Rational Believer NON MUSLIM REACTION | The Army of Satan | PART 7 | Islam | The Dajjal Is Coming
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- In this reaction we continue are down the Rational Believers popular series The Army of Satan as we arrive at part 7. Join us, as we struggle to make sense of the daggal, and Islam's understanding of this ancient eschatological figure.
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Reverted about 9 days ago, best decision of my life alhamdulillah
Edit: I can't reply to every single one of you but thank you all for the welcoming feels, may Allah guide us all
Happy for you 👍👍
God bless you welcome to 2billion family
Masha Allah brother welcome to Islam
Masha Allah. Congratulations brother or sister. My Allah makes it easy for you and my you find peace. All praise is due to Allah The Almighty ❤
@@stayspiritualSlander ( Fitnah )
26:20 The video didnt say Benjamin Netanyahu is the Dajjal. It shows clip that of Jewish Rabbi asking Benjamin to hasten the coming of Messiah (Antichrist in Christians/Islam) which hasnt come yet. Maybe the reason yall confused because youre unaware The Jewish actually is actually waiting and preparing for coming of a Messiah and thats what the muslim believe is the Dajjal, hence the reference to Jews preparation of its coming. Its not just Islam and Christians which has Antichrist in its theology, the difference is the jewish is waiting for Dajjal to be their messiah/King.
I was surprised at what he said…
like are they even focusing on the video as to what it’s says? Or are they just lost in their own imagination, that they can’t even read or hear what the video said?
No disrespect. ❤
Minds are closed
Dajjal has been released but not in human form yet. He is the fitnah of dunya (worldly life).
It is interesting that the Quran doesn't mention the word Dajjal. The only information we know is that we are strongly encouraged to recite Surah Al Kahf in order to be protected from his fitnah. In Surah Al Kahf, Allah SWT warned us about the fitnah of dunya (worldly life). So we can understand that the fitnah of dajjal is directly linked with the fitnah of dunya. There are plenty of evidences and signs of it, for example, the World Wars. A corrupted political system that is based on greed and lust for dunya...etc
@@muhammadsyafiq8146 I think memorizing the first 10 verses is one of the things that protect you from dajjal but reading Surah Al Kahf every Friday is for ya'joj and ma'joj, Allah knows best
@@muhammadsyafiq8146 no that's not true, Dajjal is a literal person
The word fitnah or fitna means "strife," "trial," "temptation" or "persecution" in Arabic. May God guide you & bless you both. love your Islamic reactions. Salam (peace) from Austria, Vienna ❤
خطأ فتنة تعني التمحيص والاختبار
It also means lies
@@Rosie_.Amethyst Deceptions
Blasphemy
Peace be upon you: ( Fitna ) means: temptation and it also means: test and scrutiny and affliction
Bit funny reaction. Just a few points though:
-The video was not suggesting Netanyahu was the Dajjal no.
-The Jewish people are really awaiting their prophet Meshiah as they do not believe Jesus was him.
-The Christians, more particular the colonialists, did push the idea of hastening the return of their Messiah by moving all European Jews into Jerusalem (they believe he would not return unless the Jews are moved there and established the state).
-Muslims believe both's Messiahs are false idols and that they will be easy prey to the Dajjals fitnah.
-The Dajjal is not satan, he's a false prophet who will deceive people into worshiping him, until the real Messiah appears.
-Only the rightly guided are shielded from this Messiah.
-While it may seem like video is just another fearmongering apocalypse propaganda; the gentleman to the right with his kumbaya rant 20:23 should really look into what's going on in the Aqsa (Jerusalem) with the normalization attempts and the storming of Aqsa mosque daily. But most important the red cows that the Jews were about to sacrifice moments before the 7th of October..
It is really sad to see many who think coincidences do exist. There's absolutely nothing about any of the events taking place in the region that's a coincidence or random. Every single event that has taken place have had political and religious impact. There's a reason why Holocaust had to happen. There's a reason why a certain people promotes idea of fictive genocides to push a well known agenda. There's a reason why a terror organization emerges whenever there's an uprising in the region.
They plan, but Allah is the best of planners. I hope they will reflect upon this video. Well I think this video is for Muslim anyways so it's understandable if they don't relate.
Perfectly explained 👏
Funny enough thousands each year leave Christianity for islam
This video just scratched the surface about dajjal, I don’t expect you lot understand everything in the video. And no it doesn’t refer Benjamin’s nethenyahu as dajjal. The rabbi asked him to fasten the process of their messiah so he arrives ASAP. 😂
The word fitnah or fitna means "strife," "trial," or "persecution" in Arabic
Ahhhh thank you
DECEPTION
@@stayspiritual Fitnah in the Quran means: testing and trial, blocking the way and turning people away from the right path. Falling into sin and hypocrisy; confusing truth with falsehood; misguidance. Promoting and normalizing corruption.
You could've just googled it instead of being lazy and ignorant... You guys are open minded about the antichrist/dajjal being one eyed but fail to understand the connection between the gen0cidal israhell and the dajjal, their anointed saviour/king is all of the world's biggest enemy, Netanyahu is a chosen catalyst in his arrival @@stayspiritual
Both of my parents came from christianity to islam. It's not necessarily the similarities or differences that make people leave christianity and come to islam. I make the claim that it is the truth or the lack of dishonesty that brings people to islam, or at least to not hate islam and see in it many benefits for humanity. I was born in islam, but like most people, around 20, I decided to compare different religions and see if what I was born upon was true. I could not find another way of life that was worth it. If not islam, then I'd make the claim that being non religious is the only way I'd live, which is something I will never do (God willing).
Mashallah continue to spread the truth brother 🙌
You misunderstood, Rabbi asking Netanyahu to bring Anti Christ and Anti Christ will not appear until 3rd temple will be built.
He didn't focus bcs they don't believe all in the video but still want to react, lol. Dajjal come one day is true, Christian called antichrist but he's dajjal and we already know who follow him
@@boxzz90 no brother, he just misunderstood some parts. And now you've misunderstood Dajjal means Anti Christ, in Islam we have same belief about false messiah as Christian has but we Islam has more authentic signs to recognise Dajjal (Anti Christ) while Christian don't have much and even can't trust authenticity, this is the difference.
They aren't misunderstood,this lecture is too deep for them as disbeliever,even for some muslim sometime they need time to understand..
Blame. Roman😂😂😂😂
Wait, how many temples were there?😳
You got it wrong... Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t meet the basic description of Dajjal...Netanyahu isn’t one eyed person! Is he? And certainly, he doesn’t have long curly hair Lol... the last portion of the video suggested that Benjamin Netanyahu's groups are working on it (for coming of their Messiah AKA Dajjal)
He's fighting the poor palestinians to hasten the coming of dajjal. In a sense he is among the Army of dajjal. So he's the part of the army of satan.
It's not our version it's the real version , the islam is the only and the real religion . (Peace)
That’s why the symbolism of the one seeing eye 👁️ is all over us ..
I'm sorry to say but their intro. Is one eye i just notice
Illuminati 👁️
Nope...natenyahu isnt dajjal...but the Rabbi was telling him to fasten the coming of Dajjal....maybe through fullfilling agenda's and doing the groundwork of his grand arrival!
The only religion that explains this One eye showing everywhere from the media/music/dollar bills. Always found it weird why artists use to keep branding one eye. Never could see the correlation or also the government with pyramids and one eye. What has the pyramid got to do with the USA? All made sense after reading the description of the Anti Christ. 👁❌
because Islam is from God and he had told us everything that is coming, that's why they hate us because we know thier every next step even though God had not given us power to stop them but Quran says ( they are plotting and God is planning too, indeed God is the best of planners)
Maybe that's also y corruption and sina and all sort of sins always start in the US and r heavier there than anywhere else
They scare me so much...
The USA is also the one to cause corruption literally in most if not all parts of the world!!! Especially Muslim countries like Palestine, Syria, Iraq etc.
Isn't it weird?? Yes now we know at least that the USA should NEVER be liked or trusted
No matter what president will run this corrupted place, it will still not change the fact that a corrupted "president" will run it
It's also believed that the antichrist/dajjal will be technologically advanced to all things, as technology is the best thing for him to create his 'miracles'/deceptions, so it can be highly likely that one of his eyes will be a prosthetic that will give him superhuman advancements, but no one may be able to tell so. With stuff like neuralink made and showing it actually works it's highly likely he will be a human who is part machine and A.i
The first verse revealed to our master Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is “Read.”
Very true!!!!!
In Islam, apocalypse basically destroyed the whole universe, instead of just one part of earth destroyed
"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."
QURAN 5:82
We see the similarities between Christianity and Islam but Christianity has updated and changed the ways and teachings of Jesus
Christianity has corrupted its teachings to its very core.. You can thank the freemasons for that.. Mind you, even King James is part of the Masons..
Dont believe that christianity has been corrupted down to its theology? Listen to what Jesus supposedly says..
Mathew Chapter 5
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The whole of Christianity has now abandoned the law and ascribe beliefs that Jesus never taught..
i commented but it does not reflect.... TH-cam is being sus
Yeah changed by humans. Not by God.
Funny how humans can change and update god’s words as they like. So who are you following? God or humans?
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So the reason the jewish flag was chosen is because according to an authentic Hadith ( account of the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) the first followers of the dajjal will be jews, and if you think about it and do a dive into the jewish religion, you'll understand why, since they're still waiting for the messiah because they dont believe in the prophethood of Jesus(Isa) عليه السلام
6:53
"I don't know where you get the idea that the Antichrist will bring world peace. If the notion is that he will deceive the entire world by appearing benevolent, fulfilling their wishes, and ending starvation and hunger, the lesson here is not that we should willingly surrender freedom and world peace to an individual who claims to be God. Essentially, it's like saying, 'I don't care if he's the devil or not, as long as he satisfies my basic desires and spares me from toiling in strife. I am willing to align myself with the Devil.'
This raises a fundamental question: do you perceive these stories as allegorical, or do you interpret them literally? This interpretation could significantly influence your perspective. While the stories are presented as literal, your pragmatic approach suggests you view them allegorically because you don't believe in the narrative. It seems you are open to welcoming the so-called Antichrist if he brings peace, viewing it as a means to an end from your pragmatic standpoint. Am I off here? 😂
Exactly 👏 These guys have such an idiot take at times... 😂
Many Christians became Muslim I can tell you it’s because they believe in God but the version of Christianity don’t feet with them, they know the bible has been corrupted the core message has been lost, so they turn to Islam because of the similarities of the two religions and in Islam, the message has been preserved. They became Muslim because they are close to us
Alfitna has several meanings in the Arabic language, depending on its position in speech. Here it means moving away from the truth and following falsehood because of events that occurred in your life that led to your deviation from the truth. It also means testing.
May Allah guide you both in his true path Insha Allah 🎉
I'm sorry to say, i just notice your intro of stay spiritual logo is one eye
Watch an actual debate on Islam and Christianity that’ll give you more depth
May Allah Protect us from the trial of Dajjal Ameen
16:42 yes you're right, notice how the description of dajjal sounds so obvious but there's a catch, only the true believers and with strong imaan will be able to tell the difference that if dajjal is lying or not. That's why it is the most difficult trial to ever exist on this earth, Dajjal himself is called "the master of deceiver".
If you continue watching the rational believer series you will be shocked😂😂.
Netanyahu is not dajjaal but they are doing the things which will open the gate for dajjal to comes out. They are preparing the ground for dajjal advent
the prophet ﷺ speaks in a way that makes his companions remember what he says.
sometimes he repeats words thrice emphasising their importance etc. Sometimes he moves his hands and fingers in a certain way to make it easy to remember.
no..Netanyahu is not him.. they must first achieve control of canaanite region.. Netanyahu has put a map of "Greater Israel" at UN assembly.. such bold statement because they know they can do it.. we might never see dajjal in our lifetime and oppression will still continue..
FITNAH means deception/cheating, He is the Dajjal
It says in the Quran when the flute is blown by israfeel AS the mountains will be shaken to dust so when a mountain is shaken to dust even if your are in a nuclear bomb shelter you won’t survive
The video dose not mean PM of Isrial is Dajjal, It's saying he is making the plot to welcome Dajjal.
Tipuan dajjal itu sangat menakutkan,.
Sekedar contoh
Saat kita berada dalam kondisi tidak makan tidak minum selama 3 hari, saat itu datang seseorang menawarkan pilihan air dan api, apabila memilih air kamu akan mengikuti dan menuruti kemauan dajjal,.
Semoga kita semua dikuatkan iman dan islam.
about the matter of the apocalypse. the apocalypse spoken of in islam at the end of this world can't be compared to apocalypses you know.
in islam god tells us you don't want to live long enough to witness the end of the world. at that time god will take everyone that has even the weakest believe in his heart just so they don't be present when it happens. I recommend a series called Armageddon that explains the islamic version of the end of the world to get a perspective on this matter
No one trying to say Nathanyahu is a Anti Cris.
Yes, since I saw your first video, I saw your channel logo and it had an eye, which made me suspect that you may be supporting Dajjal.
Just to let you know, editing was done by amateurs. The original video has no slides or flashing images in between. That is an exaggeration
لا اله الا الله their is no god except Allah 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 Free Palestine 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Yaay!! Army of satan series reaction
Wanted to know why do you make your logo, like tbis one eye, I wanted to know what do you think of it, what is it.
For me (James) it's symbolizes becoming more conscious. Gaining insight where there was non before Also, I think it's fun and colorful.
For me..out of our conscious people getting used to one eyed symbol...when Dajjal comes[with one eye], easier for people to accept Dajjal..because this was what Satan and their army prepared from a long time ago.
On of the best series on TH-cam I've ever found. The Dajjal series.
Fitna: It is discord , but not only, it a kind of discord that uses lost, kindness, lies and beauty to build up discord between peoples
Start the Prophet of Allah series
No opposition, just one view, can also be interpreted.
I can answer most of your questions about Islam and Dajjal if you would like to.
Also, the reason they're so similar is because islam, christianity, and Jureslim all came from Allah. They're the 3 pathes to Heaven, but because the old and actual Christianity and Jewish religion are gone and Islam is the last one. Islam is the only right path left. Also finally the reason why so many Christians come to islam is because islam doesn't skimp out on logic at all, unlike christians. There is a logical reason for every single thing is islam, and it is encouraged to be logical and interested in studying.
Hey guys its not about this person or that person its not about jew or Christian or Muslims there were some prophesies that are happening now
I love your Islamic videos reaction, best reaction, keep it up guys ❤❤
All the prophets warned of the Antichrist. That's the reason for the similarities
We can also describe fitnah as an evil thing!!!!!!!
This is what Muhammad S.A.W is preparing us for Ad - Dajjal. And Essa a.s. Will come back to defeat Ad - Dajjal. If you don’t believe that you will folllow blindly. Jews never believed in Jesus Christ Christians.
We told you, where he will come from, we told you, what he looks like
We told you, when it will take place.
But we wont tell you, in matters of the unseen, only Allah knows, what we do not know. But understand this. Allah is the best of planners.
26:46 he’s working for the arrival of Dajjal
And the prophecy's and signs keep coming to pass and i have 100% faith these things will happen
hi guys , thanks for sharing , just two comments, first in quran its mentioned that hell has two parts of punishment , hell fire and also Zamhrer which means exremely cold wind as a punishment. Guys , the most important thing to God is never associate partners with him as a mom or dad or child as jesus or any kind of partners.. other than that God said i will forgive all your sins even if it reaches the highest sky , i hope God will guide your hearts to the right path ... i have so many things to share with you that will make you so happy, hope one day we could have a chat. god bless you
guys , these people are adding stuff from their own , the prophet Mohammad sallah allah eleh wasalam had explained exactly what he look like the dajjal
my dear brother, I will suggest to give reactions at end, after finishing full content first..
26:40
Bro, Netanyahu is not called Dajjal in that video. In that video, a rabbi tells Netanyahu to prepare for the Dajjal. Look again carefully.
They "They"... Want to keep apart the true Christians an Muslims from uniting with each other ras they "should" have done... Since Islam,.. Came as a natural continuation an perfection of faith in belief in 1 ONE CREATOR LORD GOD.
All media/financial power is controlled by "them".
I have a question about all Christians that before jessus or how jessus pray and whome? Means who is the master of jesus that he pray? Cross or GOD
Please react to ”I wanted to write anti islamic book but became muslim” interview. You would see why a christian would want to become a muslim.
the thing here about the Dajjal is that it's not gonna only happen to the people believing in it it'll happen to all humankind
With respect of you both,you do not live in Middle East the region of the 3 religions.....this video come from faith perspective and Non believers will always see it as strange
I'm a Muslim, and I relate to almost all the interpretations of the guy in the yellow shirt! I've always been skeptical about Dajjal, because there's absolutely nothing about him in the Quran, & we know that not all Hadiths (Muhammad's (pbuh) words) truly belong to the prophet (pbuh)! However, the Quran and Hadith are always filled with metaphors & similes, which is a very effective way to explain things to people, especially 1400 years ago in the middle of nowhere...but whether we believe that the Dajjal is real or not, one thing we can't deny is that the symbolism is really powerful, & if we take things out of their literal meanings, we can clearly see that we're even witnessing a lot of it these days...
PS: 1)The Israeli flag isn't a Jewish flag, it's an Israeli/zionist flag... nationality doesn't equal religion!
2) Do more research about the temple, the red cows, the zionist agenda and just simply read & listen to how zionist rabbis explain it, you'll understand...that way you won't need to play "the clown" or "take it as a joke" :)
Does it mean that they're right, & the Messiah is gonna come? as far as i'm concerned, hell no, but their belief is resulting in a genocide, so...we might as well not take it as a joke!
God bless
You guys are learning about dajjal with a DP depicting dajjal himself
From my understanding as a muslims is that his trial is not a trial of war and peace but one of deception, he will start of by claming that he is the messiah and after a some times passes he will eventualy claim that he is god himself and when jezus comes back he will make every thing clear
God Almighty said: (Then indeed, your Lord is for those who emigrated after they had been tried, then they struggled and were patient. Indeed, your Lord after that is Forgiving and Merciful), [6] The definition of temptation in the Noble Verse is torment.👌🏼
The dajjaal is explained by sahil adheem much clearly
Blind in eye is not specifically in eyes . It can be that he will never do good things
The channel logo looks like Dajjal eyes🤭
If you want to understand Dajjal listen to Shaik Imran Hossain lecture. The symbolism you asked about, Imran hossain answers exactly that.
We do know that you guys believe in what we believe the only difference is that we believe that there’s one god unseen has no gender no father mother children nothing he wasn’t born nor does he give birth and nobody is like him he’s the most powerful merciful and we also believe that Jesus peace be upon him is just a great prophet like everyone before him Adam / Noah / Abraham /….. until the last one Muhammad peace be upon all of them
Also for the dadjal I’m a born Muslim and what were thought is that when he will raise the dead and do others things you’ll be so shocked that you might forget who you are that you’re a Muslim that’s why it sounds obvious to you but when you see it right in front of you it’s really a different story
Muhammad Ali , Muslim Lantern. is the best to go to for any perspectives , i reverted to islam less than a year.
Muhammad Ali is very radical and uneducated in Islam. I called him to teach him Islam, but he removed me after ten seconds. He just debate non Muslims because an educated Muslim like me, will debunke him in a few minutes. If you don't believe, then just call him and challenge him to debate me. All these extremists know me. They all have blocked me and say I am very dangerous for their radical views.
@@perfectdawah4535 what is your contention with his views? They all align with the quran and sunnah
@FHD80057 they are all against the Quran and the true Sunnah. They align with fabricated Sunnah. If you are right that they align with Quran, then why he is afraid of debating me? As I said, last time, I could survive a few seconds on his channel. The moment he heard my argument, he removed me. Would you call him and ask him to debate me? Please 🙏.
it's not stirring up the pot but the truth and the reality.
8:15 Islam is the most rational religion, Islam promotes asking questions .
Dajjal is the antichrist
Keep watching
What you said about hellfire is for purification is great... We believe that moslem who got into hellfire would be purified from their sin, and if their sin had purified, they could enter paradise, when or how of course it's depent of Allah's mercy
A reaction on "purpose of life" Joffrey lang
It's not metaphorically. The Qur'an is quite literal
The devil is a lefty, prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, teaches us to be the absolute opposite.
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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is the king.
Firstly, if you want to believe in a religion, all you have to do is refute it, but Islam is the only religion that challenges people with a simple challenge, which is to recite only one surah, and God Almighty said: {And if you are in doubt regarding what We have sent down to Our servant, then come. with a surah like it, and call your witnesses instead of God if you are truthful. * But if you do not do it, and you will not do it, then fear God - a fire whose fuel is people and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.}
Watch it again and listin with open mind hahaha
even though all humans on this earth know who the Dajjal is. but the majority of people will worship and follow this dajjal. only those who have strong faith and do not love the life of the world will be saved from the Dajjal's slander. that's why Prophet Muhammad SAW continues to remind people about this Dajjal. At present, people can say "we will not be consumed by the tricks of the Dajjal, but when the Dajjal comes, they will shiver to join the Dajjal."
Iblees will be righthand im very sure
Yes, christian and islam are one of the ibrahamic religion like Jewish too hence there's similarities. Islam called them as People of the Book. But it differs at the Oneness of God, where Jewish didn't approve prophethood of Jesus and Muhammad, while Christian defy the Oneness of God.
@usernamezkrAbrahamic religion is Islam, and all three prophets are Abraham's descendants. So nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about the Real People of the Books.
I feel like your going in circles.What exactly do you guys belive anyways as hard truths. First, it's crucial to reach a conclusion: Do you believe everything is purely natural, and our lives are ultimately meaningless, a result of billions of years of chemical evolution with no inherent purpose? Or do you believe there is a purpose, perhaps a divine creator of the universe, and that there must be meaning in our existence?
If you believe in purpose and a higher power, then the notion that if God wants us to know Him, it should be easy holds weight. I hold the belief that even in the pursuit of truth, if one dies before finding it, God will take that effort into account. The effort to seek truth is commendable, and that is what I believe. Before engaging in deeper topics, it's essential to grapple with your foundational beliefs."
Fitnah means A trial
كل هذا منسوب إلى رسول الله عليه الصلاة والسلام فلا وجود المسيح الدجال بل هو مجرد كذبة تسللت إلى التقاليد الإسلامية ونسبت إلى رسول الله في عهد العباسيين
The blindness is that your Lord is not imperfect. And first the anti christ will claim kingship then prophet then lordship. In Islaam you will not see God in this world but after death on the day of Judgement.
Understand that Islam did not start with Muhammad pbuh, its started with the first creation. Understand what Islam is and get to this detail. It would be helpful for you to understand.
Fitna is like a temptation, trial and tribulation, etc.
Shaikh Imran hussein is a scholar who goes into the symbolism of Dajal, I was surprised how you picked that up so quickly. I think this same channel has a video of dajal by shaikh Imran hussein.
8:05 It's not that religious people don't want you to use your logic and reasoning. it's like suddenly your using rational faculties 2/3s into a sci-fi movie. Do you mean to tell me that you found out Superman was an alien who can fly and shoot lasers from his eyes towards the end of the movie. When participants agree on certain premises at the beginning of a discussion, they often do so to build a foundation for further argumentation. If one participant later questions the conclusion, it might imply that they either:
1. Agreed to Premises Tentatively: They might have agreed to the premises initially for the sake of argument or to explore where those premises lead without fully committing to their truth.
2. Accepted Premises Initially: They genuinely accepted the premises at first, but upon reaching the conclusion, they started to have doubts or reconsidered the implications of those premises.
In either case, it's important to clarify the nature of agreement on the premises:
1. If the agreement was tentative, it's fair to revisit and challenge them at any point.
2. If the agreement was genuine, then questioning the conclusion should ideally involve new
insights or reasons why the premises might not lead to the proposed conclusion after all.
It can be frustrating for those who feel they have to retrace steps they thought were settled. However, this process is also part of rigorous logical discourse. It's essential for all participants to be clear about their positions and open to revisiting any part of the argument if necessary. This ensures that the conclusion stands up to scrutiny and that all parties hold their positions based on genuine conviction rather than temporary agreement.
"Fitna of dajjal" means The Trial of the Deceiver.
easy explanation “fitnah” kinda similar with “lie”
There are more similarities between Muslim, Christian and Jew then common person think.