Mig-21 Fishbed Vs F-4 Phantom Dogfight | Vietnam War | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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Thank you for watching guys, hope you enjoyed the video let me know if you have ideas for future videos. Lots of people asking where the 4k videos are, all videos will eventually be 4k its just delayed youtube processing time, not much I can do about it. See you in the next one guys much love.
Can you do Su-27 versus, 30, 33, 35, 57 and all of them together and comparing the american others?
Mig-19 vs F-4?
It's a NATO designation..lol
8/23/2022 - Today is the first day I've ever heard afterburners described as "juicy."
F15 MTD vs su57 guns only
I really appreciate the disappointment of GS when he is shot down and his joy when he wins. He is really involved in the dogfight.
Yaaaa, I really do love this stuff man.
@@Anarchy_420 wtf is a mig 28
@@ziepex7009 never watched topgun?
@@verscy8726 so its just an f5
@@ziepex7009 yea its an f5 that was recolored and called the mig-28
One of the greatest books written on how to fight in the F-4 vs MIGs 17, 19, and 21 is called "Scream of Eagles". This is a book about creating Top Gun and how Top Gun taught F-4 crews how to wring every last drop of performance out of the Phantom, to confidently engage any MIG and win over the skies of Vietnam. One Golden Rule was to enter a fight with at least 550 knots on the clock in the F-4. The F-4 produces 15x the drag of the F-16 when turning. At 350 knots, extend 2-3 miles, build energy, turn back in and re-enter the fight with 550 knots. Truly a great read. Author is Robert. K. Wilcox. Snap it up GS. Endless air battles and tactics galore. You will love it.
Topgun by Dan Pedersen also provides great insight into the teaching of F-4 pilots, highly recommend it.
I should read those manuals
Does not look like it (drag) in sim.. 🤔
The audacity and the arrogance of writing how to fight any Migs over the sky of Vietnam asif vietnam the U.S backyard. good they got well deserved bloody nose and until now the amount of lost aircraft of the alied still not correctly published. so not sure how many of those Fs gell to the Migs
15x the drag when turning vs the F-16? How is that even possible? Was there an explanation for this?
This era of jets always fascinates me. The capabilities these vehicles had without modern computers assisting with design. It's amazing to me.
The last era that we would see thêm dogfighting each other. Nowadays, you will die before you know it lol 😂
The F-4 was best know to utilize the “death egg” technique. The founder of the top gun school spoke in a podcast about how that was the most efficient way to kill migs. Basically taking every fight into the vertical and making an egg shape flight pattern.
Can you send the link plz, sounds interesting
There are a variety of techniques taught in Top Gun. Once the F4 pilots understood how to fight the MIG, the kill ratio jumped considerably. The F4 pilot here did not fly to the F4's advantage later in the flight, though he did a good job in the first turn, getting altitude for speed, allowing him to turn sharper than the Mig and return that energy back into speed, which he did, but then did not seem to use much else.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Didn't the early F-4's lack guns, which was corrected with a gun pod attached to the wing?
The Podcast was Jocko Podcast 230 w/ Dan Pederson
@@paulnicholson5997 Only on USAF F-4s. The Navy never really felt the need for a gun on air to air missions.
man i love the lock sound on the mig21, just sounds so nice for some reason
Yeah, it’s not that growling sidewinder… it’s a singing seeker
Agreed, it has a haunting ghost feel for some reason.
It sounds like a beep that's trying to whisper
I thought you were done for when you lost sight of him...of all the videos i watch of your dogfights i think that was the longest you lost track of your opponent. Great job. My step dad was a Navy Chief Jet mechanic and he worked on the F4's back in the 60's His squadron was the Jolly Rogers. I remember him telling me a story about the F4 taking off from the deck and the catapult launch didn't work right and the F4 just dropped off the front of the ship out of sight . They all ran up the flight deck to see as they got to the edge the F4 was just about a foot off the water doing everything he could to get air under his wings and blew water all over them as he went vertical. The pilot circled backed and landed . My step dad knew the pilot , well so he ran up to talk to him. He said 'Jim , I have never shit my pants in my life but i nearly did today " LMAO
Gotta love the J79 smoke trail from the F-4, well-modelled by DCS.
Wondering which produce darker smoke F-4 or Mig29
Was just at the Commemorative Air Force Museum at Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ and got to see the F4 Phantom up close, such an imposing aircraft for its time. Great video, as always! Love seeing the missiles back in the dogfighting videos 👍
If you are in AZ, you need to go to the Pima Air & Space Museum to see the SR71
They had one at Space Camp (clearly nothing about me has changed…) and I was struck by how huge the F-4 is. They are massive aircraft compared to MiGs and even the Tomcat.
Yeah, I miss seeing them in action. I got lucky and saw a flying pair in 2019. That’ll likely be the last time I get to see them flying.
@@richardalldredge9129 Been once and will be going again soon next time I’m in Tucson :)
@@mikemontgomery2654 I was fortunate enough to see one do a supersonic fly by while stationed on CVN72, 1997. It was incredible and I feel extremely lucky.
Love your videos GS, your break downs are so good. I never played DCS but you make it look cool
Thank you very much Brian I appreciate you
Brian. It's free to download. You have the Su-25 (full fidelity) and TF-51D for free. You basically need a Track IR to "swivel your head inside and outside the cockput" or VR headset (more expensive but immersion is superb) and a HOTAS. I used an X56 to start as it has a twist grip as rudder pedals but some use a Thrustmaster T-16000 as entry level.
You should definitely give it a go. It's a high learning curve so I suggest you get the FC3 modules (A-10A, MiG-29, Su-27, Su-33 and F-15) but they're non-full fidelity, i.e. you can't click things inside the cockpit.
@@abdulmismail Track IR is not needed. I've used the HOTAS for years. You probably won't dominate in MP but still.
@@arguy3297 For Air to Ground or BVR okay, but Dogfighting without Vr/TrackIR is no fun…
@@Rockethead293 Yeah, I was mistaken. The Su-25 and TF-51 are free with the free download. I know the Su-25T and when I first tried DCS World back in 2015, I was clicking on certain objects and assumed it was full fidelity. Admittedly, I haven't flown that since. Anyway, thanks for the correction.
Love how much you talk us through. As a beginner that's how I learned terminology, and now as an addict it's how I cope with my BFM brainrot.
I think I'm starting to become an addict myself thanks to growling sidewinder.
Thanks!
Thank you very much. Much Appreciated.
YES! I've been begging for an F4 video for ages, now just waiting for GS to fly one! Thanks great video
I love watching these they've taught me how to fly and maneuver thank you sidewinder
Those big black plumes coming from the F-4 tailpipes are a nice touch of realism.
The F4 module is gonna be real nice. Glad my favorite jet is getting the love it deserves
Cant wait for the HB F4E. Will be interesting how it will end up doing vs the Mig-21bis. Most of our perception of the matchup comes from the Vietnam era F4 vs Mig-21F-13 and PF and those are very differnt from the bis. Especially the F-13.
Just love your channel and your work. Don’t have the ability to play DCS but I live it through your videos. Thanks for the awesome content!
My pleasure thank you for watching
Super keen on the F4, an amazing aircraft. Its really a shame most main stream conversations about it are all about the lack of gun. It was very successful internationally and had a very long service life. I love the British version with the huge Spey engines and pulse doppler radar and Skyflash missles.
Whats even more stupid about the f4 gun situation is that it was only a problem because the military doctrine behind its use effectively forced it to always fight in close range engagements where missiles would be useless.
In Vietnam, the North had about 20 Mig 21s, we had probably a couple of 100 F4s. It wasn't worth the risk to even try to fight an F4. A more interesting fight.... F104, F105 or F106 vs Mig 21
IVE BEEN WAITIN FOR THIS ONE love yourvids
Please use your emergency afterburner. It's the inboard switch in front of the throttle. It gives you about 40% more thrust below 4 kilometers altitude
Great content as always. I'm actually very curious about how dogfights or air-to-air combat generally goes at night time. I know that it might not be visually as stunning as day time, but it feels like an interesting topic to discuss. Would love to see a video on that.
The appearance of the F-4 is so iconic.
Again a thrilling video.
Was obsessed with the Phantom in my childhood - this bringing back some exciting vibes!
Growling Sidewinder "There's no way a Mig-21 can win against an F-4 Phantom in a dogfight"
Also Growling Sidewinder - Wins 2 out of 3 in the Mig-21
"It's not the plane. It's the Pilot" - Rooster
Of course the MiG can win against the F-4 - it's called US pilots not knowing how to fly their technologically superior plane correctly ;)
@Kyle
Clearly you have flown planes before that is why do many F4s were gunned down by what you call inferior planes flown by Soviet elite pilots.
History is written by whatever side you are on, and it seems you fallen for it.
You know, for having a coal-fired power plant, the F-4 is pretty badass.
The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.
I grew up in the flight path of an airforce base in the late 70s to early 80s and, that big, smokey, loud assed, over pwered Phantom won a place in my heart. It just looks tough!
Nice. A bit of Vietnam era dog fighting.
only if you have some Final Countdown like time travel scenario ... both of these planes are variants and use equipment from eighties ...
Always wondered how it got the name Fishbed, and WTF is a fishbed in the first place?
NATO gives weird nicknames lol
A bed for fishes??
Fishbed ( and Farmer, Fulcrum, Flanker etc) are all NATO names for soviet fighter aircraft (thats why they all start with F)
not sure what it actually means though
It kinda looks like a fish but i dont know where the "bed" comes from. Its also called "balalaika" too.
Atleast it's not the MiG-15
I love the Phantom! I'd love to see the wealth of historical F4 missions. Please more Phantom content. Love your vids man, seriously. Your commentary is absolutely hilarious at times.
im loving this vietnam era match up, Thanks for the great video
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting.
Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.
Brother. You are dedicated huh
8:25 The inscription in Russian: "Protect parts from textile materials from damage and pollution. Keep your chair covered" (с)
Russian: "Оберегай детали из текстильных материалов от повреждения и загрязнения. Храни кресло под чехлом" (с)
LOL =)
The wine of the missile lock tone on the mig sounds like one of those Halloween decorations that make that spooky noise
It would be very interesting to see what would happen if we could get a former Vietnam Phantom pilot to dogfight a former Vietnam MiG-21 pilot in DCS. Definitely going to pick up the Phantom when it comes out, it'll go great with the -21, -19 and -17, when the -17 comes out.
Such a great video. I did really try to stay objective, but the Phantom II is just such a beautiful, iconic plane. Great video!!!
There are so many awesome Moduls coming, the F4 is a must (used to be the near Spangdahlem Air Base). Just like the Eurofighter, F15, Corsair and all the new Maps... Enough to learn for a live time 😁 considering all the awesome stuff already there.
I'm old enough to remember the local ANG's F4's flying overhead.
I miss them dearly, despite them being extremely loud.
Phantoms Phorever
My older brother was pilot in Iranian airforce and he got two MIG 21 with F4 E. Thanks for garet video
Yo GS, thanks for the content. Great seeing heavy metal battle in the sky. Have a pleasant day. Cheers.
God, can’t wait for the F-4E. Heatblur does such a great job on their modules and I think for me I’ll enjoy the F-4E more than the F-14. Any chance we’ll see it in Q4 2022/Q1 2023 or is that overly hopeful?
Heatblur have stated that they are still on track for a 2022 release. I still bet it will be a Q4 release
Anything up to 23:59 31 December 2022 is still a 2022 release - have faith, Heatblur will produce the goods when it's good to go.
Nice, so stoked for this beaut
Great video and two great pilots. You definitely deserved that win. However it saddens me to see the F-4 lose, it's one of my all time favorites lol
i love the cute noise the mig 21’s fox 2 makes, the sidewinder gives and angry growl but this little guy goes ooooooooooooooooooo
In part due to the inconsistencies in tracking at the time and the humidity of the Yao it was actually common for f4e Phantom Pilots to Ripple fire their Fox twos
This was such a fun fight. Thanks again GS!
I am so stoked for the F-4E by Heatblur, I will be pre-ordering it as soon as I see it's available!
3:05 the entire Vietnam nation is like "IN YOUR FACE!"
1:38
GS: We might be able to get a FOX-2 shot here...
MIG-21: 👽👽
This was awesome, can't wait to see YOU in the F4.
Amazing vids, man!
Amazing video, however I always wonder what versions of the aircraft are doing the fighting. I think adding that information may help the viewer better understand the capabilities of both aircraft.
In this case its a MiG-21bis and F-4B/C (in most vids its the only variant in DCS but if theres more then one variant he usually specifies)
For sure planning on picking up the Double Ugly when it comes out, and looking forward to it :)
I am excited about the F-4 module. Looking forward to it.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Mig-21 in videos clean up so well as this one here
I like the after kill "pa pa pa paaaaaaaa" song, showing the flight from outside
I'm really surprised at a lack of use of high and low Yo-Yo's in these older jets. Modern jets it's less applicable, but with the older ones, especially if I was driving the F-4, I'd be using a nose up spiral (the MiG-21 can't match either continued rate of turn while bleeding speed, nor rate of climb) - and the occasional hi-Yoyo. Going into a flat circle .... that's playing into the MiG-21's strengths.
I think a lot of folks used to "flying" the newer jets don't practice the YoYo maneuvers enough - but it's so dang useful.
I saw a Croatian MIG 21 returning from a combat mission back in the mid-nineties. It did some victory rolls over the military base. Before it landed at Split airport.
Boy, that MiG-21 Fox 2 tone is...operatic! The plane is singing to you, as it seems.
GS, you seem to be a very proficient dog fighter, well done, I also like your lack of "I must win every time" attitude.
Thank you very much and ya I have no desire to come here and show myself winning all the time, there is lots to learn in defeat as well.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Like Raptors are sneaky.
Can't wait to see how the F-4 ACTUALLY does once we get it in DCS. I'm sure you'll make another video then.
Being an Aussie, I wonder if the DCS Devs will create an F-111 package? We flew those things well into the 2000's & would be well wicked to see them in your SEAD vids :D
Only if they include TFR
Before i even watch the video, i just thought it was cool to see an upload of this, because i just watched the older f4 v mig 21 fight u did, last night.
Hell yes man! Really excited to see the Heatblur F4 on this channel!
Oh the snake plane won ;D Was not expecting that, but it was clearly your skills and experience in DCS.
Big fan of the F4 , so more videos of that era jets is always welcome.
I flew F-4's , I would have never even tried to turn with the Mig in the initial head to head pass. Just go vertical and start from there. I also noticed that on the initial pass the F-4 is easy to spot because of the smoke trail. We used to enter the fight with the one engine at idle and the other in burner, there's no smoke that way. The later versions were smokeless and didn't have to worry about it.
Thanks for the tips, I"ll keep them in mind when we get the F4 module, these ones are just free mods and aren't fully accurate in terms of capability. Which model F-4s were you used the engine trick with if you don't mind me asking? B and C model ? and which model fixed the engine smoke issue ?
@@GrowlingSidewinder I was in the Marines so I flew the B version that was a smoker. I also flew the J and S versions that were smokeless. The Air Force had the C and E versions, not sure about the C but the E was smokeless. If you have a choose in which one to fly I'd take the E, it has a gun and maneuvering slats.
@@jeepman1467 very cool, appreciate you sharing some of your knowledge. We are expecting to get a real accurate F-4 module very soon here in DCS would love to read more of your tips on those videos once I can start making videos with it.
Hoping to see more F4 vidoes in the near future. Maybe with you in the pilot's seat?
Finally a F4 Phantom video, well done!
The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II...making smoking sexy way before the MiG-29!
I'm extremely excited for the Phantom. it's a beautiful aircraft.
Would be awesome to see the Mirage F1 up against the F4 as well. Great stuff as usual.
Awesome as usual love the Mig-21 content, keep it coming!
I remember those f4's flying around carswell afb in ft worth. LOUD. Of course it takes a lot of thrust to make a brick fly.
Still needing a Bomber Intercept/Bomber Escort mission over here, it'd mix things up a bit when it comes to the type of content put out.
I like when you do the tacview. Helps people trying to learn how to play like me lol
Ive been waiting for this brooooo🔥💯
Just a thought but it sounded like you were throttling back at 6:55 which seems crazy given your energy state, did you notice that when you played it back? Anyway these are educational for people coming to simulators and excellent to watch and I very much enjoy them. Also Mig 21 Vs the F4 was something I have dreamed about seeing for decades :)
Hi love your videos
I'd love to see more MiG21 fights. Maybe some "BVR" fights, as well as you can do them with less modern radars
Really enjoyed that.. Great follow up would be F4 against Mig17 like in Vietnam where they had no gun. Would be cool to recreate that engagement Cunningham/Tomb..
Very excited for the F4. Phantoms Phorever.
Nice maneuver on that last kill
something you don't hear much any more in modern air to air battles. . " oh he just out turned that missile " lol
Jeez, the Mig21 has the spookiest lock on tone lol
Definitely will be getting the F-4 my dad worked on them and when he was in the Navy
Yes! Never wanted to see you get smoked more. Go Phantom!!!
I love these two planes! Battlefield Vietnam is where I discovered them
IIRC the nickname of the F4 Phantom on afterburner was the "Clear Air Convertor" 😆
Beautiful fight and badass camo for the MiG-21!!!
You should do a MiG21 vs Mirage III recreating the six day and 1973 Yom Kippur wars. I don’t know how accurate the VSN Mirage’s flight model is and it would be fun to see those two aircraft head on!
Great rivalry! Thanks for share!!
If anybody hasn’t read Fighter Pilot by Robin Olds you have to!! And this video made me think of that book. Out of all the aviation books I’ve read it was the first and it’s still by far the best
YES! Of course very excited for Healblur's F4 module as I have all the rest I need for Vietnam combat except for the Mig 19 currently. See you in the skies!
Hey mate, have you done a Viggens vs Mig25 Foxbat video at all? Be cool to hypothesize what may have happened if the Mig25 had engaged in the 1987 incident in the baltic sea after an engine malfunction in an SR71 Blackbird forced it down from 80k Feet to 40 in 1 minute and couldn't go faster than about 400 knots.
Biggest blind spot on the MiG-21 is behind and below the aircraft. An Israeli test pilot who flew the MiG said that if you see the plane "wiggling", it means you're in his blind spot and he's trying to locate you visually.
Perfect for a russian song called фантом about the very fight being shown
I wonder if there’s any Romanian MiG 21 Lancer mod, or Indian Mig 21 Bison mod for DCS already out, it’d be interesting to see older 3rd and 4th gen aircraft with modernized avionics and weapons systems, do against your mainstream 4th+ gen aircraft flown in DCS
Good vid. I’ll be getting the Phantom. Cold wars where it’s at.
7:44 afterburners were on, so fox 2 was able to track pretty good. just speculation since i heard back in qoura that fox 2s can track easy if you have burners on