I have an old Raspberry Pi 3 that I've been using as a RetroPi emulator. It's great for what I use it for, which is for the 3rd and 4th generation of consoles. It's great because it's lightweight and quickly boots, and I use it to go to places and hook it up and get playing. I just bought a cooling case that is shaped like a SNES that has been working very well. If it blows up, I might give Lakka or Batocera a try. This is a good comparison and you definitely have made the case for Lakka for me! I'd recommend everyone give it a shot. And you're absolutely right about being nickel and dimed about parts and everything.
Yeah, I have a huge collection of Pis and other SBCs and have messed around with pretty much all the gaming OSs on them for years now. I had fun in the past and have a Pi 4 in an NES case (reviewed in an old video) that stays hooked up but I don't use much anymore. I'm probably going to stick a Pi 3b+ or 3b in a vertical setup I'm going to do soon since it won't need much power/performance and the 3s are easier to work with for those setups than the 4s.
With special sales, you can get a brand new Intel N100 system, with 8GB RAM, NVMe drive, including case, cooling and PSU, for the same price as a Pi 5 kit. The Intel N100 is not just better at retro gaming, but also with media, as the Pi 5 only has a h265 hardware decoder (and no hardware encoders).
Yeah, no question. When it comes to retrogaming or media, I wouldn't recommend a pi 5 to anyone these days. Mini PCs are way more powerful at the same price, require less futzing around, have fewer issues, and are just easier to deal with. I don't like that THAT is where we are now, but.... that's where we are now. Unless they can start selling Pis with everything you need (AC adapter, cooling, case, storage, cables) for around $75, I feel like their usefulness for retrogaming and media is over.
I've been using RecalBox on my Pi5 and it worked perfectly fine from first boot to now. I really think a lot of the issues you faced are likely due to Lakka still being very fresh on the system. To be honest I'm surprised you didn't mention RecalBox once. It's very easy and just works.
I've worked with several OSes on it and while some are definitely more stable than others, performance isn't too terribly different amount the ones I tested at least. I may do a follow up with a few devices where I check another gaming OS on a few of them so I might cover RecalBox at that point just to show something different.
It's all about the use case. Raspberry Pis are all about compute power without needing a lot of electrical power and building things that utilize the GPIO interface. Emulation is not its primary use case, and never was. It's just something it can also do.
Yes, I mentioned in the video that are other use cases and scenarios where a Pi makes plenty of sense and even specifically mentioned that it might be good for countries where the cost of electricity generation is high.
I always looked at the PI's but I never got one given I have a gaming PC already, and I could never justify the headache of setting up a smaller emulation box that ran everything worse just for my TV.
They've been a fun little mess-around toy and good for things like arcade-style cabinet builds. I'm planning to use one of my old 3b or 3b+s for a vertical setup soon. But these days, they just dont make sense anymore since mini PCs are so cheap now and usually way more powerful.
Honest video review, thanks! I am a fan of Raspberries and I really do not like them to be compare to something else (like mini pc). Said that though, the reality is what it is, if Raspberries would like to "go up" again, then like it was mention, performance up and price down. Sadly I believe that will not happen, since "retro gaming" is not a main target for them.
Yeah, they're still fine for a lots of specific educational and specialized stuff that requires small, low power boards. But for gaming or desktop computing, they definitely aren't worth it right now, IMO.
I got a Lenovo ThinkCentre tiny with a Ryzen 5 2400 APU for $120 with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD instead because the RPI 5 was too expensive and underpowered compared to the ThinkCentre that had everything but the WiFi and Bluetooth built in.
Why are you using micro sd cards? Use the USB 3. I went to Samsung BAR USB flash drives back on my Pi4s. I picked up a Pi5 4gb, a 256gb usb, a PS and official cooler for under $100. I have Retropie installed on Pi OS Lite with no desktop. That one is for Gamecube. Another USB flash has Ubuntu w/ aethersx2, for PS2 games. I haven't tried Saturn. Considering game sizes and settings it may be easier to setup systems with their own USB and whatever OS works best. I may give Lakka a try.
Personally I prefer to use just one OS on an SD card (which I have just laying around doing nothing else) with one external rom/iso drive, it just makes everything easier. I'm not going to be using the Pi 5 long term for this since I have way better options for that here. But I do like to see how they're coming along and check out emulation progress on them every now and then.
@@InglebardGaming I still use a Pi4 more than my Pi5s, only because it's portable and I keep the Pi5s at home. More of a screen issue and it's more convenient to have audio out built in for the boombox the pi4 is on. Since I use the 4 as a daily with Android it really needs every little bit. Where I stopped using the Pi4 was for desktop use. TH-cam, forums, that kind of thing, Pi5 seems to be much much better and kills it with downloads, or transferring between USBs. I started switching to Samsung BARs as the price got closer between the 2 on storage and the speeds were better on the BAR. Now the next ones I'm looking for will probably be M.2 but if not, 512GB. The games just keep getting bigger.
i m not into this stuff but this video was pretty interesting....handling jaguar and saturn emulation this well is no small feat indeed...for the rest, yes.. go get a mini pc if u dont even own a decent gaming rig xD
For me, it's not about affording a gaming rig, I have one of those. I used a mini PC on my big bedroom TV for all my streaming stuff, some light PC gaming and some big TV emulation. Those are things I used to use stuff like Pis and Android devices for in the past. Right now, cheap mini PCs just make more sense for that stuff price and performance-wise.
I'm actually considering the newest orange pi 5... pro, I think? It's not that much about the strength of the board, and while compatibility, price, and performance are important the focus is still on the portability and being able to run linux. I'm trying to make a handheld/phone-like thing, but since for now I lack the knowledge to actually make a custom pcb, I'm just gonna put it together with off-the-shelf stuff and a wee bit of customization. Only doing that because, yes, I want it to be portable, I don't want it ONLY for gaming, and I want it running linux. The project starts with a pi4, but I'm still wondering what I should use to improve it if I want to.
Also, some people just make bloated images and say stuff runs better on their image - I want a clean image with every said improvements and none of the flair and bloat. Just the barebones stuff. This is about making it yourself to some extent, and I will compile stuff, configure files, and put custom data where necessary, but how far does it need to go to actually improve to its fullest potential? If someone already did it, why not spread the info anyway instead of - you know - putting it behind a paywall? I can imagine the full image with all the stuff that needs a full TB ssd is a lot of work and sure, good on them for having people pay for that. I don't want that, release the foundation, dammit.
Yeah, I rarely mess with premade images. I just don't want a bunch of options set for me that I probably don't want to use. As for the standard orange pi 5, I may do a video on that one in the near-ish future and how it compares to the raspberry pi 5 for retro stuff. This won't be the new model of the orange pi 5 pro or whatever they're calling it, though 😁.
I have 2 orange pi plus boards. One I bought to run openwrt and act as my router. Unfortunately, although the rk3588 is a smoking chip, linux support is still not the greatest. This is due to the GPU. It's a fantastic GPU but the drivers for linux is still not quite there. Under linux 6.10, things got better but still no vulkan support yet... Even openwrt gave me problems and I wound up replacing it with an n100 mini pc with 16gb of ram, 512gb nvme and dual 2.5gb ethernet ports which set me back $200. Less than the opi 5 plus with case and ssd. I have great hope for the platform once the software matures. It definitely runs circles around the rpi 5.
@@leonoliveira8652 arcade punks is not behind a paywall.. You just need to be a registered user to download the content. You have a choice of torrent, nzb or direct download. Since sbcs can use sd cards or usb drives, the pre-built images can easily be booted separately. They can be useful to show you what is possible and give you a chance to dissect the configuration and learn how it works. This is most useful when trying to DIY your own build. I have experience spinning up my own setups with retropi, batocera and launchbox. They take a lot of work and never perform as well as a pro release. Retroarch, in particular, is a world unto itself. It takes rime to learn its ins and outs. A pre-built image can be useful to help you learn some best practices. There are other, smaller builds that can provide a good starting point.. I just happened to choose the 1tb image because I had a spare 1tb external nvme. Currently I'm playing with the 12tb retrobat setup which is being released in stages. I just happened to have a spare 16tb external drive to play with. Yes, it's windows based, which is not ideal, but I can use it for enjoyment while I tinker with my own builds.
@@leonoliveira8652 the opi pro has faster memory. The plus has more io and a full rk3588... The pro has a rk3588s, which has less io... The plus has 2 hdmi out and 1 hdmi in and dual 2.5gb ethernet ports and comes on a larger pcb. If you want to use the board for more homelab type things, the plus is a better choice. For gaming and such, the pros faster memory will probably be best.
Pricing is skewed a bit there, you can pick up a Raspbery Pi 5 8gb desktop kit, which even includesd a keyboard and mouse as well as your usual starter kit, for £130 :p
It's not my pricing. Example 1: shorturl.at/uyOFE Example 2: shorturl.at/USh1J Example 3: shorturl.at/uVM2U Example 4: shorturl.at/2K9FX Example 5: shorturl.at/WqioZ Example 6: tinyurl.com/km3tnedd There are cheaper kits, too, but they usually come with smaller memory cards, worse cases/cooling options or are missing things that would be handy (or depending on your use case possibly necessary) to have. At minimum people are in for about $120 for the bare essentials if they're buying a kit.
Couldn't it be a problem with Lakka instead of the Pi itself? Recallbox also has a pi5 version, it would be interesting to see if it performs better with it.
General performance hasn't been much different between Lakka, Batocera, and running stuff straight from Raspberry Pi OS. I don't know if I'll do another video on it, but others have shown similar results in their own videos.
Well...I mean, the Raspberry Pi might not be really competitive anymore but I think it's still much better than the average android phones used for emulation
The depends entirely on which android devices you're talking about. Performance on even some cheap phones, under the $150 or so mark, CAN be way better than a Pi 5. Or way worse. Depends on the phone.
Sup mate, question after seeing the Lakka website in your video: are you using an ad blocker? I ask because navigating to the Lakka website on my phone without ad blocker there are a ton of ads which makes navigating through the site a bit difficult at times. Thanks.
Yes, I've had AdBlocker+ on my main desktop for a long time. Just checked the lakka site on mobile and yeesh, you're right. It's pretty rough with a lot of ads. It's not that bad on other desktops I've used even without ad blockers so I don't know what's up with that.
@@InglebardGaming Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I don't remember it being this bad a few years ago, so that has me thinking whether it's intentional or not. If it's intentional to earn some cash it's fine, but if the site got hacked somehow to display all those random ads then that might be a problem. Could you reach out to Lakka and ask them? Cheers
Still has it's uses but, no longer a viable emulation device. I moved to a GMKtec G5 N97 Tiny NUC. it's proving to be everything i wished the Pi 5 was.
Yeah, for general purpose devices and emulation, I think the Pi has outlived any usefulness it used to have. Unless they get a powerful low cost version out, I think its future will be with industrial applications and educational stuff only.
Nice video, glad I went for a Mister over the Pi5, I hate config pain and it sounds like this has plenty. It's a good point you make about the mini pc's, I've been eyeing them since your Beelink review. Seems the Pi is no longer economically viable
I went with a Beelink SER7 and it runs everything I need. I’m not sure of the advantage of a Mister over a mini PC, I spent about the same or less, and it supports Dreamcast and later, which the Mister cannot do.
It was mainly for the analogue output for my CRT's, the Mister was perfect for that. I have a nice Batocera image I'll use on a mini PC one day, for now it just runs on an old chunky desktop...
@@piccolo1976 That makes sense, I’m sure the Mister works much better with getting proper double-strike 240p type video modes. I used to use a modded Wii for the same reason, but sadly its video capacitors are worn out.
Mini PCs definitely changed from being a joke to being great for the price over the course of just a few years. I'm planning on giving Taki Udon's Mister clone a try after seeing early reviews first to make sure there are no problems with it!
@thetechn1que518 Ahh the dreaded capacitor rot, I hope you can get your Wii sorted. I've had my PC E, MD and SNES all capped, would love to get my PVM done as well at some point. Mister certainty looks nice on that 😅
You don't know the half of it. I cut about 10 minutes out of this video where I showed and talked about a bunch of the specifics. I thought it made the video too long and people wouldn't really care.
Most of your issues stem from Not Optimizing the emulators from watching ur video. No need to Over over clock. Common mistake for Most people. GameCube runs fine it’s not the pi. Ps2 runs fine and most Wii games.
I mentioned in the video I tried it both with and without the overclock. Lakka had the same problems without the overclock that it did with it. This is a video specifically about Lakka on the Pi 5. And GameCube and PS2 do not "run fine" on it very few games run at full speed on those systems without frameskipping or using hacks like lowering the virtual CPU speeds, turning off various features or using PAL isos. This is true of every OS I've seen running on the Pi 5. Some operating systems will run some of the systems here better than others, but none of them are a silver bullet to get top tier emulation out of those systems. The issues I discussed also are unrelated to "not optimizing the emulators." I went through the Lakka options for Dolphin extensively and tried everything possible to get better performance. Still, if you have video of someone getting "fine" performance out of GameCube and PS2 specifically on Lakka on the Pi 5, I'll allow a link here, because I've never seen it. Fine performance by my standards is a full 60fps virtual framerate without cranking down visual quality settings. I'm always willing to accept that something screwy may have happened, but I tested with multiple Lakka installs on multiple memory cards, including one that was unopened and brand new.
@@InglebardGaming all the emulators in laka r the same as any other build and front end. There was an image maker named boobooman who came to the same conclusion about batocera. That GameCube and Wii was crap. He didn’t optimize any of the emulators and I have it running better than his image. Most of these newer systems will all require tinkering there aren’t like the older emulators and games that don’t need adjustment. Anything such as sega Saturn n64 ps2 GameCube Wii will all need it especially on an arm based chip using Linux. Running a demo at default settings is fine but it’s possible to have everything running better than u have it here. U don’t need hacks or frame skipping to accomplish it. When the pi5 first came out many said ps2 wouldn’t work. They were proven wrong a few days later because most videos r people rom dumping and not optimizing anything and then saying it doesn’t work. I don’t know if lakes added ps2 but there’s over 800 I tested and verified that works fine as well as many using the dolphin emulator.
I have an old Raspberry Pi 3 that I've been using as a RetroPi emulator. It's great for what I use it for, which is for the 3rd and 4th generation of consoles. It's great because it's lightweight and quickly boots, and I use it to go to places and hook it up and get playing. I just bought a cooling case that is shaped like a SNES that has been working very well. If it blows up, I might give Lakka or Batocera a try.
This is a good comparison and you definitely have made the case for Lakka for me! I'd recommend everyone give it a shot. And you're absolutely right about being nickel and dimed about parts and everything.
Yeah, I have a huge collection of Pis and other SBCs and have messed around with pretty much all the gaming OSs on them for years now. I had fun in the past and have a Pi 4 in an NES case (reviewed in an old video) that stays hooked up but I don't use much anymore.
I'm probably going to stick a Pi 3b+ or 3b in a vertical setup I'm going to do soon since it won't need much power/performance and the 3s are easier to work with for those setups than the 4s.
I had no idea about this, thanks for the update. A mini-PC would certainly be more familiar to me.
If all you'll be doing is retrogaming or media, a mini pc is a tremendously better buy right now.
With special sales, you can get a brand new Intel N100 system, with 8GB RAM, NVMe drive, including case, cooling and PSU, for the same price as a Pi 5 kit.
The Intel N100 is not just better at retro gaming, but also with media, as the Pi 5 only has a h265 hardware decoder (and no hardware encoders).
Yeah, no question. When it comes to retrogaming or media, I wouldn't recommend a pi 5 to anyone these days. Mini PCs are way more powerful at the same price, require less futzing around, have fewer issues, and are just easier to deal with.
I don't like that THAT is where we are now, but.... that's where we are now. Unless they can start selling Pis with everything you need (AC adapter, cooling, case, storage, cables) for around $75, I feel like their usefulness for retrogaming and media is over.
I've been using RecalBox on my Pi5 and it worked perfectly fine from first boot to now. I really think a lot of the issues you faced are likely due to Lakka still being very fresh on the system. To be honest I'm surprised you didn't mention RecalBox once. It's very easy and just works.
I've worked with several OSes on it and while some are definitely more stable than others, performance isn't too terribly different amount the ones I tested at least. I may do a follow up with a few devices where I check another gaming OS on a few of them so I might cover RecalBox at that point just to show something different.
It's all about the use case. Raspberry Pis are all about compute power without needing a lot of electrical power and building things that utilize the GPIO interface. Emulation is not its primary use case, and never was. It's just something it can also do.
Yes, I mentioned in the video that are other use cases and scenarios where a Pi makes plenty of sense and even specifically mentioned that it might be good for countries where the cost of electricity generation is high.
I always looked at the PI's but I never got one given I have a gaming PC already, and I could never justify the headache of setting up a smaller emulation box that ran everything worse just for my TV.
They've been a fun little mess-around toy and good for things like arcade-style cabinet builds. I'm planning to use one of my old 3b or 3b+s for a vertical setup soon.
But these days, they just dont make sense anymore since mini PCs are so cheap now and usually way more powerful.
Honest video review, thanks! I am a fan of Raspberries and I really do not like them to be compare to something else (like mini pc). Said that though, the reality is what it is, if Raspberries would like to "go up" again, then like it was mention, performance up and price down. Sadly I believe that will not happen, since "retro gaming" is not a main target for them.
Yeah, they're still fine for a lots of specific educational and specialized stuff that requires small, low power boards. But for gaming or desktop computing, they definitely aren't worth it right now, IMO.
I got a Lenovo ThinkCentre tiny with a Ryzen 5 2400 APU for $120 with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD instead because the RPI 5 was too expensive and underpowered compared to the ThinkCentre that had everything but the WiFi and Bluetooth built in.
Why are you using micro sd cards? Use the USB 3. I went to Samsung BAR USB flash drives back on my Pi4s. I picked up a Pi5 4gb, a 256gb usb, a PS and official cooler for under $100. I have Retropie installed on Pi OS Lite with no desktop. That one is for Gamecube. Another USB flash has Ubuntu w/ aethersx2, for PS2 games. I haven't tried Saturn. Considering game sizes and settings it may be easier to setup systems with their own USB and whatever OS works best. I may give Lakka a try.
Personally I prefer to use just one OS on an SD card (which I have just laying around doing nothing else) with one external rom/iso drive, it just makes everything easier. I'm not going to be using the Pi 5 long term for this since I have way better options for that here. But I do like to see how they're coming along and check out emulation progress on them every now and then.
@@InglebardGaming I still use a Pi4 more than my Pi5s, only because it's portable and I keep the Pi5s at home. More of a screen issue and it's more convenient to have audio out built in for the boombox the pi4 is on. Since I use the 4 as a daily with Android it really needs every little bit. Where I stopped using the Pi4 was for desktop use. TH-cam, forums, that kind of thing, Pi5 seems to be much much better and kills it with downloads, or transferring between USBs. I started switching to Samsung BARs as the price got closer between the 2 on storage and the speeds were better on the BAR. Now the next ones I'm looking for will probably be M.2 but if not, 512GB. The games just keep getting bigger.
i m not into this stuff but this video was pretty interesting....handling jaguar and saturn emulation this well is no small feat indeed...for the rest, yes.. go get a mini pc if u dont even own a decent gaming rig xD
For me, it's not about affording a gaming rig, I have one of those. I used a mini PC on my big bedroom TV for all my streaming stuff, some light PC gaming and some big TV emulation. Those are things I used to use stuff like Pis and Android devices for in the past. Right now, cheap mini PCs just make more sense for that stuff price and performance-wise.
I'm actually considering the newest orange pi 5... pro, I think? It's not that much about the strength of the board, and while compatibility, price, and performance are important the focus is still on the portability and being able to run linux.
I'm trying to make a handheld/phone-like thing, but since for now I lack the knowledge to actually make a custom pcb, I'm just gonna put it together with off-the-shelf stuff and a wee bit of customization. Only doing that because, yes, I want it to be portable, I don't want it ONLY for gaming, and I want it running linux. The project starts with a pi4, but I'm still wondering what I should use to improve it if I want to.
Also, some people just make bloated images and say stuff runs better on their image - I want a clean image with every said improvements and none of the flair and bloat. Just the barebones stuff. This is about making it yourself to some extent, and I will compile stuff, configure files, and put custom data where necessary, but how far does it need to go to actually improve to its fullest potential? If someone already did it, why not spread the info anyway instead of - you know - putting it behind a paywall? I can imagine the full image with all the stuff that needs a full TB ssd is a lot of work and sure, good on them for having people pay for that. I don't want that, release the foundation, dammit.
Yeah, I rarely mess with premade images. I just don't want a bunch of options set for me that I probably don't want to use. As for the standard orange pi 5, I may do a video on that one in the near-ish future and how it compares to the raspberry pi 5 for retro stuff. This won't be the new model of the orange pi 5 pro or whatever they're calling it, though 😁.
I have 2 orange pi plus boards. One I bought to run openwrt and act as my router.
Unfortunately, although the rk3588 is a smoking chip, linux support is still not the greatest.
This is due to the GPU. It's a fantastic GPU but the drivers for linux is still not quite there. Under linux 6.10, things got better but still no vulkan support yet...
Even openwrt gave me problems and I wound up replacing it with an n100 mini pc with 16gb of ram, 512gb nvme and dual 2.5gb ethernet ports which set me back $200. Less than the opi 5 plus with case and ssd.
I have great hope for the platform once the software matures. It definitely runs circles around the rpi 5.
@@leonoliveira8652 arcade punks is not behind a paywall.. You just need to be a registered user to download the content. You have a choice of torrent, nzb or direct download.
Since sbcs can use sd cards or usb drives, the pre-built images can easily be booted separately. They can be useful to show you what is possible and give you a chance to dissect the configuration and learn how it works. This is most useful when trying to DIY your own build.
I have experience spinning up my own setups with retropi, batocera and launchbox. They take a lot of work and never perform as well as a pro release. Retroarch, in particular, is a world unto itself. It takes rime to learn its ins and outs. A pre-built image can be useful to help you learn some best practices.
There are other, smaller builds that can provide a good starting point.. I just happened to choose the 1tb image because I had a spare 1tb external nvme.
Currently I'm playing with the 12tb retrobat setup which is being released in stages. I just happened to have a spare 16tb external drive to play with. Yes, it's windows based, which is not ideal, but I can use it for enjoyment while I tinker with my own builds.
@@leonoliveira8652 the opi pro has faster memory. The plus has more io and a full rk3588... The pro has a rk3588s, which has less io... The plus has 2 hdmi out and 1 hdmi in and dual 2.5gb ethernet ports and comes on a larger pcb. If you want to use the board for more homelab type things, the plus is a better choice. For gaming and such, the pros faster memory will probably be best.
Pricing is skewed a bit there, you can pick up a Raspbery Pi 5 8gb desktop kit, which even includesd a keyboard and mouse as well as your usual starter kit, for £130 :p
It's not my pricing.
Example 1: shorturl.at/uyOFE
Example 2: shorturl.at/USh1J
Example 3: shorturl.at/uVM2U
Example 4: shorturl.at/2K9FX
Example 5: shorturl.at/WqioZ
Example 6: tinyurl.com/km3tnedd
There are cheaper kits, too, but they usually come with smaller memory cards, worse cases/cooling options or are missing things that would be handy (or depending on your use case possibly necessary) to have.
At minimum people are in for about $120 for the bare essentials if they're buying a kit.
Couldn't it be a problem with Lakka instead of the Pi itself? Recallbox also has a pi5 version, it would be interesting to see if it performs better with it.
General performance hasn't been much different between Lakka, Batocera, and running stuff straight from Raspberry Pi OS. I don't know if I'll do another video on it, but others have shown similar results in their own videos.
Well...I mean, the Raspberry Pi might not be really competitive anymore but I think it's still much better than the average android phones used for emulation
The depends entirely on which android devices you're talking about.
Performance on even some cheap phones, under the $150 or so mark, CAN be way better than a Pi 5. Or way worse. Depends on the phone.
Sup mate, question after seeing the Lakka website in your video: are you using an ad blocker? I ask because navigating to the Lakka website on my phone without ad blocker there are a ton of ads which makes navigating through the site a bit difficult at times. Thanks.
Yes, I've had AdBlocker+ on my main desktop for a long time. Just checked the lakka site on mobile and yeesh, you're right. It's pretty rough with a lot of ads. It's not that bad on other desktops I've used even without ad blockers so I don't know what's up with that.
@@InglebardGaming Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I don't remember it being this bad a few years ago, so that has me thinking whether it's intentional or not. If it's intentional to earn some cash it's fine, but if the site got hacked somehow to display all those random ads then that might be a problem. Could you reach out to Lakka and ask them? Cheers
Still has it's uses but, no longer a viable emulation device. I moved to a GMKtec G5 N97 Tiny NUC. it's proving to be everything i wished the Pi 5 was.
Yeah, for general purpose devices and emulation, I think the Pi has outlived any usefulness it used to have. Unless they get a powerful low cost version out, I think its future will be with industrial applications and educational stuff only.
Nice video, glad I went for a Mister over the Pi5, I hate config pain and it sounds like this has plenty. It's a good point you make about the mini pc's, I've been eyeing them since your Beelink review. Seems the Pi is no longer economically viable
I went with a Beelink SER7 and it runs everything I need. I’m not sure of the advantage of a Mister over a mini PC, I spent about the same or less, and it supports Dreamcast and later, which the Mister cannot do.
It was mainly for the analogue output for my CRT's, the Mister was perfect for that. I have a nice Batocera image I'll use on a mini PC one day, for now it just runs on an old chunky desktop...
@@piccolo1976 That makes sense, I’m sure the Mister works much better with getting proper double-strike 240p type video modes. I used to use a modded Wii for the same reason, but sadly its video capacitors are worn out.
Mini PCs definitely changed from being a joke to being great for the price over the course of just a few years.
I'm planning on giving Taki Udon's Mister clone a try after seeing early reviews first to make sure there are no problems with it!
@thetechn1que518 Ahh the dreaded capacitor rot, I hope you can get your Wii sorted. I've had my PC E, MD and SNES all capped, would love to get my PVM done as well at some point. Mister certainty looks nice on that 😅
Yikes @ all those issues.
You don't know the half of it. I cut about 10 minutes out of this video where I showed and talked about a bunch of the specifics. I thought it made the video too long and people wouldn't really care.
Most of your issues stem from Not
Optimizing the emulators from watching ur video. No need to
Over over clock. Common mistake for
Most people. GameCube runs fine it’s not the pi. Ps2 runs fine and most Wii games.
I mentioned in the video I tried it both with and without the overclock. Lakka had the same problems without the overclock that it did with it. This is a video specifically about Lakka on the Pi 5. And GameCube and PS2 do not "run fine" on it very few games run at full speed on those systems without frameskipping or using hacks like lowering the virtual CPU speeds, turning off various features or using PAL isos. This is true of every OS I've seen running on the Pi 5.
Some operating systems will run some of the systems here better than others, but none of them are a silver bullet to get top tier emulation out of those systems.
The issues I discussed also are unrelated to "not optimizing the emulators." I went through the Lakka options for Dolphin extensively and tried everything possible to get better performance.
Still, if you have video of someone getting "fine" performance out of GameCube and PS2 specifically on Lakka on the Pi 5, I'll allow a link here, because I've never seen it. Fine performance by my standards is a full 60fps virtual framerate without cranking down visual quality settings. I'm always willing to accept that something screwy may have happened, but I tested with multiple Lakka installs on multiple memory cards, including one that was unopened and brand new.
@@InglebardGaming all the emulators in laka r the same as any other build and front end. There was an image maker named boobooman who came to the same conclusion about batocera. That GameCube and Wii was crap. He didn’t optimize any of the emulators and I have it running better than his image. Most of these newer systems will all require tinkering there aren’t like the older emulators and games that don’t need adjustment. Anything such as sega Saturn n64 ps2 GameCube Wii will all need it especially on an arm based chip using Linux. Running a demo at default settings is fine but it’s possible to have everything running better than u have it here. U don’t need hacks or frame skipping to accomplish it. When the pi5 first came out many said ps2 wouldn’t work. They were proven wrong a few days later because most videos r people rom dumping and not optimizing anything and then saying it doesn’t work. I don’t know if lakes added ps2 but there’s over 800 I tested and verified that works fine as well as many using the dolphin emulator.