We're putting a V10 into a Mazda MX-5! | Ep.3
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A couple of years ago, Mike Fernie set out to make a truly unique MX-5 project car, one powered by a V10 engine. But not just any V10 engine, a tiny, 2.0-litre powertrain from the 1990s. Since then, it has been a turbulent development process to say the least, so Mike has decided to film an update and keep you guys across what is happening.
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The algorithm served me you showing this engine to Gordon Murray yesterday. I wonder if the algorithm decided to drum up interest for this video when you uploaded it in preparation for it going live?
thank you for the update sir. was worried about this project
If they have a 'we'll build them to match demand' business model, and the CNC machines to push an order through when it comes in, that'll make it more sustainable, and that machine will be able to run other work to amortize the costs.
I look forward to a JUDD V10 being fitted to your MX-5.
WHERE DO I GET ONE OF THOSE VW JACKETS???
genuinely thought you guys had quietly scrapped this project. psyched to see it resurface
I don't think you guys would let us away with that, time to push on 💪- Mike
Given all the time talken so far, and how each episode has been "we're very nearly there, it'll be next week or so, in a month guaranteed, next year at the latest, failing that next century for realz." Let's say I'll not be holding my breath.
@@Drivetribethank you, I too had this thought that you ended the project! This is so cool
I HAVE BEEN WAITING WHAT FEELS LIKE YEARS FOR THIS VIDEO
Imagine this in the place of the 2.0L DJet in a 1974 VW/Porsche 914. All the goodness of the MX5, but with a mid-engined layout.
This might be the greatest sports car of all time.
Yeah yeah, just like the old saying: If you want it get done right - do it yourself. 😉😉
With such a specialty engine the move to setting up CNC machines and making crankshafts themselfs was the right choice. This way they can engineer & modernize this niche engine 100% to their likings. 🤘🤘
Find it strange he said the billet is stronger than forging. Thats usually not the case. Guess just weak forgings.
Edit: maybe he meant cast?
I’m keen to see another video on the Subaru when you give it to Richard and hearing it climb the revs
I'd love to see the 2.0 finished and in production too, but if they seriously cant do it, its time to move on
Should put itb’s on it that would sound insane
I wondered about this just the other day, and would you know it, an update appeared
Gordon Murray can probably use that engine too.
You need Allen Millyard…👀
I’ve never clicked on a video faster
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Same here 😂
100%
I always click with the same speed. It's kind of dictated by my mouse and its click-sensor.
Ikrrrrr
You can smell the engineering that has been planned into the V10. It's not just ok lets build what we had. They are truly reworking it from scratch.
reworking someone else's project Is often harder then starting fresh on a version 2.
The engineering smells like pipe tobacco, tea and mustache cream.
And anyone who thinks that's an insult has not met a British engineer before.
@@nedyahyakcam i pictured a very specific looking bloke when you said that, and i immediately wanted to lean over an engine bay and chat with him
You can smell the con
@@nedyahyakcam Smells like tea and crumpets to me. Not to mention fish and chips.
If you're going to go with a different V10 for a parallel project then use a different MX5, you need to keep your MX5 reserved for the Connaught V10 only. Otherwise you seriously risk derailing the project entirely.
Will be interesting to compare the V10 MX5 against a Rocketeer V6 one!
agreed. another v10 in this car means the vr10 project never gets done.
What project?
There is no project just a lot of talk
I totally agree, and hope Mike listens to us!
It will still be my MX-5, just another one! Not sure where any derailing would come from my side, that 2.0-litre engine is still a dream, I just don't want to be making the same video in a year's time and leaving the internet hanging again. It's time to crack on with another cool solution while the Connaught guys figure things out.
@@mikedrivetribe8314we as a world needs this more than the next electric vehicle.
This is going to be beautiful
Mike, don't give up on the little VR10, by that I mean don't put a shortcut v10 in the MX until its ready. It sends the wrong message about the redevelopment of the original engine. Do not do the 'new route'. Support the guys with the original engine, that would and will speak volumes. Happy to help as always.
Fred
Definitely keep your MX5 for the 2.0 car, what we’ve all been waiting for. If there’s going to be another V10, use another MX5 for that one. Just my opinion but with all that work on your car, it’s worthy of all the work going into the 2.0 engine.
I can’t believe you’ve waited this long just to stick a completely different engine in the MX5, then you’re going to buy a different rust bucket to put in the v10 that’s been pretty much custom built and completely reworked! Just wait and stick with the original plan would’ve been much better.
Especially after getting that rust bucket fixed specifically for that amazing engine.
I concur
As it stands, I could be making the exact video in another two years time if I didn't crack on with another solution. We will hopefully end up with TWO mint, V10 MX-5s, so I wouldn't get so hung up on my green car having to be the 2.0-litre one.
Bro if you think the Connaught engine will ever be ready for road use, you're delirious. They already said in this video they're GOING TO buy a 3-axis CNC mill to machine cranks from billet - oh really? When? This year? 2024? 2025?
And they mentioned the cylinder heads are being "modified" - why? If they worked, they'd use them as-is. Cylinder heads are far and away the most complex part on an engine and the hardest part to get right - if they need reworking then there's millions of dollars and years of work involved, easily. That's why almost all other "project" engines like the Hartley Engineering Hayabusa V8s just use factory cylinder heads.
Lol , the guys just said he cant work on a project too long, in a year time there’s gonna be the exact same video of this one. This most likely will never happen.
When the owner is wearing work cargo trousers and a stained jumper, you know he's fully involved in the projects the company is working on. Huge respect for him
He’s not very motivated, hes been sitting on thos
I love how he said that he doesn't want people to come back with a broken crackshaft every year. He's clearly putting a lot of love, thought and money into this and we are all excited for it. Can't wait.
Very happy to see this project resurfacing. This thing’s gonna be a riot when it’s finished!
Edit: man, I agree with the other people in the comments here. I think you should wait to keep the restored MX5 for the VR10. It was destined for it for so long
I was fearing this was gonna be another Vaporware Project. Glad to see it back!
This most likely will never come to fruition, this is too big of an undertaking.
I wonder if the engine would fit in a Caterham, and what the result would be
If it fits in an NB mx5 it'll definitely fit in a Caterham
You can put it in any car. I’d love to see it in a Morris Minor, Mk1 Cortina, Triumph Herald, Austin A40 Devon, you name it.
This definitely needs to be supercharged.... turbocharging it will just muffle the sound... imagine the scream at the top end with a supercharger 🤤
Or get really weird and do an electric supercharger.
@@mckirkus interesting 🤔 that would be actually awesome 🥸
@@mckirkus imagine all that with a close ratio sequential box ... it might actually sound f1 ish 🤯
My thoughts as well.
@@thehomelessproject3784 it's an odd firing v10 so it'd sound more like the judd le mans v10s
That poor MX5 looks like it got pulled out of the ocean. What a fantastic job done by the MX5 restorer...that looks like an immense amount of work!
need someone old enough to know how the cranks used to be made? maybe ask ivan at SHED RACING on youtube for someone who used to help his dad race at brooklands and still works and drives cars fast today. He did his own detective work and ended up with 2 prototype engines for the classic mini and got those running in a series of vids. Great guy, great channel
Anyone fancy a bet on this NOT being finished this year? I appreciate engineering enthusiasts as much as the next bloke, but that spaniel-like enthusiasm, all too often, extends to their lead time predictions. There will be ‘problems’ with the provision of the new milling machine - guaranteed! 😂
I can see this in a Caterham 7, now that would be nuts!!
I wonder what the weight of the sigma v this V10 would be?
Put the powerful V-10 (I'm guessing BMW) in the new car. The green one will be 100% mint. The 2-litre is so unique, it deserves a mint shell.
In my mind a MK1 with the little V10 would be cooler
Mx5 restorer did our MK2 in 2020/1 and they did an AMAZING job. New rear quarter, both sills and a rear arch. All paint matched and as new - class as the car has 23 year old metallic paint. Class 👍
How much did it cost?
@@63CorvetteStingray £5200 including full service and MOT
I've got a NB2 that I'm currently doing a K24A2 swap on, so seeing this project back on the radar is awesome! Can't wait to see how everything progresses. This series is what got me interested in the MX5 world, it's been quite the journey.
I've been debating building one for my e30 that's just been wasting away. Best modern equivalent i can think of to bmw s14 engine.
They said it Connought be done!
This is awesome. The owner seems like a really cool guy. Can't wait to see the end product.
If you've seen this once in the UK engineering scene you've seen it a million times.
"It's been two years and you haven't delivered anything, in fact your less close to a working product than when we started"
"Yes but when we *DO* get it running it will be able to fly and breathe fire!"
If we Brits could only live for a thousand years we would produce the finest engineering on the planet, alas mortality.
Great to see another update on your project. I've read some of the comments below and I have to agree to stick to the original plan with your MX5 and use another MX5 for the new plan of a V10. That way your very own MX5 will be the first to pave the way for a kit that I'm sure many people will be interested in getting for their own project MX5, this will then have a knock on effect to other car kits being made. If I was in your position I would want to be the first. Looking forward to the next update.
Love the enthusiasm for this little MX5. I love them, especially the MK 1. I love to see the skill these guys have in the shop welding and fabricating. I’m loving Yorkshire Car Restoration and their taking on Matt Armstrong’s BMW 635 CSI - that was rotten to the core. Worth checking out.
It's a mk2 not a mk1
Hopefully the MX5 they get for the 2.0 V10 will be a MK1 - would tick all the boxes
I would love to see one of those v10s powering a Tipo 184 up-cycled Mx-5
loving the fact you are actually making the vids longer after a user request (not mine)
keep it up guys ! top notch vids all the time, highly entertaining and informative
Thank u, I had a thought not too longer ago, and felt it had lost all steam hope u can finish this thru. Hope this engine if it, makes it to crate level so others can buy it. Hope the exhaust is on point to enjoy the sympathy of the V10 configuration. This content is rare, where others just bolt on off the shelf items, thank u.
The truly awesome V10 aside . How much more than this car is worth is going into this impressive restoration ?
2 of my favorite things - V10s and Miatas! The third being high cylinder low displacement engines lol. Hopefully the chassis balance can be kept as close to original too, thatd be the cherry on top!
If they get this v10 right, I think they’ll sell a shed load! The mx5 is popular in the states so some would definitely go over there.
"so what's the ETA on getting the V10 running?"
"well the sky is blue, and I once had a dog named Spike"
"so when can we expect to get that cnc working?"
"I once saw a horse on a truck"
"And once the crankshaft and heads are made, when can we get the engine in the MX5?"
"I saw someone drink a gallon of milk before"
Zero straight answers!😂
Would like to see a vid of Jag XF in opening shots 👌🏻
My 1 liter motorcycle makes 180hp.
A 2 liter V10, I expected over 400hp.
If it can't do that... What's the point?
All that effort, getting the original MX5 restored just for the Connaught unit is now being scrapped and another engine is being put in instead?! I think sourcing a different MX5 for the other V10 would be better than sticking it into the freshly restored car.
This is rather disappointing to say the least!
I don't think you need to spend time with a different V10 if you're worrying about us losing interest in this project. If we've waiting this long, we'll wait until the Connaught engine is ready.
Orrrr, you could put a Viper 5.0 liter V10 in the MX-5...
If BDI pull this off I suspect they'll get customers lining up out the door wanting a conversion kit for their cars
If this guy isn’t the worst dressed guy ever, i don’t know who is😂
When this is done, we need a challenge episode. Mike and the V10 MX 5 vs AutoAlex and Phil.
Cool as V10s are, I wonder how much money is going into this before you guys could have got a Synergy V8 or another Hayabusa based V8. They've been working pretty well in Radicals for awhile now.
Those V8s are much wider. And also wildly different to stock.
The point of this project happens to be that engine. It's not sensible, but neither is a radical.
Only one man for the job...... Alan Millard
"Not the point of the project" because I am a content creator and I don't care you hate doing the resto. These time wasting little twirps
Been waiting for this!
Fundamental engine design changes which are untested for durability and still no machines to build components... this is very unlikely to get off the ground imo.
Is it not possible throwing another v10 into your miata might sour the deal you had with bdi? Dont know the terms of the deal, but spending $100,000 on a cnc machine to produce the first v10 for a miata becomes less appealing when its not the first.
It wouldn’t be the first V10 Miata anyways, some madlad put a Viper engine in a NA, and I’d assume selling the motors would be far easier if you could make your own crankshaft, so it’d be a business investment that could pay for itself.
BDI is never going to come through, read between the lines
When you ask a guy whose been promising since 2019 and he tells you next week you kinda have to get the point
@@rbslammed6163 who really knows the deal behind the scenes, we can only speculate. If money changed hands, then progress has to be made, but if not, 🤷♂️
@@rbslammed6163I think your right. The owner said he doesnt like working on 1 project for too long
I could ear this two fine gentlemen speak for hours. So satisfying and easy to understand. Goes to show how meticulous project car stuff is and you can't just bolt some parts in and call it a day.
I can't get over how compact it is for having 10 cylinders. Can't wait to see it and hear it in action
Hmmnnnnnn. I have been in many meetings like the one with BDI that promise completion of bleeding edge projects in the "very near future". I hope your budget is elastic Mike.
yeah yeah mx5 V10, no what i want to know is right at the end... is that an Alfa Van???
I supposed when it comes to grafting a whole MX-5 on your old MX-5. Its not going to be a cheap job.
Must of been minimum 15k
I kinda want to put one in a Panda 4X4...
There is a guy in South Africa building a v12 mx5
Upgrading the engine to roller bearings is no small undertaking . Respect for men with this level of skill , commitment and integrity ! A shame that it seems rare .
It had needle rollers on the crank webs to start with - The crank is appx 100mm diameter, with a bearing outer diameter of 110/115 - Go and see what bearings fit and there 'speed range'.
A Mazda Miata with a Audi 5 cylinder would be cool. It would be like a mini Dodge Viper with the sound from that 5cylinder.
Specifically NB yes
Be cool to see if you could get one of these V10s in a little MR car- a MR2 or Elise perhaps?
First going for a rare 2 litre v10 and now dropping it out with most probably some much more common v10. Seems like a real balldrop.
Got some work done on my mx5 from mx5 restorer, top quality job. Even impressed my local mot tester with the welding.
V10? Instant thumb up! I can't wait to hear this little beast screaming 😋
Finally, an update on why I subscribed
I mean this with love but FINALLY
I would expect more than 110Bhp per litre for so much effort. Especially if it revs to 14k
The video equivalent of "the check's in the mail".
I think using a different V10 would hurt the sales of the other V10 you are waiting for. You can only be the first to put a V10 in an MX5 once.
Special builds like this are worth the wait. Even 20 years if it weren’t being filmed
With all the advancements in CAD and CNC machining, I'd love to see a 1/2 scale Viper V10 engine.
They basically built a new MX-5 from a scratch around a few remaining pieces.
Yeah it's crazy
Hammond Def needs to get behind the wheel of that MX-5 soon, I could see it in his eyes...
Once the engines are all tested and working, an interesting variation on this idea would be putting 2 of those blocks together bottom-to-bottom into a 4L X20, which might just about fit in a large 80s/90s jag, and surely sound absolutely insane
Original company mocked this up
A VR V20. That would be incredible except there's no crank room. Might need two parallel cranks in the block.
Oh or a single-big-end rod
Thanks for listening to us and giving us longer videos going more in depth. If we could get the full build every episode, instead of just skimming over "what's been done recently" like a weekly recap, it would be a welcome return to form. Thank you!
Be amazing if this happens but I won't hold my breath.
I believe you can swap the v10 into anything. I’d like to swap one into a Ford Pop, Mk1 or Mk2 Cortina, Morris Minor, MGTD, MGB, Austin A40 Devon, Austin Cambridge, you name it. If Villiers made them in volume, it would be cult classic in the hot rod, kit car, marine and racing scenes.
Mike... What on earth are you wearing?
can I point out - as others have aleardy said - you are gonna have a right problem getting a different motor in the stock subframe ! thats why I manufacture a tubular replacement , which allows fitment of V6 , V8 , straight 6 , just about anything you can think of.....
2.0ltr V10 12,000rpm and only 200bhp? You can get more than that from the Vauxhall C20XE 2.0ltr 16 valve? That was 156bhp standard, around 190 on carbs or 200bhp on ITBs otherwise STANDARD! If you did head work, cams, blueprint etc then you got 250bhp up to 300bhp! Surely a specialised engine designed for incredibly high revs and 10 cylinders should be giving WAY more than 200bhp?
How much does this block wheigh?
180-220bhp isn't much out of a 2.0L NA engine.
Honda S2000 was getting 237 over 20 years ago.
This stinks of an expensive con...why not transplant an F20C or F22? More powerful, way cheaper, far more serviceable and far more usable.
Loving this series, Mike! I bought a manual Dinan E60 M5 last summer and I absolutely love it. Really enjoyed the E61 swap you guys did.
Since owning the car, I want to get a lightweight sports car to go with it, but I still want a V10. There's just nothing like a high revving V10. I want something unique, so I was thinking of swapping a V10 engine into a light sports car. I really want to do a Judd Racing V10 in a Lotus Elise/Exige, but that's going to be reaaaaally expensive.
Think there is a chance at getting one of these engines for a V10 swap project?
Frankly, I think it's ridiculous to waste an amazing V-10 on an MX-5: this motor deserves to be installed in an ALFA 4C! It seems an obvious choice: the 4C is a fabulous chassis, with a miserable motor. This combination would be a world-beater! Please, please...
Interesting, but a standard MX5 ND will give you 180HP. The standard 4-cylinder block is also smaller and lighter. A BBR conversion costing just 5K will give you 248HP.
Does BDi build and manufacture everything'on the V10, from casting of the head and block. From 91 to 05 I was a metrology technician dimensional Engineer on the tooling approval and Engineering deviation dimensional reports of many types of heads and blocks originally Landrover Aluminium V8 block and heads but also many.others but no V10s but V12s and V8s and straight 6s.
So he never said it'll be another MX5 right?! So, hands up.. who thinks Mike is going twin-engine V5 ??? One VW 2.3l V5 in the front, and one in the back = 340bhp (170 per engine) and AWD :)
What is the weight of this engine vs the weight of the 2.0 engine in an NC MX-5? And would the standard gearbox in the MX5 be compatible with this engine? This would be the ultimate engine swap for an MX5. I've always maintained that all the MX5 needed to take it to the next level was a more special engine, not necessarily a massively powerful engine, but a special one. I always thought this would be an engine that rev'd to 8500rpm...but heck 12 000rpm should do the job too
Nice Northern Ireland private plate on the Jaaaaag there (MIW 500). 👍👍
….and was that some sort of Alfa 147 panel van lash-up in the background towards the end of the video ?? 🤔
Great video and content! I really now want that Blue Mordor jumper, I would appreciate if someone could send me link to buy in the UK 😊
Is it just me? That "tiny" looks so much bigger than a K motor or small block V8.... for way less power, just more revs. But if revs are what you want, the GSXR1300....
But just to be odd and a ton of cylinders and interesting sound.... well its different to be different instead of differe t to be better
Oh man, learning Entrepreneurship skills, what BDI is doing is exactly SWOT, they SAW an opportunity to market this engine as a kit towards mazda MX5 tuners out there, this makes sooo much sense, I dont know you have realized or not, but unconsiously you have helped these guys a lot man. This is a perfect chance to bring back this engine to the masses slowly but surely.
I'd hoped that DriveTribe wouldn't get involved with hyping vanity projects such as this.
Shame. Show it to us when it's a commercially successful project.
Not going to happen,