Thanks so much for covering this man. If he'd just reached out and said he was unhappy that those 2-3 seconds look similar, I'd have happily cut them. And I've tried emailing him several times to see if there's some way we could sort this out between us, but he ignored the question. (I've later found out he has a history of stuff like this from back when he ran PowerTV MCN, but that's a whole different rabbit hole). The problem I have is he immediately went to filing 3 strikes so my channel will get deleted. And while I am countering (as I have no other choice), I can't post videos while the strikes are under review, and the next step is he could now file a lawsuit. Ordinarily a creator would obviously never do that over literally a few SECONDS of footage, but he does have a history of lawsuits. And even if you're in the right it can be a really long expensive process still. Whilst I don't think my videos deserved to be taken down in the first place, I'm still willing to make whatever changes would make him happy. I just don't want to lose my entire channel. Despite the channel name this isn't some big media company, I'm just a guy making videos with a few freelance editors who help me - and this channel is my entire livelihood. Surely there has got to be a different solution here? Thanks again to everyone for sharing this, I really do appreciate it.
When writing my Bachelor's on Computer Engineering mine and a few of my peers works were flagged by an algorithm because we explained the same abbreviation. Like what the fuck do you want from us, yes, those words in this exact order is what it is?? We can't just remix the abbreviation willy-nilly??
I had a professor run essay’s through some program to ensure less then 15% was copied or plagiarized. The only part of it that got highlighted were common phrase like ‘it is.’ I kid you not, so what you’re imagining to me is a situation I could honestly see. Also the professor agreed with the program which to me was nuts. Guess we can’t write it is anymore or therefore. Then again not sure what to think on a health class professor who uses Dr Oz sites for a good chunk of the course.
I experienced something similar, resulting in a lower grade. It was just a 20 line summary and involved material used from a Wikipedia article. Contacted my English teacher by phone. We´re still best friends today, because the grade did not matter to me even though I passed. What did matter was the knowledge and experience gained from being on the course and following the course material.
@@Stanna44 Doubtful. It's really difficult to explain specific things in terms no one else has used before. Had this issue in a medical class, we had to describe a melanoma in the intro of our essay. What is a melanoma? It's a type of skin cancer, specifically in melanocytes. Do you know how many different websites have used those exact words? Thousands. It also doesn't matter how much you remix it "melanoma is a cancer that begins in melanocytes", "melanocytic-derived cancer is also known as melanoma", etc, someone out there has already done it a thousand times. You'll pretty much always be flagged for plagiarism on definitions because definitions are rigid, unless it's an abstract concept with a loose definition.
This isn’t drama. This is criminal and bullying. Alex needs to lose this and lose *hard*, there needs to be a precedent set for dealing with scum bags like him.
Honestly it just seems like this Alex A-hole is just weaponizing YTs broken copyright system to try and get rid of any channel he sees as competition to his own (well the channel he bought, not created). And since from all the videos I've seen on this topic theres really no negative repercussions for issuing a false strike so if youre morally bankrupt then why the F not use it to your own advantage. So far, at least from what I've seen, those who have been issuing false strikes to either silence criticism or to cull possible competition are the ones who are winning since the only consequence they suffer is having a few negative videos made about them. Hell if I ran a business and I could do something that's just straight up wrong or illegal to silence my critics or lessen my competition and all it would cost me is a little bad press for a week or 2 I would do so without hesitation so its not surprising that this keeps happening and will continue happening unless YT or other channels step in. What i mean by other channels stepping in is that as soon as a channel acts in bad faith and tries to take down another channel using false claims then a bunch of other channels should immediately inundate YT with claims against the channel that started it, even if they're all false as well since again there's no consequences. I've seen videos where channels have received claims from random people just trying to essentially steal revenue or get a channel they don't like taken down and, besides 1 person who pretended yo be Bungie, nothing happens to the people who filed the false claims (and in the Bungie example it wasn't YT who went after the abuser but Bungie themselves so again theres no punishment for abusing the system and imo the only way to make it stop is to let abusers know that if they falsely claim any content then a ton of other channels will collectively do the same to them). Maybe seeing literally a false copyright war break out on their platform will finally force YT to deal with this BS and increase their own punishments for false claims. Imo if a channel issues a false claim(s) thats proven to be false then the channel issuing the false claim should at best recieve the same amount of strikes they tried to falsely issue at best or just have their channel immediately taken down without appeal at worst.
Unless this is tested in the courts and someone actually does win against copyright trolls, this kind of thing is just gonna keep on happening no matter how many times guys like Muta or Charlie bring up. But if it actually comes to it, I hope MagnatesMedia is ready to fight this in court and we'll all be rooting for them all the way.
It's like how they tried to cancel Ed Sheeran just this month because he "stole a black artist's music" and sued him for millions. Then as it turns out (obviously) he did nothing of the sort, the songs were totally different, and they had no case and lost. Sheeran has been very vocal about squashing out bullshit lawsuits and getting people to change the industry.
@@MrWolfSnack bro the song shared the exact same bass line and drum rhythms, the chord progressions were very similar and so were the melodies. Not saying Sheeran plagiarized Marvin Gaye or Ed Townsend’s work but the songs share the same ingredients and sound very similar.
@@Zom13y Yes because the songs are both in the pop soul ballad grouping of music. If you're not using that very limited assortment of bass, drum, and note arrangements as those songs then you'll accidentally just stumble into an entirely different genre. Tropes in sub-genres often make songs arrange and sound extremely similarly and the limitations of those genres can be used as a false smoking gun such as cases like these. You cannot claim to own a genre-signifying collection of tropes. That would destroy the entirety of music production as we know it.
@@Zom13y Whether we can say a person or person's that CREATED a genre can potentially "own" it is a different story entirely. It should be known who created and innovated a certain genre or sub-genre of music, but saying Ed Sheeran plagiarized is very ignorant of basic music theory analysis of pop soul ballads. Or even just look at a collection of doo-wop songs. Most sound plagiarized. In fact Ed Townsend's doo-wop songs sound incredibly plagiarized to other doo-wops but its that trope of genre-defining aspects that make it sound that way.
I mean people have gotten killed for similarly minor stuff pretty often. Killed while sleeping, killed for air fresheners hanging from the rear view, killed for picking up a bb gun in a Walmart, etc.
Because TH-cam can't fix it. If they fixed it then they'd get sued by larger corporations. It's Copyright law that's at fault that's stopping YT from being able to do anything else. It's not actually the fault of YT.
i love how false copyright strikes have been a problem on youtube for years and years, its always over looked but it can genuinely ruin someone's career.
We do have to put a lot of blame on TH-cam too for allowing this system to be abused, a strike can be appealed by reaching out to the person striking but if they ignore you, the strike will stay, youtube automated this shit and now people can’t do anything about it other than try to hope the other person has some sort of soul left in them. And the fact that anyone can just spam this and terminate a channel that someone has worked so hard and long for just with the click of a button, it’s scary…
Why are you surprised? You guys cried when people hurt your feelings online and thus, gave corporations like Google unlimited power to silence free speech under new laws passed to protect corporate interests. Welcome to being a Democrat/Liberal/Communist, you can lose everything because of what one person accuses you of, regardless of proof.
Oh my god that's horrible you can just find some guy who slightly offended you and get rid of their channel by one button click as if your a president or something.
TH-cam needs to add a requirement of proof of rights holdership before a strike can be issued. Some sort of positive proof before a dmca strikes can be filed, and manual review
This is psychotic, but these stories will never stop coming as long as TH-cam does their copyright claim system the way they currently do. Requiring the claimer to provide absolutely no proof of their claim is ridiculous. It would be like sending someone to prison for murder because someone else said they did it, and not have any sort of trial or evidence or testimony, or anything, just immediately send them to prison.
It's crazy how much this is overlooked, TH-cam had always had a problem with false copyright strikes but have never did anything about it. This makes me genuinely upset for some creators.
Looong time ago, you could contest fake strikes with much more success. I had done it before because I received false strikes from some nobody company. That was several, several years ago, however, and it's nearly impossible to contest anything being done to your channel now.
Oh good you put genuinely i almost thought you were not genuine. I genuinely mean that i genuinely love when you genuinely use the word genuinely. Its so genuinely nice.
@notfiveo RT America was a Russian propaganda channel, they were taken down because Russia invaded Ukraine, like how most big companies stopped dealing with Russia, TH-cam also stopped 'dealing' with them by taking down RT America.
This is heartbreaking, my heart goes out to MagnatesMedia and I do hope they’re able to keep the channel. But giving THREE false copyright strikes is vile
I dunno Charlie,…I mean,….have you seen Alex’s video where he & bbno$ go to a Taylor Swift concert and make awesome self portraits for her fans? Because I saw yours - and they are eerily similar sir - down to the incredibly skilled artwork of the individual “swifties.” 😂 Kidding man. This guy is a complete idiot! Let’s just hope he spends a ton of money on legal fees,….AND loses even more in a settlement/counter suit to Upper Echelon - (if it goes that far). Keep,up the good work sir! (The VIDEOS & your CONTENT Charlie,…NOT the self portraits! Lol.). ✌️ 😏 ✌️
What TH-cam needs is a 3 Strike Policy for false claims. Why should the people who use lies to harass, steal from, and attempt to shut down valuable content creators be allowed to stay on this platform?
I still think it's crazy that people can copyright strike a channel 3 times and having it getting taken down without anybody reviewing the content before hand, and then people have to come to TH-cam with torches and pitchforks for them to notice the frigging problem, also someone should add the dude to villains wiki page ngl
Scums like this don't even deserve to be honored like that. He should be at least forced to pay compensation for the damaged he caused, that is, if he doesn't have to be in jail!
Why are you surprised? You guys cried when people hurt your feelings online and thus, gave corporations like Google unlimited power to silence free speech under new laws passed to protect corporate interests. Welcome to being a Democrat/Liberal/Communist, you can lose everything because of what one person accuses you of, regardless of proof.
They cant fix it The copyright system is broken not by bugs or bad design... But by law Thats what people dont understand the copyright system is working as intended its the law that is broken
MagnatesMedia was the last TH-camr I was expecting to get into any drama. But jokes aside, Magnates is a great and underrated TH-camr. I hope nothing bad happens to him.
TH-cam is mainstream now. The empire has taken notice. The puppet masters are controlling some creators. There are research black ops going on constantly now. The drama looks like a well orchestrated scheme from those aristocrats behind the curtain of fancy technology. It's constant and edgy. I used to think it was still organic. But the way the barage of it is hitting so perfectly makes me doubt things are accidental anymore. Gone are those days I'm afraid. The backlash frenzy effect and the social justice machine we see here is also a force to be reckoned with. But rest assured there are people benefiting from all this who are completely invisible on the platform.
Recently, Nikokado Avocado also copyright claimed and TERMINATED popular meme TH-camr Kracc Bacc. He terminated him for using scenes from his videos, even though Kracc Bacc followed Fair Use (he transformed the videos more then most meme youtubers would), he still had his channel taken away for months. It was a very similar situation, and it would be great if you could cover it.
@Kuspanov Ablay are you high m8? You are talking to yourself, it's a bot Also, anyone would say it to his face no worries hahahahahaha, you can't be serious Man is 5'6, he's a small man nobody would be scared to talk to Your comment makes him sound like Broly hahaha
Nothing a content creator understands more is to not false copyright strike another channel. It’s about time TH-cam started to take action towards the false strikers.
@@icanhazgoodgame3845 That and YT is politically motivated too. So this helps them remove channels they don't like that they can't normally outright ban.
@Broseph Broman While I definitely think Google has a political bias, they don't need to false strike channels to get rid of them. They just suppress the ones they don't like or outright delete them like they did to Alex Jones for example. They don't fiz the problem because they don't care about it because it isn't directly costing them money and to try and fix the issue would open them up to an insane number of potential lawsuits.
Technically it is, but unfortunately copyright abuse isn't something the government particularly cares about, so there aren't a lot of clear laws regarding it.
TH-cam has to finally change their claims system. It consistently rewards those who abuse it - even monetarily (!!!). That they haven't been sued over it is crazy to me
As a big fan of Magnates media and Penguinz0, I’m glad to see Charlie use his clout to try bring more light to a good person, being put in a bad situation by a bad character. C’mon TH-cam sort this out and send Magnate an apology.
@@DeepEye1994 Eh, he's free to have it, I just think it's definitely not the move to take sides with various countries in the midst of wars as if they're teams to be cheered for in a sports game. It's just weird. You don't know these people nor do you know the leaders or what their motives are or what the purpose of the war is. Besides, I'm sure this person is only for Ukraine because they've been told through the media that it's the only moral and trendy thing to do.
@@faithdarkrealm Support Ukraine just because it's fighting Russia. No better reason. 😎 Ukraine was invaded because it wanted to join the EU and leave Russian trade. Just because they're flawed doesn't mean we should be apathetic, doing so indirectly supports Russia and everything that they've been doing which is exponentially worse then whatever Ukraine has done.
I hope this lawsuit changes the legal ramifications for this behavior. Way too many copyright trolls out there. It should NOT be a business model. It hurts EVERY business.
Deregulation would allow for more freedom of speech. Less legal ramifications would allow people to choose instead of forcing companies to censor out of fear.
Honestly, I feel really bad for this guy. I have never been a big youtuber, but I had a channel with 1500+ subscribers that I was looking to Monetize and build something off of. I was hacked (in the same way Linus was hacked) and the hacker imitated an existing brand with my account. While I was in youtube's long recovery process, they terminated the account from zero strikes for trademark violation. I had no information on what the hacker actually did, I had to try and file an appeal and they would give me no information on what happened. After making me wait for four weeks, despite confirming that my account was stolen, they refused to return to me my account. It was a year of work I put into it, and it was gone in a flash, and TH-cam / Google couldn't have been more apathetic to what happened. Business Casual is a monster for hitting him with the intent to destroy his channel like that. His abuse only works because of how automated and hands off google is, he knows there's no real reason for him to be doing what he's doing. When I lost my account, I lost a year of work and will never allowed to be monetized again, I can only imagine what Magnates is going through with all the effort he's put into his content. I wish him all the luck in the world through his appeals. Nobody deserves to be subject to going through this process with how miserable, agonizing, and little chance for recourse there is.
@@LeHazy long story short he downloaded a virus thinking it was related to a sponsorship, in this case it would be downloading the same virus due to another reason
My friends and I had 5k subs way back in 2010 and we lost the account because on the one who posted our vids on the channel got hacked through his xbox account so I feel your pain.
I hate how TH-cam won't protect their creators from false copyright strikes like these. Imo no action should be taken before a thorough investigation of the claims and counterclaims have been performed. Malicious abuse of the system is rampant at this point, both from trolls and abusive companies.
TH-cam is not the arbitrator of what is copyright and what is fair use. The judicial system is. Google is just playing by the rules US Congressmen and women made.
TH-cam only focused on the favors of advertisers who are overstaying their welcome with their scams instead of supporting the creators. Considering that the YT Team barely fixed everything (from letting the bots loose to removing the dislike numbers) says a lot about capitalism.
You should 100% do more videos on upper echlons content, he's one of the best journalists out there and a lot of the topics he covers are things that most people just never even thought had ever existed. They're very entertaining too, he does a very good job at making these topics engaging and easy to digest without skewing anything or making changes.
TH-cam really needs to start having some type of penalty for these false copyright claims. The channels doing this should be permanently suspended if it’s shown that they are knowingly using this to destroy other channels hard work. Most of my favorite channels have left because they can’t speak freely anymore and they clearly are pushing small channels out when they built this platform into what it is.
youtube should... idk check the strikes by requiring to send the striked's content, the strikee's content and what's similar, then proceed to compare the 2 and see if they are truly similar before adding a strike to the channel, improve the copyright system so this doesn't happen again
Thank you for talking about this Charlie. I saw Muta's video on it this morning and I have been hoping that some bigger creators would talk about it. This kind of nonsense is a threat to every content creator on the platform!
I found magnates about a month ago and binged the entire channel immediately. Some of the best stuff on the website. Seeing everything blow up the past couple of days and now Charlie addressing the problem is just infuriating. Maybe this will wake youtube up to fix things.
Copyright law needs to be fixed not YT. YT can't do anything more unless copyright law itself changes. If they do then YT is opening themselves up to potential lawsuits from large corporations.
@@rox3725 To me it looks like the bigger fish is eating the small fish, in this situation. The sub count tells that story. Can't beat out the little fish the proper way? I mean by producing better content. Being underhanded is the lazy way.
Magnates Media is literally one of the only channels I've been heavily invested in since I came across it, I love the content style and in-depth explanation of various businesses and companies that he puts out and now I feel this is just such a low blow to a content creator that doesn't deserve this at all...I hope he gets justice for his channel coz I'd definitely hate to see his channel go, it would genuinely infuriate me seeing one of my favorite YT channels getting terminated for no reason. And Charlie, thanks for covering this topic. Please, TH-cam, do something about this mess!!
Let’s together spread the word and support John and Magnates Media. This is the best documentary style videos channel on this platform today, and John is the guy who put in tremendous amount of work for growing it. No one should be able to take the work of his life from him!
Glad you're talking about this Charlie. This man has been undoing all the progress that's been done in the past few years around fair use protection and DMCA abuses on the TH-cam ecosystem, and just because he's been targeting a big channel like Russia Today first, especially at a time when the anti-Russia sentiment was higher than ever because of the war in Ukraine, people have been giving him a pass.
Charlie, thank you so much for talking about this. I genuinely love watching magnatesmedia’s videos and I think you talking about this is going to help him in the long run. So on behalf of one of my favorite content creators, thank you.
I'm thankful for covering this issue I've heard of this issue tackled by Upper Echelon and based from viewers engagement it still ain't sufficient, and so I'm glad the likes of Mutahar and Charlie has brought the issue for a broader audience. I yearn this community response brings positive to TH-cam
Poor guy, I really hope that with us making a big hoopla about this TH-cam will hopefully step in & at least let him keep his channel. Too bad that historically TH-cam isn't really known to actually enforce the punishments in their own written policies towards people who abuse the copyright strike system to this degree so let's see if we can make this the first one.
What would be great is for a bunch of big successful youtubers like Charlie, Mutahar to band together and offer to fund any legal action required to smaller channels against assholes like this. They could reclaim these costs by counter-suing them once they inevitably win. I think I remember Muta already offering to do this before for someone which was awesome.
Thanks for covering this Charlie, as a big fan of Magnates media and your own channel. This is a conversation needed on platforms like yours! Really appreciate it!
That type of claim abuse should even be punished, you shouldn't be able to falsely accuse someone, legally threaten them, and when proven wrong get away with it like nothing happened.
But a better question: why TF do you care? This is like Media posting stories of horrible things, it literally doesn't effect you, like why do you care? Is it escapism? I'm not saying Cr1tikal doesn't have good takes and shit, but people getting up in arms about random shit he says is baffling....I assume you're not an adult and by that I mean like less than 25....teens are not the cutoff
@@TheBfutgreg just bec something doesn't affect you doesn't prevent you from having an opinion on it it's not escapism, escapism is going online and bashing people for having an opinion about something so that you feel better about yourself
@@TheBfutgreg why care about anything in that case? almost anything people do outside of their real lives falls under the category you’re saying they shouldn’t care about.. they aren’t absolutely losing their minds or something about it, why do you care is a better question
@@TheBfutgreg hmm let me ask why people care about a school shootings when it doesn’t effect them or me, or even why should I care if I see someone get kidnapped in front of me so long as It’s not happening to me or my family why should I care if they are sold and raped? Oh that’s right it’s called empathy and a basic human emotion that forms society at a foundational level that without caring or sticking up for others it wouldn’t work as it would be everyone trying abuse each other without consequences like what’s happening. Now why do YOU care so much about what others care about to the point of insulting everyone and using age gap to discredit anyone with a good argument. I’ve seen teens that absolutely destroy people in their 50 in argument or debates but you want to chalk it up to age which has no baring in most arguments at all. Honestly the fact you couldn’t figure out why we as a social species care about something as bad as abuse of power is very concerning. Sorry but everything you just wrote makes you sound like a child with no knowledge on basic concepts such as community’s or why we stick up for one another and fight against corruption which none of this should have to be explained to one who claims to be so grown up but here we are.
Honestly, when these bad faith copyright zombies try to strike other channels with absolutely no justification, there needs to be some sort of punishment. Especially for those big creators who won't be hurt by a lawsuit. There needs to be some incentive from TH-cam to prevent these kind of power trips
I commented on magnates channel earlier when he posted a comment about this. IM SO GLAD YOU MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS. I love magnates medias videos and i know how much work he puts into his videos. Like the fact that this Alex person is trying to get his channel shut down because hes jealous or whatever is insane and shouldnt be allowed at all. I really hope something gets done because id be so SO upset if magnate's channel gets shut down because of this.
I hope Magnates Media gets some exposure and doesn't get struck down, personally I love his videos because they give some really good insight into the biggest businesses in the world and how they came about and I highly recommend watching some of his videos
TH-cam really needs to update the copyright strike rules. A few weeks back, Vlogging through History received two copyright strikes from CPG Grey for seemingly no reason. The nuclear option should not be available until after some kind of mediation process.
As with alot of things in life. The problem is that there are no repercussions for the person claiming copyright strikes on someone if they are found to be false. There should be a review board at TH-cam that looks over DCMA strikes and if, by arbitration of parties involved, find the claim to be false, the claiming party should have a resulting strike against them. There is nothing like this now and I can see why... TH-cam doesn't want to waste time or money policing the platform. I get that... but in that case have an appointed board of volunteer veteran creators be the arbitrators.
This reminds me of the iilluminaughtii situation, where she tried to publicly shame a literal lawyer (LegalEagle) over editing techniques. Because of that, her past coworkers finally had the courage and the momentum to share their horrible past experiences with her.
Yeah. I lost my respect on her after that, albeit her videos before the whole controversial situation are informative still (especially for the Corporate Casket series), but I guess "seperate art from the artist" is going to be my option.
This is a little like the legal eagle situation where a commentary channel claimed his editor stole their style of editing. It was super common editing techniques and really the editor just reached out for some tips on what plugins they used But the difference here is Blaire didn't like strike his channel, she just posted about it on Twitter and got roasted to hell
@@mk_gamíng0609 I fail to see how that's a problem. Yes, if a good platform progressively gets shit after people move there, then we move somewhere else. Where's the issue with this moving mentality? It solves the greatest issue right now, which is giving a single company a monopoly and sticking by them no matter how awful it becomes. People just need to learn to budge.
It may not affect you now. Many also didn't care about Hitler and didn't think he'd effect their lives. Next thing you know a bomb is sitting in their living room.
You know Charlie's passionate about something when he uses such foul language as "Dirty Barnaces" He's the only TH-camr that can get away with that without getting demonitized.
Somebody needs to take somebody to court over this so that people realize they can't do this shit. It's too bad adin ross chickened out after hasan threatened him because that would have been a perfect opportunity.
Usually happens to smaller creators… and even when it’s bigger ones the amount of money it would cost to to take it to court wouldn’t be worth it. What really needs to happen is for youtube to get their shit together and fix their broken ass system…
2:32 and this is why you make more than one TH-cam channel so u can promote your second channel while still uploading on your main channel so it's like nothing happened they can just reupload or make new videos for his second channel
You don't. If they make it legal then you're just screwed, a legitimate tactic these absolute troglodytes use is just filing bull**** lawsuits to waste time and money. Being rich enables you to legally bully people into submission and it's pathetic. TH-cam makes that worse by humoring them.
Hey Charlie, lol. TH-cam is crazy man. I streamed my first stream on here the other week and got a strike for being a "scam" and "deceptive practices". Then I was banned from streaming. I won the appeal, but still. This stuff is nuts. I hope the channel gets justice on this issue. Cheers. 💩
I would love to see your take on the Kotaku Tears of the Kingdom situation. A Kotaku writer inadvertently or purposefully posted something on Twitter that insinuated a racially motivated threat to the very much Japanese Nintendo staff. It’s wild and I’d love to see more attention brought to it.
It never occured to me a lawsuit can be both frivolous, *and* malicious. It's like he's doing it to go viral, except the courts cam punish him for that far more than he benefits.
I really wish more people would fight back on fraudlent takedowns. So glad Charlie keeps talking about it; maybe it'll get more people to counternotice.
I still remember when Alex had people begging Charlie and Muta to make a video supporting him. I was like nah bro, keep them away from your sh*tty scheme.
I was under the impression that the strikes have to be decided on before a channel's deletion. I can't believe this hasn't already been a problem. So any creator can get any channel they want deleted on a whim?
I’ve been subscribed to MagnatesMedia for over a year now, and I saw his posts today about the situation. It’s insane how someone can get your channel terminated with ease and TH-cam doesn’t do a thing about it
I love that Charlie uploads daily. Even if it's only been 19 seconds it's made my day better Edit: if you think that this was meat riding, do these 3 things in your life, 1. Get a job, 2. Touch grass, and 3. Cook yourself a meal for once and get off grub hub you monitor manglers
Thanks so much for covering this man. If he'd just reached out and said he was unhappy that those 2-3 seconds look similar, I'd have happily cut them. And I've tried emailing him several times to see if there's some way we could sort this out between us, but he ignored the question. (I've later found out he has a history of stuff like this from back when he ran PowerTV MCN, but that's a whole different rabbit hole).
The problem I have is he immediately went to filing 3 strikes so my channel will get deleted. And while I am countering (as I have no other choice), I can't post videos while the strikes are under review, and the next step is he could now file a lawsuit. Ordinarily a creator would obviously never do that over literally a few SECONDS of footage, but he does have a history of lawsuits. And even if you're in the right it can be a really long expensive process still.
Whilst I don't think my videos deserved to be taken down in the first place, I'm still willing to make whatever changes would make him happy. I just don't want to lose my entire channel. Despite the channel name this isn't some big media company, I'm just a guy making videos with a few freelance editors who help me - and this channel is my entire livelihood. Surely there has got to be a different solution here?
Thanks again to everyone for sharing this, I really do appreciate it.
This is absolutely disgusting i really hope you can fight back man
Hi
Dont back down
Best of luck to you. I sincerely hope you get your channel back, because these were obviously fraudulent strikes.
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Imagine writing a 100 page thesis and getting expelled because half a sentence matched something from a wikipedia page you never visited
When writing my Bachelor's on Computer Engineering mine and a few of my peers works were flagged by an algorithm because we explained the same abbreviation. Like what the fuck do you want from us, yes, those words in this exact order is what it is?? We can't just remix the abbreviation willy-nilly??
I had a professor run essay’s through some program to ensure less then 15% was copied or plagiarized. The only part of it that got highlighted were common phrase like ‘it is.’ I kid you not, so what you’re imagining to me is a situation I could honestly see. Also the professor agreed with the program which to me was nuts. Guess we can’t write it is anymore or therefore. Then again not sure what to think on a health class professor who uses Dr Oz sites for a good chunk of the course.
I experienced something similar, resulting in a lower grade. It was just a 20 line summary and involved material used from a Wikipedia article. Contacted my English teacher by phone. We´re still best friends today, because the grade did not matter to me even though I passed. What did matter was the knowledge and experience gained from being on the course and following the course material.
@@AlleonoriCat sounds like you literally copy pasted the definition of the abbreviation
@@Stanna44 Doubtful. It's really difficult to explain specific things in terms no one else has used before. Had this issue in a medical class, we had to describe a melanoma in the intro of our essay. What is a melanoma? It's a type of skin cancer, specifically in melanocytes. Do you know how many different websites have used those exact words? Thousands. It also doesn't matter how much you remix it "melanoma is a cancer that begins in melanocytes", "melanocytic-derived cancer is also known as melanoma", etc, someone out there has already done it a thousand times. You'll pretty much always be flagged for plagiarism on definitions because definitions are rigid, unless it's an abstract concept with a loose definition.
It's honestly shocking there hasnt been any major legal action taken over false copyright claims yet
@夏吉林 not how it works
Ethan from H3H3 podcast
Wasn't there a big one by h3h3?
It's a real Godslap in the face
@CeedayGaming proof ?
This isn’t drama.
This is criminal and bullying.
Alex needs to lose this and lose *hard*, there needs to be a precedent set for dealing with scum bags like him.
Honestly it just seems like this Alex A-hole is just weaponizing YTs broken copyright system to try and get rid of any channel he sees as competition to his own (well the channel he bought, not created). And since from all the videos I've seen on this topic theres really no negative repercussions for issuing a false strike so if youre morally bankrupt then why the F not use it to your own advantage.
So far, at least from what I've seen, those who have been issuing false strikes to either silence criticism or to cull possible competition are the ones who are winning since the only consequence they suffer is having a few negative videos made about them. Hell if I ran a business and I could do something that's just straight up wrong or illegal to silence my critics or lessen my competition and all it would cost me is a little bad press for a week or 2 I would do so without hesitation so its not surprising that this keeps happening and will continue happening unless YT or other channels step in. What i mean by other channels stepping in is that as soon as a channel acts in bad faith and tries to take down another channel using false claims then a bunch of other channels should immediately inundate YT with claims against the channel that started it, even if they're all false as well since again there's no consequences. I've seen videos where channels have received claims from random people just trying to essentially steal revenue or get a channel they don't like taken down and, besides 1 person who pretended yo be Bungie, nothing happens to the people who filed the false claims (and in the Bungie example it wasn't YT who went after the abuser but Bungie themselves so again theres no punishment for abusing the system and imo the only way to make it stop is to let abusers know that if they falsely claim any content then a ton of other channels will collectively do the same to them). Maybe seeing literally a false copyright war break out on their platform will finally force YT to deal with this BS and increase their own punishments for false claims. Imo if a channel issues a false claim(s) thats proven to be false then the channel issuing the false claim should at best recieve the same amount of strikes they tried to falsely issue at best or just have their channel immediately taken down without appeal at worst.
I mean, they could just have a large majority of subscriber leave, and tank the channel. 🤷
The personalities are a distraction. The problem is with TH-cam.
@@jman217 nope, it's illegal
Someone needs to make an example of him.
Thanks for the shoutout Charlie, and thanks for talking about this topic. Alex can’t ignore this once the Moist one enters the chat.
Get MOIST!
@Patrick39 I tolerate your opinion but you wouldn’t stand against MoistCr1tical
The critikilally moist man has all the power in the multiverse
@Patrick39 But you ain’t even close to Charles White. Not in a million years.
You deserve the shoutout man
The fact that youtube still hasnt figured out a way to solve these copyright issues is beyond my understanding.
They don’t care. The fact that they haven’t figured it out hasn’t affected their bottom line.
TH-cam must be drunk lol
It doesn't make some ad company or corporation money to do anything about it. So why bother.
I reported your comment for terroristic threats. Why? Why not?...
They keep it in place so they can selectively enforce it.
I’m thankful for Charlie getting me invested in internet drama I didn’t know about
ok
@Joseph #Biden2024 nah he lied, my animal videos are better
@Joseph #Biden2024 nobody
Same bro
And didn't care about
Unless this is tested in the courts and someone actually does win against copyright trolls, this kind of thing is just gonna keep on happening no matter how many times guys like Muta or Charlie bring up. But if it actually comes to it, I hope MagnatesMedia is ready to fight this in court and we'll all be rooting for them all the way.
It's like how they tried to cancel Ed Sheeran just this month because he "stole a black artist's music" and sued him for millions. Then as it turns out (obviously) he did nothing of the sort, the songs were totally different, and they had no case and lost. Sheeran has been very vocal about squashing out bullshit lawsuits and getting people to change the industry.
@@MrWolfSnack bro the song shared the exact same bass line and drum rhythms, the chord progressions were very similar and so were the melodies. Not saying Sheeran plagiarized Marvin Gaye or Ed Townsend’s work but the songs share the same ingredients and sound very similar.
@@Zom13y lol this is not the hill you want to die on bro. marvin gaye ain't gonna come out of the grave and pay you money for defending him lol.
@@Zom13y Yes because the songs are both in the pop soul ballad grouping of music. If you're not using that very limited assortment of bass, drum, and note arrangements as those songs then you'll accidentally just stumble into an entirely different genre. Tropes in sub-genres often make songs arrange and sound extremely similarly and the limitations of those genres can be used as a false smoking gun such as cases like these. You cannot claim to own a genre-signifying collection of tropes. That would destroy the entirety of music production as we know it.
@@Zom13y Whether we can say a person or person's that CREATED a genre can potentially "own" it is a different story entirely. It should be known who created and innovated a certain genre or sub-genre of music, but saying Ed Sheeran plagiarized is very ignorant of basic music theory analysis of pop soul ballads. Or even just look at a collection of doo-wop songs. Most sound plagiarized. In fact Ed Townsend's doo-wop songs sound incredibly plagiarized to other doo-wops but its that trope of genre-defining aspects that make it sound that way.
Getting your channel deleted for 10 seconds of a video is like getting the death sentence for jaywalking. how has youtube still not fixed this stuff??
Accept it was just someone falsely reporting jaywalking
the thing is, youre allowed to have those 10 seconds of something in your video. its false claims.
I mean people have gotten killed for similarly minor stuff pretty often. Killed while sleeping, killed for air fresheners hanging from the rear view, killed for picking up a bb gun in a Walmart, etc.
Because TH-cam can't fix it. If they fixed it then they'd get sued by larger corporations. It's Copyright law that's at fault that's stopping YT from being able to do anything else. It's not actually the fault of YT.
@@TH-camSupportSucks the last one?
i love how false copyright strikes have been a problem on youtube for years and years, its always over looked but it can genuinely ruin someone's career.
Bot
Wow, someone makes fake scam free Robux videos.
Why do you love that?
Raise your hand if you don’t like Adurite
Bro bought his account 💀
We do have to put a lot of blame on TH-cam too for allowing this system to be abused, a strike can be appealed by reaching out to the person striking but if they ignore you, the strike will stay, youtube automated this shit and now people can’t do anything about it other than try to hope the other person has some sort of soul left in them. And the fact that anyone can just spam this and terminate a channel that someone has worked so hard and long for just with the click of a button, it’s scary…
Bots and AI can never do a proper job like a human would
This why I say Fok yewtoob
Why are you surprised? You guys cried when people hurt your feelings online and thus, gave corporations like Google unlimited power to silence free speech under new laws passed to protect corporate interests. Welcome to being a Democrat/Liberal/Communist, you can lose everything because of what one person accuses you of, regardless of proof.
Oh my god that's horrible you can just find some guy who slightly offended you and get rid of their channel by one button click as if your a president or something.
TH-cam needs to add a requirement of proof of rights holdership before a strike can be issued. Some sort of positive proof before a dmca strikes can be filed, and manual review
This is psychotic, but these stories will never stop coming as long as TH-cam does their copyright claim system the way they currently do. Requiring the claimer to provide absolutely no proof of their claim is ridiculous. It would be like sending someone to prison for murder because someone else said they did it, and not have any sort of trial or evidence or testimony, or anything, just immediately send them to prison.
Sooo...The Witch Trials in a nutshell
Hmmm i think you just described my country's justice system.
They probably benefit in some way.
It's crazy how much this is overlooked, TH-cam had always had a problem with false copyright strikes but have never did anything about it. This makes me genuinely upset for some creators.
Looong time ago, you could contest fake strikes with much more success. I had done it before because I received false strikes from some nobody company. That was several, several years ago, however, and it's nearly impossible to contest anything being done to your channel now.
Oh good you put genuinely i almost thought you were not genuine. I genuinely mean that i genuinely love when you genuinely use the word genuinely. Its so genuinely nice.
And Alex isn't fixing it, he's abusing it more.
It's like TH-cam wants us all to rather use rumble
@notfiveo RT America was a Russian propaganda channel, they were taken down because Russia invaded Ukraine, like how most big companies stopped dealing with Russia, TH-cam also stopped 'dealing' with them by taking down RT America.
This is heartbreaking, my heart goes out to MagnatesMedia and I do hope they’re able to keep the channel. But giving THREE false copyright strikes is vile
Nope, it's not vile - it's illegal
°he
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 Both? Both is good.
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942people like you
Thank you for this, Charlie. You're a good man for standing up for John, his content quality rivals major television production!
Tbf most channels are
@@hollowslayer6252 ... ofc they don't, you just see top youtube content, imagine all the garbage that's bellow.
@@santiar117true but there’s also a lot of shows that are as bad as a Jake Paul music video
🤖🤖🤖
I dunno Charlie,…I mean,….have you seen Alex’s video where he & bbno$ go to a Taylor Swift concert and make awesome self portraits for her fans?
Because I saw yours - and they are eerily similar sir - down to the incredibly skilled artwork of the individual “swifties.” 😂 Kidding man. This guy is a complete idiot! Let’s just hope he spends a ton of money on legal fees,….AND loses even more in a settlement/counter suit to Upper Echelon - (if it goes that far). Keep,up the good work sir! (The VIDEOS & your CONTENT Charlie,…NOT the self portraits! Lol.). ✌️ 😏 ✌️
What TH-cam needs is a 3 Strike Policy for false claims. Why should the people who use lies to harass, steal from, and attempt to shut down valuable content creators be allowed to stay on this platform?
It's crazy how Charlie's always finding drama that I've never heard about but when I go look it up it's been going on for the past several week.
@CeedayGamingi highly disagree
He literally has a chat of thousands feeding him information to look into. ITs sO cRAzYyYyY
@@cjisnthere people still reply to these bots?
@Joseph #Biden2024 charlie did fall off but youre a bot
@@exitium4929 i was just bored lol
This isn't out of control "drama", it's a crime.
It's not remotely a drama. Alex is a sociopath and planned all this from the start.
@Patrick39 YOU SAID ONCE NOW SHUT UP, MOISTCR1TICAL IS NOT FOR YOU
@Patrick39 nuh uh ☝🏽
@dominichateseveryone the only correct answer to bots 👍
I still think it's crazy that people can copyright strike a channel 3 times and having it getting taken down without anybody reviewing the content before hand, and then people have to come to TH-cam with torches and pitchforks for them to notice the frigging problem, also someone should add the dude to villains wiki page ngl
lmao yeah add him to the villains wiki page
Scums like this don't even deserve to be honored like that. He should be at least forced to pay compensation for the damaged he caused, that is, if he doesn't have to be in jail!
Yea that’s crazy. There’s probably no consequences for false strikes either.
Why are you surprised? You guys cried when people hurt your feelings online and thus, gave corporations like Google unlimited power to silence free speech under new laws passed to protect corporate interests. Welcome to being a Democrat/Liberal/Communist, you can lose everything because of what one person accuses you of, regardless of proof.
dont give that cuck notoriety
Harassment is becoming more and more justifiable whenever these nutjobs decide to let their ego take over
If people sued everyone for “similar content” then the only fast food option would be McDonalds which is a world I do not want to live in.
Dude same McDonald's is dog shit
White castle was the first fast food place, so white castle would be the only place.
Not the worst
@@Sourcet even worse
@@Sourcetprobably not, since mcdonalds is just well, richer.
It is crazy that TH-cam *still* hasn't fixed the copyright issue
What's just as infuriating is that TH-cam hasn't fixed the bot problem, as you see here ^
The world will end and TH-cam still won't care .
They cant fix it
The copyright system is broken not by bugs or bad design... But by law
Thats what people dont understand the copyright system is working as intended its the law that is broken
TH-cam never fixes anything bruh
@@valletas wow I didn't know that
It’s cool to see Upper Echelon appreciated by such a large TH-camr. I’ve watched him from his gaming news days and he is a very talented researcher.
Great to see that youtube still hasn't fixed one of the biggest problems it has had for over a decade.
But thank god they RAN to get rid of the public like/dislike ratios and SuperChats are totally an not broken system. /s
First Blair and now this guy… I’m hoping we can all band together and get rid of this toxicity.
Illuminaughtii?
@@Keen_Edge Yes.
Blair? Can I get some context for this?
Edit: oh no what did she do lmao
Second Edit: just read the replies and watched Click's video, what a bitch
@@AngelBirdo Just search it up, you're in for a treat (And probably finding new ppl to sub to like I did)
@@AngelBirdo she tried to mald at LEGAL EAGLE for a similar editing style
MagnatesMedia was the last TH-camr I was expecting to get into any drama.
But jokes aside, Magnates is a great and underrated TH-camr. I hope nothing bad happens to him.
TH-cam is mainstream now. The empire has taken notice. The puppet masters are controlling some creators. There are research black ops going on constantly now. The drama looks like a well orchestrated scheme from those aristocrats behind the curtain of fancy technology. It's constant and edgy. I used to think it was still organic. But the way the barage of it is hitting so perfectly makes me doubt things are accidental anymore. Gone are those days I'm afraid. The backlash frenzy effect and the social justice machine we see here is also a force to be reckoned with. But rest assured there are people benefiting from all this who are completely invisible on the platform.
@Patrick39 ok my guy
His channel is getting terminated, what else is there to happen
Recently, Nikokado Avocado also copyright claimed and TERMINATED popular meme TH-camr Kracc Bacc. He terminated him for using scenes from his videos, even though Kracc Bacc followed Fair Use (he transformed the videos more then most meme youtubers would), he still had his channel taken away for months. It was a very similar situation, and it would be great if you could cover it.
TH-cam really acts as if they don't have control of their own platform. Any human can see that these strikes are a waste of time.
I love that Charlie calls out these scumbags and it almost always helps the tables turn on them, as they should
Saw this on Upper Echelon...I'm glad to see bigger channels picking this up and spread the story and abuse of the strike system.
"this storys got me boiling i am heated"
He says in a calm collected manner
Big ups to Upper Echelon for calling him out straight away and seems to have got the ball rolling on the bigger channels calling him out
@Patrick39 Maybe you are right in your way but you won’t even dare to say it to MoistCr1tical
@Kuspanov Ablay are you high m8?
You are talking to yourself, it's a bot
Also, anyone would say it to his face no worries hahahahahaha, you can't be serious
Man is 5'6, he's a small man nobody would be scared to talk to
Your comment makes him sound like Broly hahaha
I’m thankful for Charlie’s ability to get me invested in any internet drama
I love when people steal other’s comments but change them just enough to pass as original.
@夏吉林 you just blow in from stupid town?
@Syakirin.34.Wtf are you on abouts😂
@@SlightlyLuxsame
Yes it worked
Thanks for covering this!
No problem
This is the kind of drama that just unites everybody.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm happy to see you here lol.
@@SpicyBaguettecouldn't have done it without you
shur up bro your literally greasy
@Beesechurger_73 WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!?!
Everyone who creates is so vulnerable on TH-cam. People making these claims need to be held accountable as well and it is slander and fraud.
Charlie makes the most amazing analogies for any situation. Today it's the splash zone, tomorrow it's the poopy ring.
Nothing a content creator understands more is to not false copyright strike another channel. It’s about time TH-cam started to take action towards the false strikers.
The time was 8-10 years ago. TH-cam doesn't care because it by defaults protects branded channels and traditional media corporations.
@@icanhazgoodgame3845 That and YT is politically motivated too. So this helps them remove channels they don't like that they can't normally outright ban.
@@brosephbroman7564 what political motivation could TH-cam have to ban someone through copyright strikes?
@Broseph Broman While I definitely think Google has a political bias, they don't need to false strike channels to get rid of them. They just suppress the ones they don't like or outright delete them like they did to Alex Jones for example. They don't fiz the problem because they don't care about it because it isn't directly costing them money and to try and fix the issue would open them up to an insane number of potential lawsuits.
What this dude is doing, is what a lot of people seem to forget, is really _illegal._
Malicious litigation?
Doesn't matter if it never goes to court though
Technically it is, but unfortunately copyright abuse isn't something the government particularly cares about, so there aren't a lot of clear laws regarding it.
TH-cam has to finally change their claims system. It consistently rewards those who abuse it - even monetarily (!!!). That they haven't been sued over it is crazy to me
“i have absolutely no evidence for my claims, but i want you to issue the worst punishment possible, because i said so”
TH-cam: sure ig
As a big fan of Magnates media and Penguinz0, I’m glad to see Charlie use his clout to try bring more light to a good person, being put in a bad situation by a bad character.
C’mon TH-cam sort this out and send Magnate an apology.
You gotta change that pfp my guy. 😭 Embarrassing.
@@faithdarkrealm What's wrong with it?
@@DeepEye1994 Eh, he's free to have it, I just think it's definitely not the move to take sides with various countries in the midst of wars as if they're teams to be cheered for in a sports game. It's just weird. You don't know these people nor do you know the leaders or what their motives are or what the purpose of the war is. Besides, I'm sure this person is only for Ukraine because they've been told through the media that it's the only moral and trendy thing to do.
@@faithdarkrealm It's actually pretty simple. One attacked the other, so obviously, unless you're a total asshole, you would cheer for the other.
@@faithdarkrealm Support Ukraine just because it's fighting Russia. No better reason. 😎
Ukraine was invaded because it wanted to join the EU and leave Russian trade. Just because they're flawed doesn't mean we should be apathetic, doing so indirectly supports Russia and everything that they've been doing which is exponentially worse then whatever Ukraine has done.
I hope this lawsuit changes the legal ramifications for this behavior. Way too many copyright trolls out there. It should NOT be a business model.
It hurts EVERY business.
Deregulation would allow for more freedom of speech. Less legal ramifications would allow people to choose instead of forcing companies to censor out of fear.
How can it be allowed that someone copyright strikes you for using the same image they used WHEN THEY DONT EVEN OWN THE IMAGE??
Honestly, I feel really bad for this guy. I have never been a big youtuber, but I had a channel with 1500+ subscribers that I was looking to Monetize and build something off of. I was hacked (in the same way Linus was hacked) and the hacker imitated an existing brand with my account. While I was in youtube's long recovery process, they terminated the account from zero strikes for trademark violation. I had no information on what the hacker actually did, I had to try and file an appeal and they would give me no information on what happened. After making me wait for four weeks, despite confirming that my account was stolen, they refused to return to me my account. It was a year of work I put into it, and it was gone in a flash, and TH-cam / Google couldn't have been more apathetic to what happened.
Business Casual is a monster for hitting him with the intent to destroy his channel like that. His abuse only works because of how automated and hands off google is, he knows there's no real reason for him to be doing what he's doing. When I lost my account, I lost a year of work and will never allowed to be monetized again, I can only imagine what Magnates is going through with all the effort he's put into his content. I wish him all the luck in the world through his appeals. Nobody deserves to be subject to going through this process with how miserable, agonizing, and little chance for recourse there is.
Sorry to hear about your channel man, hope your doing well
Remind me how Linus was hacked, I've got a sieve for a brain and he's been compromised a couple times now I think.
@@LeHazy long story short he downloaded a virus thinking it was related to a sponsorship, in this case it would be downloading the same virus due to another reason
@@jay8586 ahhhh cheers for the info
My friends and I had 5k subs way back in 2010 and we lost the account because on the one who posted our vids on the channel got hacked through his xbox account so I feel your pain.
I hate how TH-cam won't protect their creators from false copyright strikes like these. Imo no action should be taken before a thorough investigation of the claims and counterclaims have been performed. Malicious abuse of the system is rampant at this point, both from trolls and abusive companies.
TH-cam is not the arbitrator of what is copyright and what is fair use. The judicial system is. Google is just playing by the rules US Congressmen and women made.
TH-cam only focused on the favors of advertisers who are overstaying their welcome with their scams instead of supporting the creators. Considering that the YT Team barely fixed everything (from letting the bots loose to removing the dislike numbers) says a lot about capitalism.
@2 Corinthians 4:7-11 bro….shut up
You should 100% do more videos on upper echlons content, he's one of the best journalists out there and a lot of the topics he covers are things that most people just never even thought had ever existed. They're very entertaining too, he does a very good job at making these topics engaging and easy to digest without skewing anything or making changes.
SJW CULTURE IS RUINING GAMING
I'll check em out
Can confirm, Upper Echelon is goated. His content has been top notch.
He’s a g
TH-cam really needs to start having some type of penalty for these false copyright claims. The channels doing this should be permanently suspended if it’s shown that they are knowingly using this to destroy other channels hard work. Most of my favorite channels have left because they can’t speak freely anymore and they clearly are pushing small channels out when they built this platform into what it is.
youtube should... idk check the strikes by requiring to send the striked's content, the strikee's content and what's similar, then proceed to compare the 2 and see if they are truly similar before adding a strike to the channel, improve the copyright system so this doesn't happen again
Thank you for talking about this Charlie. I saw Muta's video on it this morning and I have been hoping that some bigger creators would talk about it. This kind of nonsense is a threat to every content creator on the platform!
I found magnates about a month ago and binged the entire channel immediately. Some of the best stuff on the website. Seeing everything blow up the past couple of days and now Charlie addressing the problem is just infuriating. Maybe this will wake youtube up to fix things.
Pretty disappointing to see this happening, youtube really needs to get it together with the copyright strike system
Why? Little fish eating big fish. That's all it is. More on.
Copyright law needs to be fixed not YT. YT can't do anything more unless copyright law itself changes. If they do then YT is opening themselves up to potential lawsuits from large corporations.
It's because copyright laws solely exist to screw over everyone who isn't a corporation.
They never will
@@rox3725 To me it looks like the bigger fish is eating the small fish, in this situation. The sub count tells that story. Can't beat out the little fish the proper way? I mean by producing better content. Being underhanded is the lazy way.
Magnates Media is literally one of the only channels I've been heavily invested in since I came across it, I love the content style and in-depth explanation of various businesses and companies that he puts out and now I feel this is just such a low blow to a content creator that doesn't deserve this at all...I hope he gets justice for his channel coz I'd definitely hate to see his channel go, it would genuinely infuriate me seeing one of my favorite YT channels getting terminated for no reason.
And Charlie, thanks for covering this topic.
Please, TH-cam, do something about this mess!!
Let’s together spread the word and support John and Magnates Media. This is the best documentary style videos channel on this platform today, and John is the guy who put in tremendous amount of work for growing it. No one should be able to take the work of his life from him!
Also everyone should mass report the fucker responsible for this.
Glad you're talking about this Charlie. This man has been undoing all the progress that's been done in the past few years around fair use protection and DMCA abuses on the TH-cam ecosystem, and just because he's been targeting a big channel like Russia Today first, especially at a time when the anti-Russia sentiment was higher than ever because of the war in Ukraine, people have been giving him a pass.
Upper Echelon is a incredible channel, the dude is incredibly thorough
I thought dealing with fake copyright claims was bad enough because TH-cam does nothing about it! I had no idea this could happen!
Charlie, thank you so much for talking about this. I genuinely love watching magnatesmedia’s videos and I think you talking about this is going to help him in the long run. So on behalf of one of my favorite content creators, thank you.
I'm so happy that this is finally getting a lot of attention. TH-cam needs to revamp its copyright system.
I'm thankful for covering this issue I've heard of this issue tackled by Upper Echelon and based from viewers engagement it still ain't sufficient, and so I'm glad the likes of Mutahar and Charlie has brought the issue for a broader audience. I yearn this community response brings positive to TH-cam
Ayyyyy so glad to hear you shout out Upper Echelon! That dude’s stuff is fantastic!
Poor guy, I really hope that with us making a big hoopla about this TH-cam will hopefully step in & at least let him keep his channel.
Too bad that historically TH-cam isn't really known to actually enforce the punishments in their own written policies towards people who abuse the copyright strike system to this degree so let's see if we can make this the first one.
What would be great is for a bunch of big successful youtubers like Charlie, Mutahar to band together and offer to fund any legal action required to smaller channels against assholes like this. They could reclaim these costs by counter-suing them once they inevitably win. I think I remember Muta already offering to do this before for someone which was awesome.
This has already been done in the past with H3H3 and others assembling some legal team to help creators
@@HairyJuan H3H3 ain't a good example to use lol
@Patrick39 you=penguinz0 BUT don’t forget that you
@@brosephbroman7564 their case is literally history. It's being taught in law classes, pretty easy to find that out
@@wompppwompwomppp Not talking about the case. I'm talking about H3H3(Ethan) specifically.
Thanks for covering this Charlie, as a big fan of Magnates media and your own channel. This is a conversation needed on platforms like yours! Really appreciate it!
That type of claim abuse should even be punished, you shouldn't be able to falsely accuse someone, legally threaten them, and when proven wrong get away with it like nothing happened.
Yoo I'm so happy that you're covering this I was hoping that you'd bring it to light
But a better question: why TF do you care? This is like Media posting stories of horrible things, it literally doesn't effect you, like why do you care? Is it escapism?
I'm not saying Cr1tikal doesn't have good takes and shit, but people getting up in arms about random shit he says is baffling....I assume you're not an adult and by that I mean like less than 25....teens are not the cutoff
@@TheBfutgreg just bec something doesn't affect you doesn't prevent you from having an opinion on it it's not escapism, escapism is going online and bashing people for having an opinion about something so that you feel better about yourself
@@TheBfutgreg why care about anything in that case? almost anything people do outside of their real lives falls under the category you’re saying they shouldn’t care about.. they aren’t absolutely losing their minds or something about it, why do you care is a better question
@@TheBfutgreg because magnatesmedia's content is actually good
@@TheBfutgreg hmm let me ask why people care about a school shootings when it doesn’t effect them or me, or even why should I care if I see someone get kidnapped in front of me so long as It’s not happening to me or my family why should I care if they are sold and raped? Oh that’s right it’s called empathy and a basic human emotion that forms society at a foundational level that without caring or sticking up for others it wouldn’t work as it would be everyone trying abuse each other without consequences like what’s happening. Now why do YOU care so much about what others care about to the point of insulting everyone and using age gap to discredit anyone with a good argument. I’ve seen teens that absolutely destroy people in their 50 in argument or debates but you want to chalk it up to age which has no baring in most arguments at all. Honestly the fact you couldn’t figure out why we as a social species care about something as bad as abuse of power is very concerning. Sorry but everything you just wrote makes you sound like a child with no knowledge on basic concepts such as community’s or why we stick up for one another and fight against corruption which none of this should have to be explained to one who claims to be so grown up but here we are.
This guy submitting 3 strikes against Magnate's Media is the same sort of reasonable escalation as WotC calling the Pinkertons for a Magic Card
Don't you just love the age of corporate feudalism that's being ushered in by companies like this? God I miss free-market capitalism :/
Honestly, when these bad faith copyright zombies try to strike other channels with absolutely no justification, there needs to be some sort of punishment. Especially for those big creators who won't be hurt by a lawsuit. There needs to be some incentive from TH-cam to prevent these kind of power trips
It's like making the argument that there can only be one person doing a playthrough of any video game.
I commented on magnates channel earlier when he posted a comment about this. IM SO GLAD YOU MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS. I love magnates medias videos and i know how much work he puts into his videos. Like the fact that this Alex person is trying to get his channel shut down because hes jealous or whatever is insane and shouldnt be allowed at all. I really hope something gets done because id be so SO upset if magnate's channel gets shut down because of this.
I hope Magnates Media gets some exposure and doesn't get struck down, personally I love his videos because they give some really good insight into the biggest businesses in the world and how they came about and I highly recommend watching some of his videos
TH-cam really needs to update the copyright strike rules. A few weeks back, Vlogging through History received two copyright strikes from CPG Grey for seemingly no reason. The nuclear option should not be available until after some kind of mediation process.
As with alot of things in life. The problem is that there are no repercussions for the person claiming copyright strikes on someone if they are found to be false. There should be a review board at TH-cam that looks over DCMA strikes and if, by arbitration of parties involved, find the claim to be false, the claiming party should have a resulting strike against them. There is nothing like this now and I can see why... TH-cam doesn't want to waste time or money policing the platform. I get that... but in that case have an appointed board of volunteer veteran creators be the arbitrators.
This reminds me of the iilluminaughtii situation, where she tried to publicly shame a literal lawyer (LegalEagle) over editing techniques.
Because of that, her past coworkers finally had the courage and the momentum to share their horrible past experiences with her.
The first minute I thought he was talking about Adin Ross
Yeah. I lost my respect on her after that, albeit her videos before the whole controversial situation are informative still (especially for the Corporate Casket series), but I guess "seperate art from the artist" is going to be my option.
First it's the iilluminaughtii, then Adin Ross and now this guy. When are these copyright abusers ever going to stop?
Don't forget about CGP Grey
@@Fringe31422au what did he do?
This is a little like the legal eagle situation where a commentary channel claimed his editor stole their style of editing.
It was super common editing techniques and really the editor just reached out for some tips on what plugins they used
But the difference here is Blaire didn't like strike his channel, she just posted about it on Twitter and got roasted to hell
everyone needs to move to fanvue!
and in 5 years time a problem comes up with that and you shout "Everyone needs to move to >Insert name here
@@mk_gamíng0609yeah that's probably true but that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep trying to make things better.
@@mk_gamíng0609 So your thought process is "if other options aren't 100% perfect, there's no point in ever trying to make things better"?
@@mk_gamíng0609 Absolute loser mentality.
@@mk_gamíng0609 I fail to see how that's a problem. Yes, if a good platform progressively gets shit after people move there, then we move somewhere else. Where's the issue with this moving mentality? It solves the greatest issue right now, which is giving a single company a monopoly and sticking by them no matter how awful it becomes.
People just need to learn to budge.
This man somehow keeps me up to date with the most random drama that somehow gets me livid
I love hearing about drama that has no effect on my life.
Thank you Charlie 🤧🤧
Don’t watch his videos then. Dumbass comment
@夏吉林 that's a damn lie BAHAHAH
@@dylanthetwinkBots are eternal
Technically this issue could spread to any of your favorite TH-camrs and become a problem for them.
It may not affect you now. Many also didn't care about Hitler and didn't think he'd effect their lives. Next thing you know a bomb is sitting in their living room.
You know Charlie's passionate about something when he uses such foul language as "Dirty Barnaces"
He's the only TH-camr that can get away with that without getting demonitized.
Yup, or when goes “bah humbug”, you know it’s serious. This comment will probably be deleted by YT for using such obscene language.
Corny
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@@Pack_Watch only thing here that is corny is your profile picture.
“You were inspired by the world, let the world be inspired by you”
- J. Cole
Somebody needs to take somebody to court over this so that people realize they can't do this shit. It's too bad adin ross chickened out after hasan threatened him because that would have been a perfect opportunity.
Usually happens to smaller creators… and even when it’s bigger ones the amount of money it would cost to to take it to court wouldn’t be worth it. What really needs to happen is for youtube to get their shit together and fix their broken ass system…
Adin said he re-filed the strike and told Hasan he’ll see him in court. If Adin isn’t trolling, then this should be interesting
Great plan, except when they (the defendant) loses on a technicality, then awful precedence is set that affects everyone.
2:32 and this is why you make more than one TH-cam channel so u can promote your second channel while still uploading on your main channel so it's like nothing happened they can just reupload or make new videos for his second channel
This could be discouraging for small creators trying to build their internet career. How do we protect our own channels from this?
You don't. If they make it legal then you're just screwed, a legitimate tactic these absolute troglodytes use is just filing bull**** lawsuits to waste time and money. Being rich enables you to legally bully people into submission and it's pathetic. TH-cam makes that worse by humoring them.
Hey Charlie, lol. TH-cam is crazy man. I streamed my first stream on here the other week and got a strike for being a "scam" and "deceptive practices". Then I was banned from streaming. I won the appeal, but still. This stuff is nuts. I hope the channel gets justice on this issue. Cheers. 💩
I would love to see your take on the Kotaku Tears of the Kingdom situation. A Kotaku writer inadvertently or purposefully posted something on Twitter that insinuated a racially motivated threat to the very much Japanese Nintendo staff. It’s wild and I’d love to see more attention brought to it.
@夏吉林 shut up bot
I had to go to fucking _Yahoo Sports_ before I could find info about this. I second this, more coverage would be good
Thank you for speaking up about this. I'm a happy subscriber to @MagnatesMedia and this is a shameless attack against his channel.
I'm so glad this is getting the attention it deserves! I love Magnates Media! Thank you for covering this.
Copyright striking is the worst thing to come to TH-cam
It never occured to me a lawsuit can be both frivolous, *and* malicious. It's like he's doing it to go viral, except the courts cam punish him for that far more than he benefits.
Thanks for highlighting this. I love MagnatesMedia’s channel and I’m disgusted this is happening to him. I hope this can get sorted!
I really wish more people would fight back on fraudlent takedowns. So glad Charlie keeps talking about it; maybe it'll get more people to counternotice.
No one actually fights fraudulent takedowns, to do so means taking the matter to court. TH-cam is not the judicial branch.
I feel like TH-cam should handle these dumb copyright claims by issuing a strike every time a person makes a copy claim beyond stupid like this.
I still remember when Alex had people begging Charlie and Muta to make a video supporting him. I was like nah bro, keep them away from your sh*tty scheme.
I was under the impression that the strikes have to be decided on before a channel's deletion. I can't believe this hasn't already been a problem. So any creator can get any channel they want deleted on a whim?
I’ve been subscribed to MagnatesMedia for over a year now, and I saw his posts today about the situation. It’s insane how someone can get your channel terminated with ease and TH-cam doesn’t do a thing about it
This is a blatant attack on competition.
BREAKING NEWS: Adobe is suing 75% of content creators for using their editing techniques!!
I think it's safe to say that TH-cam is a dystopia.
I love that Charlie uploads daily. Even if it's only been 19 seconds it's made my day better
Edit: if you think that this was meat riding, do these 3 things in your life, 1. Get a job, 2. Touch grass, and 3. Cook yourself a meal for once and get off grub hub you monitor manglers
glazin
so real
Hop off
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@@TheEuropeanLad blazin
I can’t be the only one thinking that Alex Edson looks like a 2000’s Nickelodeon movie villain, it’s unreal.