I remember Markiplier said that “Honey is too good to be true” and that he won’t get sponsored by them because he didn’t know how they made money. That aged really well
I didn’t see Markiplier’s video of that but it’s the same premise I went off. Like no way it’s that good, something is definitely going on behind the scenes.
good on him but that is kinda dumb. they can (and I doubt they didn't) just sell your data on what you buy, what sites you use, how much you spend... valuable data
Being lazy and forgetful has saved me from a couple scams. Sometimes forgetting just works perfectly. I also debated using honey years ago but never did. Glad I didn't.
I've thought about that before. I guess there's no virtue in being lazy, but sometimes you realize later you dodged some bullets just by doing nothing.
Same! I actually installed it to try it out but the few deals I was even able to find were like, 30 cents off my entire purchase so it wasn’t even worth it so I got rid of it.
As someone who's in computer security, these kinds of things are exactly what security people are talking about with "running someone else's code on your machine." You assume it's doing something and it's not. You assume it's a browser extension because "Oh it's right there in your browser. It's more convenient." When it's actually in the browser so that it can modify cookies and open new tabs without interaction.
I’d argue this doesn’t really pose a security threat necessarily. It’s just blatant greed. Someone set the logic to override the key value to referral code equals PayPal at the final transaction step. It’s equivalent to a BAU change in production in almost any company. I’m surprised it took this long for someone to run a Charles capture on any given purchase.
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I've always wondered how they made money and couldn't find anything and never used it because of it. If you think it's too good to be true, it's often is.
My thoughts and feelings were that if it worked like how they said it did, then why in the world would they be giving it away for free. If it truly saves the amount of money it claims, then it should cost _something._ Businesses aren't known for their altruism.
I’m genuinely happy Charlie is talking about this; having a big content creator such as him speak on this should bring more attention to the disgusting acts of this company.
This is why I’m skeptical to companies/brands who sponsor influencers in waves. Not because I think influencers are always in on it but because they’re often being taken advantage of like this, especially smaller ones trying to grow their channel and being excited over sponsors
The better help thing really ticked me off because in theory it’s a terrific idea, especially in a country with a severe lack of easy and affordable access to therapists
Ive always wondered why back when I used honey a few years back, it always pops up as, " Sorry, this is the best deal your gonna get" type message. Didn't realize that it was this shady and this corrupt behind the scenes
I think they were using the browser as they could, I don't know whether this is legal or not, but imho I think there should be a functionality in the browser that forbids extensions to do anything with already existing cookies, or have another way to identify affiliates rather than cookies...
7:40 I saw this happen at a Guitar Center. A guy was buying like $5k+ worth of gear from one employee and at the last second another guy finalized the sale and got the commission. I saw the original employee figure it out and started crying a lil.
@@big_pb ugh I wish I knew what it was called when I worked retail! had a "coworker" that would always upsell to clients I already was working with when my back was turned and say "well I'm just trying to help" like no dude you're literally stealing my customer. it's difficult to articulate when the offender just plays dumb. hmph!
I mean, that's how you do it. It boggles my mind how many creators explode themselves over a simple mistake that only takes a "sorry my bad guys" and never do it again. I agree Charlie saying that is class.
No creator should even side with them because the creators got shafted way harder than the customer, imagine how much money they lost from replaced commissions. Actually huge PayPal L...
I'm not sure why are you happy for him apologizing. When you do something that is obviously okay and you actually do it in good faith and under the hood someone is scamming people it's in no way your fault. Like not even a single percent. Apology is purely for people who just expect apologies from TH-camrs and similar.. but it's in no way required or even appropriate. He should be mad at the company but he quite literally didn't do anything wrong.
I think peak content creator would investigate sponsors before taking them. Charlie is great though for owning his mistakes and keeping people in the know.
I always assumed Honey was a viable business strategy by just gathering consumer data and selling it, I never expected to be the equivalent of being flat out robbery. Allegedley
Are people this ignorant to late stage capitalism? Of course they were fucking us, they wouldnt have been able to sell for 4 billion if they werent fucking us right from the start. People seriously need to open their eyes
I genuinely appreciate Charlie for immediately speaking out about this and his previous sponsorships with Honey, instead of trying to sweep it under the rug and deny he ever had involvement with them
Bruh it’s not like his best friend got cancelled for something wild. Why would anyone hide their involvement with them when literally nobody benefited?????????
OH MY GOD ITS NOT JUST ME! I have never ONCE gotten ANYTHING meaningful out of Honey ever. Nothing to justify its existence. I thought I was the only one!
I only had honey for so long. I tried using it, but never got anything useful at all. It never even got me a 2% off or anything. I just Uninstalled it a year or so after because I was tired of it telling me coupons but never getting anything out of it.
MegaLag seemed to come out of nowhere when he started his channel but man did he ever hit the ground running. I love his videos and he damn well knows what he's doing to expose crap like this.
@@raian_Lofe Always a fun game to see someone call a youtuber irredeemable trash and trying to figure out whether they were a predator or something or if they just made twitter mad with a lukewarm take.
@@planescaped He did claim that he was the first one to present the scam publicly, but there have been multiple videos exposing honey over the years. Just search for "honey scam" and you'll find plenty of videos up to 4 years ago. :/
I remember that when I first saw honey i was immediately suspicious because it wasn't obvious in what way they made money. I even told a couple friends to remove it. I always just assumed they sold your data. Not that they were actively stealing money.
Well, MegaLag did mention that he did find data collection in his investigation too, but.. it'll be several part series to get through all the findings (iirc 6 part?) But yeah, that was always my assumption too, and also, when the advertisement is "its free thing that saves/makes you money", it just triggers all the alarm bells. I don't understand how they didn't get exposed sooner.
@@eerolz8758 you dont know how they were exposed sooner? really? Dude, anyone with any semblance of common sense knew that something was "off" about honey. Theres maybe a whole couple dozen of us. Oh you want proof? Look at how many goobers are STILL getting scammed by MEME coins? Chances are, you recognized honey was scummy, you tried to tell people, and they all collectively went "yeah but muh big youtubers recommend it so it not scam"
Another thing that people need to know about this, is that Ryan Hudson, one of the creators of Honey is also one of the creators of the adblocker: Pie.
It makes sense considering they market it the same way of watch ads for money when in reality you have to watch days worth of ads to see a single dollar
The only ones winning were the bussineses and honey. But in the following up video to come, it seems that some businesses were affected by honey's practices too
Same I had Honey for a year and everytime I tried to search for a code and it returned nothing. And given how it is free, I suspected Honey is earning revenue through means that aren't transparent so I removed it.
Why I save tons of money using honey And I think I'll keep on using it. You think you're going to style me? I'm not going to stop I'm going to going to eat some baked lays with barbecue sauce right now. Oh my God that always gets me good when if you know what I'm saying where am I so I just saw anyway oh my God I just blew out the toilet now. That's pretty insane. I feel like a new man now but I'm never going to use honey again. This is crazy. 😊
I got rid of honey a couple months ago because it felt so invasive with how hard it tries to use that pop up window, and it's never really even saved me any money. Now it makes so much sense
I got rid of honey a few years ago because every time I tried to use it, it almost never brought up ANY savings coupons for me, even on websites where you’d think they’d be plentiful. And if it ever did, the links would be expired. I gave up and got rid of it out of frustration.
@@OVOJacob3people are allowed to share their experiences and their opinions on products that they use :/ no need to be like that at reasonable commenters.
a good chunk anyways. Established titles. Honey. That straw thing. Better help. Those chinese knives. The list goes on. They make Raid shadow turds look like saints
That's actually genius, in a really evil way. Dark patterns at their finest, also that's like border-line malware with it modifying your website cookies
Fact that there it was mentioned by a linus tech employee a while back in a forum post that something was fishy and they never disclosed about it in a future video even to warn other content creators did annoy me, i think that was in 2022
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Ngl this makes a lot of sense… back when every influencer was recommending them and doing that bit about “too good to be true, how do them make money? Don’t worry” i remember thinking, no but seriously, how are they making money off of this while paying all these influencers… this makes a lot of sense. Glad I never downloaded it
Same. I knew it couldn't be business to business because coupons were invented to track who was reading advertising. A web scraper coupon clipper defeats the point of offering coupons. Companies would not want that, so how else could they be generating income, if not from customers or advertisers?
Right, people now adays just copy and paste a wiki page in a monotone voice, pay an editor on fiver to edit a few transitions. And boom. They can pay rent that month
I stared watching this thinking "okay, I can still use it for what I personally like it, the price change tracking". But now even if it turns out that that feature was legit (which I doubt considering how nothing else was), I would never wanna give these people access to my info again. Extension officially removed.
The only way this could be worse is if they actually DID find coupons and applied them but then somehow charged you the money you would saved and make it appear as though there weren’t any coupons to begin with.
Technically, they were only promoting coupons from companies which paid them to use their's over others... EVEN if there was a bigger discount out there so that only the company paying them to use their coupon was offered. Then they advertised that if honey couldn't find it, there wasn't a better deal on the internet!! And then stole the affiliate money. So really, they robbed you of the deal you could have gotten through deception while robbing the creator you may have been pushed to make the purchase to support. It's not the same but it feels as cruel.
Just thinking about this. No company ever sells you stuff without taking the coupons into account. That is always a business practice happening. You don't get a discount or a percentage off of your purchase but rather a price that comes close to the real price. While Honey offers you a coupon of 5 % the company offering you the product already takes that into account and puts a price including the 5 %. It's the same for every other coupon as well. If you find a coupon like 20 % and Honey gets the mentioned 5 %, the Internet site already includes the 20 % you found somewhere else. So Honey and the company selling stuff made extra money of 15 %. It is common business practice Hope I worded that correctly as English is not my first language
What a clever scam. Id always wondered how it made its money, I assumed it was brand deals to push coupons on certain products to increase the likelihood of a sale. Didn't expect thieving the affiliate commission 😂
Thats why I never got it, couldn't figure out how it was profitable to spend that much on marketing. I figured it was selling data or some pay for play scheme but this is wild
It has always been to good to be true. Working with companies to stop them from fighting back was pretty smart to. Like ”if you dont work with us, we will defeat the purpose of your discounts”
Sometimes I truly think heads of companies are actually possessed by demons. Honey was basically a money printing machine, but someone along the chain of command just couldn't let it sit there and dribble out gold. They just HAD to find a way to get more.
I mean I generally think all "Find You Deals" companies/sites are scammy 9/10 times and manufacture "deals" by raising prices but wow, this is EVEN WORSE! Also, your Morty Voice! Why is it so good!
You know you can not sue the shareholders of a corporation? That's why it's a "legal entity" afforded many rights individuals have. You also realize the stockholders didn't do this, nor did they vote "let's scam everyone". You know the big fish glazed in honey? the CEO who gets a big fat performance bonus for high profits, whoever came up with this scheme and took it to the CEO. The elected officials too busy about trans people in the wrong bathroom instead of catching up to the 21st century wild west of crime, the internet.
Honey is owned by PayPal --------> Major shareholders of PayPal? You guessed it! BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. No wonder they're deliberately stealing money🤣
The fact that LMG switched to a company that does the same thing makes me think they felt like something was 'off' with Honey, but they couldn't prove anything. Because if they had known the details behind their scheme, then the logical thing to do would be to check if others are doing the same. That, and at the end of the day, these companies are ripping off content creators more than anything else.
And it's ironic that they didn't have the decency to spread awareness about Honey and switched to a company called KARMA that does the same scummy thing. You can't make this shit up lol
@@DrawciaGleam02 Linus Media Group, aka Linus Tech Tips (it's the name of the production company that owns all their channels, and is owned 50/50 by Linus and his wife)
It worked for me at first. I got about $35 back total from it, but then it hasn't really worked since. The coupons were just a bonus for me, I mainly had it for the cash back aspect.
Funhaus promoted this years ago and I IMMEDIATELY thought “No way there just helping you get things cheaper. What’s the trick.” Feeling validated years later lol
@@Hylarchical Probably not, but what is a little crazy is the sudden influx of hindsight "I ALWAYS knew Honey was evil" stories. Everyone apparently knew the business was shady but absolutely nobody was talking about it seriously until the one exposé video dropped. I don't buy it, I'm calling comment clout-chasing.
Lol. When I worked in a computer repair shop, Honey was one of the things I used to remove as malware/adware. Then I would warn customers against its usage.
I used it, but very quickly stopped when it was like "Where's the coupon codes, Honey?" That said, it will be genuinely interesting to see the fallout from this given how many people promoted it like crazy.
yeah, paying someone (a company, in this case) to straight-up lie for you about discounts on purchases seems... less than legal. If you didn't know they were doing that, and you didn't know you were technically paying them by handing your sales commissions over to them, well, that seems... also less than legal. If all of this is legal, maybe we need some better laws. Good on you C for covering MegaLag's vid this fast. Saw that this morning and wondered how long this would take - as usual, no time at all.
All I can find in the EULA for Honey to explain how they work is.. " We make money to sustain the Service when you purchase or engage with these offers." I wonder what the contract looks like when you're sponsored by them. Something like.. "We steal your money to make money when the user engages with these offers"
I'm 67 year's old. This stuff intimidates the heck out of me. It's all just gibberish I don't understand. But even I understand this. Thank you for explaining it in a way I wish my Teacher's would of taught. I click absolutely nothing anywhere. I only check out on Amazon. Again, thanks 😊
Part 2 is apparently gonna be about how Honey bullies ecommerce businesses into working with them. Basically making it impossible to be a marketer unless you work through them
The death of paypal. I mean really since fines are set in dollar amounts of old laws, it won't really hurt them. But paypal should be shut down over this.
Also mega lag has like 300k subs. Without this video blowing up it seems like maybe it could have gone under the rip up good job to them for making such a well made video.
This is the type of thing that separates idiots from above average people. If you’re smart enough you can spot prey in any form. I remember seeing honey ads from MKB I checked it out and instantly stoped because I could tell exactly what it was. I’m not lazy I can find my own coupon codes or just not use them
Glad you are taking this to ur channel so more people can see it. We cant just let this fly under the radar especially since it was so heavily pushed on TH-cam
Reminder that one of the people who made Honey is now making the adblocker Pie, whose obnoxious ads have been all over the site. I believe it's found they're even replacing the cookies of normal websites with their own, so beware. Just wanted to make this known.
Charlie forgot to mention the part at the end where Honey practically extorts non-partnered sites since they have no issue with spreading high percent discounts for those stores, pretty much forcing them to either partner with Honey or lose money to all the discounts.
That's probably in part 2. As seen in some of the clips it hinted that the customer service had to deal with irate customers given false discounts by Honey as punishment for not affiliating with Honey
@@michaeldempsey22 That's for partners only though. I specifically said non-partnered sites, ie. the ones that don't get a say with Honey. Those stores that are not paying money to Honey to be partnered and they alone get flooded with high percentage discounts, causing them to either lose money or join Honey. It's like a mafia-style protection racket now that I think about it. That part isn't in this reaction it's in the original at the very end in a few clips.
Crazy thing is I've actually used it to buy stuff and gotten coupons, but none of them have worked. I don't really buy anything online, but I can think of at least two purchases that I've let Honey find me coupons and the ones they've found do nothing.
As soon as "affiliate link" was mentioned I knew what was going on. Now how it was happening, just what was happening. Every single TH-camr who've had affiliate links or referral links have to be part of this lawsuit. There's no telling just how much money they've stolen from creators.
@@gamergod3798 Exactly what it sounds like. PayPal is extremely scummy. They'll use any excuse they can to steal your money. It's relatively safe if you do not make any large purchases or receive significant amount of money from it, or keep your money there... but if you do any of that then you're likely to get screwed over eventually.
So many companies that sponsor a ton of TH-camrs have been shady, betterhelp, established titles, etc, It just makes me sceptical of everything now. but also wouldn't want this to lead to an adpocalypse situation where TH-camrs can't get sponsorships because everyone is wary of them
I was always thinking they stole data, but what they did is even more sneaky. Never could of even IMAGINED something this predatory from a paypal company.
Remember trying it twice, getting no working coupons, then just uninstalled it because it was just more popups with no benefits. Had no idea it was this gross
It’s crazy I searched this and I don’t see any news articles covering this. I know the news just broke but I’d expect one of the major publications to hop on it. Probably waiting to see if they’re paid off first before they post.
so satisfying to finish watching MegaLag's video thinking about how the official podcast promoted the shit out of this just to see Charlie post a video while I'm watching it
I watched the video from MegaLag only hours ago. It's cool that you immediately reacted and made this video. Some will just ignore it. It's cool you're not one of them and instead make sure people that watch you, but not necessarily MegaLag, know about this.
I just watched a while ago myself. Had never heard of them prior to but megalag got a subscribe from me for the video. I can see now this is going to blow up and I can't wait to see how the rest of the creators who just find out about this react. Lol
I think this is one of the reasons i got the sponsorblock extension, i cannot trust anything youtubers recommend, NOTHING is safe on the internet. If i see a youtuber promoting a product I am 70% certain it is a scam or a bad product
The worst thing is that what honey is doing is probably legal. My reasoning is, if they can steal the sale from a click, can't they do the same without? In that case, why show a message prompting the user to click? Because if the user clicks, they sign some invisible terms of policy agreement, making it legal.
I remember Markiplier said that “Honey is too good to be true” and that he won’t get sponsored by them because he didn’t know how they made money. That aged really well
The day Markiplier fucks up or gets canceled is when all hope in this world is truly gone
I didn’t see Markiplier’s video of that but it’s the same premise I went off.
Like no way it’s that good, something is definitely going on behind the scenes.
good on him but that is kinda dumb. they can (and I doubt they didn't) just sell your data on what you buy, what sites you use, how much you spend... valuable data
Which video of Mark's was menitoned!
Where did he say that
Whenever I saw Honey a sponsorship I always said to myself “I should really get that” but I never did. Sometimes it pays to be lazy.
Same here
Being lazy and forgetful has saved me from a couple scams. Sometimes forgetting just works perfectly. I also debated using honey years ago but never did. Glad I didn't.
Hahaha literally though 😂
I've thought about that before. I guess there's no virtue in being lazy, but sometimes you realize later you dodged some bullets just by doing nothing.
'Laziness' is protecting us 😂
I remember seeing EVERYONE sponsor Honey a few years back and I even debated using it a couple times. This is insane from any perspective.
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Same! I actually installed it to try it out but the few deals I was even able to find were like, 30 cents off my entire purchase so it wasn’t even worth it so I got rid of it.
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You mean everyone was being sponsored by honey. I got you, boo.
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As someone who's in computer security, these kinds of things are exactly what security people are talking about with "running someone else's code on your machine." You assume it's doing something and it's not. You assume it's a browser extension because "Oh it's right there in your browser. It's more convenient." When it's actually in the browser so that it can modify cookies and open new tabs without interaction.
I’d argue this doesn’t really pose a security threat necessarily. It’s just blatant greed.
Someone set the logic to override the key value to referral code equals PayPal at the final transaction step. It’s equivalent to a BAU change in production in almost any company. I’m surprised it took this long for someone to run a Charles capture on any given purchase.
Can't wait for the class action check of $31 in my mailbox 6 years from now
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I’ve always suspected Honey was scummy. But never did I ever think it would possibly be this bad.
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@@hollowquest9962 I think if Charlie's talking about it, it's a pretty big deal
same lol
The amount of times I've seen a Honey ad and thought to myself "How tf do they make money then?" and then proceeded to never get it is insane.
right like i just assumed they sold the data of what people bought, BUT WHAT THEY ACTULLY DO IN INSANE?
Just like pie the ad blocker... it's ran by honey, wonder how they are going to "pay us"
Uh oh I've had it for a whil
doing the same thing with Pi ad blocker rn too. It's like they think we can't tell.
If they don't publish their business model, is most likely a guaranteed.
I've always wondered how they made money and couldn't find anything and never used it because of it. If you think it's too good to be true, it's often is.
literally why i never used it. it jsut seemed to good to be true
Literally the exact reason Markiplier refused to take their sponsorships.
It never made sense how Honey made money but could still pay every influencer big bucks to promote it. Now it does.
My thoughts and feelings were that if it worked like how they said it did, then why in the world would they be giving it away for free.
If it truly saves the amount of money it claims, then it should cost _something._ Businesses aren't known for their altruism.
tbf it said ads so i kinda believed it
Havent you been gone from yt sense 2022
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also this has almost nothing to do with the majority of how honey makes money but i agree it's scummy
I’m genuinely happy Charlie is talking about this; having a big content creator such as him speak on this should bring more attention to the disgusting acts of this company.
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Ive never used Honey because of the age old saying of "If it's too good to be true, it is"
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same, that saying is what kept me from installing it, and i'm glad i did so.
Exactly!
"If it's free you're the product"
Ita literally not to good to be true
This is why I’m skeptical to companies/brands who sponsor influencers in waves. Not because I think influencers are always in on it but because they’re often being taken advantage of like this, especially smaller ones trying to grow their channel and being excited over sponsors
You are on to nothing 😂
This and Better Help were literally ALL over youtube for years, constantly being sponsored.
The better help thing really ticked me off because in theory it’s a terrific idea, especially in a country with a severe lack of easy and affordable access to therapists
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@@EruditeFelineRaid wasn't that bad but it was a stupid little game.
@@EruditeFelinewas that ever a scam I thought it was just dogass
Also established titles
Charlie's room in these videos recently is like a Clash of Clans Town Hall the way upgrades are just spawning in
i was looking for a comment like this
No
the fuck is clash of clowns
Nah
Dam! that warlord titan though
Ive always wondered why back when I used honey a few years back, it always pops up as, " Sorry, this is the best deal your gonna get" type message. Didn't realize that it was this shady and this corrupt behind the scenes
I was just watching that vid and was like hm I wonder if Charlie would comment this, your response was so fast 😂
Nice pfp
I think they were using the browser as they could, I don't know whether this is legal or not, but imho I think there should be a functionality in the browser that forbids extensions to do anything with already existing cookies, or have another way to identify affiliates rather than cookies...
Don’t be lazy and always find the code yourself. Any missed deal is on you
I randomly got recommended his video like an hour after he dropped it, never seen any of his other videos. Incredibly well done and explained.
7:40 I saw this happen at a Guitar Center. A guy was buying like $5k+ worth of gear from one employee and at the last second another guy finalized the sale and got the commission. I saw the original employee figure it out and started crying a lil.
This makes me angry. Same thing used to happen at Fry's.
Sale sniping is a fireable offense in a lot of commission based jobs
This is why I always make sure the person who helped me checks me out😭 i refuse to let anyone else do it even if I'm only spending like 20$
Yeah except in retail sales this is unethical and a fireable offense. A report to management could easily fix that
@@big_pb ugh I wish I knew what it was called when I worked retail! had a "coworker" that would always upsell to clients I already was working with when my back was turned and say "well I'm just trying to help" like no dude you're literally stealing my customer. it's difficult to articulate when the offender just plays dumb. hmph!
I love how charlie actually acknowledges that he prmoted honey and apologizes for it. Peak content creator
I mean, that's how you do it. It boggles my mind how many creators explode themselves over a simple mistake that only takes a "sorry my bad guys" and never do it again. I agree Charlie saying that is class.
No creator should even side with them because the creators got shafted way harder than the customer, imagine how much money they lost from replaced commissions. Actually huge PayPal L...
I'm not sure why are you happy for him apologizing. When you do something that is obviously okay and you actually do it in good faith and under the hood someone is scamming people it's in no way your fault. Like not even a single percent. Apology is purely for people who just expect apologies from TH-camrs and similar.. but it's in no way required or even appropriate. He should be mad at the company but he quite literally didn't do anything wrong.
MegaLags vid had him all over it but really I don't think anyone knew
I think peak content creator would investigate sponsors before taking them. Charlie is great though for owning his mistakes and keeping people in the know.
I always assumed Honey was a viable business strategy by just gathering consumer data and selling it, I never expected to be the equivalent of being flat out robbery. Allegedley
In Minecraft.
In GTA.
Are people this ignorant to late stage capitalism? Of course they were fucking us, they wouldnt have been able to sell for 4 billion if they werent fucking us right from the start. People seriously need to open their eyes
Allegedly? That's a word you use when you don't have any evidence to back up your claims. We have tons of examples here.
I can't read" allegedly" anymore without a tiny Simon whistler appearing on my shoulder
Remember, Linus knew about all this, and stopped taking Honey's money, but never told other TH-camrs about it.
How do you know this? Have you figured out how to prove a negative?
@@larry365it’s in the video by MegaLab
Which you clearly didn’t watch
@@larry365watch the original exposé, the guy even reaches out to Linus’ team and they confirm it.
It's prob cuz if we was wrong he'd get sued prob
I genuinely appreciate Charlie for immediately speaking out about this and his previous sponsorships with Honey, instead of trying to sweep it under the rug and deny he ever had involvement with them
he shouldn't even have to apologize he a victim too
Bruh it’s not like his best friend got cancelled for something wild. Why would anyone hide their involvement with them when literally nobody benefited?????????
Why are you giving Charlie credit for anything? He was duped just like everyone else? What exactly are you giving him credit for?
honestly it isnt a big deal, like the scam obviously is but its not as easy to spot as a hawkcoin for example, i mean honey sold for 4b dollars
Why would he have to apologize for being scammed anyway😭 he wouldn’t benefit from “sweeping under the rug” the fact that he was scammed lmaoo
OH MY GOD ITS NOT JUST ME!
I have never ONCE gotten ANYTHING meaningful out of Honey ever. Nothing to justify its existence. I thought I was the only one!
same here mate, it never worked for me either
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I only had honey for so long. I tried using it, but never got anything useful at all. It never even got me a 2% off or anything. I just Uninstalled it a year or so after because I was tired of it telling me coupons but never getting anything out of it.
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came here to basically make the same comment. finally motivation to actively remove this thing
MegaLag seemed to come out of nowhere when he started his channel but man did he ever hit the ground running. I love his videos and he damn well knows what he's doing to expose crap like this.
Let's just hope he doesn't do something weirdo or mask off into a scumbag like Pirate Software.
@@planescapedwhat has pirate software done? (genuinely asking, i don't religiously follow him)
@@raian_Lofe Always a fun game to see someone call a youtuber irredeemable trash and trying to figure out whether they were a predator or something or if they just made twitter mad with a lukewarm take.
@@planescaped He did claim that he was the first one to present the scam publicly, but there have been multiple videos exposing honey over the years. Just search for "honey scam" and you'll find plenty of videos up to 4 years ago. :/
@@autive42 I'm skeptical if they back up their claim with anything substantial Thor actually did wrong
I wonder if the class action lawsuit filed will also extend to the people who coded the dark code used in honey, not just the company.
I remember that when I first saw honey i was immediately suspicious because it wasn't obvious in what way they made money. I even told a couple friends to remove it. I always just assumed they sold your data. Not that they were actively stealing money.
yeah same, I assumed it was something to do with shopping data all this time.
Well, MegaLag did mention that he did find data collection in his investigation too, but.. it'll be several part series to get through all the findings (iirc 6 part?)
But yeah, that was always my assumption too, and also, when the advertisement is "its free thing that saves/makes you money", it just triggers all the alarm bells. I don't understand how they didn't get exposed sooner.
Suddenly everyone was suspicious of Honey the whole time😂
@@eerolz8758 you dont know how they were exposed sooner? really?
Dude, anyone with any semblance of common sense knew that something was "off" about honey. Theres maybe a whole couple dozen of us. Oh you want proof? Look at how many goobers are STILL getting scammed by MEME coins?
Chances are, you recognized honey was scummy, you tried to tell people, and they all collectively went "yeah but muh big youtubers recommend it so it not scam"
Right I thought it ripped off your credentials but this is more twisted
Another thing that people need to know about this, is that Ryan Hudson, one of the creators of Honey is also one of the creators of the adblocker: Pie.
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT TOO
It makes sense considering they market it the same way of watch ads for money when in reality you have to watch days worth of ads to see a single dollar
TH-cam is BLANKETED with ads for them and it seems endless
I only use Pie since it was the only Adblock that worked on TH-cam after December 11th (they might have updated the other Adblocks since then though)
AdBlockPlus will never leave my browser...
This is why I never trust any spam ads of promoting extensions like Honey and the recent adblock extension
When an advertisement for an adblocker is shown on a platform that bans adblockers, it can't be legit.
better to just not trust youtuber ads at all
pie, made by the creator of honey lol
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I used honey a few times and it lagged my browser like crazy when "finding coupons". I should have realized something deeper was going on
The fact that every youtuber advertised this product to just know this is all a huge scam is crazy!
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honey, better help, laird...
No one knew about it until now. That is the point, most of them didn't do it on purpose.
The only ones winning were the bussineses and honey. But in the following up video to come, it seems that some businesses were affected by honey's practices too
I used Honey but I never saved a single cent, so I knew it was a joke back then. Everything still came out the same price.
Honey will only save you cash if you buy a lot of garbage that TH-camrs promote.
Same I had Honey for a year and everytime I tried to search for a code and it returned nothing. And given how it is free, I suspected Honey is earning revenue through means that aren't transparent so I removed it.
@@BrooklynBalla They used to be also for like pizza coupons or something. I forget what I tried to use them for because it was several years ago.
Why I save tons of money using honey And I think I'll keep on using it. You think you're going to style me? I'm not going to stop I'm going to going to eat some baked lays with barbecue sauce right now. Oh my God that always gets me good when if you know what I'm saying where am I so I just saw anyway oh my God I just blew out the toilet now. That's pretty insane. I feel like a new man now but I'm never going to use honey again. This is crazy. 😊
only ever used it to track prices overtime
I got rid of honey a couple months ago because it felt so invasive with how hard it tries to use that pop up window, and it's never really even saved me any money. Now it makes so much sense
I got rid of honey a few years ago because every time I tried to use it, it almost never brought up ANY savings coupons for me, even on websites where you’d think they’d be plentiful. And if it ever did, the links would be expired. I gave up and got rid of it out of frustration.
Do you want a medal or what?
For real! I used it a handful of times and not a single time did it successfully give me a discount
@@OVOJacob3people are allowed to share their experiences and their opinions on products that they use :/ no need to be like that at reasonable commenters.
@@OVOJacob3hop off bro, he was just sharing his experience
Honey: "Who wants free discounts, for free?"
Everyone: "Sure!"
_A'ight so it turns out...._
I'm convinced that most TH-cam promotions are just scams at this point
Your not wrong. Like betterhelp and operaGX are just some of the many sponsers
a good chunk anyways. Established titles. Honey. That straw thing. Better help. Those chinese knives. The list goes on. They make Raid shadow turds look like saints
Seriously.. Feels like everything that comes out about YT promos is faked..
@@sillylilkoala that’s a good point of view to have tbh. So many of them are
@@moonashahow is betterhelp a scam?
I watched the MegaLag video yesterday, mind blowing. Love that you're bringing attention to it
Can't wait for the LegalEagle video on this
Man I hope
Coffee commented om that video, so he could cook something up too
He is too busy with TDS right now to actually do a video on this.
That's actually genius, in a really evil way. Dark patterns at their finest, also that's like border-line malware with it modifying your website cookies
Thats it, never using any products that I see in a youtube sponsorship.
As you should
i am
Yes even when Charlie promotes Opera. The track record with that company I still don't know why he still works with them.
@@setonix9151 been using opera since years , I love it !
Just skip past the ad read and move on like I do
Fact that there it was mentioned by a linus tech employee a while back in a forum post that something was fishy and they never disclosed about it in a future video even to warn other content creators did annoy me, i think that was in 2022
Linus is sketchy.
That channel is a joke.They worry more about getting sued.GamersNexus is a good channel that exposes scams,faulty/dangerous products.
I don't regret having stopped watching all LMG videos, especially not now
It's not fishy, Honey discloses that they do this on their website.
@@tatata1543yep! Honey probably paid them to shut up so they did
What is going on behind Charlie oh my
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Art in the making
Rearranging it looks like
As a consumer, I feel bad knowing that there are regular people who didn't get paid because I have used the app.
And that infuriates me!
Ngl this makes a lot of sense… back when every influencer was recommending them and doing that bit about “too good to be true, how do them make money? Don’t worry” i remember thinking, no but seriously, how are they making money off of this while paying all these influencers… this makes a lot of sense. Glad I never downloaded it
Same. I knew it couldn't be business to business because coupons were invented to track who was reading advertising. A web scraper coupon clipper defeats the point of offering coupons. Companies would not want that, so how else could they be generating income, if not from customers or advertisers?
Yeah, it’s just like the influencers on The Official Podcast. They were pushing this crap.
Saw the OG video, when it came out, and I am so glad Charlie is covering it too, we need as many eyes on this as possible.
The megalag video was a superb example of the kind of investigation TH-cam should be known for.
Right, people now adays just copy and paste a wiki page in a monotone voice, pay an editor on fiver to edit a few transitions. And boom. They can pay rent that month
@ Sadly a lot of the content is just that or else people “reacting”.
10 million dollar studio and everything
I gave him a sub. And I don’t sub often
I stared watching this thinking "okay, I can still use it for what I personally like it, the price change tracking". But now even if it turns out that that feature was legit (which I doubt considering how nothing else was), I would never wanna give these people access to my info again. Extension officially removed.
The only way this could be worse is if they actually DID find coupons and applied them but then somehow charged you the money you would saved and make it appear as though there weren’t any coupons to begin with.
The only problem with that is that would be very visible that they're doing that.
Now *that* is a scummy business model if I've ever seen one.
Technically, they were only promoting coupons from companies which paid them to use their's over others... EVEN if there was a bigger discount out there so that only the company paying them to use their coupon was offered. Then they advertised that if honey couldn't find it, there wasn't a better deal on the internet!! And then stole the affiliate money. So really, they robbed you of the deal you could have gotten through deception while robbing the creator you may have been pushed to make the purchase to support. It's not the same but it feels as cruel.
They probably are
Just thinking about this. No company ever sells you stuff without taking the coupons into account. That is always a business practice happening.
You don't get a discount or a percentage off of your purchase but rather a price that comes close to the real price.
While Honey offers you a coupon of 5 % the company offering you the product already takes that into account and puts a price including the 5 %.
It's the same for every other coupon as well. If you find a coupon like 20 % and Honey gets the mentioned 5 %, the Internet site already includes the 20 % you found somewhere else. So Honey and the company selling stuff made extra money of 15 %.
It is common business practice
Hope I worded that correctly as English is not my first language
What a clever scam. Id always wondered how it made its money, I assumed it was brand deals to push coupons on certain products to increase the likelihood of a sale. Didn't expect thieving the affiliate commission 😂
Thats why I never got it, couldn't figure out how it was profitable to spend that much on marketing. I figured it was selling data or some pay for play scheme but this is wild
It has always been to good to be true.
Working with companies to stop them from fighting back was pretty smart to. Like ”if you dont work with us, we will defeat the purpose of your discounts”
Sometimes I truly think heads of companies are actually possessed by demons. Honey was basically a money printing machine, but someone along the chain of command just couldn't let it sit there and dribble out gold. They just HAD to find a way to get more.
I mean I generally think all "Find You Deals" companies/sites are scammy 9/10 times and manufacture "deals" by raising prices but wow, this is EVEN WORSE!
Also, your Morty Voice! Why is it so good!
It wasn’t
If a class action lawsuit, then sue the shareholders of PayPal. You know, the big fish. Fish glazed in honey.
You know you can not sue the shareholders of a corporation? That's why it's a "legal entity" afforded many rights individuals have. You also realize the stockholders didn't do this, nor did they vote "let's scam everyone". You know the big fish glazed in honey? the CEO who gets a big fat performance bonus for high profits, whoever came up with this scheme and took it to the CEO. The elected officials too busy about trans people in the wrong bathroom instead of catching up to the 21st century wild west of crime, the internet.
This is what I really hate. for them 1 million is small meanwhile it's a dime for the victims.
shareholders are an innocent party though. literally most are normal people and not some rich person
Honey is owned by PayPal --------> Major shareholders of PayPal? You guessed it! BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street. No wonder they're deliberately stealing money🤣
The fact that LMG switched to a company that does the same thing makes me think they felt like something was 'off' with Honey, but they couldn't prove anything. Because if they had known the details behind their scheme, then the logical thing to do would be to check if others are doing the same. That, and at the end of the day, these companies are ripping off content creators more than anything else.
And it's ironic that they didn't have the decency to spread awareness about Honey and switched to a company called KARMA that does the same scummy thing. You can't make this shit up lol
Who's LMG???
No. They actually find this first, ask honey about it, leave, and then keep it quiet. Its on the original vid.
Linus Media Group @@DrawciaGleam02
@@DrawciaGleam02 Linus Media Group, aka Linus Tech Tips (it's the name of the production company that owns all their channels, and is owned 50/50 by Linus and his wife)
Folding Ideas was right on the money for years now, bless you Dan
I JUST FINISHED THAT VIDEO. Bravo to the person who uncovered all of this. I used honey for a short bit years ago but it NEVER WORKED. Now i know why
It worked for me at first. I got about $35 back total from it, but then it hasn't really worked since. The coupons were just a bonus for me, I mainly had it for the cash back aspect.
So iss it stealing from me or no ?
What's ironic is that I saw a honey advertisement right before clicking on this video.
Props to him for making this video, because I'm sure other creators knew, but didn't care.
I think it's inevitable that the "Pie" thing I keep seeing ads for will be debunked as BS.
Who would've guessed honey would be a scam after so many people advertised it
You sound slow It’s In the title
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@@OVOJacob3 what?? I literally just said who would've guessed that it was a scam. I think you're the one who is slow 😭
@VincentVampires hes got OVO in the name, makes sense he's a little slow my good sir
Ever heard of Better Help?? 🤣
6:45 yo that’s crazy!
Ong kyle
Funhaus promoted this years ago and I IMMEDIATELY thought “No way there just helping you get things cheaper. What’s the trick.” Feeling validated years later lol
Suuuure buddy
@@Shellackleits not that crazy someone used commen sense to deduct someyhing has to be a scam
@@Hylarchical Probably not, but what is a little crazy is the sudden influx of hindsight "I ALWAYS knew Honey was evil" stories. Everyone apparently knew the business was shady but absolutely nobody was talking about it seriously until the one exposé video dropped. I don't buy it, I'm calling comment clout-chasing.
Taking the sale when the user presses dismiss or closes the box even when there’s no coupons is absolutely wild.
Lol. When I worked in a computer repair shop, Honey was one of the things I used to remove as malware/adware. Then I would warn customers against its usage.
Based
I used it, but very quickly stopped when it was like "Where's the coupon codes, Honey?" That said, it will be genuinely interesting to see the fallout from this given how many people promoted it like crazy.
yeah, paying someone (a company, in this case) to straight-up lie for you about discounts on purchases seems... less than legal. If you didn't know they were doing that, and you didn't know you were technically paying them by handing your sales commissions over to them, well, that seems... also less than legal. If all of this is legal, maybe we need some better laws. Good on you C for covering MegaLag's vid this fast. Saw that this morning and wondered how long this would take - as usual, no time at all.
A lot of shady finance strategies shouldnt really be legal but are. Thats just life, everyones out to scam you.
This is why I just ignore EVERY ad I see, even if it would be beneficial. I just can't risk sending money only to later turn out to be a scam.
i dont ignore war thunder ads, i love classified documents!
8:30 Another Charlie Jumpscare. Got me shook
All I can find in the EULA for Honey to explain how they work is.. " We make money to sustain the Service when you purchase or engage with these offers." I wonder what the contract looks like when you're sponsored by them. Something like.. "We steal your money to make money when the user engages with these offers"
I'm 67 year's old. This stuff intimidates the heck out of me. It's all just gibberish I don't understand. But even I understand this. Thank you for explaining it in a way I wish my Teacher's would of taught. I click absolutely nothing anywhere. I only check out on Amazon. Again, thanks 😊
It's always good to try and learn! Chatgpt is a good assistant to help with tech literacy, I have it for my parents
Part 2 is apparently gonna be about how Honey bullies ecommerce businesses into working with them. Basically making it impossible to be a marketer unless you work through them
The death of paypal. I mean really since fines are set in dollar amounts of old laws, it won't really hurt them. But paypal should be shut down over this.
Also mega lag has like 300k subs. Without this video blowing up it seems like maybe it could have gone under the rip up good job to them for making such a well made video.
This is the type of thing that separates idiots from above average people. If you’re smart enough you can spot prey in any form. I remember seeing honey ads from MKB I checked it out and instantly stoped because I could tell exactly what it was. I’m not lazy I can find my own coupon codes or just not use them
YOU ACTUALLY MADE A VIDEO ON THIS THANK GOD
Do you see the odd reference in your comment?
@@CowboyPants-h5p like that he sponsored them? If so, that was an accidental reference.
Glad you are taking this to ur channel so more people can see it. We cant just let this fly under the radar especially since it was so heavily pushed on TH-cam
3:43 was a dang jumpscare
he jumped out and scared me
I spit out my pizza laughing at this lol
WROOONG
Reminder that one of the people who made Honey is now making the adblocker Pie, whose obnoxious ads have been all over the site. I believe it's found they're even replacing the cookies of normal websites with their own, so beware. Just wanted to make this known.
Charlie forgot to mention the part at the end where Honey practically extorts non-partnered sites since they have no issue with spreading high percent discounts for those stores, pretty much forcing them to either partner with Honey or lose money to all the discounts.
That's probably in part 2. As seen in some of the clips it hinted that the customer service had to deal with irate customers given false discounts by Honey as punishment for not affiliating with Honey
I mean, the store is still in control of the discount in that situation, if they don’t want people using a discount code they can just turn it off…
If they're stealing affiliate links they're probably doing a lot of other shady things too sure.
@@michaeldempsey22 That's for partners only though. I specifically said non-partnered sites, ie. the ones that don't get a say with Honey.
Those stores that are not paying money to Honey to be partnered and they alone get flooded with high percentage discounts, causing them to either lose money or join Honey. It's like a mafia-style protection racket now that I think about it.
That part isn't in this reaction it's in the original at the very end in a few clips.
Crazy thing is I've actually used it to buy stuff and gotten coupons, but none of them have worked. I don't really buy anything online, but I can think of at least two purchases that I've let Honey find me coupons and the ones they've found do nothing.
As soon as "affiliate link" was mentioned I knew what was going on.
Now how it was happening, just what was happening.
Every single TH-camr who've had affiliate links or referral links have to be part of this lawsuit. There's no telling just how much money they've stolen from creators.
They don’t even give you a single, full noodle from the spaghetti…not even a goddamn nood, only a flat out NO 😭
PayPal is a plague
the hell does that even mean
their customer support is horrid, waste few hours sending me in circles, not even solved
@@gamergod3798PayPal is pretty shady. Seems intuitive
@@gamergod3798 PayPal is a plague
@@gamergod3798 Exactly what it sounds like. PayPal is extremely scummy. They'll use any excuse they can to steal your money. It's relatively safe if you do not make any large purchases or receive significant amount of money from it, or keep your money there... but if you do any of that then you're likely to get screwed over eventually.
So many companies that sponsor a ton of TH-camrs have been shady, betterhelp, established titles, etc, It just makes me sceptical of everything now. but also wouldn't want this to lead to an adpocalypse situation where TH-camrs can't get sponsorships because everyone is wary of them
I was always thinking they stole data, but what they did is even more sneaky. Never could of even IMAGINED something this predatory from a paypal company.
Remember trying it twice, getting no working coupons, then just uninstalled it because it was just more popups with no benefits. Had no idea it was this gross
Scam situation is crazy
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City 17 situtation is crazy
Unoriginal comment situation is crazy
Dead internet theory
huge background jumpscare wtf
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He wheeled out the TV cart like it's movie day in 5th grade
nice copy/paste
That's literally the same background as yesterday's stream
You posted this to get likes. Pathetic
I like the new setup with the CRT and OG Xbox in the background!
It’s crazy I searched this and I don’t see any news articles covering this. I know the news just broke but I’d expect one of the major publications to hop on it. Probably waiting to see if they’re paid off first before they post.
so satisfying to finish watching MegaLag's video thinking about how the official podcast promoted the shit out of this just to see Charlie post a video while I'm watching it
ITS FREEEE
2:31 honey worked for me once, and it never found a coupon code again. So I never reinstalled it when I fresh installed windows
I remember skipping all your segments on honey back in the day 😂
I watched the video from MegaLag only hours ago. It's cool that you immediately reacted and made this video. Some will just ignore it. It's cool you're not one of them and instead make sure people that watch you, but not necessarily MegaLag, know about this.
I just watched a while ago myself. Had never heard of them prior to but megalag got a subscribe from me for the video. I can see now this is going to blow up and I can't wait to see how the rest of the creators who just find out about this react. Lol
Word to the wise… if it’s advertised on YT, it’s probably garbage or a scam…
100%. I have to keep reminding my parents this because they ALWAYS get scammed this way
I'd say any online ad is just fishing for info at bare min
If it's advertised on any sociel media it's likely a scam
So that means every youtuber who gets sponsored is automatically a bad person?
Except if its a new candy, Joyride is pretty good
MrBeast used to get sponsored by Honey ALL the time, with such a large audience the damage must've been crazy
6:36 I had noticed this tab. My assumption was that it was how the program tested out all of the coupon codes.
I couldn't have been more wrong.
I think this is one of the reasons i got the sponsorblock extension, i cannot trust anything youtubers recommend, NOTHING is safe on the internet. If i see a youtuber promoting a product I am 70% certain it is a scam or a bad product
Explained in league terms: honey is the greedy jungler who comes lane, ganks nothing, and smites cannon.
thanks (ive never played lol in my life)
I never had a good feeling about Honey but I never thought it would be this scummy
right??!!!? I also thought it was too good of a tool
Honeys acting like it’s “last one to touch it gets the credit!” 😂🤣 thank god they aren’t in charge of our mail.
The worst thing is that what honey is doing is probably legal. My reasoning is, if they can steal the sale from a click, can't they do the same without?
In that case, why show a message prompting the user to click? Because if the user clicks, they sign some invisible terms of policy agreement, making it legal.
But PayPal’s affiliate code with Amazon or whatever would bind Paypal to the terms of service of amazons affiliate program.
I was waiting for this response video. Much respect
1:15 omg why that so delayed 😭
Charlie is suffering from MegaLag.
@@Chlocean Good one
it was his earphone falling on the desk bro 💀
@ @clarachu0529 But it’s not
Charlie moves .00002 light speed
Insane, even MrBeast even sponsored them years ago. Never thought this day would come for Honey.
that Morty voice was actually spot on. I did not expect that.
Megalag exposed colorblind glasses a while ago too
🤣
Those things have been exposed ever since they came out.Anyone with a basic understanding of color blindness knows it can’t be “cured” with glasses.