BGA microsoldering is no joke. I took a weeklong course with one of the best shops in the country, and found out that my hands aren't steady enough. That was a big job. Respect.
Hey, that's my card! Sold it to Spiderweeb, he didn't tell me anything about what he planned on doing with it and randomly sent me screenshot of GPU-Z with 16GB VRAM visible a few weeks later... I didn't even notice it at first!
Do you know if Spiderweeb would be willing to do the same thing to more 3070s for a fee? He did an awesome job and I'd like to do the same thing to my RTX 3070.
@@NextEevolution not sure, he's not the one who modded it. I sold it to him and he shipped it to someone else to mod it. I can ask, but it'd probably be something like $150 after labor. Not worth it unless you want a cool one off card
@@Rokomarn well because it depends on the game it would be a major difference on recently released games that had the vram issue and maybe upcoming triple AAA games?
@@bootchoo96 It was planned but never released. Since everyone bought 3080 10GB like crazy from 2020-22. Why bother putting more ram when less ram card is selling like this.
Yeah it’s a bit of a shame. I have the 3080 10gb version and it would really benefit from some extra vram. Not planning to upgrade it for a little while still though. That thing runs stuff fast enough but sometimes that vram limit is a bit of an annoying bottleneck. It wasn’t necessary. Especially painful since some of the lower end cards got way more vram, even if it’s slower. Maybe when they release the 50 series I’ll look into it again but I’m doubtful that I’ll upgrade then too. Had a 1070 before I got the 3080 but the 80 series should last me a bit longer. Also no real reason to upgrade yet.
@@bradhaines3142 you try Diablo 4 yet? I saw a lot of people complaining about running out of VRAM, stuttering etc on 1440p high with the rtx 3080. Hell even 1080p ultrawide high was too much for either of my 8gb GPUs. It's a shame since the game has excellent textures and otherwise good performance.
@@bradhaines3142 I don’t have anything noticeable, I’m still gaming in 1920x1080 until I upgrade monitors at least. Prob will be a little tougher in 1440 tho but I could also just be what I’m playing.
I remember doing a similar mod for somebody back in the day. 22GB 2080ti mod was quite the sight to see. I've also done 12GB 1080tis because they used the same PCB as the Titan Xp but just didn't solder a chip down. Flashed Titan Vbios and it just became one after that. The 2080ti was an interesting one, because it was in for VRM repair, but I had the GDDR in stock for another GPU and offered to try it out for just the cost of the parts. Client said "hell yes do that" and now there's like 3 of them in existence that I've made.
@lhacene le roux Physically, yes. The 3060ti has 8x 1GB right now. 8x 2GB would be the same mod as here. I don't know how the vbios and driver would react, though, but probably very similar to this card.
In my experience, when VRAM runs out and stuff has to be loaded into system RAM instead, you might not necessarily notice a change in the average framerate, but you'll be more likely to encounter frequent stutters which can be very jarring.
Yep, or just lower the texture quality automatically like we've seen with some games like Forspoken. So gamers with a GPU that lacks VRAM may be tricked into thinking they're actually getting ultra 😂
50 can't take advantage of 6 GB. it's low budget for ultra slim devices. it's slow 60 can't take advantage of 8 GB. it's budget for slim devices/light devices (like Zenbooks, Proart) and university workloads (3D renders, CUDA, editing) 70 is just at the sweetspot for 12 GB. it's an entry card for advanced AI models, excellent CUDA, cache optimization. also just fast enough to run Hellblade 2/BMW at maximum settings in 4K. (my bottleneck is the VRAM since i use the mobile 4070) 80 is just the premium for gaming. you don't need more. 16 GB is enough for any game for 3-6 years more. VRAM will not be a bottleneck for a 16 GB card since 4K is still not the mainstream 90 is the Titan model. you buy it only if you make content or just have money to spend. mainly used for large AI models, editing, rendering.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 what do you mean 50 and 60 can't take advantage of more vram? you know not everybody can afford 70, 80, 90 series cards, so someone may buy a 3050 for rendering in blender, where more vram certainly helps. with the constant increase of unoptimized AAA games, more vram is always useful, and someone may absolutely need more than 16GB on a high end expensive card, i highly doubt that more than 16GB can't help in 4k AAA games on high settings. here it kinda sounds like you're defending nvidia for purposely making budget cards shittier than needed just to force people into buying more expensive cards, some of the trade-offs they make in budget cards straight up make 0 sense, for example in some cards they have versions with less and more vram, but they don't only change the vram, but also the memory bandwidth and bus, completely changing the performance of the card, like in the 3060 8GB, and 3050 6GB, while still selling them for a similar price. that is just straight up greed. this is also why i still have a 3060 12GB, because it's just enough to cope with modern games on medium-high settings 1080p, and the 40 series version has such a small difference that it's just not worth it when on a budget, plus the 4060 doesn't have a 12GB variant.
Fun fact : The warranty seal is come from one of local distributor in Indonesia. The distributor name called DTG which distribute corsair and gainward here.
Finally a GPU that can utilize its full performance! Edit: Even though some may argue that the performance difference is small. It will sure help in the future.
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Is the issue more pop in, and textures not loading correctly? That seemed to be the focus of the HWUB video at least. Would be interesting to see how textures performed. I imagine the reason the games are still running comparatively well on both cards, even when the 16 GB is pulling more textures, is because the textures aren't loading correctly on the 8 GB.
16gb wouldn't be possible on that because it uses a 192 bit bus (that uses 6 memory modules, and 6 cannot multiply into 16 properly), the next closest thing would be 12gb. You can traditionally only half or double the memory capacity, and this is also why the 3060 has 12gb of VRAM on its 192 bit bus (6x 2gb memory modules) while the 3060 Ti only has 8gb but has a 256 bit bus (8x 1gb memory modules).
This is just marketing… the 8 gig cards will work fine hell there will be people playing on 4 and 6 gig cards at 1080p for years still. Adjusting shadow textures alone can be all you have to do to play any of the memory leaking recent poorly optimized ports to work. Digital foundry did a good example of RE4 showing this. For sure more Vram is better but at a certain point it isn’t going to increase actual gaming performances due to raw rasterization performance limits. The weaker mid tier last gen cards aren’t going to be better if they all had 16 gigs of Vram this video proved that clearly. This has been mainly a marketing campaign AMD have been pushing due to the only thing they can call a win over a nvidia is they give you 4 extra gigs of vram per tier. They don’t win in raw Rasterization, Ray tracing , DLSS, power effeciency , actual real world gaming benchmarks, have No Cuda support, Broadcast, Nvenc, no Machine learning/Deep learning API support…. Basically the only thing AMD offers is 20% cheaper raw rasterization per sku and a extra 4 gigs of Vram 99% of people will never utilize or know the difference. It’s no accident every AMD TH-cam marketing channel for 2 months straight have mentioned Vram constantly. Before the 4070 was released it was constant rumors it would only have 8gigs for a month it was going to be dead on arrival due to only having 8gigs. It is finally released has 12 gigs and then the subject turns instantly to 12gigs isn’t enough it should of had 16gigs to be FUTUREPROOF… Haha I think it’s funny to watch the out in the open marketing campaign as 2 recent AMD sponsored titles are released Last of Us and RE4 and both have a Vram leakage problem at the exact same time every TH-camr instantly starts claiming 8gig cards are obsolete.. little to on the nose 👃..
@@JoeWayne84 Iv had an Nvidia card in the past and if it had more vram, it would have lasted much longer for me, altho 8 gigs is enough now, in the future it won't and the vram will be a bottleneck to the GPU, just like it did to my gtx 970. Plus I doubt like half of the tech TH-camrs I watch are "amd marketing channels", and witch brand you buy of gpu's is purely personal preference right now, I don't care about Nvidia's better features that much (at least not enough to spend the same one a 3060 8 gig than a 6700xt, and I'd imagine that's what most of these "and marketing TH-camrs" are thinking), but I do care about longevity, making amd a much better deal for me.
@@georgejenson7402 you really don’t think these tech TH-camrs who are given free hardware by AMD aren’t told what to say??? I think that’s a little naive they might not tell them in writing but I’m sure they have a sales rep are someone who contacts the bigger channels and tells them what to set as the next talking point. It would be naive to think they don’t influence the narrative at all when they are giving these channels tens of thousands of dollars of samples a year. As far as the small channels they instantly bite on whatever was said negative about Nvidia and make endless copycat content with zero substance just repeating rumors mainly. There just hoping to surf into having a viable TH-cam channel by telling people what they want to hear. There is a very large TH-cam community of AMD fanboys there are channels with 200k subscribers who make ridiculous AMD fanboy content. Moores law not a apple guy ufd etc a lot of these channels made some garbage fanboy content to grow those channels and it worked great for them … fair game haha. There seems to be a unified repeat of one topic every two or three months the only thing they always have in common is they are pro AMD. If you paid attention to the TH-cam pc hardware channels the last year it was the 4090 is going to be released soon and your going to have to install a seperate breaker in your house for it. No way will your 800 watt psu be able to run this thing it’s going to be the most power hungry card ever released. Then it released and it’s forget we ever mentioned that excess power guys but damn this new plug Nvidia is using is causing melting GPUs oh my god a month of video after video of don’t buy Nvidia there cards are fire hazards ( thankfully gamers nexus one of the least bias channels by far showed you had to have the gpu half unplugged and run artificial benchmarks to cause a issue.). Then it was display port 2.0 … the rtx40 series didn’t put display port 2.0 on there cards they are ripping people off. Don’t buy a Nvidia card because you won’t be able to use modern monitors. Wait for the new RDNA cards and they will have the new display port. Only problem is there still isn’t a monitor produced are announced to be in production with display port2.0 … So again it’s a nothing burger. Hdmi 2.0 won the format war. Now it’s there isn’t enough vram and 8gigs isn’t enough for 1440p gaming. That’s just silly you can always adjust your texture setting to use less vram most cards that have 8gigs your going to be lowering setting anyway trying to get higher framerates , but we had two AMD sponsored ports released at same time that clearly have a leak in the games Vram even in settings the game uses more than it should. And these games will be patched and corrected but it further makes the cheap AMD cards that have 4 extra gigs always look like better cards than they actually are. Oddly at a time AMD has hundreds of thousands of those last gen GPUS sitting in warehouse wishing someone would buy them at a bargain price.??? You really think there isn’t any market manipulation? AMD GPUs aren’t sold to creatives and non gamers Just gamers only so they take the TH-cam marketing very seriously and have done an amazing job. Like I said there is only one thing in common these common topics they always benefit AMD , AMD just had processors melting in motherboard’s barely any coverage, Are the RX7900 cards still have 85 watt idle power draw and won’t work with multi monitor setups with different resolution and some ultrawides.. not a peep. Hell the first 7900 oem cards had faulty coolers. Basically gamers nexus are Debaur cover the issues and that’s about it. There isn’t the same string of 10 new small TH-camrs making the same talking point video because they know it’s against the marketing money that they want to get there hands in. And they know the TH-cam fanbase is mostly made up of people who can’t afford a high end gaming PC but people who would love to have a high end gaming PC. And one thing those people who have to settle with second best always do is they over compensate with brand loyalty as if they have to validate there purchase to themselves by being a AMD fanboy on TH-cam. I think it’s amazing though I’ve semi paid attention with the youtube tech space since the start of Ryzen 1000 series and the way TH-camrs pushed slower worse CPUs on there own viewers till basically ryzen 5000 anyone who bought a ryzen PC before 5000 series was delusional oh I need the 16 core part haha now the 7800x3d is out and it’s fuck a 13900k are 7950x3d , 8 cores is plenty haha. Seriously watching the marketing sale the ryzen systems in the beginning was amazing those systems were barely on par with fucking haswell haha.
Try testing the card in rendering tests/ workloads that take advantage of extra VRAM! It'd be interesting to see programs take actual advantage of the upgrade.
This is why i hate those comments saying that "my 3060 12gb will last longer than 3070". It dosent matter if you have 12gb of vram if the core cant run any games that fully utilize that amount of memory.
This is cool. I wanted to do something like that with my Nintendo Switch but I realise probably most games won't use more RAM anyway so might not be worth the cost.
@@jemandetwas1 I am overclocking the CPU, GPU and even RAM. Helps with framerates and stutters, but the Switch feels warmer and the battery runs shorter.
most of the times you didn't notice a difference were because you weren't moving. lack of memory gets accentuated when asset swapping, if you stop moving no asset gets swapped and the card "stabilizes". if you start moving, the 8gb card still stutter like mad, lose performance and overall deliver an unplayable experience when the game doesn't handle the handicap properly... like control does. it was basically running at much lower graphics settings on the 8gb version to save memory
thanks for testing, dawid. so the tldr version is: the whole "if your settings exceed your card's vram, your game gets massive frame drops or will crash or textures wont load properly at all" is a MYTH perpetuated by channels like hardware unboxed and 8:48 proves it. Hardware unboxed used early builds of tlou and hogwarts legacy as "proof" of textures not loading but those games have received patches now. So the games were faulty, not the vram overflow. yes the framegraph will be a bit more stuttery (9:53) but this silly notion that 8GB cards are DOA now and people who bought an 8GB card last year that can still run modern games due to having reasonably powerful rasterization just had their cards thanos'd in 2023 and should go back to the store and get a 12GB or 16GB card or be forced to crank their settings all the way to low or medium is a myth. if you have a 16GB card, it just means the game will load up more into its vram. if the game can't, cause you have less vram, it will use more system ram and you may get a bit lower fps and a bit more stuttery framegraph, but nothing game breaking if the game has been patched properly instead of being a brand new buggy port running on console 16GB vram architecture.
I think 1% and 0.1% lows probably would have told more of the story? Especially when Tarkov would load from normal RAM to VRAM for example. Fun video though!
The games use a config file to determine how to use the video card so you have to modify the config file to tell the game you are using another card that has 16gb ram by default in it.
Super cool. I have rhe 3080 10GB and while I mostly game at 1440P and it still crushes at that resolution, I can't help but to think how legendary the card would've been with 16gb of Vram.
I think a lot of the issue with testing existing older games is that they were designed with 8GB cards being the norm for high-ish end, so they could only really use 8GB of ram before the game is labeled as "unoptimized"
I have that exact GPU just with the PNY stickers on the fans. I remember when the 3070 was leaked with the 16GB variant and then they canceled it before it released, I complained about it and I got so many negative responses as if I was being unreasonable asking for that much (despite it being very obvious with the consoles set to give their games access to 10-12GB of their shared GDDR6). A couple years later I was proven 100% correct when 8GB cards started commonly running into issues with the biggest games (the new Resident Evil for example, I saw cases where the game would just instantly crash if you raised the texture setting above the lowest). One thing you have to realize in your testing, is that in many games openly lie about how much VRAM they're using. It might SAY 7GB of a 8GB card (leading you to believe you have 1 whole GB of extra headroom), but what it's actually doing is caching more and constantly swapping it in and out of the VRAM which severely harms performance AND frametimes AND load stuttering (and sometimes visible texture pop-in or stuck LODs as well), so it's only when you are very far clear of your max, say 7gb out of 12 or 16gb max, that you will avoid those performance issues and the game will actually be honest about how much it intends to use.
8:57 Yeah I think that if you click on GPU in task manager the "shared memory" is the amount of system RAM that your video card can borrow. My 3080 shows it as having 15.9 GB of shared memory which is basically half of my RAM. The system RAM is crazy slow compared to the GPU memory but it's better than running out of memory.
@@PrashantMishra-kh1xt I have a 3060 t. I and can reach 60 fps 4K close to ultra on a lot of games. I've ran into Vram limits though so to say it doesn't matter is incorrect.
Id be interested to see how well tbis card could do in Microsoft Flight Sim in VR mode 8gb versus 16gb. VR needs to render the image for two different eyes seperately so it might get a noticable bump...
Would it make a difference though? Granted, I have no idea what VRAM actually does, but it renders 2 only slightly different images, so would it really need more resources in VRAM? I'd expect a larger render distance or bigger FOV to have more of an effect. But again, idk what VRAM does sooooooo...
As someone who runs a 3070 that constantly runs OUT of VRAM because of VR games, yes. It would make a big difference. Not to mention video editing, rendering and general VFX usage.
Do you think the drivers for the 3070 weren't optimized to utilize the extra video memory? I know it said it was using more and in resident evil we saw quite a better frame rate but I'm wondering how much better it would run if the drivers supported it.
This is an amazing video. I have an rtx 3060 laptop and I was wondering a lot if I could sometime in the future solder more vram and this video really made me think that it could actually be possible. Please try to find more stuff like this.
Bro it wont matter. If you got a normal pc with the same laptop specs you would get double fps. Gaming laptops are horrible and they make them small so thermal throttle happens and they put power settings on some of the gpus depending on the laptop brand so for my advice i would 100% sell that laptop and invest in a tower. I was in the same situation as you i had everything on max power and still wasnt sastified with the performance and it would sound like a jet engine. Also this video isnt a really good way to show the performance of the extra vram. Vram has higher or slower speeds depending on the chips and from what i understand not even this gpus vram in the video runs itself at 100% more like 50%
@@AT4LAS I am pretty satisfied with the performance of my 3060 laptop. One of many examples where I would like more vram would be in fh5. In this game I can't turn textures to ultra. I play the game with ultra preset 1440p but textures turned to high/medium and I get 75-90 fps depending on the scene mostly around 85 or so in the open world but when I turn utra textures the game pops up a message saying there is not enough vram and I get around 60 fps with some stutters. I am sure if this card would have had 8 gb it would have been fine.
I've been wondering the same. Laptop modding is pretty rare though, theoretically there's no reason why these same 2GB modules couldn't be used though.
9:00 That's because the 8Gb card doesn't have enough Vram to produce the same textures as the 16Gb. The computer will use your normal DDR RAM to store those textures but it is way slower at doing it than VRam.
Nvidia i swear sometimes they under perform some their gpu's to make amd seem like a good choice when they know they are holding more than 60% of the market Nvidia I'm not hating but seriously let the next gen of gpu's have more and I mean more that 24gigs of ram and a wider memory bus (no one please take this as hate)
that unsatisfying blade opening at the beginning of the video and to dawid's surprise, its held together with the impossible to rip bond sticky crap between cardboard xD
All the cards are capable of having/using more vram. For some reason Nvidia decided to push this ray trace crap but still gimp their cards in what seems like a ploy to force gamers to waste more money on higher tier cards for triple the price. I like the idea of this frankencard but it is sketchy and too many things need to be done to get stability. Cool idea but I will stick to the rx 6950 xt and deal with the amd driver headaches.
@@RuruFIN Undervolting and heating issues(random spikes, not sustained overheating) and it hated windows 11. All minor headaches and in the grand scheme of Ngreedia, nothing I even consider an issue now. The 6700xt is a sweet sweet 1440p gpu. It should be the absolute minimum gamers are using. Even nvidia cant seem to sort themselves out with getting 12gb vram on cards.
It's incredible how far system RAM has come. As you pointed out, the system with the 8GB 3070 uses more RAM than the 16GB 3070. All of that is information dumped from the GPU to the systems memory. There are frame drops on Escape from Tarkov and The Last Of Us but I image them to be much more noticable on older systems with DDR4 or DDR3.
doom eternal with 4k, rt on, and the texture pool size set to nightmare or ultra nightmare should do the trick. I struggled a lot with getting decent performance with my 3070 with these settings so I had to switch the texture pool size to high to fix the issue and have a stable frame rate
1:30 In the USA your warranty can only be void if the aftermarket replacement parts you used were the cause of the damage. You cant deny a claim for a defect on the power rails that eventually lead to a short on one of the 8 pin power solder joints because you used aftermarket thermal paste
the extra vram would be a huge boost for 3d rendering (not always in terms of speed but sometimes if the vram isn't enough, blender either crashes or turns to system ram, which increases the render time by up to 3 or 4 times)
Even this generation is pathetic with VRAM. The RTX 3080 had a 320 bit memory bus, so IMO they really should have made the 4080 a 320 bit card with 20GB (similar to the 7900 XT), and given the 4070 and 4070 Ti 16GB over a 256 bit bus. The 70 series are particularly bad because they have low bandwidth in addition to capacity, so they lose a disproportionate amount of performance at 4K resolution.
Yes, 192-bit bus blocks 4070ti and 3080ti surpasses 4070ti in 4k. In 1080 and 1440 4070ti is better than 3090ti but 4k... nvidia f*cked the potential up. If this thing could have 256-bit then best amperes wouldn't have any chances in 4k.
Ampere vs RDNA 2 will likely be a refresh of how Kepler aged vs GCN. While initially having better performance much of the time, Kepler had very lackluster VRAM capacity on most skus, while the GCN cards of the period had more VRAM at most price points.
The 4080 would've had to have been using AD102 (same die as 4090) but cut down to the 320bit bus. AD103 only had a 256Gb bus. Completely agree with you there though, it wouldn't surprise me if a 4080Ti is 20GB on further cut down AD102 with around ~13k CUDA cores.
Video idea, "Dawid shows us how to increase the vram on our gpu". This is an interesting topic, because most of nvidia users are stuck with a low amount of vram. This "solution" could save us a lot of money and at the same time send a message to nvidia.
This card would be amazing for AI art generation, which doesn't care too much about speed of the card, but the size and detail of the art highly depends on having a lot of VRAM.
Reason the performance boost is not massive is that the extra gb per module is only running at half speed, it works like that on all 2gb modules from what i understand.
2gb works the same as 1gb module. He's not the first one who did this mod. The reason why a performance boost is not massive is because he doesn't know how to test it. Watch Hardware unboxed the channel for proper tests VRAM issue.
This The workloads are almost as if specifically choosen to somehow make it seem like Nvidia isn’t selling complete e-waste I normally trust this channel but this wasn’t a good demonstration of benching for vram heavy loads but a certain selection of older titles that don’t reflect the current and especially not the market of the foreseeable future
@@pfizerpricehike9747 He is just trying to make a fun video, you need to be testing for 1% low to really see the difference and he never does this kind of in dept benchmarking.
So basically the card should not bother with 16gb because it cant run virtually any games at a high enough FPS to justify using it in the first place. I expected as much. The only games that do utilize the 16gb are optimized messes that make no difference in the first place. Glad to see Nvidia is learning to stop over utilizing Vram in their cards. Now it just needs to get the damn prices down enough that I can justify replacing my 2060 super.
I personally just got a 2060 Super, and I see no reason to upgrade from it in the future, since current cards still arent really that great of an upgrade :\
@@Foggy404 Yep, 2060 super is more than enough for max 1080p gameplay. I wish I could justify upgrading but until I can get a GPU for $400 that is at least twice as powerful as my 2060 super then its just not worth it. I got an UWHD so I often have to knock down settings to lowest just to handle 100 fps on my 3k monitor. Pretty annoying but it was still worth the purchase.
He didn't cover the 1% and 0.1% lows and the possible stuttering that would be caused by a lack of vram especially when it starts using ram to supplement it.
It makes sense that when you run out of VRAM, textures and such will be pushed to system RAM. So, when the games that could make use of the extra VRAM saw it there, that is where all the extra stuff needed was put and taking far more load off the rest of the system. And, the VRAM was able to fill up because the GPU could only do so much with a lot of the later games it struggled with.
I wasted 7 minutes, then he swaped the card to the 3070 8gb, and start benchmarks again, with GTA V being the first, that was the moment when I wrote my coment, the most vram hungry games was inluded long after the card swap, at that point will just lose the viewership of the video
Warzone 2.0 map also eats even more than 16gb VRAM on 1440p. The differences are easier to spot while moving around the map more when the new location needs to be loud again and from VRAM is way faster.
regardless of the amount of VRAM, a 3070 still a 3070 so it's obvious you're not going to see huge changes in games that are not demanding more VRAM and bandwidth so BUY PERFORMANCE, DONT BUY VRAM.
Unless you realize that games, and playing them on monitors with higher resolutions, requires more and more VRAM, in which case, buy cards with more VRAM and save yourself the frustration of paying to play ugly, low texture quality, VRAM limited stutter-fests.
@@wargamingrefugee9065 no one buys a 3070 for 4k gaming. And "reserving" for non-open world's games more than 8GB for 1080p is just a joke from the developers to get you force to go buy a new GPU.
@dawid the reason the 16gb card is allocating/using less RAM than the 8gb VRAM card is because when a game runs out of VRAM to pull from, it’ll also start pulling from the slower system RAM to compensate hence higher RAM usage. At that point you will notice some textures may load slower or textures will start loading in at lower resolution, stutters, low fps or maybe all the above in bad cases. It’s not necessarily frame rate here. The point of more VRAM is so that the game CAN run higher res textures all the time before/if it hits its limit and starts loading in dog poop textures. Of course if you aren’t even looking closely you may not notice. Basically at 8gb, games using 7-8gb with higher RAM usage may already be loading in low res textures and texture pop ins without you even noticing. It doesn’t matter if you put the textures on ultra, the game will load in lower res textures if the VRAM won’t allow it to keep up. It basically attempts to load ultra as many places it can, but filters in lower quality ones elsewhere Just wanted to state the reason for the card thanks!
The initial point of AGP was giving the card faster access to the system memory (when cards memory was often slower than computer memory, and much less plentifull). This was extended into PCIe. It still allows the card to use more memory than it actually has on board albeit slower than onboard. This hinders performance as memory on boards (716 Megabit/s on a 256bit wide RTX 4080 memory bus) have surpassed the PCIe interface speed (40 Megabit/s for PCIe x16). If the card has available memory for new textures when you turn down the "wrong street" in the game it should quickly prepare by swapping out the textures in local memory before they are needed so as to not cause stutter. If it is already utilizing too much of it's memory this becomes impossible and stutter may occur as textures are accessed from system memory. It can also be poor coding/confusion making the card run with textures from the system memory and thus take a big performance hit.
There is a video on someone upgrading his RX 480 from 4 GB to 8 GB. Someone also pointed out it would also be possible to do 16 GB as there are mining cards with that amount.
I'm picturing a would where Louis Rossman starts offering having his shop retrofit 3060Ti through 3080Ti's with the larger capacity RAM if the vbioses would play nicely... I'd like to see an Asus or EVGA done. Preferably mine. Good work Dawid, see if the fella who lent it to you would send it to GN or HUB, I'm sure they'd love to run it!
I would actually pay money to have that done to my 3070ti. I recently found out that running large language models locally is quite demanding on VRAM and it will be the reason why I upgrade my GPU
That's interesting, how does the GPU core usage look? If it's lighter than the 3070 Ti can provide you have options in older Vega cards that are now getting pretty cheap; the MI 25 will give you 16GB of HBM2 with a bandwidth of 483GB/s or the VII would get you 16gb at a whopping 1TB/s
It all depends of engine, but when there is not enough VRAM, data is stored in RAM, games don't need all allocated VRAM to generate every frame, but they store extra data that can be used soon, using it from VRAM is faster, if suddenly you need data that is stored in RAM it can lead to small stutter until data from RAM move to VRAM.
Technically, Nvidia restricting what partners can do is illegal and through long and expensive lawsuit, it would ruled against them. Deeming Nvidia not as GPU manufacturer, but as GPU die designer. That would mean that GPU manufacturers can't have a direct say in what others can or cannot do with their chips.
I recommend using VR for VRAM tests, it REALLY fluctuates in FPS with VR games because of the higher resolution lenses, Latency, game engine limits and also just generally better graphics and more demand
Genuinely didn't expect the drivers to be that chill about it. That's actually wild. Makes me want to try and upgrade this cheap 710 i have, just to see if I could
Would have been interesting seeing how well it performed in other than just games, like Blender or Premiere Pro. It's the only reason why I'm opting for Nvidia.
for me having more ram on the GPU is not only about gaming but about 3D programs. I'm a texture artist and having more ram is essential if you want to work flowless and having more heavy scene :)
8:59 it’s no secret that with limited VRAM, if the process needs more, then the necessary is taken from "Free RAM". Therefore, it is better to buy more RAM for the 3070. At least at 64GB I didn't run out of RAM.
You were quite critical of your Dell Nvidia 3070. I have found that despite its rather utilitarian look, in benchmarks, mine was actually very competitive with other versions listed on the benchmark website. (That is providing it was not used in the Dell XPS 8940 that it came in! The XPS 8940 was not one of their finest products which for a Dell prebuilt ....)
BGA microsoldering is no joke. I took a weeklong course with one of the best shops in the country, and found out that my hands aren't steady enough. That was a big job. Respect.
using your hands to do microsoldering wth lol
I'd love to learn how to solder in general. No good courses near me afaik.
The guys who first did this mod is accepting orders here in Brazil haha
@@v1n1c1u55anto5 cool how much
Hey, that's my card! Sold it to Spiderweeb, he didn't tell me anything about what he planned on doing with it and randomly sent me screenshot of GPU-Z with 16GB VRAM visible a few weeks later... I didn't even notice it at first!
Lol dawid refers to it as 16 "Gb" vram
@@burhanuddinhaiderdivide by 8 error
Do you know if Spiderweeb would be willing to do the same thing to more 3070s for a fee? He did an awesome job and I'd like to do the same thing to my RTX 3070.
Yes, I want, I want! I have a 3060Ti, but maybe 🥲?
@@NextEevolution not sure, he's not the one who modded it. I sold it to him and he shipped it to someone else to mod it. I can ask, but it'd probably be something like $150 after labor. Not worth it unless you want a cool one off card
Finally a GPU that has a reasonable amount of VRAM that NVIDIA decides to not give us
It didn't change performance at all.
3070/Ti = planned obsolescence.
@@Rokomarn well because it depends on the game it would be a major difference on recently released games that had the vram issue and maybe upcoming triple AAA games?
@@alanchen7757 Yeah just until the games get patched.
@@Rokomarn man, you NVIDIA apologists exist everywhere.
now a 3080 with 20GB soldered onto it would be EPIC because a 3080 is fast enough to get some nice use out of 20GB.
That is called the 3090.
I think there's a variant of the 3080 with 20GB
@@bootchoo96 It was planned but never released. Since everyone bought 3080 10GB like crazy from 2020-22. Why bother putting more ram when less ram card is selling like this.
Yeah it’s a bit of a shame. I have the 3080 10gb version and it would really benefit from some extra vram. Not planning to upgrade it for a little while still though. That thing runs stuff fast enough but sometimes that vram limit is a bit of an annoying bottleneck. It wasn’t necessary. Especially painful since some of the lower end cards got way more vram, even if it’s slower.
Maybe when they release the 50 series I’ll look into it again but I’m doubtful that I’ll upgrade then too. Had a 1070 before I got the 3080 but the 80 series should last me a bit longer. Also no real reason to upgrade yet.
@@Richdadful the cynic in me thinks it’s because Ngreedia didn’t want another repeat of the 1080ti.
Dang, I really wish this existed. While I have had no issues in the VRAM department it would be nice to have the extra headroom for the future
with how shit almost all new game releases are i will probably never in my life will have to replace my 1080 ti
you might have more issues than you realize, some games really gobble up vram. my 3080 10gb gets choked by it pretty bad in a few games
🌈Planned Obsolescence🌈
@@bradhaines3142 you try Diablo 4 yet? I saw a lot of people complaining about running out of VRAM, stuttering etc on 1440p high with the rtx 3080.
Hell even 1080p ultrawide high was too much for either of my 8gb GPUs. It's a shame since the game has excellent textures and otherwise good performance.
@@bradhaines3142 I don’t have anything noticeable, I’m still gaming in 1920x1080 until I upgrade monitors at least. Prob will be a little tougher in 1440 tho but I could also just be what I’m playing.
I remember doing a similar mod for somebody back in the day. 22GB 2080ti mod was quite the sight to see. I've also done 12GB 1080tis because they used the same PCB as the Titan Xp but just didn't solder a chip down. Flashed Titan Vbios and it just became one after that. The 2080ti was an interesting one, because it was in for VRM repair, but I had the GDDR in stock for another GPU and offered to try it out for just the cost of the parts. Client said "hell yes do that" and now there's like 3 of them in existence that I've made.
How much would such a mod have costed?
Can it be done with the 3060 Ti I mean 16GB ?
@lhacene le roux Physically, yes. The 3060ti has 8x 1GB right now. 8x 2GB would be the same mod as here. I don't know how the vbios and driver would react, though, but probably very similar to this card.
@@bobnope457 I don't remember exactly, but I would throw out an estimate of $300 + the GDDR cost to do it again for another 2080ti.
I thought the 1080tis had the extra memory channel fused off at the core
In my experience, when VRAM runs out and stuff has to be loaded into system RAM instead, you might not necessarily notice a change in the average framerate, but you'll be more likely to encounter frequent stutters which can be very jarring.
my gpu ony ha 4 gigs of vram and it needed 10 so six gigs of ram were used and it was the stutteriest thing ever
Crap
Is that what happens then?
@@Jbeam957 I mean, the stutter is more likely because your 4gb card is at least 5 years old and a minimum tier product lol
@roji556 yeah, probably, got a new pc a few months ago with a 4060, seems to have solved the problem lol
FYI, many games will smartly adjust their LOD distances to dynamically reduce actual RAM needs to meet your card's capabilities.
yup but the new releases (hogwarts, TLOS, RE4) look and run so bad on 8g variants even on 1080p
@@bryanlim1249 to smartly adjust LOD you need a smartly designed game
@@denvera1g1 sigh we can dream
Yep, or just lower the texture quality automatically like we've seen with some games like Forspoken. So gamers with a GPU that lacks VRAM may be tricked into thinking they're actually getting ultra 😂
Laughs in tarkov
What VRAM should look like on Nvidia cards:
50 series = 8Gb/12Gb
60 series = 12Gb/16Gb
70 series = 12Gb/16Gb
80 series = 16Gb/24Gb
90 series = 24Gb
50 can't take advantage of 6 GB. it's low budget for ultra slim devices. it's slow
60 can't take advantage of 8 GB. it's budget for slim devices/light devices (like Zenbooks, Proart) and university workloads (3D renders, CUDA, editing)
70 is just at the sweetspot for 12 GB. it's an entry card for advanced AI models, excellent CUDA, cache optimization. also just fast enough to run Hellblade 2/BMW at maximum settings in 4K. (my bottleneck is the VRAM since i use the mobile 4070)
80 is just the premium for gaming. you don't need more. 16 GB is enough for any game for 3-6 years more. VRAM will not be a bottleneck for a 16 GB card since 4K is still not the mainstream
90 is the Titan model. you buy it only if you make content or just have money to spend. mainly used for large AI models, editing, rendering.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 what do you mean 50 and 60 can't take advantage of more vram? you know not everybody can afford 70, 80, 90 series cards, so someone may buy a 3050 for rendering in blender, where more vram certainly helps. with the constant increase of unoptimized AAA games, more vram is always useful, and someone may absolutely need more than 16GB on a high end expensive card, i highly doubt that more than 16GB can't help in 4k AAA games on high settings. here it kinda sounds like you're defending nvidia for purposely making budget cards shittier than needed just to force people into buying more expensive cards, some of the trade-offs they make in budget cards straight up make 0 sense, for example in some cards they have versions with less and more vram, but they don't only change the vram, but also the memory bandwidth and bus, completely changing the performance of the card, like in the 3060 8GB, and 3050 6GB, while still selling them for a similar price. that is just straight up greed. this is also why i still have a 3060 12GB, because it's just enough to cope with modern games on medium-high settings 1080p, and the 40 series version has such a small difference that it's just not worth it when on a budget, plus the 4060 doesn't have a 12GB variant.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 60 series cards have 8gb or more now, and for 1080p or even 1440p gaming they are great
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 My 3060 12gb frequently takes advantage of more than 8gb at 1440p.
At this point Dawid should just spell out “Thiddy” in the title
Fun fact :
The warranty seal is come from one of local distributor in Indonesia. The distributor name called DTG which distribute corsair and gainward here.
dang so this jank gpu really came from Indonesia lol
Thanks!
Finally a GPU that can utilize its full performance!
Edit: Even though some may argue that the performance difference is small. It will sure help in the future.
Yes, 8gb is blocking this beast!
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Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
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@@bobfranklin2572 🤓
@@jugee8 hi Jugee8, Bob Franklin here.
Just politely informing you that snide and/or sarcastic use of Emoji are forbidden under TH-cam Guidelines, and may constitute harassment if this heinous behaviour doesn't cease immediately. Your use of the '🤓' emoji has left me truly shaken and distraught.
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@@bobfranklin2572 Hey wait a minute... you stole my lunch lemon! I was going to eat that lemon!
Bro i always knew this was a thing that could be done im happy its becoming more of a common practice even tho we shouldn’t have to
Is the issue more pop in, and textures not loading correctly? That seemed to be the focus of the HWUB video at least. Would be interesting to see how textures performed. I imagine the reason the games are still running comparatively well on both cards, even when the 16 GB is pulling more textures, is because the textures aren't loading correctly on the 8 GB.
now i want to see someone make a 16gb 1660 ti just to see how well it would run.
bascially the same
For Science.
Man, if someone makes a 80gb gt210, I'll be happy 🙂
16gb wouldn't be possible on that because it uses a 192 bit bus (that uses 6 memory modules, and 6 cannot multiply into 16 properly), the next closest thing would be 12gb. You can traditionally only half or double the memory capacity, and this is also why the 3060 has 12gb of VRAM on its 192 bit bus (6x 2gb memory modules) while the 3060 Ti only has 8gb but has a 256 bit bus (8x 1gb memory modules).
@@yasu_red alr then. We need a 24gb 1660ti. Assuming 4gb gddrwhatever modules exist
The performance uplift now may not be much, but as newer titles roll in like a year from now, the 16 gigs will seem necessary
This is just marketing… the 8 gig cards will work fine hell there will be people playing on 4 and 6 gig cards at 1080p for years still.
Adjusting shadow textures alone can be all you have to do to play any of the memory leaking recent poorly optimized ports to work.
Digital foundry did a good example of RE4 showing this.
For sure more Vram is better but at a certain point it isn’t going to increase actual gaming performances due to raw rasterization performance limits.
The weaker mid tier last gen cards aren’t going to be better if they all had 16 gigs of Vram this video proved that clearly.
This has been mainly a marketing campaign AMD have been pushing due to the only thing they can call a win over a nvidia is they give you 4 extra gigs of vram per tier.
They don’t win in raw Rasterization, Ray tracing , DLSS, power effeciency , actual real world gaming benchmarks, have No Cuda support, Broadcast, Nvenc, no Machine learning/Deep learning API support….
Basically the only thing AMD offers is 20% cheaper raw rasterization per sku and a extra 4 gigs of Vram 99% of people will never utilize or know the difference.
It’s no accident every AMD TH-cam marketing channel for 2 months straight have mentioned Vram constantly.
Before the 4070 was released it was constant rumors it would only have 8gigs for a month it was going to be dead on arrival due to only having 8gigs.
It is finally released has 12 gigs and then the subject turns instantly to 12gigs isn’t enough it should of had 16gigs to be FUTUREPROOF…
Haha I think it’s funny to watch the out in the open marketing campaign as 2 recent AMD sponsored titles are released Last of Us and RE4 and both have a Vram leakage problem at the exact same time every TH-camr instantly starts claiming 8gig cards are obsolete..
little to on the nose 👃..
@@JoeWayne84 16 or more gigs of VRAM is great (and needed) for one thing only. Heavily modding Skyrims textures lol.
@@JoeWayne84 Iv had an Nvidia card in the past and if it had more vram, it would have lasted much longer for me, altho 8 gigs is enough now, in the future it won't and the vram will be a bottleneck to the GPU, just like it did to my gtx 970. Plus I doubt like half of the tech TH-camrs I watch are "amd marketing channels", and witch brand you buy of gpu's is purely personal preference right now, I don't care about Nvidia's better features that much (at least not enough to spend the same one a 3060 8 gig than a 6700xt, and I'd imagine that's what most of these "and marketing TH-camrs" are thinking), but I do care about longevity, making amd a much better deal for me.
@@georgejenson7402 you really don’t think these tech TH-camrs who are given free hardware by AMD aren’t told what to say???
I think that’s a little naive they might not tell them in writing but I’m sure they have a sales rep are someone who contacts the bigger channels and tells them what to set as the next talking point. It would be naive to think they don’t influence the narrative at all when they are giving these channels tens of thousands of dollars of samples a year.
As far as the small channels they instantly bite on whatever was said negative about Nvidia and make endless copycat content with zero substance just repeating rumors mainly. There just hoping to surf into having a viable TH-cam channel by telling people what they want to hear.
There is a very large TH-cam community of AMD fanboys there are channels with 200k subscribers who make ridiculous AMD fanboy content.
Moores law not a apple guy ufd etc a lot of these channels made some garbage fanboy content to grow those channels and it worked great for them … fair game haha.
There seems to be a unified repeat of one topic every two or three months the only thing they always have in common is they are pro AMD.
If you paid attention to the TH-cam pc hardware channels the last year it was the 4090 is going to be released soon and your going to have to install a seperate breaker in your house for it.
No way will your 800 watt psu be able to run this thing it’s going to be the most power hungry card ever released.
Then it released and it’s forget we ever mentioned that excess power guys but damn this new plug Nvidia is using is causing melting GPUs oh my god a month of video after video of don’t buy Nvidia there cards are fire hazards ( thankfully gamers nexus one of the least bias channels by far showed you had to have the gpu half unplugged and run artificial benchmarks to cause a issue.).
Then it was display port 2.0 … the rtx40 series didn’t put display port 2.0 on there cards they are ripping people off. Don’t buy a Nvidia card because you won’t be able to use modern monitors. Wait for the new RDNA cards and they will have the new display port.
Only problem is there still isn’t a monitor produced are announced to be in production with display port2.0 …
So again it’s a nothing burger.
Hdmi 2.0 won the format war.
Now it’s there isn’t enough vram and 8gigs isn’t enough for 1440p gaming.
That’s just silly you can always adjust your texture setting to use less vram most cards that have 8gigs your going to be lowering setting anyway trying to get higher framerates , but we had two AMD sponsored ports released at same time that clearly have a leak in the games Vram even in settings the game uses more than it should.
And these games will be patched and corrected but it further makes the cheap AMD cards that have 4 extra gigs always look like better cards than they actually are. Oddly at a time AMD has hundreds of thousands of those last gen GPUS sitting in warehouse wishing someone would buy them at a bargain price.??? You really think there isn’t any market manipulation?
AMD GPUs aren’t sold to creatives and non gamers Just gamers only so they take the TH-cam marketing very seriously and have done an amazing job.
Like I said there is only one thing in common these common topics they always benefit AMD ,
AMD just had processors melting in motherboard’s barely any coverage,
Are the RX7900 cards still have 85 watt idle power draw and won’t work with multi monitor setups with different resolution and some ultrawides..
not a peep.
Hell the first 7900 oem cards had faulty coolers. Basically gamers nexus are Debaur cover the issues and that’s about it.
There isn’t the same string of 10 new small TH-camrs making the same talking point video because they know it’s against the marketing money that they want to get there hands in.
And they know the TH-cam fanbase is mostly made up of people who can’t afford a high end gaming PC but people who would love to have a high end gaming PC. And one thing those people who have to settle with second best always do is they over compensate with brand loyalty as if they have to validate there purchase to themselves by being a AMD fanboy on TH-cam.
I think it’s amazing though I’ve semi paid attention with the youtube tech space since the start of Ryzen 1000 series and the way TH-camrs pushed slower worse CPUs on there own viewers till basically ryzen 5000 anyone who bought a ryzen PC before 5000 series was delusional oh I need the 16 core part haha now the 7800x3d is out and it’s fuck a 13900k are 7950x3d , 8 cores is plenty haha.
Seriously watching the marketing sale the ryzen systems in the beginning was amazing those systems were barely on par with fucking haswell haha.
@@moltisthebest1416 are y’all dumb you can clearly see it start to lack in newer games like re4
I'm not gonna be surprised if this card was from Indonesia. If you see the warranty sticker, that's DTG, which is Gainward distributor in here
Try testing the card in rendering tests/ workloads that take advantage of extra VRAM! It'd be interesting to see programs take actual advantage of the upgrade.
I want one for DAZ 3D CGI rendering! I don't care about speed.I NEED THAT MEMORY
This is why i hate those comments saying that "my 3060 12gb will last longer than 3070". It dosent matter if you have 12gb of vram if the core cant run any games that fully utilize that amount of memory.
This is cool. I wanted to do something like that with my Nintendo Switch but I realise probably most games won't use more RAM anyway so might not be worth the cost.
And the Nintendo lawyers
There's only one way to find out.
The bigger potential lies in overclocking the Switch. It has a lot of headroom there
@@jemandetwas1 I am overclocking the CPU, GPU and even RAM. Helps with framerates and stutters, but the Switch feels warmer and the battery runs shorter.
@@jemandetwas1 Not in the memory. If a game is RAM limited you can't do anything about it because the frequency is already as high as it can go.
most of the times you didn't notice a difference were because you weren't moving. lack of memory gets accentuated when asset swapping, if you stop moving no asset gets swapped and the card "stabilizes". if you start moving, the 8gb card still stutter like mad, lose performance and overall deliver an unplayable experience when the game doesn't handle the handicap properly... like control does. it was basically running at much lower graphics settings on the 8gb version to save memory
I wonder what the limit is. Can you make yourself a killer machine learning card, bumping up to 32 gb or something?
thanks for testing, dawid.
so the tldr version is: the whole "if your settings exceed your card's vram, your game gets massive frame drops or will crash or textures wont load properly at all" is a MYTH perpetuated by channels like hardware unboxed and 8:48 proves it.
Hardware unboxed used early builds of tlou and hogwarts legacy as "proof" of textures not loading but those games have received patches now. So the games were faulty, not the vram overflow.
yes the framegraph will be a bit more stuttery (9:53) but this silly notion that 8GB cards are DOA now and people who bought an 8GB card last year that can still run modern games due to having reasonably powerful rasterization just had their cards thanos'd in 2023 and should go back to the store and get a 12GB or 16GB card or be forced to crank their settings all the way to low or medium is a myth.
if you have a 16GB card, it just means the game will load up more into its vram. if the game can't, cause you have less vram, it will use more system ram and you may get a bit lower fps and a bit more stuttery framegraph, but nothing game breaking if the game has been patched properly instead of being a brand new buggy port running on console 16GB vram architecture.
Too bad Hogward was not tested. Was hoping to see those 3 FPS 1440p with RT on with the 8 gb card 😢 from Dawid's perspective.
Awesome video! I'd like to see more from this card tested!
I think 1% and 0.1% lows probably would have told more of the story? Especially when Tarkov would load from normal RAM to VRAM for example. Fun video though!
Test any bad PC port from the last year, they all use obscene amounts of VRAM without noticeably improving textures! It's quite the achievement
I wish board partner had the ability to add more vram
The games use a config file to determine how to use the video card so you have to modify the config file to tell the game you are using another card that has 16gb ram by default in it.
Super cool. I have rhe 3080 10GB and while I mostly game at 1440P and it still crushes at that resolution, I can't help but to think how legendary the card would've been with 16gb of Vram.
I think a lot of the issue with testing existing older games is that they were designed with 8GB cards being the norm for high-ish end, so they could only really use 8GB of ram before the game is labeled as "unoptimized"
I have that exact GPU just with the PNY stickers on the fans. I remember when the 3070 was leaked with the 16GB variant and then they canceled it before it released, I complained about it and I got so many negative responses as if I was being unreasonable asking for that much (despite it being very obvious with the consoles set to give their games access to 10-12GB of their shared GDDR6). A couple years later I was proven 100% correct when 8GB cards started commonly running into issues with the biggest games (the new Resident Evil for example, I saw cases where the game would just instantly crash if you raised the texture setting above the lowest).
One thing you have to realize in your testing, is that in many games openly lie about how much VRAM they're using. It might SAY 7GB of a 8GB card (leading you to believe you have 1 whole GB of extra headroom), but what it's actually doing is caching more and constantly swapping it in and out of the VRAM which severely harms performance AND frametimes AND load stuttering (and sometimes visible texture pop-in or stuck LODs as well), so it's only when you are very far clear of your max, say 7gb out of 12 or 16gb max, that you will avoid those performance issues and the game will actually be honest about how much it intends to use.
8:57 Yeah I think that if you click on GPU in task manager the "shared memory" is the amount of system RAM that your video card can borrow. My 3080 shows it as having 15.9 GB of shared memory which is basically half of my RAM. The system RAM is crazy slow compared to the GPU memory but it's better than running out of memory.
Being able to do this to my 3060ti would be sweet for future proofness
it does seem arse about face to have the none ti version to have more vram
its doable , 3060ti has the same pcb as 3070 .
Why would anyone use rtx 3060ti for anything above 1080p in really demanding games? 8 gigs are fine 1080p.
@@PrashantMishra-kh1xt I have a 3060 t. I and can reach 60 fps 4K close to ultra on a lot of games. I've ran into Vram limits though so to say it doesn't matter is incorrect.
Id be interested to see how well tbis card could do in Microsoft Flight Sim in VR mode 8gb versus 16gb. VR needs to render the image for two different eyes seperately so it might get a noticable bump...
Would it make a difference though? Granted, I have no idea what VRAM actually does, but it renders 2 only slightly different images, so would it really need more resources in VRAM? I'd expect a larger render distance or bigger FOV to have more of an effect.
But again, idk what VRAM does sooooooo...
As someone who runs a 3070 that constantly runs OUT of VRAM because of VR games, yes. It would make a big difference. Not to mention video editing, rendering and general VFX usage.
lol I should've just kept that shit to myself huh...
That might be the most wrong I've been all year.
@@soty9107 Right - on my 3070 with 8GB, just launching Half Life Alyx I get a memory low warning.
Ah yes, the card that can actually counter the mistakes of modern game developers
Only till Unreal Engine 5 games begin releasing then even 16gb won't be enough.
@@logandeathrage6945? Don't we have dead island 2 which is on UE5 or is it still on UE4
0:03 hey shoe stains are better than the complete destruction of fed ex and ups
Do you think the drivers for the 3070 weren't optimized to utilize the extra video memory? I know it said it was using more and in resident evil we saw quite a better frame rate but I'm wondering how much better it would run if the drivers supported it.
This makes me really want to mod a 3090 to 48GB, to essentially give me a $6k Quadro A6000.
Overall discount isn’t that much in the end I bet, but definitely funny.
You make my day with your videos
3:43 "hmgay"
This is an amazing video. I have an rtx 3060 laptop and I was wondering a lot if I could sometime in the future solder more vram and this video really made me think that it could actually be possible. Please try to find more stuff like this.
Bro it wont matter. If you got a normal pc with the same laptop specs you would get double fps. Gaming laptops are horrible and they make them small so thermal throttle happens and they put power settings on some of the gpus depending on the laptop brand so for my advice i would 100% sell that laptop and invest in a tower. I was in the same situation as you i had everything on max power and still wasnt sastified with the performance and it would sound like a jet engine.
Also this video isnt a really good way to show the performance of the extra vram. Vram has higher or slower speeds depending on the chips and from what i understand not even this gpus vram in the video runs itself at 100% more like 50%
@@AT4LAS I am pretty satisfied with the performance of my 3060 laptop. One of many examples where I would like more vram would be in fh5. In this game I can't turn textures to ultra. I play the game with ultra preset 1440p but textures turned to high/medium and I get 75-90 fps depending on the scene mostly around 85 or so in the open world but when I turn utra textures the game pops up a message saying there is not enough vram and I get around 60 fps with some stutters.
I am sure if this card would have had 8 gb it would have been fine.
I've been wondering the same. Laptop modding is pretty rare though, theoretically there's no reason why these same 2GB modules couldn't be used though.
@@AT4LASblah blah blah, unless you're gonna buy him a desktop, shut up.
@@chistinelane u mad bro? 🤣
9:00 That's because the 8Gb card doesn't have enough Vram to produce the same textures as the 16Gb.
The computer will use your normal DDR RAM to store those textures but it is way slower at doing it than VRam.
Nvidia i swear sometimes they under perform some their gpu's to make amd seem like a good choice when they know they are holding more than 60% of the market Nvidia I'm not hating but seriously let the next gen of gpu's have more and I mean more that 24gigs of ram and a wider memory bus (no one please take this as hate)
that unsatisfying blade opening at the beginning of the video and to dawid's surprise, its held together with the impossible to rip bond sticky crap between cardboard xD
All the cards are capable of having/using more vram. For some reason Nvidia decided to push this ray trace crap but still gimp their cards in what seems like a ploy to force gamers to waste more money on higher tier cards for triple the price. I like the idea of this frankencard but it is sketchy and too many things need to be done to get stability. Cool idea but I will stick to the rx 6950 xt and deal with the amd driver headaches.
Just wait until the refine the cracked vbios'. It'll definitely work perfectly then
@@Weneedaplague They'd also need cracked/modded drivers, after all RAM usage can be blocked on that level as well.
I've always been more of the opinion that on the lower end cards, the hardware is meant to be used more for DLSS than RT.
What driver headaches? I haven't got any with my 6700 XT.
@@RuruFIN Undervolting and heating issues(random spikes, not sustained overheating) and it hated windows 11. All minor headaches and in the grand scheme of Ngreedia, nothing I even consider an issue now. The 6700xt is a sweet sweet 1440p gpu. It should be the absolute minimum gamers are using. Even nvidia cant seem to sort themselves out with getting 12gb vram on cards.
finally, seeing you benchmark new games is a blessing
Dude seriously. About time 😂
Imagine a 32GB card for sub-800$ in the next 5 years
You meant 10 years?
@@Eastereagle 10 years if Nvidia keeps up the game they are doing right now 😂
A NVIDIA card for sub-800 in the next 5 years? that's optimism
Nvidia keeps screwing their customers with these high (profit) prices - they won't be around in 10 years.
We should be hoping for competition for the future
I had a friends dad make my 6gb 1660 super to 8gb, my online mates never believed me untill i streamed my specs from various programs.
It's incredible how far system RAM has come.
As you pointed out, the system with the 8GB 3070 uses more RAM than the 16GB 3070. All of that is information dumped from the GPU to the systems memory. There are frame drops on Escape from Tarkov and The Last Of Us but I image them to be much more noticable on older systems with DDR4 or DDR3.
doom eternal with 4k, rt on, and the texture pool size set to nightmare or ultra nightmare should do the trick. I struggled a lot with getting decent performance with my 3070 with these settings so I had to switch the texture pool size to high to fix the issue and have a stable frame rate
hmmm DTG from my country kah ?
1:30 In the USA your warranty can only be void if the aftermarket replacement parts you used were the cause of the damage.
You cant deny a claim for a defect on the power rails that eventually lead to a short on one of the 8 pin power solder joints because you used aftermarket thermal paste
Thank you for this video, I've never felt better about buying a 6800xt over a 3070 than I do now.
The 6800 XT was always a significantly faster card though anyways
@@ShogoKawada123 yeah it was a 3080 competitior even the 6800 non xt is faster than a 3070 ti
@@ShogoKawada123 That's true but when I bought it they were the same price, so those were my options.
Its interesting that the market is literally pushing the consumers to buy higher vrams when they can make game more optimized.
I love this kind of stuff. Such tech savviness on this level is just awesome. Screw the corporations who screw us.
the extra vram would be a huge boost for 3d rendering (not always in terms of speed but sometimes if the vram isn't enough, blender either crashes or turns to system ram, which increases the render time by up to 3 or 4 times)
Even this generation is pathetic with VRAM. The RTX 3080 had a 320 bit memory bus, so IMO they really should have made the 4080 a 320 bit card with 20GB (similar to the 7900 XT), and given the 4070 and 4070 Ti 16GB over a 256 bit bus. The 70 series are particularly bad because they have low bandwidth in addition to capacity, so they lose a disproportionate amount of performance at 4K resolution.
Yes, 192-bit bus blocks 4070ti and 3080ti surpasses 4070ti in 4k. In 1080 and 1440 4070ti is better than 3090ti but 4k... nvidia f*cked the potential up. If this thing could have 256-bit then best amperes wouldn't have any chances in 4k.
Ampere vs RDNA 2 will likely be a refresh of how Kepler aged vs GCN. While initially having better performance much of the time, Kepler had very lackluster VRAM capacity on most skus, while the GCN cards of the period had more VRAM at most price points.
@@iamrubinot42 If you want to play 4K just OC the memory you'll get 576 GB/s bandwidth (same as the RX 6950 XT)
The 4080 would've had to have been using AD102 (same die as 4090) but cut down to the 320bit bus. AD103 only had a 256Gb bus. Completely agree with you there though, it wouldn't surprise me if a 4080Ti is 20GB on further cut down AD102 with around ~13k CUDA cores.
@@2intheampm512 4080ti could be banger actually, but... will they release it?
Video idea, "Dawid shows us how to increase the vram on our gpu".
This is an interesting topic, because most of nvidia users are stuck with a low amount of vram.
This "solution" could save us a lot of money and at the same time send a message to nvidia.
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1:59 RAM uses BGA soldering, you need a special soldering station, not just an iron
This card would be amazing for AI art generation, which doesn't care too much about speed of the card, but the size and detail of the art highly depends on having a lot of VRAM.
Tech who added the memory should have used some capton tape or at least some aluminum foil to protect that connector from the hot air station.
Reason the performance boost is not massive is that the extra gb per module is only running at half speed, it works like that on all 2gb modules from what i understand.
2gb works the same as 1gb module. He's not the first one who did this mod.
The reason why a performance boost is not massive is because he doesn't know how to test it. Watch Hardware unboxed the channel for proper tests VRAM issue.
This
The workloads are almost as if specifically choosen to somehow make it seem like Nvidia isn’t selling complete e-waste
I normally trust this channel but this wasn’t a good demonstration of benching for vram heavy loads but a certain selection of older titles that don’t reflect the current and especially not the market of the foreseeable future
@@pfizerpricehike9747 He is just trying to make a fun video, you need to be testing for 1% low to really see the difference and he never does this kind of in dept benchmarking.
@@Anderson_LS good joke
I imagine you would see the greatest difference in VR performance, since that (from my experience) can be quite VRAM intensive.
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This would have been so cool! Great Video Dawid ❤❤❤
2 GB of video memory is not a lot. (16Gb = 2 GB)
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"they don't know I'm expert at it"
Like Nvidea would ever give us the right vram for each tier card anyway lol this is awesome
So basically the card should not bother with 16gb because it cant run virtually any games at a high enough FPS to justify using it in the first place. I expected as much. The only games that do utilize the 16gb are optimized messes that make no difference in the first place.
Glad to see Nvidia is learning to stop over utilizing Vram in their cards. Now it just needs to get the damn prices down enough that I can justify replacing my 2060 super.
I personally just got a 2060 Super, and I see no reason to upgrade from it in the future, since current cards still arent really that great of an upgrade :\
@@Foggy404 Yep, 2060 super is more than enough for max 1080p gameplay. I wish I could justify upgrading but until I can get a GPU for $400 that is at least twice as powerful as my 2060 super then its just not worth it. I got an UWHD so I often have to knock down settings to lowest just to handle 100 fps on my 3k monitor. Pretty annoying but it was still worth the purchase.
@@Heathensauce Maybe they'll make the newer cards cheaper soon? its all we can really hope for really :(
He didn't cover the 1% and 0.1% lows and the possible stuttering that would be caused by a lack of vram especially when it starts using ram to supplement it.
It makes sense that when you run out of VRAM, textures and such will be pushed to system RAM. So, when the games that could make use of the extra VRAM saw it there, that is where all the extra stuff needed was put and taking far more load off the rest of the system. And, the VRAM was able to fill up because the GPU could only do so much with a lot of the later games it struggled with.
Where is RES 4, The Last Of Us, Plague Requiem, Star Wars and many other games of 2023?, this video is pointless testing only old games
I agree, he gets a lot of good stuff, and focuses on gta 5 and battlefield 5 for some reason in every video (at least he tested TLOU)
A brazilian channel done the same mod and tested with RE4R
did u watch the video
I wasted 7 minutes, then he swaped the card to the 3070 8gb, and start benchmarks again, with GTA V being the first, that was the moment when I wrote my coment, the most vram hungry games was inluded long after the card swap, at that point will just lose the viewership of the video
TLOU works on 60fps high with 3070. 8gb is enaugh for mid range card. Some games would allocate more than 8gb but wont utilize it at once
Warzone 2.0 map also eats even more than 16gb VRAM on 1440p. The differences are easier to spot while moving around the map more when the new location needs to be loud again and from VRAM is way faster.
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Impressive! I would by that in a second. Also, love that "FG Quagmire" reference !! (2:38)
regardless of the amount of VRAM, a 3070 still a 3070 so it's obvious you're not going to see huge changes in games that are not demanding more VRAM and bandwidth so BUY PERFORMANCE, DONT BUY VRAM.
Unless you realize that games, and playing them on monitors with higher resolutions, requires more and more VRAM, in which case, buy cards with more VRAM and save yourself the frustration of paying to play ugly, low texture quality, VRAM limited stutter-fests.
@@wargamingrefugee9065 no one buys a 3070 for 4k gaming. And "reserving" for non-open world's games more than 8GB for 1080p is just a joke from the developers to get you force to go buy a new GPU.
@@Serpic nobody buy a xx70 with only 8gb.
@@1986Hikaru apparently a lot of ppl bought it, plus miners.
@@jeantechnoir7702 miners are subhuman
0:05 in the video and i already in tears hahaha, i love ur sense of humor.
@dawid the reason the 16gb card is allocating/using less RAM than the 8gb VRAM card is because when a game runs out of VRAM to pull from, it’ll also start pulling from the slower system RAM to compensate hence higher RAM usage. At that point you will notice some textures may load slower or textures will start loading in at lower resolution, stutters, low fps or maybe all the above in bad cases.
It’s not necessarily frame rate here. The point of more VRAM is so that the game CAN run higher res textures all the time before/if it hits its limit and starts loading in dog poop textures. Of course if you aren’t even looking closely you may not notice.
Basically at 8gb, games using 7-8gb with higher RAM usage may already be loading in low res textures and texture pop ins without you even noticing. It doesn’t matter if you put the textures on ultra, the game will load in lower res textures if the VRAM won’t allow it to keep up. It basically attempts to load ultra as many places it can, but filters in lower quality ones elsewhere
Just wanted to state the reason for the card thanks!
The initial point of AGP was giving the card faster access to the system memory (when cards memory was often slower than computer memory, and much less plentifull). This was extended into PCIe. It still allows the card to use more memory than it actually has on board albeit slower than onboard. This hinders performance as memory on boards (716 Megabit/s on a 256bit wide RTX 4080 memory bus) have surpassed the PCIe interface speed (40 Megabit/s for PCIe x16).
If the card has available memory for new textures when you turn down the "wrong street" in the game it should quickly prepare by swapping out the textures in local memory before they are needed so as to not cause stutter. If it is already utilizing too much of it's memory this becomes impossible and stutter may occur as textures are accessed from system memory. It can also be poor coding/confusion making the card run with textures from the system memory and thus take a big performance hit.
There is a video on someone upgrading his RX 480 from 4 GB to 8 GB. Someone also pointed out it would also be possible to do 16 GB as there are mining cards with that amount.
I'm picturing a would where Louis Rossman starts offering having his shop retrofit 3060Ti through 3080Ti's with the larger capacity RAM if the vbioses would play nicely... I'd like to see an Asus or EVGA done. Preferably mine. Good work Dawid, see if the fella who lent it to you would send it to GN or HUB, I'm sure they'd love to run it!
I would actually pay money to have that done to my 3070ti.
I recently found out that running large language models locally is quite demanding on VRAM and it will be the reason why I upgrade my GPU
That's interesting, how does the GPU core usage look? If it's lighter than the 3070 Ti can provide you have options in older Vega cards that are now getting pretty cheap; the MI 25 will give you 16GB of HBM2 with a bandwidth of 483GB/s or the VII would get you 16gb at a whopping 1TB/s
Spiderweeb with the 200IQ big brain move.
The skills on replacing the 8gb vram with 16gb vran modules was just the icing on the flex cake.
I like how "Normal voice Dawid" pops in at 2:09 to say Hello! 🤭
do you get sent 50 gpu,s a weak? its like one evry day
It all depends of engine, but when there is not enough VRAM, data is stored in RAM, games don't need all allocated VRAM to generate every frame, but they store extra data that can be used soon, using it from VRAM is faster, if suddenly you need data that is stored in RAM it can lead to small stutter until data from RAM move to VRAM.
Technically, Nvidia restricting what partners can do is illegal and through long and expensive lawsuit, it would ruled against them. Deeming Nvidia not as GPU manufacturer, but as GPU die designer. That would mean that GPU manufacturers can't have a direct say in what others can or cannot do with their chips.
that was the best video i saw in comparison between 8 and 16Gb vram gpu's
How would I go about getting my 3080 upgraded to 20GB...?
I recommend using VR for VRAM tests, it REALLY fluctuates in FPS with VR games because of the higher resolution lenses, Latency, game engine limits and also just generally better graphics and more demand
Genuinely didn't expect the drivers to be that chill about it. That's actually wild. Makes me want to try and upgrade this cheap 710 i have, just to see if I could
Would have been interesting seeing how well it performed in other than just games, like Blender or Premiere Pro. It's the only reason why I'm opting for Nvidia.
for me having more ram on the GPU is not only about gaming but about 3D programs. I'm a texture artist and having more ram is essential if you want to work flowless and having more heavy scene :)
6:28 Dawid out here committing crimes against humanity due to bad FPS LOL
How does the RTX 3070 compare to the RTX 4060 Ti ?? (both are priced at $400)
what a awesome card. get job showing what it will do. top notch there dawid
8:59 it’s no secret that with limited VRAM, if the process needs more, then the necessary is taken from "Free RAM". Therefore, it is better to buy more RAM for the 3070. At least at 64GB I didn't run out of RAM.
You were quite critical of your Dell Nvidia 3070. I have found that despite its rather utilitarian look, in benchmarks, mine was actually very competitive with other versions listed on the benchmark website. (That is providing it was not used in the Dell XPS 8940 that it came in! The XPS 8940 was not one of their finest products which for a Dell prebuilt ....)
thank you, i needed that sweet Dawid Fix. got me itchy here.