Unmasking the Map: The Abstract Puzzle of Petey's Creation! Severance Theories Unanswered Questions
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- In this thought-provoking video, we dive deep into the mysterious artifacts left behind by Petey in "Severance," exploring their hidden meanings and uncovering intriguing connections. Join us as we analyze three primary items that caught our attention. But before we delve into these artifacts, we discuss the possibility of Petey's reintegration and his potential involvement with Dr. Ragabe. Could Petey have been spying for the doctor while still coming to work in Lumen? We explore this theory and question the functionality of code detectors in the elevator. Moving on to the artifacts, we dissect the cryptic Post-it notes found in the MDR handbook, a map of the severed floor in abstract form, and the intriguing break room tape. Furthermore, we examine the significance of Petey's communication with Mark through a birthday card and the curious connection to Devin. Additionally, we speculate on what his daughter might know about the whole situation. As we await the eagerly anticipated season two, share your thoughts and theories in the comments below, and make sure to subscribe for updates and our upcoming live streams discussing all things "Severance"!
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Mark talking to Petey in his basement is an interesting conversation imo. When Mark says I’m not interested in being unsevered with Petey responding with that’s not a thing - It’s reintegration! “Right! Well it’s helping me” Says Mark with Petey then going “What if that help is you murdering people 8 hours a day, & you don’t even know it” Mark responds with “What like chained up or some shit?” He then mentions that he found a department down there where ‘you don’t get to leave’ Mark responds with sure none of us get to leave? He then says no, like you really don’t get to leave as in theyre down their right now” 😮 Unreal lol
Detectors were detecting ONLY written symbols, not taped items. Helly was able to bring her resignation tape without alarms going off. They found a loophole in the system and could use it later in season 2
Hmm, not sure you would even need that explanation. Seemed clear they did not care if she walked out with that. Given now that we know she is a member of the family, there was never really any chance she was going to accept that resignation from her innie.
For me an interesting aspect is that it doesn't appear that there is some technology that has ever caught someone that we have seen on screen. It's always another human that thinks there is some magic thing that'll detect it. Although I guess we did get some indication from Adam Scott that may have happened to him before. But my point stands we have not seen it on screen actually detect anything
Hey guys, about that Code Detector:
Theory 1: If it actually exists, does it detect digital codes? Because Helly R. leaves with a CD or DVD in her hand, after she threatened to cut her fingers off.
They could've manually disabled the Code Detector for that moment, but, if the Code Detector just doesn't detect digital codes, then it would've been possible for Petey to smuggle out the Tape, without triggering it.
Theory 2: The Code-Detector is actually not in the elevator. The Elevator just triggers their brain-implant, which then analyzes the brain activity and finds out, if the person smuggling knows he is smuggling something. Which would mean, as long as the person smuggling something doesn't know their smuggling something, they can get anything out and into the office. It just has to be someone else putting it into their pocket without their knowledge.
Theory 3: The Code-Detector is total bullshit. Lumon just knows that new Employees will try to smuggle out info in their first few days they're in there. So they surveil them very closely and trigger the Code-Detector manually, to make them believe the detector is actually catching it all.
Just some thoughts!
No the detector is real. They found out the woman from the Lexington letters has been communicating with the inner self
I had the same thoughts as #1 and #3. I hadn’t thought about #2 but it’s plausible. Also, I find the phrase “code detector” rather confusing and awkward and ambiguous. Like…. what exactly is a “code” in this context? My first thought is that it really is about information encoded in some way. The fact that they work with pure numbers all day without understanding them makes it seem like there’s a higher level process at work and they really are just links in a chain, decoding (selecting from the stream) and re-encoding (putting the numbers into boxes.) So it could be that they really do have “code detectors” to protect this project, but that written language (at least English?) can also be interpreted as clear-text, the simplest code of them all (aka no code.) Also fyi, that tape recorder would encode and store his voice as an analog, not digital, signal. On the magnetic tape it’s encoded as changes in field power (strength of the magnetic field) over time. So to actually “read” the tape in the elevator requires technology that doesn’t exist. You’d have to be able to scan the tape linearly, even as it is coiled tightly in hundreds (thousands?) of layers around the spool. You’d have to be able to precisely detect the strength of the field on the layer currently being scanned, and not the one above it or below or 100 layers away from it. And what are you using to scan it? You’d need a powerful magnetic field in the elevator that could be affected by the minute differences in field strength on the layers of tape. To have that kind of fidelity would probably require a magnetic field that would garble the signal stored on the tape itself. Now I know this show is science fiction, but good science fiction only makes you drop your disbelief on a few key aspects of reality. The rest of the time it needs to be self-consistent in that universe, or they are just making up shit as they go along. (I’m looking at you LOST 😡) So I don’t think they actually have a detector that can scan a magnetic cassette tape. Just my opinion though. 🤷♀️
The monkey experiment you mentioned is a thought experiment, not an actual experiment. It's in the same category as "if you give a monkey a typewriter..." ~
6:45 "if petey was severed, he would have no idea what the cubist art movement was." Though I agree that Petey was already reintegrated, I'm not sure about that reasoning. They have knowledge of many outside things. Take, for instance, Dylan's fantasies about muscle shows and milfs. Though neither exist down there, Dylan has the general cultural knowledge to know what those are. It seems as though Lumon erases a person's lived experiences, and also any information that would interfere with their propaganda, but that's it. So they erase all religion in order to replace it was Keir, but they don't erase the state of Delaware.
I would like someone to explain or hypothesize on the varied distribution of incongruous technology. We have internet, flip phones, mind severance 'chips' -- along with 80s cassette tape recorders and 70s cars with arm-shifting gearshifts on the steering column. Is there some kind of Lumen controlled tech suppression? Of course, I'm impressed with Petey's cell phone that keeps it's charge for over a week.
Great discussion and theories. A lot of stuff I had never considered in this. These theory videos are keeping me alive until season 2. I am watching the show for the 4th time now and I just cannot wait for season 2. I'm actually hoping its just one episode per week so that we can appreciate the show until we hopefully get a season 3.
Devon is DEFINITELY not Marks sister, every convo between them is like, remember how were siblings or remember when we were kids or gee I'm your sister. At first I thought it was just TV show exposition, but it's overboard. And the fact that she's the only one that seems normal among Rick(N.), Pat(N.), Rebeck(A.), and all the rest of the clearly mind controlled/wiped/severed crew
You guys do such a great job digging into this FANTASTIC show!! Thanks!!!
I’ve heard that something’s in the soap. Lumon began as a topical pharmaceutical company and soap is technically a topical. The handbook also reminds employees to frequently wash their hands. I think the technology doesn’t work (or maybe doesn’t work as well) without the Lumon topicals. I’m really interested to see what Lumon was like before the chips invention. What the hell are they putting in the salve that supposedly helped soldiers during the Civil War?
Ooow that's interesting!!!
9:16 I was thinking it was a “minds eye”
Re: the Code Detectors; I just think about all the tech that doesn’t really work as advertised. Bing Ai telling people to put glue on their pizza or the millions of weird flubs autocorrect has caused on my phone to Boeing’s planes that fall apart in midair.
Tech companies aren’t actually that reliable. The TSA is basically theater and does very little to stop actual weapons from getting through airports. Cops have an insignificant effect on property crime and close very few actual cases.
In reality, big businesses and institutions are mostly incompetent and run with an acceptable level of failure that only bites them when it fails spectacularly!
I think the code detector exists but it’s woefully inadequate. Peggy got her child-code through in The Lexington Letter. But clothing stores have to sell tag-less suits specifically for the Severed.
When Petey mentioned cubism, that made me think about what information does the severed individual actually maintain? I didn’t see any sign of confusion or misunderstanding on Mark’s face. If it was intended that Mark doesn’t know what cubism is, it would have been nice for the director to whisper this to the actor before the scene. From the scene I assumed that Mark also knew what cubism was. And that made me wonder what facts about the outside world do they keep and what are not available to them? They seem to understand what “music” and “dance” is, even if not familiar with the particular genres that were presented for choice. If Mark really doesn’t understand what cubism is, that was not made clear to me. If that was supposed to be an important clue, I wish they had done this better. These are the nitpicks that pull me out of my suspension of disbelief. If it’s just going to be totally arbitrary what knowledge they have and don’t have to serve a particular script, then I think it’s lazy writing. But I still tend to believe both Mark and Petey know what cubism is, so this interaction was not really any kind of a clue that Petey was re-integrated.
We don't see the team building room but we see Bert and his only teammate come from there after they were trying to parachute eggs. Come to think about it are there any theories why a team of two was sent to do team building?
Damn, you guys kind of convinced me that Devon knew Petey and worked with him. It fits. But it could also just be the kind of coincidence that just pushes the story forward.
Pete was first patient to have his chip removed and replaced with a fake chip, he continued to go to the work place acting, trying to help the other out somehow, leaving hints for Mark. He did not follow his medicine protocols, and it got out of control.
Really good episode
innie petey also needs to integrate, so I think that going to the severed floor is part of the therapy. it's not a drug that he stopped taking.. I think
so glad I discovered the series last week so I don't need to wait 2 years :)
I just wanna say this thing about the restaurant scene with Petey. Mark is sitting there alone, Ms Cobel calls him and asks him where he is. As soon as he says 'i'm at Pips, I must hang up now the food is arriving soon" (or something like that), Petey appears who tells him to hang up the phone. It's suspect as fuck.
marked told her he had to hang once once pete was already there
Lol you should rewatch it bc you described it completely wrong
@@Holeephucc I just rewatched it, it starts with him sitting alone at the table at pips. His phone rings, Its Mrs. Selvig.
Mark is like 'sunday is garbage and monday is recycle, you keep putting your bin on my side. Actually I can't talk right now I'm out at dinner, P-... No by myself... Ehhh, Pips bar and grilled."
And right after he says grilled Pete is suddenly at his table and sits down and tells him to hang up the phone.
Rewatch it yourself if you don't believe me. It's incredibly suspect =,=
And there's a shot when Pete walks out of Pips, shot from the outside. And I think it kinda looks like the head of security guy is behind the counter.
@@MrHvleeuwen look at your original comment lol it’s different that way you stated now.
Lmao bruh said "me doing my research this guy is supposed to central" and "he seems to be responsible for a lot of the connective tissue". He is taking about the one character who split from Lumon and lead us on this whole outside adventure. This guy HAD TO DO research because he didn't get why the character who is making us ask so many questions and giving us info on severance is important.
I find the phrase “code detector” rather confusing and awkward and ambiguous. Like…. what exactly is a “code” in this context? My first thought is that it really is about information encoded in some way. The fact that they work with pure numbers all day without understanding them makes it seem like there’s a higher level process at work and they really are just links in a chain, decoding (selecting from the stream) and re-encoding (putting the numbers into boxes.) So it could be that they really do have “code detectors” to protect this project, but that written language (at least English?) can also be interpreted as clear-text, the simplest code of them all (aka no code.) Also fyi, that tape recorder would encode and store his voice as an analog, not digital, signal. On the magnetic tape it’s encoded as changes in field power (strength of the magnetic field) over time. So to actually “read” the tape in the elevator requires technology that doesn’t exist. You’d have to be able to scan the tape linearly, even as it is coiled tightly in hundreds (thousands?) of layers around the spool. You’d have to be able to precisely detect the strength of the field on the layer currently being scanned, and not the one above it or below or 100 layers away from it. And what are you using to scan it? You’d need a powerful magnetic field in the elevator that could be affected by the minute differences in field strength on the layers of tape. To have that kind of fidelity would probably require a magnetic field that would garble the signal stored on the tape itself. Now I know this show is science fiction, but good science fiction only makes you drop your disbelief on a few key aspects of reality. The rest of the time it needs to be self-consistent in that universe, or they are just making up shit as they go along. (I’m looking at you LOST 😡) So I don’t think they actually have a detector that can scan a magnetic cassette tape. Just my opinion though. 🤷♀️
I agree i think Mark’s sister disagrees with severance and maybe she was made aware that re-integration was possible and was slowly trying to help Petey introduce it to Mark
8:35 this makes me wonder if Union troops were being tested on by Lumon (bc of extreme trauma)
The elevator was not the only way to enter and leave the severed floor. A stairwell is clearly shown multiple times
10:45 was he thinking of Tai Chi, not Feng Shui?
Damn that devon theory got me 🤔 makes sense how did he get to her place?
I bet they’ll bring Peter back to life like they did with Gemma…
What if the note Petey left in the orientation manual was for himself and this is the way to stay reintegrated
I'm pretty sure they're not seeing what's actually around them and the whole office is in their minds, allowing them to interact with anyone else who has a chip. Like they're probably in some moldy basement with no actual security measures except for the chip in their own head. So when Petey was able to integrate, he was able to see what they were actually doing and where they actually were. I think that's why Petey got flashes of the cubicles outside. Also, I think the dead wife is actually in a coma and she just has a chip in her brain that allows her to basically astral project into this mindspace that everyone else also thinks they're in, but maybe she's not even in the same physical space as them.
I think Petey might have known that he is a chip, like all the severed staff. To quote Cobel "This IS Petey."
This seems like it might be a very complex way to treat complex trauma. Severing the self to get time and space away from the constant dissociation and panic. Children who are traumatized can sever their self into fragments to deal with the trauma. One person can only take so much before it becomes so complex that healing must be as complex or it will not work. You have to almost trick people into healing because their brains are so overwhelmed with too much traumatic stress for too long.
That said. The whole thing is a simulation, including the people who know what is happening. The brain is being given challenges and mysteries for the brain to solve. This could also be reorienting their brain pathways for their traumatic experiences to be integrated. Someone requires A LOT of information and beyond a life time to process complex trauma. A simulation would probably make that a much shorter time.
The idea is to get space from the traumas. When you awake. Your brain has completely changed because of all the new information and experiences you acquired in the simulation. The simulation makes you want to escape and understand what is happening. The program is designed to reintegrate senses and feelings. They are all given mundane calming tasks. This is how a brain heals. It s also interesting that they are trying to save themselves....their severed selves.
When they awake, it will be because they figured out what is going on. It will feel like years have passed in minutes. They will have more perspective and a whole new brain to process their original trauma. That is my take on it. Why else would anything this elaborate exist? Because complex trauma requires complex solutions.
You think Lumon cares about treating trauma? They sure *create* a lot of trauma. The original Eagan, Kier, *might* not have been malicious and concerned with the mind, but his stuff seems more about some sort of reaching a higher state of consciousness or whatever ("and the world shall become but your appendage"), rather than psychological healing.
"They are all given mundane calming tasks."
Calming? Mundane? Did...did you watch the show?
@@wawawuu1514 Finding the numbers that make you feel things....is hours of mundane. Learning to manage emotions as they arise because of the numbers....calming or managing contentedness lest you get swept away by the feelings of the numbers. I do agree that the original Kier may have had more pure intentions. But if you want to be able to take your consciousness and put it in another person....like I believe is happening with Helly's dad, then you need a consciousness that is fragmented and easy to imprint over. The best mind to try to control is one that already fragments when stressed. There seems to be an element of personal suffering and trauma in the show.
If they know what eels are, I don't know why they wouldn't know what Cubism is. Mark S. questioning him as to how he knows what it is makes me think Mark knows what it is and is jesting that Petey is too low brow to know.
Making us wait til January 2025 is CRUEL!!! This video is already 1yo, so 18months between seasons! it's already finished production, what is the extra 5 months about??? I guess that's why people like me watch old videos... thanks
Love the video, but could we not do the “mmmmm, mmmmmm” in future episodes?
Very distracting/annoying.
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