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- In this Rare Cars documentary, we are going over the story of the INSANE V10 Boss 351 prototype that no one has heard about.
This 5.8L DOHC V10 was built by the Ford Skunkworks team as the next generation of high-performance Ford engines, and it was supposed to be destined for greatness.
But tragically, there was only one of these cars ever made and this special V10 was relegated to just an idea - but that doesn't make this V10 Boss 351 any less special.
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That V-10 prototype was running out at Milan Dragway in 04 and was running as fast as the Ford GT. The engineers told us it would never see production.
Shame. The economy was good back then, they would have sold them if they made them.
Hell even sold as just a crate engine these would sell successfully. Did they tell you any reason why it wouldn’t see production?
@@miguelsantiago6044 they were saying that the mustang was half the price of a GT but could actually outrun it and Ford would not put the GT buyers in that position, back then they didn’t tell us it was a 5.8 liter we never got to see the motor. It spun the tires in almost every gear.
They were actually there to try and break anything on the GT they could but never did. Both cars were running 11’s
@@robertwhitey6621 heartbreaking honestly, they wanted to please the guys who’ll just stick the car in a garage for its whole life rather than the guys who’ll actually drive em😿
@@robertwhitey6621 Weird they went that route, instead of just offering the V10 on the GT as well.
These V10 Mustangs were built in the garage attached to the Dearborn Proving Grounds. I was there doing material testing for Ford. There were 3 V10's just coming apart. 1 Red and 2 silver. The drive-trans were put in 3 Crown Vics. I spoke to one of the test drivers and he said it was such an animal they could never release it, but with the added weight of the Panther it might make a great pursuit vehicle, which it did but Michigan cops said no to the gas mileage. Just before there was the SHOStar, the SHO powered Windstar (2 were made and drove from Detroit to the Oakville assembly Plant in Ontario for feedback) that almost came out as a FreeStar. But again they could not justify the cost.
I remember reading an article about this when this was built back then. It ate transmissions and clutches on the regular.
Also ate 3 9'' rear ends if I remember that article correctly. And lets face it insurance companies wouldn't have touched it.
@@davd2314 I don’t think 400 foot pounds of torque’s gonna eat 9 inch rear ends.
@mauricecooper176 lol right.
@mauricecooper176 build quality. Not every 9 inch rear is built to Strange standards.
@davd2314 Of course it did. Isn't it glorious?
That V10 sounded so damn good too. If only
True but such a different sound than the iconic terminators we got to see
@@oceanwaves83 The Terminator Cobras with the supercharger are kinda unbeatable the way they sound
@@oceanwaves83 I have an 03 10th anniversary in the garage. I would take that N/A 10 sound any day
@@ericwieboldt7042 Why not put a supercharger on the V10 too?
@@pgtmr2713 I didnt say you couldnt. I was just expressing my opinion on the sound of the V10 test mule
I watch this whole video and I don't even get to hear the v10😢
Look up Mustang Terminator V10 you'll be able to hear it not the same person I don't believe
Right , that's what I wanted to hear to lol
Thx for sharing because that’s why I tuned in to hear it!!!
Amen to that
For those who wanted to hear the V10 (That is, everyone who tuned into,this video)
th-cam.com/video/Ub6DlVHWxPM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kf6tYPfS4mzhl6fr
Been a Mustang guy since 1987 when I purchased a new GT. Had some 2000 year stangs but never heard of this v10. Currently have a 17 GT and love it. Thank You
@biy_buildityourself is putting a DOHC V10 in a 2017 Continental. They built the 40 valve heads,it’s a manual and RWD.
Yes! I was also gonna plug them. Awesome build, definitely worth the watch.
@@senatorchinchilla5389 I’m glad they are getting the recognition they deserve. I joined them when they had 800 subs and knew they deserved more. Very talented pair of guys.
🙋🏽♂️🙌🏽
@@biy_buildityourself we got you!!
Their channel and their project has been the single best thing on TH-cam since they started dropping vids. What those guys do is what every car enthusiast should be doing - thinking outside the box and trying some gnarly and original shiz… not just buying Civics or Mustangs and Camaros…
From my copy of the febuary 2004 issue of muscle mustangs and fast fords: "the V-10 was fitted w/ a billet 4130 common pin crankshaft (5 journals, 2 rods per journal) rather than the 1 rod per journal found in the truck production V-10. this prototype V-10
Fires at 90 and 54 degrees. The connecting rods are out if a '03 cobra. The pistons are from a 2000 cobra R ford parts bin.
Redline is 6,900rpm.
The fat part of the power band was from 3,000rpm to 6,900.
The intake was fabricated from two 2000 cobra R Units.
Two 70mm throttle bodys and two 80mm
Mass air meters.
It has 30 pound fuel injectors.
The transmission was a 2000 cobra R six speed stick shift. the shifter is a aftermarket pro 5.0
The rear axle is a 9 inch the article wrongly states it has 3.73 gear. Ford never made a ratio in that size for the 9 inch. That's a 8.8/7.5 rear axle size.They made a 3.89 for the street and for racing made 3.75/3.80/3.89 ratios. So its probably a 3.89.
The suspention was coil over front struts maximum motorsports lower control arms and a tubular K Member.with stock type shocks and griggs racing caster camber plates.
As some other commenter said MM&FF
Magazine this test mule was driven to and tested at milan Dragway.
The best 1/4 mile time on BFG G-Force street tires was
12.83 at 116.25. Then they went crazy and
Dumped the clutch at
7,000rpm with mickey Thomson drag slicks
And got a 11.51 at 118.19mph! You can like some others have (theres you tube videos of it) and build your own V-10 mustang....if you can get one of the truck
engines out if the junkyard, rebuild it and the 4.6 stickshift transmission bolts up to
It....if you have the money and time.
I remember that issue. The good old days of relaxing with a pile of car magazines.
I love it Ford needs to revisit that concept
Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?
Can you imagine a coyote platform v10 💪
imagine gt90 now ifkyk
@@TheRealCatof cause they like money, and not stupid environmentalists like yourself.
@@TheRealCatof _Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?_
Not willingly. Why? To differentiate themselves clearly from the tota|itarian EPA forced cookie cutter versions of jap junk clones. If we could just get the government, the beaurecrats at the EPA, out of the way. That would also allow for cheaper fuel, which is being controlled by uneIected, totaIitarian beaurecrats at the EPA also.
The best part about this story is that the prototype still exists and was not sent to the crusher.
Bonus: a 427ci v10 (based off this engine) is what powered the Shelby Cobra concept (project Daisy)
Where is it now?
@@prds25386 IDK, I remember Hot Rod Magazine running a multi-page article about it being "found" several years ago. (Included a photo shoot)
I was told by somebody that worked on this car at Dearborn that it was destroyed. I’ve ridden in this car before & I trust this person’s word so unless you have pics, I doubt it very much.
@@koobs4549 maybe he meant the one that was destroyed was the 1st body after the engine was put into the silver mustang?
@@prds25386 I am only referring to the engine, there was no prototype body. The engine was a secret, that the Ford higher ups were not even aware of. As far as I’m aware, that engine was only ever in the gray Boss 351 body. I don’t know why they would destroy a Boss 351 test sled, when there’s nothing in the body that they wanted to keep away from the prying eyes of the competition, it was the engine that was unique, not the car body.
"Built it yourself" channel is building a Triton 4v DOHC .
Is a travesty how small they still are, amazing build
Holy shit a V10 mustang I'm in
Crazy but I'd get one if I could. 😊
You 20yrs tolate
My stepdad had a purple 01 he dumped a viper motor in
Just slap a triton V10 in there. It won't rev high but it's a cheap V10 that will bolt up to a Ford cross member
Not only would I buy one but now I want to build one
I love it too much power is always just enough
I haven't heard of this particular Mustang that you are talking about in this story, but I do know in this same time period Ford had a concept Cobra that they were taking to shows which had a DOHC 6.4 liter V-10 that they had a Mustang running around with the test mule motor for that particular concept car. The car had a huge buzz and even appeared in a movie, but Ford chose not to bring it to production. Instead they shocked everyone a came out with the Ford GT instead. No one new that was coming. Possible the concept Cobra was a decoy.
This channel has been making some awesome videos lately!
good job on your video. Well presented. Thank you
the DOHC 4.6 also went in the Lincoln MK VIII LSC
I believe Lincoln had it first right?
Yes In 1993 it went into the first generation mark 8
@@Diesel257Yes you are right.
The intech 4.6 doesn’t have the same heads and has a lot more electronic issues.
@@NewEdgeDesigns there’s only 1 generation of the mark viii and it aligns with the 9th generation of continentals
Knew a guy who put a v10 in a 97 mustang GT back in 99 up in yellowknife. That dude was a mustang genius
You wouldn't be talking about "Dan Webb"?
You know Greg?
Mark was the guys name, he was in with the King family (Kingland Ford) and that guy was an absolute genius with Ford products. Him and Spencer King put that Triton V10 on that Orange with Blue Stripes mustang, seen it when he pulled into YK motors for gas and he popped the hood... I was floored, said it only took him like 2hrs to get to YK from Hay River minus the Merv Hardy ride across the Mackenzie
This was back in 98 or 99 I'd say
The 4 valve 4.6 is an amazing sounding engine. The extra exhaust valve makes that motor sound so nice!!
Some engineer has that V10 in his basement just waiting for the perfect donor car.
What a blast from the past remember reading about it in one of the major auto mags from the day. If Ford dusted of the Triton V10 castings, updated the heads, cams, and ECU programming and revisited that two seater Shelby GR concept as a reborn Thunderbird, I'd be all in!
"Mustang V10, now able to take out 25% bigger crowds."
It would only hit the wall sooner instead of later with the 4.6L they came with originally.
Thanks for the video
I was part of the retro-stang design works in a peripheral sense. I was an independant designer. The V10 was supposed to be a variable-supercharged 427 with all the modern goodies. Old hat now. I guess Colletti had to find out if i was right, eh?
Nobody asked for story time or for your hopes and dreams. People like you are why aliens won't talk to us.
Never heard of this. Thank you
I read about this car back in the day and was absolutely amazed. Is the 5.8L V10 the same one they used in the Shelby Cobra and GR1 concepts ?
Great video, thanks for sharing the knowledge, and cheers !
I got to see one of these on display at Mustang Alley a few years ago at the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit, MI. Ford had a little plaque set up talking about it, but this shed some more light on the build. It was silver just like the one on the video. It may have been the same one, idk how many were built. Good video!
Great show and very interesting 😮thank you very much from Sydney Australia 😊
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Had a crazt thought about doing this some years back in a 1965. Lots of work and money.
I knew there was some Darrel out there somewhere. I imagined it went something like this " Jimmy, go on down to the store and pick us up a case of the good stuff. It's gonna be a long night"
This was a wicked machine, the BIY guys are building their own
I remember a magazine article covering the build. The cover caught my eye cause it said “Boss 351” and initially figured they were going to pass a 351W as a new Boss. That Ford would have offered a retooled and updated 351C was too much to ask though it might have been easier to fit between the Fox strut towers(?). My last toy was a 5.0 HO and though I’ve owned a couple of vehicles since then with the 4.6 and 5.4 Mod, tech has passed me by and my mediocre mechanical skills that were sufficient enough for a 13 second Fox body Stang were completely kicked to the side of the road thanks to computers and coil packs and metric measurements. But it’s good to remind some of us and educate a new generation or two that the folks at SVO were not necessarily sitting around idle.
After building a couple of Mopar B engines I tried my hand on a trashed DOHC V-8; I totally relate to your feelings!
I’m thinking fuel economy and emissions were the deciding factors ultimately
and price. reliability. liability. running costs. market share.
life isnt black and white.
@@godsinbox market share is one that would be there along with emissions and fuel economy. By this time Camaro / Trans Am were dead, so they didn’t really need anything more than the cobra and Mach 1.
However reliability, liability, running costs, and even price, I doubt it. Engine was based on 4.6 modular components, it could’ve followed suit like the 6.8-5.4 if massed produced. Imagine a 4.6 based v10 that could power the F150 fleet like the 6.8 was to the super duty. That idea alone points more to the fuel and emissions being the issue more so, as the v8s did the job.
Liability, Ford had the Terminator and the Cobra R which had already been produced so not likely that either, and the Ford GT concept was in the works.
I would absolutely love to own one.
I got to work on some of the cylinder head tooling for the stretched V10 versions around this time. Great experience just after graduating HS.
I loved this car when I saw videos of it in the early 2000s. Such a cool and unique car.
I just saw a video on TH-cam where three blokes did this in their garage! Sounds epic
I bought one of the Mystichrome Cobra convertibles in 2004. Loved that car. The only mods I did was a smaller pulley on the supercharger and a K&N air intake. Ended up trading it in on a 2006 GTO when they came out… the GTO was fun to drive but not much to look at tho
Why would you ever trade in a limited run cobra of only 1,010 made for a friggin Pontiac. I think your full of it.
@@advanceddarkness3 I’m full of it? I have plenty of photos of both cars. The ford was a POS. The back bumper had some crazy warping blemish to it, it handled like crap, the interior was cheap plastic garbage (except for the seats). The GTO was quicker, handled better and more fun to drive…. Have you not owned any nice cars or something? Is that why you think I’m full of it? What an ignorant comment
Great vid.
BIY has a channel where they are building their own Modular V10 in the same manner. Head over there to hear it.
I've been in many arguments about this car. No one believed me it was a 351 v10 "because Fords v10 was a 6.8". Finally, a video about it! It was in motortrend September 03 issue.
I thought there was only 1 made as a test mule for the engine. Not much of a Ford fan but I wish they made that motor in production.
Give the NEW GTD THE V10 2024
Imagine a V10 coyote
No, stop it mustang boi's... don't be dum
I remember reading about these back in the day
I was parked next to this car at motorcity foxfest meet and greet last year and had no clue about it until he popped the hood. Cool getting to hear the history of it.
I am sure the sound is out the. I remember this car. The sound of the v-10 is very cool.
I remember seeing this Mustang in old tv car shows. It was not a prototype for a new performance mustang. It was a test mule for the Shelby GR1 that unfortunately never happened. That has got to be the meanest sounding V10 ever!
Saw it in person at the Mustang birthday event in Nashville 2004.
Right in my back yard, worked at r+l right next to the dragstip there for a bit over a year, the cars would rattpe the building, youd feel it in your chest even from across the street.
Always wondered what you drove
Do a video on the V-12 LS Corvette next!
We need to hear it!!
This is cool
I remember when this was supposed to come out.
I'd go for it in a blink!
The V10 Boss was supposed to hit the crusher too but luckily escaped I think MotorTrend did 2 articles about the car. And videos. That Boss 351 V10 sounds so good
LOL!!! That was the best red neck engine install ever!
It's amazing what they've done with the mustang since then
I would buy that in a heartbeat!❤❤
I got to ride in this exact car as a teen, I have a couple of pics of the outside & I’ve seen the engine, I was NOT allowed to take pics of the engine. It laid rubber for an entire block, it was INSANE!!!
I love that you showed footage of ItsNotan8's Mustang doing donuts. I'm slowly restoring an 02 V6 5 spd and want to get mine like his. It only takes a little love to get the V6 and New Edge to super fun levels, while still being THE Mustang (the V8 is the Mustang GT).
I hear the V6 can handle better coz less nose heavy. Blower would probably get it to GT power. Curious if there is a legit V6 community doing this. Could see these being good road racers. Cheaper to get into one, strong after market support for Fox body handling and the T-Bird SC proves the concept.
@@freeandresrivera What I discovered after I got into restoring mine was there are now only a few still actively into these at the moment.
When the 05 retro Stangs came out they completely took over and Ford kept the minds and hearts of enthusiasts with their updates and then into the S550 platform.
What you have to do is search old posts of forums (usually pre 2010 or so) to get into this Stang's glory days. Most of what you might want to know is there.
You are not wrong about anything you said, and it's all why I got one.
Super!
There's a car craft mag I remember on it
5:55 "since it already used a variety of Cobra parts already"
Couldn't have said it better myself
Someone bought the Joe Jefferson Vocabulary Builder Upper.
From Joe Jefferson Spanish El Learno Systemo:
"Now I can speak more better with the coworkers I work with at work!" lol
Good old project Petunia
Petunia wasn't this car, Petunia was the code name for the 2005 Ford GT.
@06VistaBlueGT1 the engine was intended for the gt and wasn't ready in time. The mustang was just a test bed. The boss 351 was intended to be launched 1 year after the gt
I get that but the actual name Petunia was the inside code for the GT to not alert the car media what Ford was actually working on.
Wasn’t the dual overhead cam mod v8 also in the marauder?
Atleast Ford engineers are able to have fun building things, we probably wouldn't have the newer Ford GT's without that.
They already had the V10 from the Excursion/F250 so lets have some fun!! Its what hot rodders do, it actually fits really well in that Mustang 🐎
The truck engine is cast iron. Way too heavy for anything other than a dedicated drag racer. That much weight on the front axle would have serious understeer problems.
My favorite modern mustang body style.
the V-10 ended up in the new Shelby Cobra concept.
in a more pretty aesthetic
The moment I heard the sound of this particular V10 is the moment I would say yes I want 2 extra cylinders. The Viper never did it for me.
It was a dream of mine to do this to my mustang back when I was a kid
Around 2004 - 2006 I saw a V 10 Mustang in Vegas driving on the street . It was a dark red color with a V 10 emblem on the rear deck by the right rear taillight. It was definitely a V 10 by the exhaust sound !……
I would love to have one of these
Me too...
Ford Australia put Double Over Head Cams on the 5.4 and a T56 six speed manual in our Ford Falcons from 2000 untill they changed to the Supercharged 5.0 Coyote in
2015 , the 5.4 four valve engine was called a Boss 260 or 302 or 317 or 325 depending on KW power , IE a Boss 345 had 345 kw of power !
That’s why they used the style of the coolant crossover like in the 1996 through 1998 cobra
V10 351 sounds like a rev machine
Anyone remember the '94 Mustang Boss 10L concept as well? As a Ford enthusiast the what could have been concept cars Ford teased would make you drool and cry at the same time.
Also as someone who owned several Thunderbird SC back in the the day, the rumor of a 4.6 DOHC SVT Tbird in the late '90's was music to my ears and I had my checkbook ready but alas we know how that story ended.
I've had mustangs going back my the first, a dark green 66 fast back 4bbl 4 spd and The only afftermarket parts was a crane cam and a 8 trek' craig power play distortin' machine, the first tape was the white cream ...ahhh' the days. I bought it instead of a red 66 conv. with the HiPo premium, 289. But today,, 50 years later, would I buy the factory 10 cyl mustang in the vid with a truck motor? Hell yes I would buy it!
I never heard nobody call S.O.H.C sock.🤣
I was wondering what sock was 💀🤣
6:25 the term “positraction”is exclusive to GM’s and Mopar called it “sure grip”and Ford and mercury called it “traction loc”
Once you started listing all the power figures and how awesome the car could’ve been, I lost it🤣. Made me so sad.
Must've been where @BIY got the idea of a DOHC Ford V10
I'm actually debating slimming down a v10 to bare necessities, beefing up the suspension on my '05 GT and throwing the v10 in to see what monster comes out the other side
Great
First view and comment. Awesome. Thanks for the great video. Always like to learn about obscure cars
Sock for SOC (single overhead cam) !
In a heart beat
Around 2004 Ford Australia also built a V10 Mustang (could be the same one). It was purpose built as a burnout car with 2 or 3 handbrakes. I remember seeing it in a magazine and a glimpse of it on the back of a tow truck going past my work. Pretty sure it was white on the front, blue in the rear with a chrome pony in the centre dividing the two
2001, Tickford Engineering built one in conjunction with Herrod for Ford Australia as a promo vehicle. It wasn’t the same car as this. Used the 6.8L with a sprintex supercharger. That car was a red convertible. I know Rob Herrod drove it for burnouts.
A v10 would be epic
There was a V10 corvette prototype in the corvette Museum in BG
They had this V10 in Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 if I’m not mistaken. 174mph was nicceeee
Ive been building open source ECU's since around 2008 when i first got my hands on an arduino.
With 1999-04 V6 mustangs available on the cheap i figured out it was pretty easy to yank the 3.8 in favor of V8 goodness. Not the 4.6 though that refit requires a stupid amount of work, no no the venerable windsor 302 5.0 was our weapon of choice. And yeah living in NE Pennsylvania where we dont have emissions testing (Schuylkill co. For the win) helps with this but as these cars age maintaining a passing grade via the sniffer isnt hard either especially with the electronics available today. Initially i had the car setup with the ecu controlling only fuel with an alpha n strategy. think holley projection 2d, uses a fuel map, engine speed, tps, and coolant temp as its inputs and a narrow band o2 sensor for closed loop running on the highway. I wired the car through relay banks so the windows, radio and other accessories still worked, then as CAN sniffer modules became available they cluld be integrated to talk to the BCM and get it to play nice. The last iteration used an EDIS8 36-1 trigger wheel with a set of Ls finned truck coils mounted to the valve covers and an explorer cam sync / oil pump driver.
Megasquirt used to be the end all of inexpensive stand alone ecu's but theyve since gotten too big for their own good. So if you want to try a cheap open source ecu thats hust as functional as anything made by holley , fast, edelbrock etc.. Then check out Speeduino, you can get a fully.assembled board from guys like detonation ems for $90 That handles fuel, and timing up to 16 cylinders in case thats your thing, you tune it with Tuner Studios free version or if you want things like a "self tune" feature thatll tune everything but wide open throttle than there is a paid version you can get. Ok anyway rant over
A guy in my neighborhood put a V10 badge on his 2000 V6 like he's fooling anyone...😂
There’s a guy on TH-cam who put a triton v10 in a 2000 v6 mustang. Could be him
bro why did the title of the video make me laugh so hard its just so outrageous lmao 😂😂😂
Crazy that ecu and tuning was such a huge obstacle.
Im a Ford guy, WTH were they thinking not making it available.... if the price was fair it would have sold like hotcakes.
Damn thing would have been a BEAST. I wana hear this thing!
Recon the terminator was less costly to introduce, they really should have kept it around for a Shelby option or a interesting use case in the 05 gt it's probably the 6.8 reputation as a uhaul motor that scared them away from v10s because only another gearhead would understand the difference in engine origin so the average person who rented a uhaul would assume its like that trash
Where did the V10 Judd motor come from?
Judd is based in the UK and has ties with Yamaha.
It wasn't a Judd engine. It was made by ford. Ford made there own V-10 and put in alot of there heavy duty trucks and in the excursion and econoline vans. SVT took one of these engines and hot rodded it for a mustang. Google ford V-10. you'll see.
@@coletrickle-km7cl that's completely wrong, did you not watch the video? The V10 in the mustang has nothing to do with the Triton, they cut up some of the all aluminium quad cam engines from the Cobra R to build a bespoke V10
Should have made this with a transaxle in the rear to help balance out the added weight to the front. It would be sitting hear in 2024 as a living legend.
I’ll take that V10 any day!!!
I feel like it would have to go into a cobra R or something that has the suspension to handle all the extra weight and momentum being added..
Lol 2:50 kinda like my dad’s, but a ProCharger(can’t tell what kind that is, doesn’t look Vortec)