Dear Sam, Please don't put Iran in the same basket with Syria or Afghanistan in terms of hopelessness. The rebuilding you mentioned is already happening in Iran. We started the Woman, Life, Freedom revolution against a religious government in the middle of a deeply religious region. We love Israelis. Most of us are not religious at all, and a big percentage of us even hate Islam.
@azadehfarshidi, I really hope so. Iran before the revolution of the late 70's was so much better than the country now. Israel could be a great ally of Iran if it had a different government.
@@leili2007 If you support the current Iranian government you don't support Freedom. Israelis have more freedom in Israel than anyone in Iran. Women have equal rights in Israel, you can be openly gay and not fear for your life. You can be whatever religion you want, and you can openly criticize the government. Women can also where whatever the fuck they want, which means not covering there head.
Sam has been incredibly encouraging for me personally. It’s felt hopeless here, and hearing one calm voice of reason in the midst of seeming insanity has given me hope.
Seriously you are admitting to wanting to be brainwashed into staying where you are too frightened to think for yourself. He and the host likely backed by war financiers are saying the same scripts as regime changers have always said and done... Entire groups are labeled as good and evil so you never have to feel your own feelings of complex humanity and the far more EVIL ARROGANCE of colonists, imperialists, monopolists, authoritative haters of your individual God Given Rights. Think again and remember your beliefs in compassion are more like people you know than the I'll will of resource rapists of corporate overlords.
So many Iranians do not believe in any religion. We believe there are better tools, like philosophy, psychology, meditation ..., to find our path through life and the freedom movement has already started in Iran. Iranians are different from other Muslim countries in the region. In fact, the reason we don't speak Arabic and have preserved our language and traditions is due to our resistance against Islam. Iranians are held hostage by the Islamic Republic, with many regime members not even being born in Iran.
I am American and have heard our governments rhetoric about Iran my whole life. I suspected that many elements of this narrative are inaccurate but many of the things you write are new to me. Thank you for posting and informing me further on the matter.
the funniest bit is that he goes "the difference between israel and palestine is if the israeli's found out that one of their soldiers etc raped a palestinian woman or child etc they would prosecute them, thats the difference". When we have direct evidence that Israel literally when provided with this evidence of systematic sexual assualt that was being tracked by a group to protect woman and children in palestine, they shut this charity down calling it a terrorist organisation. Yet sam doesn't here about this, he hears about the claims of systematic rape as a weapon of war, the claims that have been proven false but he still says they're true and they the palestinians don't care and are totally ok with this. Its just a smear of a whole people with zero evidence to back it up, while having evidence the israeli's have raped palestinians in detention and sexuality assaulted them yet he 'hasn't heard" when it's an israeli in the wrong, and even if he does here he just assumes they're going about it in good faith.
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations. Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that. “Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.” (Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.) In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million. The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies. Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”. And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre. The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun. In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes. In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim. Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists. With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism. The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”. Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
Love Sam. However dear God, are we unable to ask him questions other than questions about Islam, Trump, & drugs? I think I've heard Sam answer the Islam, Trump, & drug questions over 500 billion times. Ask him something different, like did he ever date anyone while gallivanting the Himalayas? Did he ever fall down a mountain? Rumor has it Sam had shoulder length hair when in Nepal. While walking back & forth through the mountains, was he able to condition his hair? Did his thick curly hair become dreadlocked? These are questions no one has ever asked, & I want the answers.
I always liked sam, I don't care about his hygiene, hair style, eating habits, or dating life. Since circumstances around the world constantly change, alter, morph, or evolve moment to moment...I want his most recent response to those top subjects that produce the greatest world consequences. I don't need to know his favorite buffalo wing recipe.
@@gwtunney On a less frivolous note on my behalf, I want to know "his most recent response to those top subjects that produce the greatest world consequences" too. This isn't a false dilemma, there aren't two mutually exclusive options, both can be done. It's not one or the other. I’ve read every book Sam’s ever authored. I’ve read what would is likely be every article he’s ever authored that remains available on line. I’ve read his PHD thesis ‘The Science of Values’ (PubMed) over 40-ish times. I’ve corrected those who misrepresent his view hundreds of times over a period of 8 or so years, & I’ve listened to every Making Sense Podcast. It is true for me to say that Sam is my greatest intellectual hero, & I love him as a person, independent of his intellect, too. My point is, it’s wise for interviewers to keep things new & fresh. Especially given a) the nature of the internet, & b) how far reaching Sam’s knowledge & insights are. There’s a good chance that if a youtube interviewer were to clip a funny “short” of Sam talking about that time he fell down a mountain, or how dreadlocked his hair became, rather than clip his thoughts on Trump (which there are already many of), Sam’s reach & influence would be greater than it is - & it should be greater than it is because, to my mind, he is one of the best thinkers we have.
That would be a waste of time. Finkelstein just makes shit up and then can’t defend his point. All he ever does is attack his opponents instead of their arguments.
@@00Julian00 dont think he is "scared", he hasnt done a (formal) debate for over a decade. He is just not intersted in "debates" anymore, he has said he thinks they are most often pointless and doesnt convince anyone.
@@KevinUchihaOG well Sam has these "discussions" with people like Jordan Peterson who talks about religion in a way contrary to Sam. No better way to see the validity of his arguments than to be challenged instead of just making assertions.
I watched Finklestein and all he had to offer were insults. He was embarassed by a streamer for showing his colors. Only 1 single digit brain cell people think Fonklestein is some kind of power house. He is embarassing!
What an excellent interview. Really informative. I'd like to congratulate the host on giving his guest all the time he needed with interruption. So refreshing in this day and age where shouting and anger seem to dominate these formats. Thank you both.
I've been in Tel-Aviv many times for business and in other parts of Israel a handful of times. At least Tel-Aviv, it's the among the most secular cities I've visited. They could care less about Judaism as a religion. I've also been in Jordan and the Palestinian territories. In all instances, you could have a hysteria-free conversation about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, which is almost impossible in America. In fact, the most sober assessments I have ever heard about the conflict came from a Jordanian bus driver in East Jerusalem, a random Jewish guy working at my hotel, and a Palestinian doctor in Bethlehem. Good luck finding that hysteria-free conversation in the halls of Harvard or Stanford or in Israel friendly media like The Daily Wire.
Apologizers for war crimes. Israel is a loser, pariah state punching down to support zionism which has nothing to do with judaism. Israel is a crime against humanity.
@@DoggoWillink It is different and unique. It's one of the least God-believing cities in the world. Wildly secular. In fact, I'd say residents of Tel-Aviv treat the religious folk in the interior of the country like someone in LA would treat someone from rural Mississippi.
@@DoggoWillink Israel is very secular as in not a religious state and most people are not orthodox. there are sects of them but not the majority. By far. And most citizens in israel don't want any religious members of parliament changing the laws to accommodate their point of view on marriage, etc for instance.
@@duncansteedman9986 it's reasonable to seek out explanations, it's not reasonable to just invent an explanation. Not requiring good evidence or proof for your beliefs about reality is by definition unreasonable
What's the name of the interviewer?! Why don't videos list the names of the principal people in the video, if not in the title, at least in the description?!
Sam was on my suggested reading list almost 20 years ago in Phil 1301, and I’ve been reading him ever since. It should be required reading in 8th grade.
I don't like identity politics, but I also feel like making it your core issue right now is like worrying about an ingrown toenail while you're having a heart attack. Decades of right-wing economic policies since Reagan have torn down the gains made in the 20th century that created a middle class, New Deal policies, unions, labor laws, regulations, etc. No one has ANY argument against the numbers over the past several decades in terms of wealth and income inequality and the damage done to the middle class. Before unions, New Deal polices, labor laws, regulations, etc., average people were working 12-hour shifts in Andrew Carnegie's steel mills literally 364 days a year. (They actually had one day off a year.) Coal miners were dying in mines while they were indentured to the "company store" basically working off debt, etc. etc. etc. Economic oppression is the worst oppression that can exist in a "free" democratic republic, and as our history shows without our vigilance can obviously exist freely and fully within the context of our "Constitutional rights". And the end-game is an overall lowering of the quality of life the average person accepts, and I mean a significant lowering. Home ownership becomes a thing of the past, different families share rent, transportation, etc. Free time is significantly reduced. ("Weekends" are a relatively recent concept.) There are only two ways to go on this, left or right, and I would rather deal with some loony identity politics wackos until society tires of them than Republicans who are complete and utter shills for oligarchs who want to turn us all into wage slaves. And you can say what you want about China, the whole creation of China as a "superpower" was a result of the republican supposed philosophy of "we can't let the government interfere with business". We had a small window to tariff the f*** out of corporations that shipped our manufacturing jobs to China, (it's far too late), but the republicans that duped the morons with the whole "don't interfere with the free market with your government regulations" lie, and blamed unions and "overpaid" workers here (as if either of those are arguments when you're switching your labor market to $1 a day communist wage slaves). But the right gets a free pass on that it seems.
Sam Harris logic- If everything was different right, I would not be wrong right, and since eveything could be different right, I am correct right. Somone suffering from NPD is incapable of admitting when they are wrong.
As someone from Poland, the vagueness around the label of "Jewish" always intrigued me, with there being so many varieties not only of sects of Judaism, but interpretations of the term itself. I grew up near Hasidic-controlled communities and always associated Jews with their Synagogues and Orthodox attire, but I also knew 'modern' Jews who wore their yamaka/braids but dressed casually, as well as those who didn't have any religious attire/hairstyles. In my mind, the religious part of it (Hanukkah and Sabbath) was parallel to the distinct ethnicity because of how the religion strongly regulated bloodlines and made that known to outsiders.
No it’s not. The crux of this post is to basically point out that people identify as Jewish willy-nilly. It’s not for outsiders to ponder over what and what doesn’t make someone Jewish. Jews do it all on their own. Instead of making a useless post on social media faking an interest, if that interest is real, go and make friends with people from that community to get an insider’s take. If you have any connection to any Jewish community anywhere you would not make this post on social media.
Hamas is dastardly, obviously, but exactly what you expect them to be; they are governed by resentment. What worries me more is the privileged, enlightened west's lack of support for the productive, principled democracy that is trying to remove Hamas from Gaza. The condescension is stunning. Stay three steps ahead of the US and UK, Israel.
Are you out of your mind? Since 2005, there's been not one Israeli soldier or citizen in Gaza and billions of dollars in aid has been ploughed into it. Instead of creating a state, they built tunnels and bought weapons and fired thousands of rockets at civilian centres in Israel. They could've added yet another Muslim state to the 22 already existing Muslim states. After WW1, France and Britain handed 99% of all Ottoman land to Arab populations to form Arab nations. The final 1% was the Mandate for Palestine.
I'm athiest and ethnically jewish. Israel didn't form because jews were so jewish and thirsty for the holy land but because of people like me who even thought they integrated into society they still got singled out and persictuted for having a jewish mother.
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations. Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that. “Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.” (Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.) In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million. The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies. Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”. And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre. The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun. In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes. In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim. Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists. With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism. The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”. Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
That was quite a collection of topics. On the one about MDMA I agree with him that it has the most posative effect on the brain. They are presantly at stage three trials of using MDMA on people with PTSD, with great results. As someone who has used it a few times I can say it is a wonderfull drug to take in the right place and time. If it could be government controlled to guarentee quality I would use it more often.
Sam doubling down on "bombs can kill bad ideas" is unbeleivable horrific and is in opposition to all evidence. I used to be a big fan of his. It is interesting how someone can be so "evidence based" in some topics and so cruel and unjustified on other topics.
You are never going to be able to reason with people who believe they're doing God's work. Never. In a perfect world, reason is the way to go. But nothing about this world is perfect. And the definition of what you and I would consider a perfect world is 180 degrees out of phase with religious extremism.
@@yendid7587 i don't know if the surrender was because they were more armed, or because we had a strategy to keep our country in tact, but this most be one of the fastest surrender of all time ;)
I didn’t know that but after reading your comment I checked it and it is true: estimated Jews in Denmark 7800, deported Jews 500, killed estimated 116. All the others were sent to the neutral Sweden. Great!
I loved this conversation. The mutual respect they continued to have for each other after the conversation seemed like it was about to end but did. Noam and Sam should talk more, there's more to be said.
To solve the racism issue - capitalism need some serious revisioning, as Sam Harris said, CHILDREN need to be all given the same kind of opportunties to eat healthy diets, go to school, save from gang violence, etc. Test scores MUST remain in place, selection processes need to be merrit-based.
Sure the interview is great but audio levels are so low I can barely hear in my AirPods while walking outside. Please turn it up a bit in post next time. Thanks
@@davidcooks2379 Good morning Scrooge McDuck and thanks for your response. Indeed, they are not but for 95% of all other TH-cam videos I watch, they still work fine, but they didn't work fine for this one. The reason for that is the low audio level on this video, not the lack of noise canceling. I wish you a profitable and greedy Friday, sir.
some headphones have larger woofers than others, so its hard for a mobile phone to drive the volume effectively. if you have airpod max they have large speakers. Look into a mobile amplifier (you can get one for maybe $20), or get smaller headphones.
Allie I really like your profile picture and if you let me, I would make such an amazing mural out of it! If you don’t mind one of your pictures could be my inspiring muse for an art project i’m working on for a client. You will totally get paid for it as well as a bonus also get credits.
"Jews waiting for the messiah to return" @5:24-no Mr. Harris we are not, that would be Christians. We are waiting for the messiah to make his first appearance.
Whoa! Nice one! You just nuked Sam Harris! I was like, ‘what’s the likelihood Sam misspoke?? Then I realized it’s much more likely he just doesn’t know anything about religion. 😂😂😂
Sam Harris, you should debate Medhi Hasan and learn a thing or two. The lack of depth and context is so apparent that Sam just represents plain old bigotry and racism. All you folks, follow Max Blumenthal or Aaron Mate or Norman Finkelstein who will open your minds.
One cannot be bigoted against Muslims. Islam is intrinsically bigoted, so you have it inverted. Mehdi Hasan is the bigot who once said atheists, infidels, and gays were lower than pigs.
I tried listening to Sam and could not. The man who teaches peace and meditation and likes Buddha’s message of loving kindness on his Waking Up App, sounds so different when it comes to Israel. He was sounding as if he would welcome WWIII over this.
He’s just talking in baseline terms of how we need to address people who wish to see a whole ethnic group removed from the planet. Islam continues to be the only religion left that has not met with modernity.
Buddha spent his entire life sparodically, and an entire decade continuously trying to reach enlightenment. I think you're judging and comparing sam too harshly. There's no fault in being biased or prideful if you understand and are continuing to better yourself.
No it only involves a woman who must take responsibility-men have no role at all-jeeesh-but that is the premise of religion-boys will be boys but women are at fault if these boys stumble.
@@kristopherloviska9042 you people leave these kind of Comments out of your Naive judgments that if someone have left Islam would have fallen into some other dogma. Grow up man You’re not the Only Rational Atheist living on planet earth.
So True. Has Hamas really done anything Mohammed didn't do??? Mohammed led armies to slaughter Jewish tribes in Kaybhar, Medina etc. after the Jews there refused his invitation to join/follow him in his new religion. This is documented history, not scripture. Thus, Hamas (& many muslims who commit violence) are simply following the example of their most revered Prophet & founder of Islam.
I have been a big fan and staunch supporter of Sam Harris for over a decade. He has sensibly claimed that none of his ideas are bigoted and it's all about fighting bad ideas and doctrines. Unfortunately the time has come for Sam to take a deep look into the mirror and consider the possibility that he has become a bigot and has not realized it. The only way he can hold the beliefs he has today and say the disgusting things he says is by being wildly uneducated about history and totally out of touch with modern affairs. Sam I hope you come to this conclusion soon. I hope you awaken once again, become a voice of reason again. The world could use you.
If you are 20 minutes into this video, and you’re once again struck with the impression that Sam Harris may not be as lucid and intelligent as his fanboys want you to believe, you’re on the right track. This is just cruel and selfserving obfuscation of the actual root of the problem, from a spoiled manchild with an ego problem.
Also note how Sam "I don't want to be wrong for even a moment longer than I have to" Harris *never* invites people on his podcast who challenge his positions.
We’re not going to gloss over the fact he just compared abortion; reproductive rights to heroin usage? lnsane. This is the problem with this debate. More developed European nations have legalized this to the point here it is no longer an issue. And Sam Harris says ‘if you don’t want to carry a pregnancy, just have the child and give it up for adoptions’. This is the most uninformed statement I’ve heard from Sam Harris and I’m quite surprised. He acts like pregnancy is a bag you carry until you want to give it away. Pregnancy endangers the life of a woman, puts them out of commission completely for jobs. Stop undermining that process. It’s asinine
You are correct. The physical and psychological impacts of a pregnancy and childbirth stay with a woman for her life, even if she gives the baby up for adoption.
I am a Christian looking to revert from all this religious nonsense. Sam harris helps, but i misss when he would do his anti religiokn talks. It brought sanity to my mind. I think new age ideas would help as thry have helped me in the past, but that all kinda vague. Does anyone have ANY advice?
I would start reading some philosophy of ethics. Get a beginner’s survey book and then read the source material when you’ve got a solid base of understanding. I’m a huge Kant fan. I think the deontologists provide a resonant alternative to religion. And get out in nature.
Advice? Yeah, engage with the world; it's rich enough on its own. Find meaning in your job, relationships, hobbies, interests, etc. Also, read stuff on virtue ethics, humanism, epicureanism, and forth.
Steer clear of the New Age stuff. I was a Catholic and left it, felt like something was missing, and got into Scientology to fill what seemed to be a void. That lasted about a year and a half, and I finally tossed all of it into the same pile of rubbish. Over time, I just got comfortable with the discomfort of uncertainty. Better that than believing in gods or woo woo. Watch this vid from some years ago where Harris and Shermer team up to debate one of the most visible purveyors of New Age crap: th-cam.com/video/nupB70anRrQ/w-d-xo.html
If you are looking to revert from all this religious nonsense as you say, can you honestly say you were really a Christian to begin with? I struggle with the word revert. I'm a Christian. If I left my faith I would acknowledge myself to be an apostate in the true meaning of the word. I feel like revert is a word of deception and disguise and shame. I wish people would just be honest and say that they believed a wrong thing about God, and left that wrong God and never knew the real God or that they just couldn't give up their own ways and own thinking and rebelled against the God they once knew. Just be honest.
As a theist and I love the way this man thinks and explains his thoughts. He is very practical and logical and insults no one. I agree with him entirely.
Hey Sam, did ever occur to you that we are today facing bigger danger than Radical Islam. That danger is called Radical Judaism. I am asking you this as an American who is originally from Europe and Catholic as well.
@@porfiriomunoz3675 I used my brain, intellect, eyes, ears and got educated beyond elementary school. You should try too. Maybe one day you will understand.
@@zok179 Can you explain lol? Saying you "used your brain" isn't an answer to the question. Islam will soon be the world's largest religion, while there are hardly any Jewish people in the world. I actually probably agree with you about Israel (I don't support them at all), but saying radical Judaism is really dangerous seems odd to me.
Thank you for having Sam on. I don't know how we got here. After everything we went through from 9/11 or the pulse nightclub shooting or the boston marathon bombing - how are we still too scared and sheepish to take a firm stance against terrorism? Pro terrorist activists are chanting intifada in our streets, they are ignored entirely because we as a "progressive" society would be accused of Islamophobia to pushback against it. We're too obsessed with Jews fighting back against their enemies and unwilling to address our own issues with terrorist fanatics celebrating dead Jews in our streets... i keep hearing "the west is next" but they are already here.
They wouldn’t be chanting intifada (which means resistance) if they didn’t have a reason to resist. White European settlers will steal land, loot, rape, maim then get on TH-cam to comment BS #free
Oh please. No one is complaining about fighting actual terrorists, but what we have seen is thousands of dead civilians in what is arguably a genocide. But people protesting against the terrorism inflicted on the Palestinians, they are smeared as pro terrorism
@@hg_rebase Sure. It was common sense for British colonialists to think Indians and Africans were just savages. Like it was common sense for the Americans to think native Americans fighting for their lands were just savages. In hundred years from now, views like these will be viewed for what they are: racist bigotry.
@@Yogesh-jq9jjsorry the notion that Native Americans magically & exclusively "own" the entire American continent (or the US) is preposterous. It is only the fact that we have been bombarded with this narrative for decades that makes this narrative seem plausible. Native Americans walked here from the West. Europeans sailed here from the east. There's nothing magical about walking here from the west versus boating here from the east that makes you "own" everything. Nor is there anything magical about a person of a specific skin pigment being first to step on a continent that somehow confers ownership of the continent to only other humans with a similar skin pigment. I mean, this is an almost comically primitive blood-and-soil type mindset. Is the moon perpetually and exclusively "native white land" because white people got there first? I'm European American and this is my land as much as any native or anyone else. Hand in hand with this "all white history bad" narrative is the cartoonish whitewashing of the darker side of eg Native American history. This unpleasant side of native American history is not seriously disputed but universally swept under the rug in politically correct discourse. Like the fact that tribes such as the Comanche were themselves unbelievably brutal invaders who attacked, disposessed and damn near genocided other tribes all up and down the plains. www.britannica.com/topic/Comanche-people Comanche raids on other tribes that they conquered and drove out were as horrific as anything your darkest imagination can conjure up: Skinning people alive, burning the inhabitants of villages alive, leaving only a few young girls to be enslaved and 'assaulted.' Speaking of Slavery, not only Comanches but MANY Native tribes engaged in slavery, BEFORE and AFTER European colonization. WIKI: "MANY Native-American tribes practiced some form of slavery BEFORE the European introduction of African slavery into North America." Again, not seriously disputed - but routinely airbrushed out of PC narratives. See eg curator of the acclaimed National Museum of the American Indian Paul Chaat Smith (himself a Comanche elder). "These uncomfortable complications in the narrative were brought to the forefront at a recent event held at the National Museum of the American Indian. Titled “Finding Common Ground.... For museum curator Paul Chaat Smith... it is imperative to provide the museum-going public with an unflinching history, even when doing so is painful." To quote Chaat: “Obviously, the story should be, needs to be, that the enslaved black people and soon-to-be-exiled red people would join forces and defeat their oppressor. But such was not the case-far from it. The Five Civilized Tribes were deeply committed to slavery, established their own racialized black codes, immediately reestablished slavery when they arrived in Indian territory, rebuilt their nations with slave labor, crushed slave rebellions, and enthusiastically sided with the Confederacy in the Civil War.” ... "In other words, the truth is about as far a cry from a 'crowd-pleasing narrative' as you could possibly get.... And yet, Smith is firm in his belief that it is a museum’s duty to embrace and elucidate ambiguity, not sweep it under the rug in the pursuit of some cleaner fiction. Tiya Miles, an African-American historian at the University of Michigan, agrees. At the “Finding Common Ground” event, she meticulously laid out primary-source evidence to paint a picture of Indian/African-American relations in the years leading up to the Civil War. To quote Chaat again: “I don’t know why our brains make it so hard to compute that Jackson had a terrible Indian policy and radically expanded American democracy...or that John Ross was a skillful leader for the Cherokee nation who fought the criminal policy of removal with every ounce of strength, but also a man who deeply believed in and practiced the enslavement of black people.” "We have the undeniable truth of powerful Indian nations being DEEPLY committed to slavery, allied with the confederacy. Also, some of them denying (tribal) citizenship to their black members for 150 years. This is not the narrative I want either. History is awful... it's a quirk of human nature that for one side to be 'good', the opposing side must be 'bad.' See the full lecture and citations from the National Museum of the American Indian in the link below
Noam says a lot of smart things, but some pretty ignorant things too. I'll note just one. He apparently has no idea what's happening in red America with (lack of) access to emergency life-saving and health-preserving abortions. What a glaring omission in that whole discussion!
I'm aware. I didn't want to go on too long about it. I've discussed it in other podcasts, but this was Sam's time to talk. I don't remember exactly what I said to Sam, but I think I said it would eventually settle into a situation far less restrictive than people fear. Short-term, I don't doubt the problems, but I think the Right has deep hypocrisy on this issue.
@@comedycellarclips perhaps I was too harsh... but I don't recall that issue being discussed at all with Sam, and it's by far the most serious implication of the Dobbs decision. This will not go away easily, simply because the Dobbs framework licenses it. If you're banking on red states scaling back on this, you'll be waiting a long time to collect. And on the substance, a broad "health of the mother" (or even "life of the mother") exception would permit too many abortions for Christian conservatives. There will almost certainly remain *some* states in which these Handmaid's Tale laws persist, until Dobbs is overturned.
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations. Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that. “Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.” (Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.) In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million. The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies. Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”. And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre. The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun. In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes. In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim. Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists. With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism. The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”. Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
Why do you care about red America? Blue America overwhelmingly hate the reds so why are you so obsessed with how they choose to handle abortion. Just be happy that in a federal system blue America can have abortions up to the day of birth.
You are so lucky that your Muslim friends are not turning away from you. I am a woman and my ( highly educated) Arab friends of different nations have all posted very violent postings and stopped talking to me since October 7th. We already had a clash many years before when we used to cook for fun and they said horrible things to me about Jews which I strongly opposed as the only one( German), I thought because of my nationality they thought I would think likewise.
Absolutely but Sam never prompts. He always tries to distance conscientious use of psychedelics from recreation or abuse. He talks like a father who knows his daughters might hear it someday.
I wrote this comment under Hatem's heartfelt, cool headed video response to Sam and thought I'd contribute it to the discussion here: The beauty of this podcast is shown by the fact it gives responses and different viewpoints. I love Hatem and Sam. I think they might be talking from two different vantage points or two different levels of threat assessment: Sam's main concern is violent Islamic Jihadism in a volatile world full of nuclear/chemical/biological weapons, and Hatem's main concern is how Sam's focus on Islam and Jihadi violence will affect the lives of everyday Muslims and how many eggs Sam is willing to break to "make the omelet", i.e. eliminate militant Islamic fundamentalism and violent Jihadism. Sam argues that the problem is there's an intolerable number of "everyday" or "ordinary" Muslims who support, sympathize, or are indifferent to violent Jihad. Sam argues that (1) since Muslims claim religious kinship/brotherhood/sisterhood and (2) to the extent that Muslims are connected by Islam (a system of beliefs), they shoulder much of the responsibility to show the world that they're rooting out the violent actors who are distorting Islam in the same way that Christians would be on the hook if Christianity were at issue. Sam thinks that many people have deluded themselves into (1) minimizing the amount of Muslims who support a militant reading of Islam and (2) ignoring the associations between sincere belief and behavior, and the possibility that a group of violent Jihadis who love their ideology more than the world itself might be able to have access to dangerous weapons is intolerable to him. In this way, Sam's a proponent of Huntington's "clash of civilizations", which I think Benny Morris is also a proponent of. To a lesser degree, Sam is also worried about the anti-enlightenment undertones of ancient religions and their dead weight on society. Basically, Sam is concerned about the effects of primitive ideas in a modern world, and to whatever degree religions have helped humans become civilizational in the past, religions are now anti-civilization. Also, if religious belief (especially religious rapture) influences behavior and religions have different beliefs, then it follows that different religions will influence behaviors in different ways (e.g. Jainism will cause less violent behavior than Islam). Sam argues that people who criticize him for ignoring/discounting the role of history (e.g. foreign policy) in shaping Islamic Jihadi violence are themselves guilty of ignoring/discounting the role of history in understanding Islamic violence. For example, though most major religions have violent clauses in their holy books, the warlord phase of Muhammad abrogates the more peaceful phase of Muhammad. Sam argues that Islam conquered Arabia by "sword" and points to the violent passages in the Quran and Hadiths, and argues many people take those passages seriously. In sum and in Sam's own words, "Religion is the devil's masterpiece." But just as Sam is concerned with the connection between Islamic belief and violent behavior, Hatem is concerned about the connection between Sam's beliefs (in a less cosmic sense of the word) and violent/oppressive behavior, i.e. people's negative intuitions about Islam can harm (physically/socially) Muslims who are just Muslim like Christians are just Christian. In other words, religion isn't the only important aspect of a person's identity. Imagine how fucked up it would be if a bigot hurt someone like Hatem, whom we all love and know is a good man, because he believes all Muslims are on the hook for the violence committed by "their people". Hatem also thinks Sam (1) overstates the connection between Islam and violence and (2) understates the role of other factors behind the violence (historical, political, and socioeconomic factors), and so mono-causally focusing on Islam is a misdiagnosis of the problem, which at best keeps the problem as it is and at worst makes the problem even worse. In this way, Hatem is more a proponent of Karen Armstrong or Tariq Ramadan's school of thought. When Sam points to the fact that many violent Islamic Jihadis aren't poor or oppressed, Hatem points to the many who are poor and feel oppressed and lost. Hatem would also point to a collective sense of oppression and sense of religious/ethnic kinship that could explain the phenomenon of the wealthy/educated violent Islamic Jihadi who wants to avenge Muslims/Islam (in the same way that many American Christians care about the fate of other Christians in other parts of the world). When Sam points to surveys/polls that suggest an intolerable number of Muslims support violent Jihadis as an indictment on Islam itself, Hatem would say that the surveys/polls don't tell the entire story and Sam just doesn't understand Muslim societies, culture (e.g. honor based), motivations, and grievances. Hatem argues that both critics of Islam like Sam AND violent Islamic Jihadis are cherry picking the same parts of Islamic text to take literally, and so they are selectively choosing the parts that justify their particular goals. If violent Jihadis were truly fundamentalists who actually took the text literally, then they'd also take the peaceful parts literally. Hatem argues that Sam wants to paint Islam as violent, which is why he agrees that violent Islamic Jihadis have the most faithful reading of the text, ignoring the hundreds of millions of Muslims who choose a more peaceful reading of the text. Generally, Hatem thinks Sam is ignorant of the relevant historical details and nuances of the conflicts between Muslims. When Sam points to Muslims being violent about religious symbols as evidence of their fanaticism/radicalism, Hatem points to the fact that some Muslims don't actually care about Islamic symbols because they destroy some Islamic symbols---and even though this doesn't take away from Sam's arguments about Islam and symbols (e.g. depiction of Muhammad), it should at least show that there are conflicting motivations, ulterior motives, and ad hoc rationalizations that animate violent Jihadis given that they pick and choose what they want to destroy. How complicated is life?
Awesome summary of the arguments (although I think you go way beyond what Hatem actually says, or indeed could articulate). And I think it's clear Sam has the better of it here. What we should care about most is what people actually believe -- actions flow rather directly from beliefs as a default, and we can thus draw the relatively straight lines Sam would have us draw. It's understandable that liberal Muslims wouldn't want to accept the inconvenient truths in question, but when they do so (as Hatem does) their arguments fall flat and smack of emotional upset (understandably, perhaps) rather than genuine intellectual engagement on the core and most important points.
Had I been forced to gestate against my will, the psychological damage to me would have been horrible. I had two abortions, thankfully, because the experience of having anything growing inside of my body was EXACTLY what characters in the ALIEN series of films went through. As an Aspie - Asperger’s syndrome - I don’t like being around other people; as Sartre put it in NO EXIT: L’enfer, c’est les autres. For example I never liked going to parties and finally just stopped going. I’ve always felt uncomfortable around “les autres,” because I often became a center of attention, being rarely at a loss for words and always having something interesting or humorous or both to say. I say that I don’t want to be the life of the party, but the fact that I so often was led to my conscious decision to abstain. Not that there were all that many parties among my small circle of friends. Upon reflection, it has always been my anxiety that led to my speech. At any rate, Sam, that when you remarked that the easiest solution to abortion would be to carry the alien to birth and then give it up for adoption, you spoke exactly like a man who never had to even contemplate such a thing. When I was about five or six years old, I experienced an epiphany that shook me so emotionally that I remember it, and how it made me feel, to this day, over 64, 65 years later: I realized that I didn’t have to be a mommy if I didn’t want to; this occurred to me about 15 years before Roe became law. And even before becoming pregnant, I thought it would be awful if I gave a baby up for adoption, because how could I ever stop thinking about it, obsessingly (as is my wont ), worrying if it were suffering at the hands of horrible parents, wondering whether its life were good or bad, happy or sad, &c. Yet, if I decided to keep it, I would resent it for the rest of my thusly embittered life. And that would ruin the rest of my life, and I am much too selfish to resign myself to a joyless life. Now, at 70 and HAPPILY CHILD-FREE, and despite widowhood, poverty, and being trapped in the Hell of Florida, I might say that now is the happiest time of my life! The other thing that y’all talked about, which I don’t necessarily agree with, is the grisly discussion of not causing a fetus - or did you mean as far back as an embryo? - any pain. But how can actual humans differentiate between our physical pain and a gestating embryo’s or fetus’s potential pain? Could any pinprick cause an involuntary muscle stimulation, a knee-jerk reaction? Sure. But would that qualify as the kind of pain that we the living experience, as a bad hurting that , or know what it is, or equate it with its mother’s gastric distress or the like? How would the potential being identify pain as different from muscle stimulation? O, for that matter, identify such stimulus as a bad, unpleasant, or hurtful reaction? I love to watch cooking videos, and every time a lobster has to die for us to enjoy its succulent flesh, it is either plunged into boiling water, headfirst, which chefs assure us kills them instantly so they don’t suffer, OR the chef plunges a huge, sharp knife, point first, into the unfortunate creature’s head and cuts rapidly through its face, again with the same assurance. But how do they know? How can we know unless the critter shows some obvious display, like bellowing or some other vocal or physical display the humans identify as pain? Finally, Sam, you’re 100% correct about Muslims - they may disagree in principle with their fellow Muslims’ treatment of Jews, but they have been conditioned since birth that Jews deserve everything that Allah’s loyal and blessed servants throw at them. Y’all sounded, for a second there, like Islamists could be convinced of their evil ways by reasonable argument, when even we pasty -skinned Western Jews know better. Obviously, just a hypothetical. Muslims don’t have any desire to follow an appeal to reason. They don’t attend lectures; they are subjected to harangues rooted in both political Islam and completely irrational Jew hatred. If Israel doesn’t eliminate both Iran’s nuclear facilities and materiel, and the scientists who are building their WMD, our civilization will perish from this Earth. Will some Muslim scholar please explain to them the fact that the word “virgins” was mistranslated, that the promised reward for their obedient, submissive martyrdom was 72 RAISINS? 😱🤯🤬
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@@EvelynLogan-od7zcAfter everything that I wrote, nothing evoked anything more than this? I give you my soul, yet all you see worth commenting about is cheekbones,
Until the Third Reich surrendered, the Allies did not provide to Germany's civilian population the kind of aid Israel is providing in the midst of an urban war to the civilian population of Gaza, who, overwhelmingly, voted Hamas into power and to this day, still support it.
This is a false equivalence since Israel actively prevents NGOs to reach Palestinians and give food, medicine and water ...you know an actual war crime. Not giving aid to the German and actively preventing others helping them is a vastly different situation.
Watched first 45 minutes. I think Sam Harris is limited in his understanding to be honest - the Occupation wasn't mentioned once as context. Too often he mixes up Islam and jihadism etc... He could talk for hours on autopilot for sure .... but in this interview he didn't feel any need to back up his opinions. Maybe he just thinks he's talking to the converted & can get away with it. Complacent.
Nor do biblical Christians. If anything we are too passive when it comes to the evils of Islam. The vast majority of Christians stand with Israel by the way.
she is saying the jews who follow the OT are not unaliving brides on their wedding days for impurity. Not so with this other group. They are explicitly called to follow the example of the founder
Great interview, Noam! I’ve heard many of Sam Harris’s points on these topics before, but his delivery is so compelling and persuasive that I couldn’t resist listening.
They are literally just the same talking points you can find littered throughout the right wing echo chamber. Nothing nuanced, balanced or particularly informed.
@@innatro his justification of collective punishment of Palestinians for the actions of Hamas and belief in martyrdom as if they're asking for this and Israel is merely obliging
@@ai_comtalking points that also happen to be good points, and facts some of us would prefer to deny/ignore. And it's not specifically just a right wing echo chamber -- it's anyone who's sane understands these echoes -- dem, republican, independent, Bernie Sanders, etc. Ya know, people who aren't lost and don't hate Jews
@@thankuwere no, just tired and lazy clichés that are pretty standard propoganda fare at this point which encourage a lack of real thought or examination. But plenty of people see through it
Suggesting the Israeli might have exaggerated with the number or type of atrocities perpetrated by Hamas is ludicrous. Israel initially claimed there were 1400 casualties, only because there were so many mutilated body parts, they over counted the dead. Once they put it all together, they came clean. 1200 or 1400 are all way too many!!!!
Sam, after the passing of Chris Hitchens is my favorite intellect. But I strongly disagree and I’m disappointed (without loosing my respect) at his stance regarding how this war should be handled! Calling it tragic, saying it’s horrible, that 12 thousand children are killed, but because Hamas is using them as human shields (really!! All 32 thousand dead civilians were shields?!) means to him that Israel can have at it to its heart’s content is deeply unjust and unfair. For the sake of the children at least. No one consulted them before October attack. Nor do they support or had voted for the Hamas monsters.
Unfortunately unrwa schools were teaching the children to kill That's the abusive education. they can't have any life other than killing and martrydom.
What about Israel's children? What about all their future children? Let's say we just declare cease fire, the hostages are miraculously returned, and we go back to how things were Oct 6. What exactly would change now? I would expect other similar attacks from the Palestinians every few years, with more innocent Israelis killed. Why should they put up with that? If you had a neighbor that randomly fired a gun into your house, they would need to go, end of story, and you'd be a fool to just let things go back to how they were. Yes its tragic the neighbor's children also get made homeless or worse in addition to the adult neighbor firing the gun, but why should you put up with one of your children randomly getting killed now and then?
I recently listened to Rory Stewart on the Making Sense podcast with Sam. You quickly realise how out of his depth Sam is when it comes to understanding the complexities surrounding Islam and insights into the Muslim world. There is no doubt his Jewishness clouds his judgments and struggles to hide behind his biases. It's amazing how someone who has spent two decades vilifying a religion has never taken the initiative to travel to the Muslim world or engage with Muslim scholars, historians, and academics. I would genuinely like to see him engage in discussions with these experts from within the Islamic community, rather than confining himself to conversations with like-minded individuals.
no hes critical of islam because if its doctrines like the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemers, jihad, martyrdom and the treatment of concubines, to name a few. nothing complex about those ideas
@@gnlout7403 Every argument he presents could be applied to any religion if scrutinised closely enough. Nearly 2 billion Muslims. The Malay is not the same as the Somalian, who is not the same as the Jordanian who is not the same as the Bangladeshis who are not the same as the Mauritanian etc He uses a minuscule percentage of Jihadists and generalises an entire religion just as Rory pointed out. Look how confidently he discusses Israel, yet when conversing with Israeli scholar Yuval Harari, he seems hesitant to cast blame on Palestine, aware that Yuval would dismantle his weak historical arguments regarding that region. Sam is not genuine. Behind all his intellectual writing there is a deep level of hatred for Muslims.
@@FBUK the number of Muslims who believe these things actually is not minuscule. He points to polls for one that indicate even Muslims in places like England support some of these ideas. being that there are nearly 2,000,000,000 Muslims. Of course it doesn’t take a lot of people for this to become a problem. he criticizes all religions, but the combination of the ideas I mentioned combined with the following of these ideas, makes Islam uniquely bad. In case you were not aware, he has said that some ideas in the Old Testament are among the worst ideas. The difference is that there are no followers actually performing these ideas . The same is not true to the faith in question. he does point out obviously that not all followers believe all of these bad ideas to the same extent Apologies for the typos
@@FBUK check out the Dr Phil, mossab yousef segment. He shows how Palestinian kids are indoctrinated to hate jews. This comes from the source material. The founding charter of Hamas, what it says the rocks and trees say (to kill the jews). It's from the source material. They didn't make it up. The Palestinians overwhelmingly support Hamas. That's terrifying. Ideas matter.
@@gnlout7403 there's a highly respected professor the US (Robert Pape) who did a comprehensive study of every terror attack between 1980 and 2015. With over 300 cases analysed, he concluded that almost all terror attacks are driven by specific secular or strategic goals aimed at compelling modern democoracies to withdraw their military forces from territories the terrorists claim as their homeland. I genuinely doubt that terrorists commit their actions solely because of religious teachings. Do you honestly believe the likes of Hamas are motivated by religious scripture alone? Their primary concern is there homeland, and that's the fundamental factor driving their actions. Sam always asserts the root cause of terrorism is religious ideology, but he overlooks everything other factors that's my issue with him. Btw - good news, religion is on the decline, at least here in the UK :)
All of them since the signing of the Geneva Conventions in 1929 (for prisoners of war) and 1949 (for civilian populations). Whether or not they were followed is another matter, but the _requirement_ was there. That's assuming you include Gazan civilians in your definition of "enemies," a claim that brings up some serious ethical questions, and by the "provision of aid" you mean allowing aid from all sources (Red-cross and foreign aid from all sources) to pass through the blockade and cross the border. It's a warcrime to allow civilian populations to starve, deny them medical treatment, and target them for collective punishment. Between 15,000 and 20,000 children have been killed by the IDF: they're weren't even old enough to vote, let alone support Hamas. Hamas is an evil terrorist organization, but that doesn't mean you get to declare _all_ Palestinians enemies of Israel and deny them basic provisions as a result. Even denying POWs who willingly surrendered the basic necessities for survival violates the Geneva Convention, let alone the starvation, illness, and emergency surgeries without the "luxury" of anesthetic the civilian population is currently being subjected to.
Great interview. L'chaim. God is my Father and rabbi. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. God spoke fifty sentences to me from above. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem 61 years ago. I just look young) God's first nine sentences to me from above to my ear. That night towards 11pm I heard Tibetan music from the heavens that I knew no one else could hear. Since then, I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true. 11.17.2015, Eve Beach, Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading, so I sat under the stars alone. I asked God His name. He answered, Fundamentally E. I answered, Energy of consciousness that suffuses everything. Every proton, neutron, electron, quark, spark of light and black hole. He answered, Don't forget the science. I asked God, Where do people go after they die. He answered, "Everybody goes to the same place. He asked me, "What side of the blade are you on. I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword. He then showed me my ascension to Heaven. He said, "Make Israel one. You are anchor. God's last sentence to me was four years ago after many months. He said one sentence. " You are Princess Messenger of God " In Aramaic, Amira Malaka Elah. 12 hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, Make Israel one. ( It means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham) A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God. I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhammad knew this. Sometimes it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people. Islamic Jihad is anathema to God and life. Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem.
The time is fast approaching that you will keep you lunacy to yourself or you will kept in a facility to prevent you from harming yourself, or much worse any other human.
He’s as biased as they come. You think after 6 months of atrocities being committed by Israel he would find something to criticize. I have listened to him for years and on this issue he’s as dogmatic as all the religious fanatics he criticizes. He says nothing about the collective punishment of Palestinians ….. he’s basically ignoring so many of the facts going on. If he thinks that brutality and oppression will get rid of jihadism or the idea of martyrdom …. All that brutality and dehumanizing is just fuel for martyrdom. They have no other hope. And then there is the human instinct for vengeance which we are clearly seeing Israel doing right now.
Were all the German citizens who died in WW2 collective punishment? More than 40k German citizens died as a result of WW2…is that considered collective punishment?
Nice one!!! You really got him!! Wham bam thank you Sam! Do World Champion Losers ever get to compete in the pseudo competitions? Cause I’d love to see you take down Sam Harris.
@@porfiriomunoz3675 He is the world champion because he doesn't know what he doesn't know and you can't get him to know things that he doesn't already know because he (like all pseudo intellectuals) believes he knows everything. His ego knows no boundaries.
@@shyman3000 word salad brother. Vacuous, frivolous piffle. Pathetic. Sometimes people say something so stupid the only real response is to underline it. If I this was a Greek myth I’d condemn you to a mountain top where you’d read and re-read your dizzyingly fatuous and clumsy jumble of words.
I'm embarrassed to say that I once took Sam Harris seriously. "Humiliation is actually the proper goal" 16:34 . The actions of an organization should not have an impact on the nutritional intake of 3-year-old children. This is indefensible.
I’m curious, what compelled you to share this confession? You thought everyone needed to hear about your metamorphosis? Just like you want everyone to know you bought one of those stupid monkeys? Or is that what you actually look like when you’re so embarrassed?
I won't comment on the interview... because nobody asked me and I don't pretend that anyone would care. I haven't been infected by the social media virus that makes people like you, @wicksavage3459 & @welanks , feel like a pundit or a prophet with game-changing epiphanies and hot takes on the most consequential topics. However, out of ignorance and genuine curiosity, I do have a few questions: How do you think we arrived at a place where people such as yourself feel compelled to share their personal feelings and opinions with strangers? Why the arrogance in believing your voice just neeeeeds to be heard -- assuming there are thousands of people waiting for you to share your confessions, regrets, and personal journey as a thinker? Are you the kind of guy who buys bumper stickers and walks around in t-shirts emblazoned with political slogans, proud declarations, and ironic catchphrases like "Everyone is entitled to MY opinion!"? What else do you want to signal or advertise about yourself? Are you not embarrassed about buying the bored ape profile pic as a weird flex?
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Dear Sam, Please don't put Iran in the same basket with Syria or Afghanistan in terms of hopelessness. The rebuilding you mentioned is already happening in Iran. We started the Woman, Life, Freedom revolution against a religious government in the middle of a deeply religious region. We love Israelis. Most of us are not religious at all, and a big percentage of us even hate Islam.
Speak for yourself, Azadeh! I’m Iranian and I don’t love the genocidal State, neither does any freedom-loving Iranian.
uncle sam
@azadehfarshidi, I really hope so. Iran before the revolution of the late 70's was so much better than the country now. Israel could be a great ally of Iran if it had a different government.
@@leili2007 If you support the current Iranian government you don't support Freedom. Israelis have more freedom in Israel than anyone in Iran. Women have equal rights in Israel, you can be openly gay and not fear for your life. You can be whatever religion you want, and you can openly criticize the government. Women can also where whatever the fuck they want, which means not covering there head.
@azadehfarshidi, as an American Jew, you give me hope. I would love to see Iran and Iran allies. The two countries could gain a lot from each other.
"We should never assume people are bluffing when they want to eradicate a whole population"
Thanks Sam! Good advice as always! Spot on!
Yes, and we are witnessing Israel as they are wiping out the Palestinians. What do you think about that?
Clearly the one actually erradicating a whole population are the Israelis. From their Likud thesis to their current genocide.
The joke is on you !
That means we need to take Israel government seriously when they talk about ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians
Isn't that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians?
Sam has been incredibly encouraging for me personally. It’s felt hopeless here, and hearing one calm voice of reason in the midst of seeming insanity has given me hope.
Seriously you are admitting to wanting to be brainwashed into staying where you are too frightened to think for yourself.
He and the host likely backed by war financiers are saying the same scripts as regime changers have always said and done... Entire groups are labeled as good and evil so you never have to feel your own feelings of complex humanity and the far more EVIL ARROGANCE of colonists, imperialists, monopolists, authoritative haters of your individual God Given Rights. Think again and remember your beliefs in compassion are more like people you know than the I'll will of resource rapists of corporate overlords.
Israel won’t last
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
You're a loser.
So many Iranians do not believe in any religion. We believe there are better tools, like philosophy, psychology, meditation ..., to find our path through life and the freedom movement has already started in Iran. Iranians are different from other Muslim countries in the region. In fact, the reason we don't speak Arabic and have preserved our language and traditions is due to our resistance against Islam. Iranians are held hostage by the Islamic Republic, with many regime members not even being born in Iran.
I am American and have heard our governments rhetoric about Iran my whole life. I suspected that many elements of this narrative are inaccurate but many of the things you write are new to me. Thank you for posting and informing me further on the matter.
90% of Iranians are Muslim. The rest are other religions.
Stay strong, love from israel
I despise when Pahlavists who don't even live in Iran pretend they represent the Iranian people.
Iran and Iranians are the educated middle east. We have our diffrences but you do undersatnd that genoicide of otheres is not the answer.
Not the funniest set I've seen at the Comedy Cellar
Thats what is funny about it
37:39 "Martyrdom is the ultimate career opportunity" - Sam Harris.
That's comedy gold.
Best deadpanned delivery since Steven Wright!
the funniest bit is that he goes "the difference between israel and palestine is if the israeli's found out that one of their soldiers etc raped a palestinian woman or child etc they would prosecute them, thats the difference". When we have direct evidence that Israel literally when provided with this evidence of systematic sexual assualt that was being tracked by a group to protect woman and children in palestine, they shut this charity down calling it a terrorist organisation. Yet sam doesn't here about this, he hears about the claims of systematic rape as a weapon of war, the claims that have been proven false but he still says they're true and they the palestinians don't care and are totally ok with this. Its just a smear of a whole people with zero evidence to back it up, while having evidence the israeli's have raped palestinians in detention and sexuality assaulted them yet he 'hasn't heard" when it's an israeli in the wrong, and even if he does here he just assumes they're going about it in good faith.
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations.
Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that.
“Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.”
(Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.)
In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million.
The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies.
Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”.
And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre.
The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun.
In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes.
In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim.
Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists.
With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism.
The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”.
Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
Love Sam. However dear God, are we unable to ask him questions other than questions about Islam, Trump, & drugs? I think I've heard Sam answer the Islam, Trump, & drug questions over 500 billion times.
Ask him something different, like did he ever date anyone while gallivanting the Himalayas? Did he ever fall down a mountain? Rumor has it Sam had shoulder length hair when in Nepal. While walking back & forth through the mountains, was he able to condition his hair? Did his thick curly hair become dreadlocked? These are questions no one has ever asked, & I want the answers.
We should ask about his thoughts on free will
I always liked sam, I don't care about his hygiene, hair style, eating habits, or dating life. Since circumstances around the world constantly change, alter, morph, or evolve moment to moment...I want his most recent response to those top subjects that produce the greatest world consequences. I don't need to know his favorite buffalo wing recipe.
@@gwtunney On a less frivolous note on my behalf, I want to know "his most recent response to those top subjects that produce the greatest world consequences" too. This isn't a false dilemma, there aren't two mutually exclusive options, both can be done. It's not one or the other.
I’ve read every book Sam’s ever authored. I’ve read what would is likely be every article he’s ever authored that remains available on line. I’ve read his PHD thesis ‘The Science of Values’ (PubMed) over 40-ish times. I’ve corrected those who misrepresent his view hundreds of times over a period of 8 or so years, & I’ve listened to every Making Sense Podcast.
It is true for me to say that Sam is my greatest intellectual hero, & I love him as a person, independent of his intellect, too.
My point is, it’s wise for interviewers to keep things new & fresh. Especially given a) the nature of the internet, & b) how far reaching Sam’s knowledge & insights are.
There’s a good chance that if a youtube interviewer were to clip a funny “short” of Sam talking about that time he fell down a mountain, or how dreadlocked his hair became, rather than clip his thoughts on Trump (which there are already many of), Sam’s reach & influence would be greater than it is - & it should be greater than it is because, to my mind, he is one of the best thinkers we have.
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
@BarrySometimes I can see where you are coming from.
Lets see Sam Harris vs Norman Finkelstein.
People have been asking for ages, but sam is scared. I don't know why.
That would be a waste of time. Finkelstein just makes shit up and then can’t defend his point. All he ever does is attack his opponents instead of their arguments.
@@00Julian00 dont think he is "scared", he hasnt done a (formal) debate for over a decade. He is just not intersted in "debates" anymore, he has said he thinks they are most often pointless and doesnt convince anyone.
@@KevinUchihaOG well Sam has these "discussions" with people like Jordan Peterson who talks about religion in a way contrary to Sam. No better way to see the validity of his arguments than to be challenged instead of just making assertions.
I watched Finklestein and all he had to offer were insults.
He was embarassed by a streamer for showing his colors.
Only 1 single digit brain cell people think Fonklestein is some kind of power house.
He is embarassing!
What an excellent interview. Really informative. I'd like to congratulate the host on giving his guest all the time he needed with interruption. So refreshing in this day and age where shouting and anger seem to dominate these formats.
Thank you both.
I've been in Tel-Aviv many times for business and in other parts of Israel a handful of times. At least Tel-Aviv, it's the among the most secular cities I've visited. They could care less about Judaism as a religion. I've also been in Jordan and the Palestinian territories. In all instances, you could have a hysteria-free conversation about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, which is almost impossible in America. In fact, the most sober assessments I have ever heard about the conflict came from a Jordanian bus driver in East Jerusalem, a random Jewish guy working at my hotel, and a Palestinian doctor in Bethlehem. Good luck finding that hysteria-free conversation in the halls of Harvard or Stanford or in Israel friendly media like The Daily Wire.
Apologizers for war crimes. Israel is a loser, pariah state punching down to support zionism which has nothing to do with judaism. Israel is a crime against humanity.
That’s surprising given what media I’ve seen coming from Israel recently. They don’t seem secular.
@@DoggoWillink It is different and unique. It's one of the least God-believing cities in the world. Wildly secular. In fact, I'd say residents of Tel-Aviv treat the religious folk in the interior of the country like someone in LA would treat someone from rural Mississippi.
@@DoggoWillink Israel is very secular as in not a religious state and most people are not orthodox. there are sects of them but not the majority. By far. And most citizens in israel don't want any religious members of parliament changing the laws to accommodate their point of view on marriage, etc for instance.
I agree with Sam that religion clouds human thinking when it’s not pointed in a humble loving direction.
It always clouds human thinking, its just less harmful sometimes. But its always a slippery slope to accept unreasonable thinking like religion
@@jonathanjrgensen6774Do you mean ‘unreasonable’ or non logical ?
@@duncansteedman9986 I mean unreasonable
@@jonathanjrgensen6774 Surely the human desire to invent reasonable explanations is exactly rational?
@@duncansteedman9986 it's reasonable to seek out explanations, it's not reasonable to just invent an explanation. Not requiring good evidence or proof for your beliefs about reality is by definition unreasonable
What's the name of the interviewer?! Why don't videos list the names of the principal people in the video, if not in the title, at least in the description?!
just found out the interviewer's name is: noam dworman ✅
@@billlawton7535Thanks!
@@billlawton7535 Thanks!
Sam was on my suggested reading list almost 20 years ago in Phil 1301, and I’ve been reading him ever since. It should be required reading in 8th grade.
I don't like identity politics, but I also feel like making it your core issue right now is like worrying about an ingrown toenail while you're having a heart attack. Decades of right-wing economic policies since Reagan have torn down the gains made in the 20th century that created a middle class, New Deal policies, unions, labor laws, regulations, etc. No one has ANY argument against the numbers over the past several decades in terms of wealth and income inequality and the damage done to the middle class.
Before unions, New Deal polices, labor laws, regulations, etc., average people were working 12-hour shifts in Andrew Carnegie's steel mills literally 364 days a year. (They actually had one day off a year.) Coal miners were dying in mines while they were indentured to the "company store" basically working off debt, etc. etc. etc.
Economic oppression is the worst oppression that can exist in a "free" democratic republic, and as our history shows without our vigilance can obviously exist freely and fully within the context of our "Constitutional rights".
And the end-game is an overall lowering of the quality of life the average person accepts, and I mean a significant lowering. Home ownership becomes a thing of the past, different families share rent, transportation, etc. Free time is significantly reduced. ("Weekends" are a relatively recent concept.) There are only two ways to go on this, left or right, and I would rather deal with some loony identity politics wackos until society tires of them than Republicans who are complete and utter shills for oligarchs who want to turn us all into wage slaves.
And you can say what you want about China, the whole creation of China as a "superpower" was a result of the republican supposed philosophy of "we can't let the government interfere with business". We had a small window to tariff the f*** out of corporations that shipped our manufacturing jobs to China, (it's far too late), but the republicans that duped the morons with the whole "don't interfere with the free market with your government regulations" lie, and blamed unions and "overpaid" workers here (as if either of those are arguments when you're switching your labor market to $1 a day communist wage slaves). But the right gets a free pass on that it seems.
Bill Clinton was a Republican?
Alan 😅
Sam really is a national treasure. His way of thinking about things from all angles is rarely seen particularly given our current political nightmare
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Sam Harris logic-
If everything was different right, I would not be wrong right, and since eveything could be different right, I am correct right.
Somone suffering from NPD is incapable of admitting when they are wrong.
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@@CP-nl2zb very normal behavior
Excellent conversation. Thank you for doing this.
So true that the moderate elements of Islam must put an end to jihadism and send the fundamentalist element to anger management classes.
I enjoyed Sam's books, The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation.
To the suggestion that Israel "guard the fence" better what are they going to do about the rockets?
Noah is in serious denial.
And about many other developing technological and pathological problems.
Directed energy?
How many people have been killed by rockets over the years?
@@imacmill Less than have been killed by rocks since we discovered rocks, strangely enough.
This is one of THE best conversations I’ve heard. Sam always fulfills my curiosity…
I am however sceptical of his permanent right eyebrow raise…
As someone from Poland, the vagueness around the label of "Jewish" always intrigued me, with there being so many varieties not only of sects of Judaism, but interpretations of the term itself.
I grew up near Hasidic-controlled communities and always associated Jews with their Synagogues and Orthodox attire, but I also knew 'modern' Jews who wore their yamaka/braids but dressed casually, as well as those who didn't have any religious attire/hairstyles.
In my mind, the religious part of it (Hanukkah and Sabbath) was parallel to the distinct ethnicity because of how the religion strongly regulated bloodlines and made that known to outsiders.
Just cause it doesn’t make sense to you, doesn’t make it vague…
It's objectively a nonspecific term.
No it’s not. The crux of this post is to basically point out that people identify as Jewish willy-nilly. It’s not for outsiders to ponder over what and what doesn’t make someone Jewish. Jews do it all on their own. Instead of making a useless post on social media faking an interest, if that interest is real, go and make friends with people from that community to get an insider’s take. If you have any connection to any Jewish community anywhere you would not make this post on social media.
Lots of strong (incorrect) assumptions there
@@Nitrotix1 kind of like listening to Sam Harris speaking on Islam-isn’t it? The “great expert.”
Sam Harris has a brilliant mind. His thought is capable of surpassing ego. One is confronted with extreme intelligence and honesty and goodness.
Hamas is dastardly, obviously, but exactly what you expect them to be; they are governed by resentment. What worries me more is the privileged, enlightened west's lack of support for the productive, principled democracy that is trying to remove Hamas from Gaza. The condescension is stunning. Stay three steps ahead of the US and UK, Israel.
Israel lives inside the storm. It has to be tough, or go under.
@@rodgerhempfing2921or go back to Europe and stop begging me for my tax money.
Are you out of your mind? Since 2005, there's been not one Israeli soldier or citizen in Gaza and billions of dollars in aid has been ploughed into it. Instead of creating a state, they built tunnels and bought weapons and fired thousands of rockets at civilian centres in Israel. They could've added yet another Muslim state to the 22 already existing Muslim states. After WW1, France and Britain handed 99% of all Ottoman land to Arab populations to form Arab nations. The final 1% was the Mandate for Palestine.
Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. - Peter Ustinov
@@Mikhailmorro123 Gaza's received billions of dollars in aide so they were far from poor.
I'm athiest and ethnically jewish. Israel didn't form because jews were so jewish and thirsty for the holy land but because of people like me who even thought they integrated into society they still got singled out and persictuted for having a jewish mother.
You mean like jews persecuted my great grandfather for not wanting to be enslaved by french imperialists
victimhood
@@cros34 Nazi
And because they could now defend themselves, which all of Europe failed to do.And now we see it again, especially in London they fail again.
It is still not your land.
I always look for the book title, “Pooh Bear on a Windy Day”, in the library backdrop. Love Sam’s clarity!
Noam, what a great interview!
Thanks!
Sam is the glimse of sanity in this insane state of the world right now
rather doomsday than sanity
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations.
Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that.
“Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.”
(Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.)
In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million.
The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies.
Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”.
And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre.
The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun.
In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes.
In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim.
Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists.
With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism.
The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”.
Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
Sam, you still seem to be able to read my mind since I met you at the humanist conference in Albany in 2005.
Thank you for the cerebral and respectful interview
And every cease fire has been violated by the Palestinians. There was a cease fire in place on October 6.
Thank you Noam.
We NEED more people like Sam Harris..highly objective..Islam NEED also to know the LIMITS of its power..
Great conversation!
That was quite a collection of topics. On the one about MDMA I agree with him that it has the most posative effect on the brain. They are presantly at stage three trials of using MDMA on people with PTSD, with great results. As someone who has used it a few times I can say it is a wonderfull drug to take in the right place and time. If it could be government controlled to guarentee quality I would use it more often.
Absolutely. MDMA is love.
Sam Harris, brilliant and clear as always, thank you for this interview
rather coward
@@cros34whom?
Sam doubling down on "bombs can kill bad ideas" is unbeleivable horrific and is in opposition to all evidence.
I used to be a big fan of his. It is interesting how someone can be so "evidence based" in some topics and so cruel and unjustified on other topics.
i don't think you are right. when you say evidence- how you pick them?
You are never going to be able to reason with people who believe they're doing God's work. Never.
In a perfect world, reason is the way to go.
But nothing about this world is perfect. And the definition of what you and I would consider a perfect world is 180 degrees out of phase with religious extremism.
When 9-11 happened, were we supposed to sit back and do nothing?
Sam Harris - my hero. Please watch your back.
Wise, eloquent and interesting. As always.
Sam's the man!
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The bit about Islam was pretty funny
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Civilised people in Ireland 🇮🇪 support Israel 🇮🇱. ❤❤
here here
Denmark saved 95% of its Jewish population, but we also surrender after 2 hours
Yesterday I saw some footage of the surrender, we had no choice, they (German and their friends, many were Ukrainians) came armed in GREAT numbers.
@@yendid7587 i don't know if the surrender was because they were more armed, or because we had a strategy to keep our country in tact, but this most be one of the fastest surrender of all time ;)
@@yendid7587 most likeky cuz they were more armed, but still xD
I didn’t know that but after reading your comment I checked it and it is true: estimated Jews in Denmark 7800, deported Jews 500, killed estimated 116.
All the others were sent to the neutral Sweden.
Great!
I loved this conversation. The mutual respect they continued to have for each other after the conversation seemed like it was about to end but did. Noam and Sam should talk more, there's more to be said.
About to end? At what point did this hallucination occur? They are both Zionist supporters and they pretty much agree on everything.
To solve the racism issue - capitalism need some serious revisioning, as Sam Harris said, CHILDREN need to be all given the same kind of opportunties to eat healthy diets, go to school, save from gang violence, etc. Test scores MUST remain in place, selection processes need to be merrit-based.
Sure the interview is great but audio levels are so low I can barely hear in my AirPods while walking outside. Please turn it up a bit in post next time. Thanks
Buy proper tech. Airpods are not noise isolating
@@davidcooks2379 Good morning Scrooge McDuck and thanks for your response. Indeed, they are not but for 95% of all other TH-cam videos I watch, they still work fine, but they didn't work fine for this one. The reason for that is the low audio level on this video, not the lack of noise canceling. I wish you a profitable and greedy Friday, sir.
some headphones have larger woofers than others, so its hard for a mobile phone to drive the volume effectively. if you have airpod max they have large speakers. Look into a mobile amplifier (you can get one for maybe $20), or get smaller headphones.
God it is so refreshing to listen to intelligent people talk. ❤
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
Oppressed minds fear the truths that contradict their doctrine. Not too late to become the human you claim to be
Allie I really like your profile picture and if you let me, I would make such an amazing mural out of it! If you don’t mind one of your pictures could be my inspiring muse for an art project i’m working on for a client. You will totally get paid for it as well as a bonus also get credits.
"Lunacy", being the operative word when panning over the genocide happening in real time in Gaza.
"Jews waiting for the messiah to return" @5:24-no Mr. Harris we are not, that would be Christians. We are waiting for the messiah to make his first appearance.
Correct! And an equally stupid proposition.
Jews have the Messiah. He already came. Rapaport is all over the place.
Whoa! Nice one! You just nuked Sam Harris! I was like, ‘what’s the likelihood Sam misspoke?? Then I realized it’s much more likely he just doesn’t know anything about religion. 😂😂😂
@@thankuwerehaha!
@@porfiriomunoz3675are you being sarcastic?
Israelis who want to settle in Gaza never said they want palestinians out of Gaza, they say, Palestinians can stay but jews can also live there
Sam Harris, you should debate Medhi Hasan and learn a thing or two. The lack of depth and context is so apparent that Sam just represents plain old bigotry and racism. All you folks, follow Max Blumenthal or Aaron Mate or Norman Finkelstein who will open your minds.
Sam is coward he will nave do that..... guaranteed
One cannot be bigoted against Muslims. Islam is intrinsically bigoted, so you have it inverted. Mehdi Hasan is the bigot who once said atheists, infidels, and gays were lower than pigs.
Islam isn’t a race.
What is he wrong about?
Hello Mr Harris! trust you are well. Love your exchanges. So cerebral. Such a treat to listen to you.
I tried listening to Sam and could not. The man who teaches peace and meditation and likes Buddha’s message of loving kindness on his Waking Up App, sounds so different when it comes to Israel. He was sounding as if he would welcome WWIII over this.
He’s just talking in baseline terms of how we need to address people who wish to see a whole ethnic group removed from the planet. Islam continues to be the only religion left that has not met with modernity.
Yes…totally shocked coming from someone who supposedly has been meditating for so many years…something is terribly off…
It sounds like you are quite ignorant on the topic of jihadism. Most westerners are. Dont point fingers, pick up a book or two.
Buddha spent his entire life sparodically, and an entire decade continuously trying to reach enlightenment. I think you're judging and comparing sam too harshly. There's no fault in being biased or prideful if you understand and are continuing to better yourself.
Mentioning the use of "human shields" as a distinctly Hamas tactic is so unfortunate. It's sadly being used by both sides in the conflict 😬
U can not force a woman, who accidentally got pregnant, to carry and deliver a child if she doesn't want to.
You certainly can ban abortion in a certain states. You can't prevent a woman from leaving the state to kill her baby though.
How do you accidentallysuggest? unprotected seggs?
How does one accidentally become pregnant? Does involve tripping and falling into fornication?
No it only involves a woman who must take responsibility-men have no role at all-jeeesh-but that is the premise of religion-boys will be boys but women are at fault if these boys stumble.
@@invisibull8413 It involves not planning to have a baby... Obviously.
The problem is not in radical Islam the Problem is in Islam ~ HH prince 🤴 MBS
The problem is religion.
@@kristopherloviska9042 you people leave these kind of Comments out of your Naive judgments that if someone have left Islam would have fallen into some other dogma. Grow up man You’re not the Only Rational Atheist living on planet earth.
So True. Has Hamas really done anything Mohammed didn't do??? Mohammed led armies to slaughter Jewish tribes in Kaybhar, Medina etc. after the Jews there refused his invitation to join/follow him in his new religion. This is documented history, not scripture. Thus, Hamas (& many muslims who commit violence) are simply following the example of their most revered Prophet & founder of Islam.
@@kristopherloviska9042calm down, Stalin
@@alamagoddystyle Have you not seen the fanatic Jewish and the fanatic Christians? Grow up, sweet summer child!
Been waiting for this duo to get on podcast together for years. Two of the clearest and rational thinkers of our time. Lets do more !!
Who would have thought that I, as an Israeli Jew in Israel, could listen to Sam Harris for 90 minutes and agree with almost everything he said?!
I have been a big fan and staunch supporter of Sam Harris for over a decade. He has sensibly claimed that none of his ideas are bigoted and it's all about fighting bad ideas and doctrines. Unfortunately the time has come for Sam to take a deep look into the mirror and consider the possibility that he has become a bigot and has not realized it. The only way he can hold the beliefs he has today and say the disgusting things he says is by being wildly uneducated about history and totally out of touch with modern affairs. Sam I hope you come to this conclusion soon. I hope you awaken once again, become a voice of reason again. The world could use you.
Has become a bigot ? Lmao he always was
not a single example this long winded ad hominem
Where did he express anything bigoted at all?
@@gnlout7403 crying ad hom isnt going to make what the poster said any less true.
@@Oneflyingchair cite an example of an arguable point the poster made.
Been waiting for these two to hook up on the pod for quite some time.
If you are 20 minutes into this video, and you’re once again struck with the impression that Sam Harris may not be as lucid and intelligent as his fanboys want you to believe, you’re on the right track. This is just cruel and selfserving obfuscation of the actual root of the problem, from a spoiled manchild with an ego problem.
Also note how Sam "I don't want to be wrong for even a moment longer than I have to" Harris *never* invites people on his podcast who challenge his positions.
@@twntwrsthats most shows on both sides, ESP the anti-Israel side.
@twntwrs this is either a lie or just pure ignorance. He literally just did this last month with Rory Stewart.
Wow, pure ad hominum with literally zero substantive critique. I guess you really don't have any actual arguments...
@@eric1020found Sam! 🙋♂️
Plase let peer morgan pay attention to this wonderful host way of interviw very professional and easy to follow
We’re not going to gloss over the fact he just compared abortion; reproductive rights to heroin usage? lnsane. This is the problem with this debate. More developed European nations have legalized this to the point here it is no longer an issue.
And Sam Harris says ‘if you don’t want to carry a pregnancy, just have the child and give it up for adoptions’. This is the most uninformed statement I’ve heard from Sam Harris and I’m quite surprised. He acts like pregnancy is a bag you carry until you want to give it away. Pregnancy endangers the life of a woman, puts them out of commission completely for jobs. Stop undermining that process. It’s asinine
You are correct. The physical and psychological impacts of a pregnancy and childbirth stay with a woman for her life, even if she gives the baby up for adoption.
I am a Christian looking to revert from all this religious nonsense. Sam harris helps, but i misss when he would do his anti religiokn talks. It brought sanity to my mind. I think new age ideas would help as thry have helped me in the past, but that all kinda vague. Does anyone have ANY advice?
I would start reading some philosophy of ethics. Get a beginner’s survey book and then read the source material when you’ve got a solid base of understanding. I’m a huge Kant fan. I think the deontologists provide a resonant alternative to religion. And get out in nature.
Advice? Yeah, engage with the world; it's rich enough on its own. Find meaning in your job, relationships, hobbies, interests, etc. Also, read stuff on virtue ethics, humanism, epicureanism, and forth.
I guess that's not relevant anymore. The fight is now not with all religions, but specifically with radical Islam
Steer clear of the New Age stuff. I was a Catholic and left it, felt like something was missing, and got into Scientology to fill what seemed to be a void. That lasted about a year and a half, and I finally tossed all of it into the same pile of rubbish. Over time, I just got comfortable with the discomfort of uncertainty. Better that than believing in gods or woo woo.
Watch this vid from some years ago where Harris and Shermer team up to debate one of the most visible purveyors of New Age crap:
th-cam.com/video/nupB70anRrQ/w-d-xo.html
If you are looking to revert from all this religious nonsense as you say, can you honestly say you were really a Christian to begin with? I struggle with the word revert. I'm a Christian. If I left my faith I would acknowledge myself to be an apostate in the true meaning of the word. I feel like revert is a word of deception and disguise and shame.
I wish people would just be honest and say that they believed a wrong thing about God, and left that wrong God and never knew the real God or that they just couldn't give up their own ways and own thinking and rebelled against the God they once knew. Just be honest.
As a theist and I love the way this man thinks and explains his thoughts. He is very practical and logical and insults no one. I agree with him entirely.
Other then the drugs remarks I agree with him
I disagree with him strongly. He made several false statements.
@@Celisar1 Like what?
@safaricat5900 He has never defended genocide. What an absurd thing to say. Surely you realize how ridiculous you sound right?
celisr is afraid of the real world
“Waiting for the messiah ‘to return’??? That’s not what Jews are thinking at all- for the messiah to ‘arrive’ is what we are waiting for.
either way it sounds like a mental illness
Yeah, that man is not too clever or informed after all.
@@Celisar1although return is accurate, the Jews still wait for a messiah that already came. Unfortunate.
Semantics that change nothing. You petty bigots need to grow up and get past your hate mongering
Super exchange. Sam's logic sits well with his formidable command of the English language.
He has a PhD after all.
Thank you for the truth sam❤
This guy has lost so much respect in so little time.
Remember when he said it was a good thing the media lies to us plebs?
Who's respect? Random nobodies on the internet? Yeah, that's probably a good thing
Hey Sam, did ever occur to you that we are today facing bigger danger than Radical Islam. That danger is called Radical Judaism.
I am asking you this as an American who is originally from Europe and Catholic as well.
Clarify what you mean by “a bigger danger”. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
@@porfiriomunoz3675 I used my brain, intellect, eyes, ears and got educated beyond elementary school. You should try too. Maybe one day you will understand.
@@zok179 Can you explain lol? Saying you "used your brain" isn't an answer to the question. Islam will soon be the world's largest religion, while there are hardly any Jewish people in the world. I actually probably agree with you about Israel (I don't support them at all), but saying radical Judaism is really dangerous seems odd to me.
Lol. 98% of global terrorism is committed by islamists.
@@zok179 omg you’re such an idiot - ouch!🤣
Sam Harris is a bastion of truth and integrity
Jews are to blame for their own genocide and oppression?
The more you research the less true that turns out to be
@@ai_com Show all work no name guy on the internet
Show all work, random guy on the internet
and genocidal ideation
Sam Harris was actually really lucid and succinct.
Thank you for having Sam on. I don't know how we got here. After everything we went through from 9/11 or the pulse nightclub shooting or the boston marathon bombing - how are we still too scared and sheepish to take a firm stance against terrorism? Pro terrorist activists are chanting intifada in our streets, they are ignored entirely because we as a "progressive" society would be accused of Islamophobia to pushback against it. We're too obsessed with Jews fighting back against their enemies and unwilling to address our own issues with terrorist fanatics celebrating dead Jews in our streets... i keep hearing "the west is next" but they are already here.
They wouldn’t be chanting intifada (which means resistance) if they didn’t have a reason to resist. White European settlers will steal land, loot, rape, maim then get on TH-cam to comment BS
#free
Oh please. No one is complaining about fighting actual terrorists, but what we have seen is thousands of dead civilians in what is arguably a genocide.
But people protesting against the terrorism inflicted on the Palestinians, they are smeared as pro terrorism
Nothing to see here: just Harris going on a tirade about how they are savages, we are civilized.
Ah, common sense then.
@@hg_rebase Sure. It was common sense for British colonialists to think Indians and Africans were just savages. Like it was common sense for the Americans to think native Americans fighting for their lands were just savages.
In hundred years from now, views like these will be viewed for what they are: racist bigotry.
@@Yogesh-jq9jjIf you can't differentiate who/what Harris is referring to as savages, it's mostly an indictment on your IQ, not his views.
See Hatem's response here: th-cam.com/video/RQdCGs7vkRk/w-d-xo.html
@@Yogesh-jq9jjsorry the notion that Native Americans magically & exclusively "own" the entire American continent (or the US) is preposterous. It is only the fact that we have been bombarded with this narrative for decades that makes this narrative seem plausible.
Native Americans walked here from the West. Europeans sailed here from the east. There's nothing magical about walking here from the west versus boating here from the east that makes you "own" everything.
Nor is there anything magical about a person of a specific skin pigment being first to step on a continent that somehow confers ownership of the continent to only other humans with a similar skin pigment. I mean, this is an almost comically primitive blood-and-soil type mindset.
Is the moon perpetually and exclusively "native white land" because white people got there first?
I'm European American and this is my land as much as any native or anyone else.
Hand in hand with this "all white history bad" narrative is the cartoonish whitewashing of the darker side of eg Native American history.
This unpleasant side of native American history is not seriously disputed but universally swept under the rug in politically correct discourse. Like the fact that tribes such as the Comanche were themselves unbelievably brutal invaders who attacked, disposessed and damn near genocided other tribes all up and down the plains.
www.britannica.com/topic/Comanche-people
Comanche raids on other tribes that they conquered and drove out were as horrific as anything your darkest imagination can conjure up: Skinning people alive, burning the inhabitants of villages alive, leaving only a few young girls to be enslaved and 'assaulted.'
Speaking of Slavery, not only Comanches but MANY Native tribes engaged in slavery, BEFORE and AFTER European colonization. WIKI:
"MANY Native-American tribes practiced some form of slavery BEFORE the European introduction of African slavery into North America."
Again, not seriously disputed - but routinely airbrushed out of PC narratives.
See eg curator of the acclaimed National Museum of the American Indian Paul Chaat Smith (himself a Comanche elder).
"These uncomfortable complications in the narrative were brought to the forefront at a recent event held at the National Museum of the American Indian. Titled “Finding Common Ground....
For museum curator Paul Chaat Smith... it is imperative to provide the museum-going public with an unflinching history, even when doing so is painful."
To quote Chaat:
“Obviously, the story should be, needs to be, that the enslaved black people and soon-to-be-exiled red people would join forces and defeat their oppressor. But such was not the case-far from it. The Five Civilized Tribes were deeply committed to slavery, established their own racialized black codes, immediately reestablished slavery when they arrived in Indian territory, rebuilt their nations with slave labor, crushed slave rebellions, and enthusiastically sided with the Confederacy in the Civil War.”
...
"In other words, the truth is about as far a cry from a 'crowd-pleasing narrative' as you could possibly get.... And yet, Smith is firm in his belief that it is a museum’s duty to embrace and elucidate ambiguity, not sweep it under the rug in the pursuit of some cleaner fiction.
Tiya Miles, an African-American historian at the University of Michigan, agrees. At the “Finding Common Ground” event, she meticulously laid out primary-source evidence to paint a picture of Indian/African-American relations in the years leading up to the Civil War.
To quote Chaat again:
“I don’t know why our brains make it so hard to compute that Jackson had a terrible Indian policy and radically expanded American democracy...or that John Ross was a skillful leader for the Cherokee nation who fought the criminal policy of removal with every ounce of strength, but also a man who deeply believed in and practiced the enslavement of black people.”
"We have the undeniable truth of powerful Indian nations being DEEPLY committed to slavery, allied with the confederacy. Also, some of them denying (tribal) citizenship to their black members for 150 years. This is not the narrative I want either. History is awful... it's a quirk of human nature that for one side to be 'good', the opposing side must be 'bad.'
See the full lecture and citations from the National Museum of the American Indian in the link below
Noam says a lot of smart things, but some pretty ignorant things too. I'll note just one. He apparently has no idea what's happening in red America with (lack of) access to emergency life-saving and health-preserving abortions. What a glaring omission in that whole discussion!
I'm aware. I didn't want to go on too long about it. I've discussed it in other podcasts, but this was Sam's time to talk. I don't remember exactly what I said to Sam, but I think I said it would eventually settle into a situation far less restrictive than people fear. Short-term, I don't doubt the problems, but I think the Right has deep hypocrisy on this issue.
@@comedycellarclips perhaps I was too harsh... but I don't recall that issue being discussed at all with Sam, and it's by far the most serious implication of the Dobbs decision. This will not go away easily, simply because the Dobbs framework licenses it. If you're banking on red states scaling back on this, you'll be waiting a long time to collect. And on the substance, a broad "health of the mother" (or even "life of the mother") exception would permit too many abortions for Christian conservatives. There will almost certainly remain *some* states in which these Handmaid's Tale laws persist, until Dobbs is overturned.
Fifty-five years have passed since Enoch Powell warned that the culmination of drawing in unfettered numbers of non-Europeans and, MOREOVER, non-Christians, into European societies would lead to sociological mayhem. And this has certainly come to pass over the past 6 months, with Muslims organising mass pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel rallies, in many major cities in Western nations.
Five years after Powell presaged what was in store for European/Western nations with being swamped with immigrants from the Third World, Jean Raspail’s novel, ‘The Camp of the Saints’ was published. Raspail, duly predicted that France/Europe/Britain would be overrun with millions of culturally unassimilable interlopers from the Third World. But he also forecast that.
“Bleeding-heart liberals would purposefully organise parties to fully assist asylum-seekers to safely reach their destinations.”
(Incidentally, the American, George Lincoln Rockwell, preceded that duo by 5 and 10 years, respectively, with forewarning that North America would be overrun with millions and millions of interlopers from the Third World.)
In 2024, there are about 25 million Muslims residing in a score of Western nations. In 1950, the number of Muslims living in Europe was about 4.3 million, most of whom were in Bosnia, and Herzegovina, and they were/are descendants of subjects from the Ottoman Empire. At present there are in excess of 16 million Muslims residing in Europe, and Britain. In 1950, the total number of Muslims residing in Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ, was 300,000. Whereas now it’s over 8.5 million.
The gruesome reality of how dangerous Muslims are to Western nations first came to glaring prominence in London, on Saturday, November 4, 2023. For it was on this day, we witnessed a huge pro-Palestinian and, moreover, anti-Western rally occurring. It’s estimated that 300,000, pro-Palestinian protestors took part in this rally. In the ensuing 6 months in many major cities, and college campuses across Europe, Britain, the US/Canada, and Australia/NZ, we have witnessed a perpetual flurry of pro-Palestinian rallies. What this all irrefutably exposes is the innate danger that Muslims/Islam pose to the social cohesion of the host societies.
Inevitably, what’s occurring in Gaza will inevitably engender a resurgence of Islamic terrorism occurring in Western nations. Here in Australia, there have been two instances of this occurring. One occasion was on April 24, in Wakley in Sydney, when a Muslim fundamentalist stabbed the bishop of an Assyrian church. The assailant did this, because the bishop had “defiled my prophet”.
And the other instance was in Perth, on May 4, in the suburb of Willerton, when a 16-yo Australian convert to Islam, stabbed a passerby in the carpark of a shopping centre.
The good news to report about that is the assailant is that he was eradicated from existence by a shell from a policeman’s gun.
In the 16-year Reign of Terror stretching from Atocha on March 11, 2004, and not long after in London on July 7, 2005, and all the way through to the horrific murder of MP Sir David Amess, in July 2021, has culminated with Islamic funambulists slaughtering a total of 532 innocent people across Britain and western Europe. But, as we’re all fully aware of, there wasn’t one politician, of ANY of the governments or, opposition parties, in ANY of the societies that, endured these atrocious abominations who categorically condemned Islam/ Muslims for these heinous crimes.
In Dublin on Nov 23, a riot ensued following on from when a teacher, and three young children were viciously assaulted with a knife, by an asylum-seeker from Algeria, who was a Muslim.
Alas, as it was during the 17 year-long Reign of Terror it’s a certainty that, the treacherous political, and media elites, will steer completely away from unconditionally condemning Islam, and holding it unreservedly responsible for the mayhem that this religion has spawned. Instead, they will again perpetuate the line that it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims who would be fundamentalists.
With respect to the two 16-yo youths who committed the attacks in Sydney and Perth, the official narrative to be invoked to down-play affairs will focus upon them being afflicted with mental issues. Rather, than calling out the real issue of them being motivated to kill someone, because they have been poisoned by rabid Islamic fundamentalism.
The MSM, in whatever jurisdiction it might be in the Western world will duly avoid condemning those Muslims marching in rallies who are ardently calling for the obliteration of Israel and all Jews. But for anyone familiar with the prof the teachings of Islam, now that Muslims from an early age are taught that, anyone who does not submit to the teachings of Allah, must be eradicated. This chilling message was virulently expressed by a dozen imams in mosques across England, at the Friday prayers on Oct 27, when they vehemently called upon attendees that “unbelievers have to be wiped out”.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book, Infidel: My Life, which was published in 2007, informs us that, as a child she was indoctrinated that “it’s the duty of all Muslims to either convert others to accept, and submit to Islam or, for them to be eradicated”.
Again, this is indisputably proven with the hordes of protestors who have marched in the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel/anti-America rallies in Western countries, with them openly calling for a new intifada. So, with imams in Mosques in Britain, and also Australia, calling for “unbelievers to be wiped out” or, for Muslims to join an intifada, proves beyond any doubt that, they are totally incompatible with integrating into liberal Western cultures.
Eric is a moron
Why do you care about red America? Blue America overwhelmingly hate the reds so why are you so obsessed with how they choose to handle abortion. Just be happy that in a federal system blue America can have abortions up to the day of birth.
מנסור, אתה איש ישר! אתה בדרך להיות אבא מדהים כמו אבא שלך.
Great conversation. Logical and clear.
You are so lucky that your Muslim friends are not turning away from you. I am a woman and my ( highly educated) Arab friends of different nations have all posted very violent postings and stopped talking to me since October 7th. We already had a clash many years before when we used to cook for fun and they said horrible things to me about Jews which I strongly opposed as the only one( German), I thought because of my nationality they thought I would think likewise.
"educated"
psychedelics for the average person is playing with fire, and should NOT be prompted.
That wasn't my experience but ok.
@@firefly9838 Mine either.
what makes you qualified to decide this?
HPPD is a real danger from using psychedelics. Victims can't read, drive or work.
Absolutely but Sam never prompts. He always tries to distance conscientious use of psychedelics from recreation or abuse. He talks like a father who knows his daughters might hear it someday.
I wrote this comment under Hatem's heartfelt, cool headed video response to Sam and thought I'd contribute it to the discussion here:
The beauty of this podcast is shown by the fact it gives responses and different viewpoints. I love Hatem and Sam. I think they might be talking from two different vantage points or two different levels of threat assessment: Sam's main concern is violent Islamic Jihadism in a volatile world full of nuclear/chemical/biological weapons, and Hatem's main concern is how Sam's focus on Islam and Jihadi violence will affect the lives of everyday Muslims and how many eggs Sam is willing to break to "make the omelet", i.e. eliminate militant Islamic fundamentalism and violent Jihadism.
Sam argues that the problem is there's an intolerable number of "everyday" or "ordinary" Muslims who support, sympathize, or are indifferent to violent Jihad. Sam argues that (1) since Muslims claim religious kinship/brotherhood/sisterhood and (2) to the extent that Muslims are connected by Islam (a system of beliefs), they shoulder much of the responsibility to show the world that they're rooting out the violent actors who are distorting Islam in the same way that Christians would be on the hook if Christianity were at issue. Sam thinks that many people have deluded themselves into (1) minimizing the amount of Muslims who support a militant reading of Islam and (2) ignoring the associations between sincere belief and behavior, and the possibility that a group of violent Jihadis who love their ideology more than the world itself might be able to have access to dangerous weapons is intolerable to him. In this way, Sam's a proponent of Huntington's "clash of civilizations", which I think Benny Morris is also a proponent of. To a lesser degree, Sam is also worried about the anti-enlightenment undertones of ancient religions and their dead weight on society. Basically, Sam is concerned about the effects of primitive ideas in a modern world, and to whatever degree religions have helped humans become civilizational in the past, religions are now anti-civilization. Also, if religious belief (especially religious rapture) influences behavior and religions have different beliefs, then it follows that different religions will influence behaviors in different ways (e.g. Jainism will cause less violent behavior than Islam). Sam argues that people who criticize him for ignoring/discounting the role of history (e.g. foreign policy) in shaping Islamic Jihadi violence are themselves guilty of ignoring/discounting the role of history in understanding Islamic violence. For example, though most major religions have violent clauses in their holy books, the warlord phase of Muhammad abrogates the more peaceful phase of Muhammad. Sam argues that Islam conquered Arabia by "sword" and points to the violent passages in the Quran and Hadiths, and argues many people take those passages seriously. In sum and in Sam's own words, "Religion is the devil's masterpiece."
But just as Sam is concerned with the connection between Islamic belief and violent behavior, Hatem is concerned about the connection between Sam's beliefs (in a less cosmic sense of the word) and violent/oppressive behavior, i.e. people's negative intuitions about Islam can harm (physically/socially) Muslims who are just Muslim like Christians are just Christian. In other words, religion isn't the only important aspect of a person's identity. Imagine how fucked up it would be if a bigot hurt someone like Hatem, whom we all love and know is a good man, because he believes all Muslims are on the hook for the violence committed by "their people". Hatem also thinks Sam (1) overstates the connection between Islam and violence and (2) understates the role of other factors behind the violence (historical, political, and socioeconomic factors), and so mono-causally focusing on Islam is a misdiagnosis of the problem, which at best keeps the problem as it is and at worst makes the problem even worse. In this way, Hatem is more a proponent of Karen Armstrong or Tariq Ramadan's school of thought. When Sam points to the fact that many violent Islamic Jihadis aren't poor or oppressed, Hatem points to the many who are poor and feel oppressed and lost. Hatem would also point to a collective sense of oppression and sense of religious/ethnic kinship that could explain the phenomenon of the wealthy/educated violent Islamic Jihadi who wants to avenge Muslims/Islam (in the same way that many American Christians care about the fate of other Christians in other parts of the world). When Sam points to surveys/polls that suggest an intolerable number of Muslims support violent Jihadis as an indictment on Islam itself, Hatem would say that the surveys/polls don't tell the entire story and Sam just doesn't understand Muslim societies, culture (e.g. honor based), motivations, and grievances. Hatem argues that both critics of Islam like Sam AND violent Islamic Jihadis are cherry picking the same parts of Islamic text to take literally, and so they are selectively choosing the parts that justify their particular goals. If violent Jihadis were truly fundamentalists who actually took the text literally, then they'd also take the peaceful parts literally. Hatem argues that Sam wants to paint Islam as violent, which is why he agrees that violent Islamic Jihadis have the most faithful reading of the text, ignoring the hundreds of millions of Muslims who choose a more peaceful reading of the text. Generally, Hatem thinks Sam is ignorant of the relevant historical details and nuances of the conflicts between Muslims. When Sam points to Muslims being violent about religious symbols as evidence of their fanaticism/radicalism, Hatem points to the fact that some Muslims don't actually care about Islamic symbols because they destroy some Islamic symbols---and even though this doesn't take away from Sam's arguments about Islam and symbols (e.g. depiction of Muhammad), it should at least show that there are conflicting motivations, ulterior motives, and ad hoc rationalizations that animate violent Jihadis given that they pick and choose what they want to destroy.
How complicated is life?
Awesome summary of the arguments (although I think you go way beyond what Hatem actually says, or indeed could articulate). And I think it's clear Sam has the better of it here. What we should care about most is what people actually believe -- actions flow rather directly from beliefs as a default, and we can thus draw the relatively straight lines Sam would have us draw. It's understandable that liberal Muslims wouldn't want to accept the inconvenient truths in question, but when they do so (as Hatem does) their arguments fall flat and smack of emotional upset (understandably, perhaps) rather than genuine intellectual engagement on the core and most important points.
Had I been forced to gestate against my will, the psychological damage to me would have been horrible. I had two abortions, thankfully, because the experience of having anything growing inside of my body was EXACTLY what characters in the ALIEN series of films went through. As an Aspie - Asperger’s syndrome - I don’t like being around other people; as Sartre put it in NO EXIT: L’enfer, c’est les autres.
For example I never liked going to parties and finally just stopped going. I’ve always felt uncomfortable around “les autres,” because I often became a center of attention, being rarely at a loss for words and always having something interesting or humorous or both to say. I say that I don’t want to be the life of the party, but the fact that I so often was led to my conscious decision to abstain. Not that there were all that many parties among my small circle of friends. Upon reflection, it has always been my anxiety that led to my speech.
At any rate, Sam, that when you remarked that the easiest solution to abortion would be to carry the alien to birth and then give it up for adoption, you spoke exactly like a man who never had to even contemplate such a thing. When I was about five or six years old, I experienced an epiphany that shook me so emotionally that I remember it, and how it made me feel, to this day, over 64, 65 years later: I realized that I didn’t have to be a mommy if I didn’t want to; this occurred to me about 15 years before Roe became law. And even before becoming pregnant, I thought it would be awful if I gave a baby up for adoption, because how could I ever stop thinking about it, obsessingly (as is my wont ), worrying if it were suffering at the hands of horrible parents, wondering whether its life were good or bad, happy or sad, &c. Yet, if I decided to keep it, I would resent it for the rest of my thusly embittered life. And that would ruin the rest of my life, and I am much too selfish to resign myself to a joyless life. Now, at 70 and HAPPILY CHILD-FREE, and despite widowhood, poverty, and being trapped in the Hell of Florida, I might say that now is the happiest time of my life!
The other thing that y’all talked about, which I don’t necessarily agree with, is the grisly discussion of not causing a fetus - or did you mean as far back as an embryo? - any pain. But how can actual humans differentiate between our physical pain and a gestating embryo’s or fetus’s potential pain? Could any pinprick cause an involuntary muscle stimulation, a knee-jerk reaction? Sure. But would that qualify as the kind of pain that we the living experience, as a bad hurting that , or know what it is, or equate it with its mother’s gastric distress or the like? How would the potential being identify pain as different from muscle stimulation? O, for that matter, identify such stimulus as a bad, unpleasant, or hurtful reaction?
I love to watch cooking videos, and every time a lobster has to die for us to enjoy its succulent flesh, it is either plunged into boiling water, headfirst, which chefs assure us kills them instantly so they don’t suffer, OR the chef plunges a huge, sharp knife, point first, into the unfortunate creature’s head and cuts rapidly through its face, again with the same assurance. But how do they know? How can we know unless the critter shows some obvious display, like bellowing or some other vocal or physical display the humans identify as pain?
Finally, Sam, you’re 100% correct about Muslims - they may disagree in principle with their fellow Muslims’ treatment of Jews, but they have been conditioned since birth that Jews deserve everything that Allah’s loyal and blessed servants throw at them. Y’all sounded, for a second there, like Islamists could be convinced of their evil ways by reasonable argument, when even we pasty -skinned Western Jews know better. Obviously, just a hypothetical. Muslims don’t have any desire to follow an appeal to reason. They don’t attend lectures; they are subjected to harangues rooted in both political Islam and completely irrational Jew hatred. If Israel doesn’t eliminate both Iran’s nuclear facilities and materiel, and the scientists who are building their WMD, our civilization will perish from this Earth. Will some Muslim scholar please explain to them the fact that the word “virgins” was mistranslated, that the promised reward for their obedient, submissive martyrdom was 72 RAISINS? 😱🤯🤬
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@@EvelynLogan-od7zcAfter everything that I wrote, nothing evoked anything more than this? I give you my soul, yet all you see worth commenting about is cheekbones,
Fantastic discussion. Sam continues his crusade of wisdom and logic and sane analysis.
Until the Third Reich surrendered, the Allies did not provide to Germany's civilian population the kind of aid Israel is providing in the midst of an urban war to the civilian population of Gaza, who, overwhelmingly, voted Hamas into power and to this day, still support it.
half the population of Gaza weren't even born when Hamas won a plurality. Stfu genocide denier.
This is a false equivalence since Israel actively prevents NGOs to reach Palestinians and give food, medicine and water ...you know an actual war crime.
Not giving aid to the German and actively preventing others helping them is a vastly different situation.
Watched first 45 minutes. I think Sam Harris is limited in his understanding to be honest - the Occupation wasn't mentioned once as context. Too often he mixes up Islam and jihadism etc... He could talk for hours on autopilot for sure .... but in this interview he didn't feel any need to back up his opinions. Maybe he just thinks he's talking to the converted & can get away with it. Complacent.
Come on, cry.
Except the religious Jews do not call for violence, do not seek to “martyr” themselves.
oh, totally; look at how non-violent they are being towards those 2.2 million perpetually imprisoned and apartheided people in gaza. j3vvLUV2Cit
No, they just seek to martyr others.
Oh right, they dont call for violence huh? Please try to at least lie a bit better..
Nor do biblical Christians. If anything we are too passive when it comes to the evils of Islam.
The vast majority of Christians stand with Israel by the way.
she is saying the jews who follow the OT are not unaliving brides on their wedding days for impurity.
Not so with this other group. They are explicitly called to follow the example of the founder
I took your advice and took some psychedelics, an excellent third eye opener
These explanations are missing something. When Israel says: "They took human shields," they forget to add "And then we murdered those humans."
If my doctor walks in and they have green/purple/blue hair, then those are the colours that make me walk out.
idk hair color seem kinda irrelevant to medical competence
If you were coming in for a vasectomy, then you might be a little more hesitant 😅
Great interview, Noam! I’ve heard many of Sam Harris’s points on these topics before, but his delivery is so compelling and persuasive that I couldn’t resist listening.
They are literally just the same talking points you can find littered throughout the right wing echo chamber. Nothing nuanced, balanced or particularly informed.
@@ai_comcan you share few points he makes you disagree with?
@@innatro his justification of collective punishment of Palestinians for the actions of Hamas and belief in martyrdom as if they're asking for this and Israel is merely obliging
@@ai_comtalking points that also happen to be good points, and facts some of us would prefer to deny/ignore. And it's not specifically just a right wing echo chamber -- it's anyone who's sane understands these echoes -- dem, republican, independent, Bernie Sanders, etc. Ya know, people who aren't lost and don't hate Jews
@@thankuwere no, just tired and lazy clichés that are pretty standard propoganda fare at this point which encourage a lack of real thought or examination. But plenty of people see through it
Suggesting the Israeli might have exaggerated with the number or type of atrocities perpetrated by Hamas is ludicrous. Israel initially claimed there were 1400 casualties, only because there were so many mutilated body parts, they over counted the dead. Once they put it all together, they came clean. 1200 or 1400 are all way too many!!!!
Agree!
False. You insist out of convenience to ignore 75 years of occupation. Palestinians deserve their independent state... just like you.
@@Sapien12344
Who ruled Palestine before Israel?
Is it possible that Hamas is exaggerating its casualty counts?
Agreed - Sam Harris is a national treasure.
Apostate here. Sam knows well what he s talking about. Thanks for sharing .
Sam, after the passing of Chris Hitchens is my favorite intellect. But I strongly disagree and I’m disappointed (without loosing my respect) at his stance regarding how this war should be handled! Calling it tragic, saying it’s horrible, that 12 thousand children are killed, but because Hamas is using them as human shields (really!! All 32 thousand dead civilians were shields?!) means to him that Israel can have at it to its heart’s content is deeply unjust and unfair. For the sake of the children at least. No one consulted them before October attack. Nor do they support or had voted for the Hamas monsters.
Exactly, can't believe I used to be a fan of Sam Harris
32 thousand say Hamas all woman and children, dont you question how they dont have any counts of fighters in it ?
Unfortunately unrwa schools were teaching the children to kill That's the abusive education. they can't have any life other than killing and martrydom.
What about Israel's children? What about all their future children? Let's say we just declare cease fire, the hostages are miraculously returned, and we go back to how things were Oct 6. What exactly would change now? I would expect other similar attacks from the Palestinians every few years, with more innocent Israelis killed. Why should they put up with that? If you had a neighbor that randomly fired a gun into your house, they would need to go, end of story, and you'd be a fool to just let things go back to how they were. Yes its tragic the neighbor's children also get made homeless or worse in addition to the adult neighbor firing the gun, but why should you put up with one of your children randomly getting killed now and then?
You say "Chris Hitchens" while claiming to be his fan. Anyone who knows him knows he vehemently disliked people calling him Chris. It's Christopher.
I recently listened to Rory Stewart on the Making Sense podcast with Sam. You quickly realise how out of his depth Sam is when it comes to understanding the complexities surrounding Islam and insights into the Muslim world. There is no doubt his Jewishness clouds his judgments and struggles to hide behind his biases. It's amazing how someone who has spent two decades vilifying a religion has never taken the initiative to travel to the Muslim world or engage with Muslim scholars, historians, and academics. I would genuinely like to see him engage in discussions with these experts from within the Islamic community, rather than confining himself to conversations with like-minded individuals.
no hes critical of islam because if its doctrines like the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemers, jihad, martyrdom and the treatment of concubines, to name a few.
nothing complex about those ideas
@@gnlout7403 Every argument he presents could be applied to any religion if scrutinised closely enough. Nearly 2 billion Muslims. The Malay is not the same as the Somalian, who is not the same as the Jordanian who is not the same as the Bangladeshis who are not the same as the Mauritanian etc He uses a minuscule percentage of Jihadists and generalises an entire religion just as Rory pointed out.
Look how confidently he discusses Israel, yet when conversing with Israeli scholar Yuval Harari, he seems hesitant to cast blame on Palestine, aware that Yuval would dismantle his weak historical arguments regarding that region. Sam is not genuine. Behind all his intellectual writing there is a deep level of hatred for Muslims.
@@FBUK the number of Muslims who believe these things actually is not minuscule. He points to polls for one that indicate even Muslims in places like England support some of these ideas.
being that there are nearly 2,000,000,000 Muslims. Of course it doesn’t take a lot of people for this to become a problem.
he criticizes all religions, but the combination of the ideas I mentioned combined with the following of these ideas, makes Islam uniquely bad.
In case you were not aware, he has said that some ideas in the Old Testament are among the worst ideas.
The difference is that there are no followers actually performing these ideas . The same is not true to the faith in question.
he does point out obviously that not all followers believe all of these bad ideas to the same extent
Apologies for the typos
@@FBUK check out the Dr Phil, mossab yousef segment. He shows how Palestinian kids are indoctrinated to hate jews. This comes from the source material. The founding charter of Hamas, what it says the rocks and trees say (to kill the jews). It's from the source material. They didn't make it up.
The Palestinians overwhelmingly support Hamas.
That's terrifying.
Ideas matter.
@@gnlout7403 there's a highly respected professor the US (Robert Pape) who did a comprehensive study of every terror attack between 1980 and 2015. With over 300 cases analysed, he concluded that almost all terror attacks are driven by specific secular or strategic goals aimed at compelling modern democoracies to withdraw their military forces from territories the terrorists claim as their homeland. I genuinely doubt that terrorists commit their actions solely because of religious teachings. Do you honestly believe the likes of Hamas are motivated by religious scripture alone? Their primary concern is there homeland, and that's the fundamental factor driving their actions. Sam always asserts the root cause of terrorism is religious ideology, but he overlooks everything other factors that's my issue with him.
Btw - good news, religion is on the decline, at least here in the UK :)
~21:00 Also... what other war required the provision of aid to the enemy?
All of them since the signing of the Geneva Conventions in 1929 (for prisoners of war) and 1949 (for civilian populations). Whether or not they were followed is another matter, but the _requirement_ was there. That's assuming you include Gazan civilians in your definition of "enemies," a claim that brings up some serious ethical questions, and by the "provision of aid" you mean allowing aid from all sources (Red-cross and foreign aid from all sources) to pass through the blockade and cross the border. It's a warcrime to allow civilian populations to starve, deny them medical treatment, and target them for collective punishment. Between 15,000 and 20,000 children have been killed by the IDF: they're weren't even old enough to vote, let alone support Hamas. Hamas is an evil terrorist organization, but that doesn't mean you get to declare _all_ Palestinians enemies of Israel and deny them basic provisions as a result. Even denying POWs who willingly surrendered the basic necessities for survival violates the Geneva Convention, let alone the starvation, illness, and emergency surgeries without the "luxury" of anesthetic the civilian population is currently being subjected to.
Israel is an occupying power and Palestine is not equivalent to Hamas you ghoul
Great interview. L'chaim. God is my Father and rabbi. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. God spoke fifty sentences to me from above. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem 61 years ago. I just look young)
God's first nine sentences to me from above to my ear. That night towards 11pm I heard Tibetan music from the heavens that I knew no one else could hear. Since then, I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true.
11.17.2015, Eve Beach, Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading, so I sat under the stars alone.
I asked God His name.
He answered, Fundamentally E.
I answered, Energy of consciousness that suffuses everything. Every proton, neutron, electron, quark, spark of light and black hole.
He answered, Don't forget the science.
I asked God, Where do people go after they die.
He answered, "Everybody goes to the same place.
He asked me, "What side of the blade are you on.
I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword.
He then showed me my ascension to Heaven.
He said, "Make Israel one. You are anchor.
God's last sentence to me was four years ago after many months.
He said one sentence. " You are Princess Messenger of God "
In Aramaic, Amira Malaka Elah.
12 hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, Make Israel one. ( It means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham)
A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God.
I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhammad knew this. Sometimes it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people.
Islamic Jihad is anathema to God and life.
Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem.
The time is fast approaching that you will keep you lunacy to yourself or you will kept in a facility to prevent you from harming yourself, or much worse any other human.
Great, Sam Harris!
He’s as biased as they come. You think after 6 months of atrocities being committed by Israel he would find something to criticize. I have listened to him for years and on this issue he’s as dogmatic as all the religious fanatics he criticizes. He says nothing about the collective punishment of Palestinians ….. he’s basically ignoring so many of the facts going on. If he thinks that brutality and oppression will get rid of jihadism or the idea of martyrdom …. All that brutality and dehumanizing is just fuel for martyrdom. They have no other hope. And then there is the human instinct for vengeance which we are clearly seeing Israel doing right now.
It isn't vengeance , it is protection of the citizens in the future.
Agree
I agree … pushing 40k dead is NOT about protection
Were all the German citizens who died in WW2 collective punishment? More than 40k German citizens died as a result of WW2…is that considered collective punishment?
No, you are just wrong here. Why would he criticize them for waging a just war?
Refreshing to see Sam again. Thanks for having him and it's good to hear his views which to m are always very rational.
They are presented as rational but so often fail to stand up when really examined. He is pretty uninformed on so many topics
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
Nice one!!! You really got him!! Wham bam thank you Sam! Do World Champion Losers ever get to compete in the pseudo competitions? Cause I’d love to see you take down Sam Harris.
Philosophers are generally miserable people for undertaking the vain exercise.
@@porfiriomunoz3675 He is the world champion because he doesn't know what he doesn't know and you can't get him to know things that he doesn't already know because he (like all pseudo intellectuals) believes he knows everything. His ego knows no boundaries.
@@shyman3000 word salad brother. Vacuous, frivolous piffle. Pathetic. Sometimes people say something so stupid the only real response is to underline it. If I this was a Greek myth I’d condemn you to a mountain top where you’d read and re-read your dizzyingly fatuous and clumsy jumble of words.
@@shyman3000 What do you know?
He's one of the four horseman of the apocalypse. I'll always love sam
Only a man could suggest that a woman could carry and deliver and "just" give the baby away.
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Sam strikes me as an emotionless ivory tower intellectual.
I'm embarrassed to say that I once took Sam Harris seriously. "Humiliation is actually the proper goal" 16:34 . The actions of an organization should not have an impact on the nutritional intake of 3-year-old children. This is indefensible.
I’m curious, what compelled you to share this confession? You thought everyone needed to hear about your metamorphosis? Just like you want everyone to know you bought one of those stupid monkeys? Or is that what you actually look like when you’re so embarrassed?
Same and agreed.
I won't comment on the interview... because nobody asked me and I don't pretend that anyone would care. I haven't been infected by the social media virus that makes people like you, @wicksavage3459 & @welanks , feel like a pundit or a prophet with game-changing epiphanies and hot takes on the most consequential topics. However, out of ignorance and genuine curiosity, I do have a few questions: How do you think we arrived at a place where people such as yourself feel compelled to share their personal feelings and opinions with strangers? Why the arrogance in believing your voice just neeeeeds to be heard -- assuming there are thousands of people waiting for you to share your confessions, regrets, and personal journey as a thinker? Are you the kind of guy who buys bumper stickers and walks around in t-shirts emblazoned with political slogans, proud declarations, and ironic catchphrases like "Everyone is entitled to MY opinion!"? What else do you want to signal or advertise about yourself? Are you not embarrassed about buying the bored ape profile pic as a weird flex?