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- It's over 9000. ElmorLabs KTH-USB: elmorlabs.com/... Validation: valid.x86.fr/t...
Thank you to Asus and Intel for supporting the record attempt!
Intel Core i9-13900K
Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Apex
G.Skill Trident Z5 2x16GB
ElmorLabs KTH-USB Thermometer
ElmorLabs Volcano CPU container
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Astonishing to see what people do to be able to run Microsoft Teams 😉
LOL
Yes microsoft teams is one of the slowest apps ive used on any computer no matter what spec.
Wtf? Microsoft Teams is amazing!!!
@@ryanjofredid you used it 3 year ago? Yeah it was... Just till an update tonked its speed
@@furdiburd My apologies, I was being facetious!
Microsoft has a long track record of ruining perfectly good software with “updates”!
9GHz cooling in 2023: liquid nitrogen
9GHz cooling in 2029: fan
9GHz cooling in 2039: passive🤣
In fact it was liquid helium 🤓
The fan cooling is also as good as nitrogen if the components are good.
@@beamng.xperiments2898 MY BODY IS READY
Gonna comeback here again after ten years
At last, a CPU that can run 4k starfield at 120fps stable
after loading the game and probably at 1% max power limit , and when you unlock the power it will be most certain a second and crashes XD
in akila and new atlantis benchmark
I have 90-over 100 fps in new atlantis with my i 7 7700k and 4070 Ti with the DLSS Mod+Frame Generation. 😂
@@PersonausdemAll frame gen doesnt count, it lifts cpu bottleneck.
@@Captaine_Crunche When the Bottle neck is not a problem anymore, then it counts!
A decade later this video will age like milk like a decade *and half* ago when 5GHZ was a record.
ну ну, FX двенадцатилетний 8500-8800 гонится
@@oqWoWpo этот мамонт никому не нужен
not really, we're really hitting the limit nowadays
Too bad Moore's Law is not really a thing anymore
"IF" Quantum computing becomes a norm for the next decade, a big IF.
Finally a CPU that can support the optimization mess of modern games!
you still need at least 64 GB of RAM, 32 GB V-RAM and an SSD with at least 10 TB. Oh and you better have a direct connection to the Update servers when you have to download the 200GB sized patches.
Ever think that the mess it has become is there to create the economy of desire for the best and latest gear?
@@Helicopterpilot16 Could be a reason but it's more likely that technologies like Nanite, Lumen, DLSS / Upscaling just makes the developers forget about optimization and throw in some upscaling
Dude. City skylines 2 brings a 4090 and the fastest ryzen 7 to its knees. A fkn low polygon game 😂😂😂
@@KRAFTWERK2K6lol a direct connection. I have 10000000000ft Ethernet running underground to EA
Physics can get really interesting at cold temperatures. Near absolute zero, -273C, silicone acts as a superconductor.
So infinite clock speed?
@@dord4453 nope
@@DebuMazumdernot with that attitude
silicone have less resistance when it gets hot, which distinguishes it from a conventional conductor
Yo superconducting implants? Let’s goooo!
10 years for this moment, i am proud of you guys
🤣😂🤣
I was saw that the CPU-Z world record are 9008MHZ and i know that if someone made this record, they made a video of this.
same. i had to see it, was definitely impressed. this setup might be a bit better than my wraith stealth that was included with the cpu :)
Did you know that their video didn't even fully boot into Windows?!?
@@steventaylor8723 It posted, it was at least "stable" enough to accomplish that, and that's more than anyone else before them, *That we know of anyway* They deserve the accolade of being first, even if it only posted and didn't fully boot into Windows. Nothing about what can be seen on video diminishes or takes away from their success here, not for any educated observer that is, pedants will nitpic as you have and that's just par for the course. Great men do, weak men complain.
@@NOX-ID47I can't really see the achievement. They didn't design the CPU, they only cooled it and input some numbers? Did they do anything custom with the socket or VRM? Anything with the electronics?
Intel engineers probably play with R&D chips and those clock speeds during lunch time.
It's finally time - IT'S OVER 9000 MEGAHERTZ!!!!!!!!
Gigahertz*
@@trixion74 ... no
@@trixion74 9GHz == 9000MHz
@@tonig2757only one symbol is needed. == means inverse. IIRC
@@tonig2757 oh, now i get it, this person for whatever reason didnt write 9 Ghz and instead wrote it in megehertz
Around 20 years ago intel pentium can be overclocked up to 5ghz and it is mindblowing. Now intel can be OCed uP to 9ghz. Still mindblowing.
X3D from AMD is king 👑
Mindblowing like Ronnie Mcnutt
🤓@@waterbucket4358
@@waterbucket4358 Please change and grow as a person
@@gtamike_TSGKking of the toilet
IT'S OVER 9000!!!
The man is here
Let this sink in for a moment:
9. FUCKING. GIGAHERTZ!
My pentium 3 is still faster
@@pumpshotty9875the real chads overclock their pentium 4 to 5ghz
so you are telling me..
it's..
OVER 9000 Mhz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(me, 10 years from now): 9GHz, pfft, pathetic.
They didn't even successfully boot into Windows..........
Pure expertise and badassery going on here. Congrats to the team!!
ARM APU's are the future, our planet cannot handle the insane waste of power that x86 and discrete GPU's are...
50 years from now, we'll be (or our grandsons/daughters would be) looking at this video again and say.
"Look at the effort they make just to mimic a fraction of our cpu power."
50 years is far to much. 50 years ago personal computers were not even a thing. We might start to feel that "Look at these fools" feeling in the course of the current decade
Какие 50 лет... Уже через 15-20 лет забудут про техпроцесс в 1 нм, а базовая частота у Celeron будет ~5 ГГц на 4-8 ядер))) 😅
unlimited power
@@sebastiangudino9377 i don't know how you all have high expectations of civilization. It's about to collapse entirely. We'll lose computers the same way we lost the ability to have heated floors in houses for over 1500 years when the Roman empire fell
@@ArimaSenne1 I mean, yeah, sure, but we have been "About to collapse" since the birth of mankind. So I don't think Intel takes the entire fall of civilization into account when they decide ideal clock speed for their i9 processors
Finally a CPU that can run youtube with active adblocker in 2024.
This cpu got literally tortured to death
Congrats, and congrats again on beating this record with 9043.92 MHz with i9-14900KF, you and your team are the best overclockers on this planet. 300 MHz advantage between you and second place shows who's the boss. Could you please include in the title or in the description that you have used liquid helium, NOT LIQUID NITROGEN because I've seen like 250 comments about liquid nitrogen and how it's not possible to go that low. To each I responded that in fact it would be impossible that's why it's logical that you have used something different nitrogen is too hot (-195,8 C) for beating WR yet but helium on the other hand goes to -269C.
300mhz is not a lot and might simply come down to chip quality
@@xxxCyr0x At these clocks it is an astronomical difference
Welcome. Congratulations on the world record and the result above 9000 GHz. Remember one thing that the i9 is alchemy. i5 and i7 120-140 Watt with diffusion process will be better competition. Maybe it's time for 12GHz?
I do know I'm picking apart every word you say, but it was not 9000GHz, but rather 9000MHz - 9GHz :)
@@bedoka02 Thanks for the warning, I took it personally. I was tired when I wrote the numbers. You're right.
@@marcindragan3416 spoko mordo nie ma sprawy
bro if it was 9000GHz it will create a nuclear bomb 💀💀
@@youregonnahaveaskeletontim1925 nah bro my CPU runs at 9THz and its fine
Firstly this is great! BUT I don't see why this counts as 9ghz when it crashes after a second. I'd be impressed if you ran through a whole benchmark at 9ghz
The cpu silicon manages to hold itself together at 9,000,000,000 beats a second. Do let me know if you've ever seen another electronic device do that.
@@nightkidoany radio transmitter on a modern satellite
@@meox_ a satrllites beacon needs ghz and not watts? That's news to me. Thanks
@@nightkido watts are not related to ghz
@@meox_ I know, im saying that a satrllites beacon requires fast transmission instead of a powerful one. Or so you said
Finally a CPU that can handle modern video games
Finally, a practical way to overclock
a well deserved victory
Hahahaha I love how after celebration they go quiet and look at each other as if they thinking the same thing "So what do we do now?"
AIM FOR 12GHZ!!!
They realize it was useless
run file explorer
Try to actually get it to run
Still got chill watch this in 2nd day. Amazing guys! Congrats!
You guys should just make a heat sink that utilizes liquid nitrogen. Maybe use copper 101 and make a reservoir that lets you feed in liquid nitrogen and bleed off the vapors
That already exists
Look up the Asetek Vapochill
Use Helium 3 and Helium 4 under vacuum and liquid nitrogen. Tube-and-shell exchanger with Liquid nitrogen on the shell side and the Helium on the tube side. We used this for cooling uranium oxide processors. We could get down to .3 kelvin.
@@BigPawTivald how many watts did you cool like that?
Гелий!!!!.
Amazing! You guys got very close to making the CPU a superconductor, while I know there MUST be hotspots which won't reach the "ABSOLUTE ZERO" point (0 Kelvin or -273.15 °C), and won't happen even if a probe detects that kind of temperatures (because the probe is between the cooler and CPU IHS, so not inside the CPU die), the CPU's internal temperatures will be higher so they won't reach superconductivity, they only will be close, at most.
Now for those who don't know, superconductivity is a property for certain materials to conduct direct current (DC) electricity without energy loss when they are cooled down to 0 Kelvin, this has multiple benefits as 0 energy loss, the CPU would use ONLY as much energy as it needs to do it's operations. While the actual stability of the CPU which reached complete superconductivity is still at the mercy of silicone quality, you can say that after reaching the maximum frequency possible on the CPU, more than that, you won't possibly be able to get.
I don't think silicon, by itself, can become a superconductor.
@@vibaj16 You mean, as a material it can't reach superconductivity?
Idk what to say but since the efficiency of the energy consumption of the CPU is getting better the colder it gets, then I guess the resistance gets lower and as such it gets closer to superconductivity in my opinion, and that makes it possible to reach it.
@@nobody8685 no, silicon can't become a superconductor. Just because they can get a higher clock rate doesn't mean it's becoming more conducive
@@vibaj16 I didn't mean it's conductivity increases along with the clock frequency.
It's increasing the colder the metal gets.
@@nobody8685 And what makes you think the conductivity is increasing the colder it gets? Silicon is not a normal metal. I'm pretty sure it actually becomes a perfect insulator once it's cold enough.
Someone finally beat FX frequency after a 10 years 😄
nah, FX had a frequency of 10.2 GHz
@@zetix4839 i saw that video and it was a joke, if you didn't know. Real achieved frequency was 8,7 GHz
@@justcolday What channel did you watch it on?
@@zetix4839 RX4D же, нет?
yes@@justcolday
im so curious where our tech will be in 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 years. its so insane to think about how far computer hardware (and software, AI models etc) has gone since the first few pc products
The real record was more than 10 years ago, nothing has improved
The problem is transistors are aproaching the size of an atom, and weird quantum stuff can happen at that scale. Until we don't figure out something to get over it, we will not see many tech improvements in the next years
Validator confirms and happiness is in the air.
"Soooo, what do we do now?"
I have always wondered if thermal dilation could be a significant issue in tests like this
no not really not at these temps. it doesn't stay active long enough to take any effect. its almost like it doesn't can't because shortness of the activity but you know its all just for fun.
You achieved 9ghz, but the CPU seemed to die seconds after.
It doesn't matter if it stays for few seconds or few years. It achived that speed and posted, so record is his. Also no one can even come close to him, he has almost 300MHz advantage between 2nd place. Yes he used liquid helium here and rest of top 10 OCs uses liquid nitrogen which is hotter by 73C (from -269C Helium to -196.8C Nitrogen) but he's in partnership with Intel so he gets THE BEST CPUS produced, yes all of CPUs that are sold vary by 5% but when it comes to OC it''s important to get that silicon lottery right or you won't achieve anything.
@@0NeeN0 Well no offense but that's a pretty lame way of having a record. The world's highest clocked processor that can't do anything useful.
@@TapesNstuffS it's having a liquid that is like -250c poured onto it as are all of the other records, in what way would this ever be remotely useful to anyone?
@@TapesNstuffS like literally 97% of every world record achievements ever?
@@TapesNstuffS WR about car top speed, human top speed, any top speed is not remotely useful to anyone.
As a child that used to play with liquid nitrogen used to cool CCD arrays in large optical telescopes, I approve this method.
Cool, but they arern't using liquid nitrogen, they are using liquid helium. That's why they are the first, liquid helium goes to −269 °C, as for liquid nitrogen it's a lot hotter at −195.8 C. Max OC ever done belongs to elmor and his team, while 2nd place that used liquid nitrogen clocks "just" 8734.02 MHz, yes I know that elements used to cool CPU isn't all that matters because elmor had 1st before using helium but still it's 73C colder
I seen that they did it again and they have the #1 world record! They went up to 9043Mhz!
Congrats guys that was awesome!
Finally, a CPU that can open Epic Games in less than 15 minutes.
It was so low in temp that it'd be easier to measure it in Kelvin. -250 C would be 23 K
i want to see a vid exactly like this 10 years from now with current tech at the time, i could only imagine the clock speeds of everything then
This is as exciting as a "who can blink faster" competition..
good start for future computers
that's like 5 times by base clock and 2.5 times my turbo clock
If its a joint effort everyone should be sharing the love and shaking everyone hand in there and no not pulling your hand back from a fake shake as seen in this video.. Pretty unsettling. That was a spectacular feat that was performed and with major success its should be treated as such with great strides understanding what truly has happened. A major accomplishment. Give everyone their due respect that helped to accomplish this.
Congratulations!
Amazing record.
its crazy to think in about 2-4 years this will just be the power of a standard cpu.
I think about 8 years ago they had to use this setup to achieve 5ghz or so.
naaaa... doubt it... PC CPU speed jumps have been laughably small since over a decade now... There was a lot more activity in the early 20000s with giant leaps. However the energy consumption reduction is more important. Less energy demand (Especially with exploding costs for energy), less heat development and of course better battery runtime for laptops. That is what matters more. Efficiency over Speed.
maybe around a decade for 9ghz to become standard cpu
It will not and cannot become standard. Simply impossible in terms of physics.
@@frenzaru7774 whys that?. what would the alternative be to continue improving?, more cores and threads?, or would we need to create something that wouldnt even be a cpu anymore due to a vastly different architecture?
@@frenzaru7774 it 100% can, how else did we evolve from the first computer? Bytes and kilobytes were insane back then, and now people have been able to standardize the use of 6ghz from the 13900KS. I however doubt that itl take 2-4 years, but a lot longer, tech moves fast, but not that fast, considering how long 5ghz being a thing is
Awesome Elmor! Congratulations!
They are closing to the 10ghz prediction
But i want 10 GHz that can be used daily and in normal conditions.
@@Z3t487 10 + years for it to be standard now the standard is like 4ghz average 6 ghz max
@@tymont6339 Who knows, They thought that with Pentiums and we then went with more cores, maybe something else will be found thats easier than chasing high clocks.
@@tymont6339 i mean these i9s can run 6.5ghz stable
@@0Synergyperhaps we can use the potential of light someday maybe that'll be the code
Good to see them using the stock intel cooler that comes with every cpu.
Next step, please use Bose Einstein condensate to cool it even more and maybe get to like 14ghz
2002 we reached 3ghz stock frequency with fan cooled after 22 yrs we added up 6ghz super duper overclocked liquid nitro cooling, WoW...
they went over 9000 MEGAHERTZ!!
since i scrolled so far and didnt see it i guess ill have to say it
ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the year 1993 we asked us, if a cpu ever reach 1 Ghz. If this will be tecnically possible, as if 1 Ghz was a magical barrier, like the event horizon.
Casually just 50° away from absolute zero...
Edit: ALL RIGHT, I WATCHED THE VIDEO A BIT MORE AND IT'S ONLY 15° FROM ABSOLUTE ZERO...
Поразительно на что идут люди, чтобы запустить Minecraft Java Edition хотябы с 60 FPS.
For everyone uninformed: CPU ghz doesn't mean much. Performance is really independent of ghz. You could easily build a CPU that runs on 15ghz but performs much worse than other CPUs. You can only compare ghz for same CPU / same architecture. Also getting to 9ghz and not being stable doesn't seem like an achievement to me. I would be impressed if they ran a benchmark or something.
You're right about that.
Pentium 4 on 5 GHz in 2003: informative montage, explaining technologies, _cool_ music, frequency is kept for minute or so
13900K on 9 GHz in 2022: nothing explained, minimal editing, most of the video does not contain anything significant, frequency is taken for less than a second (and then PC seemingly crashes)
what a dissapointment
I love the thought of people looking back at this in 10 years time and thinking "what? 9GHz? That's all?"
Congrats! Would a production chip definitely not do that under same conditions?
This is probably a extremely well binned chip and a normal chip wouldn’t be able to do this. There’s only a certain amount of voltage a cpu can handle
These guys work for Intel so Intel is giving them super binned chips. The finest silicon that Intel can produce.
To answer your question, one could get close but not meet or beat these guys.
@@ryanjofre maybe not meet or beat but what about beating meat?
@@PrimetimeBJJ I’ve beat my own plenty, who hasn’t? Alas, I don’t beat others
@@ryanjofredon't lie
Her : he must be cheating on me rn.
Him :
but the real question is- CAN IT RUN CRYSIS ?!?
nop because it would crash lul
can it run roblox
I am surprised this took so long! I have been working with cryogenics my entire career, and this is only scratching the surface... Fun fact N2 displaces Oxygen, and these dummies are in an enclosed environment!
I was just watching pentium 4 overclocked to 5ghz and being cooled by liquid nitrogen
I spent months getting my p450mhz to 533mhz lol, I even had the darn thing outside in Canada in -40 lol, fun days!
Who else remembers those toys as a kid that you swing around and it makes that sound. 😆
Oh the irony as I type this on my old gaming rig a P45/ICH10R 775p Core 2 Quad 2.4GHZ OC'kd to 3.0GHZ water cooled and non stop running since 2004..Gotta love that Intel reliability...
Not sure how I missed this. This is absolutely INSANE!! Congrats!!
what was the weird noise that was being made when they overclocked it?
Wondering too. Was that some machinery for the liquid helium/nitrogen or was that the actual CPU making alien noises???
I love how were getting chips that do 5ghz out of the box. I remember when that was a feat only achievable by someone who won the silicone lottery
If tech companies hire more smart and talented engineers from around the world with passion rather picking female just for gender ratio then we could have even 10ghz by 2026 easily.
The craziest part is I know one day this will be a standard and it may be soon by the pace we’re going from even the first i9
Why is this not sponsored by Intel? Seems that people are spending LOTS of money on their processors, just to overclock.
Imo it should be, great advertisement like "bro our CPU can handle that kind of treatement" (even tho AMD can too lol not the point)
The coolest asians alive
The coolest pc I've ever seen
Awesome work! my only down point is I don't like the off gassing of a limited resource like helium into the atmosphere
Are you sure it was helium? I would have thought it was liquid nitrogen
@@shedactivist They achieved below -250 degrees which is impossible with nitrogen
@@shedactivistThen you would have thought wrong. It was helium 100%, not only it's listed on the website and on every news site there is about this record. But if you knew anything about this topic you'd know that liquid nitrogen is insanely hot (−195.8C) compared to liquid helium (-269C) which was used in this attempt. And if you don't know something, please don't try and correct other people.
The mindblowing fact. In a few year we will create a cpu that it will run at 9GHz stock with just a fan. Every year a brand new and better pc hardware is being released.
is this world guinnes record ???
With all that nitrogen gassing off, I am surprised they didn't suffer oxygen deprivation.
Liquid helium.
That's cold as ... Even so, there is a lot of unbreathable gas in that space and not a lot of forced ventilation.@@VilifiedOne
“We almost booted Windows!” 😂
Reminds me of how I overclocked my Pentium Pro 200 to 233 (stable) and then to 266 (booted Windows but then crashed) back in 1997.
“Yes mom I need this for homework”
9ghz but only on 8C/8T...
1 core* not all of them, they somehow made 1 core do all that
@@GroteKleuter ES (Engineering Sample) of i9 13900K, u can do pretty crazy things with ES CPUs.
Alien: Is that your best gonna do?
Hold my raygun
I wonder if they can run Starfield in 30 fps
Maybe at 1080p with frame gen and DLSS mod
Is this like what car guys do when they blast nitrous into their muscle cars? Same concept right?
If it’s that cold, why can’t it go higher?
Physics, as frequency gets higher the size of the die becomes more important, signals become out of time, ie. let's say you have a 128 bit bus (a common AVX/SSE2 register for example), the bit at the furthest end will arrive slightly later then the bit at the nearest end of the bus. This is also why some CPUs will perform better then others when overclocked (known as the "silicon lottery"), since the etching has less mistakes the CPU can be clocked higher and more features can be enabled since the internals are physically better. Another major factor of using LN2 is it decreases the average path loss of conductors which helps avert the issues caused by non uniform regions inside the CPU, this actually causes the time for signals to travel inside the CPU to decrease resulting in lower thermal output*, core voltage*, and most importantly a far higher maximum frequency (*compared to if the CPU were running at room temperature). The reason for this is because the conductors become more and more conductive leading to less parasitics and shorter path lengths. See the telegrapher's equation for a better understanding of that effect.
Remember when Intel said at the launch of the Pentium 4 (yes way back then) that the P4 could go up to 10 GHz? ^^
So was this like a time trial or a drag race? Didn’t seem like they could stabilize temp to maintain a consistent running cpu, whats the point?
If they wanted to make a sensible cooling system, they wouldn't have gone with liquid helium (or whatever they used)
big number good
i like how its running windows 7 to improve oc results
how tf is it running Windows 7 tho? 😭 I couldn't get Windows 7 to work on my i5 10400F
I didn't know that I need over *9 000 Hz* CPU to run Windows 7 xD
Great job boys! 😎
Наконец то intel разработали систему охлаждения для своих процессоров - в нее входят: балон с азотом и 5 китайцев)
So...what is the goal here, when the CPU dies immediately after it reaches the 9GHz?
record setting what the fuck are you expecting, theyre pushing it to the limit
The CPU did not die. They removed the CPU from its position.
that's nine BILLION cycles a second
wow
Maybe somewhere in the future the 22th gen intel is running this clock speed in daily basis 😌
“Twenty tooth”
@@PERTEKofficialtwenty second
Ooooh ok i get it
I don't get it. What does he mean?
@@percyjackson5017 22th is twenty tooth, 22nd is twenty second
@@PERTEKofficial ooh okay thanks!
Its like watching the start of a rocket. But in small.
Really small.
Did they forget to press the TURBO button?
The turbo button actually slowed computers down to accommodate old software that expected lower clocks. More aptly it toggled between the stock clock and a lower setting(s) back when software was written expecting specific clock rates. Something the vast majority of modern computer enthusiasts never experienced and don't have a clue what they're talking about...
@@NOX-ID47
I grew up using Commodore and I still didn't know that. No reason to offend everyone.
@@VVilkacy I'm not sure why pointing out that the majority of computer enthusiasts commenting here are born since 2000 causes you to feel offended on behalf of "everyone".
Regardless of your perceived offence, they simply were not around to experience things in the 80s/90s, that's not their fault. Not to mention that most people did not have computers in the 80s/90s at home, or even work or school.
The turbo button was commonly found on 286 16bit machines and 386/486 32bit machines so that software that was designed to run on the original 8086/8088 chip would run at the correct speed on the newer chips that had a higher clock rate. That old software was tied to the clock and executed instructions too quickly, making it damn near impossible to properly use the software, especially games as they would literally run faster than intended, not just like higher FPS, but like higher tick rate if that makes sense from a gamer's perspective. The Turbo button slowed the cpu down so it was closer to or matched the clocks of the software expected.
Your Commodore was 8bit and this wasn't a thing for that platform.
you can see the turmoil in the guys face with the previous world record.
did it run anything thing? or just go 9ghz and die after 5 seconds?
pretty sure it wouldnt be able to run anything without crashing at 9ghz lol
future generations will look back at this.
unfortunately you cant time travel like me.
them: uh oh, our cpu is overcooling!
*✨SUDDENLY, PINEAPPLES✨*
this does not help at all
I'm surprised they all didn't die or pass out from being in that room unventilated.
BRO THAT'S ALMOST ABSOLUTE 0 TEMPS WTF
4K => 4 degrees above absolute zero. Crazy and expensive stuff.
They never got below about 30K, not that close to absolute 0
@@buttersquids not that close..... -243 degrees
@@GroteKleuter yeah... 30K, like I said.
over 15 years ago, a company made a 10 GHz cpu. IBM made it. but now I cant find it anywhere on the net. It sounds like they made it, announced and then kept quiet about.