My favorite racer of all time. Used to play this online back in the day on the Dreamcast. I think you watched back a replay of another online player against your car,. Still fun back in the day, Its all about sliding and picking the right gear you need to play this with manual gearrs It has a viceral handling model.
VGE, thank you for this upload! *fighting back tears* I once spent $25 playing this game only at the SEGA Dreamworks in Las Vegas a few years back and have fond memories of that day.
A fantastic racing game and a very underrated one, considering it predated the likes of RFactor and Assetto Corsa. One has to wonder what Yu Suzuki and his team could've achieved if they had been put in charge of creating a true Gran Turismo competitor. Also, those skyboxes still look gorgeous to this day.
Yu Suzuki was going for realism on this one. Nothing over-the-top, as seen in most arcade games during the 90’s. I always thought of it as the Virtua Fighter of arcade racers. Deep game play that rewards you over time, after many hours of practice.
They way you describe your frustration, and effort in trying to get accustomed to the controls is very relatable. For the longest time, I've tried to get into m+kb for shooters, and no matter how many settings I change I still find it very uncomfortable. I don't know how people are accustomed to that setup because lord knows I tried😂😂😂😂.
That feels weird because using a mouse is by far the most natural way of aiming. I personally can't use a gamepad for FPS/TPS, and I don't want to, because like 80% of the fun of a racing game comes from the steering wheel for me, 80% of the fun of a FPS/TPS comes from the mouse. If it's the keyboard side you struggle with, I also felt unconfortable the first time (25 years ago) during a LAN party, and I tried the setting a friend used there, and it clicked, it felt way more natural: I use the right click to move forward, and 3 keys for the 3 other directions in that order: left, right, backward, with one finger on each. Having 3 fingers to handle 4 direction keys is unatural, having the finger handling backward and/or forward between the fingers handling left and right is unatural too. So having one finger for each direction, spread on both hands and with neighbourg fingers to handle left and right makes it so much more natural for me, and maybe it could be the same for you or anyone who stuggles to get used to the traditional way.
I loved this game back in the day. My local arcade had the deluxe 3 screen version, I would always play with all assists off and use the full 6-speed manual gear box. For a long time I held the lap record on the Long Beach track at my local arcade. To master the game in the "full on sim mode" with no assists you needed to be smooth on the wheel, go down the gear box under braking for "engine braking", change gears quickly to minimise the speed drop, and master the understeer & oversteer. Playing the single screen standard arcade machine with the "flappy paddle" gears felt like a completely different game for me. While changing gears with the paddle the car loses too much speed during the gear shifts, and I always felt as if I never had as much control over the car as I did with the 3 screen deluxe version. I always had this issue with the console versions as well. The deluxe cab was the way to play this.
I've encountered the arcade cab of this just once and yeah the game just really kicked my ass. It's a cool concept and pretty hardcore, but It's one of the two racing games that was crazy tough to play in the arcades (right up there with the Battle Gear 4 Tuned in full Manual Mode).
I never bothered with this one on Dreamcast, I didn't realize it was first party AM2 directed by the man himself Yu Suzuki! The deluxe cab apparently had three screens and ran off four Naomi boards, had a physical clutch as well as shifter paddles as an option. Watching your gameplay footage I recognize the courses from Assetto Corsa, F1 and Forza which is really cool. The Practice laps are also in Assetto, which is a hardcore sim racing game for console/PC and is really only playable with a wheel/pedals. I have this on my GDEMU now, gonna give it a spin tonight since I'm a sim fan :) My only tips for these types of games is feather the gas like you would a real car, and likewise for the brake.
I still play this on Dreamcast! The driver's point of view is perfect, with focus on the road as opposed to the dashboard of which modern racers emulate today. A beautiful and unforgiving game, but not impossible to master. A true classic and with a few other games, this is the reason i still have my Dreamcast set up to this day. 🙂
My main arcade had this game, but it was removed before my "proper" arcade obsession. Luckily an arcade I go to every summer break has it. This year I set records on almost every stage in time trial mode. I'll see if other people bother to play and my score will be beaten by the time I'm back next year or in winter break! PS: I told my friend who works there about it. He has unlimited arcade play, so I don't doubt him trying to beat me personally.
I think what makes this game so hard is the poor POV. I play a lot of sim racing games and I absolutely struggle with this one. I felt like it wasn't as bad with the 3 screen arcade cabinet, but it's still such a difficult game because of the POV is off.
Interesting thought. Could be. That’s how I feel about Initial D. Except in reverse. In cockpit mode I am really good. Third person something feels off
I used to crap on this game because I can't race in first person without hitting everything, Everything. the 3rd person hack helps me 100%. I'm able to enjoy it now. Thanks Essperial 💜
As a gamer, I love racing games. So I've purchased a few PS2 racing games over the years. It's amazing how much I had forgotten how most PS2 racing games expect the cross button to be depressed to accelerate, instead of using the R2 trigger button - which is used in present day racers. I'm sure that playing with a wheel makes racing better for these types of games, but with the PS2 I just want to use my controller and GO! Even games like Enthusia and Auto Modellista can feel unforgiving to me, but I guess that's the gist for playing a real life simulator (of sorts).
My love for realistic sims started with this one. This game was pure magic back in the dat. Super smooth 60fps, beautiful lighting, great audio and ost, challanging. It was the game I moded my dreamcast gamepad for. I was pretty good at it too - was topping laptime charts in a Polish gaming magazine for a while (fun fact, to prove your laptime you had to record it on a vhs and send in the tape). I love this game to bits. Thing is with this game to be decent you actually have to drive proper racing lines and be smooth with your inputs. Sawing at the wheel like the reviewer does is a way to loose.
I think they made this game so you could challange your friends in arcades. It's basicly like virtua fighter as racing game. One guy trains it and gets good at it, and then teaches his friends.
When I think about it, training makes absolute sense (it sucks in regards to spending money). If you're doing network play (which this game has) with 3 other drivers, in a time and location (JP specifically) where there was most likely a scene of players who would have been really interested, that's the best way to get yourself better then most. I'm sure it's not a perfect scenario but it sounds like a great idea, especially if it has a steep learning curve.
MSR (Metropolis Street Racer) is a great way to learn how to play F355 Challenge, because you have to practice over and over again to get better at it. It is a phenomenal racer.
Some added info to the delux arcade cabinet - you could get a printout with some data, but as it was so many years ago I don't actually remember what you got on the printout. Probably the same data that you could save on the vmu.
I think why people find this game so difficult is that the illusion of speed is so poor. When you think youre traveling at 30 you're actually going 120
The sensation of speed vs the reality of the speedometer does differ. Then again in an arcade racing game somehow they make 100 feel like 200...when in real life driving 100 feels about the same as 65
@@VideoGameEsoterica f355 is the total opposite to Daytona in relation to the sense of speed. Personally I think ridge racer has it spot on. 100+ in real life is quite scary anything but the biggest roads😮.
Stability control. Yea. It’s a VERY hard game, especially at the time. It was basically a sim racer. And I LOVE it. You need to be super delicate with the steering.
@@VideoGameEsoterica I recently put AetherSX2 on my macbook just to play it… Yea. I love that game. There’s something special about it. Driving Laguna Seca (mazda speedway) is like a meditation for me.
@@VideoGameEsoterica From watching your game play, I see that the drivers hands on the wheels are moving really fast. Perhaps there are some options to adjust to slow that down. F355 Challenge is really unforgiving to quick steering input. You’ll immediately lose traction on the front and understeer.
It's a very impressive game and I used to play it on my 25'' VGA monitor. I struggled to play it well which is a common thing with Yu Suzuki games for me. I also struggle with Virtua Fighter and Afterburner.
This game stood next to an 18 Wheeler in an Arcade in Hamburg... both the Deluxe Cabinets. Guess what I mostly played always at lunch break... it rhimes on eeler :-)
The only real AI based discussion way back in 1999, when this was crated was with regards to the move coming along in a couple of years. It does look good although if the playability was indeed difficult then I would have thought it ill advised to put them into arcades because getting value for your quarter etc would have been important for consumers.
The fundamental problem with the game is that it is very punishing with its physics, but at the same time the game does a poor job at communicating to you the inertia of the car's body, like body roll and grip limit. So I don't blame you for being confused, this is why I advise you to try your hand at a modern sim like GT7, learn about the dynamics of a real car like the way weight transfer relates to oversteer and understeer, and then come back to this one, and you will have an easier time anticipating how the car is going to react. Also this is a game that was meant to be experienced with a wheel and pedals, because gradual and smooth input are fundamental. In this sense, this game is for the initiated only.
I don't know what the development for this game was like, but I wonder if Yu Suzuki did this project with the ulterior motive of getting to drive a Ferrari F355 a whole bunch... Gotta make sure it's accurate to the source after all! 😉
I read that he bought a 355 after his arcade success and loved the car so much he wanted everyone to experience it. So he got the license from Ferrari and made this game
The best tip I can give you if you are playing without a wheel is to try and change the dead zone of the steering input in the settings, and be extremely gentle with your steering or you will systematically lose the back.
The back is def wild on the car. But I am sure it’s as easy in real life to get the back end of the car out from underneath itself as it is in this game
These kind of sims you need to barely use the brakes and paly manual using downshift to reduce speed when taking curves. Also, I think this game had other buttons on the arcade console so you could activate or deactivate assistance driving stuff like ABS and traction control, so there is no way you can play this game in AT. Is like Sega Touring Racing x10.
@@VideoGameEsoterica This is the kind of game you have to enable and dissable them manually depending on the part of the track, and at the same time downshift entering curves, etc.
You have to play with all those assists off. Is the only way to get good. Also your controller analog is way too sensitive. For starts hold the gas at 3.5k RPM, and when it hit green slowly squeeze the gas. On the dreamcast version you can make sure you have full analog control on the option screen for gas, brake, and steering.
It is a simulation racer indeed. Very difficult, but very rewarding when all goes well. It looks amazing indeed. The dc port has a patch to use widescreen in VGA mode (which is disabled normally) There is nothing arcade about this game except it's awesome visuals The DC version looks better than the ps2 version. Invest in this game. Tips, always race with other drivers. Watch when they brake. You can brake slightly later, but only slightly later. Also never steer 100% Try steering a little bit I see you steering from 0 to 100% Same applies to gas and brake pedals, but to a lesser extend. Try and play with how much gas you give. Like in a real car. It is frustrating. This game needs a rewind feature for when a mistake is made. Try with 'easy' oval tracks
Yep you have to be very smooth with the controls. I never mastered it but got quite good at Suzuka Short. It is an odd gameplay style for the arcade, but nevertheless was a great machine to play on!
Hi, yeh, its a very cool looking game. The car slides too much for me too. I have it on PS2 on a bundle with 18Wheeler, Lemans24h and others, i think is called Segas best racing games. I like this game but Sega have better ones
I have not actually played this, but I'm into racing sims. I will say, from your footage, you should at least turn the far-right setting, IBS, off. That is automatically braking for you. Your arcade racing instincts are kicking in at times (trying to get through a gap between a car and the wall, or coming up fast on a car directly in front of you), and the game is braking, not allowing you to properly do the sorts of maneuvers you're attempting. I know it's probably helpful on tracks you're unfamiliar with, because it slows you down for a turn you don't know is coming, but I think this one setting is probably the biggest issue at the moment. I'd suggest turning off IBS, then just drive one track until you've memorized its layout, and see how you do then. The other assists could be hindering you as well, it's hard to say. There are definitely games with sim elements where I've found the driving aids actually make the game waaaay harder for me. But every game is different.
@@VideoGameEsoterica I don't think you mentioned in the video (maybe I missed it?) but which emulator are you running this on? I'd like to give it a try in a similar setup to yours to see what's what.
Usually naomi ports were better on dreamcast than the ps2 like crazy taxi marvel vs capcom 2 like you said this game as well and you definitely can't beat some good old school arcade racers as well like outrun 2 🙂 👍
When your car NEEDS to be replaced and it’s still the supply crunch you kinda buy what you want get. GTI turbo needed replacement and the moonroof started to leak. Needed like 10K in work and it was 7 years old so we cut and run . A lot of the cars I wanted to test drive didn’t exist within 500 miles of where we are but the X2 is so small and low / drives a lot like a GTI in the steering. So I love it in its own way
seems like a weird detour from SEGAs other racing games, even for the time.. almost like it was made as a Gran Turismo competitor for the Dreamcast and they decided to release it in the arcades.. if that was the case, surely Metropolis Street Racer would have been a better choice? 😕 Still, looks fantastic 🙂
@@VideoGameEsoterica Well, i guess when it's Yu Suzuki, what is SEGA going to say, no? It's like Nintendo telling Miyamoto he can't make a Mario game with sentient hats.
As promised, here's the link to that 3rd person view on Dreamcast, not aure of all steps done to get it though: th-cam.com/video/NAjlKt7fRRU/w-d-xo.html
@@VideoGameEsoterica traction control and stability control are separate. Traction control reduces power when wheel spin in sensed on drive wheels. Stability control mostly brakes individual wheels to reduce oversteer or understeer.
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm playing Forza 1 on Xbox and I was able to adapt easily, even though I've spent my whole life playing GT. Now these two Sega games, I don't know, I have the impression that even though they are "simulation" they still have a bit of arcade so this mix didn't go down well. Mainly on the Sega GT. Cars don't behave the same way as in GT or Forza...or DriveClub.
I think F355 forces you to deal with weight transfer in a more realistic way than the GT games do, at least definitely the games in the series up until GT Sport. For example you can notice how heavy or light the load is on the front and the back depending on the g-forces you put on the car when you push it hard. In the GT games weight transfer barely has any effect on the cars, and the way they deal with traction is a lot simpler too. That means managing the dynamics of the car takes a lot less attention. Another thing that I think makes the gap in difficulty wider is that F355 forces you to drive a car without that much aero that also has its engine (so most of its weight) in the back. Not a thing that would be easy to drive at track speeds around corners IRL. Assists can only help you so much in that situation.
Had early jap copy,beat it still my fav racing game,shame the naomi version dont run,u need all racing assit off and manual gears otherwise u got no chance
My favorite racer of all time. Used to play this online back in the day on the Dreamcast. I think you watched back a replay of another online player against your car,. Still fun back in the day, Its all about sliding and picking the right gear you need to play this with manual gearrs It has a viceral handling model.
Yes there are so many aspects you need to think about
Those online replay battles were awesome, you didn't know the result until you watched the race. Brilliant!
You could also link 2 dreamcasts together.
VGE, thank you for this upload! *fighting back tears*
I once spent $25 playing this game only at the SEGA Dreamworks in Las Vegas a few years back and have fond memories of that day.
Gotta love good gaming memories!
A fantastic racing game and a very underrated one, considering it predated the likes of RFactor and Assetto Corsa. One has to wonder what Yu Suzuki and his team could've achieved if they had been put in charge of creating a true Gran Turismo competitor. Also, those skyboxes still look gorgeous to this day.
Yes it would have been interesting to see Sega take this formula and use it today
Yu Suzuki was going for realism on this one. Nothing over-the-top, as seen in most arcade games during the 90’s. I always thought of it as the Virtua Fighter of arcade racers. Deep game play that rewards you over time, after many hours of practice.
He def succeeded that’s for sure
Hard as nails, but adore the DC version with the Ferrari wheel/pedal set-up. Never got the chance to take the 3-screen coin-op out for a spin, sadly.
The three screen setup is wild
They way you describe your frustration, and effort in trying to get accustomed to the controls is very relatable. For the longest time, I've tried to get into m+kb for shooters, and no matter how many settings I change I still find it very uncomfortable. I don't know how people are accustomed to that setup because lord knows I tried😂😂😂😂.
Haha we all have our weak spots
That feels weird because using a mouse is by far the most natural way of aiming. I personally can't use a gamepad for FPS/TPS, and I don't want to, because like 80% of the fun of a racing game comes from the steering wheel for me, 80% of the fun of a FPS/TPS comes from the mouse.
If it's the keyboard side you struggle with, I also felt unconfortable the first time (25 years ago) during a LAN party, and I tried the setting a friend used there, and it clicked, it felt way more natural: I use the right click to move forward, and 3 keys for the 3 other directions in that order: left, right, backward, with one finger on each.
Having 3 fingers to handle 4 direction keys is unatural, having the finger handling backward and/or forward between the fingers handling left and right is unatural too. So having one finger for each direction, spread on both hands and with neighbourg fingers to handle left and right makes it so much more natural for me, and maybe it could be the same for you or anyone who stuggles to get used to the traditional way.
I loved this game back in the day. My local arcade had the deluxe 3 screen version, I would always play with all assists off and use the full 6-speed manual gear box. For a long time I held the lap record on the Long Beach track at my local arcade. To master the game in the "full on sim mode" with no assists you needed to be smooth on the wheel, go down the gear box under braking for "engine braking", change gears quickly to minimise the speed drop, and master the understeer & oversteer.
Playing the single screen standard arcade machine with the "flappy paddle" gears felt like a completely different game for me. While changing gears with the paddle the car loses too much speed during the gear shifts, and I always felt as if I never had as much control over the car as I did with the 3 screen deluxe version. I always had this issue with the console versions as well. The deluxe cab was the way to play this.
It’s a bummer the three screen version is so incredibly rare now. Def not a cab you will see often at all
I've encountered the arcade cab of this just once and yeah the game just really kicked my ass. It's a cool concept and pretty hardcore, but It's one of the two racing games that was crazy tough to play in the arcades (right up there with the Battle Gear 4 Tuned in full Manual Mode).
I’m sure if you played a few hours a day for months on end you’d get good
I never bothered with this one on Dreamcast, I didn't realize it was first party AM2 directed by the man himself Yu Suzuki! The deluxe cab apparently had three screens and ran off four Naomi boards, had a physical clutch as well as shifter paddles as an option. Watching your gameplay footage I recognize the courses from Assetto Corsa, F1 and Forza which is really cool. The Practice laps are also in Assetto, which is a hardcore sim racing game for console/PC and is really only playable with a wheel/pedals. I have this on my GDEMU now, gonna give it a spin tonight since I'm a sim fan :) My only tips for these types of games is feather the gas like you would a real car, and likewise for the brake.
Yes the giant cab is a sight to behold. Probably the most complex racing cab...maybe only rivaled by the deluxe Racing Jam from Konami
Yeah, that's the version I mentioned earlier that I played at DreamWorks, I'd walk over my momma to have that set up in my home LOL
Lol never heard that expression before
Love this on the Dreamcast but it has to be one of the most unforgiving games I’ve played
So unforgiving! Its seriously the hardest racing game I have ever played
I'm intrigued by this one. Never had a chance to play.... But it looks like it's hard, but fun
its super fun even if it hates you at every turn
An exciting simulator is a rarity.
The "Passione Rossa" line is not just a catchphrase. This game was made with passion and it shows.
I still play this on Dreamcast! The driver's point of view is perfect, with focus on the road as opposed to the dashboard of which modern racers emulate today. A beautiful and unforgiving game, but not impossible to master. A true classic and with a few other games, this is the reason i still have my Dreamcast set up to this day. 🙂
Oh it’s def unforgiving. I’ve still yet to crack the code
My main arcade had this game, but it was removed before my "proper" arcade obsession.
Luckily an arcade I go to every summer break has it. This year I set records on almost every stage in time trial mode. I'll see if other people bother to play and my score will be beaten by the time I'm back next year or in winter break!
PS: I told my friend who works there about it. He has unlimited arcade play, so I don't doubt him trying to beat me personally.
Nice. Fun to see there’s still cabs out there for it
I think what makes this game so hard is the poor POV. I play a lot of sim racing games and I absolutely struggle with this one. I felt like it wasn't as bad with the 3 screen arcade cabinet, but it's still such a difficult game because of the POV is off.
Interesting thought. Could be. That’s how I feel about Initial D. Except in reverse. In cockpit mode I am really good. Third person something feels off
I used to crap on this game because I can't race in first person without hitting everything, Everything.
the 3rd person hack helps me 100%. I'm able to enjoy it now. Thanks Essperial 💜
Third person is helpful to understand where your car is in relationship to the track for sure
As a gamer, I love racing games. So I've purchased a few PS2 racing games over the years. It's amazing how much I had forgotten how most PS2 racing games expect the cross button to be depressed to accelerate, instead of using the R2 trigger button - which is used in present day racers. I'm sure that playing with a wheel makes racing better for these types of games, but with the PS2 I just want to use my controller and GO! Even games like Enthusia and Auto Modellista can feel unforgiving to me, but I guess that's the gist for playing a real life simulator (of sorts).
My love for realistic sims started with this one. This game was pure magic back in the dat. Super smooth 60fps, beautiful lighting, great audio and ost, challanging. It was the game I moded my dreamcast gamepad for. I was pretty good at it too - was topping laptime charts in a Polish gaming magazine for a while (fun fact, to prove your laptime you had to record it on a vhs and send in the tape).
I love this game to bits.
Thing is with this game to be decent you actually have to drive proper racing lines and be smooth with your inputs. Sawing at the wheel like the reviewer does is a way to loose.
It’s def a game that requires a metric ton of practice that’s for sure
I think they made this game so you could challange your friends in arcades. It's basicly like virtua fighter as racing game. One guy trains it and gets good at it, and then teaches his friends.
Very likely. Which is def a unique situation for a racing game
Playing the arcade right now with a friend of mine. Hard as f... and even when you get 1. Place you'll end up a 'game over'
Hardest racing sim I’ve ever played hands down
I love the version with 3 CRT Display
Yeah that cabinet is just wild
I was thinking how this screamed Yu Susuki before you brought him up, given his penchant for Ferraris.
Haha yep. It has his telltale development signs all over it
When I think about it, training makes absolute sense (it sucks in regards to spending money). If you're doing network play (which this game has) with 3 other drivers, in a time and location (JP specifically) where there was most likely a scene of players who would have been really interested, that's the best way to get yourself better then most. I'm sure it's not a perfect scenario but it sounds like a great idea, especially if it has a steep learning curve.
Yes the money you’d need to spend to learn the game would have been sky high
@@VideoGameEsoterica we'd have to see the yen prices for when it launched in the late 90s.
MSR (Metropolis Street Racer) is a great way to learn how to play F355 Challenge, because you have to practice over and over again to get better at it. It is a phenomenal racer.
Pro Tip : the Brake assistance only works in straight lines.
1:28 you need a legit steering wheel. I played the actual deluxe machine. It’s much easier in the arcade. Loved it. At home I can play it woth the g27
I am working on a new wheel setup for PC currently
Ferrari F355 Challenge both on Dreamcast and PS2 are equally fantastic!
Classics for sure
Some added info to the delux arcade cabinet - you could get a printout with some data, but as it was so many years ago I don't actually remember what you got on the printout. Probably the same data that you could save on the vmu.
my printout would be "you suck kid"
Mine was probably too, that's why I don't remember it very well.
😂
I think why people find this game so difficult is that the illusion of speed is so poor. When you think youre traveling at 30 you're actually going 120
The sensation of speed vs the reality of the speedometer does differ. Then again in an arcade racing game somehow they make 100 feel like 200...when in real life driving 100 feels about the same as 65
@@VideoGameEsoterica f355 is the total opposite to Daytona in relation to the sense of speed. Personally I think ridge racer has it spot on.
100+ in real life is quite scary anything but the biggest roads😮.
My record is 144 in a car…when I was less responsible in life lol
I'm saving up for a twin cab. Hopefully I'll have it by Christmas
Nice. That cant be cheap
Stability control.
Yea. It’s a VERY hard game, especially at the time. It was basically a sim racer. And I LOVE it. You need to be super delicate with the steering.
People who love it really do LOVE it :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica I recently put AetherSX2 on my macbook just to play it… Yea. I love that game. There’s something special about it. Driving Laguna Seca (mazda speedway) is like a meditation for me.
For me it’s just like playing pinball…bouncing off everything 😂
@@VideoGameEsoterica From watching your game play, I see that the drivers hands on the wheels are moving really fast. Perhaps there are some options to adjust to slow that down. F355 Challenge is really unforgiving to quick steering input. You’ll immediately lose traction on the front and understeer.
It might just be the fact I am way more into arcade racing games so I am hitting the wheel harder than I should too
One day we will have someone who’s playing a setup networked against each other.
That would be a fun thing to see
It's a very impressive game and I used to play it on my 25'' VGA monitor. I struggled to play it well which is a common thing with Yu Suzuki games for me. I also struggle with Virtua Fighter and Afterburner.
Its not an easy game to get the hang of
@@VideoGameEsoterica
I've still got my Dreamcast racing wheel. I might give it a try.
This game stood next to an 18 Wheeler in an Arcade in Hamburg... both the Deluxe Cabinets. Guess what I mostly played always at lunch break... it rhimes on eeler :-)
Haha I’d have picked the same for sure
The only real AI based discussion way back in 1999, when this was crated was with regards to the move coming along in a couple of years. It does look good although if the playability was indeed difficult then I would have thought it ill advised to put them into arcades because getting value for your quarter etc would have been important for consumers.
Value for quarter was always a thing. Nothing was worse than putting money in a game and regretting it
The fundamental problem with the game is that it is very punishing with its physics, but at the same time the game does a poor job at communicating to you the inertia of the car's body, like body roll and grip limit. So I don't blame you for being confused, this is why I advise you to try your hand at a modern sim like GT7, learn about the dynamics of a real car like the way weight transfer relates to oversteer and understeer, and then come back to this one, and you will have an easier time anticipating how the car is going to react. Also this is a game that was meant to be experienced with a wheel and pedals, because gradual and smooth input are fundamental. In this sense, this game is for the initiated only.
I have GT7. Been playing in VR lately. Wild times
SC is Stability control, the computer system assists with cornering stability
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I don't know what the development for this game was like, but I wonder if Yu Suzuki did this project with the ulterior motive of getting to drive a Ferrari F355 a whole bunch... Gotta make sure it's accurate to the source after all! 😉
hahaha I could see that
I read that he bought a 355 after his arcade success and loved the car so much he wanted everyone to experience it. So he got the license from Ferrari and made this game
I mean that makes sense. Dude spent years making racing games. Bet he loved cars
The best tip I can give you if you are playing without a wheel is to try and change the dead zone of the steering input in the settings, and be extremely gentle with your steering or you will systematically lose the back.
The back is def wild on the car. But I am sure it’s as easy in real life to get the back end of the car out from underneath itself as it is in this game
@@VideoGameEsoterica you can also add downforce on the rear wing, this will help keep the back planted.
@@VideoGameEsoterica And also you can soften the suspension on the rear axle relative to the front axle, this will make the car more understeery.
Man, my Dreamcast component cable is coming from UK. 🙏
First component cable from Dreamcast in Brazil 🎉
Fun times
Loved this game on the Dreamcast... Played it until the Dreamcast let the magic smoke out.
I turned the assists off and still managed to get top 3
Oh no it let the smoke out
These kind of sims you need to barely use the brakes and paly manual using downshift to reduce speed when taking curves.
Also, I think this game had other buttons on the arcade console so you could activate or deactivate assistance driving stuff like ABS and traction control, so there is no way you can play this game in AT.
Is like Sega Touring Racing x10.
Yes there are a bunch of assists. Even with them all on. So hard
@@VideoGameEsoterica This is the kind of game you have to enable and dissable them manually depending on the part of the track, and at the same time downshift entering curves, etc.
I love that Sega went for it. They def did not pull any punches on the sim aspect
You have to play with all those assists off. Is the only way to get good. Also your controller analog is way too sensitive. For starts hold the gas at 3.5k RPM, and when it hit green slowly squeeze the gas. On the dreamcast version you can make sure you have full analog control on the option screen for gas, brake, and steering.
Also I forgot to mention just like real life you can hear how much grip you have around a corner, by how hard your tires screech.
See this is why I will probably never be good. So many things to manage
Be sure to use manual transmission and turn off that blue button on the bottom left. That'll help.
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I might get one of those cheap Huskee drive wheel and give the PS2 port a chance ...
PS2 port is a decent time
SEGA should just release this on the PS5 And I’ll buy it 😅 Arcade perfect translation please! The previous consoles releases aren’t the same.
Sega rarely does anything to makes fans happy 🤣
So, between this game and Touring, do you think that they are on the same page as far as handling?
Excellent video my friend!
Oh this is WAY BETTER than Touring
@@VideoGameEsoterica dang! I think they dropped the ball on touring. Could have been Sega rally 2.0.
It is a simulation racer indeed. Very difficult, but very rewarding when all goes well.
It looks amazing indeed.
The dc port has a patch to use widescreen in VGA mode (which is disabled normally)
There is nothing arcade about this game except it's awesome visuals
The DC version looks better than the ps2 version.
Invest in this game.
Tips, always race with other drivers.
Watch when they brake. You can brake slightly later, but only slightly later.
Also never steer 100% Try steering a little bit
I see you steering from 0 to 100%
Same applies to gas and brake pedals, but to a lesser extend. Try and play with how much gas you give. Like in a real car.
It is frustrating. This game needs a rewind feature for when a mistake is made.
Try with 'easy' oval tracks
My issue is stuff rarely goes well haha. But when it does click it feels great
@@VideoGameEsoterica That sounds about right.
Steep learning curve, this one.
Emulation racing fans sleep on this game.
Yes I think more people would love it if they gave it a try
Yep you have to be very smooth with the controls. I never mastered it but got quite good at Suzuka Short.
It is an odd gameplay style for the arcade, but nevertheless was a great machine to play on!
Yes it makes way more sense as a console game but I’m still glad it exists!
I just recently got gran turismo 7 for ps5 and they look like they play pretty similar. I mostly got it for the graphics I suck at simulator racers
I got it for VR myself
It's one of those you either love or you don't games
There's a little surprise on Twitter tho 😉😉
Haha just saw. Big cab
Definitely not a big sim racer. I love unrealistic driving physics in my games so I can slingshot my way around every corner!
haha me too. Give me that SF Rush driving engine!
Hi, yeh, its a very cool looking game.
The car slides too much for me too.
I have it on PS2 on a bundle with 18Wheeler, Lemans24h and others, i think is called Segas best racing games.
I like this game but Sega have better ones
It def handles like an actual sports car thats for sure
@@VideoGameEsoterica only on ice 😅
I drive better on ice in real life than I do on pavement in this game
@@VideoGameEsoterica 😂👍
It’s true lol
I have not actually played this, but I'm into racing sims. I will say, from your footage, you should at least turn the far-right setting, IBS, off. That is automatically braking for you. Your arcade racing instincts are kicking in at times (trying to get through a gap between a car and the wall, or coming up fast on a car directly in front of you), and the game is braking, not allowing you to properly do the sorts of maneuvers you're attempting. I know it's probably helpful on tracks you're unfamiliar with, because it slows you down for a turn you don't know is coming, but I think this one setting is probably the biggest issue at the moment. I'd suggest turning off IBS, then just drive one track until you've memorized its layout, and see how you do then. The other assists could be hindering you as well, it's hard to say. There are definitely games with sim elements where I've found the driving aids actually make the game waaaay harder for me. But every game is different.
Yes the auto braking is an odd touch. Maybe a little TOO MUCH of an assist
@@VideoGameEsoterica I don't think you mentioned in the video (maybe I missed it?) but which emulator are you running this on? I'd like to give it a try in a similar setup to yours to see what's what.
What's the Patreon level I need to contribute at to have you destroy your actual car on an actual course? I'm hunting and can't find it here.
thats the $48000 level. Add 10.25% extra for taxes
@@VideoGameEsoterica move to New Hampshire and you have a deal. Lower taxes there.
Usually naomi ports were better on dreamcast than the ps2 like crazy taxi marvel vs capcom 2 like you said this game as well and you definitely can't beat some good old school arcade racers as well like outrun 2 🙂 👍
Outrun 2 soon! Maybe two episodes on it ;)
@@VideoGameEsoterica yes please do sp as well huge improvement over the original outrun 2 🙂👍
The goat
haha why do you love it? Curious. Its a fun time but GOAT? I need evidence
The Dark Souls of arcade racing games?
100% good comparison
@@VideoGameEsoterica For sure.
I think it takes less time to get good at a Souls game too
@@VideoGameEsoterica I’ve made Sekiro mods before but playing it is a hell of a challenge.
Honestly I checked out on Elden Ring. That was about my limit for hard
Beat the dc version unlocked hidden track,your oversteering do u have driving licence?
No I drive like this in real life too 😂
I don't think I've ever even seen this one in the arcades. I'm curious what car you drive after your comments in this video 😁
We had a GTI but we recently traded it in for something less cool; an X2
@@VideoGameEsoterica ah, nice! I test drove a GTI. Nice cars. I can't bring myself to own an SUV or a crossover, though 😂
When your car NEEDS to be replaced and it’s still the supply crunch you kinda buy what you want get. GTI turbo needed replacement and the moonroof started to leak. Needed like 10K in work and it was 7 years old so we cut and run .
A lot of the cars I wanted to test drive didn’t exist within 500 miles of where we are but the X2 is so small and low / drives a lot like a GTI in the steering. So I love it in its own way
@@VideoGameEsoterica ouch! Yeah, I had to wait 12 months for my current car to arrive. Thankfully I didn't need to replace the old one quickly!
Once it started leaking it was “get rid of it ASAP”
Are you using flycast or Demul, fam?
Demul
SC = Stability Control
I need more help with that aspect lol. Car is slippery
seems like a weird detour from SEGAs other racing games, even for the time.. almost like it was made as a Gran Turismo competitor for the Dreamcast and they decided to release it in the arcades.. if that was the case, surely Metropolis Street Racer would have been a better choice? 😕
Still, looks fantastic 🙂
The story is Yu Suzuki REALLY wanted to make a sim...and Sega basically let him do whatever he wanted
@@VideoGameEsoterica Well, i guess when it's Yu Suzuki, what is SEGA going to say, no?
It's like Nintendo telling Miyamoto he can't make a Mario game with sentient hats.
As promised, here's the link to that 3rd person view on Dreamcast, not aure of all steps done to get it though:
th-cam.com/video/NAjlKt7fRRU/w-d-xo.html
Fun to see! thanks for posting it
Are this game works now in Flycast or Demul ?
Yep. It can be a bit tricky to set up but it works
thank u sir ! what version are you playing on in the video ?
The most recent build. 28XXXX
SC = stability control
I think it’s because in my mine it’s always “traction control”…or at least in every car ive owned where you can turn traction control off
@@VideoGameEsoterica traction control and stability control are separate. Traction control reduces power when wheel spin in sensed on drive wheels. Stability control mostly brakes individual wheels to reduce oversteer or understeer.
Things you don’t know when you done have a Ferrari as your daily driver 😂
DreamCast is higher resolution than ps2. But ps2 supports force feed back wheel.
Yes Dreamcast beats PS2 if you factor in VGA
@@VideoGameEsoterica and DreamCast has system link for 2 players
I wish more games had used that
@@VideoGameEsoterica especially because they are not cheap or easy to get hold of.
Def not
This game is way easier than GT. Just practice you will get the hang of it. But this game is way easier than GT period.
I’ve just never cracked the code
Sims racing are not for me too. I like the unrealistic like Outrun or Daytona (or even better... F-Zero AX/GX)
I’d say that’s probably the popular opinion today
This isn't F-Zero GX
I know? Sorry not sure what you mean
Your steering input looks totally digital which probably doesn't help.
It’s analog, not digital
Of course you don't get rich off the channel, you simply were rich ever before.
🤣 can you help me find the money then? I seem to have misplaced it
@@VideoGameEsoterica you spent it, because you had it
Haha maybe I still have it
I'm pretty good at Gran Turismo but Sega games like the Ferrari 355 and Sega GT, I suck. I think the physics of these games is bad
I dont think the physics are bad. I think we just aren't used to them
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm playing Forza 1 on Xbox and I was able to adapt easily, even though I've spent my whole life playing GT. Now these two Sega games, I don't know, I have the impression that even though they are "simulation" they still have a bit of arcade so this mix didn't go down well. Mainly on the Sega GT. Cars don't behave the same way as in GT or Forza...or DriveClub.
GT is the odd one out for sure
I think F355 forces you to deal with weight transfer in a more realistic way than the GT games do, at least definitely the games in the series up until GT Sport. For example you can notice how heavy or light the load is on the front and the back depending on the g-forces you put on the car when you push it hard. In the GT games weight transfer barely has any effect on the cars, and the way they deal with traction is a lot simpler too. That means managing the dynamics of the car takes a lot less attention. Another thing that I think makes the gap in difficulty wider is that F355 forces you to drive a car without that much aero that also has its engine (so most of its weight) in the back. Not a thing that would be easy to drive at track speeds around corners IRL. Assists can only help you so much in that situation.
I’d say GT does feel less sim like than F355 for sure
Does this game have a behind the car camera?
No. Cockpit only. At least to my knowledge
There is an exploit out there that involves GameShark codes and using PAL edition to use 3rd person view, I'll post video link when I find it again
Yeah def post it as I’d be curious
sc is short for stability control
I think the button is broken lol. Also if anyone knows what that button does it will be "Dale Earnhardt's Chevrolet Lumina" lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica is it really broken? i want to play the game and see for myself but the utter lack of other cars is holding me back 🗿
Haha no I just suck so I am blaming the button
Your racing line is totally wrong. You can't drive a racing sim if your racing line is so wrong. Get that right and it will become easier.
I do what I can
Had early jap copy,beat it still my fav racing game,shame the naomi version dont run,u need all racing assit off and manual gears otherwise u got no chance
download?