4-minute Mastery: Maneuver Like A Pro In Star Citizen | Star Citizen 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I will be following up to my previous Star Citizen keybind videos by showing you how to put those keybinds into practical use so you can learn like to fly like a pro -- all in around 4 minutes. I want to show and explain to pilots new and old when and how to use those controls to fine tune your ship flying, and try to demonstrate the difference between holding "W" and using deliberate keystrokes to easily control any ship you're in. Star Citizen is the type of game that rewards little improvements like this, and I know you'll see a difference.
Obviously, this video isn't an exhaustive look at maneuvering a ship in space, but I wanted to begin to establish the foundations of ship control that separates novice pilots from more experienced ones in a way that is simple to grasp and extrapolate on as players go through their Star Citizen piloting journey.
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This is a fantastic video. A quick addition, you can apply additional (NON-HOLDING W) strafes while making your turns to make them sharper.
Say for instance you come in for a pass with intent to get behind your target. You let your decoupled momentum carry/slingshot you right past the target (WHILE NOT HOLDING W, or really anything for that matter), as you are turning, QE rotate to keep the top of your ship facing the target, and apply upstrafe (SPACEBAR).
This will slow you down (since the thrusters on the bottom of your ship are the second most powerful and because you're changing directions you're now using them to apply thrust in the opposite direction of the direction you came from to begin moving you towards your target) and make it EVEN EASIER to then reapply W once you are actually looking at your target and get behind your target.
Don't forget to tap full power to engines for a second and use afterburner during the turn to make it EVEN EASIER.
This is the kind of information that deserves to not be gatekept from anyone, these are the new fundamentals to flying in MM. Thanks for always putting out actually informative content!
I'm gonna pin this
He pinned it
When a comments really strong...youuu must pin it!
I'm not sure but I think he said STOP HOLDING W
Clearly you weren't listening very closely. He said stop not holding w. People are letting go of w. Mash that baby
It's such an important message
No, he said to stop holding W.
@@BuzzCutPsycho Instructions unclear, cant move on foot to get to my ship.
@@panmac8540
My God i should have clarified myself !!
Never realized that’s what tri cording was tbh they made it seem like some elite movement combo. Thanks for the info and helping the community
Np technically this is bicording but it is close enough. Everyone knows it as tricording
No, it's literally just basic math, so it must be an exploit, right?
Yeah, me too. I really need a piloting remedial course on SC piloting cause I suck.
@@fredoman1323 Controlling your speed for your desired outcome is lesson number one.
Practice practice
When you approach your destination, try to do it as fast as you can, and not over shoot it. Thats the best way to start.
Then practice pointing your ship at a fixed point as you approach.
A great place to start doing this is every time you approach a station.
No it's just something you did really without even knowing you did it the same thing I felt when someone explained it to me
this is one of the most useful lessons i've seen in basic piloting. thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Im just glad this guy tells it how it is and its short and sharp. None of this inflated 20min bull.
Doesn't take 20m to explain most ;)
Very difficult when you have a throttle and you have to push forward and then bring the throttle back to neutral to stop pushing forward I've been practicing this since they took away tri cord I had to move the forward and reverse on the same axis. For anyone with a throttle out there this is the best way I have found it just takes a lot of practice and discipline to bring the throttle back to neutral
Thanks for the tips!
@BuzzCutPsycho better late than never thanks for sparking this conversation no one else is.
I woke up this morning ....repeating in my head...STOP HOLDING W, STOP HOLDING W, STOP HOLDING W......My life has new meaning! Thank you Buzz!
You're welcome! Now make sure you eat your breakfast and take your vitamins too.
@@BuzzCutPsycho Right!..LOL
Now if you were playing Overwatch you need to completely ignore what your brain is telling you. Holding W in overwatch is how you (W)in games.
So I should hold W ?
no
LOL
He said we’re “jousting” lmaooo, great video .🙏
Thanks! Maybe you're not jousting ;)
Get a platform and learn what your inputs actually do. 80% of the opponent's "evasion" was just me flailing around.
Spot on. I like to flail like an idiot
So does this mean that HOSAS users have to try to input only one thrust axis at a time? :(
not nearly as bad, but sorta. throttle neutral basically
A lot of general errors also stems from SC's lack of adequate vector illustration to inform the player of the ship's movement. The oblique view of the circle at the bottom left of the central HUD, displays the 2D planar direction by highlighting the direction of the circle in red. The little ball shows the vector in 3D space but it's very misleading b/c of the angle at which it is shown to the player. It's easier to simply take the ball's movement as up/down, and the circle's red sector and imagine it as a vector addition to know where you're headed.
HUD needs to be revamped. Like having a simple hologram model of the ship, and a 3D arrow extrapolated to show the vector, shorter arrow for lower magnitude longer arrow for larger magnitude. And a mirror image for the locked target too.
You're not wrong at all and SCs information relay is absolutely terrible and does a major disservice to the players. The HUD sucks
Wait, we should not hold w? I guess its a good thing I fly with dual sticks? Truthfully, I instinctively let off forward stick while strafing. But the backward strafe tactic is designed specifically to maintain distance, so no you do not always want to stop holding S as it is suggested. There's a reason you use both, but in this circumstance yes you don't want to.
And tbh the only time this point is valid is against a slower moving target, against another light fighter, its not a crucial thing to remember, because they are going to be doing the same thing you are going to do, and using forward or W has a tactical advantage of keeping you outside their aiming reticle.
This is what is known as a circle jerk in the old flight model. Granted its not as bad as it was before where people were making 25-50g maneuvers doing this which isn't the case now in MM.
You can understand how this actually works by trying to circle strafe around an asteroid in free flight mode. The objective is you want to be as close as possible to the asteroid without hitting the asteroid and maintaining distance. There is a reason you want to press W and strafe at the same time. You won't be able to do this with just strafe in one direction, you will have to use W or S or forward/back to maintain distance against an object that isn't in a stationary position or as the example of an asteroid is not a perfect circle.
This also involves a lot more than just W + D or S + D at the same time, it also involves joystick correction angles. But it helps to understand angular vectors. The Mouse/Joystick angular corrections changes the direction of angular vectors that allows you to orbit an imperfect object such as an asteroid and you can't do this with just one input vector as the video suggests.
And there's still another level to be added to the equation. Boost control which increases the directional velocity of the maneuver in the direction of angular vectors. Its a lot more involved than people think, but at a basic level what the video suggest is just the tip of the iceberg. As much as it pains me to admit this there's a reason racers are better pilots than dogfighters, because they have to actually worry about hitting something, where it is far less common among dogfighters.
This is a good reply with lots of meat in it. Well done.
You're very much fine with how you do it. And judging by your insight into the game you have no issues whatsoever. :)
Funny you mentiom racers since i agree that they have always been better pilots in that regard. When I first started playing the game I ran the courses over and over so I could learn how the ships worked. After a month or so of that I instantly became better at movement and control and just worked on the aim in AC.
@@BuzzCutPsycho Also I still have issues lol. But I don't fly as much as I should. Just think a lot of things change with the game and I don't want to get bogged down on a flight model that is going to change. I'll dedicate more time to it once they solidify the flight model intention.
What’s
Wrong
With
W?
Just kidding.
:)
Thank you, Buzz, fantastic video. I realize you recommend pilots fly in decoupled, but it would be nice if you could do a follow up Tutorial video showing how to fly coupled correctly and/ or a quick tips video explaining when and why coupled might want to be used. Thanks again!
Yes 100%. I will do that. I'm learning that not a lot of people understand the reasoning or methodology behind it
I was told with a basic example, Coupled is plane mode while Decoupled is space mode. The first one makes the ship to point its nose in impulse direction, forward basically, while the later allows to look back regardless the impulse direction. If in atmosphere we had to count on aerodynamics the coupled mode would be adequate, but without gravity the decoupled mode is the best.
I've seen some players switch both modes with key binding.
the more I watch tutorials the more I wanna just never pilot a ship in any form of combat.
Hahahahahahah I HATE IT TOOOO
"stop holding w"
im not. but its still the same problem. i need a second joystick to fix that i guess, as i right now have a throttle bound to forward/backward
and for it to not put a significant amount of thrust in any direction i need to kind of guess where the middle is
its great for getting somewhere, in coupled mode though
Mouse pedals and stick is the meta atm. You should be close to fine without a second stick
@@BuzzCutPsycho im probably gonna get one when i found a new appartment and moved though. but not virpil, t16000 as i have that one
Joystick in mm seems worst than keyboard. Sad but true.
I am struggling with MM and found this video extremely useful. I was still trying to 45 and tri-chord.
Stop it you nerd
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
why I lose? 😅
BECAUASE YOURE HOLDING W
@@BuzzCutPsycho 😄
Love your videos and your communication. Always easy to digest and showing the keys now and where your fingers are goes beyond help. Thanks a lot brother 🤟🏽👌🏽
I appreciate that! I figured it might be very helpful for people and I'm going to continue doing that from now on
dog gamedev tbh ..how did this pass multiple ppl with a paycheck... completly onesided balance decission in favor of keyboard players
Keyboard and mouse is the standard for pc gaming
But what about a joystick, the inputs are not a digital 100% but analog often combined inputs. If I understood your video correctly, the combined movement with the joystick would be wrong, or I would just have to use the individual axes.
If would be less punishing but still limiting. Analog makes it more forgiving
Look, you obviously want subs, I get it. Do it another way. Stop giving away trade secrets. Put a different spin on your intel. Tri-cording has been removed..."Because it is something the not everyone can do!" Put some enthusiasm in your descriptors.
Example, "While I do not press many keys at once, you may like to as it shows how much more dexterous you are!" See?
I need more open mouth faces on my thumbnails with arrows too. Doesn't matter where the arrow points either. I'll sort this out. Thanks for tips here ;)
I use a Syulen, and I destroy in it, however I fly different then other folks. I don't understand why people say the ship sucks.... I disagree!
It ain't bad
I was aware of the new limits on tri-cording. But since old habits die hard (modern flight sims), I have always flown with the roll and pitch mechanic.
It was interesting to see your visual of that new limit though. You can really see it.
It is noticeable but only if it is pointed out. Very weird game cig has
I have never seen any new person sling shot around their target location. I have never seen any new player do that kind of maneuver if they pass their destination as well. One thing I do teach my friends and what not or at least I did before master modes was added was retrograding. You decouple and face the exact opposite direction you are going and at the last possible second you recouple and boost forwards. This would allow you to rapidly decelerate. Master modes changed this for me. Now I go from qt nav mode to scam gun mode at the last second to get the same effect.
Absolutely. I get a lot of new people hoping over to our discord for training and almost all of them keep holding W. Which is what I observed anyway. Your methods are spot on too.
So I assume that on the hotas pushing the throttle forward is the equivalent of W on the keyboard. I have to fight with my throttle pulled all the way back at 0?
Throttle neutral is meta now, yes. But isnt too bad on HOTAS since it isnt digital thus you dont reach the limiter as fast
I'm not seeing this one clearly because joystick users are really doing partial W the majority of the time and it's hard to imagine that they are chained to lower performance as a law of the sc universe
They aren't im sure this is a mkb pleb issue
@@BuzzCutPsycho fair enough
Is there even a time when you should use coupled? Also is there a recommended practice map. I usually use the broken moon map in arena commander.
Landing or taking off usually.
if you want to compare something, or demonstrate, just use a bit of editing, and put two montages near each other, so we could see the difference in real time.
I could but I'm rather terrible at editing. Clip champ can only do so much!
Huh... Guess i naturally picked that up. I thought it would be obvious.
You would be shocked
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW What thanks for this info as a new player I do all of those things
Wwwweewwweee
They f*cking take away the strafe forward/backward from the joystick key binding in the new patch. I can not land my ship with a joystick and foot paddle anymore!
My settings are broken as of last hotfix
Good sir, I don't hold W. I simply sit out of detection range and launch EM missiles. I let poor server performance do the rest.
LOL
Maybe holding S is good for that
Where my W keyers at we must revolt against this heritic once one of us he has lost his way W key must prevail
LOL I lost it when I went to decoupled mode
Is it better to strafe sideways or roll into the direction your enemy was flying past you?
Good question. I'll make a video about this. But in general if they are approaching you and the PiP is say to the left. As you pass you will strafe to the opposite if their pip to get distance or strafe into it to get closer
Top quality examples as always. For a long time I had these bad habits when using FPS controls to fly. Much of it naturally corrected itself when I started learning twin sticks a few years ago.
(Although joysticks do come with their own strengths and weaknesses. neither control method is superior in my opinion. It's not the tool, but how the tool is used blah blah)
Mission dictates the gear and all that BLAH BLAH BLAH
but no in all seriousness I get you. I actually had an entire stick and pedal setup but got rid of it because my brain was programmed for 30+ years of MKB gaming. I couldn't do it.
I'd say proper strafing is more about changing movement direction than about reaching max speed. The more frequently you change direction the more chances you avoid projectiles. So it is acceleration that matters not the max speed you reach. So if you strafe and roll simultaneously - id doesn't matter will you hold W or not. You'll change direction constantly and never reach a speed wall.
Well holding W limits your strafe due to tricord limiter
@@BuzzCutPsycho it limits max strafe speed, not max strafe acceleration. You can easily see it by looking at G's indicator. It'll take 1-2sec strafing with max G in one direction until you reach max strafe speed. When you roll - you change strafe direction constantly and will never reach max strafe speed. Which means - when you roll W doesn't affect your strafe.
the lack of using upstrafe and downstrafe kills me
I kept it simple for the video.
Master modes blow. Feels so slow. I hope they fix it.
Go into nav mode
@@BuzzCutPsycho that’s certainly one solution, however poor it may be. I’m not a complete MM hater, I just hope they increase speeds. MM seems like another type of ship power triangle. It’s needlessly complicating things. Maybe they should have just done more with power distribution play.
I have Hotas I’m basically screwed
You are.
one button and one action at a time is like calling backers stupid because they could not understand to slow down in fights or how to fight. CIG dumbed it sooo far down now you're telling me haha that you only need to do one button at time haha.
You know how you fight big ships well half the time u don't even need to move they do a clock motion around you. Like the 600i / reclaimer you can stay on the belly of the ship and most the time it will just fly around you like its a second hand and you're the center of the clock. You don't even need to move or fly because this is the motion of the NPC.
How to fight a hammerhead well get longer range weapons and back-strafe only it will fly into your shots in a straight line just shoot under 5 second to stop shields recharge and you'll get past them.
how to fight players. Egg motion to avoid getting shot.
tap W boost into them rotate,
shoot
tap W boost into them Rotate,
shoot
tap W boost into them..
jousting them...
Most players are down without shields so easy kills because they stay in NAV mode inside jump points or POI locations easy pray.
Well backers are stupid myself included
@@BuzzCutPsycho Thats just how I see CIG most of the time looking at us. People bitched on the forums, not able to find exits to places, so CIG puts lights on paths in caves. But what is funny about all that is.....
Most places only have one way in. Most cities loop onto themselves, so you can never get lost because it's a fucking loop. But somehow people get lost....
CIG painted the airlock doors red so people could find the exits. lol, tooooo the only exit in Habs.
This is not a joke. Nearly 98% of the game only has one way into most places, and it's lit up or painted red, haha, so you could find your way back.
CIG has a problem with people camping at the only door in and out of places, so people are getting shot by snipers because you made it to where there is only one way in. So to combat this, you add Glint to sniper scopes, lol. 900 years into the future, we have glint, but in 2024, we have technology that has removed it. People are not doing events and just murdering people at the only door. haha,
Let me do SoO event you need to kill a boss that is on a roof. Let me get my grenade launcher and put myself in a spot where, once that elevator door opens, bye-bye, lol players.
All I can see in this game is CIG calling backers stupid without even saying a word.
MM was the nail on the whole thing. When I was training my friends to PVP, none of them could grasp the idea of movements, let alone see the number of M/s you're going to. I would just stop my ship and look at them trying to converge into me. I get these words on Discord popping into my ears: "Slow down" or "God damn, your moving so fast I can't keep up." But, sir, I'm not moving. The number is literally on the target icon to see M/s, showing your speed to the target. None of them noticed that number; all they wanted was to get close to the target and shoot them, but what ended up happening was. ALL OF THEM WHERE TO STUPID TO SLOW DOWN. So what did CIG do? Yep, that's right, CIG forced everyone in the game to slow down.
What I can't understand is, how can people miss this conversion number thats on the target? This one boggles my mind the most. Almost like it was a UI problem and not a player problem.
FFS, I still see vets struggling to get out of hangars. Every time they take off, they bump the ceilings.
OR I'll see vet players that have been playing the game since the hangar days still nose into top-down hangars.
There is so much more to this. but I figured I'd give you a read and a laugh.
Do you have any advice for stick users? I've found racing performance in particular is suffering. Thinking about changing curves or something, bi/tri coord ends up really punishing now.
Sadly no sticks for me
Take your foot off the gas when pushing the clutch or brake.
Holy crap no wonder flying was so hard and to stay on target
Now you know
I havent really flown in decoupled too much ( Maybe execpt to glide into a vector landing) but maybe its causse using a throttle for me gives me kind of the same effect with the sling shot since if i forget to actually pull my throttle back while turning around the same thing happens since theres a physical stick giving the input rather than buttons. But i also dont get into too many pvp fights at the moment that i can see the difference. Good video tho.
Thanks! I tried coupled and it feels so weird so me. I keep trying to like coupled but I cannot get used to it. Coupled may slingshot you though if you keep holding down W, if you remove the finger it should slow you down to a stop though. Sort of like a break.
@@BuzzCutPsycho I feel like that might be because decoupled tries to make keyboard users have more control over their ship in space flight especially since it helps you maintain momentum without any extra inputs. Which i say does indeed help. Ever since i got my HOTAS i really hated keyboard flight cause it is all based off of absolutes and you have far less control over your ship in a pinch without doing alot of extra steps that the stick natrually does for you or speed that can be managed in far better incremants with the throttle. Due to that decoupled flight serves as just a mode i use when i dont want my ship to simulate the drag of flying through atmo in space, but coupled doing that with HOTAS feels far more comfy as it just allows me to fly the same as if i was in atmo anywhere but with slight differences obviously. However, i cant really know the advantages of decoupled on stick until i try i suppose.
The fact thay tri chording no longer works shows a fundamental misunderstanding of newtonion physics on CIGs part
Isn't that the thing with the apples?
It makes sense if multiple thruster output has a limit.
If you're sending all your available output to your main engines, this should have a limit to what is available for other thrusters.
Unless we want to throw that "what would be realistic" discussion in here. Like, why ships 900 years in the future have that kind of limit.
But if we go down that road, then we gotta ask what else would not have limits, for the sake of realism in a game.
Mankind should be genetically able to go days without food, or have self healing properties by then too. Haven't we been working on the ultimate soldier engineering for some time now.
How about armor like Ironman while we are at it.
What about if you're using sticks?
It's just a different input not different game mechanics,Thai also applies to sticks
Than W would be forward strafe. So stop pushing forward i guess ;)
@@BuzzCutPsycho Stop holding the stick hahahahaha
Take your foot off the gas when pushing the clutch or brake.
Its not the race track anymore.
How does the multiple input affect joysticks? It's almost impossible to only put in a single input at a time, or is it a scaled thing? But would joysticks ever get 100% performance in any direction?
This guy is a clown…don’t bother. Lol
Less important for sticks due to analog inputs not hitting the input cap as quickly as digital inputs. You have less to worry about but should still consider it. You don't need a strafe direction unless you need it. That applies to all inputs. Let momentum carry you.
To be fair you can keep holding W if you point the nose correctly.
Which is useless unless you just want to rotate as fast and close as your ships can to the target for whatever reason
Based. And true. Thats all something I can do in another video. For people wanting to get close.
2:15, that's so me 💀 I need to get better, but I only have Mustang Alpha, not a dps ship and it's fast
Just don't get a new ship with real life money.
@BuzzCutPsycho Yeah I plan not too
that is so unintuitive, thanks for the video.
You're welcome!
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwell I guess I have a lot to learn
if you are coupled you need to hold W!
Today I learned how crappy pilot I am.
Hey we can fix that
I think i will hold W even harder then!
Noooooo
So how do joystick enjoyers get past this? aint no way they can avoid it surely..
It doesn't hurt them as much since the inputs are analog
Don't step on the gas while turning the wheel.
Not much different than learning to release the throttle when you push in the clutch.
But we are used to yanking and banking on sticks.
Have to learn new habits.
Whee whill whee whant whee shall win.
2 many Ws
This feels so unintuitive compared to chording. Old system felt natural, if I wanted to go a certain direction I would combine the power of my thrusters to get there faster now if you do the same you get punished for it, feels illogical. Dont know why people couldn't make sense of chording.
I thought it was silly personally. Was just as unnatural as this imo.
Omg man, you are a blast... You had me literally 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 "On that stop holding W at the end" I love it man. Glad I subscribed to this channel because I would have missed out on all these great videos with great informative info and comedy applied on some... Keep Going man. Make that 10k or more soon of Subs. Videos are very helpful...😎👍
Thanks man! And you're welcome. The goal of this channel is to be helpful. Its a hobby for me and I love SC and I want others to be able to get into it too. The subs are nice and positive reinforcement but the most important thing here is making sure people get the info they need in the time they have
@@BuzzCutPsycho You are doing that and more. Wonderful job!💯👍
Just...... STOP IT! 😂❤👍🏼
Haha well it's true !!!
great vid thanks for the tips
No problem 👍
Keep holding W. Got it
Staahp
Stop holding W, Got it!
based
thank you I will try to not hold w
It's ok if you do i won't hate you
@@BuzzCutPsycho 😁
So hold the W then...Got it. 😜
Noooookk
I had no idea. Thanks
No problem!
i got the 666 like!
Based
Just hold S
This isn't wow
Cool, but what if I'm on HOTAS?
Deliberate movement but it matters a lot less since you're using analog and have more room before you reach 100%. It really is only noticeable with two movements being 100% each.
@@BuzzCutPsycho still the "you should be flying decoupled" hint caught me hard. Are there any resources to learn better dogfight movement using HOTAS on decoupled mode?
@@AlexSkylark not sure personally. Some the guys in our org fly Hotas could hit us up on disc
ok but what is decoupled?
You always maintain momentum in your direction instead of being slowed down. So if you are going foward and let go of thrust you will continue to drift in that direction
Its hard to explain. But your ship no longer counters any directional movement on its own. You have to do it manually.
Try it for yourself in an open area of space.
Pro tip: It takes practice getting used to it, if you don't use it often. And if you use both modes often, you have to pay very close attention to which mode you are in. You will likely forget to hit the brakes and kill yourself.
Notice he is illustrating how to hold a point on your nose more effectively when in an extreme maneuvering for something like combat. Salvaging, mining, cargo hauling isn't that crucial for decoupled.
Can I hold W in a joust?
yes
You know that was a joke. I’m appreciative of this video. You explained things in a way that was understandable.
Technically two inputs being held at once is a BI-CORD. Figured I'd sticky this for the sick nerds.
Good grief…….
This honestly just reinforces MM dumbing down combat. Only press one input rather than multitasking. Plus look at all those juicy straight lines for easy shooting
Idk about that. 17g in one direction which is what the bugged hornet does now was a feature before.
Can you explain more what you're doing instead of holding W? I get it we can shift + in another direction, but are we generally just trying to be unpredicable? shift in different directions every couple seconds to achieve "Wiggle"?
I'll make a video about evasion but in general I'm letting my momentum carry me more thus decouple. So if I reach max SCM going forward I release the key and let momentum carry me. I make adjustments with strafe as needed.
Actually. Do you think you need a follow up video? Tell me what you still don't understand and I'll make a better and more informed video about it.
Slight insert: depending on the ship archetype tuning (alongside so many other factors I'd need a character limit about the size of the Library of Congress to type it all out), doing "slash-passes" on a target may be a better tactical consideration vs a consistent circle-strafe. Yes I know that's only a step away from jousting, but there are some ships which cannot trade 1:1 vs their target, and have to play this way.
Hell, Vanduul ships are pretty much designed for this given that massive S5 *and the massive fuck-off physical scythe of a wing they are meant to use as a melee weapon*.
Oh for sure. You can use the Bucc as a semi boom and zoom in that context too. It depends on ship really.
how to do a roll and turn pitch? :)
Roll and then pitch up! Orient your roll so that the enemy is "above" you and pitch into it.
@@BuzzCutPsycho so i use A or D key or Q or E? sorry i;m new and confused on which keys to press :(
@@fastgamingchannels7024 you roll with Q/E and then move the mouse so that the ship's nose starts to go up and you end up turning 180deg to your starting position. Try it separately at first - do a 180 roll (turn upside down) and then pull the nose up until you reach 180 turn (turn downside up).
Meanwhile c2 Pilot : "Smoke time ". What i notice during turning i press space bar or ctrl to turn my nose in heavier ships wich fuk up my turn towards the enemy .
Smoke and hold W in that C2
@BuzzCutPyscho, what is your opinion about doing something like holding [A], or toggling between [A] and [space], and attempting to orbit your target by side strafing?
Totally fine. That's basically feathering the strafe and works fine.
Thanks man! this was the info I asked for before. Much appreciated.
Glad to help!
Another good video! Thanks for the info. I have ALOT to work on and practice.
What about dog fighting in an atmosphere? Still de-coupled? Same, strategy? Is there a difference in approaching that fight?
I'll do an entire atmosphere video. But in general you treat it like a modern jet and fly into the pitch. Depending on ship.
Also there are some settings to disable for atmosphere flight
Theres pvp in this game?
Only in ac
@@BuzzCutPsycho are flight stick useless now?
@@victimUK
God no. Ideal for pvp is stick and mouse though.
Is this double input limitation new as of master modes or was always an issue ?
It is a feature of master modes.
I will take these teachings....and apply them to my dual flight sticks. Thank you, BuzzCutPsycho.
You are so welcome! They help regardless of input
This is why sticks got nerfed to oblivion, you get too much input bleeding.
I think stick aim is nerfed but analog control is still good imo
Nice and concise; I’ve seen others explain this poorly
They're laaaame
Thanks for this. Old habits are hard to break. I noticed exactly what are talking about the other night in AC when I was using my strafe sticks on my HOTAS and realized we'd been severely limited. I pulled the throttle back to zero and just used the mini sticks and performance doubled for me.
No problem man. Seems like keeping it neutral until you need it is best for now.
Wow ty for this info definitely bin doing this had no idea Mutable input is hurting us now
Glad it helped
Damn, just bought a VKB dual stick setup with foot pedals set to arrive any day.. any point to this anymore if only one input at a time is allowed by the flight system?
It is less an issue on sticks due to analog
Oh! Thanks my man.. thought I just wasted a bunch of hard earned bucks..
LOVE decoupled. I just don't know if I should be using decoupled in atmo. Decoupled in atmo seems to be fight against "drag" and gravity.
In atmo coupled mode is pseudo flying, decoupled is pure falling. You can use that to your advantage, so long as you avoid augering into the planet.
Id fly decouple in atmosphere and also turn off gravity compensatory. I'll make a video about it
I've had all my strafes on a left flight stick for years. Seems like I'm losing efficiency by having an analog input with 360 degrees. I'll have to adjust to this.
No more diagonals, no more twist-strafe up and forward (Omni throttle). I have to rest at the center and then pick a specific direction.
No you don't, just fly deliberately. The only thing you shouldn't doing is trusting forward and strafing at the same time, as your strafe will be very weak.
Tea house is correct. I recommend you check his response.
"Stop holding W" alright, Cruise control it is then!
Fug. Hahahaha.
Fugging good Explains like always! keep up the good Work!
Always! This was a bit longer but I think it helped a bit for people. Some sort of esoteric knowledge here. Most people don't realize the inputs cancel each other out a bit to a degree.
Always appreciate tips like this, keep them coming!
will do man
So are you saying to just glue the W down?
Put a weight on it
Very informative thank you. Im def guilty of that lol
You and me both!
Fine, fine. I'll stop holding W.
Only if you want to
This really seems to favor keyboard binary inputs and decoupled. Thanks for the lesson!
It does! To a degree. Certain maneuvers just cannot be done on MKB that can be done on sticks. Heck I can make a video about that
@BuzzCutPsycho Please do! I'm interested in the tradeoffs.
Honeslty, can we get more vids like this? So much easier to understand with the inputs on the side
Sure. I'll keep them there.
@@BuzzCutPsycho Does this advice apply in atmo or is there a way to do similar while using coupled to better help hitting the ground?
I’m about to do it. I’m about to hold W
Don't you dare
When Freelancer musclememori kicks in...
Exactly. Or any game really. Hell the game teaches you to hold W in coupled
Somebody remind me how to enter Decoupled Mode pls.
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@@BuzzCutPsycho turns out that in my client it was unbound. Knowing that, I set up a proper keybind. Thanks