That V-10 prototype was running out at Milan Dragway in 04 and was running as fast as the Ford GT. The engineers told us it would never see production.
@@miguelsantiago6044 they were saying that the mustang was half the price of a GT but could actually outrun it and Ford would not put the GT buyers in that position, back then they didn’t tell us it was a 5.8 liter we never got to see the motor. It spun the tires in almost every gear. They were actually there to try and break anything on the GT they could but never did. Both cars were running 11’s
@@robertwhitey6621 heartbreaking honestly, they wanted to please the guys who’ll just stick the car in a garage for its whole life rather than the guys who’ll actually drive em😿
These V10 Mustangs were built in the garage attached to the Dearborn Proving Grounds. I was there doing material testing for Ford. There were 3 V10's just coming apart. 1 Red and 2 silver. The drive-trans were put in 3 Crown Vics. I spoke to one of the test drivers and he said it was such an animal they could never release it, but with the added weight of the Panther it might make a great pursuit vehicle, which it did but Michigan cops said no to the gas mileage. Just before there was the SHOStar, the SHO powered Windstar (2 were made and drove from Detroit to the Oakville assembly Plant in Ontario for feedback) that almost came out as a FreeStar. But again they could not justify the cost.
So Ford ended up destroying these? If so, that’s such a shame. I wasn’t familiar with the SHOstar. That sounds very, very interesting, especially if it had a 5-speed manual. I’ll have to research that one, I love hopped-up minivans.
To my knowledge, there was only one built, and that came from one of the guys that spearheaded the project back in the day, if you work/worked at Ford at the time let me know, I don't want to just throw his name out there, he worked closely, and actually hid the car from vehicle control because they got word of this project while a "change of internal power" was existing at the time, budget costs, etc and they were searching for this car because they heard that it was funded by literally a Ford corporate card and some "cowboy" engineers at the time...ask me how I know this, and I will go onto say a said engineer did alot of work in his own garage with the help of other engineers to bring this iconic concept car to flourishon
Been a Mustang guy since 1987 when I purchased a new GT. Had some 2000 year stangs but never heard of this v10. Currently have a 17 GT and love it. Thank You
From my copy of the febuary 2004 issue of muscle mustangs and fast fords: "the V-10 was fitted w/ a billet 4130 common pin crankshaft (5 journals, 2 rods per journal) rather than the 1 rod per journal found in the truck production V-10. this prototype V-10 Fires at 90 and 54 degrees. The connecting rods are out if a '03 cobra. The pistons are from a 2000 cobra R ford parts bin. Redline is 6,900rpm. The fat part of the power band was from 3,000rpm to 6,900. The intake was fabricated from two 2000 cobra R Units. Two 70mm throttle bodys and two 80mm Mass air meters. It has 30 pound fuel injectors. The transmission was a 2000 cobra R six speed stick shift. the shifter is a aftermarket pro 5.0 The rear axle is a 9 inch the article wrongly states it has 3.73 gear. Ford never made a ratio in that size for the 9 inch. That's a 8.8/7.5 rear axle size.They made a 3.89 for the street and for racing made 3.75/3.80/3.89 ratios. So its probably a 3.89. The suspention was coil over front struts maximum motorsports lower control arms and a tubular K Member.with stock type shocks and griggs racing caster camber plates. As some other commenter said MM&FF Magazine this test mule was driven to and tested at milan Dragway. The best 1/4 mile time on BFG G-Force street tires was 12.83 at 116.25. Then they went crazy and Dumped the clutch at 7,000rpm with mickey Thomson drag slicks And got a 11.51 at 118.19mph! You can like some others have (theres you tube videos of it) and build your own V-10 mustang....if you can get one of the truck engines out if the junkyard, rebuild it and the 4.6 stickshift transmission bolts up to It....if you have the money and time.
@@senatorchinchilla5389 I’m glad they are getting the recognition they deserve. I joined them when they had 800 subs and knew they deserved more. Very talented pair of guys.
Their channel and their project has been the single best thing on TH-cam since they started dropping vids. What those guys do is what every car enthusiast should be doing - thinking outside the box and trying some gnarly and original shiz… not just buying Civics or Mustangs and Camaros…
@TheRealCatof _Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?_ Not willingly. Why? To differentiate themselves clearly from the tota|itarian EPA forced cookie cutter versions of jap junk clones. If we could just get the government, the beaurecrats at the EPA, out of the way. That would also allow for cheaper fuel, which is being controlled by uneIected, totaIitarian beaurecrats at the EPA also.
@TheRealCatof _Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?_ Not willingly. Why? To differentiate themselves clearly from the tota|itarian EPA coerced cookie cutter versions of jap junk clones.
The best part about this story is that the prototype still exists and was not sent to the crusher. Bonus: a 427ci v10 (based off this engine) is what powered the Shelby Cobra concept (project Daisy)
I was told by somebody that worked on this car at Dearborn that it was destroyed. I’ve ridden in this car before & I trust this person’s word so unless you have pics, I doubt it very much.
@@prds25386 I am only referring to the engine, there was no prototype body. The engine was a secret, that the Ford higher ups were not even aware of. As far as I’m aware, that engine was only ever in the gray Boss 351 body. I don’t know why they would destroy a Boss 351 test sled, when there’s nothing in the body that they wanted to keep away from the prying eyes of the competition, it was the engine that was unique, not the car body.
What a blast from the past remember reading about it in one of the major auto mags from the day. If Ford dusted of the Triton V10 castings, updated the heads, cams, and ECU programming and revisited that two seater Shelby GR concept as a reborn Thunderbird, I'd be all in!
I haven't heard of this particular Mustang that you are talking about in this story, but I do know in this same time period Ford had a concept Cobra that they were taking to shows which had a DOHC 6.4 liter V-10 that they had a Mustang running around with the test mule motor for that particular concept car. The car had a huge buzz and even appeared in a movie, but Ford chose not to bring it to production. Instead they shocked everyone a came out with the Ford GT instead. No one new that was coming. Possible the concept Cobra was a decoy.
That is a very cool build, not nearly as good as this V10. “Built it yourself” are still using the 6.8 Triton split-pin crank (weak at the rod journal) and 6.8 iron block. They also used 03/04 Cobra style cylinder heads. This V10 was an odd-fire V10 without split pin rod journals and used the Ford GT heads (05-06 GT/07-14 GT500) as the basis for the 10 cylinder heads. GT heads are a much stronger casting with far superior intake port geometry (and flow) than the 03 Cobra heads.
Mark was the guys name, he was in with the King family (Kingland Ford) and that guy was an absolute genius with Ford products. Him and Spencer King put that Triton V10 on that Orange with Blue Stripes mustang, seen it when he pulled into YK motors for gas and he popped the hood... I was floored, said it only took him like 2hrs to get to YK from Hay River minus the Merv Hardy ride across the Mackenzie This was back in 98 or 99 I'd say
I knew there was some Darrel out there somewhere. I imagined it went something like this " Jimmy, go on down to the store and pick us up a case of the good stuff. It's gonna be a long night"
I remember reading about this car in a few magazines. I recall that the cylinder angle was changed from 90 degrees to a more tolerable one for a v-10 application. That's why they didn't need a split journal crank. It was also a huge factor on why it wasn't produced. It couldn't machine on existing fixtures. Does anyone else remember this?
To say that Ford "lost their mind" by putting a V10 in a Mustang eliminates you from adult conversation. They "lost their mind" when they didn't follow through with it!
I remember a magazine article covering the build. The cover caught my eye cause it said “Boss 351” and initially figured they were going to pass a 351W as a new Boss. That Ford would have offered a retooled and updated 351C was too much to ask though it might have been easier to fit between the Fox strut towers(?). My last toy was a 5.0 HO and though I’ve owned a couple of vehicles since then with the 4.6 and 5.4 Mod, tech has passed me by and my mediocre mechanical skills that were sufficient enough for a 13 second Fox body Stang were completely kicked to the side of the road thanks to computers and coil packs and metric measurements. But it’s good to remind some of us and educate a new generation or two that the folks at SVO were not necessarily sitting around idle.
I bought one of the Mystichrome Cobra convertibles in 2004. Loved that car. The only mods I did was a smaller pulley on the supercharger and a K&N air intake. Ended up trading it in on a 2006 GTO when they came out… the GTO was fun to drive but not much to look at tho
@@advanceddarkness3 I’m full of it? I have plenty of photos of both cars. The ford was a POS. The back bumper had some crazy warping blemish to it, it handled like crap, the interior was cheap plastic garbage (except for the seats). The GTO was quicker, handled better and more fun to drive…. Have you not owned any nice cars or something? Is that why you think I’m full of it? What an ignorant comment
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I was part of the retro-stang design works in a peripheral sense. I was an independant designer. The V10 was supposed to be a variable-supercharged 427 with all the modern goodies. Old hat now. I guess Colletti had to find out if i was right, eh?
I got to see one of these on display at Mustang Alley a few years ago at the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit, MI. Ford had a little plaque set up talking about it, but this shed some more light on the build. It was silver just like the one on the video. It may have been the same one, idk how many were built. Good video!
@@godsinbox market share is one that would be there along with emissions and fuel economy. By this time Camaro / Trans Am were dead, so they didn’t really need anything more than the cobra and Mach 1. However reliability, liability, running costs, and even price, I doubt it. Engine was based on 4.6 modular components, it could’ve followed suit like the 6.8-5.4 if massed produced. Imagine a 4.6 based v10 that could power the F150 fleet like the 6.8 was to the super duty. That idea alone points more to the fuel and emissions being the issue more so, as the v8s did the job. Liability, Ford had the Terminator and the Cobra R which had already been produced so not likely that either, and the Ford GT concept was in the works.
I've been in many arguments about this car. No one believed me it was a 351 v10 "because Fords v10 was a 6.8". Finally, a video about it! It was in motortrend September 03 issue. I thought there was only 1 made as a test mule for the engine. Not much of a Ford fan but I wish they made that motor in production.
@06VistaBlueGT1 the engine was intended for the gt and wasn't ready in time. The mustang was just a test bed. The boss 351 was intended to be launched 1 year after the gt
Atleast Ford engineers are able to have fun building things, we probably wouldn't have the newer Ford GT's without that. They already had the V10 from the Excursion/F250 so lets have some fun!! Its what hot rodders do, it actually fits really well in that Mustang 🐎
The truck engine is cast iron. Way too heavy for anything other than a dedicated drag racer. That much weight on the front axle would have serious understeer problems.
It wasn't a Judd engine. It was made by ford. Ford made there own V-10 and put in alot of there heavy duty trucks and in the excursion and econoline vans. SVT took one of these engines and hot rodded it for a mustang. Google ford V-10. you'll see.
@@coletrickle-km7cl that's completely wrong, did you not watch the video? The V10 in the mustang has nothing to do with the Triton, they cut up some of the all aluminium quad cam engines from the Cobra R to build a bespoke V10
Around 2004 - 2006 I saw a V 10 Mustang in Vegas driving on the street . It was a dark red color with a V 10 emblem on the rear deck by the right rear taillight. It was definitely a V 10 by the exhaust sound !……
I got to ride in this exact car as a teen, I have a couple of pics of the outside & I’ve seen the engine, I was NOT allowed to take pics of the engine. It laid rubber for an entire block, it was INSANE!!!
I was parked next to this car at motorcity foxfest meet and greet last year and had no clue about it until he popped the hood. Cool getting to hear the history of it.
I remember seeing this Mustang in old tv car shows. It was not a prototype for a new performance mustang. It was a test mule for the Shelby GR1 that unfortunately never happened. That has got to be the meanest sounding V10 ever!
I read about this car back in the day and was absolutely amazed. Is the 5.8L V10 the same one they used in the Shelby Cobra and GR1 concepts ? Great video, thanks for sharing the knowledge, and cheers !
Right in my back yard, worked at r+l right next to the dragstip there for a bit over a year, the cars would rattpe the building, youd feel it in your chest even from across the street.
Im a Ford guy, WTH were they thinking not making it available.... if the price was fair it would have sold like hotcakes. Damn thing would have been a BEAST. I wana hear this thing!
Anyone remember the '94 Mustang Boss 10L concept as well? As a Ford enthusiast the what could have been concept cars Ford teased would make you drool and cry at the same time. Also as someone who owned several Thunderbird SC back in the the day, the rumor of a 4.6 DOHC SVT Tbird in the late '90's was music to my ears and I had my checkbook ready but alas we know how that story ended.
The V10 Boss was supposed to hit the crusher too but luckily escaped I think MotorTrend did 2 articles about the car. And videos. That Boss 351 V10 sounds so good
Ford made an all aluminum DOHC V10 for the Sherman tank. So they're playing with this concept over and over, when the timing is right. They'll do it again, hopefully
My dad worked at some of the Ford offices just down from the SVT department until around 2006, he said somebody drove the v10 Mustang to lunch everyday.
I love that you showed footage of ItsNotan8's Mustang doing donuts. I'm slowly restoring an 02 V6 5 spd and want to get mine like his. It only takes a little love to get the V6 and New Edge to super fun levels, while still being THE Mustang (the V8 is the Mustang GT).
I hear the V6 can handle better coz less nose heavy. Blower would probably get it to GT power. Curious if there is a legit V6 community doing this. Could see these being good road racers. Cheaper to get into one, strong after market support for Fox body handling and the T-Bird SC proves the concept.
@@freeandresrivera What I discovered after I got into restoring mine was there are now only a few still actively into these at the moment. When the 05 retro Stangs came out they completely took over and Ford kept the minds and hearts of enthusiasts with their updates and then into the S550 platform. What you have to do is search old posts of forums (usually pre 2010 or so) to get into this Stang's glory days. Most of what you might want to know is there. You are not wrong about anything you said, and it's all why I got one.
Recon the terminator was less costly to introduce, they really should have kept it around for a Shelby option or a interesting use case in the 05 gt it's probably the 6.8 reputation as a uhaul motor that scared them away from v10s because only another gearhead would understand the difference in engine origin so the average person who rented a uhaul would assume its like that trash
I've had mustangs going back my the first, a dark green 66 fast back 4bbl 4 spd and The only afftermarket parts was a crane cam and a 8 trek' craig power play distortin' machine, the first tape was the white cream ...ahhh' the days. I bought it instead of a red 66 conv. with the HiPo premium, 289. But today,, 50 years later, would I buy the factory 10 cyl mustang in the vid with a truck motor? Hell yes I would buy it!
Should have made this with a transaxle in the rear to help balance out the added weight to the front. It would be sitting hear in 2024 as a living legend.
Here's a little info from Wikipedia on the 2004 Shelby Cobra Concept. The Shelby Cobra concept features an all-aluminum, V10 engine, displacing 6.4 L (390 cu in) that produces 645 hp (481 kW) at 6,750 rpm and 501 ft⋅lbf (679 N⋅m) of torque at 5,500 rpm. The engine redlines at 6,800 rpm, and Ford claims it is capable of reaching 207 mph (333 km/h), though the car is reportedly electronically limited to only 100 mph (161 km/h).
There is two younger guys on TH-cam building a dual overhead cam V10 Ford engine for a newer Lincoln Continental I wish I could think of the name of the channel
I never knew of this. I did know ford had a v10. My father bought a v10 ecconoline van and mentioned it should go into a mustang. I thought it too heavy and he remarked that it was a 351 just with smaller cylinders. But mentioned two more cylinders popping makes for more acceleration. This sure was a missed opportunity for Ford. That engine refined a bit more would have taken the fight to GM.
We borrowed Dad's V10 Econoline to drive 300 miles and pick up our son at the Atlanta airport, my wife driving. Once on the interstate I noticed the wind noise picking up and took a peek at the speedo, "My love, how fast are you wanting to go?" She says 80 mph, looks down and yelps. She was going 90, and coasted back down to 80. A few minutes later I asked her to check the speedo again, she was going 95. Yelped and slowed back down. A few minutes later, she's going 102 mph! She hates cruise control, but this finally convinced her to turn it on and keep us out of jail. That V10 could pull that big van so easy, I wished Ford would pony up and build a great car around it, but they never did, at least not for production.
No, the terminator mustang was cheaper for ford to make and made power better then the triton v10. There are a few triton swapped mustangs out there tho
I'm actually debating slimming down a v10 to bare necessities, beefing up the suspension on my '05 GT and throwing the v10 in to see what monster comes out the other side
The Corvette z06 model only used 385 hp for a single year the first one. Considering this run of c5 z06s was only for 4 years it's a little disingenuous to compare it to what is the more rare package z06. The 405 hp ls6 was way mor3 common.
Ford Australia put Double Over Head Cams on the 5.4 and a T56 six speed manual in our Ford Falcons from 2000 untill they changed to the Supercharged 5.0 Coyote in 2015 , the 5.4 four valve engine was called a Boss 260 or 302 or 317 or 325 depending on KW power , IE a Boss 345 had 345 kw of power !
Ive been building open source ECU's since around 2008 when i first got my hands on an arduino. With 1999-04 V6 mustangs available on the cheap i figured out it was pretty easy to yank the 3.8 in favor of V8 goodness. Not the 4.6 though that refit requires a stupid amount of work, no no the venerable windsor 302 5.0 was our weapon of choice. And yeah living in NE Pennsylvania where we dont have emissions testing (Schuylkill co. For the win) helps with this but as these cars age maintaining a passing grade via the sniffer isnt hard either especially with the electronics available today. Initially i had the car setup with the ecu controlling only fuel with an alpha n strategy. think holley projection 2d, uses a fuel map, engine speed, tps, and coolant temp as its inputs and a narrow band o2 sensor for closed loop running on the highway. I wired the car through relay banks so the windows, radio and other accessories still worked, then as CAN sniffer modules became available they cluld be integrated to talk to the BCM and get it to play nice. The last iteration used an EDIS8 36-1 trigger wheel with a set of Ls finned truck coils mounted to the valve covers and an explorer cam sync / oil pump driver. Megasquirt used to be the end all of inexpensive stand alone ecu's but theyve since gotten too big for their own good. So if you want to try a cheap open source ecu thats hust as functional as anything made by holley , fast, edelbrock etc.. Then check out Speeduino, you can get a fully.assembled board from guys like detonation ems for $90 That handles fuel, and timing up to 16 cylinders in case thats your thing, you tune it with Tuner Studios free version or if you want things like a "self tune" feature thatll tune everything but wide open throttle than there is a paid version you can get. Ok anyway rant over
My parents had a excursion with a triton v10, well my mom blew the engine so we had a extra, ended up selling it to a guy at the dealership that rebuilt it and put it in his mustang lol. Thing was a monster!
That V-10 prototype was running out at Milan Dragway in 04 and was running as fast as the Ford GT. The engineers told us it would never see production.
Shame. The economy was good back then, they would have sold them if they made them.
Hell even sold as just a crate engine these would sell successfully. Did they tell you any reason why it wouldn’t see production?
@@miguelsantiago6044 they were saying that the mustang was half the price of a GT but could actually outrun it and Ford would not put the GT buyers in that position, back then they didn’t tell us it was a 5.8 liter we never got to see the motor. It spun the tires in almost every gear.
They were actually there to try and break anything on the GT they could but never did. Both cars were running 11’s
@@robertwhitey6621 heartbreaking honestly, they wanted to please the guys who’ll just stick the car in a garage for its whole life rather than the guys who’ll actually drive em😿
@@robertwhitey6621 Weird they went that route, instead of just offering the V10 on the GT as well.
These V10 Mustangs were built in the garage attached to the Dearborn Proving Grounds. I was there doing material testing for Ford. There were 3 V10's just coming apart. 1 Red and 2 silver. The drive-trans were put in 3 Crown Vics. I spoke to one of the test drivers and he said it was such an animal they could never release it, but with the added weight of the Panther it might make a great pursuit vehicle, which it did but Michigan cops said no to the gas mileage. Just before there was the SHOStar, the SHO powered Windstar (2 were made and drove from Detroit to the Oakville assembly Plant in Ontario for feedback) that almost came out as a FreeStar. But again they could not justify the cost.
So Ford ended up destroying these? If so, that’s such a shame.
I wasn’t familiar with the SHOstar. That sounds very, very interesting, especially if it had a 5-speed manual. I’ll have to research that one, I love hopped-up minivans.
To my knowledge, there was only one built, and that came from one of the guys that spearheaded the project back in the day, if you work/worked at Ford at the time let me know, I don't want to just throw his name out there, he worked closely, and actually hid the car from vehicle control because they got word of this project while a "change of internal power" was existing at the time, budget costs, etc and they were searching for this car because they heard that it was funded by literally a Ford corporate card and some "cowboy" engineers at the time...ask me how I know this, and I will go onto say a said engineer did alot of work in his own garage with the help of other engineers to bring this iconic concept car to flourishon
That is incorrect, there was one v10 mustang built and that was it
Been a Mustang guy since 1987 when I purchased a new GT. Had some 2000 year stangs but never heard of this v10. Currently have a 17 GT and love it. Thank You
I remember reading an article about this when this was built back then. It ate transmissions and clutches on the regular.
Also ate 3 9'' rear ends if I remember that article correctly. And lets face it insurance companies wouldn't have touched it.
@@davd2314 I don’t think 400 foot pounds of torque’s gonna eat 9 inch rear ends.
@mauricecooper176 lol right.
@mauricecooper176 build quality. Not every 9 inch rear is built to Strange standards.
@davd2314 Of course it did. Isn't it glorious?
That V10 sounded so damn good too. If only
True but such a different sound than the iconic terminators we got to see
@@oceanwaves83 The Terminator Cobras with the supercharger are kinda unbeatable the way they sound
@@oceanwaves83 I have an 03 10th anniversary in the garage. I would take that N/A 10 sound any day
@@ericwieboldt7042 Why not put a supercharger on the V10 too?
@@pgtmr2713 I didnt say you couldnt. I was just expressing my opinion on the sound of the V10 test mule
From my copy of the febuary 2004 issue of muscle mustangs and fast fords: "the V-10 was fitted w/ a billet 4130 common pin crankshaft (5 journals, 2 rods per journal) rather than the 1 rod per journal found in the truck production V-10. this prototype V-10
Fires at 90 and 54 degrees. The connecting rods are out if a '03 cobra. The pistons are from a 2000 cobra R ford parts bin.
Redline is 6,900rpm.
The fat part of the power band was from 3,000rpm to 6,900.
The intake was fabricated from two 2000 cobra R Units.
Two 70mm throttle bodys and two 80mm
Mass air meters.
It has 30 pound fuel injectors.
The transmission was a 2000 cobra R six speed stick shift. the shifter is a aftermarket pro 5.0
The rear axle is a 9 inch the article wrongly states it has 3.73 gear. Ford never made a ratio in that size for the 9 inch. That's a 8.8/7.5 rear axle size.They made a 3.89 for the street and for racing made 3.75/3.80/3.89 ratios. So its probably a 3.89.
The suspention was coil over front struts maximum motorsports lower control arms and a tubular K Member.with stock type shocks and griggs racing caster camber plates.
As some other commenter said MM&FF
Magazine this test mule was driven to and tested at milan Dragway.
The best 1/4 mile time on BFG G-Force street tires was
12.83 at 116.25. Then they went crazy and
Dumped the clutch at
7,000rpm with mickey Thomson drag slicks
And got a 11.51 at 118.19mph! You can like some others have (theres you tube videos of it) and build your own V-10 mustang....if you can get one of the truck
engines out if the junkyard, rebuild it and the 4.6 stickshift transmission bolts up to
It....if you have the money and time.
I remember that issue. The good old days of relaxing with a pile of car magazines.
@biy_buildityourself is putting a DOHC V10 in a 2017 Continental. They built the 40 valve heads,it’s a manual and RWD.
Yes! I was also gonna plug them. Awesome build, definitely worth the watch.
@@senatorchinchilla5389 I’m glad they are getting the recognition they deserve. I joined them when they had 800 subs and knew they deserved more. Very talented pair of guys.
🙋🏽♂️🙌🏽
@@biy_buildityourself we got you!!
Their channel and their project has been the single best thing on TH-cam since they started dropping vids. What those guys do is what every car enthusiast should be doing - thinking outside the box and trying some gnarly and original shiz… not just buying Civics or Mustangs and Camaros…
I love it Ford needs to revisit that concept
Can you imagine a coyote platform v10 💪
imagine gt90 now ifkyk
@TheRealCatof cause they like money, and not stupid environmentalists like yourself.
@TheRealCatof _Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?_
Not willingly. Why? To differentiate themselves clearly from the tota|itarian EPA forced cookie cutter versions of jap junk clones. If we could just get the government, the beaurecrats at the EPA, out of the way. That would also allow for cheaper fuel, which is being controlled by uneIected, totaIitarian beaurecrats at the EPA also.
@TheRealCatof _Automakers are currently killing off V8s, why would they make a V10?_
Not willingly. Why? To differentiate themselves clearly from the tota|itarian EPA coerced cookie cutter versions of jap junk clones.
The best part about this story is that the prototype still exists and was not sent to the crusher.
Bonus: a 427ci v10 (based off this engine) is what powered the Shelby Cobra concept (project Daisy)
Where is it now?
@@prds25386 IDK, I remember Hot Rod Magazine running a multi-page article about it being "found" several years ago. (Included a photo shoot)
I was told by somebody that worked on this car at Dearborn that it was destroyed. I’ve ridden in this car before & I trust this person’s word so unless you have pics, I doubt it very much.
@@koobs4549 maybe he meant the one that was destroyed was the 1st body after the engine was put into the silver mustang?
@@prds25386 I am only referring to the engine, there was no prototype body. The engine was a secret, that the Ford higher ups were not even aware of. As far as I’m aware, that engine was only ever in the gray Boss 351 body. I don’t know why they would destroy a Boss 351 test sled, when there’s nothing in the body that they wanted to keep away from the prying eyes of the competition, it was the engine that was unique, not the car body.
I watch this whole video and I don't even get to hear the v10😢
Look up Mustang Terminator V10 you'll be able to hear it not the same person I don't believe
Right , that's what I wanted to hear to lol
Thx for sharing because that’s why I tuned in to hear it!!!
Amen to that
For those who wanted to hear the V10 (That is, everyone who tuned into,this video)
th-cam.com/video/Ub6DlVHWxPM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kf6tYPfS4mzhl6fr
Not only would I buy one but now I want to build one
The 4 valve 4.6 is an amazing sounding engine. The extra exhaust valve makes that motor sound so nice!!
I love it too much power is always just enough
oooh 400hp, scary!
What a blast from the past remember reading about it in one of the major auto mags from the day. If Ford dusted of the Triton V10 castings, updated the heads, cams, and ECU programming and revisited that two seater Shelby GR concept as a reborn Thunderbird, I'd be all in!
the DOHC 4.6 also went in the Lincoln MK VIII LSC
I believe Lincoln had it first right?
Yes In 1993 it went into the first generation mark 8
@@Diesel257Yes you are right.
The intech 4.6 doesn’t have the same heads and has a lot more electronic issues.
@@NewEdgeDesigns there’s only 1 generation of the mark viii and it aligns with the 9th generation of continentals
This channel has been making some awesome videos lately!
Holy shit a V10 mustang I'm in
Crazy but I'd get one if I could. 😊
You 20yrs tolate
My stepdad had a purple 01 he dumped a viper motor in
Just slap a triton V10 in there. It won't rev high but it's a cheap V10 that will bolt up to a Ford cross member
I haven't heard of this particular Mustang that you are talking about in this story, but I do know in this same time period Ford had a concept Cobra that they were taking to shows which had a DOHC 6.4 liter V-10 that they had a Mustang running around with the test mule motor for that particular concept car. The car had a huge buzz and even appeared in a movie, but Ford chose not to bring it to production. Instead they shocked everyone a came out with the Ford GT instead. No one new that was coming. Possible the concept Cobra was a decoy.
"Built it yourself" channel is building a Triton 4v DOHC .
Is a travesty how small they still are, amazing build
That is a very cool build, not nearly as good as this V10.
“Built it yourself” are still using the 6.8 Triton split-pin crank (weak at the rod journal) and 6.8 iron block.
They also used 03/04 Cobra style cylinder heads.
This V10 was an odd-fire V10 without split pin rod journals and used the Ford GT heads (05-06 GT/07-14 GT500) as the basis for the 10 cylinder heads.
GT heads are a much stronger casting with far superior intake port geometry (and flow) than the 03 Cobra heads.
"Mustang V10, now able to take out 25% bigger crowds."
It would only hit the wall sooner instead of later with the 4.6L they came with originally.
Knew a guy who put a v10 in a 97 mustang GT back in 99 up in yellowknife. That dude was a mustang genius
You wouldn't be talking about "Dan Webb"?
You know Greg?
Mark was the guys name, he was in with the King family (Kingland Ford) and that guy was an absolute genius with Ford products. Him and Spencer King put that Triton V10 on that Orange with Blue Stripes mustang, seen it when he pulled into YK motors for gas and he popped the hood... I was floored, said it only took him like 2hrs to get to YK from Hay River minus the Merv Hardy ride across the Mackenzie
This was back in 98 or 99 I'd say
Had a crazt thought about doing this some years back in a 1965. Lots of work and money.
I knew there was some Darrel out there somewhere. I imagined it went something like this " Jimmy, go on down to the store and pick us up a case of the good stuff. It's gonna be a long night"
I remember reading about this car in a few magazines. I recall that the cylinder angle was changed from 90 degrees to a more tolerable one for a v-10 application. That's why they didn't need a split journal crank. It was also a huge factor on why it wasn't produced. It couldn't machine on existing fixtures. Does anyone else remember this?
To say that Ford "lost their mind" by putting a V10 in a Mustang eliminates you from adult conversation. They "lost their mind" when they didn't follow through with it!
Wait......they had a "mind" to lose to begin with???? lmao
@@TheWolfMatt lol!
I remember a magazine article covering the build. The cover caught my eye cause it said “Boss 351” and initially figured they were going to pass a 351W as a new Boss. That Ford would have offered a retooled and updated 351C was too much to ask though it might have been easier to fit between the Fox strut towers(?). My last toy was a 5.0 HO and though I’ve owned a couple of vehicles since then with the 4.6 and 5.4 Mod, tech has passed me by and my mediocre mechanical skills that were sufficient enough for a 13 second Fox body Stang were completely kicked to the side of the road thanks to computers and coil packs and metric measurements. But it’s good to remind some of us and educate a new generation or two that the folks at SVO were not necessarily sitting around idle.
After building a couple of Mopar B engines I tried my hand on a trashed DOHC V-8; I totally relate to your feelings!
I bought one of the Mystichrome Cobra convertibles in 2004. Loved that car. The only mods I did was a smaller pulley on the supercharger and a K&N air intake. Ended up trading it in on a 2006 GTO when they came out… the GTO was fun to drive but not much to look at tho
Why would you ever trade in a limited run cobra of only 1,010 made for a friggin Pontiac. I think your full of it.
@@advanceddarkness3 I’m full of it? I have plenty of photos of both cars. The ford was a POS. The back bumper had some crazy warping blemish to it, it handled like crap, the interior was cheap plastic garbage (except for the seats). The GTO was quicker, handled better and more fun to drive…. Have you not owned any nice cars or something? Is that why you think I’m full of it? What an ignorant comment
This was a wicked machine, the BIY guys are building their own
I would absolutely love to own one.
good job on your video. Well presented. Thank you
Thanks for the video
5:55 "since it already used a variety of Cobra parts already"
Couldn't have said it better myself
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I was part of the retro-stang design works in a peripheral sense. I was an independant designer. The V10 was supposed to be a variable-supercharged 427 with all the modern goodies. Old hat now. I guess Colletti had to find out if i was right, eh?
Nobody asked for story time or for your hopes and dreams. People like you are why aliens won't talk to us.
I got to see one of these on display at Mustang Alley a few years ago at the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit, MI. Ford had a little plaque set up talking about it, but this shed some more light on the build. It was silver just like the one on the video. It may have been the same one, idk how many were built. Good video!
I’m thinking fuel economy and emissions were the deciding factors ultimately
and price. reliability. liability. running costs. market share.
life isnt black and white.
@@godsinbox market share is one that would be there along with emissions and fuel economy. By this time Camaro / Trans Am were dead, so they didn’t really need anything more than the cobra and Mach 1.
However reliability, liability, running costs, and even price, I doubt it. Engine was based on 4.6 modular components, it could’ve followed suit like the 6.8-5.4 if massed produced. Imagine a 4.6 based v10 that could power the F150 fleet like the 6.8 was to the super duty. That idea alone points more to the fuel and emissions being the issue more so, as the v8s did the job.
Liability, Ford had the Terminator and the Cobra R which had already been produced so not likely that either, and the Ford GT concept was in the works.
Some engineer has that V10 in his basement just waiting for the perfect donor car.
Never heard of this. Thank you
I've been in many arguments about this car. No one believed me it was a 351 v10 "because Fords v10 was a 6.8". Finally, a video about it! It was in motortrend September 03 issue.
I thought there was only 1 made as a test mule for the engine. Not much of a Ford fan but I wish they made that motor in production.
Good old project Petunia
Petunia wasn't this car, Petunia was the code name for the 2005 Ford GT.
@06VistaBlueGT1 the engine was intended for the gt and wasn't ready in time. The mustang was just a test bed. The boss 351 was intended to be launched 1 year after the gt
I get that but the actual name Petunia was the inside code for the GT to not alert the car media what Ford was actually working on.
Atleast Ford engineers are able to have fun building things, we probably wouldn't have the newer Ford GT's without that.
They already had the V10 from the Excursion/F250 so lets have some fun!! Its what hot rodders do, it actually fits really well in that Mustang 🐎
The truck engine is cast iron. Way too heavy for anything other than a dedicated drag racer. That much weight on the front axle would have serious understeer problems.
bro why did the title of the video make me laugh so hard its just so outrageous lmao 😂😂😂
Give the NEW GTD THE V10 2024
Imagine a V10 coyote
No, stop it mustang boi's... don't be dum
Where did the V10 Judd motor come from?
Judd is based in the UK and has ties with Yamaha.
It wasn't a Judd engine. It was made by ford. Ford made there own V-10 and put in alot of there heavy duty trucks and in the excursion and econoline vans. SVT took one of these engines and hot rodded it for a mustang. Google ford V-10. you'll see.
@@coletrickle-km7cl that's completely wrong, did you not watch the video? The V10 in the mustang has nothing to do with the Triton, they cut up some of the all aluminium quad cam engines from the Cobra R to build a bespoke V10
Around 2004 - 2006 I saw a V 10 Mustang in Vegas driving on the street . It was a dark red color with a V 10 emblem on the rear deck by the right rear taillight. It was definitely a V 10 by the exhaust sound !……
I loved this car when I saw videos of it in the early 2000s. Such a cool and unique car.
I got to ride in this exact car as a teen, I have a couple of pics of the outside & I’ve seen the engine, I was NOT allowed to take pics of the engine. It laid rubber for an entire block, it was INSANE!!!
I got to work on some of the cylinder head tooling for the stretched V10 versions around this time. Great experience just after graduating HS.
I was parked next to this car at motorcity foxfest meet and greet last year and had no clue about it until he popped the hood. Cool getting to hear the history of it.
Great show and very interesting 😮thank you very much from Sydney Australia 😊
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I remember seeing this Mustang in old tv car shows. It was not a prototype for a new performance mustang. It was a test mule for the Shelby GR1 that unfortunately never happened. That has got to be the meanest sounding V10 ever!
When I heard about it at the time (in high school) I was praying they'd move forward with production, I wanted one so bad I used to dream about it...
I never heard nobody call S.O.H.C sock.🤣
I was wondering what sock was 💀🤣
I read about this car back in the day and was absolutely amazed. Is the 5.8L V10 the same one they used in the Shelby Cobra and GR1 concepts ?
Great video, thanks for sharing the knowledge, and cheers !
V-10 Bring that Back
My favorite modern mustang body style.
I'd go for it in a blink!
Saw it in person at the Mustang birthday event in Nashville 2004.
the V-10 ended up in the new Shelby Cobra concept.
in a more pretty aesthetic
I just saw a video on TH-cam where three blokes did this in their garage! Sounds epic
I remember when this was supposed to come out.
First view and comment. Awesome. Thanks for the great video. Always like to learn about obscure cars
I am sure the sound is out the. I remember this car. The sound of the v-10 is very cool.
Would have been a cool Cobra Jet option
Hell Yeah I would buy one!! V10 Mustang would Rule!!
Right in my back yard, worked at r+l right next to the dragstip there for a bit over a year, the cars would rattpe the building, youd feel it in your chest even from across the street.
The moment I heard the sound of this particular V10 is the moment I would say yes I want 2 extra cylinders. The Viper never did it for me.
I would buy that in a heartbeat!❤❤
There's a car craft mag I remember on it
I would love to have one of these
Me too...
Im a Ford guy, WTH were they thinking not making it available.... if the price was fair it would have sold like hotcakes.
Damn thing would have been a BEAST. I wana hear this thing!
Anyone remember the '94 Mustang Boss 10L concept as well? As a Ford enthusiast the what could have been concept cars Ford teased would make you drool and cry at the same time.
Also as someone who owned several Thunderbird SC back in the the day, the rumor of a 4.6 DOHC SVT Tbird in the late '90's was music to my ears and I had my checkbook ready but alas we know how that story ended.
I remember reading about these back in the day
I fucking loved my 6.8 f350. Sideways thru 3 gears in a 6x6
I could never get my v10 excursion sideways unless it was on wet red clay roads. Just a little jealous!🛠️
Great vid.
BIY has a channel where they are building their own Modular V10 in the same manner. Head over there to hear it.
The V10 Boss was supposed to hit the crusher too but luckily escaped I think MotorTrend did 2 articles about the car. And videos. That Boss 351 V10 sounds so good
Ford made an all aluminum DOHC V10 for the Sherman tank. So they're playing with this concept over and over, when the timing is right. They'll do it again, hopefully
I’ll take that V10 any day!!!
We need to hear it!!
My dad worked at some of the Ford offices just down from the SVT department until around 2006, he said somebody drove the v10 Mustang to lunch everyday.
I love that you showed footage of ItsNotan8's Mustang doing donuts. I'm slowly restoring an 02 V6 5 spd and want to get mine like his. It only takes a little love to get the V6 and New Edge to super fun levels, while still being THE Mustang (the V8 is the Mustang GT).
I hear the V6 can handle better coz less nose heavy. Blower would probably get it to GT power. Curious if there is a legit V6 community doing this. Could see these being good road racers. Cheaper to get into one, strong after market support for Fox body handling and the T-Bird SC proves the concept.
@@freeandresrivera What I discovered after I got into restoring mine was there are now only a few still actively into these at the moment.
When the 05 retro Stangs came out they completely took over and Ford kept the minds and hearts of enthusiasts with their updates and then into the S550 platform.
What you have to do is search old posts of forums (usually pre 2010 or so) to get into this Stang's glory days. Most of what you might want to know is there.
You are not wrong about anything you said, and it's all why I got one.
Recon the terminator was less costly to introduce, they really should have kept it around for a Shelby option or a interesting use case in the 05 gt it's probably the 6.8 reputation as a uhaul motor that scared them away from v10s because only another gearhead would understand the difference in engine origin so the average person who rented a uhaul would assume its like that trash
It's amazing what they've done with the mustang since then
Always wondered what you drove
Must've been where @BIY got the idea of a DOHC Ford V10
I've had mustangs going back my the first, a dark green 66 fast back 4bbl 4 spd and The only afftermarket parts was a crane cam and a 8 trek' craig power play distortin' machine, the first tape was the white cream ...ahhh' the days. I bought it instead of a red 66 conv. with the HiPo premium, 289. But today,, 50 years later, would I buy the factory 10 cyl mustang in the vid with a truck motor? Hell yes I would buy it!
Should have made this with a transaxle in the rear to help balance out the added weight to the front. It would be sitting hear in 2024 as a living legend.
LOL!!! That was the best red neck engine install ever!
Here's a little info from Wikipedia on the 2004 Shelby Cobra Concept. The Shelby Cobra concept features an all-aluminum, V10 engine, displacing 6.4 L (390 cu in) that produces 645 hp (481 kW) at 6,750 rpm and 501 ft⋅lbf (679 N⋅m) of torque at 5,500 rpm. The engine redlines at 6,800 rpm, and Ford claims it is capable of reaching 207 mph (333 km/h), though the car is reportedly electronically limited to only 100 mph (161 km/h).
I guess Ford wanted to find out if their new Mustang could actually fly!
Thanks we saw the vid captain obvious.
Who doesn't love a SN95 sitting on some SALINE wheels.... Steve SALEEN thats who 😆
There is two younger guys on TH-cam building a dual overhead cam V10 Ford engine for a newer Lincoln Continental I wish I could think of the name of the channel
@biy_buildityourself is their channel.
I never knew of this. I did know ford had a v10. My father bought a v10 ecconoline van and mentioned it should go into a mustang. I thought it too heavy and he remarked that it was a 351 just with smaller cylinders. But mentioned two more cylinders popping makes for more acceleration.
This sure was a missed opportunity for Ford. That engine refined a bit more would have taken the fight to GM.
Completely different engine, as it is undersquare.
We borrowed Dad's V10 Econoline to drive 300 miles and pick up our son at the Atlanta airport, my wife driving. Once on the interstate I noticed the wind noise picking up and took a peek at the speedo, "My love, how fast are you wanting to go?" She says 80 mph, looks down and yelps. She was going 90, and coasted back down to 80. A few minutes later I asked her to check the speedo again, she was going 95. Yelped and slowed back down. A few minutes later, she's going 102 mph! She hates cruise control, but this finally convinced her to turn it on and keep us out of jail. That V10 could pull that big van so easy, I wished Ford would pony up and build a great car around it, but they never did, at least not for production.
No, the terminator mustang was cheaper for ford to make and made power better then the triton v10. There are a few triton swapped mustangs out there tho
I'm actually debating slimming down a v10 to bare necessities, beefing up the suspension on my '05 GT and throwing the v10 in to see what monster comes out the other side
It was a dream of mine to do this to my mustang back when I was a kid
Sock for SOC (single overhead cam) !
Bring this to the next Gen GT350
The Corvette z06 model only used 385 hp for a single year the first one. Considering this run of c5 z06s was only for 4 years it's a little disingenuous to compare it to what is the more rare package z06. The 405 hp ls6 was way mor3 common.
Ford Australia put Double Over Head Cams on the 5.4 and a T56 six speed manual in our Ford Falcons from 2000 untill they changed to the Supercharged 5.0 Coyote in
2015 , the 5.4 four valve engine was called a Boss 260 or 302 or 317 or 325 depending on KW power , IE a Boss 345 had 345 kw of power !
Boss 351 V10? Sure! 6 speed manual .383 rear and pozi. Bullitt green
It was a 3.73 rear gear. He said it wrong.
Ive been building open source ECU's since around 2008 when i first got my hands on an arduino.
With 1999-04 V6 mustangs available on the cheap i figured out it was pretty easy to yank the 3.8 in favor of V8 goodness. Not the 4.6 though that refit requires a stupid amount of work, no no the venerable windsor 302 5.0 was our weapon of choice. And yeah living in NE Pennsylvania where we dont have emissions testing (Schuylkill co. For the win) helps with this but as these cars age maintaining a passing grade via the sniffer isnt hard either especially with the electronics available today. Initially i had the car setup with the ecu controlling only fuel with an alpha n strategy. think holley projection 2d, uses a fuel map, engine speed, tps, and coolant temp as its inputs and a narrow band o2 sensor for closed loop running on the highway. I wired the car through relay banks so the windows, radio and other accessories still worked, then as CAN sniffer modules became available they cluld be integrated to talk to the BCM and get it to play nice. The last iteration used an EDIS8 36-1 trigger wheel with a set of Ls finned truck coils mounted to the valve covers and an explorer cam sync / oil pump driver.
Megasquirt used to be the end all of inexpensive stand alone ecu's but theyve since gotten too big for their own good. So if you want to try a cheap open source ecu thats hust as functional as anything made by holley , fast, edelbrock etc.. Then check out Speeduino, you can get a fully.assembled board from guys like detonation ems for $90 That handles fuel, and timing up to 16 cylinders in case thats your thing, you tune it with Tuner Studios free version or if you want things like a "self tune" feature thatll tune everything but wide open throttle than there is a paid version you can get. Ok anyway rant over
My parents had a excursion with a triton v10, well my mom blew the engine so we had a extra, ended up selling it to a guy at the dealership that rebuilt it and put it in his mustang lol. Thing was a monster!
Imagine that now with twin turbo or a super charger.