probably never use Stage manager on the Mac. Looks incredibly space inefficient.
I will definitely try it out in the iPad. Although I don’t like the idea of not going full screen on the iPad.
I see why you think you wouldn't use stage manager on the Mac, but after running the Beta on my Mac for the past 2 weeks, I can say I actually really enjoy Stage Manager on my Mac. The main reason is because you can group whichever windows you'd like together, and then minimize them all and move to another batch of preset windows, in just one click. The fact that you can still manipulate the windows to any size you'd like, has made Stage Manager infinitely more enjoyable on my Mac than on my iPad. I'd recommend just giving it a try once the update actually drops, you may just find you actually enjoy it.
As for the iPad, it's so close to being amazing, but Apple still hobbles it at every chance they get. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
@@jmg5369 But with spaces in combination with mission control you are already able to do this. You can easily group whatever windows you like in one space and switch between spaces either by touch gestures or using mission control.
@@davidk1717 you are absolutely correct, but the new system is much more intuitive. I’m able to see up to 6 work spaces, running in the background, that I’m able to switch between, without actually launching control center. They’re all just there floating on the left. I really didn’t think I’d like it when I watched the tutorial during WWDC, but 3 weeks in now, I dig it!
I am a huge note taker on the ipad and using the side by side multi tasking is often the best option for me. So i can pop to the side look and then write what I need to
Thanks for the honest and balanced review.
I understand that stage manager requires a higher multitasking capability but its sucks that A14 Bionic iPads can’t use second monitors
Amen
A14 is a beast of a processor, they purposely screwed you over. Are you going to give them more money even though you have a perfectly capable CPU capped by greed? :)
@@claudep.1926 it’s a thing with all M chips so probably some limitation
And that makes the new M1 iPad Air more like a pro than the previous gen iPad Pro, how ironic.
@@claudep.1926 Yes, because the iPad is still awesome as-is. Got this iPad Pro brand new in 2018 to use for university. It is now my only mobile computing device (barring my iPhone). It has fully satisfied any laptop needs I’d ever need. Maybe you should try one sometime 🤡
iPad still feels new every day I use it…and I’m the type to upgrade parts on my PC every year. So that’s saying something. Running iPadOS 16 Dev Beta 4 rn.
I use my 2018 iPad pro 11" mostly for note-taking and school work. I love using split screen with two apps at a time which most commonly are notability and safari. I dislike apple for not bringing stage manager for the older iPads since when I try to revise my notes for my exams, it does feel a bit finicky to use a small display when I have a PC with two big monitors sitting by. They could have at least given us a "worse" version for older models, it could have had maybe 2 apps open at a time and have the external display support.
I use my 2020 iPad air only for note-taking through OneNote. It would be wonderful if we could have the full external display functionality. It would be a significant step closer to being able to leaving my windows laptop at home. I wished we could get newer functionality understanding that it will provide slower operation, have the option to turn it off - similar to Android.
I use my iPad Pro 11-inch for anything away from home, for example on university campus or in a coffee shop and predominantly for taking notes with Apple Pencil (for which I use the Notes app in split screen with Files or Safari. The exception to this is whenever I need some serious fan-cooled power for Computer Aided Design or programming. I use my MacBook Pro 16-inch as a desktop, mainly because I'm nervous about dropping it or having it stolen and it's not as easy to put in a backpack as the iPad. Universal Control is awesome and means I can use the iPad as an external monitor when at my desk; I'll often have Safari on the iPad and Calendar, Reminders, FaceTime and Preview on my MacBook desktop when in a meeting for example. I use multiple desktops on the MacBook and have been impressed by flawlessly running every app I need simultaneously with the iPad to hand if I want a touchscreen interface to sketch something, play a game or watch MKBHD on TH-cam whilst cooking. I also usually take my iPad as a computer when travelling and for any engineers out there I highly recommend checking out Shapr3D for CAD on the move.
For work, I use my iPad for drawing markups, a screen for flying my drone, video conferencing, email, lite photoshop work… Sometimes all together. At a recent site visit I was flying the drone while on a conference call with a client showing them what the drone sees. It eats up the battery but it works really well and impresses the clients.
When I first heard about the new stage manager feature I was really disappointed that it only comes to iPads with an M1 Chip since I have the 2020 A12z Bionic iPad Pro and don’t consider updating for another 2-3 years. I only use it for university to organize files, write handwritten notes and create MindMaps and stuff..
I almost always use the split screen view with a small slider window on the side.
I have to say though that the new stage manager at least without external screens is not too much of a difference to my workflow right now, so I will probably stay with my iPad and won’t buy a new one just to get the feature
Yeah your a good man, still using my iPad Pro 10’ first gen and works like a charm and don’t need more! Stick with it a lot longer, this beast can do anything, well except stage manage but not useful if you can’t run the 4 apps at once
Same exact case here but I‘m just super bummed that I won‘t be able to extend my display. As I understand that only works with Stage Manager right?
M1 is first class with all the features
A12 or newer is second class with most AI features
Anything older only get OS updates without any new features at this point.
They can add multitasking system from Mac OS. It will be best solution. Most intuitive and simply.
Do you remember the same situation with iOS 9 update? The turned on Split View mode only for iPad Air 2. I had the 1st gen Air but I wasn’t really disappointed because I understood the hardware limitations. And now I cannot understand this hype. How are you going to manage 20 windows (don’t forget that there are not only 4 you work with but there are another 16 in this ‘recent’ section and they are also in RAM) with just 6 gigs of RAM??? It’s technically impossible! My 2017 mac goes crazy when I open 3 windows in Stage Manager on macOS Ventura and here are 20 windows! They just won’t do a limited version.
I use the iPad just for media, keeping track of my day during work and as a second mini computer on the side at work, when I travel and need to take notes in a compact form, sometimes as a tool to prep for certain meetings that don't require a laptop, a place to brainstorm when it comes to things that are creative/don't need a computer. It's very niche and depends on the person, but it's basically fitting the "everything I need that's not a desktop" need for me.
I mostly use my iPad for media (TH-cam, movies, TV shows). I also use my iPad during school and that’s when splitscreening and multitasking really comes in handy. For example, I’ll have a Google Doc full of instructions my teacher gave us and then doing the assignment in Notability. It works pretty easily and it’s really helful.
Most definitely I’ll answer this question. As a student I use it everyday for; essay writing and research as my courses relies on it a lot, photography editing as I am apart of the photography society and of course to watch content like right now. Having the Apple Pencil and keyboard is a big help. I also love to use my iPad and laptop at the same time which is great. Multitasking is great but, can be better as you say in the video.
For artists i think itd be nice to have a separate display for drawing references etc. While keeping procreate fullscreen on the ipad itself
I loved the idea of the iPad from it's debut, and bought my first one (first gen air) right after it came out. At first, I used it with a non keyboard type of case, and tried every type of app I could find. I ended up composing an entire electronic album using Korg's Gadget app, and dreamed of one day using Logic on an iPad.
A couple of years later, I found out about Brydge keyboards and started using my iPad more like a laptop. It was an adjustment, but I mostly liked using it this way. I was able to do almost everything I needed to do on an iPad, and only used a Mac when I needed to use Logic. I was also hoping that one day real trackpad support would come.
I upgraded to a 2018 11" iPad Pro, and bought the Magic keyboard not long after. My mind was blown. I had also read rumors that Final Cut and Logic would finally come to the iPad in 2020 or 2021. iPad versions of those apps never materialized of course, but I still loved my new setup, and the ability to seamlessly switch from clamshell mode to no case mode (something that was quite the hassle with the Brydge keyboard).
2022 comes along and my aging Mac needed to be replaced, I decided to go with the M1 14" MBP, and use a standalone display when working in my studio. I was ready to go back to having a laptop (something I hadn't had since 2013, I had been on an iMac). I noticed that I was WAY more productive using the MBP, especially for the type of things I use computers for (music, editing, retro gaming). A few weeks later, my poor iPad fell out of the back of my vehicle and completely shattered. 3 months later and I have not replaced it. I have instead opted to upgrade to the iPhone Pro Max from my mini. I rarely used the Apple Pencil, and will just use my wife's iPad if I ever really need to draw something. I don't see myself buying a new iPad anytime soon.
The iPad was a really fun experiment for me, and it was fun to see all the new software features and all the new hardware over the years, but ultimately, I think I'm a Mac guy.
It is not the lack of logic. It’s because GarageBand sucks. Most beginners I know have problems to understand it. And myself, after using Logic for 30 years also think that GarageBand is crap because the user is forced to use it in a specific way. The first thing everybody asks while using it for the first time is why it is not possible to record more than 8 bars, not knowing that it have to be changed in the hidden and obscure preferences. Apple tries to make it as dumb as possible but in reality it got complicated.
I use my Ipad Pro 12.9 inch 2022 model as a digital sculpting/drawing tablet and I couldnt be happier with it from that perspective. I dont do alot of multi-tasking on the Ipad, since I use my PC for that, but for artists Ipad is in a league of its own with no serious competition.
I mostly use my iPad for consumption, not production, so typically I like the apps full screen. I’ve played around with stage manager and my initial impressions are… it seems super complicated and tedious to use. I ended up turning it off and just going back to using the normal app manager.
I have an iPad mini 6 and I use a single app in portrait mode, or split screen in landscape. The new mini is great in landscape, it's like having three iPhones stuck together. Great for chatting in multiple apps when combined with the floating keyboard. I rarely use slide over. Because the mini is small, it's easy to reach all the buttons and gestures for managing split screen. By far my favorite iPad form factor and I've tried every size.
I love the mini series, too. But...damn it. Apple just won't put the proMotion display on it
@@bigwhitedwarf or Face ID, though they are just nice to haves for me
Too bad iPadOS 16 is a massive disappointment on the mini 6. No stage manager, no widgets or new home screen options, scaling still sucks, no portrait multitasking (super disappointing)
@@xenimaging I think stage manager would be to compact on the mini but the lack of the new lock screen from iOS is a let down. And yet portrait mode multitasking is unusable (that goes for most iPads though)
I think the reason Apple won't really upgrade the mini is because Mini in size is too close to iphone pro max or foldable soon later. It would impact the sales of those and people would stop buying the bigger ones since the mini would be too powerful, handy and more affordable.
I really hope apple can make an 8 or 8.5 inch mini packed with iphone pro features. I would buy it in a heartbeat for a pro level price tag. Well, it's apple we're talking about Abt. they never give us the perfect thing
I use my iPad 7th Gen usually for media consumption, sometimes for note-taken and a lot of browsing. I use full-screen apps with slide-over almost every single day. While I like this new UI that Apple is launching for the M-series iPads, I am glad they are not changing the existing one (especially on the weaker iPads).
I use my iPad Mini for financial planning and giving demonstrations (portfolios, illustrations, texts). Great for broadcasting through Zoom and drawing in real time. Also, I use it to watch your videos:)
I got my first iPad late 2020 and use it for googling, video content, taking some notes, reading stuff... entertainment.
It does NOT feel like a work machine at all (though I'm sure it has performance), but I could never imagine it for work related stuff (docs, spreadsheets, presentation etc.) the apps are just basic and lack functions/shortcuts. work would take 2x 3x more time with an iPad
My dream having iPad like that one!
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You need a better dream.
I'd rather have a MacBook with a touchscreen anyday over an iPad.
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@@vervetech9395 unthinkable! ;)
Dang. I'm glad someone voices my thoughts so well! Honestly the biggest issue with an iPad for me is apple's lack of wanting to allow people to use it how they want. I.e. I want to transfer stuff off my iPad onto my NAS. But because it's Apple, it takes way, way longer and is more difficult than it needs to be
Walled garden
Apple markets iPad as a laptop replacement except they handle it like a glorified phone.
Clearly an iPad doesn’t fit your needs and maybe you should buy something else instead of trying to inherently change something that works really well for thousands of, millions of other people.
@@ma_junia there are millions of people who really really love the walled garden. They’re also probably thousands of people who couldn’t interface with it otherwise. I tried using windows and open ecosystems for a long time and got nowhere. I learned how to use a Mac and the entire ecosystem in like a month and a half. Please try the world to see the world as a bigger place than just neurotypical tech people.
@@KellyWu04 can you provide proof that they market Ipad as a laptip replacement?
My iPad use is limited to using it for Teams, research, and some network apps. As a network engineer I find having a USB C RJ45 adaptor works a treat for me. Yeah multitasking isn't the greatest when you have to workflows from Mac/PC but it works and I'm happy with it.
I’ve used iPad Pro as my only personal computer since 2018. I realized I didn’t need a full blown OS to do 99% of the things I do at home, so I prioritized screen quality for media consumption and portability. The only times I ever have multiple windows open are when taking notes or juggling password manager or authentication apps, but I like having the option.
Right now, I mostly use my 2018 9.7" iPad exclusively in split screen view. In a "1/3" - "2/3" view, it's my go-to for flash card practice. Whenever I have to switch to some different view though, say the web browser, it does feel like it's interrupting the experience a little bit since it switches focus. It's not complete in a sense that a desktop experience is, but I guess it's adequate, especially for the then-pricepoint of around €300. If they were to make it perfect, who'd even buy the "full desktop experience" anymore?
My iPad is almost solely a media device for me. I have it instead of a TV, really. The display is excellent, it travels easily, which I do often, and has plenty of storage for downloading all the whatnot I want. I like interacting with things like the NYT, Netflix, TH-cam, etc in the app more than on desktop, and I can keep my work and play lives really separate with the help of this thing. The other big use case is as a PDF and worksheet machine. It’s great as a student to have a dedicated notepad and graphic tablet. I used to use my Wacom Intuos BT with my XPS 13 for a lot of the same tasks that my iPad just does better with an Apple Pencil. The file management is a little worse, but the app interfaces are so good, I can’t really turn it down compared to some janky PC software with a separate tablet that runs out of battery, doesn’t export as smoothly, etc. So inevitably, I almost never have to multitask aside from having 2 windows open for about 2 mins to copy something over. I respect the power users, but for so much else of what I need, it’s easier to have a normal laptop form factor, running normal software, with normal connectivity. I just can’t make this replace my laptop, and don’t really need it to. It works best for me as a supplementary handy widget next to a more technical and standard machine.
Thanks for explaining the incoming stage manager and other iPad features. It would also be nice to hear from google in the future of why they don’t have any app for the stocks. iPad should have a calculator app totally agree.
I edit photos on my ipad and I’ve hardly ever used the split screen feature but I frequently alt-tab with the magic keyboard which is very handy
My honest two cents: I bought a 2018 iPad Pro about 3 years ago for a good price, have been using it daily since, and tbh it's been my #1 best purchase I've ever made dollar for dollar for how much use I get from it, I've never gotten more value or longevity out of any other tech product, so kudos there. I use it as my sole Apple device as my desktop is a PC, I have no traditional laptop, and I've used Android phones since 2009 so I can't comment on any features that involve Apple's ecosystem. I am a med student using it as my sole laptop replacement and it has been performing admirably in that role with no slow downs over the 3 years, if anything recent updates have it feeling more fast and fluid than ever, it's really quite uncanny and unlike anything I've ever experienced with either Android phones or tablets. I love taking notes on it with the Magic Keyboard+Apple Pencil combo, the fact the it floats in the case combined with its diminutive size(11 in) means it fits rather nicely on those small, foldy lecture hall desks, and due to my specific subject matter, being able to draw diagrams and pictures of organs or physiological processes happening in the body can help to visualize these concepts more clearly and effectively, not to mention the myriad high-quality apps that 3d model the body. Last thing I would mention is that though I agree with the desire for more desktop-class features like a more natural version of multi-tasking, I've noticed that I don't actually do that many desktop-y things on my iPad often enough that I really found those features to be lacking(if that even makes any sense lol), and for anything that requires me to sit down for more than like 15-20 min I'm probably just going to use my desktop anyways so it really never ended up mattering. All things considered, ymmv but it's enough of a "PC" for enough of the time to be a worthy laptop replacement for me, it just has the added bonus of having access to the App Store so I get access to all those juicy apps and games :)
Maybe I’m technically inept but I find Apple’s split screen implementation very awkward and cumbersome as compared with a touchscreen PC. I would rather see Apple give us a normal mouse pointer with right-clicking rather than a ton of gestures that have to be memorized and work differently than on a Mac or PC.
Great review. I use my iPad Pro 90% of the time and iPhone 13Pro 10%. iPad on the Magic keyboard 90% (landscape), and use mainly for watching youtube, email, web browsing, taking notes and creating stuff. It’s my one-stop-shop. Frustrated there’s not yet a decent calculator - it’s basic, but something we need. Occasionally I use split screen for copying/pasting between Apps - I’m not looking forward to more complications! Would rather some better Apps would be available, and more intuitive links to HomeKit devices - e.g. to auto stock-take and re-order for my fridge / pantry, see electricity usage per device / household to improve energy usage optimisation etc.
Sits on my desk for months at a time with no charge. I think this video brought be some clarity, that the iPad has never been for me. I’ve been thru so many of them, and they all never get used. They sound so amazing, and new features reel me in, but between my iPhone, and access to a Mac, that’s all I need. 95 per cent of my needs are dealt with on my iPhone, and I use my Mac when I need or want to.
Great video! Use my iPad in 2 ways... as a second monitor for my Mac mini for work and as a media consumption device.
I use often the split screen functionality with the 3 dots but would probably use it more as a "computer" if the multitasking was easier.
I've had an iPad since the first one. I wouldn't say it's an essential part of my workflow, but I would say that 95% of what I do with it is media consumption or extending my Mac's display to it.
I rarely use multitasking on the iPad. It's always felt clunky and confusing. But I was excited to try out Stage Manager, so I downloaded the beta on my 11" Pro. And... I stopped using it almost immediately. I understand having a minimum size for an app, but... I do not understand why you can't put it in whatever size you want. Why do you have to turn it on or off, and, when on, do you get unexpected behavior when just... opening a damn app? And my biggest gripe was one you outlined - why does switching to an app in another group not... make it show up in your current group?
Apple did multitasking really, really well with single apps on the iPhone. But I really feel Apple is trying to shoehorn features into a platform that was never designed for simultaneous multitasking. You have a desktop that is really an app launcher. You have a window manager (Stage Manager) that has a limit to the number of windows that can be open. It's like running Windows 3.1 and opening too many apps will lock your computer up - except you know the M1 certainly has the ability to do all of this in spades. But even Windows 3.1 had a damn desktop and a separate app manager.
I get it. Apple wants to do things in a new and innovative way. But they're trying to shove features into a platform that does not work in this way. It's unintuitive and unnecessarily complicated.
I like the open discussion about their development philosophy!
It's worth noting that the iPad -is a different device- than a Mac. It may not be 'they just want it to be different' (though Apple has certainly been known to pursue that) as much as 'it needs to as functional to us with only touch controls'
It kind of does need to be different than a Mac version of an application.
I use my iPad Pro 11" (2nd gen from 2018, so an old one) mainly for drawing and reading, and generally one app at a time, save for when I use slide-over to pull a chat app like Discord or Messenger on screen. I did try Stage Manager for a total of 1 hour and then I turned it back off. It just wasn't doing it for me with all the additional sizing operations and overhead on a screen of that size, and the way I use it to focus on my specific use-cases.
I switched from my older ipad pro 10.5 to the latest ipad mini, watching here, I don't feel I am missing out by switching to the mini instead of a newer pro. the magnetic snap on pencil and way more mobile footprint has made it a much more productive device for me, and I don't try to force it to be a laptop when I... already own one.
I think a very small minority of "power" users could use an iPad full-time. I think for some of those users (in particular developers), Chrome OS may be a better alternative. For most ipad users, they don't need it to show 4 apps and are content with it as a secondary device.
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Did exactly the same thing with the 11” iPad Pro
I’m a power user whatever that means. I code, but also 3D diagram and draw. However the coding I do on my Mac Studio and 32” display. The diagramming, drawing etc I do on my iPad. I use it for things that work really well with touch/pen. I would never use the iPad as my main comp. No desire to at this point.
I personally like to have certain tools dedicated to certain tasks. It is more…clean? Less stressful? I also have a Macbook Pro, but gave it to one of my kids after getting the Studio/iPad combo.
I have a 2018 iPad Pro which I use primarily for drawing. I could update to an M1 model and potentially use an external monitor to maybe use my iPad sort of like a Cintiq (Which might already be possible with sidecar, although I’ve never actually tried). Still, I find that more than anything, iPad is a tool I use for fun and recreation as opposed to a tool for actual work.
Your reaction to his response at 2:28 is classic 😂
Speaking of splitscreen. I'm running Android 9 on a phone, and it has splitscreen apps for 3 positions. I'd love do have three apps open at once, which should be possible. Since there should be space for three of the smallest sized apps.
Similarly, iPad has the option to have the tall skinny apps in splitscreen. Would be nice to have many tall skinny apps that you could quickly open and close.
This theory is not a theory. It is a demonstrable fact and always has been. The iPad is supposed to be a different experience. Right off the bat it is supposed to be a touch based user interface, not a mouse and keyboard user interface like the Mac. There is nothing so frustrating as watching TH-cam reviewers banging it on a table and chanting. ‘It’s not a Mac. It’s not a Mac.” It’s like watching the apes with their bones at the beginning of 2001.
My God people, it is an entirely different style of computing, one that is far more focused and immersive and tactile than the one we’ve become accustomed to for the last 40 years. Yet people keep bizarrely, trying to get Apple to turn it into a touch Mac. Here’shere’s a thing. the macOS is not built for touch manipulation. If you want a Mac then buy a Mac they’re about the same price at this point. Trying to turn the iPad into a Mac is just silly.
Personally, I find the iPad is the ideal tool for creating and flushing out my ideas. It is when I am ready to actually implement those ideas that I turn back to my MacBook Pro. This is only because I enjoy using the iPad in this way, because the bottom line is the Mac can do anything the iPad can do, but not vice versa.
The fact that the original Macintosh can run multiple windows with no issue but the iPad needs to be software locked to the M1 chip… I’m so mad that I got the 2020 model instead of a laptop at the time. Biggest financial regret.
Immediately MacBooks get a touchscreen it's gameover for iPads. For now, Apple wants you to carry 3 devices instead of 2 (phone and convertible laptop)
@@RealJoseph123 I'm in exactly the same situation as you, I wish I'd gotten a MacBook Air at the time. Only bought the 2020 iPad Pro because of the Smart Keyboard and thinking it can be my only personal "computer"
@@MihaiCostiug I was so near to the M1 MacBook Air, I literally almost cried when my return window closed due to the fact that I got it weeks before the M1 MacBook Air sadly.
Most of the time I’m a 1 at a time ipad user. But occasionally, like when I’m DMing a D&D session, I’ll have side by side OneNote and safari (with dndbeyond up). I’m really excited for this, it’ll be nice to have more multitasking options. And I may have to invest in a portable monitor or something.
What I’d like to see with this is a sort of reverse Sidecar, where you can use a Mac’s display as the secondary display, as well as use the built in keyboard+trackpad(on MacBooks) or any external keyboards+mice you may have hooked up to the Mac. I don’t think Apple would do this because Apple, but I also think it would be cool to allow you to access the files of any external storage devices you have hooked up to the Mac that’s being connected to, as well as the files of the Mac itself, and copy them to use on the iPad.
I have a 2018 11 inch ipad pro. 4 years in, it still runs great. It lives in a apply keyboard cover, I use it 95% for watching video, 5% when I don't want to type on my phone but don't want to pull out a laptop. I'm not a power user, I just love the excellent display and great speakers.
This review showed up in the same time with my complains about Ipad. I am an electronics engineer and it's difficult for me to find compatible platforms. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. It's true, I have a 2017 basic iPad but still. In 5 years I couldn't find engineering apps or engineering uses for the iPad. I realized that they simply don't want to make the iPad a possible substitution for a Mac. I know that the developers of different platforms should make their platforms iPad compatible and they don't have any reason but...at least a project viewer. I am not crazy to draw circuits on a tablet. But it would be nice you know to...at least see the project, upload some small software's on a microcontroller, get some serial data...not too much. It is doable but because engineers are not a target for computer and software companies, we don't get this kind of stuff. This kind of activity is still content creation. Maybe I would have bought a 2000euro tablet if it was engineering compatible. Also the tools...I might buy an app but how do I know is good? The marketing for useful tools is not that bad...Until then... I will stick to my 2017 iPad for entertainment and to my 2015 MBP for work...
at the same time, for computer engineers, they can't make the tools that would enable the scenarios you mention because apple's devices are so wrapped up in proprietary, anti-innovation, anti-competitive, anti-repair nonsense, unless apple takes direct interest, there isn't even the option for others to create those tools or software.
I’m a do outer engineer but have some electronics engineering courses, many cad software platforms are accessible on the iPad
I actually use the different multitasking options quite regularly, the buttons were more awkward for me than the gestures though. Honestly just sticking the options in something like Control Center would be my dream scenario.
My iPad is what I use for most of my computing but being to 2020 Pro model I’m still going to have those awful bars and it bothers me too much; for desktop sessions I have an old MacBook Pro in clamshell and just use iCloud to share files between the two.
I use my iPad Pro 11 for work. I am a Script Supervisor in the film industry using a couple app’s specific for what I do.. I really do wish that Final Draft for the iPad had the same exact features as its counterpart on the laptop. As you mentioned Apple wants to keep it separate which really sucks. Have the 3rd party app developers make Pro versions of their apps. Maybe someday but don’t see it happening anytime real soon.
Thank you again for your wonderful informative videos.
I use my iPad for my on-line College course. I have been looking forward to stage manager for that reason. It has made my workflow faster when writing papers and referencing notes from saved journals. If I’m reading course material or using the Kindle app I stick to one screen. My iPad Pro 12.9 has replaced my laptop. I don’t see myself wanting a laptop in the future. The Apple mouse is buggy when scrolling documents in Stage Manager. It scrolls based on hovering over a window instead of scroll the app that is open on top. It would be nice to see stage manager transition to the Home Screen and back again. Love your TH-cam channel this is the first time I viewed it.
I was quite excited when i saw stage manager and new features in the files app. I even thought of buying logitech keyboard combo (cheaper and better alternative to magic keyboard). However, watching many videos on this, I realized this isn't going to satisfy my 'leave your laptop at home for iPad while traveling' need. This is mainly due to couple of reasons - the first being the largely different and limited capability of the files app. And second stage manager, like you said it doesn't really feel like a usual mac multitasking interface.
So in hindsight, I will continue using my iPad for light work, drawing, media consumption in bed and attending meetings (the camera in 11 pro is way better than any laptop).