Great video, people need to start looking more at underdog brands which were overlooked till a couple of years ago. Case in point, Baume et Mercier is one of them. Same level of watchmaking as Omega, for 30-40% less for like with like watch-type, or pre owned can be bought for a bargain.
@@MarkDanger777 I have a pepsi, blue sky-dweller, batman, milgauss, submariner, vs omega worldtimer, several speedmasters, planet oceans, and a few 300 p in multiple colors. I don't think there is really a quality difference. It's more psychological as I've always preferred rolex
Limited/special edition hell. Problem is Omega have chased Rolex in price ro the point that Rolex have been able to undercut them with the reintroduction of the Tudor brand. They've taken a chunk out of Omega's sales and even brought in house the sales that Omega used to get from the Rolex aspirational buyer.
Omega watches are good , technically , durable, good looking, history etc. omegas vision isnt good Yearly Price increases to "force demand" doesn't work . Ranges that dont really make sense , too many " limited edition" with so many per run they aren't really limited at all. I have nt got an onega in my collection but am tempted by a globemaster annual calendar 📆
I own a Seamaster Pro and a Seamaster Aqua Terra (Olive dial). Both keep great time. I get compliments on the Aqua Terra all the time about how nice it is. Contrast that to my Rolex the comments are, "is that a Rolex" and not that it looks great. Go figure. Just my two cents.
Valid points. Pretty much all brands are raising prices, due to lots of factors, like John mentioned. But Omega definitely needs to streamline their collections. They just have way too many models. I’m an Omega fanboy. They’re in my top 3 favorite brands. I want them to do well. 😊
Man, don't parrot other people. Yes! they have a lot of variants but i remember seeing about 250+ something models of AT on omega's website. Now, they have about half of that. In terms of price, everything costs more than it used to 5 years ago. It's called INFLATION. It's not subjected to omega only but every major watch brand.
@@exploretheinternet2334 Other Brands increased prices, yes but not nearly as much as Omega did. The other problem for Omega is Tudor, they price their watches very, very reasonable especially now being Metas certified and with the added hype they get from Rolex fans or customers unable to get one. Not the best environment to be increasing prices. Now one can argue that Tudor does not compete with Omega, quality wise which is true, but the reality is that the targeting audience mostly decides between Omega or Tudor not Rolex or Omega. Don't get me wrong, I love Omega but their practises seem paradox - you cannot expect people to consider your brand as luxury when you do stuff like swatch collaborations to appeal to a wider audience which ultimatetly means accessibility.
Bought a lightly used (18 month old) 41mm Aqua Terra a few months ago private party at a very good discount from retail. I've worn it just about every day since and my other watches are feeling lonely. Well made, looks great, very versatile and makes me happy to look at. I would say I'm happy with the "value for money" but that concept is relative in this hobby.
The brand delivers amazing quality, but if you want one then just wait a bit and buy it on the gray market. I bought a brand new 2 tone Aqua Terra for 45% off retail. You can get pretty much any Omega model for around 30-45% off if you know where to look.
It is wild how high prices are getting. I really want to get that tan aqua terra. 18 months ago was a little over 4 grand. Now it's over 6k. For a time only and date watch. With a fabric strap. Cmmmmmmmmon
I used to love Omega but they fell off. Hair found under the crystal, lume falling out of the bezel and they're marketing is straight embarrassing they're IG account is beyond terrible. Omega isn't the great brand they once were. The brand needs work. Alot of work Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame brand ambassadors. Who don't give 2 shits about Omega
Omega have lost the plot completely - messy inconsistent collections, constant price increases, plastic moonswatches, top line over integrity and poor AD experience
I have 3 Omegas, 2 Rolex's and others in my collection. I didn't understand the comment about rough edges, etc. on Omega. All my Omega's feel better in the hand compared with my Rolex's. And the Rolex's are newer models including a GMT 126710GRNR. My newer Omegas, with the 8900 movement, both keep better time than my Rolex's. Even my older Seamaster with an ETA movement keeps time comparably to my Rolex's. The key with most Omega's is to buy pre-owned. I have a Ploprof I bought at the factory and it's still worth what I paid for it.
@@brownmcpherson5724 Philippe Dufour, Roger W Smith, and Laurent Ferrier all said Rolex is their favorite watch brand and the best money can buy. I'll gladly have the opinion of the best watchmakers in the world.
I disagree with everything that you have written. From my experience it’s the opposite all the Rolex’s that I’ve owned are better built with better finish and much better accuracy. Omega SMP 300 has known borderline sharp bracelet, pusher clasp issues and external AR coating issues. I’ve owned 3x SMP 300’s and 3x Moonwatches all new models and sold ALL of them. They’re just not 💯 always something off with an Omega whether it’s a bracelet or sharp edges on cases or even new Moonwatch bracelet pinching hairs and leaving imprints in your skin and clasp digging into your wrist. Not to mention price devaluation after purchase
Rolex took a page from DeBeers playbook. Create an artificial demand by controlling sale release making Rolex watches seems rarer than they actually are. No thanks, I’m an Omega fan for life. I can go on and on on what Omega pioneered and beat Rolex in innovation, movements, accuracy and most importantly accessibility.
Omega makes the best watches among the mass production manufacturers. Their prices have gone up like all the other manufacturers. Have you seen Seiko's prices recently? They are releasing a new MM300 without ceramic and without on the fly micro adjust clasp for $3000 US.
I have 11 so far, ranging in date from the 1930's to 2022. I love them and like you I never pay retail. Also Longines is making some killer watches, I have a few of those and plan on getting a couple more.
And then many aren't Omega fans, but Rolex haters. There's always that jealousy they bring with them. I've owned both, I wouldn't buy new from either brand today but where a Rolex douche will if ore you an omega fanboy will actively aim to piss on your choice of watch. And there is a difference between omega fanboys and enthusiasts, one is genuine, one is jealous.
I have over 10 Omegas. Vintage ones from the 1960s, and a couple of neo vintages ones (sword hands divers, first AT). All bought preowned obviously. I would never buy Omega new. I like the AT small seconds blue on rubber, and it is on my wish list, but again preowned will be the way. I bought my AT first iteration blue 39 mm auto for less than 2K preowned. Look at retail prices today, it's just unreasonable.
If people didnt get the memo inflation is killing the consumer and we cant eat watches. Watches are not a necessity and they are about to feel the pain. A lot of brands will go bankrupt
i have the OMEGA SM300 pro sedna gold metal case blk ceramic dial i use everyday and the OMEGA planet ocean all gold 43.5mm blue ceramic dial gold clasp wen i go out to special events. my rich friend has 10 watches in his collection but in the middle of the box he has the OMEGA tourbillon platinum blue ceramic dial with diamonds everywere that was $715,000 limited next to his Jacob&Co. my wife has the red dial with sedna gold globemaster tells the months, but were very happy with omega.
Sad to say this but Omega has been testing the water for too long. What i mean by that is, it keeps releasing different products to the market to see consumer's feedback rather than using data and R&D to release what the consumers really want. If you disagree with this comment, I think you really don't understand how many watches/variations Omega has released in the past 10 years.
The biggest problem with the luxury perception in Omega is that they inundate their catalog with so many variations of the same model. Rolex doesn’t do that at least with their sports models.
And people complain Rolex is boring when they only release new dial colors every year. It’s done on purpose to keep the look of a Rolex immediately recognizable
There nothing luxury of both brand, both r mess products, Rolex produce 1.3m watch a year n omega about 600-800k watch a year, they r at best lowest entry level to luxury..
But what difference does that make if you only want say a Seamaster? Go into an AD or Boutique and buy the one that you like, who cares how many other variations there are. Doesnt matter to you if you are only buying one.
@@kokhui32liau88luxury is something you don't need and buy it for thousands of dollars. Would you say LV bags aren't luxury items? You don't need an ap or a patek to be luxury...
Great video, I had Rolexes and omegas and they all have sharp edges , but omega bang for buck is brilliant and nearly no waiting list and you don’t need to get on the ladder to order a watch ,thanks ❤️👍🏴
Two Ultra Deeps, Seamaster Chrono diver, Seamaster 300m summer blue and 3861 sapphire sandwich moon watch. Yeah, I like that I can have these five watches for the price of one or two Rolexes if you “allowed”to buy them.
Discussing the "bang for buck" aspect of watches can be quite complex. Only a portion of a watch's value is intrinsic, with a significant amount tied to non-intrinsic factors like brand perception, which often accounts for a large part of its appeal. Looking ahead, I believe Omega has a unique opportunity to differentiate itself by continuing to push the boundaries of horology. Many luxury watch brands focus on refining traditional mechanical movements, but Omega has a history of innovation and high accuracy quartz movements with models like the Spacemaster, Skywalker X-33, and the Seamaster 300M Quartz. Omega could position itself as a leader by excelling in both traditional mechanical watches and high-accuracy quartz movements, potentially competing with brands like Grand Seiko and Citizen in the realm of precision timekeeping. By mastering both, Omega can maintain its heritage while also standing out in the industry, becoming the sole Swiss watchmaker to truly master both and place equal emphasis in both.
So, an Omega with an eg £6k MSRP; £1k is VAT. Of the remaining £5k, £2k is AD margin. Of the remaining £3k, around £2k pays for marketing (ambassadors eg Nicole Kidman, sponsorship eg Olympics, sailing, golf, etc., collaborations eg James Bond franchise, above-the-line and below-the-line advertising, promotions, websites, gin-palace boutiques, etc), of the remaining £1k probably half goes on fixed costs eg head office, regional and local offices, sales force, contribution to Swatch Group overheads, etc. Which leaves perhaps £500 for making the actual watch, box, papers, etc. Now these figures are approximate, but yeah you’re paying for far, far more than the actual cost of the watch.
“Why would someone be looking at the specs and say “I’m going to buy the watch that has the best specs”, NO! There’s a lot of design, alot of feeling, there’s kinda brand associations…”. So, you buy an inferior product as you describe; eg nice to hold but the Omega’s bracelet pull you arm hair out, or the blingy 38mm Aquaterra poor bracelet construction, because…??? 🤔 “In terms of price retention Omega out-performs most brands”? 🤔. Really? 40-60% loss you say?! And the problem with your Oris comparison is that a comparable Oris costs a third of the Omega price to start with, so in £ terms you will always lose more on a new £6k Omega than a new £2k Oris (that you’re also more likely to get a discount on). So, it only makes sense to buy an Omega secondhand? 🤔
Omega's problem is that much of their design language doesn't hold up over time. Take, for example, the Seamaster with the helium escape valve. It's a design that hasn't aged well; it looks old in a bad way. It's also huge, and the bracelet is tacky, and so on. The Aqua Terra and Speedmaster are the only watches that have good designs, in my opinion. Their movements are great, though.
@JohnPWatches Why does no one talk about Carl F Bucherer? I think they own or are associated with Rolex. But no one talks about them or rates them. Can you enlighten us with a little history and ranking of Carl F. Bucherer watches compared to other tiers? Thanx.
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra a couple of years ago from an official retailer, the one with vertical lines, and they gave me a 30% discount. If I had bought it second hand I would have paid more.
Great video John! I have actually gravitated towards Omega rather than Rolex in the last few years. Tudor in fact are more appealing to me than Rolex. In my collection, the balance between Omega and Rolex/Tudor are equal but I can see myself getting more of Omega timepieces in future.
I own Omegas and Rolexes, and I find that Omega movements are superior to Rolex. Omega produces high horology pieces, including complex mechanisms like the tourbillon. They focus on innovation and quality rather than playing the heavy marketing game that Rolex does. Also, a true watch collector is not concerned with price retention, only flippers and wanna be collectors worry about that.
@@johyscorner All Omega does is milk the Speedmaster and Seamaster. The Submariner hasn't even hit 50 versions yet. I bought an Omega Seamaster in 2015. It had terrible bezel action. Wore it once in water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count. It's been running +1 a day since bought new in 2003 its over 20 years old. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. It's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Maybe if they sold a shit product the marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't. They sell a great watch
@@johyscorner Bought an Omega Seamaster back in 2015. Wore it once in the water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count and has been running +1 a day since new in 2003 and it's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Like Rolex got where they are over night. Maybe if Rolex sold a terrible product. The marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I’ve taken my seamaster 300 professional diving several times and never had an issue. Maybe you got a defective one or didn’t buy it brand new. In that case that could happen to any watch. Omegas are far superior than Rolexes in terms of movements and innovation. Rolex hasn’t innovated in a long time and the most complex movement they have right now is the Sky Dweller. Every year they come up with the same watches different colors, it’s embarrassing. I’m not hating, I love my sub but I am not blind, sorry.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133When you handle an Omega and a Rolex, it's really obvious that the Omega is better quality. Plus, their movements are so much superior.
I don't have an issue paying retail for an Omega AT especially if I am going to wear it every day.... the more you wear it the more bang-for-your-buck. I wouldn't buy a Rolex because of its resale value.....I'd buy it because it satisfies my wants and needs.
I own a 38mm AT and a 36 mm explorer. The quality on the omega is better (other than the bracelet). I usually wear the AT on a rubber strap. That being said, the current retail price for an AT seems a few thousand dollars too high.
The hands and dials on the explorer are made out of 18k white gold, pretty sure the same can't be said of the AT. You can argue the movement is better but overall the explorer is a level above the AT.
@@Weakeyedominant no it's not. Keep lying to yourself. The indices in AT are rhodium plated, which is by the way, more expensive than white gold. Average rolex fanboy lmao
@@avenuefive8593 I'll help explain. Rhodium is a derivative of platinum. SUPER expensive (if you bought a block of it or a liquid version) but it's a mere plating (microns thick, usually .05 MICRONS!) So that's kind of the same of plating on costume jewelry, but it adheres much better to gold, but a plating which can wear off or oxidize off over years. By the way all white gold gets plated with rhodium as well, BUT we are talking about the weight of the product. So since the Rolex hands / indices are white gold, that means it's solid gold (white gold, which is yellow with alloy) and then plate, that is MUCH MUCH more expensive since you have actual gold (probably a few grams). The plating on steel or whatever metal they use on the Omega, is as I said, just a plating and has 0 value (intrinsic metal value) it just makes it shine nice and has some anti oxidizing properties.
@@exploretheinternet2334 plating uses a fraction of the precious metal, you would be the first person in history to choose plating over solid 18k gold 🤣
Hello John, thanks for making this interesting video, I use to have Omegas, Breitling, Seiko and now I own a Longines Zulu time, don't get me wrong but Longines has taken the place of Omega back in the 2020 when Omega was still reachable, because of the value they offer and the finishing of their timepieces. If you ask me If I will like to own a Seamaster Aquaterra again and my answer is yes I will love to, but not at this current pricing. Anyway thanks again for making this video.
Great watches, no doubt. The only issue for me is that they are a bit generic, as are Rolexes but the difference is that only Rolex keeps value. Buying Omega has to be second hand - and in the same “value losing” category I’m personally more into Grand Seiko, which are at the same price point, less generic, even better finished and comparable movements. Just my taste, again Omega are watches you can keep for life.
So glad to see the AT offered in a mechanical/automatic movement in "lady" size 34mm cases....with all the great features of the larger cases. Omega doing great things and their "Summer Blue" edition was amazing.
Í have owned four Seamaster, all bought when a new Seamaster could be had for under $3k. After enjoying them for a couple years, I was able to resell them for the same amount I bought them for. Not sure if I can still do that now.
The population of Switzerland is about nine million, if every single person was an expert watchmaker and did nothing else they couldn’t make all of the swiss made high end watches that they sell.
Omega is a consistent and quality products with timeless designs that carry nice incremental changes year to year. Their movements are above average in performance and finish. Their world timer complication is a steal at the used market prices. They are not worth retail when AD's will give 15% off w/warranty. Gray Market 15%-30% off w/no warranty and limited selections. Used market is 20%-40% off depending on condition and model w/warranty. If one is patience, there are many deals on Omegas. JM2C
Why do GMT models from a number of brands seem to command a premium? Unless one is travelling internationally on a regular basis, the extra hand is just clutter. Even if one is a regular traveller, it's hardly difficult to add or subtract the appropriate hours or (heaven forbid) to actually adjust the main hour hand rather than the secondary one!
I think more “non-enthusiasts” know about omega than they do AP. I certainly knew about omega since childhood, even if it was only because of James Bond.
I have bought two Omegas in past 12 months, both from Ad, both with 15-20% discount. Both are stunning watches. Honestly, I struggle to see the difference in quality between my Omega and my Rolex.
I have yet to buy an Omega, mainly cause they are bulkier on the wrist. I've gotten addicted to the slim look of the Rolex case on wrist. Would love an Omega that has a similar case profile of a 36mm Oyster Perpetual. I've tried the 38mm Aqua Terra and found it too chonky for my taste.
I bought the "Goldeneye" SMP for under a £1000 in 2006. A year later, the Casino Royale Special edition Planet Ocean with a big discount on its £2200 retail. Still have them both, still in excellent condition. The rubber straps on the Planet are not great and expensive to replace but I love the watch. I like the AT but I can't stomach spending over £6k on a watch.
The Swiss luxury watch sector gauged the market, largely Millennials, over 20 years ago and they appear to have been highly successful. Richard Mille came about this same time. The transition from tool to jewelry up the pricing 4-5X. It was probably blind luck, my non-rich modest cost reasoning as a decades long watch enthusiast and the steep discounts at the time, I bought all my Swiss branded watches around the year 2000 and earlier. Unlike many consumers today, I've lived thru and owned various changes in watches. Mechanical, electric (balance powered by a battery), tuning fork (never actually owned this headache of a design) and quartz. I was and still am happy to have departed largely away from mechanical. The market for the past many years appears to be focused on mechanical while quartz, quality quartz, has largely disappeared. 20 years or so ago a quality quartz Seiko having about 5 jewels or Swiss branded watch having an ETA 7 jewel movement was the norm. Today they are largely zero (0) jewel and can cost well into the thousands of $$$. Quality can still be had but the pricing is on the moon for something like a Seiko using a 9F quartz movement.
I own many Omegas, they are superb watches, but I only buy used. When I say that, I mean nearly new 12-18 months old max. I think there is just not much to be gained from buying retail when you can buy a year old for a 40-50% discount - but the build quality is amazing. The only Omega I would buy retail is if they did a re-make of the 165.024, I'd buy that in an instant.
I bought my 2022 Speedmaster hesi last Fall for $3,500 before tax. It had never been worn, box and papers. If you find a second-hand dealer you trust, I would rarely suggest anyone purchase a Swiss watch new. (granted, if you can get a Sub or a GMT Master II for retail, jump on that ASAP lol)
Problems of Omega: - too expensive for what it offers, cant compete in value/cost category any more (imo Tudor wins here), and its hard to compete against Rolex or Cartier that cost similarly - catalog is a mess (too many models, you can get a headache) - too thick watches, and meh bracelets.
No, they're not. I tried an Omega Aqua Terra Shade in Europe, the price was about 7000 Euros. It should cost about 2k maximum. I was wearing a quartz Tissot PRX when I was trying the Omega on and the difference in quality was not even close to being in line with the difference in price...
@@zsb707. Yes. I also compared the PRX to the new Longines Conquests that costs over 2000 Euros. My conclusion is that the Longines is about 75% of the Aqua Terra and the PRX is about 60%....
Omega isn't the great brand they once were. Alot don't want to admit that but that's 💯 the fact of the matter. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega
Omega has far too many models of the same watch that are not differentiated. And the introduction of the Swatch / Omega plastic "Speedmaster" has really watered down the brand.
Some years ago I bought a beautiful preowned PO GMT black ceramic for $7K. That watch has a MSRP of $11.7K. In the grey market costs around $8.5K. I eventually sold mine, and I was able to get only $5K. Great watches, but a little bit overpriced
It really isn't about Omega, or any other brand for that matter, becoming more expensive, it's really about the fact that the US dollar is weaker. It will continue to decline in purchasing power. In 1963, one could buy a Mercedes Benz for 5,000 ounces of silver. Today, one can buy a Mercedes Benz for 5,000 ounces of silver.
I have two vintage Omega: a Constellation and a Geneve. Perhaps I will buy a Speedy, perhaps. It's a nice watch but it's not very exciting. The rest I don't care about. I don't like the Seamaster. I much prefer other divers. For me Omega was never an Exciting brand. I must prefer Rolex, Tudor, Glashütte, Blaincpain, Oris and Seiko. I even added recently to my collection a fantastic Titoni diver. I think Omega has too many variations so they are unfocused to produce a real stunner. Yet I think they produce very good movements. But that doesn't sell watches per se. You can look at those terrible Hublots. I mean they are ultra expensive watches, they look like a Lamborghing having a KIA motor inside. But they sell like crazy because they are hyped and appeal to every and each nouveau-riche. I think to Omega it lacks hype. They should think about it. Best regards
I currently own an Aqua Terra and I have owned a few Seamaster models. They were all great watches, but modern Omega watches cost too much. I would love a Sedna Gold Tresor, but not for $30,000. I think Omega still has value on the grey market, but I could never pay retail.
bought a used Longines moonphase as brandnew orinigal box and papers , half the price of a new one, I bought the watch to wear and not for profit, love Omega but they are still pumping the moonmwatch.
People that buy luxury watches want to enjoy them. If i have the money to spend, I am going new. Same applies to cars and everything else. This talk about loss of value comes from "enthusiasts" on youtube that are not real enthusiasts, they are ALL gray market retailers trying to make a buck and saying "never buy new" to help their businesses. Sad
Absolutely they are 100% the best bang for your buck. I would buy an Omega Seamaster AT over a Rolex DJ anytime even at the same price and date of production!
Sure, if you are wealthy, or if you have your heart set on a particular watch. But they're over priced - I can't justify that action. Side note: I owned 2, and sold them.
Their designs are only suitable for men in particular someone who like F1. Their women’s collection are… 😂 No sense of elegance. They should try and look at Cartier / Vacheron to understand what real aesthetics mean
Who cares really. You just like a certain watch or not. TH-cam is full packed with these totally useless speculations trying to make simple things complicated.
I’m disappointed with omega , I bought it new and the clasp stuck and I couldn’t get it out of my hand , and the warranty only cover movement issues, so I pay 350€ for new clasp
At least Omega have great quality, innovation and good looks. Rolex on the other hand are boring, everyone has one and you have to grovel before their dealers to even get on a list or buy crap you don't want before getting what you do.
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I have bought 4 Omegas new the last 3 years or so. I really enjoy the brand and think they are rock solid watches.
Agreed 100%
I would love to buy and Omega. Do you think the De Ville Prestige is tough enough to wear daily in the office?
True True and True
nice! which ones?
@@killingtime8612yes I have one and get it on a bracelet
Great video, people need to start looking more at underdog brands which were overlooked till a couple of years ago. Case in point, Baume et Mercier is one of them. Same level of watchmaking as Omega, for 30-40% less for like with like watch-type, or pre owned can be bought for a bargain.
I own 8 omegas and 5 rolexes. Omega makes excellent watches; however, I find myself wearing rolex.
What's the reason behind that? Rolex are more durable? Nicer? Brand recognition?
@@MarkDanger777 I have a pepsi, blue sky-dweller, batman, milgauss, submariner, vs omega worldtimer, several speedmasters, planet oceans, and a few 300 p in multiple colors. I don't think there is really a quality difference. It's more psychological as I've always preferred rolex
Limited/special edition hell. Problem is Omega have chased Rolex in price ro the point that Rolex have been able to undercut them with the reintroduction of the Tudor brand. They've taken a chunk out of Omega's sales and even brought in house the sales that Omega used to get from the Rolex aspirational buyer.
Lovely watches but they drove the prices way too high in last 5 years.
Omega watches are good , technically , durable, good looking, history etc. omegas vision isnt good Yearly Price increases to "force demand" doesn't work . Ranges that dont really make sense , too many " limited edition" with so many per run they aren't really limited at all. I have nt got an onega in my collection but am tempted by a globemaster annual calendar 📆
Too many posers worship Rolex. Ignorance makes this possible. Omega is as good or BETTER than Rolex.
I own a Seamaster Pro and a Seamaster Aqua Terra (Olive dial). Both keep great time. I get compliments on the Aqua Terra all the time about how nice it is. Contrast that to my Rolex the comments are, "is that a Rolex" and not that it looks great. Go figure. Just my two cents.
Another comment where someone can only mention Omega by bringing up Rolex lol.
And everyone thinks your Rolex is fake 😂
The problem is they are driving prices too high and have way too many variations of each watch. The whole collection is a mess.
Valid points. Pretty much all brands are raising prices, due to lots of factors, like John mentioned. But Omega definitely needs to streamline their collections. They just have way too many models. I’m an Omega fanboy. They’re in my top 3 favorite brands. I want them to do well. 😊
Man, don't parrot other people.
Yes! they have a lot of variants but i remember seeing about 250+ something models of AT on omega's website. Now, they have about half of that.
In terms of price, everything costs more than it used to 5 years ago. It's called INFLATION. It's not subjected to omega only but every major watch brand.
The way I look at Omega is a value priced high quality pre owned watches. I never buy new!
@@exploretheinternet2334 Other Brands increased prices, yes but not nearly as much as Omega did.
The other problem for Omega is Tudor, they price their watches very, very reasonable especially now being Metas certified and with the added hype they get from Rolex fans or customers unable to get one.
Not the best environment to be increasing prices. Now one can argue that Tudor does not compete with Omega, quality wise which is true, but the reality is that the targeting audience mostly decides between Omega or Tudor not Rolex or Omega.
Don't get me wrong, I love Omega but their practises seem paradox - you cannot expect people to consider your brand as luxury when you do stuff like swatch collaborations to appeal to a wider audience which ultimatetly means accessibility.
Doesnt matter really.
If you only want one or two watches who cares what the rest of the collection looks like.
Price you can go used.
Great video, as per usual. Don't have any Omegas in my collection just yet, but really like what they're doing as a whole.
Bought a lightly used (18 month old) 41mm Aqua Terra a few months ago private party at a very good discount from retail. I've worn it just about every day since and my other watches are feeling lonely. Well made, looks great, very versatile and makes me happy to look at. I would say I'm happy with the "value for money" but that concept is relative in this hobby.
My good friend has one and it's his go to short sleeve shirt watch. Looks great with Peter Millar polos. Every time I see it I want one.
Best watch you can get second hand fullstop
I have one as well, but with the “teak” dial, and it is a great watch.
The brand delivers amazing quality, but if you want one then just wait a bit and buy it on the gray market. I bought a brand new 2 tone Aqua Terra for 45% off retail. You can get pretty much any Omega model for around 30-45% off if you know where to look.
Never purchase an Omega today at retail. There's too many deals available on them in the grey market
Good points.
What is the Grey market
@@jaimeim18 Dealers that sell the watch new and original with a high discount over retail. However, you will not get the international warranty.
To your point, the only way to buy them!
Rollers are to douchey I'd take an Omega any day
Yes, they are still cheaper and superior to more expensive brands like IWC, Rolex and Zenith
It is wild how high prices are getting. I really want to get that tan aqua terra. 18 months ago was a little over 4 grand. Now it's over 6k. For a time only and date watch. With a fabric strap. Cmmmmmmmmon
Buy it now before price continues to go up😊 TREAT YOURSELF 😂😂😂😂😊😊😊
This is the area that Tudor has eaten into.
I will only buy second hand Omega
Only second hand any Swiss above $2k for me.
Makes perfect sense. Same with other manufacturers.
I will also not pay over msrp on the grey market.
Absolutely the same for me.
Has JP been hitting the gym?
My dude is looking CRANKED!
Yeah, dude's looking pretty cut.
I used to love Omega but they fell off. Hair found under the crystal, lume falling out of the bezel and they're marketing is straight embarrassing they're IG account is beyond terrible. Omega isn't the great brand they once were. The brand needs work. Alot of work Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame brand ambassadors. Who don't give 2 shits about Omega
100% agree
Omega have lost the plot completely - messy inconsistent collections, constant price increases, plastic moonswatches, top line over integrity and poor AD experience
I have 3 Omegas, 2 Rolex's and others in my collection. I didn't understand the comment about rough edges, etc. on Omega. All my Omega's feel better in the hand compared with my Rolex's.
And the Rolex's are newer models including a GMT 126710GRNR. My newer Omegas, with the 8900 movement, both keep better time than my Rolex's. Even my older Seamaster with an ETA movement keeps time comparably to my Rolex's. The key with most Omega's is to buy pre-owned. I have a Ploprof I bought at the factory and it's still worth what I paid for it.
@Watch_for_me Good point. New comparison. My Omega's case finishing feels as good as my Vacheron Constantin Overseas.
@@brownmcpherson5724 Philippe Dufour, Roger W Smith, and Laurent Ferrier all said Rolex is their favorite watch brand and the best money can buy. I'll gladly have the opinion of the best watchmakers in the world.
Do you mean Rolexes?
I disagree with everything that you have written. From my experience it’s the opposite all the Rolex’s that I’ve owned are better built with better finish and much better accuracy. Omega SMP 300 has known borderline sharp bracelet, pusher clasp issues and external AR coating issues. I’ve owned 3x SMP 300’s and 3x Moonwatches all new models and sold ALL of them. They’re just not 💯 always something off with an Omega whether it’s a bracelet or sharp edges on cases or even new Moonwatch bracelet pinching hairs and leaving imprints in your skin and clasp digging into your wrist. Not to mention price devaluation after purchase
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Rolex took a page from DeBeers playbook. Create an artificial demand by controlling sale release making Rolex watches seems rarer than they actually are.
No thanks, I’m an Omega fan for life. I can go on and on on what Omega pioneered and beat Rolex in innovation, movements, accuracy and most importantly accessibility.
Omega makes the best watches among the mass production manufacturers. Their prices have gone up like all the other manufacturers. Have you seen Seiko's prices recently? They are releasing a new MM300 without ceramic and without on the fly micro adjust clasp for $3000 US.
I have 11 so far, ranging in date from the 1930's to 2022. I love them and like you I never pay retail. Also Longines is making some killer watches, I have a few of those and plan on getting a couple more.
I have Longines from 1957 and it still runs at +2secs/day
Ich finde Longines geht ein guter Weg was Design angeht
A lot of people try and buy a Rolex,get treated awfully by an AD then buy an omega.
And then many aren't Omega fans, but Rolex haters. There's always that jealousy they bring with them.
I've owned both, I wouldn't buy new from either brand today but where a Rolex douche will if ore you an omega fanboy will actively aim to piss on your choice of watch.
And there is a difference between omega fanboys and enthusiasts, one is genuine, one is jealous.
I have over 10 Omegas. Vintage ones from the 1960s, and a couple of neo vintages ones (sword hands divers, first AT). All bought preowned obviously. I would never buy Omega new. I like the AT small seconds blue on rubber, and it is on my wish list, but again preowned will be the way. I bought my AT first iteration blue 39 mm auto for less than 2K preowned. Look at retail prices today, it's just unreasonable.
Recently purchased a discontinued denim dial Railmaster at an unreal price. Couldnt be happier.
Nice
IMO, the more production of something like "MoonSwatch", the less value of "Omega".
The handsome devil is back! Thanks for another entertaining yet informative video! John P is the man!
Thanks!
Not everyone buys a watch to invest in! Personally I’d rather have a watch I like and not worry about the future value!
I love omega, when you have them on hand you can tell the quality right away and I buy them second hand always
Omega never put just stock ETA. They were always highly modified.
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra Golf edition on the used market at a great price and the quality is definitely on par with my Rollie.
If people didnt get the memo inflation is killing the consumer and we cant eat watches. Watches are not a necessity and they are about to feel the pain. A lot of brands will go bankrupt
I have owned pretty much everything, Sub, Daytona, Royal Oak, Nautilus and my favorite of all is my new ‘57 Speedy black dial. It’s just perfect
As long as prices remain below Rolex and you can find them at the store they remain a great alternative. And at pre-owned they are a great deal.
i have the OMEGA SM300 pro sedna gold metal case blk ceramic dial i use everyday and the OMEGA planet ocean all gold 43.5mm blue ceramic dial gold clasp wen i go out to special events. my rich friend has 10 watches in his collection but in the middle of the box he has the OMEGA tourbillon platinum blue ceramic dial with diamonds everywere that was $715,000 limited next to his Jacob&Co. my wife has the red dial with sedna gold globemaster tells the months, but were very happy with omega.
All I see is smart watches everywhere. Luxury watch people are a small community.
The brand is so gimmicky and has too many references and variations. The plastic collabs and paid media personalities only cheapens the brand.
I agree 👍 💯 I do love alot of vintage Omega but modern Omega? Just NO!
Sad to say this but Omega has been testing the water for too long. What i mean by that is, it keeps releasing different products to the market to see consumer's feedback rather than using data and R&D to release what the consumers really want. If you disagree with this comment, I think you really don't understand how many watches/variations Omega has released in the past 10 years.
This is the reason why Tudor blew up. They stole a march on the Rolex aspirational market after that.
The biggest problem with the luxury perception in Omega is that they inundate their catalog with so many variations of the same model. Rolex doesn’t do that at least with their sports models.
Good point
And people complain Rolex is boring when they only release new dial colors every year. It’s done on purpose to keep the look of a Rolex immediately recognizable
There nothing luxury of both brand, both r mess products, Rolex produce 1.3m watch a year n omega about 600-800k watch a year, they r at best lowest entry level to luxury..
But what difference does that make if you only want say a Seamaster? Go into an AD or Boutique and buy the one that you like, who cares how many other variations there are. Doesnt matter to you if you are only buying one.
@@kokhui32liau88luxury is something you don't need and buy it for thousands of dollars. Would you say LV bags aren't luxury items? You don't need an ap or a patek to be luxury...
Great video, I had Rolexes and omegas and they all have sharp edges , but omega bang for buck is brilliant and nearly no waiting list and you don’t need to get on the ladder to order a watch ,thanks ❤️👍🏴
Two Ultra Deeps, Seamaster Chrono diver, Seamaster 300m summer blue and 3861 sapphire sandwich moon watch. Yeah, I like that I can have these five watches for the price of one or two Rolexes if you “allowed”to buy them.
Discussing the "bang for buck" aspect of watches can be quite complex. Only a portion of a watch's value is intrinsic, with a significant amount tied to non-intrinsic factors like brand perception, which often accounts for a large part of its appeal.
Looking ahead, I believe Omega has a unique opportunity to differentiate itself by continuing to push the boundaries of horology. Many luxury watch brands focus on refining traditional mechanical movements, but Omega has a history of innovation and high accuracy quartz movements with models like the Spacemaster, Skywalker X-33, and the Seamaster 300M Quartz. Omega could position itself as a leader by excelling in both traditional mechanical watches and high-accuracy quartz movements, potentially competing with brands like Grand Seiko and Citizen in the realm of precision timekeeping. By mastering both, Omega can maintain its heritage while also standing out in the industry, becoming the sole Swiss watchmaker to truly master both and place equal emphasis in both.
So, an Omega with an eg £6k MSRP; £1k is VAT. Of the remaining £5k, £2k is AD margin. Of the remaining £3k, around £2k pays for marketing (ambassadors eg Nicole Kidman, sponsorship eg Olympics, sailing, golf, etc., collaborations eg James Bond franchise, above-the-line and below-the-line advertising, promotions, websites, gin-palace boutiques, etc), of the remaining £1k probably half goes on fixed costs eg head office, regional and local offices, sales force, contribution to Swatch Group overheads, etc. Which leaves perhaps £500 for making the actual watch, box, papers, etc. Now these figures are approximate, but yeah you’re paying for far, far more than the actual cost of the watch.
“Why would someone be looking at the specs and say “I’m going to buy the watch that has the best specs”, NO! There’s a lot of design, alot of feeling, there’s kinda brand associations…”. So, you buy an inferior product as you describe; eg nice to hold but the Omega’s bracelet pull you arm hair out, or the blingy 38mm Aquaterra poor bracelet construction, because…??? 🤔
“In terms of price retention Omega out-performs most brands”? 🤔. Really? 40-60% loss you say?! And the problem with your Oris comparison is that a comparable Oris costs a third of the Omega price to start with, so in £ terms you will always lose more on a new £6k Omega than a new £2k Oris (that you’re also more likely to get a discount on). So, it only makes sense to buy an Omega secondhand? 🤔
@@borassictime918yes, but bought secondhand it's one of the best value brands you can get, which is the point of the video.
Omega's problem is that much of their design language doesn't hold up over time. Take, for example, the Seamaster with the helium escape valve. It's a design that hasn't aged well; it looks old in a bad way. It's also huge, and the bracelet is tacky, and so on. The Aqua Terra and Speedmaster are the only watches that have good designs, in my opinion. Their movements are great, though.
@JohnPWatches
Why does no one talk about Carl F Bucherer? I think they own or are associated with Rolex. But no one talks about them or rates them. Can you enlighten us with a little history and ranking of Carl F. Bucherer watches compared to other tiers? Thanx.
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra a couple of years ago from an official retailer, the one with vertical lines, and they gave me a 30% discount. If I had bought it second hand I would have paid more.
Great video John!
I have actually gravitated towards Omega rather than Rolex in the last few years. Tudor in fact are more appealing to me than Rolex. In my collection, the balance between Omega and Rolex/Tudor are equal but I can see myself getting more of Omega timepieces in future.
I own Omegas and Rolexes, and I find that Omega movements are superior to Rolex. Omega produces high horology pieces, including complex mechanisms like the tourbillon. They focus on innovation and quality rather than playing the heavy marketing game that Rolex does. Also, a true watch collector is not concerned with price retention, only flippers and wanna be collectors worry about that.
@@johyscorner All Omega does is milk the Speedmaster and Seamaster. The Submariner hasn't even hit 50 versions yet. I bought an Omega Seamaster in 2015. It had terrible bezel action. Wore it once in water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count. It's been running +1 a day since bought new in 2003 its over 20 years old. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. It's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Maybe if they sold a shit product the marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't. They sell a great watch
@@johyscorner Bought an Omega Seamaster back in 2015. Wore it once in the water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count and has been running +1 a day since new in 2003 and it's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Like Rolex got where they are over night. Maybe if Rolex sold a terrible product. The marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I’ve taken my seamaster 300 professional diving several times and never had an issue. Maybe you got a defective one or didn’t buy it brand new. In that case that could happen to any watch. Omegas are far superior than Rolexes in terms of movements and innovation. Rolex hasn’t innovated in a long time and the most complex movement they have right now is the Sky Dweller. Every year they come up with the same watches different colors, it’s embarrassing. I’m not hating, I love my sub but I am not blind, sorry.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133When you handle an Omega and a Rolex, it's really obvious that the Omega is better quality. Plus, their movements are so much superior.
I bought a Planet Ocean 7 years ago. Love that watch. Next Omega will be a vintage Constellation.
I don't have an issue paying retail for an Omega AT especially if I am going to wear it every day.... the more you wear it the more bang-for-your-buck. I wouldn't buy a Rolex because of its resale value.....I'd buy it because it satisfies my wants and needs.
Good watches but overpriced!
Longines seems to be a better value
Omega is the only Luxury watch I can afford. They still have great watches for 6K like the Seamaster.
Nope. Just bought a neo-vintage Omega with super cool design and tech for only $800. I can’t imagine spending $8k for a simple watch.
I own a 38mm AT and a 36 mm explorer. The quality on the omega is better (other than the bracelet). I usually wear the AT on a rubber strap. That being said, the current retail price for an AT seems a few thousand dollars too high.
The hands and dials on the explorer are made out of 18k white gold, pretty sure the same can't be said of the AT. You can argue the movement is better but overall the explorer is a level above the AT.
@@Weakeyedominant no it's not. Keep lying to yourself.
The indices in AT are rhodium plated, which is by the way, more expensive than white gold.
Average rolex fanboy lmao
@@Weakeyedominant AT hands and hour markers are rhodium plated. Compared with white gold, I still have no idea which is more expensive.
@@avenuefive8593 I'll help explain. Rhodium is a derivative of platinum. SUPER expensive (if you bought a block of it or a liquid version) but it's a mere plating (microns thick, usually .05 MICRONS!)
So that's kind of the same of plating on costume jewelry, but it adheres much better to gold, but a plating which can wear off or oxidize off over years.
By the way all white gold gets plated with rhodium as well, BUT we are talking about the weight of the product.
So since the Rolex hands / indices are white gold, that means it's solid gold (white gold, which is yellow with alloy) and then plate, that is MUCH MUCH more expensive since you have actual gold (probably a few grams). The plating on steel or whatever metal they use on the Omega, is as I said, just a plating and has 0 value (intrinsic metal value) it just makes it shine nice and has some anti oxidizing properties.
@@exploretheinternet2334 plating uses a fraction of the precious metal, you would be the first person in history to choose plating over solid 18k gold 🤣
Hello John, thanks for making this interesting video, I use to have Omegas, Breitling, Seiko and now I own a Longines Zulu time, don't get me wrong but Longines has taken the place of Omega back in the 2020 when Omega was still reachable, because of the value they offer and the finishing of their timepieces. If you ask me If I will like to own a Seamaster Aquaterra again and my answer is yes I will love to, but not at this current pricing. Anyway thanks again for making this video.
A pre-owned Omega is one of the greatest values in watches.
Great watches, no doubt. The only issue for me is that they are a bit generic, as are Rolexes but the difference is that only Rolex keeps value. Buying Omega has to be second hand - and in the same “value losing” category I’m personally more into Grand Seiko, which are at the same price point, less generic, even better finished and comparable movements. Just my taste, again Omega are watches you can keep for life.
So glad to see the AT offered in a mechanical/automatic movement in "lady" size 34mm cases....with all the great features of the larger cases. Omega doing great things and their "Summer Blue" edition was amazing.
Omega is great. Dollar for dollar, better than Rolex, IMO. Price point, I’m still leaning Tudor for divers.
Í have owned four Seamaster, all bought when a new Seamaster could be had for under $3k. After enjoying them for a couple years, I was able to resell them for the same amount I bought them for. Not sure if I can still do that now.
No, you definitely can't do it now. You'd lose a lot.
They are really worth it. Buy before the prices go up again
The population of Switzerland is about nine million, if every single person was an expert watchmaker and did nothing else they couldn’t make all of the swiss made high end watches that they sell.
Omega is a consistent and quality products with timeless designs that carry nice incremental changes year to year. Their movements are above average in performance and finish. Their world timer complication is a steal at the used market prices. They are not worth retail when AD's will give 15% off w/warranty. Gray Market 15%-30% off w/no warranty and limited selections. Used market is 20%-40% off depending on condition and model w/warranty. If one is patience, there are many deals on Omegas. JM2C
Why do GMT models from a number of brands seem to command a premium? Unless one is travelling internationally on a regular basis, the extra hand is just clutter. Even if one is a regular traveller, it's hardly difficult to add or subtract the appropriate hours or (heaven forbid) to actually adjust the main hour hand rather than the secondary one!
I think more “non-enthusiasts” know about omega than they do AP. I certainly knew about omega since childhood, even if it was only because of James Bond.
Omega’s my brand
Where what you like
Own planet ocean 44 great watch definitely shows its presence I believe is the best and toughest watch you can buy
I have bought two Omegas in past 12 months, both from Ad, both with 15-20% discount. Both are stunning watches. Honestly, I struggle to see the difference in quality between my Omega and my Rolex.
I own both too, the big difference I see is in the bracelets. Rolex is miles ahead with there bracelets.
I have yet to buy an Omega, mainly cause they are bulkier on the wrist. I've gotten addicted to the slim look of the Rolex case on wrist. Would love an Omega that has a similar case profile of a 36mm Oyster Perpetual. I've tried the 38mm Aqua Terra and found it too chonky for my taste.
I bought the "Goldeneye" SMP for under a £1000 in 2006. A year later, the Casino Royale Special edition Planet Ocean with a big discount on its £2200 retail. Still have them both, still in excellent condition. The rubber straps on the Planet are not great and expensive to replace but I love the watch. I like the AT but I can't stomach spending over £6k on a watch.
The Swiss luxury watch sector gauged the market, largely Millennials, over 20 years ago and they appear to have been highly successful. Richard Mille came about this same time. The transition from tool to jewelry up the pricing 4-5X.
It was probably blind luck, my non-rich modest cost reasoning as a decades long watch enthusiast and the steep discounts at the time, I bought all my Swiss branded watches around the year 2000 and earlier.
Unlike many consumers today, I've lived thru and owned various changes in watches. Mechanical, electric (balance powered by a battery), tuning fork (never actually owned this headache of a design) and quartz. I was and still am happy to have departed largely away from mechanical.
The market for the past many years appears to be focused on mechanical while quartz, quality quartz, has largely disappeared. 20 years or so ago a quality quartz Seiko having about 5 jewels or Swiss branded watch having an ETA 7 jewel movement was the norm. Today they are largely zero (0) jewel and can cost well into the thousands of $$$. Quality can still be had but the pricing is on the moon for something like a Seiko using a 9F quartz movement.
They're amazing watches, my white dial 300m Seamaster still my favorite 😁
I own many Omegas, they are superb watches, but I only buy used. When I say that, I mean nearly new 12-18 months old max. I think there is just not much to be gained from buying retail when you can buy a year old for a 40-50% discount - but the build quality is amazing. The only Omega I would buy retail is if they did a re-make of the 165.024, I'd buy that in an instant.
I bought my 2022 Speedmaster hesi last Fall for $3,500 before tax. It had never been worn, box and papers. If you find a second-hand dealer you trust, I would rarely suggest anyone purchase a Swiss watch new. (granted, if you can get a Sub or a GMT Master II for retail, jump on that ASAP lol)
Omega did a amazing job very stunning watch
Problems of Omega:
- too expensive for what it offers, cant compete in value/cost category any more (imo Tudor wins here), and its hard to compete against Rolex or Cartier that cost similarly
- catalog is a mess (too many models, you can get a headache)
- too thick watches, and meh bracelets.
No, they're not. I tried an Omega Aqua Terra Shade in Europe, the price was about 7000 Euros. It should cost about 2k maximum. I was wearing a quartz Tissot PRX when I was trying the Omega on and the difference in quality was not even close to being in line with the difference in price...
Comparing Tissot PRX to Omega Aqua Terra? Seriously?
@@zsb707. Yes. I also compared the PRX to the new Longines Conquests that costs over 2000 Euros. My conclusion is that the Longines is about 75% of the Aqua Terra and the PRX is about 60%....
Omega isn't the great brand they once were. Alot don't want to admit that but that's 💯 the fact of the matter. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega
Perception is NOT REALITY. Omega is a great watch. Rolex is OVERRATED. Most humans are followers...
Omega has far too many models of the same watch that are not differentiated. And the introduction of the Swatch / Omega plastic "Speedmaster" has really watered down the brand.
Some years ago I bought a beautiful preowned PO GMT black ceramic for $7K. That watch has a MSRP of $11.7K. In the grey market costs around $8.5K. I eventually sold mine, and I was able to get only $5K. Great watches, but a little bit overpriced
It really isn't about Omega, or any other brand for that matter, becoming more expensive, it's really about the fact that the US dollar is weaker. It will continue to decline in purchasing power.
In 1963, one could buy a Mercedes Benz for 5,000 ounces of silver.
Today, one can buy a Mercedes Benz for 5,000 ounces of silver.
I really miss the omega diver watches of the early 80s. They kept the speedmaster syle why cant they bring the old diver back?
I have two vintage Omega: a Constellation and a Geneve.
Perhaps I will buy a Speedy, perhaps. It's a nice watch but it's not very exciting.
The rest I don't care about. I don't like the Seamaster. I much prefer other divers.
For me Omega was never an Exciting brand.
I must prefer Rolex, Tudor, Glashütte, Blaincpain, Oris and Seiko. I even added recently to my collection a fantastic Titoni diver.
I think Omega has too many variations so they are unfocused to produce a real stunner.
Yet I think they produce very good movements. But that doesn't sell watches per se. You can look at those terrible Hublots. I mean they are ultra expensive watches, they look like a Lamborghing having a KIA motor inside. But they sell like crazy because they are hyped and appeal to every and each nouveau-riche.
I think to Omega it lacks hype.
They should think about it.
Best regards
I currently own an Aqua Terra and I have owned a few Seamaster models. They were all great watches, but modern Omega watches cost too much. I would love a Sedna Gold Tresor, but not for $30,000.
I think Omega still has value on the grey market, but I could never pay retail.
bought a used Longines moonphase as brandnew orinigal box and papers , half the price of a new one, I bought the watch to wear and not for profit, love Omega but they are still pumping the moonmwatch.
People that buy luxury watches want to enjoy them. If i have the money to spend, I am going new. Same applies to cars and everything else. This talk about loss of value comes from "enthusiasts" on youtube that are not real enthusiasts, they are ALL gray market retailers trying to make a buck and saying "never buy new" to help their businesses. Sad
Absolutely they are 100% the best bang for your buck. I would buy an Omega Seamaster AT over a Rolex DJ anytime even at the same price and date of production!
It´s all a scam for the peeps mate, these things cost next to nothing to produce. Watches have become jewelry with little intrinsic value
the MSRPs of omega make no sense. At all.
Compare BB Chrono to the moonwatch.
good stuff mate, thanks
Sure, if you are wealthy, or if you have your heart set on a particular watch.
But they're over priced - I can't justify that action.
Side note: I owned 2, and sold them.
Truly love Omega but their prices are ludicrous now, sorry Omega, will go elsewhere now!
Their designs are only suitable for men in particular someone who like F1. Their women’s collection are… 😂
No sense of elegance. They should try and look at Cartier / Vacheron to understand what real aesthetics mean
I've liked Omega for most of my life, but is it just me, or is Omega now becoming more of a fashion brand?
Somehow it comes across that way.
Who cares really. You just like a certain watch or not.
TH-cam is full packed with these totally useless speculations trying to make simple things complicated.
Hey John P. Great to see you flying the Omega flag!?! And best of luck on the future after Del Ray!?!
There's no one more salty than an omega collector when he's defending against Rolex😂
I’m disappointed with omega , I bought it new and the clasp stuck and I couldn’t get it out of my hand , and the warranty only cover movement issues, so I pay 350€ for new clasp
At least Omega have great quality, innovation and good looks.
Rolex on the other hand are boring, everyone has one and you have to grovel before their dealers to even get on a list or buy crap you don't want before getting what you do.