I think there’s a lot of people who mean “iPadOS should be more like MacOS rather than iOS” when they say “iPad needs MacOS”. Apple has clearly been very slow to empower iPadOS.
No, lots of people literally want MacOS on iPadOS, hence… this video. I agree iPadOS should, in certain ways, be more like MacOS. But iPadOS is ultimately optimized for the touch experience, while MacOS isn’t.
i think apple needs to move in more mac os style features in ipad os with still a tone of tablet features it’s a computer they say but can’t do thing i would on my mac book
@@wta1518 and windows's touch interface is terrible. see, what youre referring to is a touchscreen mac. but thats not what the ipad is. the ipad isnt macos tablet mode, and its not what its designed to be
I want to say that I love that this channel is not just spec comparing but actually testing the devices in ways that people who already know the specs want to hear and see and that the ultimate statement of the videos is not only what you already think to yourself when reading the titles.
Which is why Apple will never allow MacOS on the iPad. MacOS allows traditional software acquisition channels where Apple just provides the hardware and OS, possibly a licensed feature or API, , where IOS / iPadOS app store means Apple gets to steal a 30% cut of all app vendor revenue. Ya'll are looking at this backwards. What's really going to happen is that Apple will eventually dump MacOS on the desktop / laptops and branch a desktop iPadOS which will then allow Apple to theive 30% of that software revenue as well. Mark my words, Apple is determined to replicate their IOS app store model across every product line they have, finish walling off those gardens and ensure all software companies pay for the privilege of selling software, subscriptions or services to all Apple product users.
For years I would like to have the ability to do software development on the iPad as easily as I do on my Mac. There was a move towards it with Swift Playground having some of the capabilities of Xcode, but it just stalled and never matured to anything beyond playfulness. I still lack comprehensive editors and IDEs like Visual Studio Code and the JetBrains suite. I also think that some software development workflows lean a lot on switching between apps and having them side-by-side, which means that iPadOS needs to improve its multi-tasking capabilities to allow to do this more conveniently. I also use a lot of community tools which I think would mean that the barrier to create an app will need to be lowered for an iPad work-env to be as lively as a desktop one. I can't work without brew. This can either be sandboxed or managed system-wide somehow, but this needs to be solved. And I'm all for what you're saying with not having macOS on the iPad. It's just that iPadOS needs to improve to accommodate these very real requirements, or introduce software development workflow alternatives that solve the same basic needs. For instance the graphical flow editor of Unreal Engine can be amazing to work with on the iPad.
I don’t think they can add anything like coding as an app with iPads. The way IPadOS works, is that every single app is sandboxed, so something as complex as that might be different or difficult.
@@Thewaterspirit57 you’re right, but there are still ways to facilitate this. They can sandbox the built app in a simulator and give the IDE a debug interface into it. It will not be perfect to begin with, but it’ll be a start they can iterate over.
I'm not sure cause I don't have ipad, but vscode has a remote feature which you can connect into through a browser, it may work as a fully featured IDE
@@Haisui there are a lot of good enough IDEs and editors. The main problem I’m raising here is that most software development flows are multi-tasked by design, and these are not flows that are easily replicated on an iPad even though there exists a very good app for most specific tasks in that flow.
It should be able to *switch* to a MacOS-like interface, especially when docked with an external mouse and keyboard. This is easier to do than ever with USB-C hubs.
I just want to able to choose what I want on my device not other people saying: you don’t need this. I love the iPad but when I have a 300$ keyboard it better gets MacOs as an option. And after 2 years the iPad Pro still isnt a "pro" device just an iPad on steroids.
My ipad is simply just a glorified PDF viewer/editor honestly. I use it for sheet music so, reading scores, writing music, editing music, the list goes on. All the extra trinkets that have been introduced I hardly use and really are just a drain on my battery life as it turns out. The most 'techy' my iPad use has gotten is controlling a presentation and reading my notes in separate apps with the splitscreen ability
I use it for everything. -Maybe 8 hours a day. Learning languages, taking notes for lectures, watching lectures, watching videos, managing my digital life, programm on it, play on it, shop on it. Still I am disappointed, that I cannot write iOS applications on it, because XCode is only available for MacOS. I just hate my MacBook.
I think the Steam Deck is a good concept for what the iPad could be: a streamlined interface with a full desktop os system that you don't have to deal with if you don't want to
@@yeetsupYT They're completely different devices. My point is that the steam Deck is primarily a gaming device, with an optimized os and ui meant for the use case it's for. You can use a full on desktop ui/os if you want, but it's not optimal if you don't have a keyboard and mouse, but it's there if you want/need the extra functionality. IPad doesn't need to just have iPad os anymore, it basically has the same hardware as the MacBooks. I know it's not as simple as slapping the iPad ui on Mac os, but if Valve had the resources to do so, so can Apple
The problem with the iPad is that iPadOS is annoying to do many basic tasks. Apple intends that annoyance unfortunately. They call it a simpler experience for the everyday user. The problem is the iPad Pro is intended for "Pros" (whether that's Professional or prosumer... that's a different question).
Well pro is often just a marketing term meaning it’s the device that has the best features (in the case of the iPad it’s quad speakers, 120hz pro motion, mini LED on the bigger size) It just means the best device in its range
I think this is where the major frustration is i.e. Apple claims in all their ipad pro presentations that its the IPAD FOR THE PROFESSIONALS, yet they deliver a product which is just a PLUS size of normal ipad. And Having a mini led display doesn't help any professional outside colour correction profession, apple desperately needs to either correct their marketing or their product.
Definitely consider the iPad Pro for the "prosumer" (in most cases). Everyone I know that has an iPad Pro uses it for exactly the same things you can do on the cheapest, base model iPad... just the Pro feels "nicer" to use.
I'd love to see more ipad (even iphone) videos focused on creativity use-cases; photo editing, 3d modelling, audio production. and see where the strengths and limitations of the hardware and software are. This series is so great, good going Horst!
@@steviegbcool true, but not as portable. perhaps someone needs a tablet to maybe draw or photo edit, along with a pc for video calls, or audio production, etc. one device that's portable for all.
From a software developer perspective, the iPad Pro isn't a "pro" device without XCode and Homebrew and the like. And probably root access. It's just a locked down toy that Apple doesn't actually let you use for real purposes. For professional photography or audio or the like it could be fine with the right apps; though I'm not personally familiar with the state of that.
Yeah but then again its probably also not apples intended market. Most of the marketing is geared towards creative professionals like video/audio editors and the like.
@@jackedup447 Sure. Though it seems a bit strange to me that this intended market doesn't include developing apps for the iPad itself, when they offer an M2 processor in a 13 inch tablet with a keyboard dock that surely could be perfectly suitable for that if they let you do it. And then for the most part I can use Windows, macOS, or Linux for any professional or non-professional purpose. So the iPad is artificially limited and only suitable for certain things, it doesn't really make sense to talk about it as a replacement or alternative to a real computer in any general sense. Even if it's a useful tool for certain things. But it also *could* be suitable for all of this. If the keyboard dock works well enough the 13 inch iPad pro could be a totally fine Laptop replacement with an unrestricted OS. Presumably the M2 chip should be able to drive dual external monitors (not sure if the iPad allows this currently) so it could be docked and work as a desktop. And performance should be good enough for most things. But Apple doesn't let you do that. Probably to ensure they can keep making revenue from the app store and in-app purchases more than any philosophical or design concern. So the iPad doesn't seem particularly useful to me personal, even though it *could* be if Apple *let* it be.
True. A handy SSH device in a pinch, sure. Maybe even quick edits in a browser based editor. But a full blown development environment, probably not there yet.
@@ids1024 y e p. I absolutely agree. With how great the SDK is on macs im suprised that they decided to not at least include a XCode app for iOS aswell, but they seem to want to segment developers for macos/Ios to specifically MacOS based devices instead.
Apple cannot be selling all these accessories that make the iPad a laptop replacement without giving it a damn file system with organized storage structure.
I don't own a Samsung tablet, but I know they have a feature called Samsung Dex. When you use it your tablet's os turns into a windows like mode. I think it would be great if the iPad had such a feature where it could switch between ios and some form of mac os. Best of both worlds with the only caveat being the iPad may need more storage to accommodate the new os.
Yep. That's what people want, to be able to use an external monitor off the iPhone and run a desktop OS UI. It doesn't have to be macOS but that would be ideal as there is so much already available for macOS. Or for a tablet, to be able to do that or run the UI on the tablet screen and connecting a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Unfortunately, we all know the main reason they haven't done this is likely because they want to pressure people to have to buy more of their hardware. Their laptop and desktop sales would likely decline if people could run a desktop OS off their phones and tablets. It just really sucks that they may avoid doing this for as long as possible.
DeX is great for when you want to get some work done or need multiple windows open. And while you can have pop-up windows open and enable a feature in the settings to allow for a window function in regular tablet mode and the taskbar is an option now, there's just something about standard DeX mode
As many others have said, the option to launch a MacOS mode would be nice. I would certainly be much more interested in taking a look at an iPad if they did this. Especially when my 12 inch retina macbook finally kicks the bucket.
We need a DeX counterpart from the Apple side, it's so good on all of my Galaxies that I've had. I've been thinking about this for a long time since I also owned an iPad since the 2nd gen
Yes sadly this channel tried reviewing dex without an external monitor, a keyboard or a mouse. Just played around with it natively on a tablet and was "Meh, I like iPad better." It was so frustrating
The problem isn't iPadOS or even the inability to sideload apps. It is the lack of appropriate apps (Final Cut Pro, etc.) Apple is better off bettering iPadOS rather than turning it into macOS. As I said, unmistakably iPad. iPads should not try to be similar to Macs. They should be the best version of themselves. Once again, authenticity.
Man I'm really glad you spoke about the issue MS Word. Its BS. The inconsistency across apps is what bothers me more. I've switched to a base M2 MBA and it's serving me well.
The issue here is if these apps are using the system text rendering or using thier own. MS are using thier own and that would be find if they put any effort into making it work on iPadOS but they don't, just the DPI along creates issues for it.
The HUGE shining star of the Mac IS it's full featured Office products. Having been a previous MS Office user since it's FIRST version and fed up with it's bugs, using Pages and Numbers was an instant pure joy for me. Numbers and Pages are HUGE advantages that Apple has over any other product, and it's included in the MacBook! But I don't like the fact that it's NOT the same full featured product under IOS. Apple missed the boat there, which is why IOS needs to be dumped.
I've been using the iPad Pro for note taking for the past 1.5 years and I love it, but as soon as I tried do do something like video edit or make a CAD model (things apple claim the iPad is perfectly capable of) the limitations become painfully apparent. What sucks is that while the iPad is great at what apple intends you to use it for, but unlike a computer there is no ability for the user to create their own use cases. I bought an iPad because apple told me it was good for note taking, but as soon as you try to do something apple didn't think you would want to do, the whole experience breaks down.
This, but unironically. I use MacOS every day and have for the past 6 years (minus a few days here and there), and I can assure you, it's built on a pile of spaghetti code that they're never going to fix and won't improve upon. It's beyond frustrating, and just starting over (ie, IpadOS) would be better. I've seen the Linux DE's beat out macOS in these 6 years. There's no reason Apple couldn't.
I think they could merge both. The touch integration into MacOS, and the full fledged computer systems into iPadOS, so they are one and the same, and toggles for interfaces and stuff that could also be automatic when you remove it from the keyboard.
While it’s cool that this is more geared towards content creation, not every apple user is a content creator. I see nothing wrong if they keep iPad OS as a tablet mode kinda like how windows 8 was supposed to be but executed apple style, and then have a Mac OS mode if you want to use a more complete OS and connect a keyboard and trackpad.
Exactly, many professionals don't work with video, and for all of those the iPad is still just an iPad that we have to ditch aside when it's time too work
This applies to every tech review on youtube these days. I don't care about benchmarks i'll never use. I want real world battery tests? camera tests? can it game? are the speakers good or shit? etc. I don't care about the geekbench score or what it does in blender as i'd imagine 95% of people buying tech aren't using these products to make "content".
This!!! When I say iPad needs macOS, I mean the ability to run full IDEs and a Terminal to help me develop software anywhere on-the-go!!! No reason why it cannot given M2 and the Magic Keyboard...yet the iPad is useless as a standalone development device!!!
The iPad Pro needs to ship with three storage drives. A drive dedicated to iPadOS (32GB should be sufficient), a drive dedicated to macOS (32GB might be fine but let's give it 64GB to be safe), and a shared data drive (this would be the capacity you choose when buying the device, the other two cannot be accessed by the end user). Now if you want to use the iPad as an iPad you do your normal stuff. If you need Mac functionality you restart into macOS and get full Mac capability. If you want to return to the iPad interface you restart into that mode. The dedicated storage drives for iPadOS and macOS would not be user accessable without terminal commands to unlock access, they would only be there for the system so there is always free space to be able to download and install an update to the OS and to prevent the device from being unable to boot up because of a completely full storage drive, something that happens more frequently with iPhones but I wouldn't be surprised if iPads and Macs have the same issue from time to time.
The iPad is still where I want to work. I’m tired of trying to bend it to my will to get it to work. Felt like I spent so much money on a glorified iPhone now with its regressions that iPadOS took in 2021. The iPadOS 15 update was a bunch of wasted space that was gone in iPadOS 14. Hot take those widgets on the Home Screen took the much superior Today View on the iPad. I prefer the big clock and the widgets on the side. And there is padding on the sides drives me nuts - it ruined my Home Screen.
@@NcLax5 you know you can move widgets/apps in vertical and horizontal mode independently of each other? Like you can have widget/app in the left right corner when in horizontal mode and in right bottom corner when in vertical mode if you want to
@@Temac000 Yeah I knew this, it was just horribly awkward to figure out the first time when the update came out! It actually even still messes itself up after updates every now and then too.
I don't see why Apple doesn't implement something similar to the SteamDeck. You can have it in 'gaming' mode and 'desktop' mode by pushing a button in the power menu. iPad could easily toggle between what it is now, and a MacOS environment couldn't it? Also, I've recently been using my 11" 2018 iPad Pro in Sidecar and have even set it up as my primary monitor a few times. The screen resolution is certainly sharp enough to be used as an 11" macbook display. The only difficulty was using programs like Adobe Illustrator where I have a large amount of toolbars open on the right hand side of the screen. Otherwise, it was more than sufficient and obviously a fair trade-off for portability.
I agree that MacOS shouldn’t be on iPad but the iPadOS should have capabilities that a “professional” expects to have. Like he brought up file management which has been kinda improved and I like that you have access to your different cloud storage solutions. I would also like to see iPadOS treat video out differently. 90% of the time, it mirrors the screen the same way you mirror a screen on airplay. It’s full of compression, there’s some slight delay which makes it kinda nauseating if you want to hook it up to a big screen to work on a Google doc which is already painful enough on the iPad, or play some games. I don’t need a full desktop mode but maybe don’t leave it to app developers to support external display to make use of the video out capability of the very expensive tablet I just bought
Honestly, if you're going to reprogram IOS to operate like a MAC, why not use the same software and just modify the UI. Lack of the superior Finder, which is tightly integrated in the MacOS, IS what's missing from IOS.
As you said, it's the small things like mouse support and icons that mean we run into issues. What macs also have is a life beyond software support- and with the addition of drive support and vlc player, word, excel, etc the ipad is a lot closer to having that as well. but until we're fully there I fear many functioning usable devices will end up as E-waste.
The iPad needs a DeX mode like the Galaxy Tabs have. A desktop style shell with resizeable, windowable apps and a taskbar/dock. Make it only activate when it's docked or used as a laptop, just like DeX. That'd turn it into a true PC replacement.
that would be amazing to use, especially when you could just plug your ipad in, and work on your projects with a large monitor and a keyboard and mouse, then unplug your ipad when you need to go somewhere and even still work on your projects, with the added bonus of being able to use your apple pencil
@@andreaszweili8593I have both an iPad Pro m1 and a Samsung tab, and trust me, Dex blows stage manager out of the water when it comes to actually being a desktop replacement
Yeah I imagine that would work better. Especially because Android is more flexible in general. However it’s not like the iPad is unusable. I just worked a whole day on the iPad it was quite doable. Granted most of it was remote via SSH but was doable.
I think a lot of the arguments in favor of putting MacOS on iPad are actually more about putting touchscreens on Macs (ie “wouldn’t it be good if you could use a Mac workflow and occasionally reach out and tweak stuff in the UI using a finger or Pencil?”). I think iPad would mostly benefit from having apps be less locked-down and tied to the one App Store.
But it should. At least on the M1 SoC and newer iPads. Basically, M1 and newer iPads are the spiritual successor of the discontinued 12" Macbook in most aspects (other than the lack of keyboard and trackpad, and MacOS). The only reason Apple will not do this is because it'll cannibalize Macbook sales.
Thing is that I'm not buying a MacBook, but the iPad is a compelling form factor enough to consider it. So it just cannibalizes _all_ sales (at least for me).
Apple realy does not care about cannibalizing thier own product sales, otherwise they would have never let you listen to music on the iPhone. They understand better than most companies that it is much better to self cannibalize than to sit back and leave a good idea> iPads running macOS would not impact Mac sales at all, after all once you add a keyboard case with trackpad to an iPad and add the additional battery to make it be able to run macOS and have the same batter life the iPad setup would in fact cost users more and make apple a lot more margin as the accessories are way higher margin than the hardware.
I had a 10th gen iPad th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUGaHtKW8MwCql2fPyIm9-ftTqSMzKFFA . Felt it getting pretty slow at times even after doing a reset. So I am using that as a tablet for my 5 year old son and got this 9th gen version. MUCH faster, a little slimmer, smaller bezels, all around a leap forward. Plus, for the price that’s about $130-$150 cheaper than a current new model this is a nice deal. I look forward to the M-series CPUs coming into iPads which will really help future proof these tablets better but these latest CPUs are pretty strong and should do better to last several years with no compromises.
I've used an iPad Pro for my work as a classical singer and stage actor for years, and I switched from Windows to MacOS a bit over one year ago because of the fantastic used prices the Mac Mini M1 was going for (Lockdowns weren't kind to stage artists' wallets), but I miss the touchscreen. On Windows I used the touchscreen all the time whether I was making demos or promotional material (videos, photos, flyers, etc.), creating music in my spare time or using Notion. Storage and assets organisation is also horrific, because file explorer on Windows while not great is decades ahead of MacOS, and don't even get me started on Apple's complete lack of developer support! iPadOS while theoretically more limited has almost never been a frustrating experience to me. It's logical and friendly and highly conducive to quick turnarounds and creative flow. If anything, I want a juiced-up iPadOS on the Mac. Except for the 100% unintuitive and clearly inferior to everything Settings app (go Android!), so of course that's what they decided to port to MacOS
Nah. We should be able to switch interfaces but I think macOS on it would just defeat the entire purpose of it. If you want to us macOS then you might as well get a MacBook. It’s literally a docked iPad.
Exactly. MacOS is much closer to a full experience than iPadOS is. Adding pencil and touch support to MacOS is so much less work than fixing all the artificial barriers Apple put in place in iPadOS. Ideally, for a period, Apple should give people *gasp*, a choice!
They should make iPadOS a touch optimised version of MacOS, with the same suite of desktop programs available on a Mac. Apple could make a serious Microsoft surface tablet competitor with the iPad Pro, considering the main benefit of that compared to iPads/Galaxy Tabs is that it runs a full desktop operating system
And now with a base model ipad pro 12.9" (it's not 13", surprise), a pencil, and a magic keyboard, the iPad costs more than a base model Macbook Pro 14". And can do.. half as much? Maybe? Insane.
Agree, the iPad doesn’t need a full version of Mac OS. I think we need a ‘desktop mode’ which is still designed to be used by fingers and pencils. It enable always on dock, multitasking window similar to the ones of stage manager but should not auto-align to a grid. Minimise feature similar to the Mac with swiping the window to the dock being the gesture. The three dot of Mac windows is still there and finally a menu bar which is larger in size but can be hidden unlike Mac.
No that’s basically the same idea. It needs a full MacOS but add a tablet mode to keep the UI feeling when it’s portable. iPadOS and MacOS need to combine not be one or the other.
I don't want Mac OS on iPad for the exact same reason why I ditched my Surface for an iPad Pro. Operating Systems that are designed primarily for mouse and keyboard use are fundamentally incompatible with touch controls. I loved my Surface. It did everything I wanted it to do. But as a tablet, for watching videos, playing games, checking your email, the touch interface really sucks on Windows. It was much more complicated than it needed to be. And worse, as a laptop, it still was underperforming due to the small screen and wonky keyboard implementation. The iPad is no different. Trying to use it as a laptop always results in frustration because it is fundamentally a device designed to be easy and quick. And that is why I bought one. I can do anything I need to do in a computing system, in a manner that is quick and easy. But when I need to do work like CAD and music production, I would never want to even try to do it in an iPad. In my opinion, what would be a very cool implementation is if the iPad could function as a Mac Mini. Using iPad OS for everyday tablet computing, and then getting to your office and plugging it into a thunderbolt hub, rebooting the iPad into Mac OS and getting to work.
The iPad is basically my laptop when I’m not home. There are times I want it to be more laptop like and time when I want it to be a tablet. It succeeds at being a tablet but when I need it to be a laptop it sucks. Examples being file sharing, the webcam shutting off if I move to another application, the awkwardness of trying to upload or download content to and from the device. Thing is these annoying quirks aren’t noticeable on the surface, you only notice these limitations when you’ve used it for a while. Those limitations get annoying.
Now imagine, you had 25GB more storage (that's about 1$ in cost), and could dual-boot your device 😄. I with Apple would be more open to such things, and just allow them.
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I think those are issues that can be solved _within_ iPadOS.
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@@AntonioNoack 25GB sounds like a misery in an iPad, and I can't see the benefit of dual booting on any device that is not a computer.
In fairness to the Davinci app, the speed editor is a great addition if you want that speed back! If you want to keep editing but feel like you slow down, I can recommend it. And it comes with a studio Resolve and Fusion key too for your Mac/PC/Linux!
You can see hints that they're heading in the direction of enabling the "Pro" features we crave for it when it's docked on a keyboard with a trackpad/mouse. Admittedly it's gotten a LOT better but still feels like there's too much hand holding for what amounts to a Pro device that can cost as much as a new Macbook Pro when kitted out. When they initially said Stage Manager and External Display support would be limited to the M series chips it made me slightly optimistic that they might start developing a "Pro" version of iPadOS strictly limited for the Pro models. I think Samsung's Dex would be a fantastic model to follow if this is where they choose to go for it in the future. Restricting a more mature desktop experience to docked would be a very fair compromise.
Great video! I really really love the kind of content that comes of Mac Address! Horst always delivers this kind of "not the expected" takes on Apple products. It's refreshing! Thanks!!!
As a daily driver of DaVinci Resolve since 2016 (on Windows 10)... I was SUPER excited to use the mobile app on my M1 iPad Pro! I quickly found it to be quite lackluster for what I need to do, so I regrettably uninstalled it from my iPad since it would just slowdown my workflow. I know people use LumaFusion on iPad... but I also found it too troublesome. MacOS and Windows will always be superior for professional video editing workflows in my experience. While iPad does not need MacOS... it certainly needs something akin to Rosetta to run MacOS apps on iPad.
Full discloser, I don't own either a mac or an iPad, but from this, I got the idea, that maybe a swicher could be implemented between maOS, and iPadOS. Sort of like, how windows 10 has/had a switch between tablet and desktop mode. Now, I'm not saying it was perfect or anything. But the idea of being able to switch between desktop and tablet could come in handy. Like, for most of the time, you'd use tablet mode, when you need to use desktop features, you'd just switch to desktop mode, where you basically use macOS. Or something like that. It might be patented or not, but in case it is, you can just dual-boot the 2 operating system, and maybe "seemlesly" switch between the two, by running one, and having the other in sleep, and when you want to switch between the two, you reverse which one is running and which one is in sleep. But idk, I'm not an expert by any means, and I think it shows, but idk, maybe this could work
Respectfully, I don't think this video makes the point you think it's making. Your point is predicated on the assumption that putting MacOS on the iPad would require exhaustively eliminating iPad-specific features, while I don't think that's true. There's no reason that Apple couldn't expose developer APIs for the specific human interfaces that the iPad has; they already do this for touchpad gestures on MacBooks and the similar-but-different gestures on the Magic Mouse. MacOS would, if executed correctly, be exclusively a step forward for the iPad, while keeping all of the things we like about it the same.
It feels like he’s making the same an argument in a similar vain of those against allowing side loading. Giving the user more choice doesn’t mean removing pre-existing options or forcing a user to use other ones.
I’ve watch a LOT of videos on the iPad over the years and on this topic specifically, “why is apple holding it back? Why not give it Mac OS?” I appreciate the refreshing counterpoint of this video in the sea of content arguing for the opposite. Furthermore, it’s the most clear and best presented explanation of the differences between what an iPad can do vs a Mac in the video editing space and beyond. Nice work.
As someone who uses a Surface Pro without a keyboard most of the time, it remains buggy to use full desktop software on a touchscreen (Though we've had hover over with scrubbing and tooltips for what, a decade) and so not for everyone, but still the iPad is apple's only touchscreen option and so not giving the option for full software is severely limiting. Additionally, I dock it and use it as my main computer saving money, licences, resources and even apple can appreciate not having to do the cloud sync dance. I see 2 options, the syplist isto make a mac 2in1, which is an ipad with macOS but it is clear is designed to be with keyboard first and formost but still gives powerusers all the options. Or the better option is to after an experimental feature toggle maybe somewhat merge macOS and ipadOS wih 2 kernal/system apis coexisting allowing at least the ability to switch between macOS and ipadOS but also have apps from one or the other also exist windowed in the other, think WSL and WSA. I find neither option very lightly.
I have to disagree. This is a huge advantage Windows Tablets had over iPad, and might have now that Windows Tablets are coming back and with ARM Windows improving, iPad might get some good competence. I have a Dell Windows Tablet with Wacom capabilities and it's just a delight to use it. Before buying it I was interested in iPad but come on, you can't have the real office suite, real Adobe CC, the real reliability of a Desktop system. There are two ways: iPadOS get REAL Desktop capabilities, or MacOS and iPadOS get merged in a universal system that can run both. Because iPad will be just a glorified Netflix screen until it really gets the Desktop experience, it's still a "specific work" device
As always, great work on this video! Y’all always show a clear investment in journalistic investigation, talking about how people use the device in real life, and in thinking through topics with nuance. In a scene littered with clickbait, invitations for outrage, and over-discussion of Apple “leaks” and speculation, this is a truly needed breath of fresh air! How lucky are we that in answering the prompt to “make a channel that appeals to Apple users,” LMG and Mac Address didn’t create a channel based on specs, leaks, news, and the latest Apple controversy wheel. Nor did they go for something that would vaguely appeal to “hipsters in coffee shops,” the status obsessed, fans of lifestyle brands, or those who buy the devices because they look nice. Instead, they took inspiration from what Apple originally was in the first place: computers designed for everyday people to use them. And so Mac Address investigates how people actually use these devices, and the highs and lows of those everyday experiences. The result is a gem among channels!
BLENDER. BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER. How many must be sacrificed to quench the bloodthirst of Craig Federighi. We have hover cursor, practically necessary for 3D creation. We have the chip. Someone is going to say "We need Xcode!" and "We need Logic Pro!" and more likely "We need Final Cut!" but what we really need is BLENDER.
Engineering work on the iPad. Notability for quick sketches, shaper3D for quick modeling, and excel/sheets for data. OneDrive and Google drive work okay enough. The only thing we’re missing is a mobile 3d print slicer.
So here's my issue with the iPad. I bought an M1 iPad Pro thinking I could move my workflow entirely to the iPad and it's been so frustrating finding that the iPad version of many apps, specially adobe apps are missing so many freaking features. For example, Photoshop. It states that Smart Object support has been fully added, but it wouldn't let you edit the contents of an smart object making it freaking useless. So if I need to edit an smart object I need to go to Affinity Photo first, edit it and go back to Photoshop, only to find out my layers have been flattened. Also Photoshop is missing most layer effects and it's infuriating, that's been in Photoshop since I can remember! Rant aside, the iPad would benefit so much if it had a full version of Finder cause dealing with files is a pain. Wish Stage Manager would look more like Mac, allowing you to place windows however you like and that way we could have the Mac experience and the iPadOS experiece separated instead of one taking over the other. I don't know feel like having more ways to interact with be your apps would be better for the consumer.
My biggest issue with macOS is that not even apple themselves seem to support it as a laptop replacement OS. I'm not normally an apple user but i am an app developer for my job. And i am interested in developing apps directly for iOS if only the iPad supported proper development tools like apples own xcode (I'd also want visual studio but I'd only see that happening if apple first made xcode for it themselves). If i could just do the entire app development on one single device that would be great. Instead of having to buy both a Mac and an iPhone. Also they really need to improve file management, i mean i think it's horrendous on macOS already but so much worse still on ipadOS.
I would love to see an ipad supported version of VS code and Xcode. It's perfectly capable and with multitasking it could allow for the app to run while changes are being made during development to see live changes.
VS code for ipad is currently in the works its called VScode server, I had one of the betas and it was pretty good. th-cam.com/video/q2viJSYyKio/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=VisualStudioCode - here's the offical video for it.
Why not put both Operating systems in Ipad and switch on demand. Use it as an internet surfing device if you wish on IOS and when you want serious work to be done switch to MAC OS . Multiboot is not an unreasonable solution. Only reason behind MAC OS not in an Ipad that it is not touch friendly. ANd Apple doesnt wanna invest on it to be touch friendly that's why you do not have macbook airs which are touch screen... If WINDOWS is able to convert the modes on demand on Windows 11 why not Apple ? They just dont wanna loose a big profiting market which they have invested on...
I think you need to differentiate between OS and interface. I think Mac OS should be the base for all devices running m grade apple silicon. When working from iPad you should be using the iPad interface, but on an external display you could be able to use a MacOS interface, and the apps should be fully interchangeable with the obvious "designed for" issues. The goal being flexibility. If you play with a windows 2in1 you can see something similar when you switch from laptop to tablet mode. This would just be more extreme, and apple could easily claim the high ground.
I think they should just give the user the option to either have iPadOS or macOS. You chose which OS it runs, maybe even dual boot it? They could even call it BootCamp for iPad.
Then there would be 0 incentive to improve iPadOS, and no software devs who make interesting desktop class apps (like Resolve) would be interested in putting any time into iPadOS an figuring out the work needed to rebuild your entier UI for touch (this is what takes time). And that time is not time coding but time at a whiteboard or on paper working out what a good UX for touch is when you have 20+ years of indirect mouse input expirance in your app.
@@hishnash it shouldn’t be iPad or MacOS. It should be both. Combined would be like MacOS apps have more room to add features without making and managing a WHOLE NEW app. Just add to the apps they made already. Easier to add than start from scratch when computers are so similar. iPad literally just adds a touch screen and portability. How much more “innovation” is there going to be that justifies MacOS can’t be added to iPad when you can just combine them.
@@ericwheelhouse4371 The answer is philosophy. macOS is very open. For example, you can install third-party OSes on Macs without jailbreaking. On iPad, well, good luck! ✌🏻 That's why I'm opposed to putting iPadOS on Macs. Apple needs to change its philosophy first. Or they can fuck off!!!
@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np …that’s not what I was recommending. iPad needs MacOS with a UI change for iPad when you want the Tablet interface. That’s nothing to do with iPadOS
@@ericwheelhouse4371 That's exactly what I say. What if Apple introduces a lockdown macOS version for iPad? Will it eventually introduce back to Mac? Have you ever heard of "S Mode" on Windows? You are opening a Pandora's box, don't you know? Until Apple aligns the philosophy of iPadOS with macOS and iPad with Mac, leave macOS alone!!!
I'm an M1 iPad Pro user and I use it for video editing in Luma Fusion. The only big issue I have with iPad OS is lack of options and granularity for backups. It only supports backing up to iCloud, and does not support excluding certain folders from the backup. I can either back up all my huge transient video editing files to an expensive iCloud storage Subscription, or I can't backup ANY files. The fact that the files app backup is all or nothing, and the fact there is no "time machine" to back up to local storage, is a major pain.
It would be sexy if apple allowed mac programs to just run on an ipad a lot of things would be possible on the go If they could make something similar to dex mode, call it Cook mode, you get a choice of a desktop environment whenever you need it
I think the next app that should come to the iPad is blender, you won't be able to do as much on an iPad as you can on a desktop, but if you're out for travel and you don't want to carry your 24" cintiq pro and your whole set-up, an iPad will be sufficient to do modeling and a bit of texturing
programs shouldn't neet to get made for another os. there are two fine phone operating systems and two fine mainstream productivity operating systems. should be enought
I’ve produced hours of videos on iPad using LumaFusion, including one 35 min film. Unless you’re doing complicated things it’s actually simpler and easier in LumaFusion. Resolve shoes great promise but the UI needs more optimisation for a touch/pen based input. I think when people say ‘just put MacOS on iPad’ they’re really saying ‘make Files work like the Finder’ and ‘give me more flexibility with windowing’.
The real wonder about DaVnci Resolve on iPad is how much BlackMagic Design has done with all the restrictions Apple places through this approach. I had my 11 inch Ipad Pro M1 connected via a USB C hub to a FocusRite Scarlett 212, a hard drive, and an external monitor. Took me about half a day to get used to using the pencil as my primary tool for editing but by that point I was actually enjoying the process. I cut a video, corrected sound and even managed color grades with that set up, inside 4 hours? I will say Johnathan's needs are slightly more complicated than most: For quick edits and shiz, basic assemblies, I can see this working well for editors like me, especially when mostly working with 1080 and 4k content, in MOV and MPEG formats. In those cases, it's close to miraculous.
Mac Address! yall killed it on video yet again, videography, writing, audio, entertaining scripts/moments, I honestly feel like you guys as a channel don't get the exposure you guys deserve and as a fan I feel like you guys would kill it if there was more content on other cool stuff in addition to all the mac stuff and I feel like other people / other audiences would love it too
That's quite the hot take, but I respect the reasoning and actually agree with quite a bit of it. Well done, I didn't think I would be convinced to think twice about Mac OS being on the iPad
I’ve always said it needs a dock mode that gives it a full desktop UI that might as well be MacOS. This way, on the go you can use it as an iPad, then when you dock it at home or even just use the keyboard folio you can go into this desktop mode and use it as a laptop
and then you can run parallels inside of macOS in iOS on an ipad. I'd love to see how long the battery life would last in that scenario along with how much CPU/RAM and such it would all take up 😂
It’s a common reflex for most people. New software old software -> let’s keep using the old one. The correct flow is to report problems and demand fixes/better features for the new software.
Update, ignore this guy, the iPad definitely needs Mac OS or a version of Mac OS. A iPad that completely bridges the gap of a computer is perfect for a vast majority of people who would happily buy a iPad over a cheap windows computer
To be honest, I think we need support for side-loaded apps and some basic support for x86 apps. I use an iPad as my primary device, but found myself having to reopen my laptop because an art project of mine required some outdated software to program lights. If we just had support for side-loaded apps we could have emulators for other environments. This would make iPads amazing.
iPad should just quick-boot to MacOS when you connect a keyboard and then have shared storage, shared settings, and some Handoff features. Then you'd get a bonus touchscreen and Pencil input when using MacOS. Disconnect the keyboard and it would go right back to being an iPad and save the MacOS state for when you reconnect the keyboard. They would slowly merge the two operating systems over time (like they're already doing) to make them one seamless OS but quick switching between iPadOS and MacOS is the way to go for the time being.
I feel the color grading booth use case only really highlighted that macOS could benefit from a touchscreen. Especially when considering everything else around video editing. As an iPad mini user, I’m not sure macOS belongs on the iPad. At the very least, it doesn’t belong on the mini. It probably doesn’t belong on the base iPad. I can definitely see the argument, though, of bringing macOS to the M1/M2 iPads. For me, though, I’ve been considering getting an iPad Air with one of the new chips and I think I would prefer iPadOS. But I do agree that it needs a LOT more work to make it a more “professional” grade environment.
macOS would just be uncomfy on a touch screen though - there are a lot of small ui elements, buttons etc. , and forcing desktop-only developers to optimise apps for touch when most of us wouldn't have access to a touchscreen mac would just suck
@@starletscarlet This is a great argument against macOS on the iPad, but it doesn’t negate the usefulness of a touchscreen on a mac computer. I really do think the color grading use case shown here highlights that usefulness. I don’t think anyone would be arguing for a touch only interface on a macbook with a touchscreen.
While there is merit in the apples tablet keeping its own unique identity. There are a lot of ways to enable more/different users without hurting that core identity/use case.
Fair points. However TH-camrs almost inevitably assume video editing is what everyone cares about. Most of us are not tubers, we want things like our business software to run on the iPad so we can travel with it, or not need a MacBook and an iPad both to create art. I agree we don’t need MacOS interface, just software compatibility. Windows had tablet mode and desktop mode that could switch when docked. Would that work?
It drives me crazy that TH-camrs all think that "Pro" has to mean "for video editing". There are MANY professional uses for iPad and 99% of them are NOT editing videos.
Like everyone I KNOW! Even all my work is done though google, our whole organisation is run off google drive. Hate idiots that question a very true statement just for the sake of questioning.
Would honestly recommend trying Mac OS on a Cintiq tablet before assuming it wouldn’t work on an iPad. I’ve been waiting for years for apple to finally merge Mac OS onto the iPad. I have some hope with the new 14” pro model but I’m not going to hold my breath. For complex tasks, you need good tools and the iPad just doesn’t have it yet. The software sucks, especially for creatives (notable exception being procreate) because they keep neutering the desktop version of creative software. It means I have to use both a Mac and an iPad at the same time to do really deep work and that is annoying. My advice for people begging for this, who work primarily at one work station, get a Cintiq and connect it to your mac. Now apple can continue these stupid games and I’m not nearly as mad about it.
I was a iPad can do everything I need person for years. Finally got back into editing videos, photos. Also wanted to play better games on the go and even start coding some. I ended up more time Remote Desktop to my home pc to do things I wanted to do. Finally broke down and bought my first Mac ever. Love the Mac book and made realize yes. The iPad does need more Mac OS then iOS
It's simply not made for macos (or rather macos for it) just the way steve jobs described how touchscreen on a macbook would be stupid. Because besides entertainment, the iPad is the handheld thing for touching drawing etc while the mac is the device that has mouse input as standart and is supposed to be a device where you dnt interact with the screen - this may seem unimportant to some but it there's obviously a reason for the sizes and ways of ipadOS - it's made for touching it without further effort and so using macos on the iPad or merging ipadOS and macOS more and more is a rather 'unthoughtful' idea. The only solution would be to have both ipadOS and macOS run on the ipad like with boot camp - or only give the option to use macOS-type-UI to developers who develop software that is explicitely made for mouse and keyboard. But obviously some of these, like editing software, can also be changed to a touch ui so it lies with the developer in the end, of course. But I hope Apple does not listen to those who want mac and ipad be the same because while you often can't find too many differences, when you think about it there's a whole lot, not just the explicit but also the 'interaction-philosopical' stuff. That's (part of) what i think about it.
I think if they did it more and more (i haven't even tried that stage? window? manager yet and i'm highly sceptical about how hard it is to use), only then many would realize how it would theoretically become more powerful in a way but at the same time the usability would go down at high speed and would be a pain.
It needs MACOS!!! You know you can hook up the ipad to a tv. and use a mouse. And if the file system wasnt garbage, it would be so much easier to edit. So yeah. Mac os plz.
The main thing an iPad lacks that a Mac has is a proper terminal and IDEs in my opinion. Along with supporting more than one external Monitor (also one of the large reasons I don't use a MacBook). I want/need to navigate through most of my computer using the cli.
I think it would be a better situation to put an optional dual boot macOS on the iPad pro models, such that you can use it as a PC like an upgraded samsung Dex. This makes a better reason to buy 'Pro' iPads and shelling laptop money on iPads(especially for creative professionals), most ytubers who give the iPadOS argument ignore this option.
My ipad pro (2020) has been used for video editing recently (iphone 12 footage) and it held up admirably! no issues with stutters or skipping, or crashes. it was just a music video rather than long projects with lots of media and inserts, however.
As a current user of an iPad Pro, Microsoft already had the ability to switch between Tablet and Desktop modes which changed the UI years ago. I don't understand why we couldn't have this ability of the iPad to fit the need of the person using it. I would love the ability to either use it as an iPad or Desktop depending on the software I'm using.
1) blackmagic is one of the first companies to adapt to ipados, not all companies will 2) companies shouldn't need to develop for one more os. there is a perfectly fine working phone os and a perfectly fine productivity os. either combine the two including all functionality or make an option to switch between them
I love how being a mac lover is being impressed by basic thing that were not available to them before, they act like the hovering is a magic invention but every stylus on windows and android have been doing this since the beginning...
I don't know if this necessarily will add to the argument for the iPad to stay as an iPad but here goes. I think the trouble with the iPads, and probably tablets in general is that they try to be too many things at once. The laptop is designed to replace the desktop, smartphones are designed to replace the telephone, so I think the best thing for the iPad is that it needs to find something that only it could do very well, and I think that lies with media consumption. It's great for watching videos and movies on the go, playing some games, and reading books. It already has apple's M processors that are capable enough to run games like resident evil village (albeit not in its most detailed setting), so I think having it as a gaming machine that could also do some light productive work would be stellar. Another thing would be that iPad is a great substitute for a book in general. Anything that you can do on a book can be done on the iPad, like taking notes and drawing (on a professional level even). The pencil makes the digital arts use case for the iPad really a compelling point to consider. I think the thing is that just because the iPad has computer-level hardware, people expect it to become a computer. When the tablet form factor came out I don't think anyone was expecting it to do any desktop-grade workloads on a portable slab like the iPad, people use it for better consumption of media by simply being a portable larger screen. I think that's the key, being a relatively large screen that you can bring anywhere, and that's why I think it's important that the iPad remains as an i-PAD. It shouldn't lose its main appeal.
Yes, there might be an app on the iPad which fits your use-case, but for many of us that's not the case. I'm not saying just put MacOS on the iPad and call it a day, but the iPad is clearly powerful enough to have Macbook capabilities and they advertise it as a "pro" tool, but treat it as a multimedia toy. So give it a proper desktop mode, where, when connected to a keyboard and possibly an external monitor, you can utilize the iPad like a proper PC (the stage manager is a step in the right direction, but not enough). Just as important would be a free app ecosystem. Make it possible to sideload (maybe hide a setting to allow sideloading to "protect" your precious infant...users), make it easy to port apps from Mac to iPad and don't just cherry pick some apps to shut up a part of the userbase. When I went to university, I used my iPad to take notes, but as soon as I had to write a couple lines of code or edit a project I had to take my four times heavier laptop with me, which has half the power of the iPad, and why? Because Apple thinks we are all infants. (There are workarounds which are okay-ish, but none include having a proper code editor or IDE directly on your iPad as well as a compiler). It's not like we want the iPad to become a Mac, but we want the option to use it like a Mac, if we choose so. Proper desktop mode and app ecosystem.
Having used Samsung Dex every day since 2019, may I recommend giving the users the option to use iPadOS as a tablet and MacOS as a DTE when docked? It's so obvious to me that this is by far the best solution.
I think there’s a lot of people who mean “iPadOS should be more like MacOS rather than iOS” when they say “iPad needs MacOS”. Apple has clearly been very slow to empower iPadOS.
No, lots of people literally want MacOS on iPadOS, hence… this video. I agree iPadOS should, in certain ways, be more like MacOS. But iPadOS is ultimately optimized for the touch experience, while MacOS isn’t.
@@mlx39996 It's not like you can't have two different interfaces, one for touch and one for kb/m. Windows 10 did it.
i think apple needs to move in more mac os style features in ipad os with still a tone of tablet features it’s a computer they say but can’t do thing i would on my mac book
@@wta1518 and windows's touch interface is terrible. see, what youre referring to is a touchscreen mac. but thats not what the ipad is. the ipad isnt macos tablet mode, and its not what its designed to be
@@mlx39996 I never said that Windows' touch interface was good, I was just saying that it's possible to have multiple interfaces.
I want to say that I love that this channel is not just spec comparing but actually testing the devices in ways that people who already know the specs want to hear and see and that the ultimate statement of the videos is not only what you already think to yourself when reading the titles.
An iPad is only as good as the App Store. iPad limitation is due to the App Store. The same can’t be said for the Mac 💻
they could solve this with sideloading, not that they ever will, at least not by choice.
Which is why Apple will never allow MacOS on the iPad. MacOS allows traditional software acquisition channels where Apple just provides the hardware and OS, possibly a licensed feature or API, , where IOS / iPadOS app store means Apple gets to steal a 30% cut of all app vendor revenue.
Ya'll are looking at this backwards. What's really going to happen is that Apple will eventually dump MacOS on the desktop / laptops and branch a desktop iPadOS which will then allow Apple to theive 30% of that software revenue as well.
Mark my words, Apple is determined to replicate their IOS app store model across every product line they have, finish walling off those gardens and ensure all software companies pay for the privilege of selling software, subscriptions or services to all Apple product users.
@@racerex340 macOS already has the App Store
yout got a heat from Jonathan .. dude
@danielleone8801 Just throw it in a trash, out of sight of mind.
For years I would like to have the ability to do software development on the iPad as easily as I do on my Mac. There was a move towards it with Swift Playground having some of the capabilities of Xcode, but it just stalled and never matured to anything beyond playfulness. I still lack comprehensive editors and IDEs like Visual Studio Code and the JetBrains suite. I also think that some software development workflows lean a lot on switching between apps and having them side-by-side, which means that iPadOS needs to improve its multi-tasking capabilities to allow to do this more conveniently. I also use a lot of community tools which I think would mean that the barrier to create an app will need to be lowered for an iPad work-env to be as lively as a desktop one. I can't work without brew. This can either be sandboxed or managed system-wide somehow, but this needs to be solved. And I'm all for what you're saying with not having macOS on the iPad. It's just that iPadOS needs to improve to accommodate these very real requirements, or introduce software development workflow alternatives that solve the same basic needs. For instance the graphical flow editor of Unreal Engine can be amazing to work with on the iPad.
I don’t think they can add anything like coding as an app with iPads. The way IPadOS works, is that every single app is sandboxed, so something as complex as that might be different or difficult.
@@Thewaterspirit57 you’re right, but there are still ways to facilitate this. They can sandbox the built app in a simulator and give the IDE a debug interface into it. It will not be perfect to begin with, but it’ll be a start they can iterate over.
I'm not sure cause I don't have ipad, but vscode has a remote feature which you can connect into through a browser, it may work as a fully featured IDE
@@Haisui there are a lot of good enough IDEs and editors. The main problem I’m raising here is that most software development flows are multi-tasked by design, and these are not flows that are easily replicated on an iPad even though there exists a very good app for most specific tasks in that flow.
It should be able to *switch* to a MacOS-like interface, especially when docked with an external mouse and keyboard. This is easier to do than ever with USB-C hubs.
And just like that we have windows 8 lol
@@jasonlast7091 Yeah sure but its windows 8 but with apples general polish.
I just want to able to choose what I want on my device not other people saying: you don’t need this.
I love the iPad but when I have a 300$ keyboard it better gets MacOs as an option. And after 2 years the iPad Pro still isnt a "pro" device just an iPad on steroids.
This is exactly what Galaxy Tabs do when they're attached to a keyboard and mouse or a laptop case. The iPad needs its own DeX mode
@@jasonlast7091 windows 8 actually worked genuinely decently on tablets, the reason why it was bad was because microsoft forced it on desktop users
My ipad is simply just a glorified PDF viewer/editor honestly. I use it for sheet music so, reading scores, writing music, editing music, the list goes on. All the extra trinkets that have been introduced I hardly use and really are just a drain on my battery life as it turns out. The most 'techy' my iPad use has gotten is controlling a presentation and reading my notes in separate apps with the splitscreen ability
I use it for everything. -Maybe 8 hours a day.
Learning languages, taking notes for lectures, watching lectures, watching videos, managing my digital life, programm on it, play on it, shop on it.
Still I am disappointed, that I cannot write iOS applications on it, because XCode is only available for MacOS.
I just hate my MacBook.
@@antman7673 damn, you should be my lost brother or something because I hate mine one too
It sounds like you need an e-ink device instead of an iPad.
I think the Steam Deck is a good concept for what the iPad could be: a streamlined interface with a full desktop os system that you don't have to deal with if you don't want to
So in other words, Windows 8 Metro UI.
@@evildude109 Was metro ui a polished, streamline interface with about a decade of constant iterations?
@@evildude109 uhhhmmm no🤓
I think I'd rather just buy a Steam Deck than an iPad tbh
@@yeetsupYT They're completely different devices.
My point is that the steam Deck is primarily a gaming device, with an optimized os and ui meant for the use case it's for. You can use a full on desktop ui/os if you want, but it's not optimal if you don't have a keyboard and mouse, but it's there if you want/need the extra functionality. IPad doesn't need to just have iPad os anymore, it basically has the same hardware as the MacBooks.
I know it's not as simple as slapping the iPad ui on Mac os, but if Valve had the resources to do so, so can Apple
0:11 That hasn't aged well!!
The problem with the iPad is that iPadOS is annoying to do many basic tasks. Apple intends that annoyance unfortunately. They call it a simpler experience for the everyday user. The problem is the iPad Pro is intended for "Pros" (whether that's Professional or prosumer... that's a different question).
Well pro is often just a marketing term meaning it’s the device that has the best features (in the case of the iPad it’s quad speakers, 120hz pro motion, mini LED on the bigger size)
It just means the best device in its range
I think this is where the major frustration is i.e. Apple claims in all their ipad pro presentations that its the IPAD FOR THE PROFESSIONALS, yet they deliver a product which is just a PLUS size of normal ipad.
And Having a mini led display doesn't help any professional outside colour correction profession, apple desperately needs to either correct their marketing or their product.
@@Isengardtom Exactly. Much like the Pro pods, a sound guy would not buy those things for the recording studio. 🤷🏽♂️
Definitely consider the iPad Pro for the "prosumer" (in most cases).
Everyone I know that has an iPad Pro uses it for exactly the same things you can do on the cheapest, base model iPad... just the Pro feels "nicer" to use.
The vast majority of iPads sold are not iPad Pros but regular iPad or iPad Air or mini and are used for content consumption.
I'd love to see more ipad (even iphone) videos focused on creativity use-cases; photo editing, 3d modelling, audio production. and see where the strengths and limitations of the hardware and software are. This series is so great, good going Horst!
then go and watch an apple centric channel then............ you sad sad sad little apple user..
i prefer editing on a 42inch oled than hunched over a tiny screen
@@steviegbcool some people don't have the money or space for that, and an ipad can have multiple uses in one box
@@BadMotivator66 you could get a pretty good laptop and monitor for the same price as a new ipad pro 1tb
@@steviegbcool true, but not as portable. perhaps someone needs a tablet to maybe draw or photo edit, along with a pc for video calls, or audio production, etc. one device that's portable for all.
From a software developer perspective, the iPad Pro isn't a "pro" device without XCode and Homebrew and the like. And probably root access. It's just a locked down toy that Apple doesn't actually let you use for real purposes.
For professional photography or audio or the like it could be fine with the right apps; though I'm not personally familiar with the state of that.
inb4 “put bash/zsh on iPad” 😅 but yeah, I totally agree that it’s not helpful as a device for developers
Yeah but then again its probably also not apples intended market. Most of the marketing is geared towards creative professionals like video/audio editors and the like.
@@jackedup447 Sure. Though it seems a bit strange to me that this intended market doesn't include developing apps for the iPad itself, when they offer an M2 processor in a 13 inch tablet with a keyboard dock that surely could be perfectly suitable for that if they let you do it.
And then for the most part I can use Windows, macOS, or Linux for any professional or non-professional purpose. So the iPad is artificially limited and only suitable for certain things, it doesn't really make sense to talk about it as a replacement or alternative to a real computer in any general sense. Even if it's a useful tool for certain things.
But it also *could* be suitable for all of this. If the keyboard dock works well enough the 13 inch iPad pro could be a totally fine Laptop replacement with an unrestricted OS. Presumably the M2 chip should be able to drive dual external monitors (not sure if the iPad allows this currently) so it could be docked and work as a desktop. And performance should be good enough for most things. But Apple doesn't let you do that. Probably to ensure they can keep making revenue from the app store and in-app purchases more than any philosophical or design concern. So the iPad doesn't seem particularly useful to me personal, even though it *could* be if Apple *let* it be.
True. A handy SSH device in a pinch, sure. Maybe even quick edits in a browser based editor.
But a full blown development environment, probably not there yet.
@@ids1024 y e p. I absolutely agree. With how great the SDK is on macs im suprised that they decided to not at least include a XCode app for iOS aswell, but they seem to want to segment developers for macos/Ios to specifically MacOS based devices instead.
Apple cannot be selling all these accessories that make the iPad a laptop replacement without giving it a damn file system with organized storage structure.
I don't own a Samsung tablet, but I know they have a feature called Samsung Dex. When you use it your tablet's os turns into a windows like mode. I think it would be great if the iPad had such a feature where it could switch between ios and some form of mac os. Best of both worlds with the only caveat being the iPad may need more storage to accommodate the new os.
Don't use it often but the times I have its been great for basic tasks like word processing, email, etc. Certainly beats stage manager.
Yep. That's what people want, to be able to use an external monitor off the iPhone and run a desktop OS UI. It doesn't have to be macOS but that would be ideal as there is so much already available for macOS. Or for a tablet, to be able to do that or run the UI on the tablet screen and connecting a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Unfortunately, we all know the main reason they haven't done this is likely because they want to pressure people to have to buy more of their hardware. Their laptop and desktop sales would likely decline if people could run a desktop OS off their phones and tablets. It just really sucks that they may avoid doing this for as long as possible.
DeX is great for when you want to get some work done or need multiple windows open. And while you can have pop-up windows open and enable a feature in the settings to allow for a window function in regular tablet mode and the taskbar is an option now, there's just something about standard DeX mode
I have a Samsung tablet and I've never tried the dex but it looks really cool
This will not happen. Apple doesn't do things like that.
As many others have said, the option to launch a MacOS mode would be nice. I would certainly be much more interested in taking a look at an iPad if they did this. Especially when my 12 inch retina macbook finally kicks the bucket.
We need a DeX counterpart from the Apple side, it's so good on all of my Galaxies that I've had. I've been thinking about this for a long time since I also owned an iPad since the 2nd gen
Yes sadly this channel tried reviewing dex without an external monitor, a keyboard or a mouse. Just played around with it natively on a tablet and was "Meh, I like iPad better." It was so frustrating
Agree!
DeX isn't even perfect but I find it so useful at times when I have to manage a lot of windows and Android apps at the same time.
Nah Dex sucks. Floating arbitrarily resizable windows are a terrible idea that needs to die
I agree. I would only need one device for 90 percent of work.
I miss Linux on DeX. Containers in your phone! Brief, magical time in Galaxy history.
The problem isn't iPadOS or even the inability to sideload apps.
It is the lack of appropriate apps (Final Cut Pro, etc.)
Apple is better off bettering iPadOS rather than turning it into macOS. As I said, unmistakably iPad.
iPads should not try to be similar to Macs. They should be the best version of themselves. Once again, authenticity.
Man I'm really glad you spoke about the issue MS Word. Its BS. The inconsistency across apps is what bothers me more. I've switched to a base M2 MBA and it's serving me well.
The issue here is if these apps are using the system text rendering or using thier own. MS are using thier own and that would be find if they put any effort into making it work on iPadOS but they don't, just the DPI along creates issues for it.
ms word is ass because microsoft wants you to use the surface.
The HUGE shining star of the Mac IS it's full featured Office products. Having been a previous MS Office user since it's FIRST version and fed up with it's bugs, using Pages and Numbers was an instant pure joy for me. Numbers and Pages are HUGE advantages that Apple has over any other product, and it's included in the MacBook! But I don't like the fact that it's NOT the same full featured product under IOS. Apple missed the boat there, which is why IOS needs to be dumped.
I've been using the iPad Pro for note taking for the past 1.5 years and I love it, but as soon as I tried do do something like video edit or make a CAD model (things apple claim the iPad is perfectly capable of) the limitations become painfully apparent. What sucks is that while the iPad is great at what apple intends you to use it for, but unlike a computer there is no ability for the user to create their own use cases. I bought an iPad because apple told me it was good for note taking, but as soon as you try to do something apple didn't think you would want to do, the whole experience breaks down.
It’s clear that the only correct option is to put ipadOS on the mac
this is basically what apple is going for on their macos
so real for this
new setting seems def suspicious lol
This, but unironically. I use MacOS every day and have for the past 6 years (minus a few days here and there), and I can assure you, it's built on a pile of spaghetti code that they're never going to fix and won't improve upon. It's beyond frustrating, and just starting over (ie, IpadOS) would be better. I've seen the Linux DE's beat out macOS in these 6 years. There's no reason Apple couldn't.
Some people just want to see the world burn
I think they could merge both. The touch integration into MacOS, and the full fledged computer systems into iPadOS, so they are one and the same, and toggles for interfaces and stuff that could also be automatic when you remove it from the keyboard.
I think you would love an OS terminal app to launch MacOS through a vm within ipad OS
Virtual Mac OS on the iPad is the answer just so you can run Mac software if you need to. Parallels?
@@jakesullivan9179 Terminal? No, emulator.
While it’s cool that this is more geared towards content creation, not every apple user is a content creator. I see nothing wrong if they keep iPad OS as a tablet mode kinda like how windows 8 was supposed to be but executed apple style, and then have a Mac OS mode if you want to use a more complete OS and connect a keyboard and trackpad.
Exactly, many professionals don't work with video, and for all of those the iPad is still just an iPad that we have to ditch aside when it's time too work
This applies to every tech review on youtube these days. I don't care about benchmarks i'll never use. I want real world battery tests? camera tests? can it game? are the speakers good or shit? etc. I don't care about the geekbench score or what it does in blender as i'd imagine 95% of people buying tech aren't using these products to make "content".
This!!! When I say iPad needs macOS, I mean the ability to run full IDEs and a Terminal to help me develop software anywhere on-the-go!!! No reason why it cannot given M2 and the Magic Keyboard...yet the iPad is useless as a standalone development device!!!
The iPad Pro needs to ship with three storage drives. A drive dedicated to iPadOS (32GB should be sufficient), a drive dedicated to macOS (32GB might be fine but let's give it 64GB to be safe), and a shared data drive (this would be the capacity you choose when buying the device, the other two cannot be accessed by the end user).
Now if you want to use the iPad as an iPad you do your normal stuff. If you need Mac functionality you restart into macOS and get full Mac capability. If you want to return to the iPad interface you restart into that mode. The dedicated storage drives for iPadOS and macOS would not be user accessable without terminal commands to unlock access, they would only be there for the system so there is always free space to be able to download and install an update to the OS and to prevent the device from being unable to boot up because of a completely full storage drive, something that happens more frequently with iPhones but I wouldn't be surprised if iPads and Macs have the same issue from time to time.
The iPad is still where I want to work. I’m tired of trying to bend it to my will to get it to work. Felt like I spent so much money on a glorified iPhone now with its regressions that iPadOS took in 2021. The iPadOS 15 update was a bunch of wasted space that was gone in iPadOS 14. Hot take those widgets on the Home Screen took the much superior Today View on the iPad. I prefer the big clock and the widgets on the side. And there is padding on the sides drives me nuts - it ruined my Home Screen.
The today view was most definitely better, I had to arrange my widgets perfectly so that my home screen didn't look like a mess when I rotated it...
@@NcLax5 you know you can move widgets/apps in vertical and horizontal mode independently of each other? Like you can have widget/app in the left right corner when in horizontal mode and in right bottom corner when in vertical mode if you want to
@@Temac000 Yeah I knew this, it was just horribly awkward to figure out the first time when the update came out! It actually even still messes itself up after updates every now and then too.
I don't see why Apple doesn't implement something similar to the SteamDeck. You can have it in 'gaming' mode and 'desktop' mode by pushing a button in the power menu. iPad could easily toggle between what it is now, and a MacOS environment couldn't it? Also, I've recently been using my 11" 2018 iPad Pro in Sidecar and have even set it up as my primary monitor a few times. The screen resolution is certainly sharp enough to be used as an 11" macbook display. The only difficulty was using programs like Adobe Illustrator where I have a large amount of toolbars open on the right hand side of the screen. Otherwise, it was more than sufficient and obviously a fair trade-off for portability.
I agree that MacOS shouldn’t be on iPad but the iPadOS should have capabilities that a “professional” expects to have. Like he brought up file management which has been kinda improved and I like that you have access to your different cloud storage solutions. I would also like to see iPadOS treat video out differently. 90% of the time, it mirrors the screen the same way you mirror a screen on airplay. It’s full of compression, there’s some slight delay which makes it kinda nauseating if you want to hook it up to a big screen to work on a Google doc which is already painful enough on the iPad, or play some games. I don’t need a full desktop mode but maybe don’t leave it to app developers to support external display to make use of the video out capability of the very expensive tablet I just bought
@@johnolin learn to read
Honestly, if you're going to reprogram IOS to operate like a MAC, why not use the same software and just modify the UI. Lack of the superior Finder, which is tightly integrated in the MacOS, IS what's missing from IOS.
As you said, it's the small things like mouse support and icons that mean we run into issues. What macs also have is a life beyond software support- and with the addition of drive support and vlc player, word, excel, etc the ipad is a lot closer to having that as well. but until we're fully there I fear many functioning usable devices will end up as E-waste.
The iPad needs a DeX mode like the Galaxy Tabs have. A desktop style shell with resizeable, windowable apps and a taskbar/dock. Make it only activate when it's docked or used as a laptop, just like DeX. That'd turn it into a true PC replacement.
that would be amazing to use, especially when you could just plug your ipad in, and work on your projects with a large monitor and a keyboard and mouse, then unplug your ipad when you need to go somewhere and even still work on your projects, with the added bonus of being able to use your apple pencil
Well that’s basically already here with Stage Manager no? You can set it so that it is enabled on the external monitor and not the iPad itself.
That would reduce the sales of Mac mini and MacBooks.
@@andreaszweili8593I have both an iPad Pro m1 and a Samsung tab, and trust me, Dex blows stage manager out of the water when it comes to actually being a desktop replacement
Yeah I imagine that would work better. Especially because Android is more flexible in general. However it’s not like the iPad is unusable. I just worked a whole day on the iPad it was quite doable. Granted most of it was remote via SSH but was doable.
I think a lot of the arguments in favor of putting MacOS on iPad are actually more about putting touchscreens on Macs (ie “wouldn’t it be good if you could use a Mac workflow and occasionally reach out and tweak stuff in the UI using a finger or Pencil?”). I think iPad would mostly benefit from having apps be less locked-down and tied to the one App Store.
Yes! Especially MacOS with all of the iPads touch features combined into one is what we need
Right! Allow the screen to fold back so you can use it as a touchscreen tablet, or, make the keyboard detachable.
But it should. At least on the M1 SoC and newer iPads. Basically, M1 and newer iPads are the spiritual successor of the discontinued 12" Macbook in most aspects (other than the lack of keyboard and trackpad, and MacOS).
The only reason Apple will not do this is because it'll cannibalize Macbook sales.
Thing is that I'm not buying a MacBook, but the iPad is a compelling form factor enough to consider it. So it just cannibalizes _all_ sales (at least for me).
Apple realy does not care about cannibalizing thier own product sales, otherwise they would have never let you listen to music on the iPhone. They understand better than most companies that it is much better to self cannibalize than to sit back and leave a good idea>
iPads running macOS would not impact Mac sales at all, after all once you add a keyboard case with trackpad to an iPad and add the additional battery to make it be able to run macOS and have the same batter life the iPad setup would in fact cost users more and make apple a lot more margin as the accessories are way higher margin than the hardware.
I had a 10th gen iPad th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUGaHtKW8MwCql2fPyIm9-ftTqSMzKFFA . Felt it getting pretty slow at times even after doing a reset. So I am using that as a tablet for my 5 year old son and got this 9th gen version. MUCH faster, a little slimmer, smaller bezels, all around a leap forward. Plus, for the price that’s about $130-$150 cheaper than a current new model this is a nice deal. I look forward to the M-series CPUs coming into iPads which will really help future proof these tablets better but these latest CPUs are pretty strong and should do better to last several years with no compromises.
I've used an iPad Pro for my work as a classical singer and stage actor for years, and I switched from Windows to MacOS a bit over one year ago because of the fantastic used prices the Mac Mini M1 was going for (Lockdowns weren't kind to stage artists' wallets), but I miss the touchscreen. On Windows I used the touchscreen all the time whether I was making demos or promotional material (videos, photos, flyers, etc.), creating music in my spare time or using Notion.
Storage and assets organisation is also horrific, because file explorer on Windows while not great is decades ahead of MacOS, and don't even get me started on Apple's complete lack of developer support!
iPadOS while theoretically more limited has almost never been a frustrating experience to me. It's logical and friendly and highly conducive to quick turnarounds and creative flow. If anything, I want a juiced-up iPadOS on the Mac.
Except for the 100% unintuitive and clearly inferior to everything Settings app (go Android!), so of course that's what they decided to port to MacOS
We’re still missing Xcode, though. That’s probably the biggest sticking point regarding iPadOS.
This video just proves it needs MacOS lmao
Nah. We should be able to switch interfaces but I think macOS on it would just defeat the entire purpose of it. If you want to us macOS then you might as well get a MacBook. It’s literally a docked iPad.
@@DrakeDaraitis…Without the Apple Pencil, a wonderful art tool I would like to use.
Exactly. MacOS is much closer to a full experience than iPadOS is. Adding pencil and touch support to MacOS is so much less work than fixing all the artificial barriers Apple put in place in iPadOS.
Ideally, for a period, Apple should give people *gasp*, a choice!
They should make iPadOS a touch optimised version of MacOS, with the same suite of desktop programs available on a Mac. Apple could make a serious Microsoft surface tablet competitor with the iPad Pro, considering the main benefit of that compared to iPads/Galaxy Tabs is that it runs a full desktop operating system
And now with a base model ipad pro 12.9" (it's not 13", surprise), a pencil, and a magic keyboard, the iPad costs more than a base model Macbook Pro 14". And can do.. half as much? Maybe?
Insane.
Agree, the iPad doesn’t need a full version of Mac OS. I think we need a ‘desktop mode’ which is still designed to be used by fingers and pencils. It enable always on dock, multitasking window similar to the ones of stage manager but should not auto-align to a grid. Minimise feature similar to the Mac with swiping the window to the dock being the gesture. The three dot of Mac windows is still there and finally a menu bar which is larger in size but can be hidden unlike Mac.
No that’s basically the same idea. It needs a full MacOS but add a tablet mode to keep the UI feeling when it’s portable. iPadOS and MacOS need to combine not be one or the other.
I don't want Mac OS on iPad for the exact same reason why I ditched my Surface for an iPad Pro. Operating Systems that are designed primarily for mouse and keyboard use are fundamentally incompatible with touch controls.
I loved my Surface. It did everything I wanted it to do. But as a tablet, for watching videos, playing games, checking your email, the touch interface really sucks on Windows. It was much more complicated than it needed to be. And worse, as a laptop, it still was underperforming due to the small screen and wonky keyboard implementation.
The iPad is no different. Trying to use it as a laptop always results in frustration because it is fundamentally a device designed to be easy and quick.
And that is why I bought one. I can do anything I need to do in a computing system, in a manner that is quick and easy. But when I need to do work like CAD and music production, I would never want to even try to do it in an iPad.
In my opinion, what would be a very cool implementation is if the iPad could function as a Mac Mini. Using iPad OS for everyday tablet computing, and then getting to your office and plugging it into a thunderbolt hub, rebooting the iPad into Mac OS and getting to work.
The iPad is basically my laptop when I’m not home. There are times I want it to be more laptop like and time when I want it to be a tablet. It succeeds at being a tablet but when I need it to be a laptop it sucks.
Examples being file sharing, the webcam shutting off if I move to another application, the awkwardness of trying to upload or download content to and from the device.
Thing is these annoying quirks aren’t noticeable on the surface, you only notice these limitations when you’ve used it for a while. Those limitations get annoying.
Now imagine, you had 25GB more storage (that's about 1$ in cost), and could dual-boot your device 😄.
I with Apple would be more open to such things, and just allow them.
I think those are issues that can be solved _within_ iPadOS.
@@AntonioNoack 25GB sounds like a misery in an iPad, and I can't see the benefit of dual booting on any device that is not a computer.
@ It’s what I’m trying to say. iPadOS just needs to take some notes from macOS and some quality of life updates.
In fairness to the Davinci app, the speed editor is a great addition if you want that speed back!
If you want to keep editing but feel like you slow down, I can recommend it. And it comes with a studio Resolve and Fusion key too for your Mac/PC/Linux!
You can see hints that they're heading in the direction of enabling the "Pro" features we crave for it when it's docked on a keyboard with a trackpad/mouse. Admittedly it's gotten a LOT better but still feels like there's too much hand holding for what amounts to a Pro device that can cost as much as a new Macbook Pro when kitted out. When they initially said Stage Manager and External Display support would be limited to the M series chips it made me slightly optimistic that they might start developing a "Pro" version of iPadOS strictly limited for the Pro models. I think Samsung's Dex would be a fantastic model to follow if this is where they choose to go for it in the future. Restricting a more mature desktop experience to docked would be a very fair compromise.
Great video!
I really really love the kind of content that comes of Mac Address!
Horst always delivers this kind of "not the expected" takes on Apple products. It's refreshing!
Thanks!!!
As a daily driver of DaVinci Resolve since 2016 (on Windows 10)... I was SUPER excited to use the mobile app on my M1 iPad Pro! I quickly found it to be quite lackluster for what I need to do, so I regrettably uninstalled it from my iPad since it would just slowdown my workflow. I know people use LumaFusion on iPad... but I also found it too troublesome. MacOS and Windows will always be superior for professional video editing workflows in my experience. While iPad does not need MacOS... it certainly needs something akin to Rosetta to run MacOS apps on iPad.
Side loading sliding fix 80% of the iPad’s limitations. Why is it not a programmers dream? Limited application and OS support.
Massive respect to the team for making the videos on this channel a different vibe compared to the other LTT videos!
(Ofcourse in a good way)
Oh my god you guys have been typing this on every single one of these Mac Address vids since the channel was created lmao. Give it a rest.
@@LeftJoystick He is fishing for subs.
Full discloser, I don't own either a mac or an iPad, but from this, I got the idea, that maybe a swicher could be implemented between maOS, and iPadOS. Sort of like, how windows 10 has/had a switch between tablet and desktop mode. Now, I'm not saying it was perfect or anything. But the idea of being able to switch between desktop and tablet could come in handy. Like, for most of the time, you'd use tablet mode, when you need to use desktop features, you'd just switch to desktop mode, where you basically use macOS. Or something like that. It might be patented or not, but in case it is, you can just dual-boot the 2 operating system, and maybe "seemlesly" switch between the two, by running one, and having the other in sleep, and when you want to switch between the two, you reverse which one is running and which one is in sleep. But idk, I'm not an expert by any means, and I think it shows, but idk, maybe this could work
Respectfully, I don't think this video makes the point you think it's making.
Your point is predicated on the assumption that putting MacOS on the iPad would require exhaustively eliminating iPad-specific features, while I don't think that's true. There's no reason that Apple couldn't expose developer APIs for the specific human interfaces that the iPad has; they already do this for touchpad gestures on MacBooks and the similar-but-different gestures on the Magic Mouse.
MacOS would, if executed correctly, be exclusively a step forward for the iPad, while keeping all of the things we like about it the same.
It feels like he’s making the same an argument in a similar vain of those against allowing side loading. Giving the user more choice doesn’t mean removing pre-existing options or forcing a user to use other ones.
I’ve watch a LOT of videos on the iPad over the years and on this topic specifically, “why is apple holding it back? Why not give it Mac OS?” I appreciate the refreshing counterpoint of this video in the sea of content arguing for the opposite. Furthermore, it’s the most clear and best presented explanation of the differences between what an iPad can do vs a Mac in the video editing space and beyond. Nice work.
My favorite thing about MA-channel is the outdoors-settings and I'm sad every time then it's not the case :(
As someone who uses a Surface Pro without a keyboard most of the time, it remains buggy to use full desktop software on a touchscreen (Though we've had hover over with scrubbing and tooltips for what, a decade) and so not for everyone, but still the iPad is apple's only touchscreen option and so not giving the option for full software is severely limiting.
Additionally, I dock it and use it as my main computer saving money, licences, resources and even apple can appreciate not having to do the cloud sync dance.
I see 2 options, the syplist isto make a mac 2in1, which is an ipad with macOS but it is clear is designed to be with keyboard first and formost but still gives powerusers all the options.
Or the better option is to after an experimental feature toggle maybe somewhat merge macOS and ipadOS wih 2 kernal/system apis coexisting allowing at least the ability to switch between macOS and ipadOS but also have apps from one or the other also exist windowed in the other, think WSL and WSA.
I find neither option very lightly.
I have to disagree. This is a huge advantage Windows Tablets had over iPad, and might have now that Windows Tablets are coming back and with ARM Windows improving, iPad might get some good competence.
I have a Dell Windows Tablet with Wacom capabilities and it's just a delight to use it. Before buying it I was interested in iPad but come on, you can't have the real office suite, real Adobe CC, the real reliability of a Desktop system.
There are two ways: iPadOS get REAL Desktop capabilities, or MacOS and iPadOS get merged in a universal system that can run both. Because iPad will be just a glorified Netflix screen until it really gets the Desktop experience, it's still a "specific work" device
As always, great work on this video! Y’all always show a clear investment in journalistic investigation, talking about how people use the device in real life, and in thinking through topics with nuance. In a scene littered with clickbait, invitations for outrage, and over-discussion of Apple “leaks” and speculation, this is a truly needed breath of fresh air!
How lucky are we that in answering the prompt to “make a channel that appeals to Apple users,” LMG and Mac Address didn’t create a channel based on specs, leaks, news, and the latest Apple controversy wheel. Nor did they go for something that would vaguely appeal to “hipsters in coffee shops,” the status obsessed, fans of lifestyle brands, or those who buy the devices because they look nice. Instead, they took inspiration from what Apple originally was in the first place: computers designed for everyday people to use them. And so Mac Address investigates how people actually use these devices, and the highs and lows of those everyday experiences. The result is a gem among channels!
BLENDER. BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER. How many must be sacrificed to quench the bloodthirst of Craig Federighi. We have hover cursor, practically necessary for 3D creation. We have the chip. Someone is going to say "We need Xcode!" and "We need Logic Pro!" and more likely "We need Final Cut!" but what we really need is BLENDER.
Now we're talking!
YES!
I'm going to say we need XCode to be burned in a dumpster
You know whatll fix that? Macos 🙄
Engineering work on the iPad. Notability for quick sketches, shaper3D for quick modeling, and excel/sheets for data. OneDrive and Google drive work okay enough. The only thing we’re missing is a mobile 3d print slicer.
I would appreciate a boot camp for iPad that loads you into macos instead of windows
So here's my issue with the iPad. I bought an M1 iPad Pro thinking I could move my workflow entirely to the iPad and it's been so frustrating finding that the iPad version of many apps, specially adobe apps are missing so many freaking features.
For example, Photoshop. It states that Smart Object support has been fully added, but it wouldn't let you edit the contents of an smart object making it freaking useless. So if I need to edit an smart object I need to go to Affinity Photo first, edit it and go back to Photoshop, only to find out my layers have been flattened. Also Photoshop is missing most layer effects and it's infuriating, that's been in Photoshop since I can remember!
Rant aside, the iPad would benefit so much if it had a full version of Finder cause dealing with files is a pain. Wish Stage Manager would look more like Mac, allowing you to place windows however you like and that way we could have the Mac experience and the iPadOS experiece separated instead of one taking over the other. I don't know feel like having more ways to interact with be your apps would be better for the consumer.
My biggest issue with macOS is that not even apple themselves seem to support it as a laptop replacement OS. I'm not normally an apple user but i am an app developer for my job. And i am interested in developing apps directly for iOS if only the iPad supported proper development tools like apples own xcode (I'd also want visual studio but I'd only see that happening if apple first made xcode for it themselves). If i could just do the entire app development on one single device that would be great. Instead of having to buy both a Mac and an iPhone. Also they really need to improve file management, i mean i think it's horrendous on macOS already but so much worse still on ipadOS.
Vm app that runs macOS
I would love to see an ipad supported version of VS code and Xcode. It's perfectly capable and with multitasking it could allow for the app to run while changes are being made during development to see live changes.
VS code for ipad is currently in the works its called VScode server, I had one of the betas and it was pretty good.
th-cam.com/video/q2viJSYyKio/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=VisualStudioCode - here's the offical video for it.
Why not put both Operating systems in Ipad and switch on demand. Use it as an internet surfing device if you wish on IOS and when you want serious work to be done switch to MAC OS . Multiboot is not an unreasonable solution. Only reason behind MAC OS not in an Ipad that it is not touch friendly. ANd Apple doesnt wanna invest on it to be touch friendly that's why you do not have macbook airs which are touch screen... If WINDOWS is able to convert the modes on demand on Windows 11 why not Apple ? They just dont wanna loose a big profiting market which they have invested on...
I think you need to differentiate between OS and interface. I think Mac OS should be the base for all devices running m grade apple silicon. When working from iPad you should be using the iPad interface, but on an external display you could be able to use a MacOS interface, and the apps should be fully interchangeable with the obvious "designed for" issues. The goal being flexibility. If you play with a windows 2in1 you can see something similar when you switch from laptop to tablet mode. This would just be more extreme, and apple could easily claim the high ground.
I think they should just give the user the option to either have iPadOS or macOS. You chose which OS it runs, maybe even dual boot it? They could even call it BootCamp for iPad.
Then there would be 0 incentive to improve iPadOS, and no software devs who make interesting desktop class apps (like Resolve) would be interested in putting any time into iPadOS an figuring out the work needed to rebuild your entier UI for touch (this is what takes time). And that time is not time coding but time at a whiteboard or on paper working out what a good UX for touch is when you have 20+ years of indirect mouse input expirance in your app.
@@hishnash it shouldn’t be iPad or MacOS. It should be both. Combined would be like MacOS apps have more room to add features without making and managing a WHOLE NEW app. Just add to the apps they made already. Easier to add than start from scratch when computers are so similar. iPad literally just adds a touch screen and portability. How much more “innovation” is there going to be that justifies MacOS can’t be added to iPad when you can just combine them.
@@ericwheelhouse4371
The answer is philosophy. macOS is very open. For example, you can install third-party OSes on Macs without jailbreaking. On iPad, well, good luck! ✌🏻
That's why I'm opposed to putting iPadOS on Macs. Apple needs to change its philosophy first. Or they can fuck off!!!
@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np …that’s not what I was recommending. iPad needs MacOS with a UI change for iPad when you want the Tablet interface. That’s nothing to do with iPadOS
@@ericwheelhouse4371
That's exactly what I say. What if Apple introduces a lockdown macOS version for iPad? Will it eventually introduce back to Mac? Have you ever heard of "S Mode" on Windows? You are opening a Pandora's box, don't you know?
Until Apple aligns the philosophy of iPadOS with macOS and iPad with Mac, leave macOS alone!!!
I'm an M1 iPad Pro user and I use it for video editing in Luma Fusion. The only big issue I have with iPad OS is lack of options and granularity for backups. It only supports backing up to iCloud, and does not support excluding certain folders from the backup. I can either back up all my huge transient video editing files to an expensive iCloud storage Subscription, or I can't backup ANY files. The fact that the files app backup is all or nothing, and the fact there is no "time machine" to back up to local storage, is a major pain.
Stop doing propaganda for Apple
Nobody wants an iPad with macOS, we need a TOUCHSCREEN MAC!!!
It would be sexy if apple allowed mac programs to just run on an ipad a lot of things would be possible on the go
If they could make something similar to dex mode, call it Cook mode, you get a choice of a desktop environment whenever you need it
I think the next app that should come to the iPad is blender, you won't be able to do as much on an iPad as you can on a desktop, but if you're out for travel and you don't want to carry your 24" cintiq pro and your whole set-up, an iPad will be sufficient to do modeling and a bit of texturing
programs shouldn't neet to get made for another os. there are two fine phone operating systems and two fine mainstream productivity operating systems. should be enought
I’ve produced hours of videos on iPad using LumaFusion, including one 35 min film. Unless you’re doing complicated things it’s actually simpler and easier in LumaFusion. Resolve shoes great promise but the UI needs more optimisation for a touch/pen based input.
I think when people say ‘just put MacOS on iPad’ they’re really saying ‘make Files work like the Finder’ and ‘give me more flexibility with windowing’.
The real wonder about DaVnci Resolve on iPad is how much BlackMagic Design has done with all the restrictions Apple places through this approach. I had my 11 inch Ipad Pro M1 connected via a USB C hub to a FocusRite Scarlett 212, a hard drive, and an external monitor. Took me about half a day to get used to using the pencil as my primary tool for editing but by that point I was actually enjoying the process. I cut a video, corrected sound and even managed color grades with that set up, inside 4 hours?
I will say Johnathan's needs are slightly more complicated than most: For quick edits and shiz, basic assemblies, I can see this working well for editors like me, especially when mostly working with 1080 and 4k content, in MOV and MPEG formats. In those cases, it's close to miraculous.
Mac Address! yall killed it on video yet again, videography, writing, audio, entertaining scripts/moments, I honestly feel like you guys as a channel don't get the exposure you guys deserve and as a fan I feel like you guys would kill it if there was more content on other cool stuff in addition to all the mac stuff and I feel like other people / other audiences would love it too
macos wouldn't fit that well on an ipad, however ipad os needs to be a LOT better
Keyboard cases exist
@@jomsies ipad is a tablet , not a laptop.Their usecase is focused around touchscreen experience
I think its more iPad OS needs more deeper user control and needs to allow for software outside of the app store.
The iPad needs MacOS.
That's quite the hot take, but I respect the reasoning and actually agree with quite a bit of it. Well done, I didn't think I would be convinced to think twice about Mac OS being on the iPad
This is the best LMG channel for sure
I’ve always said it needs a dock mode that gives it a full desktop UI that might as well be MacOS. This way, on the go you can use it as an iPad, then when you dock it at home or even just use the keyboard folio you can go into this desktop mode and use it as a laptop
Wouldn't that kill macbooks tho at least The Air?
Once the EU forces apple to allow sideloading then someone will make an emulator that can get macos on the ipad.
there already is, its called UTM
People still think that not only Apple won't cripple the sideloaded apps, but allow bootloader access? Cute
@@MaxRovensky EXACTLY.
And don’t even get me started on the fact that that is piracy.
and then you can run parallels inside of macOS in iOS on an ipad. I'd love to see how long the battery life would last in that scenario along with how much CPU/RAM and such it would all take up 😂
@@MaxRovensky and then the EU is coming after them.
It’s a common reflex for most people. New software old software -> let’s keep using the old one. The correct flow is to report problems and demand fixes/better features for the new software.
Update, ignore this guy, the iPad definitely needs Mac OS or a version of Mac OS. A iPad that completely bridges the gap of a computer is perfect for a vast majority of people who would happily buy a iPad over a cheap windows computer
To be honest, I think we need support for side-loaded apps and some basic support for x86 apps. I use an iPad as my primary device, but found myself having to reopen my laptop because an art project of mine required some outdated software to program lights. If we just had support for side-loaded apps we could have emulators for other environments. This would make iPads amazing.
iPad should just quick-boot to MacOS when you connect a keyboard and then have shared storage, shared settings, and some Handoff features. Then you'd get a bonus touchscreen and Pencil input when using MacOS. Disconnect the keyboard and it would go right back to being an iPad and save the MacOS state for when you reconnect the keyboard. They would slowly merge the two operating systems over time (like they're already doing) to make them one seamless OS but quick switching between iPadOS and MacOS is the way to go for the time being.
I feel the color grading booth use case only really highlighted that macOS could benefit from a touchscreen. Especially when considering everything else around video editing.
As an iPad mini user, I’m not sure macOS belongs on the iPad. At the very least, it doesn’t belong on the mini. It probably doesn’t belong on the base iPad. I can definitely see the argument, though, of bringing macOS to the M1/M2 iPads. For me, though, I’ve been considering getting an iPad Air with one of the new chips and I think I would prefer iPadOS. But I do agree that it needs a LOT more work to make it a more “professional” grade environment.
macOS would just be uncomfy on a touch screen though - there are a lot of small ui elements, buttons etc. , and forcing desktop-only developers to optimise apps for touch when most of us wouldn't have access to a touchscreen mac would just suck
@@starletscarlet This is a great argument against macOS on the iPad, but it doesn’t negate the usefulness of a touchscreen on a mac computer. I really do think the color grading use case shown here highlights that usefulness. I don’t think anyone would be arguing for a touch only interface on a macbook with a touchscreen.
While there is merit in the apples tablet keeping its own unique identity. There are a lot of ways to enable more/different users without hurting that core identity/use case.
Fair points. However TH-camrs almost inevitably assume video editing is what everyone cares about. Most of us are not tubers, we want things like our business software to run on the iPad so we can travel with it, or not need a MacBook and an iPad both to create art. I agree we don’t need MacOS interface, just software compatibility. Windows had tablet mode and desktop mode that could switch when docked. Would that work?
It drives me crazy that TH-camrs all think that "Pro" has to mean "for video editing". There are MANY professional uses for iPad and 99% of them are NOT editing videos.
lol can you name a few?
basically only graphic design.
you can’t run code on an ipad, you can’t use record audio, record video on an ipad
it’s apple’s chromebook.
Like everyone I KNOW! Even all my work is done though google, our whole organisation is run off google drive. Hate idiots that question a very true statement just for the sake of questioning.
Would honestly recommend trying Mac OS on a Cintiq tablet before assuming it wouldn’t work on an iPad.
I’ve been waiting for years for apple to finally merge Mac OS onto the iPad. I have some hope with the new 14” pro model but I’m not going to hold my breath. For complex tasks, you need good tools and the iPad just doesn’t have it yet. The software sucks, especially for creatives (notable exception being procreate) because they keep neutering the desktop version of creative software. It means I have to use both a Mac and an iPad at the same time to do really deep work and that is annoying.
My advice for people begging for this, who work primarily at one work station, get a Cintiq and connect it to your mac. Now apple can continue these stupid games and I’m not nearly as mad about it.
logic pro. Although I really would love an iPad version of Ableton.
what is realy needed here is the macOS audio stack, or some other proper plugger able audio stack maybe something like JACK audio from linux.
@@hishnash the audio stack is still there, it's literally just Core Audio on both macOS and i(Pad)OS.
I was a iPad can do everything I need person for years. Finally got back into editing videos, photos. Also wanted to play better games on the go and even start coding some. I ended up more time Remote Desktop to my home pc to do things I wanted to do. Finally broke down and bought my first Mac ever. Love the Mac book and made realize yes. The iPad does need more Mac OS then iOS
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It's simply not made for macos (or rather macos for it) just the way steve jobs described how touchscreen on a macbook would be stupid. Because besides entertainment, the iPad is the handheld thing for touching drawing etc while the mac is the device that has mouse input as standart and is supposed to be a device where you dnt interact with the screen - this may seem unimportant to some but it there's obviously a reason for the sizes and ways of ipadOS - it's made for touching it without further effort and so using macos on the iPad or merging ipadOS and macOS more and more is a rather 'unthoughtful' idea. The only solution would be to have both ipadOS and macOS run on the ipad like with boot camp - or only give the option to use macOS-type-UI to developers who develop software that is explicitely made for mouse and keyboard. But obviously some of these, like editing software, can also be changed to a touch ui so it lies with the developer in the end, of course. But I hope Apple does not listen to those who want mac and ipad be the same because while you often can't find too many differences, when you think about it there's a whole lot, not just the explicit but also the 'interaction-philosopical' stuff. That's (part of) what i think about it.
I think if they did it more and more (i haven't even tried that stage? window? manager yet and i'm highly sceptical about how hard it is to use), only then many would realize how it would theoretically become more powerful in a way but at the same time the usability would go down at high speed and would be a pain.
It needs MACOS!!! You know you can hook up the ipad to a tv. and use a mouse. And if the file system wasnt garbage, it would be so much easier to edit. So yeah. Mac os plz.
The main thing an iPad lacks that a Mac has is a proper terminal and IDEs in my opinion. Along with supporting more than one external Monitor (also one of the large reasons I don't use a MacBook). I want/need to navigate through most of my computer using the cli.
I think it would be a better situation to put an optional dual boot macOS on the iPad pro models, such that you can use it as a PC like an upgraded samsung Dex.
This makes a better reason to buy 'Pro' iPads and shelling laptop money on iPads(especially for creative professionals), most ytubers who give the iPadOS argument ignore this option.
My ipad pro (2020) has been used for video editing recently (iphone 12 footage) and it held up admirably! no issues with stutters or skipping, or crashes. it was just a music video rather than long projects with lots of media and inserts, however.
As a current user of an iPad Pro, Microsoft already had the ability to switch between Tablet and Desktop modes which changed the UI years ago. I don't understand why we couldn't have this ability of the iPad to fit the need of the person using it. I would love the ability to either use it as an iPad or Desktop depending on the software I'm using.
My iPad Pro didn’t do much for me but when someone else is using our TV, this is were I’m thankful I have this thing
1) blackmagic is one of the first companies to adapt to ipados, not all companies will
2) companies shouldn't need to develop for one more os. there is a perfectly fine working phone os and a perfectly fine productivity os. either combine the two including all functionality or make an option to switch between them
I love how being a mac lover is being impressed by basic thing that were not available to them before, they act like the hovering is a magic invention but every stylus on windows and android have been doing this since the beginning...
I think when you are connected to a monitor it should run mac applications
I don't know if this necessarily will add to the argument for the iPad to stay as an iPad but here goes. I think the trouble with the iPads, and probably tablets in general is that they try to be too many things at once. The laptop is designed to replace the desktop, smartphones are designed to replace the telephone, so I think the best thing for the iPad is that it needs to find something that only it could do very well, and I think that lies with media consumption. It's great for watching videos and movies on the go, playing some games, and reading books. It already has apple's M processors that are capable enough to run games like resident evil village (albeit not in its most detailed setting), so I think having it as a gaming machine that could also do some light productive work would be stellar. Another thing would be that iPad is a great substitute for a book in general. Anything that you can do on a book can be done on the iPad, like taking notes and drawing (on a professional level even). The pencil makes the digital arts use case for the iPad really a compelling point to consider.
I think the thing is that just because the iPad has computer-level hardware, people expect it to become a computer. When the tablet form factor came out I don't think anyone was expecting it to do any desktop-grade workloads on a portable slab like the iPad, people use it for better consumption of media by simply being a portable larger screen. I think that's the key, being a relatively large screen that you can bring anywhere, and that's why I think it's important that the iPad remains as an i-PAD. It shouldn't lose its main appeal.
Yes, there might be an app on the iPad which fits your use-case, but for many of us that's not the case.
I'm not saying just put MacOS on the iPad and call it a day, but the iPad is clearly powerful enough to have Macbook capabilities and they advertise it as a "pro" tool, but treat it as a multimedia toy. So give it a proper desktop mode, where, when connected to a keyboard and possibly an external monitor, you can utilize the iPad like a proper PC (the stage manager is a step in the right direction, but not enough).
Just as important would be a free app ecosystem. Make it possible to sideload (maybe hide a setting to allow sideloading to "protect" your precious infant...users), make it easy to port apps from Mac to iPad and don't just cherry pick some apps to shut up a part of the userbase.
When I went to university, I used my iPad to take notes, but as soon as I had to write a couple lines of code or edit a project I had to take my four times heavier laptop with me, which has half the power of the iPad, and why? Because Apple thinks we are all infants. (There are workarounds which are okay-ish, but none include having a proper code editor or IDE directly on your iPad as well as a compiler).
It's not like we want the iPad to become a Mac, but we want the option to use it like a Mac, if we choose so. Proper desktop mode and app ecosystem.
8:38 - Oh nah, that thing is a ticking time bomb. Mine died in months. Backup before you lose everything!
Having used Samsung Dex every day since 2019, may I recommend giving the users the option to use iPadOS as a tablet and MacOS as a DTE when docked? It's so obvious to me that this is by far the best solution.
It does need it. Or at least give us a way to access it whenever we want. They could definitely do that. What’s the point of the m2