6/15/24 I purchased a Black Cherry 1990 Eagle Talon base mode in 1990, 5 speed, standard engine to replace my Pontiac Sunbird car. My Talon is now 34 years old with only 18,500 miles , in 2023 I had to replace the fuel tanks fuel pump to get it to start, this year 2024 I just replaced all 4 disc breaks and pads and a tuneup, oil change, the rear truck lid supports. But due to hot and cold weather I need to fix the headliner due to sagging. Still the 1990 Talon is in very good shape with no rust and is now my daily Summer car driver. The base 1990 Talon model does not have air conditioning , no electric windows, no fog lights, no rear window wiper, lower body is same color as up body with a black top. In 1990 the Talon came in 3 versions with the top version had AWD and turbo.
These cars hold a special spot in my heart that no other car can take. The first car I bought with my own hard earned money was a 91' TSi AWD in 98'. I was HOOKED! I have owned 8 of them over the years but have not had one in 20 years. If the day comes around that I find one that is nice and not very modded, I will suck it up! I love your attention to detail and you obvious knowledge of the car. Sub'ed.
You have described a mutual and common experience with these cars. Good luck in your search. You will find the one you are looking for. Thank you for the kind words and the sub!
I had a similar issue on my 91 Talon but instead of lack of fuel it would just dump fuel non stop, run only a few seconds and shut-off, and make its way into crank case. Did some reading and trouble shooting and swapped out the ECU with a V3 ecu and she started and ran perfectly. Opened up the old ECU and yep it was toast from leaking capacitor. Glad you figured it out and the feeling of figuring an issue like this out is soo good. Subscribing to your channel.
Thanks for the sub Mathew! That is a new symptom to add to the list. I hadn’t heard of it dumping fuel like that and washing the cylinders. Thanks for sharing with everyone by putting it in the comments for further reference.
@@SlippingTime I will for sure. And I watch all your videos and love that u still have the desire to work on these cars and do what you do man. Again thanks!!
Yes. The resistor one really throws people for a loop when trying to figure it out. The ECU caps have stopped a lot of cars over time that is for sure. The capacitor replacement should be part of regular maintenance.
Very excited for this episode happy to slip some time to check her out and see if we can learn a bit of the story through the damage his daughter left us on the vehicle but that’s pretty awesome. Hope you have a good thanksgiving and thank you always we really appreciate you my man♥️
Can’t wait please show how you restore the spark plug cover I recently found one and it’s really beat up and I’m looking to try and repair it. Much love and appreciation to you man keep it up you legend
i have a galant with blinkers that wont work, we tried fuses and even changed the switch arm. and insight on how to better diagnose that issue? there were also mice in the car maybe they chewed wires? idk.
I figured the fuel pump but didn't think the ecu would be bad too. I used muriatic acid on my fuel sending unit in the past with a spray bottle, it doesn't hurt painted surfaces and chews through rust rather quickly but you have to keep spraying in on every few minutes for a little while. I buy muriatic acid it at home hardware commercial stores its about $25 for a gallon, dont know if regina has them commercial stores but stoon does. Saved my butt on sending units and fender to bumper bolts etc, eats all the rust away on bolts and they come out like new.
I have a few thoughts on cleaning up this tank. Muriatic acid might be part of that concoction. Depends on how things look when I drain it. Home Hardware has an assortment of supplies I might pick up.
@@SlippingTime From my experiments with muriatic acid it will not work when there's any type of oil present on a metal surface, it prevents any semblance of contact it seems between the acid and the metal. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
Nice work. What size flare wrenches are required? I have a 91 tsi with a no start, my tools are in storage :/ Also, does anyone know which sending units are compatible with the 91? 91-94 turbo models i'm guessing? And, I can't remember if you can hear the pump prime with the key turned to on position, or if they prime in the run position. Thanks!
Hi. Love your videos. Not related to this video but I'd like to know how you deal with burnt out dash and guage cluster bulbs. It's seems really hard to find the oem ones and I don't know how LED ones would work. Out of everything I worked on DSMs I find it baffling how little information there is relating this. Thanks a lot for helping out the DSM community with all your amazing content.
Thanks you Pablo. Now that you mention it I haven’t seen any help on replacing those bulbs. I have fixed those a few times by buying the raw bulb and reusing the socket. I will make a note to include this fix in a video. Thanks for the idea for some more help to put out there.
Just bought a 98 talon base model wont start sat in garage for 7 years put a new battery and new gas has good compression and spark I sprayed starter fluid and it's fired up but would not idle what do you recommend I'm going to pull the full pump should I hear it energize when I turn the key?
My references show a different wiring for the 90 Power Transistor Module 1=Yellow/Green Collector 1 (OC1) Coil A 2=Yellow Base 1 (IB1) ECU pin 54 3=Black Ground 4=NC 5=Yellow/Red Base 2 (IB2) ECU pin 55 6=Yellow/Black Collector 2 (OC2) Coil B And a different wiring for the 91+ Power Transistor Module 1=Yellow/Black Collector 1 (OC1) Coil B 2=Yellow/Red Base 1 (IB1) ECU pin 55 3=Black Ground 4=NC 5=White Tach Gate output ECU pin 109 and Gauge Cluster 6=Black/White +12 IG1 (Switched Battery Voltage) 7=Yellow Base 2 (IB2) ECU pin 54 8=Yellow/Green Collector 2 (OC2) Coil A You'll note that the wire colors match but they switched which of the two transistors was used in the PTM. The 90 gauge cluster is driven from the output of the noise filter. You need to retain it unless you swap to the later cluster. It should be bolted to the intake manifold somewhere. The 91+ ECU should now get it's tach signal from pin 5 of the 91+ PTM. Please its this correct i whant to change The ecu with 1994 1g and The power tr 6pin to 8 pin power tr 1g 1994
WOW! That's a lot of rust on that sending unit lol. Random question - have you ever considered picking up a 3000gt/stealth as a project? I own one and so far, a lot of the components look identical so the talon (eg. the whole fuel pump assembly, fuel pump tester, etc), which means I'm sure you won't have too hard of a time working on them.
Get some tools lol. Seriously though that is a tough question to answer for someone. If it makes sense for your situation and what you want then keep doing your research like you are to make an informed decision. Just remember all cars need some funds to keep them on the road generally so plan for that too. If it is a dream car for you then planning can make it happen.
6/15/24 I purchased a Black Cherry 1990 Eagle Talon base mode in 1990, 5 speed, standard engine to replace my Pontiac Sunbird car. My Talon is now 34 years old with only 18,500 miles , in 2023 I had to replace the fuel tanks fuel pump to get it to start, this year 2024 I just replaced all 4 disc breaks and pads and a tuneup, oil change, the rear truck lid supports. But due to hot and cold weather I need to fix the headliner due to sagging. Still the 1990 Talon is in very good shape with no rust and is now my daily Summer car driver. The base 1990 Talon model does not have air conditioning , no electric windows, no fog lights, no rear window wiper, lower body is same color as up body with a black top. In 1990 the Talon came in 3 versions with the top version had AWD and turbo.
These cars hold a special spot in my heart that no other car can take. The first car I bought with my own hard earned money was a 91' TSi AWD in 98'. I was HOOKED! I have owned 8 of them over the years but have not had one in 20 years. If the day comes around that I find one that is nice and not very modded, I will suck it up! I love your attention to detail and you obvious knowledge of the car. Sub'ed.
You have described a mutual and common experience with these cars. Good luck in your search. You will find the one you are looking for. Thank you for the kind words and the sub!
Happy thanksgiving! This channel deserves so much more attention than it’s getting. Keep it up!!
Good job figuring it out and going through the process of diagnosing. And Congratz on the 1k. Pumped to see you bring another one back to its glory.
Thank you tk106. One more being saved!
I had a similar issue on my 91 Talon but instead of lack of fuel it would just dump fuel non stop, run only a few seconds and shut-off, and make its way into crank case. Did some reading and trouble shooting and swapped out the ECU with a V3 ecu and she started and ran perfectly. Opened up the old ECU and yep it was toast from leaking capacitor. Glad you figured it out and the feeling of figuring an issue like this out is soo good. Subscribing to your channel.
Thanks for the sub Mathew! That is a new symptom to add to the list. I hadn’t heard of it dumping fuel like that and washing the cylinders. Thanks for sharing with everyone by putting it in the comments for further reference.
So cool to see the old TMO stuff in action! Todd Day was a mad genius for sure.
Yes, Todd’s contribution to the progression of dsm’s cannot be forgotten. One of the keynotes in the DSM history book.
I have the same car man and I think I have the same issue.. good guidance man. Thanks so much.
Best of luck on resolving your issue Chris. Be sure to let us know what you find out!
@@SlippingTime I will for sure. And I watch all your videos and love that u still have the desire to work on these cars and do what you do man. Again thanks!!
That's awesome. most people don't know when owning a DSM that common injectors issue is either with the ECU or the resistor
Yes. The resistor one really throws people for a loop when trying to figure it out. The ECU caps have stopped a lot of cars over time that is for sure. The capacitor replacement should be part of regular maintenance.
@@SlippingTime forsure I had this happen in my 98 TSI. Luckily I just went with 95 EPROM and resistor when I did my 1g-2g swap
Very nice to revive such a machine, 4G63 that had been idle for 10 years and hear its snoring.
Nice work! You are a mad scientist. Just a bit sketchy had me laughing 😅🤣
👨🔬 😁
Very excited for this episode happy to slip some time to check her out and see if we can learn a bit of the story through the damage his daughter left us on the vehicle but that’s pretty awesome. Hope you have a good thanksgiving and thank you always we really appreciate you my man♥️
Thanks as always Yum Dust.
@@SlippingTimeSell it to me
Will fallow the full restoration vids
More to come for sure on this one!
Can’t wait please show how you restore the spark plug cover I recently found one and it’s really beat up and I’m looking to try and repair it. Much love and appreciation to you man keep it up you legend
@@YUM_DustDSM4G63 you can get new plug covers from jnz rtm and other parts houses still.
@@ts6141 I have one though I want to repair and refurbish it. Aka it was the original one that came on my car.
i have a galant with blinkers that wont work, we tried fuses and even changed the switch arm. and insight on how to better diagnose that issue? there were also mice in the car maybe they chewed wires? idk.
That’s a hard one to help with over TH-cam comments. Keep chasing the wiring and the blinker itself. Get a wiring diagram if you don’t have one.
My Talon that sat for 20 years had the fuel system in the same condition. By the way that old fuel smell will stay in your garage for weeks.
The smell is still in my nose. Lol!
I figured the fuel pump but didn't think the ecu would be bad too. I used muriatic acid on my fuel sending unit in the past with a spray bottle, it doesn't hurt painted surfaces and chews through rust rather quickly but you have to keep spraying in on every few minutes for a little while. I buy muriatic acid it at home hardware commercial stores its about $25 for a gallon, dont know if regina has them commercial stores but stoon does. Saved my butt on sending units and fender to bumper bolts etc, eats all the rust away on bolts and they come out like new.
I have a few thoughts on cleaning up this tank. Muriatic acid might be part of that concoction. Depends on how things look when I drain it. Home Hardware has an assortment of supplies I might pick up.
@@SlippingTime From my experiments with muriatic acid it will not work when there's any type of oil present on a metal surface, it prevents any semblance of contact it seems between the acid and the metal. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
Nice work. What size flare wrenches are required? I have a 91 tsi with a no start, my tools are in storage :/ Also, does anyone know which sending units are compatible with the 91? 91-94 turbo models i'm guessing? And, I can't remember if you can hear the pump prime with the key turned to on position, or if they prime in the run position. Thanks!
Hi. Love your videos. Not related to this video but I'd like to know how you deal with burnt out dash and guage cluster bulbs. It's seems really hard to find the oem ones and I don't know how LED ones would work. Out of everything I worked on DSMs I find it baffling how little information there is relating this. Thanks a lot for helping out the DSM community with all your amazing content.
Thanks you Pablo. Now that you mention it I haven’t seen any help on replacing those bulbs. I have fixed those a few times by buying the raw bulb and reusing the socket. I will make a note to include this fix in a video. Thanks for the idea for some more help to put out there.
Just bought a 98 talon base model wont start sat in garage for 7 years put a new battery and new gas has good compression and spark I sprayed starter fluid and it's fired up but would not idle what do you recommend I'm going to pull the full pump should I hear it energize when I turn the key?
The pump won’t energize until you actually turn the key for the starter. Best thing to do is check if you have fuel coming to the rail. Good luck!
My references show a different wiring for the 90 Power Transistor Module
1=Yellow/Green Collector 1 (OC1) Coil A
2=Yellow Base 1 (IB1) ECU pin 54
3=Black Ground
4=NC
5=Yellow/Red Base 2 (IB2) ECU pin 55
6=Yellow/Black Collector 2 (OC2) Coil B
And a different wiring for the 91+ Power Transistor Module
1=Yellow/Black Collector 1 (OC1) Coil B
2=Yellow/Red Base 1 (IB1) ECU pin 55
3=Black Ground
4=NC
5=White Tach Gate output ECU pin 109 and Gauge Cluster
6=Black/White +12 IG1 (Switched Battery Voltage)
7=Yellow Base 2 (IB2) ECU pin 54
8=Yellow/Green Collector 2 (OC2) Coil A
You'll note that the wire colors match but they switched which of the two transistors was used in the PTM.
The 90 gauge cluster is driven from the output of the noise filter. You need to retain it unless you swap to the later cluster. It should be bolted to the intake manifold somewhere.
The 91+ ECU should now get it's tach signal from pin 5 of the 91+ PTM.
Please its this correct i whant to change The ecu with 1994 1g and The power tr 6pin to 8 pin power tr 1g 1994
I believe your info is correct. There are some good write ups as well in doing this very swap.
Also I have a screen shot of the 91-94 ecu pin out at 11:19 in my wideband install video. th-cam.com/video/tiIsJ2X9WPQ/w-d-xo.html
@@SlippingTime hello... you cut The wire and what its w/B please? and where must to connect The cut wire? To pozitive 12 W, to coil plug? To power tr?
WOW! That's a lot of rust on that sending unit lol. Random question - have you ever considered picking up a 3000gt/stealth as a project? I own one and so far, a lot of the components look identical so the talon (eg. the whole fuel pump assembly, fuel pump tester, etc), which means I'm sure you won't have too hard of a time working on them.
I have many times looked at 3000gt/stealth projects along with many other cars too. We shall see what the future brings!
Hello what program do you use for diagnostic? I m from România and here i dont find noting please you ca-n help ME
It is pretty old from early 2000’s. A special cable has to be made for it too.
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I buy now a eagle talon esi 2.0 16v 1993 end The motor dont start i dont now what to do
I have my 1990 talon I want you to look at
What’s your location?
I am in California but I would ship it to you
Is this car by chance for sale very interested in buying it
As far as I know the owner is quite happy with the car and has more plans to make it new again. I don’t think he plans on selling it any time soon.
I bet that timing belt was screaming change me
Hey man I’m 18 years old and don’t have a whole lotta money how should I get into one of these?
Get some tools lol. Seriously though that is a tough question to answer for someone. If it makes sense for your situation and what you want then keep doing your research like you are to make an informed decision. Just remember all cars need some funds to keep them on the road generally so plan for that too.
If it is a dream car for you then planning can make it happen.
I just threw away a palm pilot with technomotive data logger on it.
It’s probably best to throw them out. I still have one in a box I can’t seem to throw out. 😀