Has Aliexpress Motherboard Science Gone Too Far?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.พ. 2023
- This Aliexpress motherboard comes with laptop CPU soldered straight to the PCB and its surprisingly powerful for the price.
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Two things I'd like to note before I hit the benchmarks,
1- CMOS batteries are not included because Chinese customs can get super anal about it for no reason. Same reason amazon packages for battery powered things have the lithium warning label.
2- the bios setting for memory is under chipset, you have to manually set the maximum speed (auto is 2133) and then set XMP. It will run 3600c17 no issues though settings are rather confusing
Bonus- don't enable sleep mode, it's very broken
Dawid should do a round 2 testing with the proper RAM speed, that could fix the CPU bottleneck
@@mcslender2965 IDK if it would change much, it was only using Slot1/2 so it's single-channel.
Is there a way to do continuos boost speed?
@@Jimmys_TheBestCop using throttlestop, yes.
it can also be used to undervolt as with laptop cpus performance is usually changed via a power limit, you can get it to squeeze more into its small power limit by undervolting it, it also has the side effect of reducing heat.
you can also increase that power limit, though unless its a u series i cant recommend it, i know those have lots of headroom but i dont know about others. look into it before increasing power limits.
Do you have one of these things and have you worked it hard for any length of time?
I'm actually considering getting one (Not for gaming)
These motherboards with soldered mobile cpus are actually really popular in developing countries. Here in Brazil, basically all tech channels were testing and reviewing them past month
Price to performance is the way in all countries with lower than average economy / dollar value
Honestly if you can find one with a Ryzen 6000 APU on it you'll have yourself a very slick little gaming machine. The 6980HX is a monster of a mobile chip and the iGPU is comparable to the RX6400 or 6500 with the power sliders maxed out.
@@mikeymaiku I'd say it's the way everywhere, why waste money even if you have it? You could spend it on other nice things. BTW: World average gdp per capita is 12k$/a, Brazil is 18, so well above average.
That’s cool! They do seem like really good value for money. Not surprised they are popular. 😁
@@DigitalJedi can i get a link?
Gonna say, Aliexpress xeon kits are kind of impressive, would be very nice to see one featured here.
yeah
I think this might actually be more powerful than one of those old Xeons. Would be worth comparing.
They used to be. Now it's not a good option anymore. Besides, they are not that reliable either, I very recently built one for a friend and the front audio didn't work.
yes, especially the x99 ones with a sketchy motherboard - would like to see it with Dawid.
@@MiGujack3nobody uses front audio
Enable overclock on advance tab, on pch chipset tab find the only option with TRUE or FALSE configurations and set to FALSE and then you set XMP and ram voltage and it works.
Engaging with your comment to get it higher up!
nice
Although I'd never buy one myself, I think creating these motherboards to use up old laptop CPUs that likely would become e waste if not used, is a fantastic idea. If you were looking for a low/mid system, or even an interim system if your old board blewup, this could keep you going until you can buy another decent mobo cpu package.
Agreed! And it’s surprisingly powerful.
got an aliexpress i9 9980hk running on an h110 motherboard running great as efficent game server
@@kevinheimann7664 yep. I opted for the xeon 2286 8c16t chip over that one. Running in a b250i strix but im considering making a nas/plex server with dual tesla p4s connected with a m.2 adatpor for the 2nd card.
Will be cool to get it in under 5L :o
🤔I could understand if it was your CPU that died as for us down here in Australia the i7-11700F is $459AUD & i7-11800H version is $344.90AUD, but if it is the Mobo that died not so much because even if I was on last gen LGA1200 or AM4 I can get a decent new Mobo for $150-$200AUD meaning I have $150-$200AUD extra for a LGA1700 or AM5 platform upgrade.
@@kevinheimann7664 give me link bro
Dawid, the cmos battery is usually the most expensive part of an AliExpress motherboard
It's also a battery. Probably having problems shipping it, so they just removed it/didn't include it.
@@ARCx9 yeah, transport services are quite finnicky with battery transportation, i've bought a motherboard from Ali, most sellers will tell you it's without battery for transport safety, i'd imagine CR2032s are based of lithium, which is a big no-no, specially on a plane
@@ARCx9 some places worldwide won't accept shipping anything containing a removable battery
no, its bc its illigal to send baterios cause fire hazzard
And the best performing.
Idk why but I'm fascinated with these weird motherboards. I know Linus also unboxed a motherboard with a built in gpu as well.
Not that weird, there is a surplus of laptop CPUs and GPUs due to recession and reduction in purchasing power. These companies buy them in bulk and sell them as cheap desktop PC parts
@@aleksazunjic9672 I was wondering if they were buying up broken laptops with CPU and GPU chips still intact
Built in gpu or CPU?
@@Unmeito1776 Usually no, there are lot of unused CPU and GPU chips sitting in warehouses. These could not be sold to general public, so they wait for manufacturers like this one .
Most CPUs have integrated graphics these days man. The only difference here is that it's a laptop part soldered directly to the mobo. Why you would be this cheap us beyond me.
And video on mobos? Yeah you could find some mobos like that pre 2010. Mobos that used Nvidia's later nForce chipsets for example had Nvidia laptop video cards on them because the 8k/9k Geforce series cards were super hot and super power hungry so they decided to let you dynamically switch to a lower power GPU on the mobo. The feature was called Hybrid Power and there was also something called Hybrid SLI (with a Geforce 8200 or 8400 with DDR2). They dropped support for everything like 2 years later lol. The onboard video is basically a Geforce 8200m which I'm still using right now woohoo! I'm actually having compatibility problems with a new dedicated card I just bought so yeah, I'm watching some tech vids to sooth my anger and frustration...
As far as i remember there is a very convoluted way of enabling xmp on these boards. You should try asking the seller for instructions. Also there is a 12th-gen board coming out soon (march if i remember correctly)
Enable overclock on advance tab, on pch chipset tab find the only option with TRUE or FALSE configurations and set to FALSE and then you set XMP and ram voltage and it works.
i wonder if you can overclock the cpu for maybe more performance?
I have my eye on the "lowly" I5-1250P, ITX form Factor, but I'm not holding my breath..
@@poop-bq9evjust buy regular desktop cpu, It will be more powerfull
@@poop-bq9ev You can. These ES chips have no restrictions on them. Even XTU works as normal.
The reason it doesn't come with a cmos battery is because of the strict chinese transport law regarding batteries
Many AliExpress sellers are telling batteries not included due the strict restrictions on Chinese airlines, but then when the product arrives it still has batteries included or installed. 😉
Also batteries and air freight.. not a great combo
theyre cheap and can be found anywhere local electric shops, its 2242 or smth 3.3v
watch battery
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 It's ironic that they Sell those Batteries in bulk on AliExpress and Alibaba and on Amazon direct from China and Taiwan.
I actually ordered one of the non engineering sample ones myself for use as a home server because of the low power draw. They’re very interesting and for the price I think they have a ton of potential for server/htpc/sff rigs.
What terms ddi you search for to find them?
I am thinking of doing the same, didn't do it yet because I dont know if I can use hardware transcoding on Plex , did you happen to try it ?
@@stathisdespoudis42 I've got the 1.8 ES version running unRAID and hardware transcoding is working fine , can't beat it for the £100 It cost. Only had it running for about a week but so far no problems
@@stathisdespoudis42 the chip should be good. Otherwise the igpu wouldnt be usable.
Now software accepting the chip who knows
I just got an i7 variant for the same exact reason!
you know if they made an ITX version of this , it would be even more appealing than it already is (depending on the price)
i would get one just so i can run unlocked for low power usage. i would love to tweak it for a 250w max power solution
theres a few kits with and i7 that are going for like $320 Cad. mobo, CPU, Ram, SSD. killer deal for like a budget gaming PC.
@@HavokR505 the higher bin chip for the engineering sample runs 4.5 and is like 220
They did. One of my friends bought one last year from the local version of Aliexpress in China and made a tiny ITX PC with that
That’s a good point. ITX does make a whole lot of sense for something like this.
I've got the 1.8 ES version running an unRAID server at the mo and it's working great, upgrade from an old dual Xeon board that used so much power. This thing is super power efficient
Hi, i am looking top build an unraid plex server with one of mobo/CPU combos. Does the hardware transcoding work without problems/crashes ?
I've only had it running for about a week but so far it's been stable, hardware transcoding is working great, super low temps and power draw and boosting to 4.1 when needed. The only problem I had was if the top nvme was populated it wouldn't detect my sas controller on the pcie slot, moved it down to the bottom one and it worked fine.
@@jamiemallett7448 thank you very much!
@@jamiemallett7448 hi, have you done any idle power consumption tests? Maybe also using powertop?
You shouldn't do direct die cooling if your cooler has exposed heatpipes like that, it can cause die to crack and AliExpress LGA1151 laptop CPU sellers warn you about this.
I suspect dawid gives somewhere around zero fucks about this motherboard; it's likely in the trash now.
its a matter of "even pressure".
hold the cooler down before evenly distributing the pressure and your fine.
they warn you because they dont want to have to replace it under the pretense that you had a user error but decided that the chip "cracked" in shipping.
I like old BIOS UI more than modern UEFI one. For me it was far easier to find setting that i was looking for on older motherboards
Same, I miss the old UI so much!
2:32 sweet sync between music and video. I really liked it ^^
I've built a PC using one of these mobos, I got the i9-11900h version and I have to say this thing is a beast, and the better part of it
it only consumes like 40w on load.
The only downside that I found was the vrm temps 90c without the heatsink.
Do you remember how much you paid for it?
I am curious if it can be an economically viable alternative.
@@markkocsicska2590 I paid 178 us dollars, o think the price is very cheap for a i9
@@ottoguilherme5026 i9+motherboard. Not a bad price at all.
just buy 20$ heat sinks ez fix
@@musouisshin you can get them for like pennies on aliexpress with thier massive discounts for stuff like this all the time
Thats an adorable motherboard, like a few others have said I would love to see a mini-itx version of it.
Regarding what you said was CPU bottlenecking, I imagine it was actually memory bandwidth related as you had not found how to overclock/xmp the ram (other have pointed out where in the BIOS the option is). I totally get your comments about the naming and options in that style of motherboard configuration, I imagine less than 1% of people who went in to those bios even knew what most of those did, let alone needed to change anything.
While I would not trust my work on aliexpress engineering, as always I am quite impressed with it.
I was impressed when they have found a way to make laptop GPUs work as desktop GPUs. And I am impressed with this too.
Thank you for covering these items. They are certainly impressive and entertaining pieces of technology.
Well, that has been officially done aswell tho
*cough* RX 6400 and 6500XT *cough*
Can you please tell me a product where they managed to get a laptop gpu to work on a desktop?
@@bfmvshinigamisorry it's late but there's tons of mobile rtx 3070s and ryzen 6600ms. Like they were everywhere for a while.
More of this please, its so entertaining to watch
The missing CMOS battery is a shipping thing. It's a lithium battery, which they'd have to declare/ship/handle in a special way. It's way cheaper and easier this way.
Aliexpress motherboards don't come with a cmos battery because is not allowed in the shipping
I wanted to send my girlfriend a laptop, she's in the Philippines, and I couldn't send it using their own postal service because of the battery but DHL could have shipped it directly to her house for about US$50 from the UK. The battery thing sucks though!!!
this kit is actually quite powerful but you have to config some bios settings and xmp works perfectly fine just need little work on the bios and it did be running nice and properly, as for the die to the IHS it doesnt have the best contact surface, so to reduce temps even further you have to disable the avx512 and the intergrated graphics, also it should be boosting constant at 4.4/4.6ghz all core or most of the time. The Br community has done quite a few videos on this kit. Its past 12am already! 26th, the pre sale for 12th gen boards are out in china atm, however i doubt the prices will be any good because they dont have 12th gen laptop es so retail chips going to cost alot more.
@Penetrant there a rebar setting in the bios, if you want to double confirm u can also see some br videos afew also show how u can enable rebar support
@@rihavein8966 link please?
@@jarnovilen5259 what link are you asking about?
@@rihavein8966 The BR Community, whatever that is. And their videos. Where are those?
On some older BIOSes, the memory speed configuration could be under the CPU settings. Did you check there?
Not surprised by this... Given how good mini pcs have been getting in recent years, with this just being a bring your own cooler, battery and everything else version (all be it in a more normal form factor...)
you should pair this with the aliexpress mobile 3060 gpu if you still have it lmao
And pick up some AliExpress RAM, case, couple of fans, NVME.....all aliex special.
@@yesterdaysjam2405 well it can't be a desktop gpu on a desktop pcb, it needs to be a laptop gpu on a desktop pcb so it can be a cursed laptop
other than that I agree 100%
And take a laptop display and make it a desktop one with one of those weird adapter kits.
Got a laptop with 11800h for my brother for christmas, combined with a laptop 3060 at 130w that thing delivers some awesome performance. If you run it with a 4070ti you'd propably be better off playing at 4k.
To my knowledge, Maxsun, which is a reputable mobo brand in China, makes a better version of this board in OEM builds, and with their advanced UEFI BIOS, you can actually overclock the 11800H to all core 4.6-4.7 Ghz, RAM set to 3100MT/s, and power draw PL1 set to 150W, it beats 11700K and all benchmarks will perform exactly same as a 11900K, but it will need liquid cooling if you go down that route.
You should put this and the Aliexpress 3060M together and compare it to a 3060 laptop with an 11800h.
Lol I have an Asus TUF laptop with an i7 11800h and a 3060. It's actually fairly crappy compared to a desktop 11700/3060
@@100500daniel yeah that's only a 95W model no?
@@theboogerbomb yea plus no mux switch.
I suggest the AliExpress 6600m instead. Less fiddling with custom driver
@@100500daniel given you're already running at low FPS a mux won't impact performance majorly
I wonder if CPU-Z would have been able to ID that CPU.
It would detect it properly, Windows is just - on, code is that, I'll display it.
No, is an ES chip, it will report the same in cpu-z
It will give you all the info tho, is an 8c 16t 24mb of cache cpu running at 4.5 boost 2.2 base and 50w tdp
Have pcie 4.0 support for the gpu and ssd, have a tpm and win 11 support and also has rebar support
@@Elinzar even ES Chips would get more details in CPU-Z, so thanks for details. With specs this seems like i7-11800H but with bit lower base and boost frequencies.
@@idzanmarkoprivate yep, both 8 core ES chips run a bit lower than they where supposed to become
this one is indeed the i7-11800h/i9 11900h
and the other more powerful one runs at 2.6 base 4.7 boost and should be the base for the 11980HK, the rest of the specs are equal tho, just binning
@@Elinzar what about all core boost?
I'm a simple man, I see a Dawid upload I click the video, I click like, I click play.
Yeah, I always click like when the video starts because I never don't like it. It's automatic, like breathing.
I know it'll be funny and entertaining.
I'm glad my cat woke me up early for this
Simping hard huh?
@@denis2381 being an asshole huh?
@@denis2381 stuck in 2019 huh?
Same
I bought one such Erying boards with intel engineering spec CPU's for personal interest. The BIOS options are just totally awesome! You have access to practically all CPU and bridge chipset options!
China and this board : Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
This test is pointless without enabling the XMP profile of your RAM. And you would have found the how to with some googling. I think part 2 with properly clocked RAM is in order. =)
I bought one of these recently, have nothing to complain about. The bios is very strange at first but is understandable. I found some information about this interposers (like how to enable rebar and xmp) in channels like Mario Mazzotti and Tec-ink (both in portuguese).
thanks for the citation friend!
Always a great visit with Dawid
This is actually a pretty sweet board! I would definetly consider something like this if I were to upgrade my server any time soon
Maybe using Intel XTU and cranking up all the sliders it will let you could help alleviate the cpu bottleneck. My 11400H can start to use around 60 watts sometimes if I remember correctly (if it’s not at 100 degrees, average dell user moment)
To mount your heat sink, you may have to go "old school" and use some nuts and bolts to mount the heat sink to the board.
Zip ties are more old school, and pretty ghetto. 😂
and probably better use high performance thermalpad
@watchmejumpstart yah, but the the temps were more stable... Shrug.
@@vipvip-tf9rw If it's going to be stable platform for a while (desk, table, so on). I would use liquid metal.
This is pretty slick for a super slim and decently cool running build. Throw in a vertically mounted or low profile GPU
You should have gotten the "upgraded" VRM heatsinks they sell too. Would have been to see if they make a difference?
so the highest watts of the cpu is 40w. I wonder if there's an option in the bios that remove or increase the power limit.
I'm guessing this is why the CPU seems to always remain well below 100% in the video.
Just wanted to say Good job on the channel its very informative, and your a weird but in funny way guy. Your analogies are off the wall. No doubt at some point I will use them
I'm genuinely considering one of these motherboard cpu kits to upgrade my old 3rd gen system from 2012.
Maybe you should combine this with one of those mobile RX 6600M GPUs that are also strapped to a new board like this and build the ultimate non-portable Laptop PC!!
OOOh and also compare performance and power draw to their desktop counterparts?
Considering it tends to be difficult to find a motherboard or CPU by the time either one breaks because Intel keeps changing the freaking socket, I've never outright dismissed the idea of a desktop motherboard with a non-socketed CPU. That said...this idea works a heck of a lot better on mITX than mATX. For one, it'd be actually smaller, without hampering gaming performance the way a miniPC without a PCI-E X16 socket while remaining small enough depending on your case choices. Second, it actually lets you have more case choices, like one of those miniITX sandwich cases (and given it's a laptop CPU, it should work fine with most downdraft coolers at 70mm max height), and given the 3050 desktop card comes with 8gb and the 3060 gets 12gb, unless there's a GPU shortage this makes more sense for a compact gaming PC than, say, that MinisForum AMD miniPC where you socket it and a graphics card on something like the thing NUC Extremes used to use. Except the CPU/motherboard is facing the other way so, yey, no CPU cooling issue; but then again it's an open chassis so good luck using that if you have a cat or small children in the house.
I've wondered the same thing myself.
my assumption is the tools/machines used is limiting thier ability to make such small boards compact loaded with basicly every feature.
going down to smaller pcb traces not to mention multiple layers of pcb probably requires a much more advanced machine than they are using to produce the boards
Thanks,very interesting and golden price, waiting for same motherboard but in itx size
The "ES" in the Aliexpress' description of the mainboard does mean Engineering Sample, so yeah, it's not a production CPU.
If only this mainboard was available with some sort of warranty, at least not DOA, I'd be buying one. But last time I did buy an Aliexpress mainboard, it only worked for like three minutes and died. 80 bucks for three minutes of fun doesn't sound like a good deal to me :)
Yeah, this is gonna be a thing for people. The money is quite the amount despite the bargain, and then even if you can return it, it's gonna take months to resolve. The money compared to what they do and what they offer might be a super amazing price, but would an individual buyer risk that amount? I think this is more of an opportunity for computer shops, they can buy those boards and resell them, making a small margin themselves and also providing some kind of support or some form of warranty for people.
I think the problem here is the memory speed, the CPU is only using ~45w at most. Whilst that CPU should be able to push 90w PL2 no problem.
did he power tested cpu? I think not
Would be interesting to see mCPU motherboard from a well-known supplier because it looks like a nice option for building HTPC or small home media server
You could always buy a mini-PC, plenty of low power desktop chips around, like an intel NUC or similar
Why not just get something like a Larkbox?
I would get one as a router.
@@commondary9953 This board with the i9 costs 160$ (i9-11900H ES). Also you can enable the XMP profile in the BIOS, dunno why he have not managed to find the setting.
@@commondary9953 NUCs are pretty expensive. A similar spec NUC like the mainboard shown in the video is 600$+
Great info,been looking at these boards but was a bit dubious,might try one now value for money, cheers!!
This can make a Low power nas board with a modern-ish intel chip pre-installed. Color me intrested
Wonder if using ThrottleStop would release further headroom of the CPU. May allow it to clock higher.
Laptops tend to throttle the clock down to protect the hardware (Thinkpads and many others did that), so even when they are mobile version, you wont be able to get the100% of its power. With "unlimited" cooling like it would be the case of a desktop (compared to the restrictions of a laptop) you could push them to the limit for longer.
I love such a hacky mainboard, would have bought it if it came in an ITX form factor or even fit into those tiny SFF lenovo thinkcentre PCs. I have a RX6600M which is a laptop GPU soldered onto a desktop PCIe card which was used for mining.
Eyyy another upload, keep up the good work dawid!! And you too Anna!
I ordered this 2 weeks ago lol its nice to see a review a week before its supposed to show up!
You still own it? Working still?
We need a another products from companies that message you review!
I second this e-waste motion
RAM should be able to run at 3200MHz and I'm pretty sure that the CPU can probably be OC'ed, just not sure how. There are channels that show that. It would be interesting to see how it does with proper RAM speed and some OC.
Also as everyone said, all AliExpress sellers tend to not include batteries(probably because it's against the law), because we all know what lithium batteries tend to do on a plane.
I do have Erying i5 version. There is XMP setting in Chipset > SA platform > Memory
And yes, this CPU can OC
Watching from Scotland! Love the videos my guy
This actually looks great if you wanted to buy something to build a very cheap but capable gaming PC, especially for a kid, or someone older, who may not need, want, or know how to use, all the bells and whistles you can get out of higher end, more expensive parts.
I imagine paring this with those weird RX 580s for around 90 bucks that are found on Ali Express.
Bet the i9 version of this board and that card for about $250. After that, all you need is power supply, case, ram and storage. An easy sub-$400 build, that can still be upgraded later with a better graphics card.
Biggest problem I see, gaming wise, is that there is no USB-C port, and the USB 3.0 ports are just that, only 3.0, so VR isn't going to be a thing on this PC.
Update:
I bought the i9 version of this, and one of the weird RX580s, and I'm gonna build it as a replacement gaming PC for my father's ANCIENT rig. Two or three weeks, and then I'll see what happens!
Another more amusing work case for these motherboards? Imagine, for the people into such things, someone wanted to build a portable cyberdeck with one! The TDP is only 45 watts. I have a 250Wh battery that peaks at 100 watts output. I imagine, with some creative tinkering and sticking with the built in GPU, I could build something fun to turn this laptop CPU in a desktop mother board into some ugly, frankensteined, mobile cyberdeck. Maybe when I have the money to buy another motherboard!
I'd like to see you bring that motherboard back for a future video and play games on the iGPU but using FSR and XeSS. That iGPU performance actually shocked me so, I'd like so see how upscaling will help it.
Amd would be better for that
@@vipvip-tf9rw Their APUs, yes. This Intel chip is not an APU which is why I'm surprised that the performance was relatively playable.
@@mtx247 If it has igpu then It's apu, If it has cpu cores only then it's cpu
@@vipvip-tf9rw You must be new to the PC space, that's completely false. An APU is vastly different. An APU has a larger GPU than CPU. A CPU with an iGPU is smaller than the CPU. It's pretty much there to provide the bare minimum visuals whereas an APU is seen more for it's graphics capabilities. Hence why the APUs have the "G" nomenclature on AMDs APUs. Intel does not make APUs.
@@mtx247 normal cpus don't require igpu, igpu is intel i series only thing?
I really enjoy your videos, and always look forward to your next one! Something you may want to experiment with is old CPUs. My newest build is using a i9-9900k with a Z390 Chipset. I'm waiting for a Zotac 4090 then I'm gonna game and do some benchmarks. I'm quite curious as to how it performs.
Why did you decide to go with 9900K in 2023? It's a good chip, but not a good match for a 4090, it's a r5 5600 level and gonna bottleneck the heck out of the 4090.
Or it's just for a test?
really recommend you upgrade the cpu
@@Zysperro I had it in a Gigabyte MB so thought I'd try it. I expect I'll swap it and the MB out, but just gotta get some numbers first.
@@Zysperro I will know shortly, then will put the 4090 in my i9-13900K system. Its gonna be interesting to see how the old work horse responds. Right now I have a 3060 Ti running with it and the CPU just yawns...
Nice! Jeff from Craft Computing did one on the i9 variant the same day! What a good day for tech.
Nice, a David does video. I love these.
Was there no way to push the CPU power limit a bit further beyond 45w? Impressive nonetheless for the price
There is, and you can also mess around with xtu and bclk oc. I've seen testing with the i9 version with 4.6-4.7 GHz oc, but then you'd be hitting the vrm limits too, cuz the heatsink and vrm itself kinda sucks. Just using XMP to 3200 would be a big jump in performance too. If you're interested, just search for i9 11900 interposer on TH-cam, and you'll see a ton of very good videos from Brazilian hardware youtubers. This kit has been a bit of a hit over here, cuz the performance is really close to a 5600 but costing way less during sales (and being a bit convoluted as well). There are oc live streams, tests against 2011-v3 xeons and ryzens, liquid metal testing etc.
@@DMS_134 well, this thing also kinda popular in our regions, so it's seems you can replace radiators on the VRM to better one and calmly increase TDP. I saw the results there people increase it to 80 Watts and 120 Watts on PL1, measured temperatures with a pyrometer on the VRM during stress tests and everything was normal. The RAM also overclocked, by the way - I saw results up to 3733 MHz
@@luckevich16 Didn't know you could get that high on memory OC. Good stuff.
That's a pretty cool concept to use Laptop CPUs for desktop purposes.
I know that core duo is use that way with the g945m chip set .
I had one of those boards in that time.
Works just fine in a pc case
So no its not that strange .
I thank god you uploaded I can’t get enough of your videos
Seems like a nice Motherboard you can strap to the back of a monitor and call it an office computer.
I want to see this board with one of those rtx cards they stuck a laptop gpu on and see if they work a bit better with an actual laptop cpu
It won't matter
Interesting! It would have been cool if you found a way to measure the VRM temps on that board. I bet they were SPIIIIIICY! With that 4070 ti running!
Cpu draw no more than 50w. It will be cool it's less than i3. Gpu takes power through it's own vrm
@@mateusz2465 Oh right! It’s a laptop cpu, that makes sense.
Also, I was wondering about that, I knew the GPU had its own VRMs, but I was under the impression all of the power to the board goes through the board VRMs first.
@@brando3342 vrm on mobo is for cpu, gpu can take max 75w from slot ( like gtx1050ti without power connector), but most gpus don't - fast all power goes from power cables ( 6pin, 8pin...)
@@mateusz2465 Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks 👍
I think these motherboards are great!
You get a high-efficiency CPU designed for mobile devices, so very low powerdraw + a fully unlocked bios/uefi.
It´s prefect for office PCs as the performance is more than sufficient + it´s pretty silent as the power draw is really low.
AMD supports this officially on their platforms, they sell the mobile chips as "APUs" for example the 4xxxx Series where you get a Renoir Chip on an AM4 socket.
I have one of those. Needed a new machine on the budget and decided it'd be fun. Mine is the i9 version, stock it will run 4.8ghz single core and 4.1ghz all core. Unfortunately my sample is pretty bad and it becomes unstable even at 4.4ghz for all core loads, so I decided to leave it stock and just remove the power limit. Memory is at 3200mhz with low timings running fine. In benchmarks it's comparable with a Ryzen 5800X or i7 11700K (desktop), PCIe 4.0 works for both graphics and SSD, all that for 150 bucks is a steal imo.
Try using Intel's CPU identification program and see what it reports the CPU as.
that program will probably dispatch a team of Intel Ninjas to minecraft him, as engineering samples are not supposed to be sold to people
I wonder if the pci-e slot is x16 or x8 or even x4. You never know from these aliexpress sellers and/or mobile cpu limitations.
Usually it will say in the description of the item. If it says it's x16 and it ends up not being x16 you can ask for partial(or full, just lower chances of winning)refund. That's why description tends to be accurate. Always check the description and ignore the title.
Btw this particular "brand", seem to be fairly professional(they don't hide anything, issues included), so I'd say everything they put in the description should be accurate.
Should be an x16 as these cpus have 20 PCIe lanes
this is my all time favorite video that you have put out
The bios is Fully unlocked and has xmp support up to 3600mhz, you can even overclock the laptop thing, one guy in the miyconst server put liquid metal on it and it pushed it to 5.1ghz all core and 75w tdp (all the motherboard can give with the upgraded heatsinks) and it gets dangerously close to alder lake performance, for 145 usd as a whole
His ram speed keept resetting to 2133 for some reason but without overlooking he did ran it at 3600mhz when he first used the motherboard
He couldn't figure out the bios from the last video as well and just gave up
Aliexpress content is the best in this channel :D
With how much manufacturers have been charging for boards (particularly converted outside of USD) I'm sort of rooting for these weird custom motherboards.
do you also wish he bought all three the i5 i7 and i9 to compare each and see which is the best for the money I do
First mobile GPUs being fashioned into desktop PCBs and now mobile CPUs soldered into desktop motherboards? Amazing. Would love to see this become mainstream.
Aliexpress is fulfilling your dreams for just a few bucks and many times unreasonably long shipping times, straight through the heart of we hate the USAville but we love their $$$.
I found it funny that your name in CS:GO was Aroused Whale Sentience, Great video as always.
I've daily driven this exact board for a few months lol
I was wondering when someone would make a video on it
Here in Brazil we're buying these things like crazy. The I9 version has a serious VRM temp problem. Not me, though. My xeon is still doing pretty good.
What do search for on AliExpress to find these?
Another great video from Dawid!
If you need a low power pc one of these could be a pretty good start. Stick a 6500xt or something in it and you'll have a nice, low power gaming pc
Dude.. what a cool idea... This would be almost just perfect for me.. and my first ever build
Go for it! These appear fantastic for tinkering too this and the Intel ARC A770 16GB would make a fantastic system, if you can learn the bios and enable Resizable BAR 😁
Kinda lowkey love this. I'm imagining you could create a really robust fanless PC with a motherboard like this.
memory settings are under the system agent tab... for 3200 set voltage to 1.35 and enable the overclocking option before using the MP profile and your golden... VRM runs hot on these so be aware...
I’d try Intel XTU to get the memory speed up. I work in IT and often have to use it (or Ruben master) for OEM mobos
Thank you for that Video. Interessting Board.
Running one of these boards with the ES cpu as my main computer. Paired with a 6600M gpu. Works great.
how did u get the RAM to run at 3200MHz?
@@RadChromeDude there is XMP setting under Chipset > SA platform > Memory
@polaris star My RAM (Muskin Silverline) ran at 3200MHz out of the box. But the other poster may be correct.
Hey Dawid, you might shave another degree or two off the temps if you rested a house brick on top of the tower cooler to increase the contact pressure.
And now I want one of these, thanks Dawid
I wanted to like this, but I got the impression from their store page that it would be picky about RAM and reviews suggested the SATA and NVME slots didn't not work as expected
Man I remember PC Chips/Amptron was doing this way back in the day for dirt cheap whitebox systems. Mostly boards with Durons and RAM soldered, with maybe one RAM slot free. They were really just mATX SBCs but people ate them up because they were so cheap. I imagine most of them failed with the quickness and are in landfills now.
That spreader looks surprisingly nice. Copper to copper contact. Looks flat and levelled too. Wonder how liquid metal under the die would be.
To be fair if you took one of these, chcuked in 16GB or ram, a decent SSD and a 1660 or even a low end 20 series card it wouldn't be too hard to build a decent little console PC for casual gaming on your TV. You're probably not going to be playing the latest releases at 4K max settings 9000 FPS or anything but it would be perfect for a kids bedroom where you dont have space for a desk and a proper setup
That last bit there is how id run a bench for weeks before deciding what to do with the parts. Screwing shit down takes too long.
I have a similar board made by Maxsun and its decent. IIRC Erying's 11950H version is not an ES and not much more expensive.
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Me: I need my inhaler.
I need more Dawid weird science
I don't know about this generation, but 8-9 gen has mutant mobile chips that goes in regular motherboard with custom bios. Worth the hassle, if you want i9 9900HK for a price of 9600. Same goes to QS CPUs (can't recommend ES, since they usually not stable and lack features like Turbo boost and proper sleep while also having worse memory controller).