That Hunter Biden Laptop story was an easy test of principle for sam and he failed it badly. The rest is just clever sounding rationalization for his own lack of principle on the issue. Next time he speaks of freedom of speech or freedom of the press, he ought to be laughed at.
Trump has been living rent free in Sam's head for 6 years and has crowded out any rational thoughts. Sad and cowardly/sycophantic behaviour from interviewers with no pushback for utter tosh psychobabble Kamala style word salad. Trigger need to educate themselves about MAGA and have someone on to counter Sam's TDS or be found out as completely partisan. I suggest Steve Bannon or Jack Posobiec. I understand why Tim Cast blocked KK.
Watching your guys' faces as one of the most respected and internationally famous public intellectuals just breathlessly torches his own career in front of you is a sight to behold. Many didn't think he was this far gone, but great interview! You laid his beliefs bare. His new-found respect for Liz Cheney is proof he's willing to compromise even his most ardently argued ideas, for the sake of getting rid of trump. It's embarrassing to watch.
The Cheneys literally murdered the weapons inspector that blew the whistle on no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then went on to kill a million Iraqis but somehow this is all water under the bridge for phony philosopher Sam bitch face
I've been hearing a lot about Sam Harris recently and was curious about his views. Thank you, FF & KK, for saving me the trouble of investigating further.
The first line - intellectual honesty - so high and mighty and such lack of self awareness. Hypocrisy and smugness knows no bounds - Sam is the poster child for both. Thanks guys for providing the forum and asking the questions that leave no doubt as to his TDS and the lefts appetite to burn down very institution to achieve their goals.
Marcus Aurelius said” the noblest kind of retribution is not to become like your enemy” The ends do not justified the means, otherwise you become as immoral if not worse than the person you’re criticising.
My follow up for Sam would have been: If twitter is a private company that only wants to publish info based on its bias and without consistent terms, why not lift its section 230 liability protection and treat it as a publisher?
Yep. And I'm sure that has been an argument against him other times, but these lads are British, so they're not that familiar with the details I'd wager. "Intellectual honesty" my bottocks. If he was intellectually honest, he'd bring that argument up himself and defeat it. Instead he strawmanned it as if the government would storm Twitter HQ with firearms and override the servers. That's never been the debate, ever. The only thing the government would do is say "Sure, go ahead and sue the platform that let [insert either Alex Jones fanatics, Ethnonationalists, BLM, Antifa, Trans activist lunatics, wokists, etc] harass you without stopping them in time.", and Twitter would be dead in a week.
It is a publisher and the sooner it (and other sm) is treated as a publisher the better for society. Once you are capable of addressing the whole world the platform needs to be regulated.
If you have your demons you have your holies, blasphemy laws, agendas, narratives. Engines of propaganda and repression are clearly what all these lawless monopolistic platforms turned out as.
@@Zerradable It's good to know that power and maintaining it is more important to you than speaking and maintaining truth. The truth isn't always comfortable, but to completely to deny it is pathetic. You have let your hatred of Trump literally inhibit your ability to think critically, as exhibited by your ridiculous comment. -Sincerely, Someone who never supported Trump
He said the quiet part out loud... These intellectuals dont care about democracy or your right to choose who governs you and Sam is doing some GIANT backtracking
Of course they don't care about democracy, because it means the plebs would be making the big decisions rather than just the enlightened intellectual elite. The same elite who think their position entitles them to rule on the lesser people's behalf as they see fit. It's always a big shock for them to notice they really aren't superior to the layman or when the layman isn't as petty and stupid as they've convinced themselves to believe.
He is the perfect encapsulation of the arrogance and pomposity of these elite leftist. I have more respect for corrupt charlatans like Biden and Clinton that I do for this arrogant dickhead.
Intellectuals are no more moral or immoral than anyone else. The difference is that they have a greater ability to rationalize their beliefs. And history shows us that we can reason ourselves towards evil quite easily, as in the case of communism.
Bro I'm tired of people shitting on communism, people are the ones that become dictators, people are the ones that kills others, where in communism says that you have to kill your rivals? Communism is not perfect but you have to scape this western bubble the government try to keep us on.. look how diss-equal is capitalism, yeah be free to say what you want " not all the time thou" but be poor and work all day your entire life.
This was so eye opening. I had not realized how authoritarian a rational person like Sam Harris has become. I would have also asked "you talk about all this destruction and danger that Trump caused with his first term, can you give me some examples?" His absolute indifference for "anyone else" to have the reigns of power regardless of their corruption also shows how superficial his understanding is of alternatives.
I listened to every Sam Harris podcast, till his one on vaccinations, where he stated any of his peers who disagreed, challenged or critiqued the efficiency or outcomes of the new vaccine was either psychotic, schizophrenic or in some way mentally ill. That characterisation of people who disagreed with him was chilling to me. He also said on that podcast in this case he believed that other peers and professionals should be censored on media platforms if they disagreed because they pose such a danger to the population. I couldn't believe my ears after all the support he has been given to speak on sensitive issues. I discovered in that podcast the depth of his intellectual dishonesty and I didn't want to hear anything more of what he had to say.
@@anonymoustoo4945 There is no way that Sam will take on any of the new studies and information that supports everything his very intelligent and professional peers warned about. His ego is too strong and unfortunately he's becoming quite a fundamentalist in his ideas.
For years I believed Sam Harris was right in The Moral Landscape in saying that we could divorce morality from religion. After seeing his rapid decline into authoritarian consequentialism, I believe he has become the personification of why his argument was flawed.
I haven't followed him closely for many years, but it seems from here that Sam is _still_ playing this '"high-priest of atheist nerds'" charade for as long he can ride it to the bank. Nietzsche's _Genealogy of Morals (A Polemic)_ describes what Sam has failed to grasp; such as the absurdity of 'noble morals' in relation to religious (and consequently, secular) notions of compassion.
Yup, I used to call myself a "recovering Christian", and saw Harris (et al) as a safe haven for my position. Now, based on his incredible dishonesty, I've, once again, got to examine my beliefs. Ironically, Sam Harris will be the cause of many folks turning to faith.
God Bless Triggernometry for pushing back against Sam Harris's BS and calling him out on his extreme bias and justification. That's why I am a fan and support these guys even though we may not agree on everything politically. I am on the conservative side of politics and they aren't, but I whole heartedly respect and appreciate this channel.
Why is it BS? All news orgs at the time (and especially with hindsight) knew the laptop story was bunk. At a minimum, you can't trace the chain of custody and integrity of the data let alone if it came from Biden. I forget exactly, but we had like, Rudy Juliana had copies of a disk from a blind guy who made copies off of a laptop that said "hunter" on it dropped off by a guy he could not recognize and has no footage of and had NO REASON to be digging through the laptop that had no encryption or anything and had **some** legit emails and stuff on it that could have been gathered and planted from other sources but we won't really know because they didn't ever release the hard drive info out to non-hyper-conservstive spruces to verify. It's the most transparent October surprise plant that intentionally to sway the election I could imagine.
Also if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE WHOLE THING. He explains what he means and they say nothing, going straight to commercial 😂😂😂 I don't think they disagree.
I think they were too blown away by his blatant, articulate silver tongue......he was a bit "too much" for the trig boys. Not sure many people could push back on Sam. He is a piece of work. Love the philosophical spins that he does. His intelligence matters not, because he truly lacks wisdom of ANY kind
@@Ciph3rzer0 No, they clearly disagree, but they don't push back nearly enough because they don't want to get bogged down on one issue. It's not my show but I absolutely would rather hear them go deep on the one issue than just touch on many
The lack of introspection Sam has is truly incredible. Imagine if Don Jr had a job on the board of a Ukranian gas company and there were leaked emails about cash "for the big guy" lol. Sam would have to start a new podcast series of 12 episodes to cover it.
This rambling, incoherent explanation for going against everything this country is founded on shows what happens when a great intellect is not grounded in morality and objective truth.
Well, to be fair to Sam, he does claim to be grounded in those two things. His entire career is based on attempting to articulate an objective morality. The issue is not his ostensible lack of morality or favor of objective truth, but his ego.
“Intellect is not wisdom.” “Some of the biggest cases of mistaken identity are among intellectuals who have trouble remembering that they are not God.” Dr. Thomas Sowell, a true genius.
The problem with intellectuals and other academically gifted people is that they think they are brilliant in all aspects of life and they think know better than everyone about everything: this is why they never develop and lack wisdom and self awareness.
I would like to thank sam Harris for his honesty here. He went full send here, and proved just how deep tds goes with these people. It was hot take after hot take, and just kept getting more ridiculous.
This wasn't honesty. We know that he wasn't trying to be honest but rather just slipped on a banana peel on camera. We know because he has tried to pretend that he never meant exactly what he just admitted in front of millions of people, that evil is justified when he side does it.
I followed Sam for years and respected him. It is today that my opinion of him has changed. He and his line of thought is literally part of the problem and the reason why this country has had such a HUGE moral decline.
Keep in mind the neoconservatives have the same mindset. Both the modern left and right advocate lying and misrepresenting the truth. America is doomed unless enough people decide that the truth is important.
@@RenlangRen I see republicans are easily able to have a conversation whereas the left (any left) do not know how to converse. If one side refuses to have a conversation it's all for nothing. I left the democrats. They supported my thoughts but gave no reasons. I was just a sucker....
When Sam said Brett Kavanaugh was guilty because “he looked like someone who would do that”, I was done with him. His TDS made his entire “I’m the most critically honest person in the room” motif complete garbage. Totally exposed him as a fraud. And I used to LOVE Sam.
Yeah- hashtag me too. This is some EXTREME long haul TDS. Trump was president for four years, and not only did none of the doom and gloom predictions come to pass, but things actually ran pretty well. Good economy, ended the Korean war, Abraham accords, defeated ISIS, deescalated with Russia, energy independence and better border protection. We know Trump is an asshole, but he's effective. You're not having him over for dinner, so please judge based on policy, not personality. What harmful policies were passed that would have you overthrow the electoral process and abuse power to avoid?
I think calling him a fraud is unfair. I think he is genuine. He's just wrong to think it's ok to sacrifice principles to get rid of a person you don't like.
Very well conducted interview. Hard to listen to due to the unabated TDS and heavy bias, but interesting nonetheless. It really seems like Trump did something PERSONALLY to him. It's odd how his objectivity just goes out the window on anything Trump related. A real vendetta.
He's an intellectual elitist. I think he would be happy if a specific IQ or set of certain credentials were required to even run for the office of president of the United States.
This is some EXTREME long haul TDS. Trump was president for four years, and not only did none of the doom and gloom predictions come to pass, but things actually ran pretty well. Good economy, ended the Korean war, Abraham accords, defeated ISIS, deescalated with Russia, energy independence and better border protection. We know Trump is an asshole, but he's effective. You're not having him over for dinner, so please judge based on policy, not personality. What harmful policies were passed that would have you overthrow the electoral process and abuse power to avoid?
What exactly makes trump unfit to serve as president? Notice he never has any examples just broad generalizations. I believe Sam has suffered the worst case of TDS I’ve ever seen.
Sam Harris appears to be saying that people should be taken-out, by any means necessary, before they can ever run for political office, because he personally is the supreme judge of the Universe.
That is exactly what he is saying. And the hypocrisy of that coming from someone criticizing Islam, for saying it holds the ultimate truth, is through the roof.
Sam: thank you for teaching me to be against the censorship that you now stand for. This is extremely sad to me. I loved waking up the book and his free will book. He was always one of my favorite thinkers. He stood for free speech, stood next to hitch, and always brought forth rational & well thought out responses. However it seems as though covid and Trump broke his brain. He’s another victim. He took the stance of being pro-mandate and pro vax. He didn’t challenge the cdc & the sketchy data coming out. Further, It was so sad seeing him be pro-Censorship and be against freedom of information. he took the weird stance of “orange man bad no matter what” which can be seen in this interview.
Was scrolling quickly, reading most comments and was waiting for someone sane to actually comment. I thought I was the only one who saw what you saw! I like to think my self as an independent mind, but Sam’s current views spew “hate the orange man, censorship is alright”
Agree. Use to love listening to Sam. He was a deep thinker. Maybe i'm wrong, maybe he is, but he doesn't seem to be standing back and thinking through these issues
So sad to watch the man who I used to consider one of the brightest intellectuals of our time first praises himself for his intellectual honesty, and then proves exactly the opposite throughout most of the interview. Awesome work by F&K to allow him to do that.
Woof... the self importance of this guy is painful. Totally hear loud and clear how he is fine with the levers of power doing anything to secure an outcome he agrees with.
@@fuckwit6081 at any cost. If you want to posit that his sole interest is justice for his abuse of powe,, then both you and he need to show me his demonstrated zeal at holding George Bush, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, The NSA, The FBI, The CIA, and The CDC, (to list a few obvious players) accountable for their demonstrated abuse of power and corruption. As it stands all I see is someone willing to have power that is aligned with his politics and world view use that power in anyway conceivable to punish those he disagrees with. Hardly a well thought out or acceptable position.
I don't think atheism is exempt from becoming the basis for a religion. Once things get to the point of having an all-encompassing Grand origin story (GOS Evolution), which is taken to be THE TRUTH, religiously, I think it will operate as a religion.
@@johnknight3529 you may have misunderstood what atheism is. Atheism is the null hypothesis of the god question. If you were an atheist, you'd neither believe a god exists, nor believe a god does not exist. It's not an assertion on the god question, and it certainly isn't an assertion about evolution (?) Atheism isn't necessarily the basis of a religion, but I will agree that there are a ton of people who are self-proclaimed atheists for very dogmatic reasons.
@@jmh31890 I don't see how it's even possible for it to be the basis of a religion. There isn't really anything one can deduce from the statements "There is no god" or "I'm not convinced there is a god". Whatever moral framework is formed needs to be based on additional assumptions.
@@martinm6368 those who misunderstand what atheism is such they assert "there is no god" and subscribe to it as dogma would be a solid foundation for a religion, from my perspective. Though, I guess then it depends on how you define religion and my usage of the word here is something akin to "dogmatic belief" Edit: a word
Harris's biggest issue is arrogance. He is terrified of being wrong, (so wrong) on any given issue. His mind will go into a pretzel before accepting he was incorrect. You can tell everything about him from that "someone is wrong on the internet" meme. He has become a laughing stock.
And being that unable to admitting being wrong is exactly the opposite of intellectual honesty. Which makes his opening statements even more laughable.
How can anyone accept this man's level of "Literally Joe Biden could have done ANYTHING and it wouldn't be worse than Trump" and still consider him a logical, non-corrupted thinker in the slightest? Sam Harris has sold his soul.
To me this argument boils down to: do you allow someone to become president to ultimately destroy democracy or do we allow the scales to become tipped to ultimately save it. Interesting conversation all around
@@CommanderIrish Big assumption to make that Trump will ‘destroy democracy’ - especially as he showed no sign of doing so in his first term. It wasn’t him who concocted a fake collusion dossier in order to impeach and remove a democratically elected president. Hilary attempted a coup because she was so pissed she, the Anointed One’ didn’t get crowned Queen. Yet people think Trump is the problem??? Gobsmacking.
"Trump clearly violated Twitters terms of service, maybe not as written, but as Twitter should have had them." ... this is amazing, does he even hear himself speak?!
Sam’s case of TDS and arrogance led him to believe that his arguments were sound and that people would be on his side. He does not even see the blatant hypocrisy and authoritarian tendencies he now portrays. Thank you guys for letting him expose himself.
@@darlenegriffith6186 listen sweet cheeks. I’m sure that made sense when you wrote it, but you seem to either have a misunderstanding of the word ironic or how to use it. Either way, I’ll pray for you. #Trump2024
@@SvensktTroll Harris believes that private companies have the right to run their companies as they choose and enforce their terms of service. Trump started truth social as a new platform. He had every right to do so. In fact, he can do the hard work of building up his social network just like Twitter. There's no one being oppressed here and no one being silenced. It's just how capitalism works.
Because he lives by "do good" instead of "don't be evil". "The greater good" is dangerous. People believing in "the greater good" is too often ready to sacrifice the individual on their way. A Lot of the real evil stuff of history were done by zealots thinking they were serving something good. Not much evil has ever been done by those who refuse to trample on the individual on their way.
I think he meant Trump and Jones are the ‘psychopaths’ and the supporters are merely ‘morons’. Nice way to win friends and influence people/at least half the country hey!
@@veryverysaline3376 nothing screams objective as the exact dialouge trees I can find on reddit and twitter. Its almost as if leftists are not real people. They're literally NPC characters with the same programming.
When you have no firm grounding for your morality, and outright reject that a firm grounding exists, it's easy to dismiss your morality in favor of "the greater good" as you see it.
Is Sam seriously this intellectually blind to his own ideas? I am genuinely jaw dropped listening to him stumble through answering these questions about Trump v Twitter.
He's trying to manufacture consent among the people on the behalf of the managerial class (the current order), to which he belongs. They are existentially threatened by Trump and the plebs (their purported service unit, as it were). He's also not very good at it lol. Trump may be a lot of things but as soulless as the current order, that he is not. Go home. th-cam.com/video/rVkfarSZvCw/w-d-xo.html
You guys killed it with this interview. Sam is someone I have followed for many years. His reaction to Trump and the pretzel-twist justifications he makes for the whole thing --from Twitter banning to Liz Cheney--illustrates how no one, not even Mr. Reason himself, is immune to bad reasoning when it comes to ideological sacred cows. While I have heard his thoughts on this topic for many (too many honestly) hours, FF and KK got to the heart of his position better than anyone so far, even his own podcast. A stark reminder that we are all human.
Exactly. I was a big fan of Harris, especially in his "objective morality" phase. I was already colder when he went full on in the "meditation app" thing. But here, in this interview, what really made my jaw drop was when he said that anything, absolutely anything, was better than getting Trump re-elected, and that anything done to that effect was justified. I never thought I'd see Sam Harris defending a "the end justifies the means" approach, especially to politics in a democracy. I am still dumbfounded by this.
I can understand his reasoning for saying that at the time, but then looking at the actual results of Biden's presidency... it doesn't give him any pause for thought? At all? Doesn't matter how corrupt Joe Biden is, doesn't matter that his son and apparently every other senior democrat knows someone sitting on the board of a Ukranian oil company. Doesn't matter that we're now pouring tens of billions of dollars into supplying arms and ammunition to that very same country for them to wage a never-ending proxy war against Russia for us. Doesn't matter that said war and the economic sanctions (that have never worked in the past) are now going to lead to poor people and old people in Europe freezing to death this winter. Doesn't matter that over a hundred of million people in the third world are now staring down the barrel of starvation because Ukraine and Russia provided a massive proportion of the world's grain. Doesn't matter that agriculture all over the world is collapsing because Ukraine and Russia also produced a significant fertiliser... At least orange man gone. And he says Trump University was worse than anything Joe Biden's involved in. Last time I checked you can't draw a clear line between Trump University and a war.
@@daveh3971 100% agree. I'm not a Trump fan (I'm not even American). I remember the day he was elected (I was getting a surgery the same day) and how terrible was the feeling of seeing that moron as the chief of state of the most important country. But even during the 2020 elections, pretending that any means were ok to get rid of Trump is so incredibly against everything Sam Harris has defended his whole life, I still can't believe he says that. And as you say, maybe he was overwhelmed by his fear/hatred/disappointment of Trump in 2020, but now, 2 years later, to still defend the same position is inexcusable.
@@alihenderson5910 No I'm not. Seeing Trump as president filled me with incredulity. Biden as president fills me with dread. When I saw that the election was going to be between Trump and Biden, I thought 2 things: 1-That Americans felt they were stuck in a situation where they had to chose between these two was a very clear sign that democracy is dying in the US (don't take me wrong, it's the case in a lot of Western countries). The fact that movements like Unity 2020 were silenced and destroyed rapidly shows how both Reps and Dems don't care about democracy anymore. 2-But between the 2, I'd have chosen Trump. He's a moron, and certainly a misogynistic racist, but at least we knew what to expect from him : sheer stupidity. But with Biden, it was clear from the beginning he was a puppet. I mean, the guy is senile. So now he's president, the world has to wonder : who is actually governing the most powerful country in the world? I'm always a "better the devil you know" kind of guy, so I prefer transparent stupidity to secretive malevolence. And again, we have our pile of bullshit over here in Europe too.
Sam’s defense of Twitter’s behavior is contemptible and reveals the authoritarian that he has always been from supporting eugenics policies and the war on terror in the past to his support of technocratic interference in elections today.
Great interview. I love it when interviewers give time to the interviewee to complete a thought and not try to show how smart they are. Well done guys!
Konstantin is a master of this and not just in interviews. I saw him on a panel show with a climate activist. His master stroke was to simply let the other party talk and if they undo themselves so be it.
I don't think I've ever seen him less coherent and articulate. The cognitive dissonance is really gumming up his synapses. It's kind of astounding how feeble he is now, having not listened to him for a few years. He used to be so persuasive and clever that even on issues where I fundamentally disagreed with his stance, he would really make me rethink and struggle with those issues. He sounds like a confused doddering old man now.
The take on Hunter Biden and the dead kids was not even his worst take. That dubious honor belongs to his.....explanation...of why all the wokeness intensified right as Christianity collapsed in the west. It was the most meandering, poorly thought out, dear in the headlights answer i have ever heard him give.
@@Si_Mondo It's more like the moments where he failed were so monumental that they overshadowed his better moments. I still think that if it wasn't for that podium hijack, he would've been the Dem nominee against trump. That would've been very interesting to see and even more interesting if he'd won. Alas, the podium was taken, Hillary was the nominee and Sanders fell in line.
I love the body language of the hosts staring at Sam explain how the ends justify the means with regards to getting rid of Trump. It's almost shocking to hear Sam articulate such nonsense.
Sam said absolutely nothing wrong. Twitter should have banned trump years ago for violating their TOS and letting him spread disinformation and threats to violence.
My impression of what Sam said was if Trump as a candidate to presidency and actual president can spout conspiracies and blatant false information to gain and maintain his position, then why can’t the same be used against him. To me that sounds like a more fair and democratic society. In an ideal world everything would be based off merit and truth, but that’s not how it works, even more so in politics
@@joebaker7788 Sam says Trump University is WORSE than the "plausiable" corruption of a sitting vice president and now president getting money from the CCP. That's besides the ch!7d p0rn, drug use, etc on his laptop AND the corruption with Ukraine.... you know... the country rhe US is sending BILLIONS of dollars and worth of military equipment to
…back for more. Sam Harris claimed that Trump’s first term was “bad” and a second Trump term would be “worse”. I am a simple man, not a famous writer and intelectual. The Trump economy was very good for me and millions of middle class Americans and sans Covid, there is every reason to believe that a second Trump term would have been just as good. Instead, we are mired in the worst economy in the United Sates since Jimmy Carter’s. I am probably going to have to work an extra five years at minimum because Sam Harris and people like him were scared. He and the people like him have subjected us all to a fate worse than scary Tweets and now this cabal, because it is NOT a normal administration (if you believe Biden is the actual President then you haven’t seen so much as one of his public appearances) . Record inflation, spikes in crime, impossible to find housing , lingering supply chain problems, etc. Things are not going well under this administration and they are getting worse. People are struggling and all because they were scared of his Tweets.
Spot on. I'm not American but I don't get how anyone still can pretend that Biden was better than Trump in any way (or in fact that Trump was bad to begin with)... You forgot to mention the botched Afghanistan withdrawal that cost 13 Marines and hundreds of locals their life and left billions worth of war machinery to the Taliban. Or the fact that we have a war in Europe under Bidens watch. While Trump stood for global military disengagement and peace efforts (Abraham Accords, meeting Kim Yong Un and successfully deescalated on the Korean peninsula)..
The USA was objectively better off under Trump than it is under Biden. The world was better off with Trump calling the shots. Biden has been a disaster. I don’t know what Harris is talking about. For someone who claims to value reason and logic, he doesn’t seem to care much about numbers and statistics, or objective reality.
Sam doesn't care about any of this. He's too rich to care about the cost of groceries or oil. These are working class concerns that out of touch elitists like him do not understand. He and Bill Maher wanted an economic collapse to get rid of Trump. See how much they care about the actual sufferings of real people?
I agree that you're a simple man. You can thank Obama for the good economy, not that you will dream of doing any such thing. The economy is adding jobs at a record rate and inflation is going down. I respectfully suggest you pull your head out of your ass and look at the real situation, not the fever dreams they give you on Fox News.
But what you are failing to realize is that the 2 years BIden has been in office have little to nothing to do with the ebbs and flows of a global economy. You'd have a stronger argument levying your criticism against Trump, or Obama, or Bush, or better yet...Reagan's administration, which mortgaged all of our futures on asinine economic theory.
Sam Harris, one of the people I've been following for years because of his intellictual honesty, courage and brilliancy suffers from TDS to the point where he breaks away from all of the things that I've admired him for. And I don't like Trump either. To borrow the idiom, Donald Trump lives rent free in Sam Harris' head.
They even gave him an opportunity to stop talking about the Orange man in this interview but he couldn't do it, he had to tell them that Orange man bad.
I'm the same. I'd definitely vote Republican but I know Trump isn't an Angel but I genuinely used to respect Sam but I genuinely don't think anybody suffers worse from TDS than Sam Harris. It's just ruined him. He hates Conservatives and most of the left. . hate *him*. So he's in no man's land. Now I only hear of him when he's having another outburst like a few days ago he made a post like 'And then they took our Nuclear Secrets home and still I did nothing' after some lefty rag reported the FBI raided Trump for Nuke secrets, that went semi viral. 3 hours later it turned out to be fake. Does Sam take these down? Of course not. He allowed his audience to froth and boil over it and then moved on. This weekend those people will tell their friends how Donald Trump stole the Nuclear secrets... and on it will spread. I can't have respect for a man who calls himself a great thinker but falls, EVERYTIME, for the complete tosh the mainstream Liberal media put it out. Even though its shown to be lies TIME AND TIME AND TIME again. You lost it Sam. All because of your Ego.
@j4Rose He lost me when he threw one of his biggest allies under the bus (Bret Weinstein) by having multiple podcasts solely devoted to attacking Weinstein's views on the pandemic while also refusing to have a single conversation with him about it. He supposedly found Weinstein's views so dangerous that he couldn't give him an audience to discuss them. I don't know if it was Trump that broke him mentally, the pandemic, or both, but he's lost himself.
The deal with Harris is he fools people with his calm seeming demeanor and tone of his voice. He’s Always been a hypocrite and basically full of shit it’s just that it took bigger societal issues for him to be exposed. For instance, when he was selling everyone the so called “Atheist” movement pretending logic and reason he was and still is in reality a rabid Anti-Theist! People Need to listen to what he actually says more closely. For example hawking “meditation” is still his hidden inner anti theism coming through and listen to how he equates the mind with “code” and “software” etc etc. yet his soft tone still fools so many when he’s anything but calm and rational and unbiased. He’s an ideologue pretending not to be an ideologue!
Well the snarky Atheist will always shift over to the next figurehead, without ever having to acknowledge that they were publicly wrong about something. Reminds me of Catholics who protected abusive priests.
@@TOUGHEYES I can't speak for your experience, of course, but in America the % of pedophiles in public schools is greater than the percentage in the Church. On the merits, you're right, The Catholic Church owns a number of monasteries on rocks sticking out of the North Sea and could have put all the pedo priests in those... but literally nobody understood that these guys can't get better at the time.
I feel like I've done this all my life but I am constantly playing "Devil's Advocate" with myself in my head. Sounds sad but it's important to how I process what is going on in the world.
The long winded, sanctimonious way Sam answers questions makes me think that he now sees himself as some sort of deity. Like his views are so perfect and beyond question. Brilliant interview that exposed Sam’s intellectual dishonesty in such a clear and unambiguous way.
I love the way they just let him talk. Never seen Sam as flustered as he is at 37:45. Its like you can see him recognizing how insane what he said was, but his ego doesn't allow him to fully acknowledge it.
You know it's gonna be a good interview when Konstantin says "that's a good answer, but that doesnt quite answer my question", at the very first question lol. I love these guys, saw them on Rogan, just loved their personality on the show. And seeing their show they're just great interviewers, it's kinda like the closest thing we have to good journalism rn, just not taking a biased approach, letting someone talk and if they slip up on their own accord that's on the interviewee not the interviewer. (Its not investigative reporting, but it's just taking an unbiased approach to literally everyone, and that's something that's been lacking alot today).
In the second half, I think it comes off quite openly that Harris can't reflect on his own statements, and how when he brings up Black Lives Matter, he's isn't critical of the religiosity of it at all. He doesn't even have the self awareness to be critical of its founder robbing millions to fund her mansions.
Intellectual honesty... which I consider being not only the most important trait in any personality, but to be absolutely above anything, the preceding prerogative to have in order to even participate in ANY discussion... so, I must applaud Sam Harris for publicly admitting (from 24:30 on, but especially from 37:00) that the 2020 Presidential elections had been unfair, that the political figures involved as well as the Democratic Party's colluding press knowingly cheated, and ultimately conspired to successfully alter the elections results.
@@darlenes5406 I think they know how delicate little Harris is. They were like ants helping a peony bloom to open. We have the rest of Sam Harris' life for him to be challenged on his assholery. We will be entertained!
Too many people have inflated this guys ego for years by telling him how smart he is. He's undeniably smart on some topics, but has pretty severe personal biases that allow him to sit there and contradict himself like this. It's actually hard to watch someone being so smug in their delusions of grandeur and cognitive dissonance.
@@racheljames7 you don't get a PhD in neuroscience by being a half wit. Unfortunately intelligence does not protect you against being emotional or irrational. Basically being human.
This guy is utterly psychotic. I’ve never held against Harris being born into hundreds of millions of dollars, thus allowing him to engage in utter idolatry and frivolity and self serving nonsense with no fear of starving. That was a terrible mistake on my part.
You are not alone... it's like he microwaved his head but somehow retained that pompous tone and manner of speaking.. he sounds soooo high on hearing his own voice.. the introduction they gave didn't help, however it may have been strategic in order to lower his guard completely.. I like how the hosts talk very little, do not lead and just let their guests go on about themselves
Sam never answering a question is one of my favorite past times. He only gets better by the day. How did I miss this classic? Oh, it said Sam Harris in the title.
I've been a huge fan of Sam Harris for the last 15 or so years , my introduction to him was the end of faith book, excellent read. it's amazing this conversation with you guys has really changed my opinion of him, he's Tds is tiresome, it's the blatant hypocrisy that I cannot take from him any more, he is happy to have he's enemies silenced and he's own free speech endorsed, if that isn't authoritarian thinking what is.
That same exact typography is why the end of Facebook is absolute trash. Go back and read it with this man's intellectual dishonesty in mind, and see if that challenges you at all. And by challenges you, I mean is that book still a valid argument? Again, take into account how intellectually dishonest this man has exposed himself to be, and reread that book and tell me it has valid arguments.
I used to be heavily leftwing and militantly atheist. Looking back, these "four horseman" of atheism have a very naïve LITERAL perspective on religion. I respect their intellects (some of them) but they missed the point and never once asked themselves what religion was adapted for. Religion was designed for social cohesion, traditions, celebrations, and community - usually by means of parables about morality, philosophy, and culture (memes - in the truest sense of the word). Cultural collapse and the fall of religion and intertwined. It follows that a country of people that don't follow similar beliefs on basic principles such as morality, justice, and metaphysics won't get along and will begin tearing at the seams. We're tribal and territorial animals, but now our tribes are divided politically instead of philosophically, and this doesn't work. What annoys me most about Dawkins is he understands the concept of 'memes' but never applies it to religion because he's so distracted by a literal interpretation of one holy book. It's like reading Lord of the Rings and pointing out to fans that Hobbits aren't actually real, so Frodo's sacrifice and Sam's loyalty are not worth any consideration.
I agree that Sam Harris's opinions on religion are utterly worthless. His arguments sound great while he is speaking but fall apart when criticized because he just gets too many key facts wrong. These include both historical facts and facts about how religious thought works. Most of the "facts" he finds damning are just assumptions based on his prejudices. He has too much contempt for religion to offer a balanced and well-informed criticism.
the facade crumbled, at least for me, after the 2016 us election. he would go on deranged tangents about trump when the podcast had nothing to do with him.
So for 15 years you've been listening to this obvious fraud? NOT ONCE did I ever consider Sam Harris intelligent. He is not! He's a feeble-minded fraud, and was 15 years ago... I promise you!
He is so steeped in TDS I have suggested he must have been the 'smart person' that wrote the book of anti-Trump talking points that all the smart people faithfully repeated. Sam's pain of rejection by the masses has evinced a definite hatred toward Trump supporters. He would make for a great District Court Judge in DC.
He’s literally the opposite of a grifter, if he was, the nature of this comment section would be entirely different. He’s too convinced of his own virtues to grift.
39:14. The system is corrupt. So it is morally defensible to subvert the democratic process to ensure the candidate you approve of is given power over the person you disapprove of. Not anti-democratic ... much.
I see nothing surprising about Sam Harris holding in such high regard the daughter of and aspiring warmonger and war criminal herself, Liz Cheney. That the Cheneys are now the darlings of the supposed left is evidence to me that we are actually living in a simulation and whomever is in charge of it is really fucking with us now.
This is how the vast majority of activists think and view themselves, and honestly, it's refreshing to hear at least one of these utterly immoral pieces of excrement say the quiet part out loud for once.
@@pdcdesign9632 Yes, the adult guest who openly advocates for subverting democracy because Trump was an existential threat...despite 4 years proving the contrary. The American system worked, he was held in check. But we'll openly conspire to suppress information about corruption in his political opponent because the plebs might not vote the way I want.
I used to love this guy. He goes to show however; no matter how intelligent you are; no matter how good your reasoning abilities.. if all the information you consume is corrupted you will be wrong about everything. At some point, it is definitely his fault. He pretentiously filtered his information to only come from sources that an elite person such as himself should consume. Anyone who wasn't part of the MSM was just an 'internet goon" and therefore could be dismissed without any consideration. His world view is now built on so many lies; he seems insane.
Ok. Take what you said and turn it on yourself. How do you know that's not what you did? Most Magapedes turned to complete unreliable commentary "news entertainment" sensationalizing content with no editorial control and Facebook and internet memes from high control groups as "truth" and never fact checked any of it. Tell me that's not you.
@@Ciph3rzer0 Well for one, the people/groups I was listening to turned out to be right about many things. I was getting exposed to MORE context, not less than those simply listening to the deliberately de-contextualized media narratives. For example, I knew back in 2016 that the whole Russia/Trump narrative was likely JUST a Clinton campaign strategy that the establishment decided to pick up and run with. It was in the wikileaks (which people like Sam would have no idea about because the media would not be going to talk about it). Right about the time that the media started running with baseless Trump/Russia stories; there was the leaked email exchange between Clinton campaign staff about trying to tie Trump to Putin. Over the next couple of years, more and more evidence came out from groups like Judicial watch (who actually sue the government and get documents) that were revealing the ties between the completely false Steele dossier, the Clintons, and the laundering of it into the DOJ through the husband of one of Fusion GPS employees. It showed the FBI at the highest levels were corrupt, that they hated Trump and wanted to fix the wrong 2016 result. That they knew the Steele dossier was full of bullshit; but they used it anyhow as the backbone for lying to the FISA court to get spy warrants for people within Trumps campaign. All of this information I knew years ago and I hope by 2022 you at least have some vague acceptance that the whole Trump/Russia collusion narrative and investigations for years and years were NOTHING but bullshit. People like Sam (and perhaps you by your condescending tone) were never exposed to any of this information because the media he was drank were in on the "get Trump" bandwagon the whole time.. evidence be damned.
You obviously don’t have a clue about him then. His own podcast is full on people outside the mainstream and from all political view points. Sam just finds that deceit is the number one threat to democracy and trump was personal deceit on top of professional deceit on top of commercial deceit on top of political deceit. There’s zero you could say to trump to change his mind.
I realised last year when he did a podcast on vaccinations and claimed any of his peers that had any critique or disagreement with the vaccine and its roll out was either psychotic, schizophrenic or somehow mentally ill. That characterisation of people who disagreed with him was chilling to me.
looks like orange man was the revealing light, not only showed the corruption of government and media but also revealed how some of our "Great thinkers" are actually easily susceptible to cult indoctrination
Sam isn't a problem, there's a dozen more ppl like him willing to take his spot. The problem is people got a taste of progressiveness, and they completely forgot about the ground they were standing on, and they just keep pushing the boundaries, when they need to take a step back, and remember what got us here in this advanced society. It's a corrupt version of progressiveness. Destroy the idea, not the person.
"They're just talking to themselves. And claiming they know things they don't know." And the rest of that rant. Lmao the irony. Someone hold a mirror to this man!
This was remarkable . Sam Harris is no where near as smart as he has convinced the world he is. I have just watched his reputation as a great thinker disintegrate before my eyes. Well done Fransis and Konstantin for managing to stay on your seat and listen to this tripe . 👏
You are totally wrong about Sam. He's the one calm, well reasoned voice among many inconsistent screamers. And I don't believe all his opinions are true, but he at least tries to use consistent logic.
Sam Harris is very intelligent, but if you have never read Intellectuals & Society by Thomas Sowell I highly recommend it. Some of the most disastrous events in human history have been committed by people like Harris.
TDS really affects clear thinking. I know because I had it for about 6 months. The fact that a dummy like me could see though it and a "genius" like Sam is completely lost in the brain rot is just another little red pill to nibble on. Sam is completely lost at this point.
I've never been a huge Harris fan, but I've always found his quirky perspective to be a valuable addition to the IDW. This interview completely collapses any respect I have for him, however. His total lack of recognition of his own hypocrisy - and the sheer magnitude of his blind spots - are just stunning. I wont spend another minute on him.
I used to listen to him all the time but stopped because it seemed every discussion with him devolved to Trump. I have always wondered if I was being unfair but this interview tells me I was not mistaken, he has TDS.
I couldn’t believe everything he was saying. He doesn’t seem to be able to see himself honestly. He seems to think that he is superior intellectually than everyone else…I couldn’t even believe how he threw everyone in the “intellectual dark web” under the bus. just wow! Everyone deserves a bit of criticism but he basically called them morons which obviously they all are very intelligent people. Intellectuals like Sam always seem to believe that they are worldly and that everyone else is living in a small bubble of nativity but it is really them that that live in the smallest bubble. never exposing themselves to other people and other thoughts. he is as closed minded as one can be. I might believe strongly in what i believe but at least i can recognize how nothing is simple and understand how other people come to different conclusions without demonizing them. just wow!
@@topdog5252 All of his assertions about subverting democracy stem from the supposed "existential threat" Trump represented. No one believes that after 4 years of a Trump presidency, the system worked. Trump was held in check. ...but we're gonna suppress information about corruption in Biden because the "morons" might vote for Trump instead.
From exactly 1:11:06... peak wisdom for our times. The science of meditation literally saved my life, and Waking Up was my first steps forward. I'll always be grateful to Sam for that, and so much more.
so... about Intellectual honesty... which I consider being not only the most important trait in any personality, but to be absolutely above anything, the preceding prerogative to have in order to even participate in ANY discussion... so, I must applaud Sam Harris for publicly admitting that the 2020 Presidential elections had been unfair, that the political figures involved as well as the Democratic Party's colluding press knowingly cheated, and ultimately conspired to successfully alter the elections results. If you are intellectually honest, you must admit this, therefore all what followed, called "the big lye", etc, is just a bunch of BS... right?
Reading 10 books a day and being that naïve means he is reading so fast that he absorbed none of the information. It defeats the entire purpose of reading...
As someone who followed Sam's work when I was visibly younger, I was genuinely a bit sad the day I had an epiphany and realized he wasn't a gifted thinker. Sam became an intellectual celebrity by saying things about a few politically divisive issues, but in hindsight all Sam was doing was verbalizing what many of us were already thinking. Sam's real strength is his verbal acuity and we can't help but admire the way he expresses our own thoughts so eloquently. But when it comes to critical thinking and assessing more complex modalities, Sam's track record is abysmal. His view on religion as corrupt thought is laughable and unsophisticated. Similar to my own view on religion as an atheist in my late teens to early 20's. Sam's take on Trump's Presidency was MSNBC claptrap. Whatever you happen to think about Trump personally, Sam could never get past the caricature. Sam's attempt to get an ought from an is in The Moral Landscape was a failure by any reasonable intellectual measure and his take on Covid was downright pitiful. Anyone who even scratched the surface of epidemiology or virology or read an occasional study, knew our health establishment was captured by big pharma. Sam still can't admit he was objectively proven wrong on Covid because his left wing bona fides are too critical to his ego.
This seemed like a thoughtful criticism until you said "Sam's take on Trump's Presidency was MSNBC claptrap". You revealed yourself as a disgruntled MAGAt. That's what this is really about. Then you go on with the COVID conspiracy crap. Your assessment of Sam is seeped in dog shit.
I'm ashamed that I used to look up to this man. So many American atheists lost their shit when Trump was elected. Harris's justification for his Twitter ban is beyond fucking delusional, referring to it as a 'podcast'. He went from intellectual giant to a bitter and sad irrelevance. KK calls him out and then criticizes Trump for challenging the OBVIOUS election fraud. I'm just mad as hell now and can't watch anymore. Fuck them all. And I haven't even touched on his COVID stance.🤬🤬🤬🤬
Sam- We must have intellectual honesty about things we revile Also Sam - I was totally in favour of an intellectually dishonest conspiracy to prevent Trump being elected.
That was a telling line, unless he misspoke. I haven’t heard enough from him to be able to know if that’s really how he feels. Just based on this sit down, his hatred for Trump seems to be driving some of his logic.
He was this way in 2016. On Joe Rogan's Podcast he argued we should vote for Hillary because she was the Evil We Knew, and Trump was an Unknown. Think about that. That's when I lost respect for him. Glad more people are waking up. Sam is part of leftist tribalism 100%, he's just hidden it well for the most part.
The meditation section was the most interesting for me. Since I had CBT therapy and learned to let go of my anxiety, my head became far quieter and I stopped having so many negative thoughts.
@@ScottyHugefellow I don't know if the other guy will respond, but I've also had success with CBT, for anger management issues. They claim it can be used for depression, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug use problems, marital problems, eating disorders, and severe mental illness. I'd be a bit skeptical that it can be effective against the more severe problems but for mild to moderate mental health disorders it probably can be. CBT stands for "cognitive behavioural therapy" and the basic idea is to get to understand more about why you think the way you do before you actually do it. You look at patterns of thinking and feeling and try to interrupt them. You will often be asked to keep a journal, and then look back at instances where things spun out of control and you became very depressed or angry or whatever. Then you analyse the pattern of thinking and feeling that led to things spinning out of control. Often the idea will be to nip these thoughts in the bud so you don't go down the spiral, because it can be difficult to stop the feelings overwhelming you once you've started down the spiral, because your hormones come into play. For me, I found there were certain things that triggered my anger, and they were spread out over a few months but you could detect the pattern and then find a practical solution to them. So one thing that would set me off would be getting interrupted in the middle of work (I work from home) to go and have my dinner at 6pm. I found this was a pattern I hadn't seen before. Didn't happen every time, didn't happen that often, but the journal indicated there was a pattern. Simple solution was to set an alarm for 5:45pm every evening, and inform the wife that my work wasn't finished so I'd have to go back into my home office after dinner. Problem solved. If you keep spotting these patterns you can remove a lot of the emotional triggers. Another problem I found was that I'm too optimistic. I tend to believe it will only take me 3 hours to get to the airport, my kids can climb mountains at 7 years of age, my wife is happy with a 13 hour hike. Well it turns out that these things are not necessarily true and I need to reign in my optimism - if I don't things can go wrong and then people get angry with me and then I get defensive and then I get angry back, and I'm shouting at everybody. Nowadays I like to ask my pessimistic wife what she thinks first and then we will still do the activity but perhaps make the target easier to meet my wife's expectations and work from there. In my case I went to group therapy sessions organised by the NHS, but you can also find a counsellor. Alternatively there are self-help books which can work, depending on your condition. You don't really need to go to a psychologist for CBT, a trained counsellor will know how to apply the principles of the therapy. CBT is often taught alongside mindfulness. Mindfulness is like meditation without the Buddhism. The idea is to train yourself to clear your mind of all thoughts, or alternatively to focus your thoughts on one specific (and often pleasant) activity. So take CBT and depression, you might have thoughts that lead eventually to depression, and they are specific thoughts that come up time and again as shown in your journal. Now the therapist might suggest specific practical solutions to cure the real problem so it goes away. If you can do that, great. But what if you can't? Your mum's died and you miss her - you can't make that go away can you? So then the trick might be to accept you can't do anything about it and stop dwelling on the negative thoughts. Well that's where the mindfulness (meditation) comes into play - you learn to detect you are having negative thoughts of a specific type, then you say to yourself "I really don't need to be thinking about this again" and you push the thoughts out of your mind. It's a funny thing but practicing mindfulness exercises makes it much easier to push these thoughts out of your head, a bit like training your muscles to become an expert arm-wrestler. Mindfulness is also something a counsellor will likely go through with you, but there are plenty of audio exercises available online and I would suggest to anybody that they give them a go, even if you don't have mental health problems. Apart from anything else they teach you to savour the good times, as well as not dwelling on the bad times. I hope that helps. If you have any more questions, just ask and I'll see what I can do, but I'm not an expert on CBT I just know it can work.
Watching Sam squirm under literally no pressure from his friendly interviewers and have to constantly reframe every question frantically to suit his own narrative was very entertaining. Cheers lads!
Yes It's Sam's cognitive dissonance because of his irrational beliefs that he cannot logically defend without twisting himself into a pretzel He calls trump a fascist while approving fascist means to stop and censor him without really being able to explain why Stalin and Hitler actually killed people
It's embarrassing how easily he can be outmaneuvered. Intellectually honest my butt. Compare him to someone like Dawkins or the powerhouse Hitchens... Can you ever imagine either of those two squirming and constantly contradicting himself? Harris was riding the wave of those two giants into becoming a celebrity. Without them nobody would have any idea who Sam Harris even is.
Having heard much of Mr Harris but not watched him speak I was expecting a far deeper and considerate response to the issues raised - but I found him to be a classicly self-important intellectual who has formed his cast-iron opinions about things to the point that they are unquestionable, at least to his mind. Quite the reverse of someone like Jordan Petersen who, much of the time, shows humility by actually questioning himself and his conclusions. Disappointing.
Peterson is filled with crippling self-doubt, and that is what generally keeps him on the straight and narrow. Harris is filled with his own self-importance and thus gives no consideration for the possibility that he's deeply flawed.
Yeah I started noticing the same thing with Sam…he thinks his world view is simply perfect. I think more and more people are realizing this. A good example is him saying Twitter is toxic…uh where have you been. Then he says Facebook is better. In other words a dying company is better. He sounds stupid.
Peterson possesses greater knowledge in the area of history, has clear philosophical influences such as Nietzsche, and is concerned with the problem of evil, while I cant say the same about Harris. Sam Harris is one dimensional, irrational, has poor foresight , and lacks insight. I've lost a lot of respect for him at this point
Wow I completely lost any respect I had for Sam. He was just advocating for what he had been condemning Islam doing for years. That it is OK to oppress and subvert the will of the people if you think you know better.
This is such a pompous human being. To mock Christians the way that he does, and pass judgement on all religious people is so arrogant. This person thinks suppression of information is for the greater good of society, but isn't willing to go to the logical next step... Who will DICTATE the suppression of information? Within 1 or 2 generations, it will inevitably be a DICTATOR!! It's in the damn WORD!! And his certainty in his own ideas is shocking... almost religious!!! He is a complete fool with a high IQ, which, to me is inexcusable.
Good. We need less dummies in the supporter ranks. I count this instance as a valuable culling. He's not saying anything new or anything I didn't think at the time. You just don't understand nuance or detail because you're dumb. Good riddance. Stop following the guy, stay out of the dang comments.
I've been following Sam since the beyond belief: Science, religion, survival sessions. Since then I have listened to thousands of hours in total since I've listened to him for so many years. I agree with most of his perspectives and there presupositions like religion, human experience, etc. But... I noticed this about 3 years ago and a few months ago on his own podcast the solidified crystal of Trumpism was lain bare. Tho I see Sam as a person, it doesnt tarnish that what I do value of what I have learned, But it's incredibly dissappointing that Years of talking about honest and letting go of emotional control, to only see him just ignore all of that is dissappointing. On Religion, I agree with his core perspective of Humans having the capacity for knowing how to be better than our forebares via religion, But Jordan Peterson gives the practical perspective of humans devoid of connection of what human experience is, and that requires you to connect and listen from the lessons learned from the trials experienced of those in the past.
One of the great things that came of it is the hope it brings me to see so many people that can follow someone for so long and then disagree openly. Strong minds.
Same here. Props to Triggs. I may not see eye to eye with Sam Harris on this and that but his "Making Sense" podcast is one of a few I make a point of following, and buy books he and his guests recommend. He always coaxes me into thinking outside the box.
The Trump Twitter Ban is about capitalism vs Freedom. Sam Harris, Liz Cheney and others are in favour of laissez-faire capitalism while others are in favour of a well regulated free market.
"If you destroy democracy in the process of protecting democracy" - game, set and match. Bravo Konstantin. There should never be proper names in ethics and democracy. It is ethical or democratic for everyone, not only for the people we aprove of. Sam Harris let his personal dislike of a person cloud his thinking, which is unforgivable for a man of his pretensions.
How was democracy "destroyed" and they never even followed up. You just want any silly misinformation to be amplified to the ends of the earth when it's manufactured right before the election? All news orgs at the time (and especially with hindsight) knew the laptop story was suspect. At a minimum, you can't trace the chain of custody and integrity of the data let alone if it came from Biden. I forget exactly, but we had like, Rudy Juliana had copies of a disk from a blind guy who made copies off of a laptop that said "hunter" on it dropped off by a guy he could not recognize and has no footage of and had NO REASON to be digging through the laptop that had no encryption or anything and had **some** legit emails and stuff on it that could have been gathered and planted from other sources but we won't really know because they didn't ever release the hard drive info out to non-hyper-conservstive spruces to verify. It's the most transparent October surprise plant that intentionally to sway the election I could imagine.
Sam Harris is another reminder of how an intelligent, well meaning society can quickly dive into authoritarianism like Germany post WW1. Silencing the critics under jack boots for preferred political outcomes.
They felt threatened because they thought they would never have to compete for power again and now they're lashing out. The hatred we live under every day is palpable.
Welcome to the "HONEST FACE" of totalitarian Atheism . . . with the arrogant ignorance to think THEIR MORALITY is superior to all religious faiths that 6,000 years of Human History has evolved. His evil rationalizations are not very different from the NAZI rationalization to kill 6 Million Jews and millions of other so-called "inferior" people.
This is why I love long form interviews. As the saying goes, "give a man enough rope..." Thank you guys for letting him talk so he could show us who he really is. He's never going to live this one down.
@@theinngu5560 I dont think any honest person watching this that enjpys his content can continue to take him seriously. Now realize this is how ALL of the anti-trump politicians etc think. The ends justify the means to them.
It's a terrible thing to lose all flexibility of heart and mind like this. Clearly his character and conviction have not been strong enough to meet the challenges of our time. I am so sorry for us all.
His success was always with the support of the Jeffrey Epstein/John Brockman crew. This is what it looks like when they are getting desperate. Sam was deployed to the stage with his talking points. He lacks the subtlety of thought and speech that he used to have, back in the heady days of the Billionaires' Dinners.
Sam is getting so much hate in the comments I feel compelled to say that I admire his honesty and clear explanation of his position. I agree with his characterization of Trump, and whether his take on what should be done about it is correct or not is a matter of opinion. Disagreeing with some of his opinions does not completely invalidate the man forever after.
Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris couldn't agree on the meaning of "truth". Listening to Harris speak candidly makes it apparent that he was the wrong person to discuss truth with. I don't think he grasps truth or reality. Triggernometry let him reveal himself, well done.
When it comes to trumps Twitter ban, Sam is using libertarian free association arguments, which are fine, but he would never support those arguments in any other context. In reality, the government already says businesses can't discriminate against their customers, why would Twitter be any different?
Plus that Twitter is enjoying a legal liability shield from the government with section 230. If Twitter wants to take a political stance, by all means, but it has to renounce its status and privilege as a public carrier in that case.
Yeah, it's always been amazing how the left is for free association when it suits them and never are otherwise. I don't think the right is great consistently on this either, but at least has some among its ranks that are pretty solid (well the more libertarian among them at least).
Also, Twitter is publicly traded and receives tax breaks. At that point, the government does in fact get a say. Also, Sam can't reconcile how blogs, publishers, and social media platforms work or skirt around legal requirements.
@@cendrizzi the only ones consistent on free association are people who are openly against it (authoritarians, traditionalists etc) and anarchists (usually ancaps)
This needs way more views! This is a perfect example of the hypocrisy and insanity of TDS. Let’s protect democracy by destroying democracy because we don’t like such person.. doesn’t matter what voters want, we are too stupid to decide for ourselves so we must be saved by the self anointed ones..
This is such a pompous human being. To mock Christians the way that he does, and pass judgement on all religious people is so arrogant. This person thinks suppression of information is for the greater good of society, but isn't willing to go to the logical next step... Who will DICTATE the suppression of information? Within 1 or 2 generations, it will inevitably be a DICTATOR!! It's in the damn WORD!! And his certainty in his own ideas is shocking... almost religious!!! He is a complete fool with a high IQ, which, to me is inexcusable.
If one team in the "digital public square" keeps breaking the rules, I'm not going to feel like they are being unfairly targeted, I'm going to support the referees trying to make sure the game is played fairly.
It's not black and white though. On the one hand there is the "everyone equal before the freedom of speech law" principle and on the other hand there is the "but he caused the group-think wild "entrance" to the, so far, comparatively civilized and democratic government -problem and this is our own company" solution. Maybe it should be collectively discussed the criteria of these new public squares, even though they are private companies, and some legislation for the extreme cases. I don't know but this should be discussed. EDIT: or maybe legislation is a bad idea... for communist reasons, but some control is obviously necessary, and perhaps twitter should either develop better rules that they follow.
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No.
Not worth it.
That Hunter Biden Laptop story was an easy test of principle for sam and he failed it badly. The rest is just clever sounding rationalization for his own lack of principle on the issue. Next time he speaks of freedom of speech or freedom of the press, he ought to be laughed at.
That oughta be good lol
Trump has been living rent free in Sam's head for 6 years and has crowded out any rational thoughts. Sad and cowardly/sycophantic behaviour from interviewers with no pushback for utter tosh psychobabble Kamala style word salad. Trigger need to educate themselves about MAGA and have someone on to counter Sam's TDS or be found out as completely partisan. I suggest Steve Bannon or Jack Posobiec. I understand why Tim Cast blocked KK.
Watching your guys' faces as one of the most respected and internationally famous public intellectuals just breathlessly torches his own career in front of you is a sight to behold. Many didn't think he was this far gone, but great interview! You laid his beliefs bare. His new-found respect for Liz Cheney is proof he's willing to compromise even his most ardently argued ideas, for the sake of getting rid of trump. It's embarrassing to watch.
Actually he is 100% correct and you are in the cult. Silly snowflake
The Cheneys literally murdered the weapons inspector that blew the whistle on no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then went on to kill a million Iraqis but somehow this is all water under the bridge for phony philosopher Sam bitch face
💯 Bang on mate.
Amazing comment 👆👆
If you're still supporting Trump after all that's happened then nobody can help you.
You're officially living in a delusion.
I've been hearing a lot about Sam Harris recently and was curious about his views. Thank you, FF & KK, for saving me the trouble of investigating further.
I was thinking the same thing...heard much about him but not from him. I got through half of it (Trump stuff) then that was enough.
Finally, an ADULT GUEST in this show.
Sam does not pull any punches. Let the Trump fanatics toil in their misery. 🙄
@@pdcdesign9632 why spam the same comment everywhere? Pathetic.
I actually had a ton of respect for him, going back years. Wow. That was ugly.
@@Atomb same
The first line - intellectual honesty - so high and mighty and such lack of self awareness. Hypocrisy and smugness knows no bounds - Sam is the poster child for both. Thanks guys for providing the forum and asking the questions that leave no doubt as to his TDS and the lefts appetite to burn down very institution to achieve their goals.
For as much as Sam rails against religious people this dummy is as mind controlled as isis.
It was like watching a car crash, seeing in real time how badly that aged. Can't write this stuff
What’s he intellectually dishonest about?
@@Theactivepsychos Can pseudo-intellectuals be dishonest?
@@simpleton8073 you know anyone can be dishonest right?
Marcus Aurelius said” the noblest kind of retribution is not to become like your enemy”
The ends do not justified the means, otherwise you become as immoral if not worse than the person you’re criticising.
My follow up for Sam would have been: If twitter is a private company that only wants to publish info based on its bias and without consistent terms, why not lift its section 230 liability protection and treat it as a publisher?
Boom. There it is folks.
Yep. And I'm sure that has been an argument against him other times, but these lads are British, so they're not that familiar with the details I'd wager.
"Intellectual honesty" my bottocks. If he was intellectually honest, he'd bring that argument up himself and defeat it. Instead he strawmanned it as if the government would storm Twitter HQ with firearms and override the servers. That's never been the debate, ever. The only thing the government would do is say "Sure, go ahead and sue the platform that let [insert either Alex Jones fanatics, Ethnonationalists, BLM, Antifa, Trans activist lunatics, wokists, etc] harass you without stopping them in time.", and Twitter would be dead in a week.
My follow up would be ... But Tweeter is publicly traded company and is reimbursed from tax payer money ....
It is a publisher and the sooner it (and other sm) is treated as a publisher the better for society. Once you are capable of addressing the whole world the platform needs to be regulated.
If you have your demons you have your holies, blasphemy laws, agendas, narratives. Engines of propaganda and repression are clearly what all these lawless monopolistic platforms turned out as.
“When do you want to cease being angry so you can function intelligently” - wise words from you, Sam. When will you implement that advice?
Oh good. The eternal Spiderman finger pointing circle. Western Civilization's current mood.
How any sane person should read your comment: "Stop talking bad things about my Orange god ): "
@@Zerradable It's good to know that power and maintaining it is more important to you than speaking and maintaining truth. The truth isn't always comfortable, but to completely to deny it is pathetic. You have let your hatred of Trump literally inhibit your ability to think critically, as exhibited by your ridiculous comment.
-Sincerely,
Someone who never supported Trump
@@Zerradable you too suffer from TDS... Sad
Sam and his peers suffer from a massive case of folie a deaux.
He said the quiet part out loud...
These intellectuals dont care about democracy or your right to choose who governs you and Sam is doing some GIANT backtracking
Of course they don't care about democracy, because it means the plebs would be making the big decisions rather than just the enlightened intellectual elite. The same elite who think their position entitles them to rule on the lesser people's behalf as they see fit.
It's always a big shock for them to notice they really aren't superior to the layman or when the layman isn't as petty and stupid as they've convinced themselves to believe.
100%, they would rather we be ruled by so called "experts" than anything else.
Cognitive Dissonance is a helluva drug...
They think we are not smart enough to know who to vote for and what is right.
He is the perfect encapsulation of the arrogance and pomposity of these elite leftist.
I have more respect for corrupt charlatans like Biden and Clinton that I do for this arrogant dickhead.
Intellectuals are no more moral or immoral than anyone else. The difference is that they have a greater ability to rationalize their beliefs. And history shows us that we can reason ourselves towards evil quite easily, as in the case of communism.
Also their reach is much greater than the days of Socrates
OR fascism🤣
yup the belief comes first then the rationalization, for most people
@@shanewilson2484 Fascism is just another form of leftism like Communism. Absolute power of the state.
Bro I'm tired of people shitting on communism, people are the ones that become dictators, people are the ones that kills others, where in communism says that you have to kill your rivals? Communism is not perfect but you have to scape this western bubble the government try to keep us on.. look how diss-equal is capitalism, yeah be free to say what you want " not all the time thou" but be poor and work all day your entire life.
This was so eye opening. I had not realized how authoritarian a rational person like Sam Harris has become. I would have also asked "you talk about all this destruction and danger that Trump caused with his first term, can you give me some examples?" His absolute indifference for "anyone else" to have the reigns of power regardless of their corruption also shows how superficial his understanding is of alternatives.
Enforced objectivity and authoritarianism are cousins.
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else. This career ending interview proves he's very wrong.
He would put people in a camp.
Whose the NAZI now?
Dude thought that Trump being democratically elected would've been worse than children being raped...
I listened to every Sam Harris podcast, till his one on vaccinations, where he stated any of his peers who disagreed, challenged or critiqued the efficiency or outcomes of the new vaccine was either psychotic, schizophrenic or in some way mentally ill. That characterisation of people who disagreed with him was chilling to me. He also said on that podcast in this case he believed that other peers and professionals should be censored on media platforms if they disagreed because they pose such a danger to the population. I couldn't believe my ears after all the support he has been given to speak on sensitive issues. I discovered in that podcast the depth of his intellectual dishonesty and I didn't want to hear anything more of what he had to say.
an Icelandic study just came out that says the vaxed are MORE likely to get covid again than someone not vaxed
@@anonymoustoo4945 There is no way that Sam will take on any of the new studies and information that supports everything his very intelligent and professional peers warned about. His ego is too strong and unfortunately he's becoming quite a fundamentalist in his ideas.
@@Jack-jr1yv agree .. the most important thing one can learn is to let go of our ego .. he is wayyy far from that
@@anonymoustoo4945 his ego is his god.
It took you till *then* to realise his intellectual dishonesty?
Well, I'm glad you finally realised it, and at a crucial point in human history.
I'm so glad for this interview happening.
Letting Sam Harris talk is the best argument against claims of his wisdom.
Yeah, I think he did a lot to harm his credibility in this interview.
@@jeffk464 he's always been this way. This just exposes it to more people because it was about Trump and not religion.
Is this the product of a public intellectual? I think not.
Agreed. Holy shit this guy is beyond ridiculous.
Even the most "intelligent" minds can become deranged to the point of throwing away any moral common sense. Lost any respect I had for Sam.
Sam Harris. I'm very comfortable with the 'dark arts' of politics as long as it benefits the side i'm on.
For years I believed Sam Harris was right in The Moral Landscape in saying that we could divorce morality from religion. After seeing his rapid decline into authoritarian consequentialism, I believe he has become the personification of why his argument was flawed.
Truly, a horseman
Well said.
I haven't followed him closely for many years, but it seems from here that Sam is _still_ playing this '"high-priest of atheist nerds'" charade for as long he can ride it to the bank.
Nietzsche's _Genealogy of Morals (A Polemic)_ describes what Sam has failed to grasp; such as the absurdity of 'noble morals' in relation to religious (and consequently, secular) notions of compassion.
He has TDS and lives in a bubble. I don't believe the two arguments are related.
Yup, I used to call myself a "recovering Christian", and saw Harris (et al) as a safe haven for my position. Now, based on his incredible dishonesty, I've, once again, got to examine my beliefs.
Ironically, Sam Harris will be the cause of many folks turning to faith.
God Bless Triggernometry for pushing back against Sam Harris's BS and calling him out on his extreme bias and justification. That's why I am a fan and support these guys even though we may not agree on everything politically. I am on the conservative side of politics and they aren't, but I whole heartedly respect and appreciate this channel.
Why is it BS? All news orgs at the time (and especially with hindsight) knew the laptop story was bunk. At a minimum, you can't trace the chain of custody and integrity of the data let alone if it came from Biden. I forget exactly, but we had like, Rudy Juliana had copies of a disk from a blind guy who made copies off of a laptop that said "hunter" on it dropped off by a guy he could not recognize and has no footage of and had NO REASON to be digging through the laptop that had no encryption or anything and had **some** legit emails and stuff on it that could have been gathered and planted from other sources but we won't really know because they didn't ever release the hard drive info out to non-hyper-conservstive spruces to verify.
It's the most transparent October surprise plant that intentionally to sway the election I could imagine.
Also if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE WHOLE THING. He explains what he means and they say nothing, going straight to commercial 😂😂😂
I don't think they disagree.
I think they were too blown away by his blatant, articulate silver tongue......he was a bit "too much" for the trig boys. Not sure many people could push back on Sam. He is a piece of work. Love the philosophical spins that he does. His intelligence matters not, because he truly lacks wisdom of ANY kind
@@Ciph3rzer0 No, they clearly disagree, but they don't push back nearly enough because they don't want to get bogged down on one issue. It's not my show but I absolutely would rather hear them go deep on the one issue than just touch on many
@8GarretttterraG8 they are congratulating him for one podcast he did 2 years ago dude.
The lack of introspection Sam has is truly incredible. Imagine if Don Jr had a job on the board of a Ukranian gas company and there were leaked emails about cash "for the big guy" lol. Sam would have to start a new podcast series of 12 episodes to cover it.
Yeah but allegedly ripping off a few students is a far greater crime against America.
He doesn't need introspection since he's the model of rationality /s
This rambling, incoherent explanation for going against everything this country is founded on shows what happens when a great intellect is not grounded in morality and objective truth.
Well, to be fair to Sam, he does claim to be grounded in those two things. His entire career is based on attempting to articulate an objective morality. The issue is not his ostensible lack of morality or favor of objective truth, but his ego.
“Intellect is not wisdom.” “Some of the biggest cases of mistaken identity are among intellectuals who have trouble remembering that they are not God.” Dr. Thomas Sowell, a true genius.
[51:18] sums up this interview
The problem with intellectuals and other academically gifted people is that they think they are brilliant in all aspects of life and they think know better than everyone about everything: this is why they never develop and lack wisdom and self awareness.
@@jackspring7709 Nearly ALL are only gifted in a few aspects of life and TERRIBLE at the others.
@@espada9 Very true - and they all insist that they know what's best for everyone - sometimes with catastrophic consequences.
Great quotes that definitely sum up the dysfunction we’re seeing here.
I would like to thank sam Harris for his honesty here. He went full send here, and proved just how deep tds goes with these people. It was hot take after hot take, and just kept getting more ridiculous.
This wasn't honesty. We know that he wasn't trying to be honest but rather just slipped on a banana peel on camera. We know because he has tried to pretend that he never meant exactly what he just admitted in front of millions of people, that evil is justified when he side does it.
He said the quiet part out loud and got caught so now he's backpedaling to save his career, face, etc...
I agree. At least during the interview, he was brave enough to be honest. Now we know who he is and that is good.
Hot take after hot take and getting worse exactly my thoughts
I followed Sam for years and respected him. It is today that my opinion of him has changed. He and his line of thought is literally part of the problem and the reason why this country has had such a HUGE moral decline.
"You must elect MY candidate or you are a Nazi" and "everything done to stop the Nazis is ok by me"
@Joe and The Ho Gotta Go You think that's bad? I voted for Biden! I admit it, I was part of the problem. NOT ANYMORE!
Keep in mind the neoconservatives have the same mindset. Both the modern left and right advocate lying and misrepresenting the truth.
America is doomed unless enough people decide that the truth is important.
@@RenlangRen I see republicans are easily able to have a conversation whereas the left (any left) do not know how to converse.
If one side refuses to have a conversation it's all for nothing. I left the democrats. They supported my thoughts but gave no reasons. I was just a sucker....
Took you tell today?
I've become a hermit from most of social media. Hearing Sam talk about the state of current discord makes me feel confident in that choice.
It has turned a very stupid society extremely angry and even stupider.
I wouldn't trust Sam's opinion on how things are haha. he is totally triggered.
@@d3maccusYou're an idiot.
Social media is not reality and is an issue.
When Sam said Brett Kavanaugh was guilty because “he looked like someone who would do that”, I was done with him. His TDS made his entire “I’m the most critically honest person in the room” motif complete garbage. Totally exposed him as a fraud. And I used to LOVE Sam.
yes indeed
Yeah- hashtag me too. This is some EXTREME long haul TDS. Trump was president for four years, and not only did none of the doom and gloom predictions come to pass, but things actually ran pretty well. Good economy, ended the Korean war, Abraham accords, defeated ISIS, deescalated with Russia, energy independence and better border protection. We know Trump is an asshole, but he's effective. You're not having him over for dinner, so please judge based on policy, not personality. What harmful policies were passed that would have you overthrow the electoral process and abuse power to avoid?
Do you (or anyone else) know the time stamp for this?
I think calling him a fraud is unfair. I think he is genuine. He's just wrong to think it's ok to sacrifice principles to get rid of a person you don't like.
I agree. That was also the moment I understud there was something horrible wrong with Sam Harris.
Very well conducted interview. Hard to listen to due to the unabated TDS and heavy bias, but interesting nonetheless.
It really seems like Trump did something PERSONALLY to him. It's odd how his objectivity just goes out the window on anything Trump related. A real vendetta.
Yay Zuby 👋. Yeah, seems so personal. A weird grudge. He’s made a total tit of himself here
Quite phenomenal, where’s the evidence to show Trump is so much worse than Hunter?
I don’t understand how he can’t see past his own bias.
He's an intellectual elitist. I think he would be happy if a specific IQ or set of certain credentials were required to even run for the office of president of the United States.
I struggle to comprehend people, like Sam, who felt Trump is an existential threat. I just don't get it.
This is some EXTREME long haul TDS. Trump was president for four years, and not only did none of the doom and gloom predictions come to pass, but things actually ran pretty well. Good economy, ended the Korean war, Abraham accords, defeated ISIS, deescalated with Russia, energy independence and better border protection. We know Trump is an asshole, but he's effective. You're not having him over for dinner, so please judge based on policy, not personality. What harmful policies were passed that would have you overthrow the electoral process and abuse power to avoid?
Sam: Makes fun of God for a living.
God: Sends an orange clown to torment Sam for eternity.
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Awesome comment
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What will sam do when/if Trump wins in 24? It will be ......!?!
What exactly makes trump unfit to serve as president? Notice he never has any examples just broad generalizations. I believe Sam has suffered the worst case of TDS I’ve ever seen.
Sam Harris appears to be saying that people should be taken-out, by any means necessary, before they can ever run for political office, because he personally is the supreme judge of the Universe.
That is exactly what he is saying. And the hypocrisy of that coming from someone criticizing Islam, for saying it holds the ultimate truth, is through the roof.
His political opinion are worth more than yours so he can justify any lie to implement his politics.
His stupidity creates a massive arrogance.
@@LeutnantJoker easy to criticize medieval barbarians, even if they had no choice where they were born or what evil they were taught as children.
But Trump has already run for office. And he was trash. Yall are just slurping on his berries like he's your daddy, and can do no wrong.
@Manish Mims is there a video about them?
Sam: thank you for teaching me to be against the censorship that you now stand for.
This is extremely sad to me. I loved waking up the book and his free will book. He was always one of my favorite thinkers. He stood for free speech, stood next to hitch, and always brought forth rational & well thought out responses. However it seems as though covid and Trump broke his brain. He’s another victim. He took the stance of being pro-mandate and pro vax. He didn’t challenge the cdc & the sketchy data coming out. Further, It was so sad seeing him be pro-Censorship and be against freedom of information. he took the weird stance of “orange man bad no matter what” which can be seen in this interview.
Didn’t work too well for Liz either.
Was scrolling quickly, reading most comments and was waiting for someone sane to actually comment. I thought I was the only one who saw what you saw! I like to think my self as an independent mind, but Sam’s current views spew “hate the orange man, censorship is alright”
It has been so sad to see him completely lose it.
Agree. Use to love listening to Sam. He was a deep thinker. Maybe i'm wrong, maybe he is, but he doesn't seem to be standing back and thinking through these issues
I believe his late friend Christopher would offer him a well-deserved Hitch slap for this.
So sad to watch the man who I used to consider one of the brightest intellectuals of our time first praises himself for his intellectual honesty, and then proves exactly the opposite throughout most of the interview. Awesome work by F&K to allow him to do that.
How so?
He was never the brightest. He is one of the biggest scam worshipped by atheists
I don’t get what you mean.
Yeah they must have been shocked lol
Thought the same. His true colors are shining through.
Woof... the self importance of this guy is painful. Totally hear loud and clear how he is fine with the levers of power doing anything to secure an outcome he agrees with.
It's the exact opposite, he wants a person who obviously abused his power to be pu ished for it.
@@fuckwit6081 at any cost.
If you want to posit that his sole interest is justice for his abuse of powe,, then both you and he need to show me his demonstrated zeal at holding George Bush, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, The NSA, The FBI, The CIA, and The CDC, (to list a few obvious players) accountable for their demonstrated abuse of power and corruption.
As it stands all I see is someone willing to have power that is aligned with his politics and world view use that power in anyway conceivable to punish those he disagrees with.
Hardly a well thought out or acceptable position.
You weren't listening.
It just goes to show that you don't need religion to be blinded by ideology. It's sad to see the state Sam is in.
This is amazing. It's like he's not even the same guy!
I don't think atheism is exempt from becoming the basis for a religion. Once things get to the point of having an all-encompassing Grand origin story (GOS Evolution), which is taken to be THE TRUTH, religiously, I think it will operate as a religion.
@@johnknight3529 you may have misunderstood what atheism is. Atheism is the null hypothesis of the god question. If you were an atheist, you'd neither believe a god exists, nor believe a god does not exist. It's not an assertion on the god question, and it certainly isn't an assertion about evolution (?)
Atheism isn't necessarily the basis of a religion, but I will agree that there are a ton of people who are self-proclaimed atheists for very dogmatic reasons.
@@jmh31890 I don't see how it's even possible for it to be the basis of a religion. There isn't really anything one can deduce from the statements "There is no god" or "I'm not convinced there is a god". Whatever moral framework is formed needs to be based on additional assumptions.
@@martinm6368 those who misunderstand what atheism is such they assert "there is no god" and subscribe to it as dogma would be a solid foundation for a religion, from my perspective. Though, I guess then it depends on how you define religion and my usage of the word here is something akin to "dogmatic belief"
Edit: a word
Harris's biggest issue is arrogance. He is terrified of being wrong, (so wrong) on any given issue. His mind will go into a pretzel before accepting he was incorrect. You can tell everything about him from that "someone is wrong on the internet" meme. He has become a laughing stock.
And being that unable to admitting being wrong is exactly the opposite of intellectual honesty. Which makes his opening statements even more laughable.
Me and my gf are reading comments and she said: that must be a German!
@@tomghzel I'm Mexican. Your GF makes a lot of false assumptions... (Just like Harris does.)
@@tomghzel as a German I can attest that pretzels are awesome 👌🏻
@@LeutnantJoker Did you go to Stanford?
How can anyone accept this man's level of "Literally Joe Biden could have done ANYTHING and it wouldn't be worse than Trump" and still consider him a logical, non-corrupted thinker in the slightest? Sam Harris has sold his soul.
typical TDS sufferer.
Yes he has. What an ignorant fool he is.
Sam sucks
Yeah, he’s been completely unhinged on this stuff since 2015. Had to stop with his pods around ‘17 because in Sam’s mind, all roads lead to Trump.
How come Trump can't be criticized without Cons saying TDS? As if Trump has never done anything wrong in his life
To me this argument boils down to: do you allow someone to become president to ultimately destroy democracy or do we allow the scales to become tipped to ultimately save it. Interesting conversation all around
@@CommanderIrish Big assumption to make that Trump will ‘destroy democracy’ - especially as he showed no sign of doing so in his first term. It wasn’t him who concocted a fake collusion dossier in order to impeach and remove a democratically elected president. Hilary attempted a coup because she was so pissed she, the Anointed One’ didn’t get crowned Queen. Yet people think Trump is the problem??? Gobsmacking.
"Trump clearly violated Twitters terms of service, maybe not as written, but as Twitter should have had them."
... this is amazing, does he even hear himself speak?!
I burst out laughing at that point... I couldn't believe it - the ego of that statement, amongst other things!
He ONLY hears himself speak. That’s the whole problem.
The arrogance of intellectuals.
That statement, more than anything, jumped out at me, too. Extraordinary thing for him to say.
Doublethink on full display.
Sam’s case of TDS and arrogance led him to believe that his arguments were sound and that people would be on his side. He does not even see the blatant hypocrisy and authoritarian tendencies he now portrays. Thank you guys for letting him expose himself.
Calling Sam Harris authoritarian when you look at the authoritarian politics of the right wing is rather ironic.
@@darlenegriffith6186 Well he believes that its okay to control information so people vote as he wants because he knows better.
@@darlenegriffith6186 who have the republicans attempted to block from running in/winning an election?
@@darlenegriffith6186 listen sweet cheeks. I’m sure that made sense when you wrote it, but you seem to either have a misunderstanding of the word ironic or how to use it. Either way, I’ll pray for you.
#Trump2024
@@SvensktTroll Harris believes that private companies have the right to run their companies as they choose and enforce their terms of service. Trump started truth social as a new platform. He had every right to do so. In fact, he can do the hard work of building up his social network just like Twitter. There's no one being oppressed here and no one being silenced. It's just how capitalism works.
How can Sam square claiming all Trump supporters are psychopaths while also arguing for social engineering for the "greater good"?
Because he lives by "do good" instead of "don't be evil".
"The greater good" is dangerous. People believing in "the greater good" is too often ready to sacrifice the individual on their way. A Lot of the real evil stuff of history were done by zealots thinking they were serving something good.
Not much evil has ever been done by those who refuse to trample on the individual on their way.
He's evil and he likes it. That's why.
I think he meant Trump and Jones are the ‘psychopaths’ and the supporters are merely ‘morons’. Nice way to win friends and influence people/at least half the country hey!
@@veryverysaline3376 nothing screams objective as the exact dialouge trees I can find on reddit and twitter. Its almost as if leftists are not real people. They're literally NPC characters with the same programming.
When you have no firm grounding for your morality, and outright reject that a firm grounding exists, it's easy to dismiss your morality in favor of "the greater good" as you see it.
How can you condemn tribalism and egage in it at the same time?
Is Sam seriously this intellectually blind to his own ideas? I am genuinely jaw dropped listening to him stumble through answering these questions about Trump v Twitter.
Go watch his opinions on recent health mandates on locals. It gets worse.
He's trying to manufacture consent among the people on the behalf of the managerial class (the current order), to which he belongs. They are existentially threatened by Trump and the plebs (their purported service unit, as it were).
He's also not very good at it lol.
Trump may be a lot of things but as soulless as the current order, that he is not.
Go home.
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The two T's are total worthless garbage. That's how they are similar. We would be better off without them.
My nigga i was couldn't believe it either. #DAFUQ?!
@@thagomizer8485 no one will miss you.
You guys killed it with this interview. Sam is someone I have followed for many years. His reaction to Trump and the pretzel-twist justifications he makes for the whole thing --from Twitter banning to Liz Cheney--illustrates how no one, not even Mr. Reason himself, is immune to bad reasoning when it comes to ideological sacred cows. While I have heard his thoughts on this topic for many (too many honestly) hours, FF and KK got to the heart of his position better than anyone so far, even his own podcast. A stark reminder that we are all human.
Exactly. I was a big fan of Harris, especially in his "objective morality" phase. I was already colder when he went full on in the "meditation app" thing.
But here, in this interview, what really made my jaw drop was when he said that anything, absolutely anything, was better than getting Trump re-elected, and that anything done to that effect was justified. I never thought I'd see Sam Harris defending a "the end justifies the means" approach, especially to politics in a democracy. I am still dumbfounded by this.
I can understand his reasoning for saying that at the time, but then looking at the actual results of Biden's presidency... it doesn't give him any pause for thought? At all?
Doesn't matter how corrupt Joe Biden is, doesn't matter that his son and apparently every other senior democrat knows someone sitting on the board of a Ukranian oil company. Doesn't matter that we're now pouring tens of billions of dollars into supplying arms and ammunition to that very same country for them to wage a never-ending proxy war against Russia for us. Doesn't matter that said war and the economic sanctions (that have never worked in the past) are now going to lead to poor people and old people in Europe freezing to death this winter. Doesn't matter that over a hundred of million people in the third world are now staring down the barrel of starvation because Ukraine and Russia provided a massive proportion of the world's grain. Doesn't matter that agriculture all over the world is collapsing because Ukraine and Russia also produced a significant fertiliser...
At least orange man gone.
And he says Trump University was worse than anything Joe Biden's involved in. Last time I checked you can't draw a clear line between Trump University and a war.
@@daveh3971 100% agree. I'm not a Trump fan (I'm not even American). I remember the day he was elected (I was getting a surgery the same day) and how terrible was the feeling of seeing that moron as the chief of state of the most important country. But even during the 2020 elections, pretending that any means were ok to get rid of Trump is so incredibly against everything Sam Harris has defended his whole life, I still can't believe he says that.
And as you say, maybe he was overwhelmed by his fear/hatred/disappointment of Trump in 2020, but now, 2 years later, to still defend the same position is inexcusable.
@@thierry2720 Are you ok with Biden 'winning ' though?
@@alihenderson5910 No I'm not. Seeing Trump as president filled me with incredulity. Biden as president fills me with dread.
When I saw that the election was going to be between Trump and Biden, I thought 2 things:
1-That Americans felt they were stuck in a situation where they had to chose between these two was a very clear sign that democracy is dying in the US (don't take me wrong, it's the case in a lot of Western countries). The fact that movements like Unity 2020 were silenced and destroyed rapidly shows how both Reps and Dems don't care about democracy anymore.
2-But between the 2, I'd have chosen Trump. He's a moron, and certainly a misogynistic racist, but at least we knew what to expect from him : sheer stupidity. But with Biden, it was clear from the beginning he was a puppet. I mean, the guy is senile. So now he's president, the world has to wonder : who is actually governing the most powerful country in the world? I'm always a "better the devil you know" kind of guy, so I prefer transparent stupidity to secretive malevolence.
And again, we have our pile of bullshit over here in Europe too.
Sam’s defense of Twitter’s behavior is contemptible and reveals the authoritarian that he has always been from supporting eugenics policies and the war on terror in the past to his support of technocratic interference in elections today.
Perfect and to the point my friend.
what eugenics policies?
Yeah he essentially said if the people new the truth they will elect Trump again. Elites think they know what’s best for us better than we do
“War on terror” no the same as Trump !
Sam Harris is not the brightest bulb.
Great interview. I love it when interviewers give time to the interviewee to complete a thought and not try to show how smart they are.
Well done guys!
Yeah, yeah.
@@McD-j5r You are a plant pot
Konstantin is a master of this and not just in interviews. I saw him on a panel show with a climate activist. His master stroke was to simply let the other party talk and if they undo themselves so be it.
I don't think I've ever seen him less coherent and articulate. The cognitive dissonance is really gumming up his synapses.
It's kind of astounding how feeble he is now, having not listened to him for a few years.
He used to be so persuasive and clever that even on issues where I fundamentally disagreed with his stance, he would really make me rethink and struggle with those issues.
He sounds like a confused doddering old man now.
Hey hey don't talk like that of the POTUS! xD xD
I relate to this sentiment a lot. He comes off confused and emotional. He never sounded like that in the past.
@@andrews.5212 TDS ate up his brain. Sad
Covid brain fog?
The take on Hunter Biden and the dead kids was not even his worst take. That dubious honor belongs to his.....explanation...of why all the wokeness intensified right as Christianity collapsed in the west. It was the most meandering, poorly thought out, dear in the headlights answer i have ever heard him give.
Even Bernie Sanders said that kicking Trump, then still the sitting president, off Twitter, was a bad precedent to set.
Sanders had his moments.
@@Si_Mondo It's more like the moments where he failed were so monumental that they overshadowed his better moments. I still think that if it wasn't for that podium hijack, he would've been the Dem nominee against trump. That would've been very interesting to see and even more interesting if he'd won.
Alas, the podium was taken, Hillary was the nominee and Sanders fell in line.
What an interview! You guys have made one hell of an impact. Congrats to the Triggernometry crew.
Perfect amount of pushback. I would have been screaming at him so bad the best bullshit wouldn't have even been spoken.
@@tcorourke2007 exactly ..they are clever
What did they win?
44:25 he might as well be describing BLM and any number of leftist lunatics we all watched live over the last few years
"It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think"
Tom Sowell
The irony of this is a giant woooooosshhh
Massive respect to Konstantin & Francis for keeping their cool. This was really hard to listen to.
Omg- for sure!
I've subbed now because he had the balls to push back but also listen to what he has to say
Agreed, and hello fellow Arizonan! 😄
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Let Harris walk into his own deathtrap.
@@dereksbooks spot on
I love the body language of the hosts staring at Sam explain how the ends justify the means with regards to getting rid of Trump. It's almost shocking to hear Sam articulate such nonsense.
Sam said absolutely nothing wrong. Twitter should have banned trump years ago for violating their TOS and letting him spread disinformation and threats to violence.
My impression of what Sam said was if Trump as a candidate to presidency and actual president can spout conspiracies and blatant false information to gain and maintain his position, then why can’t the same be used against him. To me that sounds like a more fair and democratic society. In an ideal world everything would be based off merit and truth, but that’s not how it works, even more so in politics
@@joebaker7788 Sam says Trump University is WORSE than the "plausiable" corruption of a sitting vice president and now president getting money from the CCP.
That's besides the ch!7d p0rn, drug use, etc on his laptop AND the corruption with Ukraine.... you know... the country rhe US is sending BILLIONS of dollars and worth of military equipment to
Harris is a douchebag who admits he wouldn't care if hunter biden had buried children. That is about as low as it gets .
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Trump living rent free in his head.
…back for more.
Sam Harris claimed that Trump’s first term was “bad” and a second Trump term would be “worse”.
I am a simple man, not a famous writer and intelectual. The Trump economy was very good for me and millions of middle class Americans and sans Covid, there is every reason to believe that a second Trump term would have been just as good.
Instead, we are mired in the worst economy in the United Sates since Jimmy Carter’s. I am probably going to have to work an extra five years at minimum because Sam Harris and people like him were scared. He and the people like him have subjected us all to a fate worse than scary Tweets and now this cabal, because it is NOT a normal administration (if you believe Biden is the actual President then you haven’t seen so much as one of his public appearances) . Record inflation, spikes in crime, impossible to find housing , lingering supply chain problems, etc. Things are not going well under this administration and they are getting worse. People are struggling and all because they were scared of his Tweets.
Spot on. I'm not American but I don't get how anyone still can pretend that Biden was better than Trump in any way (or in fact that Trump was bad to begin with)...
You forgot to mention the botched Afghanistan withdrawal that cost 13 Marines and hundreds of locals their life and left billions worth of war machinery to the Taliban. Or the fact that we have a war in Europe under Bidens watch. While Trump stood for global military disengagement and peace efforts (Abraham Accords, meeting Kim Yong Un and successfully deescalated on the Korean peninsula)..
The USA was objectively better off under Trump than it is under Biden. The world was better off with Trump calling the shots. Biden has been a disaster. I don’t know what Harris is talking about. For someone who claims to value reason and logic, he doesn’t seem to care much about numbers and statistics, or objective reality.
Sam doesn't care about any of this. He's too rich to care about the cost of groceries or oil. These are working class concerns that out of touch elitists like him do not understand. He and Bill Maher wanted an economic collapse to get rid of Trump. See how much they care about the actual sufferings of real people?
I agree that you're a simple man. You can thank Obama for the good economy, not that you will dream of doing any such thing. The economy is adding jobs at a record rate and inflation is going down. I respectfully suggest you pull your head out of your ass and look at the real situation, not the fever dreams they give you on Fox News.
But what you are failing to realize is that the 2 years BIden has been in office have little to nothing to do with the ebbs and flows of a global economy. You'd have a stronger argument levying your criticism against Trump, or Obama, or Bush, or better yet...Reagan's administration, which mortgaged all of our futures on asinine economic theory.
Sam Harris, one of the people I've been following for years because of his intellictual honesty, courage and brilliancy suffers from TDS to the point where he breaks away from all of the things that I've admired him for. And I don't like Trump either. To borrow the idiom, Donald Trump lives rent free in Sam Harris' head.
They even gave him an opportunity to stop talking about the Orange man in this interview but he couldn't do it, he had to tell them that Orange man bad.
I'm the same. I'd definitely vote Republican but I know Trump isn't an Angel but I genuinely used to respect Sam but I genuinely don't think anybody suffers worse from TDS than Sam Harris.
It's just ruined him. He hates Conservatives and most of the left. . hate *him*. So he's in no man's land.
Now I only hear of him when he's having another outburst like a few days ago he made a post like 'And then they took our Nuclear Secrets home and still I did nothing' after some lefty rag reported the FBI raided Trump for Nuke secrets, that went semi viral. 3 hours later it turned out to be fake. Does Sam take these down? Of course not. He allowed his audience to froth and boil over it and then moved on. This weekend those people will tell their friends how Donald Trump stole the Nuclear secrets... and on it will spread.
I can't have respect for a man who calls himself a great thinker but falls, EVERYTIME, for the complete tosh the mainstream Liberal media put it out. Even though its shown to be lies TIME AND TIME AND TIME again.
You lost it Sam. All because of your Ego.
@j4Rose He lost me when he threw one of his biggest allies under the bus (Bret Weinstein) by having multiple podcasts solely devoted to attacking Weinstein's views on the pandemic while also refusing to have a single conversation with him about it. He supposedly found Weinstein's views so dangerous that he couldn't give him an audience to discuss them. I don't know if it was Trump that broke him mentally, the pandemic, or both, but he's lost himself.
The deal with Harris is he fools people with his calm seeming demeanor and tone of his voice. He’s Always been a hypocrite and basically full of shit it’s just that it took bigger societal issues for him to be exposed. For instance, when he was selling everyone the so called “Atheist” movement pretending logic and reason he was and still is in reality a rabid Anti-Theist! People Need to listen to what he actually says more closely. For example hawking “meditation” is still his hidden inner anti theism coming through and listen to how he equates the mind with “code” and “software” etc etc. yet his soft tone still fools so many when he’s anything but calm and rational and unbiased. He’s an ideologue pretending not to be an ideologue!
Ditto.
I used to watch this guy in school being a snarky atheist, then slowly became intellectually alienated from him
Well the snarky Atheist will always shift over to the next figurehead, without ever having to acknowledge that they were publicly wrong about something. Reminds me of Catholics who protected abusive priests.
@@TOUGHEYES I can't speak for your experience, of course, but in America the % of pedophiles in public schools is greater than the percentage in the Church. On the merits, you're right, The Catholic Church owns a number of monasteries on rocks sticking out of the North Sea and could have put all the pedo priests in those... but literally nobody understood that these guys can't get better at the time.
Hopefully you've dropped the snarky athiest part too. It can be healed with maturity and time.
Johann - Does that mean that you are now a theist,? Or are you an atheist who chooses not to be snarky? Or something else entirely?
@@TOUGHEYES brutal!
I feel like I've done this all my life but I am constantly playing "Devil's Advocate" with myself in my head. Sounds sad but it's important to how I process what is going on in the world.
kudos. Having insight and self reflection about ones opinions and beliefs is incredibly important imo. We should all be more like you.
The long winded, sanctimonious way Sam answers questions makes me think that he now sees himself as some sort of deity. Like his views are so perfect and beyond question. Brilliant interview that exposed Sam’s intellectual dishonesty in such a clear and unambiguous way.
He absolutely does.
Exactly.
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I love the way they just let him talk. Never seen Sam as flustered as he is at 37:45. Its like you can see him recognizing how insane what he said was, but his ego doesn't allow him to fully acknowledge it.
@@walteryoung3056 exactly. Gave him enough rope and he just kept going
You know it's gonna be a good interview when Konstantin says "that's a good answer, but that doesnt quite answer my question", at the very first question lol.
I love these guys, saw them on Rogan, just loved their personality on the show. And seeing their show they're just great interviewers, it's kinda like the closest thing we have to good journalism rn, just not taking a biased approach, letting someone talk and if they slip up on their own accord that's on the interviewee not the interviewer. (Its not investigative reporting, but it's just taking an unbiased approach to literally everyone, and that's something that's been lacking alot today).
In the second half, I think it comes off quite openly that Harris can't reflect on his own statements, and how when he brings up Black Lives Matter, he's isn't critical of the religiosity of it at all. He doesn't even have the self awareness to be critical of its founder robbing millions to fund her mansions.
I have never seen someone who actually tries to act like he is being rational and is totally irrational It is insanity
It’s very common for irrational people to act like they are rational
we have a name for them, "douche"
@@karmichaelblue OP's point is that people usually aren't that good at acting rational
Almost everyone on the planet who is behaving irrationally thinks and acts as though they are being rational.
😂 perfectly said. The insane are running the asylum.
Intellectual honesty... which I consider being not only the most important trait in any personality, but to be absolutely above anything, the preceding prerogative to have in order to even participate in ANY discussion... so, I must applaud Sam Harris for publicly admitting (from 24:30 on, but especially from 37:00) that the 2020 Presidential elections had been unfair, that the political figures involved as well as the Democratic Party's colluding press knowingly cheated, and ultimately conspired to successfully alter the elections results.
Kudos to Konstantin for not letting him get away with those remarks without calling him out. Well done!
More than afraid to be wrong he is afraid to acknowledge his emotions. His reasoning came from a hysterical place during this interview
I wish they would have challenged Harris more.
Did ask a good question but why did he say f..k the children? He should have addressed that too.
@@darlenes5406 I think they know how delicate little Harris is. They were like ants helping a peony bloom to open.
We have the rest of Sam Harris' life for him to be challenged on his assholery.
We will be entertained!
@@AbiNomac I think he knew Harris wanted red herring to be addressed rather than the heart of the matter.
Too many people have inflated this guys ego for years by telling him how smart he is.
He's undeniably smart on some topics, but has pretty severe personal biases that allow him to sit there and contradict himself like this. It's actually hard to watch someone being so smug in their delusions of grandeur and cognitive dissonance.
He is not smart, he is intelligent (or something in that way). He knows a tomato is a fruit, but he doesn't know not to put it in a fruit salad.
He's not smart. He's just capable of parroting clever sounding bollocks.
@@lucasley20 I noticed his voice and pacing was the same when saying retarded and nasty things.
@@racheljames7 you don't get a PhD in neuroscience by being a half wit. Unfortunately intelligence does not protect you against being emotional or irrational. Basically being human.
And if you know anything about projection, your observation points to why he despises Trump so much.
This guy is utterly psychotic.
I’ve never held against Harris being born into hundreds of millions of dollars, thus allowing him to engage in utter idolatry and frivolity and self serving nonsense with no fear of starving.
That was a terrible mistake on my part.
You are not alone... it's like he microwaved his head but somehow retained that pompous tone and manner of speaking.. he sounds soooo high on hearing his own voice.. the introduction they gave didn't help, however it may have been strategic in order to lower his guard completely.. I like how the hosts talk very little, do not lead and just let their guests go on about themselves
He basically sounds like any British toff too :- conceited, narcissitic, vainglorious.
@@mark4asp an utterly apt comparison given the UK's track record of defending pedophilia and child abuse.
@@FolstrimHori and the us government as well as the entire democrat party embracing grooming and pedophilia
yep … he has NO IDEA what it feels like to be a normal American … he is textbook left/commie
Sam never answering a question is one of my favorite past times. He only gets better by the day. How did I miss this classic? Oh, it said Sam Harris in the title.
I've been a huge fan of Sam Harris for the last 15 or so years , my introduction to him was the end of faith book, excellent read.
it's amazing this conversation with you guys has really changed my opinion of him, he's Tds is tiresome, it's the blatant hypocrisy that I cannot take from him any more, he is happy to have he's enemies silenced and he's own free speech endorsed, if that isn't authoritarian thinking what is.
That same exact typography is why the end of Facebook is absolute trash. Go back and read it with this man's intellectual dishonesty in mind, and see if that challenges you at all. And by challenges you, I mean is that book still a valid argument? Again, take into account how intellectually dishonest this man has exposed himself to be, and reread that book and tell me it has valid arguments.
I used to be heavily leftwing and militantly atheist. Looking back, these "four horseman" of atheism have a very naïve LITERAL perspective on religion. I respect their intellects (some of them) but they missed the point and never once asked themselves what religion was adapted for. Religion was designed for social cohesion, traditions, celebrations, and community - usually by means of parables about morality, philosophy, and culture (memes - in the truest sense of the word). Cultural collapse and the fall of religion and intertwined. It follows that a country of people that don't follow similar beliefs on basic principles such as morality, justice, and metaphysics won't get along and will begin tearing at the seams. We're tribal and territorial animals, but now our tribes are divided politically instead of philosophically, and this doesn't work.
What annoys me most about Dawkins is he understands the concept of 'memes' but never applies it to religion because he's so distracted by a literal interpretation of one holy book. It's like reading Lord of the Rings and pointing out to fans that Hobbits aren't actually real, so Frodo's sacrifice and Sam's loyalty are not worth any consideration.
I agree that Sam Harris's opinions on religion are utterly worthless. His arguments sound great while he is speaking but fall apart when criticized because he just gets too many key facts wrong. These include both historical facts and facts about how religious thought works. Most of the "facts" he finds damning are just assumptions based on his prejudices. He has too much contempt for religion to offer a balanced and well-informed criticism.
the facade crumbled, at least for me, after the 2016 us election. he would go on deranged tangents about trump when the podcast had nothing to do with him.
So for 15 years you've been listening to this obvious fraud? NOT ONCE did I ever consider Sam Harris intelligent. He is not! He's a feeble-minded fraud, and was 15 years ago... I promise you!
Man, this really highlights how much of a grifter hack Sam has been for quite some time. Glad so many people are seeing this.
He is so steeped in TDS I have suggested he must have been the 'smart person' that wrote the book of anti-Trump talking points that all the smart people faithfully repeated. Sam's pain of rejection by the masses has evinced a definite hatred toward Trump supporters. He would make for a great District Court Judge in DC.
Me too
He’s literally the opposite of a grifter, if he was, the nature of this comment section would be entirely different. He’s too convinced of his own virtues to grift.
@@laxjs ok, then he’s a bad grifter, but believing it’s good to rob me.....
Doesn’t help buddy 😂❤️
@@laxjs Meh, a grifter can always try to sell something so outlandish that they fall on their face.
Sam Harris is correct. He is well within his right to destroy his own reputation.
Hahaha!! XD Amen... What a privilege...
39:14.
The system is corrupt.
So it is morally defensible to subvert the democratic process to ensure the candidate you approve of is given power over the person you disapprove of.
Not anti-democratic ... much.
The look on Konstantin and Francis' faces when it cuts to them after he says, "Liz Cheney has no bigger fan than me" says it all.
As a Wyomingite, I can say it showed how he lacks any awareness of the little people.
I see nothing surprising about Sam Harris holding in such high regard the daughter of and aspiring warmonger and war criminal herself, Liz Cheney. That the Cheneys are now the darlings of the supposed left is evidence to me that we are actually living in a simulation and whomever is in charge of it is really fucking with us now.
My respect for Sam Harris had been waning in recent years.
This interview was the final nail in the coffin.
Bye.
@@mikemorenilla7444 Clown
@@dynamicflashy mature of you
I’m sure he cares about that as much as I do…
For what it's worth, I never had any. He's the model of a militant atheist: shallow, acerbic, arrogant and morally myopic.
Can't believe I once admired Sam Harris. His complete lack of any self awareness is breathtaking
His smugness screamed GRIFTER! at my first exposure.
yep don't you feel sheepish haha
Saw him as a hack of sorrs several years ago. He's been high on hia own flatulence foe quite sometime.
i always knew he was a shmuck
@@wizard4203 I'd say I'm more gullible than sheepish
This should be called "Not... Making sense with Sam Harris"
The contempt in Sam's eyes when Francis challenged him said it all.
What was timestamp
Yeah whats the time stamp on that?
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@@testudo2185 I guess around 37:37
I don't see it. I did notice that there's absolutely no soul in his eyes though, much less a conscience.
This is how the vast majority of activists think and view themselves, and honestly, it's refreshing to hear at least one of these utterly immoral pieces of excrement say the quiet part out loud for once.
The inevitable auto-destruction of Moral Relativism.
Finally, an ADULT GUEST in this show.
Sam does not pull any punches. Let the Trump fanatics toil in their misery. 🙄
At least he's not saying we should legalize torture like he did in the Bush years.
@@pdcdesign9632 Yes, the adult guest who openly advocates for subverting democracy because Trump was an existential threat...despite 4 years proving the contrary. The American system worked, he was held in check. But we'll openly conspire to suppress information about corruption in his political opponent because the plebs might not vote the way I want.
Agreed
I used to love this guy. He goes to show however; no matter how intelligent you are; no matter how good your reasoning abilities.. if all the information you consume is corrupted you will be wrong about everything. At some point, it is definitely his fault. He pretentiously filtered his information to only come from sources that an elite person such as himself should consume. Anyone who wasn't part of the MSM was just an 'internet goon" and therefore could be dismissed without any consideration. His world view is now built on so many lies; he seems insane.
Ok. Take what you said and turn it on yourself. How do you know that's not what you did?
Most Magapedes turned to complete unreliable commentary "news entertainment" sensationalizing content with no editorial control and Facebook and internet memes from high control groups as "truth" and never fact checked any of it.
Tell me that's not you.
@@Ciph3rzer0 Well for one, the people/groups I was listening to turned out to be right about many things. I was getting exposed to MORE context, not less than those simply listening to the deliberately de-contextualized media narratives.
For example, I knew back in 2016 that the whole Russia/Trump narrative was likely JUST a Clinton campaign strategy that the establishment decided to pick up and run with. It was in the wikileaks (which people like Sam would have no idea about because the media would not be going to talk about it). Right about the time that the media started running with baseless Trump/Russia stories; there was the leaked email exchange between Clinton campaign staff about trying to tie Trump to Putin. Over the next couple of years, more and more evidence came out from groups like Judicial watch (who actually sue the government and get documents) that were revealing the ties between the completely false Steele dossier, the Clintons, and the laundering of it into the DOJ through the husband of one of Fusion GPS employees. It showed the FBI at the highest levels were corrupt, that they hated Trump and wanted to fix the wrong 2016 result. That they knew the Steele dossier was full of bullshit; but they used it anyhow as the backbone for lying to the FISA court to get spy warrants for people within Trumps campaign.
All of this information I knew years ago and I hope by 2022 you at least have some vague acceptance that the whole Trump/Russia collusion narrative and investigations for years and years were NOTHING but bullshit. People like Sam (and perhaps you by your condescending tone) were never exposed to any of this information because the media he was drank were in on the "get Trump" bandwagon the whole time.. evidence be damned.
I'd suggest to you that his reasoning abilities may have never been that sharp.
Or more popularly said: 'deranged'
You obviously don’t have a clue about him then. His own podcast is full on people outside the mainstream and from all political view points. Sam just finds that deceit is the number one threat to democracy and trump was personal deceit on top of professional deceit on top of commercial deceit on top of political deceit. There’s zero you could say to trump to change his mind.
Thank you, TRIGGERnometry. I remember now why I quit listening to Sam Harris. Thumbs up!
Never ever have i felt this appalled. Mainly with myself for misjudging Sam Harris this badly. This is literally sickening.
Holy shit me too
I realised last year when he did a podcast on vaccinations and claimed any of his peers that had any critique or disagreement with the vaccine and its roll out was either psychotic, schizophrenic or somehow mentally ill. That characterisation of people who disagreed with him was chilling to me.
looks like orange man was the revealing light, not only showed the corruption of government and media but also revealed how some of our "Great thinkers" are actually easily susceptible to cult indoctrination
@@Jack-jr1yv Damn, that had actually left my memory hole, but came back now. He's truly gone mental
Same. I’m literally puking in your mom’s toilet bowl because I’m so literally sickened. Literally.
I have to add: Sam is now officially part of the problem, not the solution.
Sam isn't a problem, there's a dozen more ppl like him willing to take his spot. The problem is people got a taste of progressiveness, and they completely forgot about the ground they were standing on, and they just keep pushing the boundaries, when they need to take a step back, and remember what got us here in this advanced society. It's a corrupt version of progressiveness. Destroy the idea, not the person.
@@salvatoriom7422 agreed and well put.
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Can anyone sum up what happened for someone (me) who's lazy/busy to watch this today?
@@davidabkk Actual Justice Warrior has a pretty good analysis on it
"They're just talking to themselves. And claiming they know things they don't know." And the rest of that rant. Lmao the irony. Someone hold a mirror to this man!
Sam likes to hear himself talk.
Don't watch then
Same. Me too.
This was remarkable . Sam Harris is no where near as smart as he has convinced the world he is.
I have just watched his reputation as a great thinker disintegrate before my eyes.
Well done Fransis and Konstantin for managing to stay on your seat and listen to this tripe . 👏
You are totally wrong about Sam. He's the one calm, well reasoned voice among many inconsistent screamers. And I don't believe all his opinions are true, but he at least tries to use consistent logic.
Sam Harris is very intelligent, but if you have never read Intellectuals & Society by Thomas Sowell I highly recommend it. Some of the most disastrous events in human history have been committed by people like Harris.
TDS really affects clear thinking.
I know because I had it for about 6 months.
The fact that a dummy like me could see though it and
a "genius" like Sam is completely lost in the brain rot is
just another little red pill to nibble on.
Sam is completely lost at this point.
or,,,,youre in a cult and dont see it
or maybe if you think the hunter biden laptop has anything to do with Joe Biden then you are not as smart as you think you are?
I've never been a huge Harris fan, but I've always found his quirky perspective to be a valuable addition to the IDW. This interview completely collapses any respect I have for him, however. His total lack of recognition of his own hypocrisy - and the sheer magnitude of his blind spots - are just stunning. I wont spend another minute on him.
I used to listen to him all the time but stopped because it seemed every discussion with him devolved to Trump. I have always wondered if I was being unfair but this interview tells me I was not mistaken, he has TDS.
Another comment lambasting h without a single example why. Tell us why he is so wrong on one of his points! I’m not seeing it
I couldn’t believe everything he was saying. He doesn’t seem to be able to see himself honestly. He seems to think that he is superior intellectually than everyone else…I couldn’t even believe how he threw everyone in the “intellectual dark web” under the bus. just wow! Everyone deserves a bit of criticism but he basically called them morons which obviously they all are very intelligent people.
Intellectuals like Sam always seem to believe that they are worldly and that everyone else is living in a small bubble of nativity but it is really them that that live in the smallest bubble. never exposing themselves to other people and other thoughts. he is as closed minded as one can be. I might believe strongly in what i believe but at least i can recognize how nothing is simple and understand how other people come to different conclusions without demonizing them. just wow!
@@topdog5252 All of his assertions about subverting democracy stem from the supposed "existential threat" Trump represented. No one believes that after 4 years of a Trump presidency, the system worked. Trump was held in check. ...but we're gonna suppress information about corruption in Biden because the "morons" might vote for Trump instead.
Well said. He is a fraud.
Sam Harris did a fantastic job of reminding me why I can't stand him. Arrogant, condescending and blind to his own confirmation bias.
Cant take criticism? you are weak
To Lightmare: You read my mind. Well said. ❤️🇺🇸🙏
From exactly 1:11:06... peak wisdom for our times. The science of meditation literally saved my life, and Waking Up was my first steps forward. I'll always be grateful to Sam for that, and so much more.
Almost god like, right? Lol!
so... about Intellectual honesty... which I consider being not only the most important trait in any personality, but to be absolutely above anything, the preceding prerogative to have in order to even participate in ANY discussion... so, I must applaud Sam Harris for publicly admitting that the 2020 Presidential elections had been unfair, that the political figures involved as well as the Democratic Party's colluding press knowingly cheated, and ultimately conspired to successfully alter the elections results. If you are intellectually honest, you must admit this, therefore all what followed, called "the big lye", etc, is just a bunch of BS... right?
Sam is a great example that reading 10 books a day doesn't mean shit you can still form incredibly deranged ideas
Very true.
Do you want to buy a bridge?
Absolutely right.
I don't think anybody thinks reading 10 books a day necessarily makes you anything but a rabid reader.
Reading 10 books a day and being that naïve means he is reading so fast that he absorbed none of the information. It defeats the entire purpose of reading...
As someone who followed Sam's work when I was visibly younger, I was genuinely a bit sad the day I had an epiphany and realized he wasn't a gifted thinker. Sam became an intellectual celebrity by saying things about a few politically divisive issues, but in hindsight all Sam was doing was verbalizing what many of us were already thinking. Sam's real strength is his verbal acuity and we can't help but admire the way he expresses our own thoughts so eloquently. But when it comes to critical thinking and assessing more complex modalities, Sam's track record is abysmal. His view on religion as corrupt thought is laughable and unsophisticated. Similar to my own view on religion as an atheist in my late teens to early 20's. Sam's take on Trump's Presidency was MSNBC claptrap. Whatever you happen to think about Trump personally, Sam could never get past the caricature. Sam's attempt to get an ought from an is in The Moral Landscape was a failure by any reasonable intellectual measure and his take on Covid was downright pitiful. Anyone who even scratched the surface of epidemiology or virology or read an occasional study, knew our health establishment was captured by big pharma. Sam still can't admit he was objectively proven wrong on Covid because his left wing bona fides are too critical to his ego.
Damn you nailed that
There's no caricature to get past. Trump really is the buffoon that he sounds like, looks like, and acts like. It's that simple.
This seemed like a thoughtful criticism until you said "Sam's take on Trump's Presidency was MSNBC claptrap". You revealed yourself as a disgruntled MAGAt. That's what this is really about. Then you go on with the COVID conspiracy crap. Your assessment of Sam is seeped in dog shit.
I'm ashamed that I used to look up to this man. So many American atheists lost their shit when Trump was elected. Harris's justification for his Twitter ban is beyond fucking delusional, referring to it as a 'podcast'.
He went from intellectual giant to a bitter and sad irrelevance. KK calls him out and then criticizes Trump for challenging the OBVIOUS election fraud. I'm just mad as hell now and can't watch anymore. Fuck them all.
And I haven't even touched on his COVID stance.🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Sam- We must have intellectual honesty about things we revile
Also Sam - I was totally in favour of an intellectually dishonest conspiracy to prevent Trump being elected.
Democratically elected *
once again YT won't let me see the reply to this comment, that's intellectually dishonest by them.
@@SMacCuUladh youtube are the real fascists
That was a telling line, unless he misspoke. I haven’t heard enough from him to be able to know if that’s really how he feels. Just based on this sit down, his hatred for Trump seems to be driving some of his logic.
He was this way in 2016. On Joe Rogan's Podcast he argued we should vote for Hillary because she was the Evil We Knew, and Trump was an Unknown. Think about that. That's when I lost respect for him. Glad more people are waking up. Sam is part of leftist tribalism 100%, he's just hidden it well for the most part.
The meditation section was the most interesting for me. Since I had CBT therapy and learned to let go of my anxiety, my head became far quieter and I stopped having so many negative thoughts.
It doesn't appear to be working for Mr Harris....
Id like to ask what CBT therapy is though pease feel free to disregard this question entirely, I would like to ask you since you found success with it
@@ScottyHugefellow I don't know if the other guy will respond, but I've also had success with CBT, for anger management issues. They claim it can be used for depression, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug use problems, marital problems, eating disorders, and severe mental illness. I'd be a bit skeptical that it can be effective against the more severe problems but for mild to moderate mental health disorders it probably can be.
CBT stands for "cognitive behavioural therapy" and the basic idea is to get to understand more about why you think the way you do before you actually do it. You look at patterns of thinking and feeling and try to interrupt them. You will often be asked to keep a journal, and then look back at instances where things spun out of control and you became very depressed or angry or whatever. Then you analyse the pattern of thinking and feeling that led to things spinning out of control. Often the idea will be to nip these thoughts in the bud so you don't go down the spiral, because it can be difficult to stop the feelings overwhelming you once you've started down the spiral, because your hormones come into play.
For me, I found there were certain things that triggered my anger, and they were spread out over a few months but you could detect the pattern and then find a practical solution to them. So one thing that would set me off would be getting interrupted in the middle of work (I work from home) to go and have my dinner at 6pm. I found this was a pattern I hadn't seen before. Didn't happen every time, didn't happen that often, but the journal indicated there was a pattern. Simple solution was to set an alarm for 5:45pm every evening, and inform the wife that my work wasn't finished so I'd have to go back into my home office after dinner. Problem solved. If you keep spotting these patterns you can remove a lot of the emotional triggers. Another problem I found was that I'm too optimistic. I tend to believe it will only take me 3 hours to get to the airport, my kids can climb mountains at 7 years of age, my wife is happy with a 13 hour hike. Well it turns out that these things are not necessarily true and I need to reign in my optimism - if I don't things can go wrong and then people get angry with me and then I get defensive and then I get angry back, and I'm shouting at everybody. Nowadays I like to ask my pessimistic wife what she thinks first and then we will still do the activity but perhaps make the target easier to meet my wife's expectations and work from there.
In my case I went to group therapy sessions organised by the NHS, but you can also find a counsellor. Alternatively there are self-help books which can work, depending on your condition. You don't really need to go to a psychologist for CBT, a trained counsellor will know how to apply the principles of the therapy.
CBT is often taught alongside mindfulness. Mindfulness is like meditation without the Buddhism. The idea is to train yourself to clear your mind of all thoughts, or alternatively to focus your thoughts on one specific (and often pleasant) activity. So take CBT and depression, you might have thoughts that lead eventually to depression, and they are specific thoughts that come up time and again as shown in your journal. Now the therapist might suggest specific practical solutions to cure the real problem so it goes away. If you can do that, great. But what if you can't? Your mum's died and you miss her - you can't make that go away can you? So then the trick might be to accept you can't do anything about it and stop dwelling on the negative thoughts. Well that's where the mindfulness (meditation) comes into play - you learn to detect you are having negative thoughts of a specific type, then you say to yourself "I really don't need to be thinking about this again" and you push the thoughts out of your mind. It's a funny thing but practicing mindfulness exercises makes it much easier to push these thoughts out of your head, a bit like training your muscles to become an expert arm-wrestler. Mindfulness is also something a counsellor will likely go through with you, but there are plenty of audio exercises available online and I would suggest to anybody that they give them a go, even if you don't have mental health problems. Apart from anything else they teach you to savour the good times, as well as not dwelling on the bad times.
I hope that helps. If you have any more questions, just ask and I'll see what I can do, but I'm not an expert on CBT I just know it can work.
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What part/tools of CBT would you say helped the most?
Watching Sam squirm under literally no pressure from his friendly interviewers and have to constantly reframe every question frantically to suit his own narrative was very entertaining. Cheers lads!
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It's Sam's cognitive dissonance because of his irrational beliefs that he cannot logically defend without twisting himself into a pretzel
He calls trump a fascist while approving fascist means to stop and censor him without really being able to explain why
Stalin and Hitler actually killed people
Nicely summarised!
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It's embarrassing how easily he can be outmaneuvered. Intellectually honest my butt. Compare him to someone like Dawkins or the powerhouse Hitchens... Can you ever imagine either of those two squirming and constantly contradicting himself? Harris was riding the wave of those two giants into becoming a celebrity. Without them nobody would have any idea who Sam Harris even is.
Sam wouldn't have to squirm so much if he wasn't being so fanatically anti-Trump
Having heard much of Mr Harris but not watched him speak I was expecting a far deeper and considerate response to the issues raised - but I found him to be a classicly self-important intellectual who has formed his cast-iron opinions about things to the point that they are unquestionable, at least to his mind. Quite the reverse of someone like Jordan Petersen who, much of the time, shows humility by actually questioning himself and his conclusions.
Disappointing.
Peterson is filled with crippling self-doubt, and that is what generally keeps him on the straight and narrow. Harris is filled with his own self-importance and thus gives no consideration for the possibility that he's deeply flawed.
Yeah I started noticing the same thing with Sam…he thinks his world view is simply perfect. I think more and more people are realizing this. A good example is him saying Twitter is toxic…uh where have you been. Then he says Facebook is better. In other words a dying company is better. He sounds stupid.
@@PerfectTangent I wouldn't call it crippling self-doubt, I would call it humility, he is always open to revising his own assertions.
Spot on !
Peterson possesses greater knowledge in the area of history, has clear philosophical influences such as Nietzsche, and is concerned with the problem of evil, while I cant say the same about Harris.
Sam Harris is one dimensional, irrational, has poor foresight , and lacks insight. I've lost a lot of respect for him at this point
Wow I completely lost any respect I had for Sam. He was just advocating for what he had been condemning Islam doing for years. That it is OK to oppress and subvert the will of the people if you think you know better.
This is such a pompous human being. To mock Christians the way that he does, and pass judgement on all religious people is so arrogant.
This person thinks suppression of information is for the greater good of society, but isn't willing to go to the logical next step... Who will DICTATE the suppression of information? Within 1 or 2 generations, it will inevitably be a DICTATOR!! It's in the damn WORD!!
And his certainty in his own ideas is shocking... almost religious!!! He is a complete fool with a high IQ, which, to me is inexcusable.
Good. We need less dummies in the supporter ranks. I count this instance as a valuable culling. He's not saying anything new or anything I didn't think at the time. You just don't understand nuance or detail because you're dumb. Good riddance. Stop following the guy, stay out of the dang comments.
Excellent interview. Just sad to see a person you once admired completely unravel.
Sam Harris had allays authoritarian tendencies, nothing new.
I've been following Sam since the beyond belief: Science, religion, survival sessions. Since then I have listened to thousands of hours in total since I've listened to him for so many years.
I agree with most of his perspectives and there presupositions like religion, human experience, etc.
But...
I noticed this about 3 years ago and a few months ago on his own podcast the solidified crystal of Trumpism was lain bare. Tho I see Sam as a person, it doesnt tarnish that what I do value of what I have learned, But it's incredibly dissappointing that Years of talking about honest and letting go of emotional control, to only see him just ignore all of that is dissappointing.
On Religion, I agree with his core perspective of Humans having the capacity for knowing how to be better than our forebares via religion, But Jordan Peterson gives the practical perspective of humans devoid of connection of what human experience is, and that requires you to connect and listen from the lessons learned from the trials experienced of those in the past.
One of the great things that came of it is the hope it brings me to see so many people that can follow someone for so long and then disagree openly.
Strong minds.
Trump caused so much 'cognitive dissonance' that something snapped in his head. He will never get his former thought processes back.
I'm glad Triggernometry did this interview. You asked Sam Harris things I wanted to know from him. You guys are the greatest.
Disagree with him completely, still glad he's on.
They should have asked what I wanted to know from him. Nothing.
Same here. Props to Triggs.
I may not see eye to eye with Sam Harris on this and that but his "Making Sense" podcast is one of a few I make a point of following, and buy books he and his guests recommend. He always coaxes me into thinking outside the box.
The Trump Twitter Ban is about capitalism vs Freedom.
Sam Harris, Liz Cheney and others are in favour of laissez-faire capitalism while others are in favour of a well regulated free market.
Nice to plainly see Sam's fears, beliefs, tribal alliance, tangled rhetoric & bias.
"If you destroy democracy in the process of protecting democracy" - game, set and match. Bravo Konstantin. There should never be proper names in ethics and democracy. It is ethical or democratic for everyone, not only for the people we aprove of. Sam Harris let his personal dislike of a person cloud his thinking, which is unforgivable for a man of his pretensions.
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How was democracy "destroyed" and they never even followed up. You just want any silly misinformation to be amplified to the ends of the earth when it's manufactured right before the election?
All news orgs at the time (and especially with hindsight) knew the laptop story was suspect. At a minimum, you can't trace the chain of custody and integrity of the data let alone if it came from Biden. I forget exactly, but we had like, Rudy Juliana had copies of a disk from a blind guy who made copies off of a laptop that said "hunter" on it dropped off by a guy he could not recognize and has no footage of and had NO REASON to be digging through the laptop that had no encryption or anything and had **some** legit emails and stuff on it that could have been gathered and planted from other sources but we won't really know because they didn't ever release the hard drive info out to non-hyper-conservstive spruces to verify.
It's the most transparent October surprise plant that intentionally to sway the election I could imagine.
He's got pre- mid- post- and meta-tensions
"There is an existential threat to our democracy, so I am going to undermine the democracy..."
Sam Harris is another reminder of how an intelligent, well meaning society can quickly dive into authoritarianism like Germany post WW1. Silencing the critics under jack boots for preferred political outcomes.
They felt threatened because they thought they would never have to compete for power again and now they're lashing out. The hatred we live under every day is palpable.
Welcome to the "HONEST FACE" of totalitarian Atheism . . . with the arrogant ignorance to think THEIR MORALITY is superior to all religious faiths that 6,000 years of Human History has evolved.
His evil rationalizations are not very different from the NAZI rationalization to kill 6 Million Jews and millions of other so-called "inferior" people.
Germany, post WWI, was a liberal democracy called the Weimar Republic. The authoritarian stuff happened half a generation later.
Trump is an extreme Authoritarian, Harris a centrist Liberal! How to best stop the TrumpaNazis was the discussion here!
People like Sam are indeed the reason why Germany became what it did post WW1, yes.
This is why I love long form interviews. As the saying goes, "give a man enough rope..." Thank you guys for letting him talk so he could show us who he really is. He's never going to live this one down.
I'm a Harris fan and it was a shocker for him. He's gone off the rails.
@@ExcitingBob are you still a fan after this extremely boring and repetitive dribble ?
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@@theinngu5560 I dont think any honest person watching this that enjpys his content can continue to take him seriously. Now realize this is how ALL of the anti-trump politicians etc think. The ends justify the means to them.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”
I know it’s not a perfect response as Sam is no enemy but you get gist.
It's a terrible thing to lose all flexibility of heart and mind like this. Clearly his character and conviction have not been strong enough to meet the challenges of our time. I am so sorry for us all.
His success was always with the support of the Jeffrey Epstein/John Brockman crew. This is what it looks like when they are getting desperate. Sam was deployed to the stage with his talking points. He lacks the subtlety of thought and speech that he used to have, back in the heady days of the Billionaires' Dinners.
Sam is getting so much hate in the comments I feel compelled to say that I admire his honesty and clear explanation of his position. I agree with his characterization of Trump, and whether his take on what should be done about it is correct or not is a matter of opinion. Disagreeing with some of his opinions does not completely invalidate the man forever after.
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Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris couldn't agree on the meaning of "truth". Listening to Harris speak candidly makes it apparent that he was the wrong person to discuss truth with. I don't think he grasps truth or reality. Triggernometry let him reveal himself, well done.
well, i can put that more on peterson fault, than harris
When it comes to trumps Twitter ban, Sam is using libertarian free association arguments, which are fine, but he would never support those arguments in any other context. In reality, the government already says businesses can't discriminate against their customers, why would Twitter be any different?
Plus that Twitter is enjoying a legal liability shield from the government with section 230. If Twitter wants to take a political stance, by all means, but it has to renounce its status and privilege as a public carrier in that case.
Yeah, it's always been amazing how the left is for free association when it suits them and never are otherwise. I don't think the right is great consistently on this either, but at least has some among its ranks that are pretty solid (well the more libertarian among them at least).
Also, Twitter is publicly traded and receives tax breaks. At that point, the government does in fact get a say.
Also, Sam can't reconcile how blogs, publishers, and social media platforms work or skirt around legal requirements.
@@cendrizzi the only ones consistent on free association are people who are openly against it (authoritarians, traditionalists etc) and anarchists (usually ancaps)
I came here to present this exact same argument!
This needs way more views! This is a perfect example of the hypocrisy and insanity of TDS. Let’s protect democracy by destroying democracy because we don’t like such person.. doesn’t matter what voters want, we are too stupid to decide for ourselves so we must be saved by the self anointed ones..
To Heather McDonough: I agree 100% with your comment. Well said!
It’s not getting a lot more views because people have been sick of Sam’s TDS for a few years now.
He came out of the gate saying how tens of millions of Trump voters are morons, so....
Its hilarious it happens the same week democracy ended Liz Cheney's career... and Sam's friends are decrying it as an "assault on democracy" lmaoooooo
This is such a pompous human being. To mock Christians the way that he does, and pass judgement on all religious people is so arrogant.
This person thinks suppression of information is for the greater good of society, but isn't willing to go to the logical next step... Who will DICTATE the suppression of information? Within 1 or 2 generations, it will inevitably be a DICTATOR!! It's in the damn WORD!!
And his certainty in his own ideas is shocking... almost religious!!! He is a complete fool with a high IQ, which, to me is inexcusable.
If one team in the "digital public square" keeps breaking the rules, I'm not going to feel like they are being unfairly targeted, I'm going to support the referees trying to make sure the game is played fairly.
It's not black and white though. On the one hand there is the "everyone equal before the freedom of speech law" principle and on the other hand there is the "but he caused the group-think wild "entrance" to the, so far, comparatively civilized and democratic government -problem and this is our own company" solution. Maybe it should be collectively discussed the criteria of these new public squares, even though they are private companies, and some legislation for the extreme cases. I don't know but this should be discussed. EDIT: or maybe legislation is a bad idea... for communist reasons, but some control is obviously necessary, and perhaps twitter should either develop better rules that they follow.