I won't try to badmouth you about it but you left out a key problem with the fighters history lawsuit. Fighters History is a sequel to Data East's classic arcade game: Karate Champ of which many ideas were copied from it and put into the original Street Fighter 1. Including the fact that both playable characters wore a red gui for player 2 and a white gui for player 1; as well as the Martial arts mini games between matches.
It's not badmouthing to just point something out. I was just covering the crux of the judgement because other videos have gone into detail on the subject and I didn't want to spend more than a couple of minutes on it. If I ever do a whole video on it (unlikely), I'd cover everything about the lawsuit
@@therone7107 lol, it doesn't matter if it's a 'sequel', it copied the SF2 control scheme, several characters, several special moves and it even got them sued by Capcom. Even the interrupting combo system is practically identical to SF2 and unlike anything Data East did before. They copied what Capcom did with the music where you have stage music and then critical versions of songs when someone's health gets low - that wasn't prior DE games. The idea that Fighter's History is anything other than a ripoff is laughable. I don't even dislike the game, but they clearly set out to copy SF2 and they did it down to the smallest details. Any defense that ignores the facts of the engine, game design, elements, control schemes, similar music design with critical songs and more is pretending reality doesn't exist.
love the concept on this one! for all the ones I was well versed in (Fighter's History, Great Giana Sisters) there were some I hadn't considered! Next episode definitely has to include MK and some of the ultra-gory ripoffs it inspired, like bloodstorm or time killers!
Well, there's a difference between just making a one on one fighter and making a total ripoff of SF2. There are plenty of ripoffs, but also plenty that I'd say are original enough to not be labelled as ripoffs.
Fun fact. The guy who created Rolling Thunder left Namco and eventually joined Capcom. Where he created Codename: Viper. So in a bizarre twist, Capcom ripped off Namco due to an employee's lack of originality.
This sort of stuff happened a few times, where a creator left and then tried to make something similar for another company. Another recent example for my channel was the video I did on Cannon Dancer Osman, which was made by the director of Capcom's Strider for another company and was definitely a bit "inspired" by Strider!
Great topic dude! 👍 I’d add Oscar on the SNES which is a blatant rip-off of Strider. There’s also the arcade game Demon Front which is a… ahem “homage” to Metal Slug. If you ever revisit this topic, they’d be great inclusions. I have a couple of videos on my channel where I play them too. :)
Nice video, would like to see more of these! I've never heard of Galatic Storm, must play that sometime. I always thought Hybris on the Amiga ripped off Terra Cresta, but it had such great music! I must also confess to enjoying Rolling Thunder on the Spectrum at the time 😅
Had no idea about some of these. Wish I knew there was a Rolling Thunder on NES as a kid, really liked that arcade game. There was always something more exciting about getting an arcade game for home. I definitely remember getting the NES version of the Turtles arcade game, SF2, and (sweaty)MK on SNES lol Oh, and my grandma definitely referred to all game systems as Nintendos, although she would usually pronounce it without the first N for some reason.
Hey sorry for the late reply, thought I'd already replied to you. There's so much stuff out there its pretty much impossible for anyone to have run across all of it! My relatives never called everything a Nintendo, but I saw it all the time at my freinds' houses during that era. I even rarely ran across people calling it "intendo" like you mentioned too, lol.
It's interesting that Sega had a Genesis version of Mercs made but then made a Merc's clone for the arcade & didn't have it ported to the Genesis. For Street Fighter 2, I was totally thinking you were going to cite Strip Fighter 2 for the PC Engine. Though from recollection I think it's more of a clone/parody in name than in game. Also, another game that might be a ripoff of Rolling Thunder is Sunsoft's City Hunter for PC Engine. At least it looks like one but I haven't gotten around to really playing with it much. There's an English patch for it so I'll eventually get around to playing through it.
Yeah, but Sega made the right decision, Mercs was WAY better! Strip Fighter isn't a pure ripoff of SF II like Fighter's History. Like you said, it's more like a parody than a ripoff game. City Hunter plays and feels differently enough that I don't think it can be considered a clone/ripoff of Rolling Thunder.
If you want to hear some super interesting trivia, while the Arcade version of Rolling Thunder was created by Namco, they didn't actually make the NES port themselves. They outsourced the work to Arc System Works, yes THAT Arc System Works way back in 1988 when they were a newly formed and tiny company of about 8 people. Many of those employees came in with experience after having worked for Sega prior and their first project at around that same time as Arc was their port of Double Dragon for the Master System. But get this...even though Capcom published Code Name: Viper guess who was also contracted to work on that game? Arc System Works. That's why they both have virtually identical gameplay in speed and precision to where I wouldn't be surprised if they simply reused or recycled the same Famicom Rolling Thunder engine for Code Name. 😇
Ha, yeah, I have to admit that I'd known about the development history BUT had forgotten about it. It might be worth revisiting just this game alone with a lot more detail down the road!
Roilling Thunder - The reason the computer ports sucked is that they let Tiertex get their hands on it. Tiertex were incompetent hacks that in my opinion, never made a single good game. Codemane Viper - I would think the "ick" factor would come from the fact that your guy isn't wearing pants. Did nobody look at the graphics before this game was released? Galaxy Force II - And then Titus made a crappy ripoff called Galactic Conqueror for the computers of the time, such as the Amiga, and DOS.
I actually had Rough Ranger at my local bowling alley, a terrible Rolling Thunder ripoff where you could tell they drew over the actual sprites from the RT.
Thanks for pointing out that the so called video game crash was a phenomenon unique to the US market not felt elsewhere. So many videos act as if it was global. In reality Nintendo's particular success in the US comes from recognizing the hole in the market over there left over from the collapse of the local video game market. They didnt so mich "save video games" as exploit the opportunity of a lifetime.
I try to keep everything as accurate as possible here. Obviously, I'm not infallible so mistakes will show up on occasion but I always own them and insert corrections when necessary, too. I admit it drives me a little nuts to see people just put out bad or wrong info and never address it while their videos go on to get thousands or even millions of views, but what can you do?
Overall it's a more complex game and it definitely looks and controls better. I do kinda hate having to find the bomb before you can exit a level, but other than that it's pretty good.
0:44 "They" would be the Irish Playwright and Author Oscar Wilde; the full quote is "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness".
@@Robert_Shmigelsky I'd say Dungeon Explorer is unique enough to just avoid ripoff status. If you want to see real Gauntlet ripoffs, check out the Garrison games on the Amiga!
I'm sure its rare when pirated games overdo the originals, but in the case of Street fighter VI 12 peoples (NES pirate), it outdid its counterpart by a milestone. Infact, I literally grew up thinking it was the original, I would love to see it covered here.
Capcom look like massive hypocrite crybabies. Ripping off Rolling Thunder like that but then drag Data East to court when they rip off Street Fighter 2 with Fighters History. Although to be fair, Data East were the WORST at either ripping games off directly or ripping off aspects of pop culture to insert into their games.
Yeah, the whole story on Codename Viper is pretty crazy, might be worth telling some day. Capcom hired one of the main creatives behind RT and he headed up Viper!
I played desert breaker on my astro city mini v..and didnt find it uber offensive..ofc, outzone on that system is way better...i own fighter's history on the snes and its quite a good game albeit all the ripoff u say....i played giana sisters on my c64 mini...bleargh....
I wanted to like Desert Breaker, but I just don't. It's got some good ideas here and there, but they just aren't executed well. They could have had a great run and gun, but focused too much on weird effects. Also, having several shorter levels instead of three really long ones would have made it a much better game.
Oh boy! You truly missed a horrid rip off of Rolling Thunder. The game is named "Rough Rangers" by Suna 1988🤣🤣🤣 That was an awful rip off of "Rolling Thunder"
I know it! I talked about it in another comment already. This is just the first episode of this series. I could have also brought up stuff like Wrath of Black Manta but haven't yet 😁
You know you’re watching a youtuber that has very little knowledge of what he tries to cover when he goes the same places. Korean Rough Ranger is a more blatant rip-off of Rolling Thunder than Codename: Viper ever was and released much more earlier. Galaxy Force is actually the rip-off of Star Wars from Atari, based in the movie. Street Fighter I was a rip-off of Hiryūvno Ken/Shanghai Kid from 1984, all the way down to the hard to pull super attacks which included a Flying spinning kick. Top view shooters were rippin-off Sasuke vs. Commander, released years before Senjō no Ōkami, prequel to Senjō no Ōkami II, which was released sometime after Super Contra which also featured power ups. Next time, just stream.
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning. Literally nothing you said here matters or "disproves" that the games I showed as ripoffs were. Having more than one ripoff of a game doesn't magically invalidate all the others and every game shown here was specifically patterned after the ones that I showed..so try harder next time and thanks so much for watching!
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I won't try to badmouth you about it but you left out a key problem with the fighters history lawsuit. Fighters History is a sequel to Data East's classic arcade game: Karate Champ of which many ideas were copied from it and put into the original Street Fighter 1. Including the fact that both playable characters wore a red gui for player 2 and a white gui for player 1; as well as the Martial arts mini games between matches.
It's not badmouthing to just point something out. I was just covering the crux of the judgement because other videos have gone into detail on the subject and I didn't want to spend more than a couple of minutes on it. If I ever do a whole video on it (unlikely), I'd cover everything about the lawsuit
@@InglebardGamingIt was never a rip off though. Street Fighter was the rip off. Fighters History was a sequel. Get your story straight.
@@therone7107 lol, it doesn't matter if it's a 'sequel', it copied the SF2 control scheme, several characters, several special moves and it even got them sued by Capcom. Even the interrupting combo system is practically identical to SF2 and unlike anything Data East did before. They copied what Capcom did with the music where you have stage music and then critical versions of songs when someone's health gets low - that wasn't prior DE games. The idea that Fighter's History is anything other than a ripoff is laughable.
I don't even dislike the game, but they clearly set out to copy SF2 and they did it down to the smallest details. Any defense that ignores the facts of the engine, game design, elements, control schemes, similar music design with critical songs and more is pretending reality doesn't exist.
love the concept on this one! for all the ones I was well versed in (Fighter's History, Great Giana Sisters) there were some I hadn't considered! Next episode definitely has to include MK and some of the ultra-gory ripoffs it inspired, like bloodstorm or time killers!
There's no shortage of stuff to cover for this topic!
Every arcade game publisher came out with their own Street Fighter 2 rip off from 1992 and later.
Well, there's a difference between just making a one on one fighter and making a total ripoff of SF2. There are plenty of ripoffs, but also plenty that I'd say are original enough to not be labelled as ripoffs.
Fun fact. The guy who created Rolling Thunder left Namco and eventually joined Capcom. Where he created Codename: Viper. So in a bizarre twist, Capcom ripped off Namco due to an employee's lack of originality.
This sort of stuff happened a few times, where a creator left and then tried to make something similar for another company. Another recent example for my channel was the video I did on Cannon Dancer Osman, which was made by the director of Capcom's Strider for another company and was definitely a bit "inspired" by Strider!
Great topic dude! 👍
I’d add Oscar on the SNES which is a blatant rip-off of Strider. There’s also the arcade game Demon Front which is a… ahem “homage” to Metal Slug. If you ever revisit this topic, they’d be great inclusions. I have a couple of videos on my channel where I play them too. :)
I'll definitely revisit the topic in the future. It's VERY fertile ground.
Nice video, would like to see more of these! I've never heard of Galatic Storm, must play that sometime. I always thought Hybris on the Amiga ripped off Terra Cresta, but it had such great music! I must also confess to enjoying Rolling Thunder on the Spectrum at the time 😅
Enjoying Spectrum Rolling Thunder? GROSS, lol. I can't complain too much, I played quite a bit of the god awful Amiga version!
@InglebardGaming Wasn't that bad, sometimes there were more than 3 colours on screen at once!!
Oooo... Avatar is Dances With Wolves... SOOOOO EDGY. Nobody mentions where it really ripped its story & beats... Ferngully, thank you. 😅
I'll take more episodes if this is going to be a new series.
Looks like it's doing pretty well, so there should be more of these in the future!
9:40 Dude! You included a clip from one of my all-time favorite shows: MXC.
I like you.
The Captain says his piece in every video these days 😁
I knew you were going to bring up Great Giana Sisters when I saw you were going to talk about Super Mario Bros. lol
Of course! The devs were flat out TOLD by the publisher to ripoff SMB 😁
Imitation is a sincerest form of flattery... until I sue you for copyright infringement.
Had no idea about some of these. Wish I knew there was a Rolling Thunder on NES as a kid, really liked that arcade game. There was always something more exciting about getting an arcade game for home. I definitely remember getting the NES version of the Turtles arcade game, SF2, and (sweaty)MK on SNES lol Oh, and my grandma definitely referred to all game systems as Nintendos, although she would usually pronounce it without the first N for some reason.
Hey sorry for the late reply, thought I'd already replied to you. There's so much stuff out there its pretty much impossible for anyone to have run across all of it! My relatives never called everything a Nintendo, but I saw it all the time at my freinds' houses during that era. I even rarely ran across people calling it "intendo" like you mentioned too, lol.
It's interesting that Sega had a Genesis version of Mercs made but then made a Merc's clone for the arcade & didn't have it ported to the Genesis.
For Street Fighter 2, I was totally thinking you were going to cite Strip Fighter 2 for the PC Engine. Though from recollection I think it's more of a clone/parody in name than in game.
Also, another game that might be a ripoff of Rolling Thunder is Sunsoft's City Hunter for PC Engine. At least it looks like one but I haven't gotten around to really playing with it much. There's an English patch for it so I'll eventually get around to playing through it.
Yeah, but Sega made the right decision, Mercs was WAY better!
Strip Fighter isn't a pure ripoff of SF II like Fighter's History. Like you said, it's more like a parody than a ripoff game.
City Hunter plays and feels differently enough that I don't think it can be considered a clone/ripoff of Rolling Thunder.
I was there when you covered desert breaker...
That was a long while back! Thanks for stickin' around!
If you want to hear some super interesting trivia, while the Arcade version of Rolling Thunder was created by Namco, they didn't actually make the NES port themselves. They outsourced the work to Arc System Works, yes THAT Arc System Works way back in 1988 when they were a newly formed and tiny company of about 8 people. Many of those employees came in with experience after having worked for Sega prior and their first project at around that same time as Arc was their port of Double Dragon for the Master System. But get this...even though Capcom published Code Name: Viper guess who was also contracted to work on that game? Arc System Works. That's why they both have virtually identical gameplay in speed and precision to where I wouldn't be surprised if they simply reused or recycled the same Famicom Rolling Thunder engine for Code Name. 😇
Ha, yeah, I have to admit that I'd known about the development history BUT had forgotten about it. It might be worth revisiting just this game alone with a lot more detail down the road!
Even though I love BOTH games, Dante's Inferno is basically God of War 2.5! At least they did the game right. I just subscribed as well!!
Thanks and welcome! Dante's Inferno could easily be in a future episode in this series!
We liked Gianna sisters more the super Mario bros and thought it was cooler
Roilling Thunder - The reason the computer ports sucked is that they let Tiertex get their hands on it. Tiertex were incompetent hacks that in my opinion, never made a single good game.
Codemane Viper - I would think the "ick" factor would come from the fact that your guy isn't wearing pants. Did nobody look at the graphics before this game was released?
Galaxy Force II - And then Titus made a crappy ripoff called Galactic Conqueror for the computers of the time, such as the Amiga, and DOS.
Oh yes, I have discussed Tiertex many times on the channel. I have a special way of saying their company name, lol.
@@InglebardGaming Tiertex stands for Totally Incompetent Excrement, Really Taken to Embarrassing eXtremes. :)
I actually had Rough Ranger at my local bowling alley, a terrible Rolling Thunder ripoff where you could tell they drew over the actual sprites from the RT.
Ha, yeah, I think I saw that in the wild just one time.
Nice theme!
Well I played a few Space Invaders and Pacman rip-offs on the Apple II, but nobody cares about them.
I could probably fill a year's worth of episodes with 8-bit computer arcade game ripoffs 😁
Thanks for pointing out that the so called video game crash was a phenomenon unique to the US market not felt elsewhere. So many videos act as if it was global. In reality Nintendo's particular success in the US comes from recognizing the hole in the market over there left over from the collapse of the local video game market. They didnt so mich "save video games" as exploit the opportunity of a lifetime.
I try to keep everything as accurate as possible here. Obviously, I'm not infallible so mistakes will show up on occasion but I always own them and insert corrections when necessary, too. I admit it drives me a little nuts to see people just put out bad or wrong info and never address it while their videos go on to get thousands or even millions of views, but what can you do?
I love Code Name: Viper, more than the Rolling Thunder NES port.
Overall it's a more complex game and it definitely looks and controls better. I do kinda hate having to find the bomb before you can exit a level, but other than that it's pretty good.
Oh and the real SF2 rip-off is World Heroes. I think SNK even admitted to such.
World Heroes is also a SF2 ripoff. There's no shortage of SF2 ripoffs! Still, it's not AS blatant as Fighter's History 😁
fighters history has insane graphics.
maybe not insane but slightly crazy.
Smb2 isn't smb its doki doki panic... that's my contribution
True, of course, but not really a ripoff. It's an officially sanctioned reskin of ddp.
0:44 "They" would be the Irish Playwright and Author Oscar Wilde; the full quote is "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness".
...I said it the way I did in the video to inject a little silliness. The video wasn't about the history of the quote!
Only Gauntlet/Dungeon Explorer comes to mind for me, but I prefer the latter anyway.
@@Robert_Shmigelsky I'd say Dungeon Explorer is unique enough to just avoid ripoff status. If you want to see real Gauntlet ripoffs, check out the Garrison games on the Amiga!
I'm sure its rare when pirated games overdo the originals, but in the case of Street fighter VI 12 peoples (NES pirate), it outdid its counterpart by a milestone. Infact, I literally grew up thinking it was the original, I would love to see it covered here.
Street fighter 6? On the nes? Lmao vI is 6 bro...
@@slingshotdon I know, this was the early 2000's and I was probably 8 haha
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Capcom look like massive hypocrite crybabies. Ripping off Rolling Thunder like that but then drag Data East to court when they rip off Street Fighter 2 with Fighters History. Although to be fair, Data East were the WORST at either ripping games off directly or ripping off aspects of pop culture to insert into their games.
Yeah, the whole story on Codename Viper is pretty crazy, might be worth telling some day. Capcom hired one of the main creatives behind RT and he headed up Viper!
Yep
Galactic storms graphics are awesome! Play it quite a lot. But obviously galaxy force is plays better
It's OK. Looks nicer for its time. For games inspired by GF though, I like Soul Star more 😁
@@InglebardGaming soul star is an absolute favourite and I play that about once a week!
You should see rough ranger for mame, yet another Rolling Thunder clone.
I played desert breaker on my astro city mini v..and didnt find it uber offensive..ofc, outzone on that system is way better...i own fighter's history on the snes and its quite a good game albeit all the ripoff u say....i played giana sisters on my c64 mini...bleargh....
I wanted to like Desert Breaker, but I just don't. It's got some good ideas here and there, but they just aren't executed well. They could have had a great run and gun, but focused too much on weird effects. Also, having several shorter levels instead of three really long ones would have made it a much better game.
Sweet....
good concept.
keep going !
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Why am I thinking about Ashens?
Great.
Thanks!
Oh boy! You truly missed a horrid rip off of Rolling Thunder. The game is named "Rough Rangers" by Suna 1988🤣🤣🤣 That was an awful rip off of "Rolling Thunder"
I know it! I talked about it in another comment already. This is just the first episode of this series. I could have also brought up stuff like Wrath of Black Manta but haven't yet 😁
No not the travesty 😂😂
Insane!!!
You know you’re watching a youtuber that has very little knowledge of what he tries to cover when he goes the same places.
Korean Rough Ranger is a more blatant rip-off of Rolling Thunder than Codename: Viper ever was and released much more earlier.
Galaxy Force is actually the rip-off of Star Wars from Atari, based in the movie.
Street Fighter I was a rip-off of Hiryūvno Ken/Shanghai Kid from 1984, all the way down to the hard to pull super attacks which included a Flying spinning kick.
Top view shooters were rippin-off Sasuke vs. Commander, released years before Senjō no Ōkami, prequel to Senjō no Ōkami II, which was released sometime after Super Contra which also featured power ups.
Next time, just stream.
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning. Literally nothing you said here matters or "disproves" that the games I showed as ripoffs were.
Having more than one ripoff of a game doesn't magically invalidate all the others and every game shown here was specifically patterned after the ones that I showed..so try harder next time and thanks so much for watching!