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Just messing around a little in this one having some fun, and just to clarify when we say the I-16 was nicknamed the donkey, it wasn't in an "incompetent" way it was intended in more of an enduring term like a "burro", but ya just a little plane had a lot of fun with it. Hope you guys enjoyed the video see you in the next one.
My friends and I flew this Ishak to 4000m, but we were 10 deep in a tight formation, the 109's kept diving on us thinking we would be easy, but we took 4 of them out with no losses (our gun convergence was at 500-600m). I-16 ftw. We were contrailing to draw the 109's in.
F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR!👍
Right after the first round I thought "Right man bring the spitfire out you'll do nothing with those jets" and yep he did! Sad for the poor spit though :(
i just like to imagine with that open cockpit theres just like an fim 92 velcroed to the back you get on there...where ever get tone and fire from the open cockpit and confuse the sh*t out of them lol
Okay. Let's just admit it. In a gunfight, Growling Sidewinder, in a Wright Flyer, armed with a Smith & Wesson .38 Special, would take down most people in an F-22.
.38 special? You are giving him too many advantages to outgun them, throwing stones by hand it should be.
Sh_T ! Ya Think ? I'd buy that Simulation ?! LololoL😎
@@Gargoloso 😂🤣🤣😂
That Smith & Wesson Model 19 with 38 special is good against jet pilot at head...make good shot like Jigen Daisuke from Lupin the thrid
Sure, as long as he's fighting against the pilot he handpicked for this video and as long as we understand that most people wouldn't know what buttons to press in an F-22.
The perfect 6th gen fighter
>Can't be targeted by radar because canvas and wood
>Can't be targeted by heatseekers because lawnmower engine
>Extremely lethal in a gunfight
Wonder weapon
only 1 thing could match a i16 and that's another i16...
imagine somehow they managed to put some fox2 on this thing 💀
@@Piglady00 it should be possible, from a technical standpoint
@@v3es473 is there no i16 type 28 in DCS?
@@tacticsandreview7440 no I-16 ever carried any AAMs
6:40
"Although this looks pretty good, let's focus those rounds right into his engine."
*Moves out of the gun sight for more accurate shots*
loooooool ya thats funny, I didn't even notice I was going that for more accuracy felt like 2nd nature to lean over like those old world war 1 birds.
that was so badass.
Gotta say, you having to lean out the side of the cockpit to accurately gauge your lead made me straight up belly laugh. That was awesome.
Ahaha ya the big dumb nose on this thing was blocking my view
To be fair that is the standard technique in these old fighters once you are in tight and need to pull lead with enemy aircraft below your nose, mainly to ensure you stay in plane with their flightpath
🤣🤣🤣
Ace Ventura vibes
@@bikeguy3034 I'm wondering why they never had side-mounted/offset sights then. The reticle in the center of the aircraft is so... clunky. Especially with huge nosed aircraft.
The roar of the J11....followed by the curious lawn mower engine of the I-16...😆
lawn mower? that thing is a 30 liter 500 HP monster
@@esesel7831 Don't know how much this is worth, but after flying the twit in IL-2 1946, those engines, while remarkable in a certain way, are still shit. They work well on the I-16 because its so light, but strap that engine onto something heavier, it performs poorly, if my understanding of aero engineering is not fatally flawed.
@@esesel7831 Yes, yes, you will need that, my comrade. Because in Soviet Union, the lawn mows you.
@@esesel7831 yes mine says 3,5hp I guess they opted to not use any zeros, so it’s actually 30L,500hp
@@esesel7831 Grass is very high in Russia.
"Is he trying to grab me with his hook?" Unconventional fights call for unconventional tactics. XD
A10 : Very durable
Also A10: Gets destroyed by 10 AK47 caliber sized bullets.
Well anything to the engines will destroy the a 10. Shoot aaa to the bottom of the a10 or the wings it won’t fall out of the sky. That’s why the a 10s have engines on top
The tracers you see are usually just a fifth of the rounds cutting through the same box of air... So make that 50-60 7.62mm bullets shredding through the engines. Also the A-10: wing root takes a hailstorm of 7.62mm and shrugs it of...
It's 7.62x54r, thats a much more powerful round than the 7.62x39 which the AK uses.
Those ShKAS machine guns fire at 1800 rpm, and he's got four of them
@@nastyaromanova5902 Excuse me but isn't AK 5.56?
What? No revolver you take out and shoot out of the cockpit? Maybe OPFOR's strategy to win was to make GS laugh so hard he would not pay attention and crash?
Perhaps to make him say that he's alright and he's gonna win
I like when he said yeah we're done climbing, we've had enough of that. 😂😂
@@amazingstealth8235 It's the only guaranteed way to beat him.
Wasn't comfortable with that A-10 until it actually hit the ground and exploded into flames... and even then it STILL looked pissed!
"The I-16 takes no prisoners!" LOL! This was great fun!
The I-16 was legendary for having a small body and less weight then its counterparts, witch enabled it to out turn most of its competition
The design was inspired very much by the GeeBee and has the characteristics of it. A very favorable power-weight ratio which made the Mosca a nasty airplane to dogfight with. It was too slow however-and could be beaten readily with boom and zoom tactics which no one is using much of here against GS.
6:38 The most satisfying gun clip I have seen in a very long time
Along with his 'moments of death' montages he should string together some of the juiciest gun cam slo mo's.
absolutely, along with the F22 gunning down the spine of the F18
At least when you die in the I-16 all you can hear is the sound of engines and air whooshing in around you. Big advantage over dying in anything else.
Ah, the peace of not being screamed at by RWS lol
It seems you don't die in it. Just the other guy does.😇
@@TheRealAaronSmith Mirage 2000C fax machine noises are A1
I swear this guy could win a fight against a Raptor in a Cessna 152.
Two acrobats stay on the wings with machineguns and can shoot omnidirectionally.
Probably yes if the f14 pilot from the "MirageF1 destroys F14 with EZ" video😂😂😂
He could kill a Raptor in an unarmed glider. Jeez
He could kill a raptor in the wright flyer
Dude will pull up in a Paper plane just to kill a Raptor
🤣🤣🤣🤣 this red I16 is like a toy plane out of the children's cartoons and it just chews through anything aviation industry has to through at him... it's hilarious and stupefying at the same time... Nice work GS...
To be fair, the rules of engagement eliminate many of the advantages enjoyed by modern combat jets.
Basically, the opposition pilots bring missile-fighters, without missiles, to a shootout.
It definitely makes for a fun video, though. 😀
@@thomashiggins9320 thy should not start their turn untill they let i16 500m behind and should go vertical. Also they should not allow their speed to be lower than 500km/h having i15 closer than 1km and they would be fine. To hit it would be hard, but at least they would not be hitted themselthes.
Although the I-16 initially only has four 7.62mm machine guns, the machine guns it has are the Shkas, which have a very fast rate of fire (up to 3000 rpm in some cases) thanks to a revolver mechanism to load bullets into the chamber (similar to modern day revolver cannons used on modern fighter jets like the Typhoon's BK27 and the F-5's M39) so they can actually pack a punch by not having a lot of stopping power but by shear volume of fire. I think the Shkas are the best 7.62mm aircraft machine guns used during world war 2.
If I'm not mistaken, later on they started to install 20mm ShVAC auto-cannons on I-16. Still I have no idea, how our great-grandfathers managed to hold their own, piloting these cute little sewing machines against such fearsome engineering masterpiece as Messerschmitt Bf.109.
@@vasjaforutube1 That is true, and Berezin UB 12.7mm machine guns were mounted as well.
@@hunterhess8433 23mm yva (I think Yva or Vya) that was mounted on the Il-2
@@vasjaforutube1 They mounted Shvaks on the I-16 around the battle of stalingrad
@@LilNuss No, the first I-16 with ShVAKs first flew in 1936, went into small-batch production in 1937 and field tested in Spain in 1937-1938.
Your semi-serious yet calm candor presenting and commenting on an absolutely ridiculous situation is humor perfected.
As an IL2 player, I am never happy to fight an I-16.
As opposing plane, I would choose either one of the better climbing 109's which should allow to always maintain a safe distance, but the tight turning of the I-16 makes eliminating it tedious as it will be hard to score anything other than high deflection (snap) shots.
An other effective opponent is the Hawker Hurricane as it can match and even slightly exceed the I-16's turning rate.
On IL2 try the CR42 against it...
Just stay lo and slow. Say below 300 ft. You'll be able to splash a F86..
@@maurotassinarizugnitauro2990 Brewster Buffalo should be a good choice if you need to opt for turning fight against I-16.
I'll agree 100%. I 16 is pain in the a$$. Even spitfire will fall down if is flown incorrectly against I16. All those planes have lost for the same reason. They where turning with I 16. It's like death wish. Spit would be relatively safe with hit &run or careful boom & zoom. But never turn with I16.
A6m
Gameover.
Struggling with jets in a dogfight at low level is one thing, but allowing an I-16 to take a Spit out indicates a pilot out of his depth against an opponent. Good fun tho.
Just too shocked to see the I
Well now we have to see the new thrust vectored F-22 vs I-16. The I-16 can't keep getting away with this!
Great vid, as always
I feel like the other pilot is just like “If you have the balls to come at me in that thing I have no choice but to let you have the kill”
Also, next video: Cessna 152 Fights Everything
cessna 152 with the pilot leaning out the window and shooting a bb gun
Ah yes, the mighty Cessna 152 armed with men duct taped to the wings holding pistols. The pride and joy of the Royal Canadian Air Force.
@@magnanimus9692 omnidirectional gun poggers. If it's, like, auto, it would look nice.
Even better a Cessna 150
@@erics8192 Sawed off shotgun, the tourists in the back reload it for the pilot
Literally one of the most underrated modules in DCS. Once you learn to manage being so slow, it's low key a monster fighter.
Everyone should learn to fly slow, preferably in underpowered planes with little firepower. U must master the most important aspects of aerial combat to survive
Growling Sidewinder, can we get the F22 vs the Mig 31? I'd love to see how its stealth capabilities do against it, and to see it crush the Mig 31 after a merge. Maybe you could give the F22 only Fox-2s so that it has to merge to win.
MiG-31 can symply climb away and rengage with better position.
@@Dan-zz8mz bro you can't outrun a fox 2 after a merge, and there's no outrunning the F-22 in time down low
@@Dan-zz8mz even without fox 2 who told you mig 31 outclimbs f22?
@@Dan-zz8mz how do you reengage what you can't see
Mig31 isn't running away from an F22, don't be absurd. The f22s true capabilites are still classified but I can garuntee you the mig31 cannot run away from a f22
lol, that was unbelievably entertaining!
I-16 was, I believe, the first Soviet monoplane and had retractable gear (maybe even the first plane to have it, dunno) and fully enclose cockpit... That was cutting edge technology at the time it was designed.
Firstly fought in Spanish civil war where it dominated until Me-109s started coming. They were much faster, though I-16 was capable of outturning them...
The I-16 was the first Soviet low wing cantilever (just means no supports like biplanes or the P-26 Peashooter) that also had retracting gear. The first plane to have fully retractable gear (some planes could have it, but the wheels still stuck out, like the YB-9.) The first to have complete retraction would be the Grumman FF, which was also the first carrier based craft with retractable gear. Even further, the real "first" plane to have any kind of retractable gear, would be the Curtiss Model E.
While having a canopy is nice and all, most pilots ended up hating it, preferring to leave it open, which had issues, or just taking it off. Later versions of the plane completely got rid of them for those reasons. The canopy had the tendency to foul from oil, had problems with suddenly closing during hard maneuvering, and in general reduced the already poor visibility. Pilots also complained about ho hard it was to actually get inside the thing. There were also problems in its combat introduction, with wings tending to rip off, and overheating everything because of the hot Spanish weather, and with the limited armament of 2 ShKAS guns.
Almost all issues were fixed with more variants, but final changes made the plane somewhat worse in performance than before. It was extremely maneuverable, and vastly outperformed is initial enemies, being mostly He-51 and Ar-68 biplanes. At the time of introduction, it was the fastest and lightest fighter in existence, and it had an extremely easy flat spin recovery, to the point that all you had to do was dip the wing and throttle up. It had a ridiculous 1.5 second roll rate, and a very short ~15 second 360 turn rate. Anything else I could say you can look up online, or watch the video dedicated to it on the channel "Rex's Hangar"
@@Real_Claudy_Focan no difference, Messerschmitt was constuctor, Bf was production company
@@IonPerseus The designation wasn't changed after the transformation into the Messerschmitt AG, so it was and still is the Bf 109, not Me 109
It also dominated the early bf-109 variants because they were slower and had way worse armamament, but bf-109e could kill it reliably
I can imagine I-16 pilot being an elderly WWII veteran, taking a chug of potato moonshine each crossing, wearing an ushanka hat, with ear flaps flopping in the wind
I hope you realize now that we're going to need more videos of you in the I-16 taking on everything else. lol
Yes, it was me who asked, thank you
Good request
@@magnanimus9692 now i want i-16 vs F22 and Su-57 1v2
You were not the only one.
@@rederos8079 im sure of that
Ishak is one of the most underrated warbirds around! :D
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting.
Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.
Good luck man you've been commenting this for a while
Keep going buddy!
Absolutely!!
The I-16 was my favorite in "Il-2: 1946". But the best version was the Type 24 with 2x 20mm ShVAK cannons.
I also remember having engine cut out if I was diving down too sudden....right?
@@hariszark7396 yup. Old carburator engine would flood with negative G 😂
In Russia we both laugh at the I16 for how silly it was, and respect the plane and pilots who flew them against the 109s.
Here it's affectionately called "Išačëk". Little Donkey.
@@dimitri1154 yeah I know.
Here in Greece our pilots had to fly the PZLs and other low power aircrafts against the overpowered Italian and later German forces.
I have great respect for them and their courage to defend our country against the odds.
My father was a German soldier and he said the I-16, or "Rata" as they called it, had a very distinctive machine gun firing sound.
Strap two R-73's to the I-16 and you have a plane that forces dogfights, because extending away is death.
I honestly love these videos where you use a very outdated prop plane to dogfight 4th gen jets, keep em coming! I'd love to see the Bf109 next
Bro the last thing that A10 knew was pain numbed by pure concentrated HATRED
“make it seem like his tactic doesn’t work and hope that he tries something different”. Thought this was a hilarious hope: then it worked!! Love how well you can make your strategies come to fruition :)
Hats down to the pilot. Nice situational awareness and placing of shots
Yep, especially those shoulder shoot's 😁
Another fun one I used to play was its predecessor the I-15 in IL-2 Sturmovik which was a biplane.
A bit slower but VERY maneuverable.
One cant't help but love when the underdog comes out on top of everyone else ... great video :)
I wouldn't really call this the underdog in the scenario. If you had them starting 20 miles apart and the enemy had Fox 3's? Then sure, it would be an underdog. But in these parameters, the I-16 has most of the advantages really.
I don't suppose the Gloster Gladiator is in DCS? The last RAF biplane fighter with pretty much the same armament as the I-16. That would be a matchup, with Gladys having the fighter turn circle and the mule having the speed.
no it is not
It's not... but I'm pretty sure it'd be possible for a modder to make one with the I-16 or Christian Eagle as a baseline, or even the P-51 if they need a "free" plane.
С приведённым типом боя самым эффективным будет самые медленный и манёвренный. Гладиатор будет рвать И-16 так же, как И-16 тут всех рвал. Вот только если перестать с ним виражить и заняться работой - И-16 останеться только уворачиваться и считать, на каком заходе он всё же словит снаряд. Ему хватит всего одного.
Dude despite its cuteness the I-16 is such a horrifyingly savage little bird that takes no prisoner! 🤣
I'd love to see some carrier-based WW2 fighters in versus, especially the more unusual match-ups, like a Dauntless versus a Japanese dive bomber, or even two torpedo bombers against each other. Some really scrappy but entertaining fights.
This PROVES beyond mere doubt, two things, one: -
1) That "Stalinium" is definitely a "thing".
2)That an old Dog can not only learn new tricks, he can hand out a few lessons to the "cheeky young pup's", as, and when needed!!
The i16 is one op prop fighter, When it's enemies don't know what to do against it.
From other hand I16 is allmost defenceless against pilot who knows what to with it and exploit I16 weaknesses. I16 can turn on dime but it's slow. Just utilize speed & climb properly and I 16 is on passive side.
The amount of people that don't extend against an I-16 is astounding
I've read that the I-16 wasn't the expected pushover, against the German fighters.
No speed demon but, apparently, quite 'buoyant'.
Would those matchups be worth looking at?
It also has a surprisingly high power to weight ratio for a fighter of its time.
This I-16 vs jets, is one of most satisfying videos i've seen lately. Smiled through every minute of it :), really appreciate for making it
This was fun… as Maverick says it’s not the plane it’s the pilot!
05:13: The jet is actually "surrendering" with wheels down! 😆
More WWI and WWII stuff please. I've missed those very much and I love you GS please be a benevolent god and bless us with more of this content ty
When the Spitfire disappeared my assumption was that the player just rage quit.
the immediate dread in your voice when you went "that looks like a chinese flanker... and we just went one-circle with em" lmao
The mystery of "where he go" still doesn't let me sleep. XD
The tailhook gambit was gold. If you had gone another round I was expecting "Fuck it, Mi-24!"
13:51 Those ricochets were just crazy! What a great game...
“I-16 takes no prisoners.” 🤣
I love the i16 man. In my po dunk nobody cares youtube channel i am running a series on this plane and how well it in close dogfights. Thank you GS for getting this plane some recognition!
I-16 had the cannons before WW-2. Hopefully they will be added soon.
"Well I can't get him with guns, switching to tail hook!" Bro imagine if his hook actually hit you in the face! XD. Now I need to see this thing against the F22! Much love mate, love your videos!
"Now I'm a flyin, talkin Donkey! You might seen a housefly, maybe even a superfly. But I bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly!"
Your opponents didn't appear to be playing to their strengths and your weaknesses as well as they needed to. You were superb of course. ;)
Ivan The Red came out for a fight, that was awesome! I like going up against the 109 K4 in my I-16 It's so satisfying getting kills on what should be a far more superior airframe. Cheers mate.
The I-16 is such a fantastic lil plane. Always loved flying it in sims.
The guy in the spit cracked me up. Must have thought he could out turn u in it not realizing theres a large speed differential between a spit and I-16. U still want to boom and zoom it
I love how your wing started to stall.
The Red Paper Cutter is your new alias,
How you will resist and bite no matter what enemy comes your way
In all seriousness, you have GOT to make more videos like this I loved this, it was so hilarious
I just love, the Donkey killed every pilot and no ejections... Ace in a day too.. Take No Prisoners... Take No S**t
The T-34 of aircraft. Always a surprise to its opponents.
Speed of Sound vs. Speed of Now. Modern combat aircraft require computers and hydraulic systems to fly. Several have many sensors tied into the computer in order to maintain anything resembling aerodynamic stability. Break the computer or those sensors, or hydraulic lines, and it's all over. The Brewster F2A Buffalo and Grumman F4F Wildcat are in a class similar to the I-16, and all 3 together would probably compliment each other rather well.
Never underestimate the ability of a ShKAS to saw parts of an aircraft off ;)
We need a part 2 to this. More iL-16!
Man, every time I watch your videos an hear that classic Battlefield 2 music, it gets me right in the nostalgias.
I-16 in DCS guns-only dogfights: "I'm the king! No one can beat me!"
I-16 in the real world today: Buzzing around, minding its own business.
Sudden AMRAAM.
Sweet oblivion.
Some models of the I-16 had ShVak 20mm cannons. You could probably surprise him with those.
That first fight, pretty sure you actually did kill the pilot. If you look again.. He stopped maneuvering after you shot the cockpit area. Also... WTF were his gear down the whole fight?
Nah I think he pulled the gear down as a last ditch attempt to cut speed with the cobra.
@@__-fm5qv if you look closely he had it down in the beginning
Cool fun scene, I love the red paintscheme of the 'Rata'. :)
With the distant replay view it just looks like a cardinal chasing an eagle or falcon.
The "Bloody Red Baron (Donkey)" racking up kills...lol. Great video.
Spitfire pilot at the end is just sitting there thinking about his life! 😂
The “Donkey” rides again. The 20mm are great, but the I-16 carries very few rounds of 20mm.
The version in DCS is one of the earlier models, lacking the wing 20mms. This one is either the 2 or 4 ShKAS machine guns.
The L-39 and F-86 are the best dogfighters in the Cold War server, it would be cool to see them in some asymmetrical fights, really enjoyed the video though.
Put both Top Gun movies together, and it still doesn´t get as exciting as this!
This is how everybody's grandpa went to school...
In the slow mo that F18 did nearly grab you with the hook 🤣
Cool ! 😎 Reminds me of when I had IL-2 Sturmovik ( Regular, Pacific Fighters & 1946 ) Doing All the Planes. I gotta get it Again !
That was a perfect demonstration that it is not the dog in the fight,but the fight in the dog that matters.
Very funny how he kept shooting the gun lol
No can turn with these things. Boom and zoom. Patience. Patience. Patience. Especially with the Sidewinder…..lol.
I think only F-22-jitsu can overcome the I-16 in a dogfight:
1) Go straight up.
2) Become falling leaf.
3) 20mm death from above.
Pft, F/A-18, F-16, Spitfire, A-10 just need to go higher, they turned to much.
This video has got me thinking that some Bandit Unknown: WW2 Edition could be a lot of fun. I'm always interested to see how the different WW2 aircraft stack up against each other.
saw an I16 live in New Zealand at Warbirds over Wanaka. such a cool display.
That must have been a big wtf moment especially for the J-11.... 😂
Hundreds of millions of dollars of hardware just sent to the scrap yard ! LOLLL ! Beautiful !!!!
It would be really neat to see some footage from the enemy cockpit, like from their own gameplay
great gameplan and beautiful gunnery against the A-10 👍
LOL, it's basically a trainer with some AR's strapped to side. Love it.
It would have gotten more than a little toasty flying through his jet wash like that
Rounds delivered to 4 aircraft : ENOUGH! Rounds taken : NONE!
Too funny!
Go Go Donkey!!!
The chugging of the engine when in slow motion is holarious
Imagine invading a country with F18 hornets and you see this little red blure and you get dropped out of the sky 🤣🤣🤣
Another awesome vid! Thank you Growling!