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honestly it's actually a pretty nice idea if it were to get done officially, the laptop gpu's could totally be released on desktop as like a low power alternative for those who need the efficiency but still want good performance, it's too bad nvidia would never go for it because they don't believe in making things affordable anymore
Honestly would like them to do it, may be a good way to bring back the "5" moniker for cards. RTX 3065 = RTX 3070M.etc As usually the laptop SKUs are equivalent to the desktop tier below due to core count reduction/power reductions, so giving the card better cooling and higher power delivery would allow them to push to the in-between region. So say let's assume, the 4080 Laptop GPU performs more like a RTX 4070, a desktop release of that version of the card could be badged as a RTX 4075
You do realize it´s what AMD did with lowend RX6000 GPUs, do you? However, they also killed them, when they did not include video decoding support. Which kinda defeats whole purpose of a lowend GPU. edit: oopsie, did not read the answers. Well, whatever.
Wasn’t there a thing about a year ago where people were repurposing laptop GPUs in actual PCIe cards to mine because the laptop chips didn’t have hash rate limiters? If I remember the laptop 3060 actually has more cores than the desktop despite half the VRAM
Yup, I had an embarrassing argument at work where I swore blind nvidia always use a lower SKU in laptops and name it the next tier, but nope, this time Jensen wrecked me with 3060M. Bastid.
If you ignore the first more obvious solution, which was the farms that literally had laptops sitting propped open at about 30 degrees facing down. why rip it apart when it runs just fine as is? Yep, they were absolutely doing that you are correct sir. This was why certain laptops were released but you could never buy them. Optimal mining conditions, (memory, core speed, etc) models would be snatched in pallets much like the GPU's. By the way, I have a friend who does water balloon collaborations, would you be interested in a collab?
I'm actually quite impressed with the engineering. If only they were honest and disclosed what they are selling in the listing AND made the drivers open source, I could see people being interested. The performance wasn't bad at all.
To sum up, I think the seller don't know about technical stuff, and the one who know tech stuff cannot speak english. This kind of card has a huge domestic market I don't think they need to trick you for any reason.
I honestly love the idea of putting laptop GPUs in desktop form factor. Not only potentially salvaging otherwise junk hardware but also with improved efficiency
nice joke. all of us better vote with our wallets and not simp nvidia or amd, only then they realise how absurd their pricing is but a lot of weaklings have given in and bought from them in the recent past causing them to believe they can pull it off again
@@rgbgamingfridge I've been stuck with a 3770k 2200 ddr3 and a 1070 for exactly this reason. Even my 1070 was bought used when prices dropped precipitately. The writing was on the wall when they released the titan, I had a room mate who bought one brand new and he literally had it delivered to him by his mom and complained about it not being there quick enough. Nvidia's premium market is fueled by these simple minded consumers.
@@doitf3525 i bought new 6700xt for 439€. Great card w 15-20% more power than 3060. Should last me few years then ill get 6900/7900xt when 8000 series releases and prices drop to reasonable
@@doitf3525 lmao so all you can play is 1080p at like 80 fps.. some people want to actually enjoy high fidelity gaming. im sorry i guess that youre too broke to pay like 350 for a better gpu?
This AliExpress graphics cards makes a huge success here in Brazil, and we have a full community of this cards with "techtubers" and users who make review of this cards. This 6GB 3060M is not recommended here, but we can buy some real good gpu (like a real 3060, 3070) for literally half a price in comparison with the Brazilian market.
The limiting factor for the 3060M in a lot of laptops is they tend to get added to "thin-and-light" gaming laptops so the power envelope is really limited compared to what it is capable of.
@@energygameplay6513 same..I'm still rock I ng gtx 1660 .gets the job done, but I really wanna a 3060. Cuz my psu is 550watt 80 us bronze. I don't wanna upgrade that as well
@@robertanderson5735 your psu is fine for 3060 mine is 500 watt but its old psu that came with case cooler master cmp350 so if i upgrade gpu to anything i would have to upgrade psu aswell....
The cause of the driver issue might be that these cards were produced for mining so they might have programmed a mining bios on them that nvidia drivers don't like. Flashing the bios to a real gtx 3060M might be helpful.
So awesome to have videos like this. Obviously this isn't an ideal desktop 3060, but this is definitely right up a lot of people's alley, but it's just not worth the risk to order it with no info.
for that performance, they can have what info I have on there, I don't personally have a bank, I put money on cashapp cards, stealing from me would just be practice lol
Pretty sure the driver issues came from Nvidia seeing tons of miners doing this laptop GPU on PCIe card thing (because non-LHR), that they started specifically locking out this config. If you go back even further, you may find older official drivers that fit.
They could have also just add lhr on all laptop GPUs, but I guess it takes more effort. Still pretty sure Nvidia just disabled LHR recently so would be nice if they don't lock this out
@@mcslender2965 No reason to. nVidia just released a new driver that unlocks LHR on desktop entirely, as mining is basically dead now that ETH no longer uses Proof of Work. The aftermarket is already overflowing with cheap cards and it's only going to get better.
Actually a bit sad that it only works with * special * drivers if they would remove the 6 pin and let it only draw up to 75w via the pci slot this would be a insane good upgrade card for older prebuilds with shitty psus u cant upgrade
Though doesn't mean the wattage showing on-display is any accurate specially with those Frankenstein GPUs, it was cool if he actually have measured it physically...
yeah me too less power drained cpu and gpu less cooling effort more durable less sound more stabilty not everyone need lıyd sport cars if i find from somehwere money i will invested for pc that direction. price goes roof when high watts need it u need much better psu much better cases and cooling lot more electric bill much more problem.60-80 wt gpu and cpus good durable mb lot of people donyt clean up much or dont invested expensive thing or not renewing long tinme. in time all those fan start do sound at high sound 6-12 monrth or even shorter while moslty even they start problem low speed u wont hear them much even 4-5 year later an example milion of milion people playing basic game use social media nad some old ganmes like world of warcraft dont need so good system best of the best look good but not so much diffrence not everyone pro gamer low profile and cheaper but enough power cards always welcomed but some users like me.
@@kazikokaziko4903 you should see the "laptop" cpus converted for 1151 motherboards... people got mad at intel for thier firebreathing 10th gen intel chips..... these laptop cpus like the qqls /qtj1 can run 5ghz 8c/16t on a laptop chip that is supposed to run 45ish watts stock.... but they can pump out 200w if the motherboard has the vrms to handle it D:
The GPU probably has a funky hardware device ID by default, they likely had to modify some driver files to accommodate its ID. I've had to modify some device IDs in nvidia's offical drivers to make installers work on lesser-known laptops. device manager > right click the GPU > properties > details > set the dropdown to hardware ids and then add that ID to the inf files that the nvidia installer unzips in C:\NVIDIA. this will force you to disable driver signing, but you'll have official non-virused drivers.
the best way is to install the frankenstein drivers for these Frankenstein cards, but u still gotta keep in mind altho the modded drivers allows the the official driver to be installed on it properly, it is not official by any means, as you are downloading some .exe from a stranger online. But(again) you have pretty much no other choice if you have a Frankenstein GPU like this. So consider at your own risks
@@loowick4074 that’s pretty much how the market has set itself tho, the highest binned chips of a particular die go into the Workstation cards like the A4000 etc, the the second best binned goes to laptops cuz they all have small chassis so higher binned = greater efficiency, and the last ones go to desktop cards
Uhhh, that’s because desktop chips are essentially poorly binned mobile chips. Very efficient bins go to laptops while crappy ones are turned into desktop chips. That has always been how they make processors and GPUs. How did you think a 3070 for desktop draws 200w power alone while the laptop variant (non MaxQ) draws a third of that and offer only slightly less performance?
@@cunnyman the difference between mobile gpu and their desktop counterpart aside from 3060 is kinda big tho and mobile 3070 draw up to 140w (150w for some 2022 mobile 3070)
@@16driver16 Honestly given normal desktop GPUs are not much more on Ali... i'd question if this one is worth it at all, even at the 100usd mark it'd be a bit questionable.
@@kajurn791 you must have a cheap power bill. This would save $ every month with minimal performance cuts. I just realized you said USD thats the problem. You have no idea what some people pay for electricity
@@kajurn791 in the US just buy your GPU used from a person going back to work after covid, failed mining operation, or a drug dealer/thief its way cheaper and you dont care how much power or gas anything uses so thats fine
I don't know why, but I love watching Dawid wield his box cutter. Makes me happy he's using that cheap thing when everyone else has their nice knives for unboxings. That being said, I'll get you a good knife if you're ready to upgrade!
I end up using my nice folding knife because it's in my pocket, but then it gets gunked up by the adhesive tape. In the long run it is probably better to use the box cutter for cutting boxes.
7:47 The way you're just casually discussing the graphics card, turn and immediately quickscope some random guy, and go back to playing like nothing happened is crazy
I'd say check out the RX 6600M, which is basically the same case as this 3060M one, but better, since the 6600 and M dies are the same, as are the specs. Only difference is the power target and a bit more core clock on the M model. These made quite a bit of sucess here in Brazil a while ago, when they were being sold for less than US$200. But now there's quite a few capable gpus around that price.
@@rabi0ne It's way worse for some other cards that pull more power, like the 2060S that have been using the same cooler. But for the 6600M, it doesn't use a lot of power, so it's decentish. I usually run at 2200RPM, and even on a 30c room, I haven't seen it reach 90c hotspot and 70c I get when overclocking. It usually hangs around 65c and 81-83c hotspot. That's without an UV too.
There is even cheaper than the RX 6600M, which is the RX 6600XT, its the SHELI 51Risc version but it runs so hot that you can feel Escanor's power. Even with undervolt, the card still runs over 105C hotspot but its price is only 230$
Actually got the same thing and was delivered about a week ago. I'm a Linux user and it was supported right out of the box with the default Nvidia driver. Was super pleased as I kind of assumed it was a mobile card right when I ordered it by ram amount. Was super surprised with the performance and most games would do better than my 3060 Lenovo legion. Wouldn't dare use such a dodgy driver so maybe if you're a Linux user this might be a pretty good option. Edit: also wanted to add that I was getting about 230 fps on GTAV using what I'm assuming are similar settings running on proton and Fedora. I also got around 60 at 4k ultra. I'd say a pretty good card.
@@utfigyii5987 funnily enough it's quite true. Actually zero issues. I play games for about 4 hours a day except on weekends. It's held up strong. The only thing I did was a repaste as I noticed the temps were erratic at times. The repaste cleared that up. Solid support on Linux though and super pleased.
I'm intrigued by your comment. Can you share your machine specs, your distro and drivers numbering version? , please. I would like to get a 3060 for a Nuc extreme 9 i7 32G RAM running Ubuntu core. There is a list of compatibility components over Intel's web page, but, you know, its about validation and enterprises stuff, a component can be compatible but it's not validated. Well, I'm restricted to some dimensions cause my unit it's a SFF computer and I have to consider that aspect too. I hope you can answer me. Thanks in advance.
@@fvlsereverecandiditibisole3403 I'm out of town at the moment but can chime in when I get back in a few days. I'm running Void Linux and awesomewm as of now. I can say I'm getting better performance on Void than on fedora and i3wm which I was running at the time of original comment. Void is technically rolling release so I'd imagine you would get similar results on arch/opensuse tumbleweed as well. I haven't used a debian distro like Ubuntu in over 15 years so I'm not sure if it would be the same or not but I do know they are probably on an older kernel so that might not help. As far as hardware goes I'm using this card, a Ryzen 7 5800x3d, and 64gb ddr4 3600 vengeance lpx. I'll get back with you though after I return and provide you more details. Hope this helped some
I think the most important conclusion from this video is that Nvidia could have done a better/more efficient card than what they did. I think with 8GB video ram and good drivers, while also allowing the "AliExpress" card to draw around 100W we would actually have a nice, cheap and quiet mid range card.
The driver issue is just Nvidia at work. Linus made a video about another mining card that could be used for gaming but Nvidia locked it in the driver. You have to change stuff in the driver to get the driver to install and work.
Dude, please help. I'm from Brazil and believe it or not, I bought a GPU with a mobile graphics card (unbelievable, I know, but I don't make a lot of money). What is it that I have to change in the card so that I can install the drivers from the official store? Thank you so very much.
Something tells me official drivers probably would work but you would have to edit the compatible hardware list before doing so. Done something similar to get a GTX980 Ti to work in windows XP.
Yeah, sometimes even finding where the installer extracts the temporary files and pointing windows to manually search that folder for the driver can get it working without relying on the official installer. I had to do something similar to get a laptop GPU working on XP back when my company bought newer computers designed for win7 and we still had to use XP. It would only install through windows, not the Nvidia installer.
You'd likely have to disable driver signature detection to make that work, but I was thinking the same thing. Just replace the device ID with a 3060 6GB laptop ID and see if it works.
Shhhhh...NVIdia might see that and encrypt their driver packages. But yeah, extracting the raw driver files is often necessary when the installers fail to work. Had to do something similar to get an old GT730 up and running. The installer was like "nope, I can't do that Dave".
The market for graphics cards on Aliexpress is very interesting. You can find other laptop graphics cards like the RX 6600M, or the RX 580 2048 SP which are rebrand RX 570. I would love to see more videos on this subject.
RX 580 2048 SP was an official AMD product though, although only in the Chinese market. I think it might have been a SKU aimed at Internet cafes if I'm remembering right. It is a bit faster then an RX 570, but I'm not sure how it does that?
You can probably force it to install the official drivers by using the "Have Disk" option in device manager. Yeah that still exists, all the way back from Windows 9x. I bet it's just a simple Hardware ID mismatch between what the driver says it supports and what the 3060M reports. The seller probably had to hack the installer to get it to work easily enough for the consumers, and the antivirus heuristics picked up on that fiddling.
Dawid, an issue here is that the brand new Nvidia driver that came out a few days ago gave most Nvidia gpus about a 20% performance bump in a lot of titles, which means you can't quite compare this to the desktop variant. Also, I'm pretty sure the laptop die actually has more CUDA cores.
You should try the AMD versions of desktop cards using mobile chips and compare it to the regular ones,because they use the official bios and have no driver issues.
Dawid, I'm pretty sure those drivers are just Device ID locked, that's why the North American driver installer package won't allow you to install drivers for it, probably due to it's PCI subset Device ID imbedded in the VBIOS. If the installer can't find the correct Device IDs it won't allow an install. There are ways to force it to install but that takes some code hacks to accomplish. The drivers they gave you are probably hacked drivers from the official driver package.
Here in Canada, it takes an average of one and a half months to get stuff from AliExpress. Sometimes two months. It's always been that way, even pre-pandemic, so I've just assumed it's the norm.
AliExpress and Wish are essentially Amazon-like retailers and resellers that ship directly from China, which is why prices are rock bottom and shipping times are astronomical due to customs clearance and such.
Im in canada too, actually slow shipping is all cuased by the world's most shtty express company CANADA POST, just track ur item and u will find out that the shipping is really fast before the item arrives in Canada.
@@tonyhan9393 Actually no. Canada Post will process it at the port of entry within 1 day of arrival in Canada, even on weekends. China Post is the weird one; they will give a "parcel arrived at destination" notification before it even gets on a plane.
You should be able to use a utility to reflash the bios so that way it will accept an official driver. Essentially what the fake GPU sellers do to try an hawk an old GPU as a new one, but this time actually flashing proper bios to the GPU.
You may have to modify the driver inf file and manually put in the device id for it to install official drivers. I've done it before with other odd devices, but it doesn't always work.
Hey Dawid, I'd like to see this card in a few months in a game that atm has not yet released and thus drivers do not exist for it yet. It would be good to see the performance hit vs a regular 3060 that has drivers up to date at that time.
I noticed these kinda cheap RTX 3060s and was wondering whether there are legitimate or not... then same day, boom, Dawid makes a video about it, which I might as well watch!
For installing the video cards that it doesn't recognize with the installer, you can do it through device manager and go to the card and select update driver and do a manual install of the driver and it works. It's the same way I did with a GTX 1070 Mobile on my HP zBook 17 G3 to get it to work.
I like how there's no "arrow" on a regular 3060's 1% in GTA V. _Not biased at all._ Have that GPU installed in one of my PC's atm _(using the latest v526.86 drivers, btw),_ and it works wonders _(for its price and TDP especially)._ If you can't even install a GPU driver _(nor manage your AV or use VT/SB)_ - *you* can be considered a dodgy boy instead. =) And that "promosing" in the description. * chef's kiss *
I picked up one of the JieShuo 6600m cards for $180 recently and am very pleased with it. Literally the best value budget card you can get right now. The card itself looks almost identical to this one. They are seriously streamlining their products. (Also, no driver issues. Just install the AMD driver pack and it's good to go. )
@@bobnope457 no. Just install the AMD driver pack/adrenaline and it's fully functional. The only oddity is that you can't change the vram speed. Not sure if it's a physical limitation, or if it's bios locked, but Core and power are adjustable, and it runs just as well as a regular 6600.
Hi, you may wanna check the overclocking with MSI afterburner, I have laptop with 2060m and the W goes to 115, most 3060m go from 115-140 depending on the brand, chances are the trojan gpu have more potential :D
You say that like you can just flash any random bios file to it and it will just work. It doesn't work that way. If he can't get proper drivers for this card, the odds of locating a proper bios flash that will work are even harder. You're trying to make it sound easy, but it's not.
I remember reading that these mobile cards built for mining were Linux only. Maybe they found a windows work around for them? I would definitely try Linux.
Hi David! It seems that the drivers provided by the seller have a Trojan. The method to install the drivers is, downloading the 3060 drivers from NVIDIA, decompress them and installing the drivers manually, I think that you have to install the 1650 first and then the 3060 laptops drivers. But, both works.
You could use MSI afterburner, and set the power limit to like 85% and then you wouldn’t even need to plug in the supplemental power. I use to run a dell optiplex with a 1050 ti. The 1050 ti I got had a 6 pin power connector, so I dropped the power limit to 90% and ran the card without supplemental power no issues. I crashed one time in my 2 years of running that system.
@@taylorwillis5556 I was literally thinking of this, I have a dell optiplex with a 1050TI. I think I'm gonna try and find one of these mobile GPUs to put in.
What does driver manager say the IDs are? Maybe we can determine where the die came from? Like the laptop brand or maybe it was a repurposed mining card i have never heard of
Hey man, thanks for the video! I was looking for some graphic card with low-power. And your video is the bullseye hit! I already ordered the same RTX 3060(m) 6GB from Jieshuo as 80W power consumption with (almost) the same performance is very promising... It's bad it will arrive after the Christmas 😁
I bought the RX 6600M when it was at its lowest of $180. Absolutely felt like the deal of the century for me. No hassle whatsover with installation, could even install the latest official radeon drivers. Has all the extra features too like SAM and whatnot. Shame it isn't the same with Nvidia drivers, tho I wouldn't have paid $50 extra for a 3060 anyway. It seems there's also the RX 5700 XT going for around $150 right now, would perform a bit better that the 6600M but at the cost of quite more power draw.
@@jmurph9598 they are super low power chips that are being pushed to around 100w already, these chips in particular when used in laptops probably run in the 25-35w range for power consumption reasons.
Hi Dawid, I think you should try power limiting the 3060 desktop to 80W like the mobile to see if there is a performance difference and the efficiency of each.
I did see a CPU adapter (forget where it was sold) that took a soldered on laptop CPU, and allowed you to put it directly into a desktop motherboard. Think it worked perfectly, but seemed janky af imo
There are just too many conflicting words in your sentence. Linux, gaming, trojan drivers ... Working drivers are these nvidia non official windows only. Therefore, you can't have both a gaming experience and trojans installed on Linux. Unless you have a marvelous opens source nvidia driver that can work with this gfx and then play the hundreds of titles ready on Linux.
@@MrCroky123nowadays, there is a driver that could launch it, although gaming performance would be theoretical, we'll see how it is in 2 years or so, when they bolt a 5060 mobile on instead
Would love to this become an official solution, I don't need the last fps and would preffer the lower power draw (quieter, cheaper, and not heating the room for no reason)
Did you try installing the actual latest driver from Device Manager? It should bypass the compatibility check (hopefully) If it doesn't, driver modding is still an option to remove the check and force install it.
I would LOVE to see the card tested under Linux with both the open source drivers and the closed source Nvidia drivers and see if they recognize the card and if so what they do with it.
This gpu with that driver would be amazing on my PC. Going from a gtx 960 2gig to that. My 300 watt power supply won't be a problem. I actually want that gpu you got lol.
It would be interesting to see how this thing runs with Linux with the free drivers. That might remove some of the worries about the sketchy virus drivers.
I doubt that if the nouveau drivers would be anywhere near good enough, they barely give good performance on officially supported cards, let alone the obscure stuff
I actually bought 2060 a while back with a huuuuuuge cooler from that seller (Great card btw cooling wise), there is probably a mention of the mobile chip in the description and you can contact the seller and he'll point you to the non mobile chips if you ask if you can game or only mine on it. Though obviously not as cheap, but still quite a bit cheaper than anything else available elsewhere.
Sometimes you can FORCE install of the Nvidia drivers via Device manager>select the adapter>update drivers. Then manually select the card from the available list and try and force them. I have had luck with a pre production 1080ti "10GB" by forcing install of consumer 1080ti drivers. Geforce Experience won't be happy, but the game drivers will be up to date.
Another way is to use something like a GT 1030 to force install the latest THEN install the jank card, climb into the nvidia driver folder, THEN force it to install drivers for a different card. Most of the Nvidia live divers have packets for the full collection of actively supported cards.
I sometimes have some trouble installing drivers for official Nvidia chips on linux. I'm very curious as to how Linux would treat and use unofficial cards, and if the official Nvidia driver does actually have a chance to work under Linux
I've never had any trouble installing Nvidia binary drivers on Linux but I'd still love to see if this graphics adapter worked in Linux. It'd be perfect for me.
I bought from a 3060 ti from a suspicious seller on amazon about a week ago. I got my $ back today...so that went pretty well 🤣 Gotta love that A-z guarantee!
Those Mining cards they change the bios they use a modified bois in which the power consumption is low so this card does not consume a lot of power like the stock bios
1) I just got mine the other day have yet to tinker with it to get it to work. I have been busy and it's a side project for my living room PC. I'll keep the comments section posted on how it goes incase my data helps someone in the future who's going to purchase the card. I was told to tinker with some settings in bios to get it to post, once i do that I'll come back for another update!
Doesn't work with 6/7'th gen intel, which is the budget build I was going for But I have a 10'th gen i5 and i also have an 8'th gen mobo so once I get either an 8'th gen cpu or an lga 1200 mobo I'll post again.
@@WhiteG60 idk if holo iso steamos 3 works well with nvidia if anything at all, but either smt like ubuntu/fedora or manjaro for instance should suffice.
Not sure if you mention it since I'm not done watching yet, but there's also a desktop RX 6600M you could try. It's similar to this in that it has a laptop GPU on a desktop PCB, except it's pretty much identical to the ordinary RX 6600 aside from clock speeds and power limits.
I actually recommended this on suggestions in the discord when the 6600M was cheaper than the 6600 and in stock. The 6600M is almost identical performance to the 6600.
This would actually be an amazing deal if you didn't need to download virus drivers. But the fact that you not only need to download virus drivers, but also can't upgrade your drivers any further is probably an all around deal breaker for what is otherwise an outstanding price for a GPU of this caliber.
I remember over ten years ago having to modify desktop drivers to upgrade a mobile Radeon X600M GPU, as the official drivers of that laptop were waaaay outdated and didn't work well. Maybe that's what they did with the dodgy driver, with some extra bonus... As for the performance, that's actually great, considering the price and power draw differences.
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Thank you for the info. I think most are well aware, but it is nice for you to address this.
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I knew that the drivers were a bit sus
honestly it's actually a pretty nice idea if it were to get done officially, the laptop gpu's could totally be released on desktop as like a low power alternative for those who need the efficiency but still want good performance, it's too bad nvidia would never go for it because they don't believe in making things affordable anymore
Honestly would like them to do it, may be a good way to bring back the "5" moniker for cards.
RTX 3065 = RTX 3070M.etc
As usually the laptop SKUs are equivalent to the desktop tier below due to core count reduction/power reductions, so giving the card better cooling and higher power delivery would allow them to push to the in-between region.
So say let's assume, the 4080 Laptop GPU performs more like a RTX 4070, a desktop release of that version of the card could be badged as a RTX 4075
Didn't AMD already do that
I agree. I would love to replace my 1060, with a 3060 6g mobile for 250 bucks right now.
You do realize it´s what AMD did with lowend RX6000 GPUs, do you?
However, they also killed them, when they did not include video decoding support. Which kinda defeats whole purpose of a lowend GPU.
edit: oopsie, did not read the answers. Well, whatever.
@@WhiteG60 if nvidia made it , father than diy chinese hacksmiths .
it would cost much more than even og 3060
Wasn’t there a thing about a year ago where people were repurposing laptop GPUs in actual PCIe cards to mine because the laptop chips didn’t have hash rate limiters? If I remember the laptop 3060 actually has more cores than the desktop despite half the VRAM
Yup, I had an embarrassing argument at work where I swore blind nvidia always use a lower SKU in laptops and name it the next tier, but nope, this time Jensen wrecked me with 3060M. Bastid.
that's what I remember to
If you ignore the first more obvious solution, which was the farms that literally had laptops sitting propped open at about 30 degrees facing down. why rip it apart when it runs just fine as is? Yep, they were absolutely doing that you are correct sir.
This was why certain laptops were released but you could never buy them. Optimal mining conditions, (memory, core speed, etc) models would be snatched in pallets much like the GPU's.
By the way, I have a friend who does water balloon collaborations, would you be interested in a collab?
I didn't even know that was a thing, and yes you're right, the laptop version has 3840 Cuda cores, while the desktop sits at 3584
also the 6600M those cards are about 190 pounds about 195 dollars difference is you can use amd drivers on them
I'm actually quite impressed with the engineering. If only they were honest and disclosed what they are selling in the listing AND made the drivers open source, I could see people being interested. The performance wasn't bad at all.
I don’t think they want anybody looking at those drivers
@@seanfaherty Most likely you are right.
To sum up, I think the seller don't know about technical stuff, and the one who know tech stuff cannot speak english. This kind of card has a huge domestic market I don't think they need to trick you for any reason.
@@eximdpd6077 you don't need to speak english to let me look at the code
@@eximdpd6077 probably it's made by Chinese government to spy on people
I honestly love the idea of putting laptop GPUs in desktop form factor. Not only potentially salvaging otherwise junk hardware but also with improved efficiency
Yep, we're living in a time where a xx60 series GPU for 230$ is "suspiciously cheap". I hope Nvidia's storage facilities are soon "suspiciously full".
same, i remember when the prices were half the actual taking as point of reference the minimum salary
nice joke. all of us better vote with our wallets and not simp nvidia or amd, only then they realise how absurd their pricing is but a lot of weaklings have given in and bought from them in the recent past causing them to believe they can pull it off again
@@rgbgamingfridge I've been stuck with a 3770k 2200 ddr3 and a 1070 for exactly this reason. Even my 1070 was bought used when prices dropped precipitately. The writing was on the wall when they released the titan, I had a room mate who bought one brand new and he literally had it delivered to him by his mom and complained about it not being there quick enough. Nvidia's premium market is fueled by these simple minded consumers.
@@doitf3525 i bought new 6700xt for 439€. Great card w 15-20% more power than 3060. Should last me few years then ill get 6900/7900xt when 8000 series releases and prices drop to reasonable
@@doitf3525 lmao so all you can play is 1080p at like 80 fps.. some people want to actually enjoy high fidelity gaming. im sorry i guess that youre too broke to pay like 350 for a better gpu?
This AliExpress graphics cards makes a huge success here in Brazil, and we have a full community of this cards with "techtubers" and users who make review of this cards. This 6GB 3060M is not recommended here, but we can buy some real good gpu (like a real 3060, 3070) for literally half a price in comparison with the Brazilian market.
Sheli official store it's one of the most reliable sellers for this graphics cards. Só na espera do 11/11 pra comprar a minha kkk
I wish i could upgrade to a 3060.....im stuck on gtx 1060 6gb
The limiting factor for the 3060M in a lot of laptops is they tend to get added to "thin-and-light" gaming laptops so the power envelope is really limited compared to what it is capable of.
@@energygameplay6513 same..I'm still rock I ng gtx 1660 .gets the job done, but I really wanna a 3060. Cuz my psu is 550watt 80 us bronze. I don't wanna upgrade that as well
@@robertanderson5735 your psu is fine for 3060 mine is 500 watt but its old psu that came with case cooler master cmp350 so if i upgrade gpu to anything i would have to upgrade psu aswell....
The cause of the driver issue might be that these cards were produced for mining so they might have programmed a mining bios on them that nvidia drivers don't like. Flashing the bios to a real gtx 3060M might be helpful.
Interesting idea.
I don't think there are mining bioses for Nvidia cards
@@castor9907 Yeah for Nvidia cards, the bios must be written via the Nvidia servers but everything is possible in China it seems.
@@bariscosmaz Remember there was the Nvidia source code leak not too long ago and the Chinese aren't exactly known to respect copyright laws.
@@Xenogenocide I remember it now. This is a strong possibility. They would absolutely do it if they can. You are right.
This gpu is really good, but I don't want that sussy wussy type driver that installs STDs in my desktop
So awesome to have videos like this. Obviously this isn't an ideal desktop 3060, but this is definitely right up a lot of people's alley, but it's just not worth the risk to order it with no info.
A $200 Trojan GPU though
for that performance, they can have what info I have on there, I don't personally have a bank, I put money on cashapp cards, stealing from me would just be practice lol
@@justrife I meant that you really don't know what you're gonna get from a website like this, it might just be a dud with no return policy.
@@DBDRFzero There's really no proof that those .exe files contain any malicious software. Needs further testing to confirm but certainly not ideal.
Pretty sure the driver issues came from Nvidia seeing tons of miners doing this laptop GPU on PCIe card thing (because non-LHR), that they started specifically locking out this config. If you go back even further, you may find older official drivers that fit.
They could have also just add lhr on all laptop GPUs, but I guess it takes more effort.
Still pretty sure Nvidia just disabled LHR recently so would be nice if they don't lock this out
@@mcslender2965 No reason to. nVidia just released a new driver that unlocks LHR on desktop entirely, as mining is basically dead now that ETH no longer uses Proof of Work. The aftermarket is already overflowing with cheap cards and it's only going to get better.
@@TheXev where do you get em do, cant seem to find them
@@TheXev
Actually a bit sad that it only works with * special * drivers if they would remove the 6 pin and let it only draw up to 75w via the pci slot this would be a insane good upgrade card for older prebuilds with shitty psus u cant upgrade
@Those Casual Gamers what
@Those Casual Gamers what?
Though doesn't mean the wattage showing on-display is any accurate specially with those Frankenstein GPUs, it was cool if he actually have measured it physically...
@Those Casual Gamers what
@@guily6669 i mean its a 3060 mobile they a build to draw as little as possible and i think it would still run fine with 75w
Really makes me wish there were official mobile variants of these for desktop. Would be killer for low profile card builds
So laptops?
Oh man the efficiency
Yeah, we lp users are still stuck with 1650/rx6400
yeah me too less power drained cpu and gpu less cooling effort more durable less sound more stabilty not everyone need lıyd sport cars
if i find from somehwere money i will invested for pc that direction.
price goes roof when high watts need it u need much better psu much better cases and cooling lot more electric bill much more problem.60-80 wt gpu and cpus good durable mb
lot of people donyt clean up much or dont invested expensive thing or not renewing long tinme.
in time all those fan start do sound at high sound 6-12 monrth or even shorter while moslty even they start problem low speed u wont hear them much even 4-5 year later
an example milion of milion people playing basic game use social media nad some old ganmes like world of warcraft dont need so good system
best of the best look good but not so much diffrence not everyone pro gamer
low profile and cheaper but enough power cards always welcomed but some users
like me.
@@kazikokaziko4903 you should see the "laptop" cpus converted for 1151 motherboards... people got mad at intel for thier firebreathing 10th gen intel chips.....
these laptop cpus like the qqls /qtj1 can run 5ghz 8c/16t on a laptop chip that is supposed to run 45ish watts stock.... but they can pump out 200w if the motherboard has the vrms to handle it D:
The GPU probably has a funky hardware device ID by default, they likely had to modify some driver files to accommodate its ID. I've had to modify some device IDs in nvidia's offical drivers to make installers work on lesser-known laptops. device manager > right click the GPU > properties > details > set the dropdown to hardware ids and then add that ID to the inf files that the nvidia installer unzips in C:\NVIDIA. this will force you to disable driver signing, but you'll have official non-virused drivers.
please make a video tutorial or something, because i can´t play games with the easy anticheat because they detect de drivers like "hacks"
Thaaank you
the best way is to install the frankenstein drivers for these Frankenstein cards, but u still gotta keep in mind altho the modded drivers allows the the official driver to be installed on it properly, it is not official by any means, as you are downloading some .exe from a stranger online. But(again) you have pretty much no other choice if you have a Frankenstein GPU like this. So consider at your own risks
due to the power draw and performance, somehow the ali express card was better than the real deal. wow
Shows the state of nvidia where even dodgy Alie express sellers give you a better deal haha
@@loowick4074 that dodgy gpu is still an nvidia gpu at its core tho 😅
@@loowick4074 that’s pretty much how the market has set itself tho, the highest binned chips of a particular die go into the Workstation cards like the A4000 etc, the the second best binned goes to laptops cuz they all have small chassis so higher binned = greater efficiency, and the last ones go to desktop cards
Uhhh, that’s because desktop chips are essentially poorly binned mobile chips.
Very efficient bins go to laptops while crappy ones are turned into desktop chips.
That has always been how they make processors and GPUs.
How did you think a 3070 for desktop draws 200w power alone while the laptop variant (non MaxQ) draws a third of that and offer only slightly less performance?
@@cunnyman the difference between mobile gpu and their desktop counterpart aside from 3060 is kinda big tho and mobile 3070 draw up to 140w (150w for some 2022 mobile 3070)
8:43 imagine getting quickscoped by a guy doing a tech review
The driver issues are a major deal breaker, doubly so with the malware bundled with the janky drivers.
That's why 6600M for 170$ is a way to go :D
They will get better though like other scam GPUs and this one might get good enough to actually buy
@@16driver16 Honestly given normal desktop GPUs are not much more on Ali... i'd question if this one is worth it at all, even at the 100usd mark it'd be a bit questionable.
@@kajurn791 you must have a cheap power bill. This would save $ every month with minimal performance cuts. I just realized you said USD thats the problem. You have no idea what some people pay for electricity
@@kajurn791 in the US just buy your GPU used from a person going back to work after covid, failed mining operation, or a drug dealer/thief its way cheaper and you dont care how much power or gas anything uses so thats fine
I don't know why, but I love watching Dawid wield his box cutter. Makes me happy he's using that cheap thing when everyone else has their nice knives for unboxings.
That being said, I'll get you a good knife if you're ready to upgrade!
I agree bro
Why blunt a decent blade when you have a box-cutter?
I end up using my nice folding knife because it's in my pocket, but then it gets gunked up by the adhesive tape. In the long run it is probably better to use the box cutter for cutting boxes.
And now he realizes the absolute efficiency of laptop GPUs
its an piece of a beast with only 80 watts of power
7:47 The way you're just casually discussing the graphics card, turn and immediately quickscope some random guy, and go back to playing like nothing happened is crazy
I'd say check out the RX 6600M, which is basically the same case as this 3060M one, but better, since the 6600 and M dies are the same, as are the specs. Only difference is the power target and a bit more core clock on the M model. These made quite a bit of sucess here in Brazil a while ago, when they were being sold for less than US$200. But now there's quite a few capable gpus around that price.
The problem with those MLLSE 6600M is their cooler... A block of aluminium that lets it work at 75°C (thise 3060 has a better cooler).
@@rabi0ne It's way worse for some other cards that pull more power, like the 2060S that have been using the same cooler. But for the 6600M, it doesn't use a lot of power, so it's decentish. I usually run at 2200RPM, and even on a 30c room, I haven't seen it reach 90c hotspot and 70c I get when overclocking. It usually hangs around 65c and 81-83c hotspot. That's without an UV too.
They also work with official drivers out of the box
@@tubularmonkeymaniac That's mostly why it's a better pic than the RTX 3060M, besides having 2 GB more VRAM.
There is even cheaper than the RX 6600M, which is the RX 6600XT, its the SHELI 51Risc version but it runs so hot that you can feel Escanor's power. Even with undervolt, the card still runs over 105C hotspot but its price is only 230$
Actually got the same thing and was delivered about a week ago. I'm a Linux user and it was supported right out of the box with the default Nvidia driver. Was super pleased as I kind of assumed it was a mobile card right when I ordered it by ram amount. Was super surprised with the performance and most games would do better than my 3060 Lenovo legion. Wouldn't dare use such a dodgy driver so maybe if you're a Linux user this might be a pretty good option.
Edit: also wanted to add that I was getting about 230 fps on GTAV using what I'm assuming are similar settings running on proton and Fedora. I also got around 60 at 4k ultra. I'd say a pretty good card.
Funny how the horrible linux Nvidia drivers do a better job at working than the "great" windows drivers. Any issues?
@@utfigyii5987 funnily enough it's quite true. Actually zero issues. I play games for about 4 hours a day except on weekends. It's held up strong. The only thing I did was a repaste as I noticed the temps were erratic at times. The repaste cleared that up. Solid support on Linux though and super pleased.
@@mkonji8522 which seller if I may ask? I want one so badly :-)
I'm intrigued by your comment. Can you share your machine specs, your distro and drivers numbering version? , please. I would like to get a 3060 for a Nuc extreme 9 i7 32G RAM running Ubuntu core. There is a list of compatibility components over Intel's web page, but, you know, its about validation and enterprises stuff, a component can be compatible but it's not validated. Well, I'm restricted to some dimensions cause my unit it's a SFF computer and I have to consider that aspect too. I hope you can answer me. Thanks in advance.
@@fvlsereverecandiditibisole3403 I'm out of town at the moment but can chime in when I get back in a few days. I'm running Void Linux and awesomewm as of now. I can say I'm getting better performance on Void than on fedora and i3wm which I was running at the time of original comment. Void is technically rolling release so I'd imagine you would get similar results on arch/opensuse tumbleweed as well. I haven't used a debian distro like Ubuntu in over 15 years so I'm not sure if it would be the same or not but I do know they are probably on an older kernel so that might not help. As far as hardware goes I'm using this card, a Ryzen 7 5800x3d, and 64gb ddr4 3600 vengeance lpx. I'll get back with you though after I return and provide you more details. Hope this helped some
I've come across this problem before on laptop GPUs where you have to manually modify the driver.inf file with the gpuid before they install.
I think the most important conclusion from this video is that Nvidia could have done a better/more efficient card than what they did. I think with 8GB video ram and good drivers, while also allowing the "AliExpress" card to draw around 100W we would actually have a nice, cheap and quiet mid range card.
Unfortunately Nvidia will not allow those three words to be together in a card
I'd like to see more of these "mobile" GPUs on desktop, it's a pretty interesting niche in the used market
Ive got a RTX 3060 12gb AERO on a pre-build MSI Trident 3 and its pretty sweet and compact :)
The driver issue is just Nvidia at work. Linus made a video about another mining card that could be used for gaming but Nvidia locked it in the driver. You have to change stuff in the driver to get the driver to install and work.
Dude, please help.
I'm from Brazil and believe it or not, I bought a GPU with a mobile graphics card (unbelievable, I know, but I don't make a lot of money).
What is it that I have to change in the card so that I can install the drivers from the official store?
Thank you so very much.
@@bruno_brasil maybe try install the driver manually from device manager.
@@bruno_brasil here is a video for the fix you will thank me bro
@@xserv8170 where is it lol
Something tells me official drivers probably would work but you would have to edit the compatible hardware list before doing so. Done something similar to get a GTX980 Ti to work in windows XP.
Yeah, sometimes even finding where the installer extracts the temporary files and pointing windows to manually search that folder for the driver can get it working without relying on the official installer.
I had to do something similar to get a laptop GPU working on XP back when my company bought newer computers designed for win7 and we still had to use XP. It would only install through windows, not the Nvidia installer.
You'd likely have to disable driver signature detection to make that work, but I was thinking the same thing. Just replace the device ID with a 3060 6GB laptop ID and see if it works.
Shhhhh...NVIdia might see that and encrypt their driver packages. But yeah, extracting the raw driver files is often necessary when the installers fail to work. Had to do something similar to get an old GT730 up and running. The installer was like "nope, I can't do that Dave".
That’s a good idea. I’ll give that a try.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Did it work??
The market for graphics cards on Aliexpress is very interesting. You can find other laptop graphics cards like the RX 6600M, or the RX 580 2048 SP which are rebrand RX 570.
I would love to see more videos on this subject.
RX 580 2048 SP was an official AMD product though, although only in the Chinese market. I think it might have been a SKU aimed at Internet cafes if I'm remembering right. It is a bit faster then an RX 570, but I'm not sure how it does that?
@@TheXev my favorite was the 5gb gtx 1060.
So random
i am still using my rx570 for only 70$ and its 5 years now from aliexpress
@@PunxTV123 could you please give me a link or product name?
@@SALTrips i forgot, I just remember it that it's from mining GPU cause it's stacked multiple rx570 without case on a thumbnail picture...
Why do all over seas packages look like that?!😂😂 How much tape should I use boss? .. .. .. Yes.
You can probably force it to install the official drivers by using the "Have Disk" option in device manager. Yeah that still exists, all the way back from Windows 9x. I bet it's just a simple Hardware ID mismatch between what the driver says it supports and what the 3060M reports. The seller probably had to hack the installer to get it to work easily enough for the consumers, and the antivirus heuristics picked up on that fiddling.
Dawid, an issue here is that the brand new Nvidia driver that came out a few days ago gave most Nvidia gpus about a 20% performance bump in a lot of titles, which means you can't quite compare this to the desktop variant. Also, I'm pretty sure the laptop die actually has more CUDA cores.
You should try the AMD versions of desktop cards using mobile chips and compare it to the regular ones,because they use the official bios and have no driver issues.
Dawid, I'm pretty sure those drivers are just Device ID locked, that's why the North American driver installer package won't allow you to install drivers for it, probably due to it's PCI subset Device ID imbedded in the VBIOS. If the installer can't find the correct Device IDs it won't allow an install. There are ways to force it to install but that takes some code hacks to accomplish. The drivers they gave you are probably hacked drivers from the official driver package.
Here in Canada, it takes an average of one and a half months to get stuff from AliExpress. Sometimes two months. It's always been that way, even pre-pandemic, so I've just assumed it's the norm.
AliExpress and Wish are essentially Amazon-like retailers and resellers that ship directly from China, which is why prices are rock bottom and shipping times are astronomical due to customs clearance and such.
check where the goods actually wait. In my case, they travel to my country for about 10 days then sit on our customs for two months.
@@Ludak021 Good idea. But even knowing won't change anything.
Im in canada too, actually slow shipping is all cuased by the world's most shtty express company CANADA POST, just track ur item and u will find out that the shipping is really fast before the item arrives in Canada.
@@tonyhan9393 Actually no. Canada Post will process it at the port of entry within 1 day of arrival in Canada, even on weekends. China Post is the weird one; they will give a "parcel arrived at destination" notification before it even gets on a plane.
You should be able to use a utility to reflash the bios so that way it will accept an official driver. Essentially what the fake GPU sellers do to try an hawk an old GPU as a new one, but this time actually flashing proper bios to the GPU.
all he needed to do was swap the inf file in the driver to the mobile one.
You may have to modify the driver inf file and manually put in the device id for it to install official drivers. I've done it before with other odd devices, but it doesn't always work.
This is what I had to do with my clevo mobile 1060 and rtx 2070
Can you make a video on it and reply back to me I’m planning on ordering some now myself
Yes, an easy way is to use techpowerup 's NVCleaninstall software that allows you to add hardware ID's to drivers.
I was thinking that he might be installing the desktop drivers instead of mobile. Didn't nvidia used to have them separated out?
@@waitandhope na they should be combined as far as I am aware of.
Hey Dawid, I'd like to see this card in a few months in a game that atm has not yet released and thus drivers do not exist for it yet. It would be good to see the performance hit vs a regular 3060 that has drivers up to date at that time.
Could you maybe test what happens if you power limit your real 3060 to 80W?
goes boom
Gta V engine limit is 188fps that's why the graph also shows that it sometimes cuts
Could you maybe try and flash it with a laptop gpu bios and see if you can get it running with normal drivers?
I noticed these kinda cheap RTX 3060s and was wondering whether there are legitimate or not... then same day, boom, Dawid makes a video about it, which I might as well watch!
For installing the video cards that it doesn't recognize with the installer, you can do it through device manager and go to the card and select update driver and do a manual install of the driver and it works. It's the same way I did with a GTX 1070 Mobile on my HP zBook 17 G3 to get it to work.
I got a MLLSE 2060 Super from AliExpress, made a video, very happy with it!
I like how there's no "arrow" on a regular 3060's 1% in GTA V. _Not biased at all._
Have that GPU installed in one of my PC's atm _(using the latest v526.86 drivers, btw),_ and it works wonders _(for its price and TDP especially)._
If you can't even install a GPU driver _(nor manage your AV or use VT/SB)_ - *you* can be considered a dodgy boy instead. =)
And that "promosing" in the description. * chef's kiss *
I picked up one of the JieShuo 6600m cards for $180 recently and am very pleased with it. Literally the best value budget card you can get right now. The card itself looks almost identical to this one. They are seriously streamlining their products.
(Also, no driver issues. Just install the AMD driver pack and it's good to go. )
Did you also have to install dodgy drivers?
@@bobnope457 no. Just install the AMD driver pack/adrenaline and it's fully functional. The only oddity is that you can't change the vram speed. Not sure if it's a physical limitation, or if it's bios locked, but Core and power are adjustable, and it runs just as well as a regular 6600.
Aww yiss the thrirdi sixty
Thiddy siggsdy
Tweeny ad teeeiiii
Secsi
More like Dirty Sixty amirite
R/ihadastroke
Hi, you may wanna check the overclocking with MSI afterburner, I have laptop with 2060m and the W goes to 115, most 3060m go from 115-140 depending on the brand, chances are the trojan gpu have more potential :D
3070m is the one which get up to 140w, 3060m only get up to 80- 115w
@@張彥暉-v8p 130w actually, 3600m can go all the way up to 130w with specific 115w models on higher tier.
"Hey! It's worked! We now have drivers -- and probably several trojun -- on the system now... " 😂
I paid $372 CAD for my 3060 a year ago...Asus...the real McCoy.
I think the driver issues might get resolved by flashing a new vbios. A different vbios might also unlock the gpu to draw 130 watts.
You say that like you can just flash any random bios file to it and it will just work. It doesn't work that way. If he can't get proper drivers for this card, the odds of locating a proper bios flash that will work are even harder. You're trying to make it sound easy, but it's not.
I wonder how that card works in Linux with their drivers.
even if it did not ever work, could perhaps have the option of loading the gpu in windows in a vm to avoid possible trojans.
I remember reading that these mobile cards built for mining were Linux only. Maybe they found a windows work around for them? I would definitely try Linux.
Hi David! It seems that the drivers provided by the seller have a Trojan.
The method to install the drivers is, downloading the 3060 drivers from NVIDIA, decompress them and installing the drivers manually, I think that you have to install the 1650 first and then the 3060 laptops drivers. But, both works.
Budget Rigs, Clemidia PC's, Trojan Drivers, SUS content. This is what I needed in life.
Has anyone brought up that insanely quick headshot by Dawid at 9:01? Like "STOP SHOOTING I'm trying to BENCHMARK!" 😂
The right drivers, no external power man these would make older pcs very viable 😁
You could use MSI afterburner, and set the power limit to like 85% and then you wouldn’t even need to plug in the supplemental power. I use to run a dell optiplex with a 1050 ti. The 1050 ti I got had a 6 pin power connector, so I dropped the power limit to 90% and ran the card without supplemental power no issues. I crashed one time in my 2 years of running that system.
@@taylorwillis5556 I was literally thinking of this, I have a dell optiplex with a 1050TI. I think I'm gonna try and find one of these mobile GPUs to put in.
that efficiency is actually crazy, hmm i wonder if you can overclock it to get it same as the desktop one
What does driver manager say the IDs are? Maybe we can determine where the die came from? Like the laptop brand or maybe it was a repurposed mining card i have never heard of
ID is never linked to particular brand of laptop/gpu
These profile picture stealing telegram/Whatsapp bots are a fucking plague...
Hi Dawid, I just bought an RTX thiddy sixty myself.
Hey man, thanks for the video! I was looking for some graphic card with low-power. And your video is the bullseye hit! I already ordered the same RTX 3060(m) 6GB from Jieshuo as 80W power consumption with (almost) the same performance is very promising... It's bad it will arrive after the Christmas 😁
so how did the card run ?
I think you need to do the "INF mod" in the driver to be able to install....same modding was used when swapping MXM graphics cards in laptops
I bought the RX 6600M when it was at its lowest of $180. Absolutely felt like the deal of the century for me. No hassle whatsover with installation, could even install the latest official radeon drivers. Has all the extra features too like SAM and whatnot. Shame it isn't the same with Nvidia drivers, tho I wouldn't have paid $50 extra for a 3060 anyway. It seems there's also the RX 5700 XT going for around $150 right now, would perform a bit better that the 6600M but at the cost of quite more power draw.
Can you increase the GPU power limit?
@@jmurph9598 they are super low power chips that are being pushed to around 100w already, these chips in particular when used in laptops probably run in the 25-35w range for power consumption reasons.
Hi Dawid, I think you should try power limiting the 3060 desktop to 80W like the mobile to see if there is a performance difference and the efficiency of each.
Yes there is, laptop will be better than desktop due to laptop have more cuda core than desktop
@@NamelessPassenger Sorry what did you just utter from your mouth?
I did see a CPU adapter (forget where it was sold) that took a soldered on laptop CPU, and allowed you to put it directly into a desktop motherboard. Think it worked perfectly, but seemed janky af imo
Just a quick congratulations noticing you're at 99 million views. Amazing! Love your style, keep up the good work
Very interesting. I wonder if you could run this under linux to avoid the trojan drivers and still have a good gaming experience
There are just too many conflicting words in your sentence. Linux, gaming, trojan drivers ...
Working drivers are these nvidia non official windows only. Therefore, you can't have both a gaming experience and trojans installed on Linux. Unless you have a marvelous opens source nvidia driver that can work with this gfx and then play the hundreds of titles ready on Linux.
@@MrCroky123nowadays, there is a driver that could launch it, although gaming performance would be theoretical, we'll see how it is in 2 years or so, when they bolt a 5060 mobile on instead
This is actually amazing. I wish there was a way of getting official drivers for this types of cards. I would really want one if they did.
There is similar type AMD card, the MLLSE RX 6600M that costs around $200.
It's also a mobile chip on desktop card, but no driver problems.
If these 3060m cards didn't have driver issues they would cost more
@@TryHardNewsletter ye I guess you are right
@@thepezfeo Is there? Thats very interesting. Do you know perhaps why amd has support for those gpus?
Imagine: Nvidia could make a desktop GPU that won't suck so much power but still give you amazing performance.
That's called a Quadro, and you can have one for the low low price of one kidney and your firstborn child!
Would love to this become an official solution, I don't need the last fps and would preffer the lower power draw (quieter, cheaper, and not heating the room for no reason)
"Enough packaging to strangle 3 harbor seals" GOLD!
Did you try installing the actual latest driver from Device Manager? It should bypass the compatibility check (hopefully)
If it doesn't, driver modding is still an option to remove the check and force install it.
I would LOVE to see the card tested under Linux with both the open source drivers and the closed source Nvidia drivers and see if they recognize the card and if so what they do with it.
Same, I was wondering why mister Tech Stuff didn't try it.
This gpu with that driver would be amazing on my PC. Going from a gtx 960 2gig to that. My 300 watt power supply won't be a problem. I actually want that gpu you got lol.
Ducks need HUGS
@@Margen67 And a great gpu for my needs.... 😅
Great Video Dawid! What software are you using to display the fps?
"In the spirit of those scientists that licked plutonium to see what would happen" - OK Jimmy, your up first!
It would be interesting to see how this thing runs with Linux with the free drivers. That might remove some of the worries about the sketchy virus drivers.
It probably won't run at all because the hardware is modified
I doubt that if the nouveau drivers would be anywhere near good enough, they barely give good performance on officially supported cards, let alone the obscure stuff
Not going to lie. I was kinda hoping for the GTS 450!
I actually bought 2060 a while back with a huuuuuuge cooler from that seller (Great card btw cooling wise), there is probably a mention of the mobile chip in the description and you can contact the seller and he'll point you to the non mobile chips if you ask if you can game or only mine on it. Though obviously not as cheap, but still quite a bit cheaper than anything else available elsewhere.
Yes, please do more fort tests in the future 🙏, it’s a great way to spec a system for me as well
7:45 gotta love Dawid casually headshotting people while discussing GPU efficiency.
Sometimes you can FORCE install of the Nvidia drivers via Device manager>select the adapter>update drivers. Then manually select the card from the available list and try and force them. I have had luck with a pre production 1080ti "10GB" by forcing install of consumer 1080ti drivers. Geforce Experience won't be happy, but the game drivers will be up to date.
Another way is to use something like a GT 1030 to force install the latest THEN install the jank card, climb into the nvidia driver folder, THEN force it to install drivers for a different card. Most of the Nvidia live divers have packets for the full collection of actively supported cards.
I sometimes have some trouble installing drivers for official Nvidia chips on linux. I'm very curious as to how Linux would treat and use unofficial cards, and if the official Nvidia driver does actually have a chance to work under Linux
I've never had any trouble installing Nvidia binary drivers on Linux but I'd still love to see if this graphics adapter worked in Linux. It'd be perfect for me.
I bought from a 3060 ti from a suspicious seller on amazon about a week ago. I got my $ back today...so that went pretty well 🤣 Gotta love that A-z guarantee!
I usually unpack the official driver with 7Zip if it doesn't work via the installer and then force the install via the INF-file in Device Manager.
Those Mining cards they change the bios they use a modified bois in which the power consumption is low so this card does not consume a lot of power like the stock bios
just sayin, it's more comparible to a 3060 ti according to the ebay seller I got mine from. lol. it's on the way now I can't wait for it.
1) I just got mine the other day have yet to tinker with it to get it to work. I have been busy and it's a side project for my living room PC. I'll keep the comments section posted on how it goes incase my data helps someone in the future who's going to purchase the card. I was told to tinker with some settings in bios to get it to post, once i do that I'll come back for another update!
Doesn't work with 6/7'th gen intel, which is the budget build I was going for But I have a 10'th gen i5 and i also have an 8'th gen mobo so once I get either an 8'th gen cpu or an lga 1200 mobo I'll post again.
It would be interesting to see something like linux if drivers either open or closed source would oficially work on this card.
@@WhiteG60 idk if holo iso steamos 3 works well with nvidia if anything at all, but either smt like ubuntu/fedora or manjaro for instance should suffice.
Someone already said it works fine in Linux with no mods
Not sure if you mention it since I'm not done watching yet, but there's also a desktop RX 6600M you could try. It's similar to this in that it has a laptop GPU on a desktop PCB, except it's pretty much identical to the ordinary RX 6600 aside from clock speeds and power limits.
I actually recommended this on suggestions in the discord when the 6600M was cheaper than the 6600 and in stock. The 6600M is almost identical performance to the 6600.
You realize it was a bot right?
"...And probably several Trojan..." I know, Right? LOL
The unboxing feels like one of those Tiktok jokes where police keeps tearing up packaging just to find more packaging inside.
Curious if that dodgy 3060 will work better on Linux. Might be a good GPU for Blender 3D if it works.
Which driver ?
it would be interesting to see graphics and al acceleration capabilities of such GPUs in like Blender or Dalle software.
This would actually be an amazing deal if you didn't need to download virus drivers.
But the fact that you not only need to download virus drivers, but also can't upgrade your drivers any further is probably an all around deal breaker for what is otherwise an outstanding price for a GPU of this caliber.
He actually got scammed, this is quite expensive to pay this much for this card, found it elsewhere brand new and for less than 200
You forgot a chart to show how many Trojans you got and how many times you had your identity stolen compared to the real one. 😂
buying 6gb ram gpu is waste of money when many games easy take over 9gb on 1080p
I would try the second driver first as the first one was the malware.
I remember over ten years ago having to modify desktop drivers to upgrade a mobile Radeon X600M GPU, as the official drivers of that laptop were waaaay outdated and didn't work well. Maybe that's what they did with the dodgy driver, with some extra bonus...
As for the performance, that's actually great, considering the price and power draw differences.
Don't bother with frankenstein drivers. It's not worth the trouble.
Return of Box Tape Man 😂
Those trojans will have your computer mine some crypto in the background for them 😂
I just bought a card from Amazon, and my card had a cd of drivers, and a note saying do not update from nvidia site or the card will not work