Thank you for all of it including the lantern hanger! I have had success with several Coleman 200A lanterns with the original Coleman Fuel generators. I just remove the top nut, ventilator, and globe and preheat the generator with a little BBQ starter by holding the lantern almost horizontal for about two minutes. I can then turn the fuel valve and they light up and run just fine on Kerosene. So I call mine "Tr-Fuel" lanterns as they run on unlead gasoline, Coleman fuel, and Kerosene. Always snug the top nut for transportation and storage, but prior to lighting, loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn to avoid it getting too tight due to thermal expansion that leads to porcelain cracking and difficult nut removal once cooled.
When I was still a kid, we lived in the countryside without electricity and our light at night were 2 coleman singles that run on both kerosene and wood alcohol.
The best part of this, IMO, is that kerosene stores far better than gasoline. For those looking for sources for pre-heat cups other than buying them as such, your local auto parts store sells brass (or steel if you like) freeze plugs in assorted sizes for engine blocks
I originally bought the generator from OCP Old Coleman Parts. They do not list the generator any more for the 201 kerosene lantern. I saw this on Ebay www.ebay.com/itm/124206048327 Prices have doubled since I made this video.
Hafa Adai / Hello from Guam, USA 🇬🇺🌴🇺🇸 I just bought one at the Catholic Social Services thrift store...Coleman Powerhouse dual fuel...made in Nov 1991...got it for only $3
It using jet fuel, you should get the Jet-A version that does not have Prist (de-icing agent) in it. Prist can create harmful fumes, as well as some of the additives in military grade jet fuel (JP-8). If using a version with these additives, do so at your own risk and do so for outdoor use only.
u can use a motorcycle fuel line sqeeze clamp as a 'cup retaining clip', just get the right size by taking genertor to autoparts store. makes frame/gen removale MUCH easier
Thanks. I ran a kero and a CF 2 mantle the other night while camping. My wife says that the kero was brighter!Btw, the CF lantern conked out after about 4-5 hrs(ran out of pressure). The kero ran 12 hours with 1/4 tank left when I shut it off! It was dim and low on pressure but, running.
With the various skill level of people seeking the knowledge from this video I highly recommend that be considered first. Safety is no accident. Keep the pocket knife pocketed. Get a rat tail file and or a flat double cut bastard file. I'm a state licensed plumber. oxy/acetylene and silver solder brazing rod would be refrigeration or HVAC related. How many one handed people stood confused in the plumbing isle agitated already from pocket knife puncture wounds under dress🤔😆 They'd stay there longer than they should've wondering why that sandpaper is called Emory cloth not knowing that's the only actual plumbing item used in the video and keep looking thinking they gotta be close. Lol I appreciate your intent and don't mean to be too harsh. Safety and clarity of skill set level needed can't be over stated. In today's information age people think a 10 minute TH-cam video and they're ready to hang a state certification on their wall. Lol I've been called all hours of the day and handed handfuls of pieces parts assuring there's no missing parts here. No way.🙄 Hahaha
This conversion is very specific for someone like you that has several Coleman lanterns parts , most of us don't have extra generators or generator's tips laying around.
There is no need to change the tip out on a 220 double mantle lantern or make gigantic oversized preheat cups that bust your mantles. Buy a Coleman 201 preheat cup for your 200 or 220 lantern. Buy a 201 gen for your 200 single mantle lantern and you're done.
When I first started working in a packing house, it was before knives. we cut meat with spoons. we didn't have sharpening stones so we just sharpened them on the cement floor.🤣
I switched a Coleman 295 Dual fuel lantern to run on Kerosene .. I swapped the generator with a Colemen 639 unit which is a straight swop , no trouble .. it is ticking over very good
Question: The purpose of the alcohol pre-heater is to preheat the generator + air intake prior to opening the the kerosene valve and bringing the kerosene up to vapor temperature. You demonstrated you still get flame at the mantle head if you direct light with kerosene only. It is not pretty: Lots of smoke an all --- Will not the generator come up to kerosene vapor temperature eventually, smoke and all, even without the pre-heat cup? It might be brutal, and smokey, but most lanterns should work regardless of fuel: Once up to temp. Yes?
I went to Ace hardware today and the young lady said it was right over there. I looked and she pointed again. She was pointing at a huge gas generator. I only needed a Coleman 220E generator for a lantern. She did not know what a lantern was. Clinton, SC.
There is an easier way: Just mix some coleman fuel with the kerosene. About 15% to 25% Coleman fuel is enough. That is enough to get the fuel to ignite. It will start to burn brighter after the generator heats up from simply burning the fuel mix. I takes about one or two minutes. No changes to the lantern. You can do the same with a Coleman stove, but will work better if you put fuel right onto the burner plate and light it so that it can heat up the generator tube that passes over the burner plate.
What you say is true, however, it will eventually plug up the filter that is in the generators of many of these stoves and lamps that are made to burn "white gas"
believe it maybe kerosene will clog up the lanern generator, but I heard that high grade kerosene is cleaner than gasoline. PLUS, you can get old Coleman lanterns for $15.00 = less than a gallon of Coleman fuel. I used the Kerosene/Coleman mix almost every day for a year and a half and it us still running smooth.
A 50-50 mix of Coleman fuel to kerosene works well and you don't need a heating cup. I think you can use less Coleman fuel because you just need the Coleman fuel in the mix to get the lantern started. One the lantern is lighted, it heats the generator and the kerosene runs nice = burns brighter than Coleman fuel.
those filters are NOT stock on a 200 or 220....those filters are for DUALFUEL colemans becuase the auto gasoline is so tainted with additives. he has the wrong generators in those lanterns.
Ah...showing my age here but when I was a young'un the gas at the stations were essentially regular and ethyl. Which was lead containing just octane was higher for ethyl. The regular was reddish in color and smelled horrible. I suppose at some point the danger of lead was becoming an issue (ate my share of paint chips I'm sure). So, they came out with unleaded gas aka white gas. Talking the lead out made it clear. Coleman was quick to adopt that as a safer fuel, especially inside. After a few years I think they must have realized the lost revenue and came out with Coleman fuel and tried everything since then, to instill the idea that you should only use their Coleman fuel. I believe the Coleman fuel is some kind of naphtha based solution. Essentially I think the real conversions are dependent on 1) Where you can safely use it and 2) The orifice nozzle at the end of the generator as well as the vapor producing parts of the generator itself. It seems to me that it could be made to use most any combustible liquids if nothing gets clogged and it can be made to vaporize when starting up and running.
Typically you use denatured alcohol, but if the SHTF and you don’t have any isopropyl alcohol then you probably don’t have any medical supplies so you’re likely not going to survive anyway. My suggestion is to buy alcohol BEFORE the crisis so you have some when the crisis hits. That’s what preparedness is all about.
Nice Hack, I see so many Coleman units at garage sales it's not funny - they're usually the 228 models. So basically to modify the generator you need to add a pre-heat cup, strip the filter guts and replace the tip with a kerosene generator tip?
Kerosene is a lot safer then gasoline also. Gasoline can be a real fire hazard especially if the lanterns fuel tank/ cap develops a small air leak! I had one of these lanterns go up like the 4th of July on me years ago when the pump developed a very small air leak.
Has anyone trued burning diesel fuel in these? I use road diesel in some Dietz wick lanterns and it has much less smell than kerosene or Klean Heat. I don't want to ruin my Coleman 639 just yet so it only gets kerosene.
I think 🤔 this is great invention and the guy is awesome and I think 🤔 I would paint 🎨 it blue to match the color of kerosene jugs ..Just thinking 🤔 I wonder how it would work Blowing a mist of kerosene in to those mantels like the gasoline ⛽ lanterns ? Just incase someone did put the wrong fuel in it ? May wanna be in fire 🔥 safe area and like all inventions NEVER KNOW UNTIL TRYED AND THAT'S DOING THINGS IN THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE ? Good Job man
I suggest you get one of the mini torches that runs on Lighter Butane. Much easier and cheaper to use for soldering. I would also suggest that you purchase a Good one because the harbor freight ones just do not seem to hold up.
I am so used to using my OA rig for air conditioning repairs. Plus one on buying quality. The OA set up in the vid is 20 years old and still going strong. Victor brand. Only the gauges have been changed due to physical damage.
hello ok i was give n a generator chart and your 220 twin mantle was 8 thou of 1 inch before it was touched you dropped to 7 thou for conversion mine is also a twin mantle duel fuel but starts at 9 thou im just wondering am i dropping to much at 7 thou for conversion time will tell sir ? any one wants to know years later its been done and runs well on 7 thou conversion cheap and cheerful but a little bit more fumey smell its not bad
When burning kerosene, does it become possible to use the lantern indoors? I tried it with Coleman fuel and the smell was too much. Excellent video. Thank you for it.
It is a lot like a kerosene heater. You must get it burning really good before bringing it inside and turn it off outside. I would also very stronly CAUTION everyone about the DEADLY dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning. Get the FACTS! Make sure your area is well VENTED and NEVER sleep with a kerosene heater or coleman lantern on NEVER! I've run mine inside with no appreciable smell once it got going.
DO NOT USE A COLEMAN type lantern IN A HOUSE! pressurized fuel is just too volatile! use a deitz type lantern indoors, it s a more appropriate for indoor light output anyway.
You can also consider using an Alladin lantern indoors as it is not pressurized and the light output is much higher because of the mantle, than a Dietz. I have Dietz's, still use them where and when needed. They are dependable, and simple to use and maintain.
Will the kerosene generator fit all dual mantle lanterns? Edit: why not use 3/16th inch copper tubing for better fit? Edit 2: does the kerosene last longer than regular coleman fuel? If so, how much longer? Is it worth converting?
Fantastic video!!! Solved a huge problem for me!!! I think you can even go back to Coleman fuel by just changing the Generator, (and cleaning out the bowl, of course.) Can you share what type of welrod (welding rod) you used on those burner cups? Did you say Staycil 5% rod?
I have 2 Coleman lanterns - 1 double mantel and 1 single mantel - have not used them in several years as I could not find "white" gas and a can of Coleman gas was too expensive. I use Ethanol Free gas in all my lawn equipment - (I do not know if Ethanol Free gas is "lead free" or not but Can I use Ethanol free gas in my lanterns? I do know it is higher "octane gas"
@@rodneymiller5926 Check out this site. It doesn't show what size the 639 tip is but it does show the 237 tip is 005 smaller than the 295 tip. Kerosene always uses a smaller tip than it's gasoline counterparts. To make a 295 burn kero you will need a 639 gen, preheat cup, and 639 fuel pickup tube. light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/Coleman_technical/ColemanGenerators/Generator%20Gas%20Tip%20Sizes%20Feb%2020%202009.htm
Yes. Look for a Coleman 201 preheat cup. It will fit both lanterns. If you have a 200A red single mantle lantern you will need a 201 generator. If you have a 220 double mantle lantern you don't have to swap the tips. Just pull the cardboard sleeve out.
The Coleman model #639 is their factory-made kerosene lantern. You can look for one if you don’t want to do a conversion; however, the price seems to have risen quite a bit since the 2020 election.
I think the idea is that kerosene is much safer to burn indoors. In the event of a leak it is extremely less volatile. I would use one of these inside a tent or indoors burning kerosene, but wouldn't be comfortable with white gas. Also this is by no means permanent. Keep the old generator tube or tip, and leave it in the lantern box. With a few simple tools you could run either fuel by simply swapping parts.
I dont make the cups for liability reasons but, if you go to www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj9q_HFhbvRAhVF5SYKHZhxD18QFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldcolemanparts.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNG6bApNbWnA8x2pNMCV3qXyAPBxcg&sig2=M-FXUvQPw7YA_3CMgwiKJg they can help you.
It depends on where you get it. I saw it for 80 cents more per gallon than gasoline at the pump in Burnsville, NC back in October, 2016. Jet A which is kerosene is selling for $3 per gallon at an airport near me, gasoline as of 2/1/2017 is $2.15 per gallon. Hardly 2x as expensive in my area. I also picked up 15 gallons of good quality kero of of craigslist a while back fior FREE! A family member wants me to take @ 35 gallons for free from their old tank and get rid of it as well. Also, my converted kero lanterns seem to run longer than the ones that use Coleman fuel.
Jet A, if you can get it is a lot cheaper than K1 Kerosene. Also no road tax on jet fuel. Bigger problem with using regular gasoline in the gas lanterns are all of the darn additives as well as the ethanol they add to the mix. Colman fuel is pure gasoline and in Europe I use what they commonly call white benzine that is available as a cleaning fluid in home goods stores, a bit more expensive at around €1.50 for a 450ml (16oz) bottle. I've been running my Coleman's on it for about ten years now, no problem.
@@Subgunman i was doing a research a while ago for fuel alternatives for my hand warmer,and it came out that in my country there is a stain remover for clothes and is called avio(like aviation) gasoline, in pharmacies is called exane, goes by the name of naphta in the us, here in italy is called acqua ragia, a paint solvant witch due to additives added, unfortunately is not very flammable
The 200a generator can be found here: www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=63&cat=&page=1 The cup here : www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=3358&cat=&page=1 The kerosene generator for the small coleman lanertn 201 : www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=69&cat=&page=1
I was thinking that, then I thought about it, the 200a is single mantle but he's using it in a double mantle lamp so effectively reducing the jet size which he knows from experience works with Paraffin( Kerosene if you're a yank)
People have "reasons" to do this. IMO there is no legitimate reason to do it and if/when I find one of these at a flea market or garage sale, my #1 priority will be to FIX it by converting it back to the way it is supposed to be. And btw, any normal Coleman lantern can run on pump gas if that's all that can be had at the moment. In fact, you can use that exclusively IF that's what you want. th-cam.com/video/Qgd78quIrBw/w-d-xo.html
That is a very generous offer but, if you go to www.oldcolemanparts.com/ they have the real deal for the brass burner cups. If memory serves, I think they were @ $ 8 bucks or so last time I checked. Those 228 and 220 lanterns are going for some big bucks on ebay and craigslist right now. The market is hot.
homesteadprepper I both many parts and cups from Mike. Great place. I just will order more from him. I font sell lanterns often but rather trade them. I have converted several 242, 200a, 228 & 220's. For me kerosene is my fuel of choice for safety reasons. Anyway great video and thanks.
19DHooah You need a 200a #6 tip and cleaning needle. Wire wrap or bronze wool instead of the white tube inside the generator and a preheat cup. I pull the needle out the pickup tube. Some start to pulse if its left in. Some people have no issues with it. I solder a strait larger diameter pickup tube to the valve.
you see my problem is i want the best of both worlds incase its to smelly as gas is cleaner but i am also not going to want to buy 2 lamps incase the wife starts to cry yes you guessed it its just a new toy for me also would like new stuff but not sure if all is compatable for conversion
still bit confused so the 200a tip that ran on colman fuel goes on the 220 to run kerosene yes ? and i thaught the 201 genarater was the kerosene one to fit the 200a im still learning lol
ok we are now running on kero on my 295 twin duelfuel mantle tho i stripped genarator out to see if i could remove filter inner but i did not know if i needed to remove tip to do it as i dont want filter to block but point is i feel 1000000% more safe im not use gas or petrol as we say here its a bit flickery but i guess its the gas filter needs removed or a better fuel air mix but we are getting there sir regards and thanks for your patients with me
@@rodneymiller5926 thank you i shall give it a stab you would also be better to have proper male female brake ends and drill bottle hole for total leak free seal not just a hole and pipe safety first an all that but great idea sir
im going to ask another silly question here is twin mantle or single better meaning do i have to light both mantles ?? say one burns out can i still run it ? or is there no way to shut the feed of
No such thing as a silly question, only silly answers. You could experiment with changing from a two mantle to a one mantle but, I would not recommend it. My recommendation is to find the one you want "used" or buy new and go from their. These lanterns are still wildly available at garage sales and flea markets for $10 and less. This will change in the future and the price will go up as they become "collectable". Get 'em while they are cheap!
im a man of my word sir baught a new gas/petrol twin mantle coleman this morning now i pray she will the 214 genarator or kerosene injector as we say here
Scowler No. It’s actually gasoline. It’s unleaded gasoline that is more pure because it lacks and all detergents and other additives in automotive fuel.
Hello! Is it possible to just buy a kerosene generator and put it on the "Coleman fuel" lantern? Or will they not fit if its not specified for your model?
Been fixing lanterns for years. Do not know of any factory produced kero generators for the 220 model. the conversion you did with 200 tip is the accepted and proven way to run kerosene in a 220/228 model.
Gas station gasoline has a lot of additives that will gum up the generator. You’re better off burning coleman fuel (white gas) unless you have the dual fuel generator in your lantern.
So, you put just the 200 generator tip onto a 220 generator, right? I don't have an parts to a 200. I need the 200 tip for this conversation, right? Or might there be another method? thanks!!!
You could go old school, solder the tip you have and drill it out to the right diameter. That's what we use to do back in the day to re-jet a carburetor.
My recollection is that on one of the 200s the flame just got bigger and threw out a lot of black smoke. To be fair, there was no pre heater cup installed at that time. I know that on a newer duel fuel, kero will work without modifications if you pre heat the generator enough before lighting. If you get to try yours, let us know, thanks.
BTW White Gas simply means "unleaded." There was a time tetra ethyl lead was added to gasoline to leave a lead deposit on the valve seats to keep them from wearing down. Today valve seats are made of tungsten carbide or similar material. All gasoline today is unleaded "white" gas.
All Coleman fuel is ,it's white gas which is unleaded gasoline , I been working on lanterns for many years , just about fix anything wrong with them if u know what ur doing
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Thank you for all of it including the lantern hanger! I have had success with several Coleman 200A lanterns with the original Coleman Fuel generators. I just remove the top nut, ventilator, and globe and preheat the generator with a little BBQ starter by holding the lantern almost horizontal for about two minutes. I can then turn the fuel valve and they light up and run just fine on Kerosene. So I call mine "Tr-Fuel" lanterns as they run on unlead gasoline, Coleman fuel, and Kerosene.
Always snug the top nut for transportation and storage, but prior to lighting, loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn to avoid it getting too tight due to thermal expansion that leads to porcelain cracking and difficult nut removal once cooled.
When I was still a kid, we lived in the countryside without electricity and our light at night were 2 coleman singles that run on both kerosene and wood alcohol.
The best part of this, IMO, is that kerosene stores far better than gasoline. For those looking for sources for pre-heat cups other than buying them as such, your local auto parts store sells brass (or steel if you like) freeze plugs in assorted sizes for engine blocks
Amish made parts for lanterns are on ebay
I originally bought the generator from OCP Old Coleman Parts. They do not list the generator any more for the 201 kerosene lantern. I saw this on Ebay www.ebay.com/itm/124206048327
Prices have doubled since I made this video.
Hafa Adai / Hello from Guam, USA
🇬🇺🌴🇺🇸
I just bought one at the Catholic Social Services thrift store...Coleman Powerhouse dual fuel...made in Nov 1991...got it for only $3
It using jet fuel, you should get the Jet-A version that does not have Prist (de-icing agent) in it. Prist can create harmful fumes, as well as some of the additives in military grade jet fuel (JP-8). If using a version with these additives, do so at your own risk and do so for outdoor use only.
thanks for that info... I did not know they could be converted.
Thank you.
u can use a motorcycle fuel line sqeeze clamp as a 'cup retaining clip', just get the right size by taking genertor to autoparts store. makes frame/gen removale MUCH easier
Nice Mod! that thing throws some bright light!
Thanks. I ran a kero and a CF 2 mantle the other night while camping. My wife says that the kero was brighter!Btw, the CF lantern conked out after about 4-5 hrs(ran out of pressure). The kero ran 12 hours with 1/4 tank left when I shut it off! It was dim and low on pressure but, running.
With the various skill level of people seeking the knowledge from this video I highly recommend that be considered first.
Safety is no accident. Keep the pocket knife pocketed. Get a rat tail file and or a flat double cut bastard file. I'm a state licensed plumber. oxy/acetylene and silver solder brazing rod would be refrigeration or HVAC related. How many one handed people stood confused in the plumbing isle agitated already from pocket knife puncture wounds under dress🤔😆
They'd stay there longer than they should've wondering why that sandpaper is called Emory cloth not knowing that's the only actual plumbing item used in the video and keep looking thinking they gotta be close. Lol
I appreciate your intent and don't mean to be too harsh.
Safety and clarity of skill set level needed can't be over stated. In today's information age people think a 10 minute TH-cam video and they're ready to hang a state certification on their wall. Lol
I've been called all hours of the day and handed handfuls of pieces parts assuring there's no missing parts here. No way.🙄 Hahaha
This conversion is very specific for someone like you that has several Coleman lanterns parts , most of us don't have extra generators or generator's tips laying around.
Mad Camel ...is a Mad Camel
There is no need to change the tip out on a 220 double mantle lantern or make gigantic oversized preheat cups that bust your mantles. Buy a Coleman 201 preheat cup for your 200 or 220 lantern. Buy a 201 gen for your 200 single mantle lantern and you're done.
7:25 Clean out the ruff edges in the drilled hole to with a bigger drillbit
Right? Man that was cringeworthy.
When I first started working in a packing house, it was before knives. we cut meat with spoons. we didn't have sharpening stones so we just sharpened them on the cement floor.🤣
I switched a Coleman 295 Dual fuel lantern to run on Kerosene .. I swapped the generator with a Colemen 639 unit which is a straight swop , no trouble .. it is ticking over very good
Cool subject!
Really informative!
Question: The purpose of the alcohol pre-heater is to preheat the generator + air intake prior to opening the the kerosene valve and bringing the kerosene up to vapor temperature. You demonstrated you still get flame at the mantle head if you direct light with kerosene only. It is not pretty: Lots of smoke an all --- Will not the generator come up to kerosene vapor temperature eventually, smoke and all, even without the pre-heat cup? It might be brutal, and smokey, but most lanterns should work regardless of fuel: Once up to temp. Yes?
I went to Ace hardware today and the young lady said it was right over there. I looked and she pointed again. She was pointing at a huge gas generator. I only needed a Coleman 220E generator for a lantern. She did not know what a lantern was. Clinton, SC.
Lol... I guess she's not a camper.
There is an easier way: Just mix some coleman fuel with the kerosene. About 15% to 25% Coleman fuel is enough. That is enough to get the fuel to ignite. It will start to burn brighter after the generator heats up from simply burning the fuel mix. I takes about one or two minutes. No changes to the lantern. You can do the same with a Coleman stove, but will work better if you put fuel right onto the burner plate and light it so that it can heat up the generator tube that passes over the burner plate.
What you say is true, however, it will eventually plug up the filter that is in the generators of many of these stoves and lamps that are made to burn "white gas"
believe it maybe kerosene will clog up the lanern generator, but I heard that high grade kerosene is cleaner than gasoline. PLUS, you can get old Coleman lanterns for $15.00 = less than a gallon of Coleman fuel. I used the Kerosene/Coleman mix almost every day for a year and a half and it us still running smooth.
A 50-50 mix of Coleman fuel to kerosene works well and you don't need a heating cup. I think you can use less Coleman fuel because you just need the Coleman fuel in the mix to get the lantern started. One the lantern is lighted, it heats the generator and the kerosene runs nice = burns brighter than Coleman fuel.
those filters are NOT stock on a 200 or 220....those filters are for DUALFUEL colemans becuase the auto gasoline is so tainted with additives. he has the wrong generators in those lanterns.
Nice job , I'm going to try this thank you !
Try a case neck deburring tool to clean up those sections of copper pipe, works really fast!
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I like the shepherds hook idea I did that with my gas lantern to
Ah...showing my age here but when I was a young'un the gas at the stations were essentially regular and ethyl. Which was lead containing just octane was higher for ethyl. The regular was reddish in color and smelled horrible. I suppose at some point the danger of lead was becoming an issue (ate my share of paint chips I'm sure). So, they came out with unleaded gas aka white gas. Talking the lead out made it clear. Coleman was quick to adopt that as a safer fuel, especially inside. After a few years I think they must have realized the lost revenue and came out with Coleman fuel and tried everything since then, to instill the idea that you should only use their Coleman fuel. I believe the Coleman fuel is some kind of naphtha based solution. Essentially I think the real conversions are dependent on 1) Where you can safely use it and 2) The orifice nozzle at the end of the generator as well as the vapor producing parts of the generator itself. It seems to me that it could be made to use most any combustible liquids if nothing gets clogged and it can be made to vaporize when starting up and running.
Thank, another great tip.
Thank you for always being so kind!
So in a crisis we have abundant kerosene, but where we gonna get alcohol? Make moonshine? Lol
Typically you use denatured alcohol, but if the SHTF and you don’t have any isopropyl alcohol then you probably don’t have any medical supplies so you’re likely not going to survive anyway.
My suggestion is to buy alcohol BEFORE the crisis so you have some when the crisis hits. That’s what preparedness is all about.
Nice Hack, I see so many Coleman units at garage sales it's not funny - they're usually the 228 models. So basically to modify the generator you need to add a pre-heat cup, strip the filter guts and replace the tip with a kerosene generator tip?
I haven't tried modifying a 228 yet.
Your synopsys is correct!
Is the kero tip bigger or smaller? Trying to figure out if modify the tip is viable. I have acsess to machinery.
Kerosene is a lot safer then gasoline also. Gasoline can be a real fire hazard especially if the lanterns fuel tank/ cap develops a small air leak! I had one of these lanterns go up like the 4th of July on me years ago when the pump developed a very small air leak.
Nice job !
Thanks.
It would be nice to have a side-by-side comparison to the gas in the kerosene
Has anyone trued burning diesel fuel in these? I use road diesel in some Dietz wick lanterns and it has much less smell than kerosene or Klean Heat. I don't want to ruin my Coleman 639 just yet so it only gets kerosene.
your tip is clogged that's why it went out...look at your flame, you hear it spitting...use a tip cleaner man...
I think 🤔 this is great invention and the guy is awesome and I think 🤔 I would paint 🎨 it blue to match the color of kerosene jugs ..Just thinking 🤔 I wonder how it would work Blowing a mist of kerosene in to those mantels like the gasoline ⛽ lanterns ? Just incase someone did put the wrong fuel in it ? May wanna be in fire 🔥 safe area and like all inventions NEVER KNOW UNTIL TRYED AND THAT'S DOING THINGS IN THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE ? Good Job man
I suggest you get one of the mini torches that runs on Lighter Butane. Much easier and cheaper to use for soldering. I would also suggest that you purchase a Good one because the harbor freight ones just do not seem to hold up.
I am so used to using my OA rig for air conditioning repairs. Plus one on buying quality. The OA set up in the vid is 20 years old and still going strong. Victor brand. Only the gauges have been changed due to physical damage.
You can clean the generators.
hello ok i was give n a generator chart and your 220 twin mantle was 8 thou of 1 inch before it was touched you dropped to 7 thou for conversion mine is also a twin mantle duel fuel but starts at 9 thou im just wondering am i dropping to much at 7 thou for conversion time will tell sir ? any one wants to know years later its been done and runs well on 7 thou conversion cheap and cheerful but a little bit more fumey smell its not bad
Pre 1950 Colman's came with a kerosene cup it was more flat but similar.!!
When burning kerosene, does it become possible to use the lantern indoors? I tried it with Coleman fuel and the smell was too much. Excellent video. Thank you for it.
It is a lot like a kerosene heater. You must get it burning really good before bringing it inside and turn it off outside. I would also very stronly CAUTION everyone about the DEADLY dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning. Get the FACTS! Make sure your area is well VENTED and NEVER sleep with a kerosene heater or coleman lantern on NEVER!
I've run mine inside with no appreciable smell once it got going.
DO NOT USE A COLEMAN type lantern IN A HOUSE! pressurized fuel is just too volatile! use a deitz type lantern indoors, it s a more appropriate for indoor light output anyway.
You can also consider using an Alladin lantern indoors as it is not pressurized and the light output is much higher because of the mantle, than a Dietz. I have Dietz's, still use them where and when needed. They are dependable, and simple to use and maintain.
Will the kerosene generator fit all dual mantle lanterns?
Edit: why not use 3/16th inch copper tubing for better fit?
Edit 2: does the kerosene last longer than regular coleman fuel?
If so, how much longer?
Is it worth converting?
Fantastic video!!! Solved a huge problem for me!!!
I think you can even go back to Coleman fuel by just changing the Generator, (and cleaning out the bowl, of course.)
Can you share what type of welrod (welding rod) you used on those burner cups?
Did you say Staycil 5% rod?
Stay-Silv® 5. Description: Medium-silver PhosCopper Brazing Alloy. A 15% rod would work too. You can get them at an A/C supply.
I have 2 Coleman lanterns - 1 double mantel and 1 single mantel - have not used them in several years as I could not find "white" gas and a can of Coleman gas was too expensive. I use Ethanol Free gas in all my lawn equipment - (I do not know if Ethanol Free gas is "lead free" or not but Can I use Ethanol free gas in my lanterns? I do know it is higher "octane gas"
Wouldn't it be better to _braze_ the *copper cup* instead of _soldering?_
That looked like silver braze he was using. Solder would melt in a minute.
faffaflunkie that was brazed
They call it silver solder, but it's really brazing!
Hello; which Generator (for Kerosene) I can use for the Powerhouse Coleman 295-700 to use with Kerosene (Jet-A1)? best wishs Harald CH
Put a 639 gen in it along with a 639 preheat cup
@@joshuaharrington6094 What is the orifice diameter on a 630 generator? What is the orifice diameter on a stock coleman gas type generator? Thank you
@@rodneymiller5926 Check out this site. It doesn't show what size the 639 tip is but it does show the 237 tip is 005 smaller than the 295 tip. Kerosene always uses a smaller tip than it's gasoline counterparts. To make a 295 burn kero you will need a 639 gen, preheat cup, and 639 fuel pickup tube.
light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/Coleman_technical/ColemanGenerators/Generator%20Gas%20Tip%20Sizes%20Feb%2020%202009.htm
@@joshuaharrington6094 Excellent! Exactly the perfect info i was searching for. I thank you thank you thank you very much!
@@rodneymiller5926 Glad I could help bud
What is the part number for the 200/200A Kerosine generator you purchased for the Red Coleman fuel lantern?
I'm not good at making things. My ? is can these thing be purchased?
Francis McClaughry yes, send me your lantern and I’ll convert it
Yes. Look for a Coleman 201 preheat cup. It will fit both lanterns. If you have a 200A red single mantle lantern you will need a 201 generator. If you have a 220 double mantle lantern you don't have to swap the tips. Just pull the cardboard sleeve out.
The Coleman model #639 is their factory-made kerosene lantern. You can look for one if you don’t want to do a conversion; however, the price seems to have risen quite a bit since the 2020 election.
You think Jet-A is gonna be more available at the end of the world than unleaded gasoline? Personally I have one of each but I'm just wondering.
I think the idea is that kerosene is much safer to burn indoors. In the event of a leak it is extremely less volatile. I would use one of these inside a tent or indoors burning kerosene, but wouldn't be comfortable with white gas. Also this is by no means permanent. Keep the old generator tube or tip, and leave it in the lantern box. With a few simple tools you could run either fuel by simply swapping parts.
My lantern works on almost every gases
Great video! I need 2 cups. Don't have the tools to make it. Do you sell the preheater cups?
I dont make the cups for liability reasons but, if you go to www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj9q_HFhbvRAhVF5SYKHZhxD18QFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldcolemanparts.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNG6bApNbWnA8x2pNMCV3qXyAPBxcg&sig2=M-FXUvQPw7YA_3CMgwiKJg they can help you.
Oldcolemanparts.com sells them
We run them on gasoline
Where can I get the conversion kit generator and cup for my Coleman lanterns?
It is never less expensive to use kero. It is twice as much as gas.
It depends on where you get it. I saw it for 80 cents more per gallon than gasoline at the pump in Burnsville, NC back in October, 2016.
Jet A which is kerosene is selling for $3 per gallon at an airport near me, gasoline as of 2/1/2017 is $2.15 per gallon.
Hardly 2x as expensive in my area.
I also picked up 15 gallons of good quality kero of of craigslist a while back fior FREE!
A family member wants me to take @ 35 gallons for free from their old tank and get rid of it as well.
Also, my converted kero lanterns seem to run longer than the ones that use Coleman fuel.
Jet A, if you can get it is a lot cheaper than K1 Kerosene. Also no road tax on jet fuel. Bigger problem with using regular gasoline in the gas lanterns are all of the darn additives as well as the ethanol they add to the mix. Colman fuel is pure gasoline and in Europe I use what they commonly call white benzine that is available as a cleaning fluid in home goods stores, a bit more expensive at around €1.50 for a 450ml (16oz) bottle. I've been running my Coleman's on it for about ten years now, no problem.
@@Subgunman i was doing a research a while ago for fuel alternatives for my hand warmer,and it came out that in my country there is a stain remover for clothes and is called avio(like aviation) gasoline, in pharmacies is called exane, goes by the name of naphta in the us, here in italy is called acqua ragia, a paint solvant witch due to additives added, unfortunately is not very flammable
Hello good afternoon. What kind of Coleman lantern you have convert to Jet-A1 in this video? best wishs Harald
Where would you get that little piece that you put on the generator if you don't happen to have that old lantern laying around?
The 200a generator can be found here: www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=63&cat=&page=1
The cup here : www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=3358&cat=&page=1
The kerosene generator for the small coleman lanertn 201 : www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=69&cat=&page=1
You said you swapped the tip of 200A to 220J. but isn't 200A a gas lantern. So you put a gas tip instead of kerosene?
I was thinking that, then I thought about it, the 200a is single mantle but he's using it in a double mantle lamp so effectively reducing the jet size which he knows from experience works with Paraffin( Kerosene if you're a yank)
Nice job
This guy just ruined three highly collectible lanterns
Will this conversion also burn the lamp oil that is sold in the little quart bottles?
I've never tried it.
Once converted will it still run on coleman fuel?
People have "reasons" to do this. IMO there is no legitimate reason to do it and if/when I find one of these at a flea market or garage sale, my #1 priority will be to FIX it by converting it back to the way it is supposed to be. And btw, any normal Coleman lantern can run on pump gas if that's all that can be had at the moment. In fact, you can use that exclusively IF that's what you want. th-cam.com/video/Qgd78quIrBw/w-d-xo.html
Send it Coleman for $55 last I checked and they’ll rebuild your Coleman lantern
I can't get the 200A to burn right......
Does the 200A have to be started with the globe off if it's converted????
If you have an alcohol bottle then you can just put it through the matchhole
I saw where someone has asked about a 228 changeover to kerosene. you haven't by chance had a chance to try that yet have you?
Not yet. You might have to buy a correct kerosene generator for it?
228 is the same as a 220, just a wider vent to shine the light down more than out.
25--35?? gasoline add mix kerosene
Try without pre heat cup .
I'd trade a lantern or 2 for some preheat cups if your interested.
I got a bunch of nice 228 and 220 lanterns.
That is a very generous offer but, if you go to www.oldcolemanparts.com/ they have the real deal for the brass burner cups. If memory serves, I think they were @ $ 8 bucks or so last time I checked.
Those 228 and 220 lanterns are going for some big bucks on ebay and craigslist right now. The market is hot.
homesteadprepper
I both many parts and cups from Mike. Great place. I just will order more from him. I font sell lanterns often but rather trade them. I have converted several 242, 200a, 228 & 220's. For me kerosene is my fuel of choice for safety reasons. Anyway great video and thanks.
Angry Daddy Bird, what do you use to change a 228 over to kerosene?
19DHooah
You need a 200a #6 tip and cleaning needle. Wire wrap or bronze wool instead of the white tube inside the generator and a preheat cup. I pull the needle out the pickup tube. Some start to pulse if its left in. Some people have no issues with it. I solder a strait larger diameter pickup tube to the valve.
19DHooah
228 and 220 are both converted the same way
you see my problem is i want the best of both worlds incase its to smelly as gas is cleaner but i am also not going to want to buy 2 lamps incase the wife starts to cry yes you guessed it its just a new toy for me also would like new stuff but not sure if all is compatable for conversion
still bit confused so the 200a tip that ran on colman fuel goes on the 220 to run kerosene yes ? and i thaught the 201 genarater was the kerosene one to fit the 200a im still learning lol
New 201 generator in 200 lantern. Old tip out of 200 goes on 220 for kero.
ok we are now running on kero on my 295 twin duelfuel mantle tho i stripped genarator out to see if i could remove filter inner but i did not know if i needed to remove tip to do it as i dont want filter to block but point is i feel 1000000% more safe im not use gas or petrol as we say here its a bit flickery but i guess its the gas filter needs removed or a better fuel air mix but we are getting there sir regards and thanks for your patients with me
Good job!
Its obvious that that oxy/acetylene tip is clogged bad.
That's why it worked so well and I was able to braze the cup in such a professional manner.
does anyone know where i can buy the little bottle with the 45 degree angle to safely fill primers i made today
use a chunk of copper or steel brake line and make one
@@rodneymiller5926 thank you i shall give it a stab you would also be better to have proper male female brake ends and drill bottle hole for total leak free seal not just a hole and pipe safety first an all that but great idea sir
im going to ask another silly question here is twin mantle or single better meaning do i have to light both mantles ?? say one burns out can i still run it ? or is there no way to shut the feed of
No such thing as a silly question, only silly answers.
You could experiment with changing from a two mantle to a one mantle but, I would not recommend it.
My recommendation is to find the one you want "used" or buy new and go from their.
These lanterns are still wildly available at garage sales and flea markets for $10 and less. This will change in the future and the price will go up as they become "collectable".
Get 'em while they are cheap!
im a man of my word sir baught a new gas/petrol twin mantle coleman this morning now i pray she will the 214 genarator or kerosene injector as we say here
I believe the new duel fuel lanterns will run on kero with no modification other than you have to preheat the generator to get it going.
all is clear now sir after 2 days lol thankyou
homesteadprepper can you tell me about the reliability of running the newer dual-fuel on kerosene really like your ideas gas, Coleman ,kerosene
The U.S. Army had lanterns with preheater cups! Sooooo ummmm nuttin new here!
The point of your comment is?
What if mine runs on gasoline?
Leave it running on gasoline. It's much easier to find gas than to find kerosene or JetA!
Isn't the Coleman brand fuel just Lighter Fluid, though?
Scowler
No. It’s actually gasoline. It’s unleaded gasoline that is more pure because it lacks and all detergents and other additives in automotive fuel.
Naphtha
Hello! Is it possible to just buy a kerosene generator and put it on the "Coleman fuel" lantern? Or will they not fit if its not specified for your model?
I'm sure there is but, I do not know the part #. Try this man's vid th-cam.com/video/ifpvKE-2Uxk/w-d-xo.html
Been fixing lanterns for years. Do not know of any factory produced kero generators for the 220 model. the conversion you did with 200 tip is the accepted and proven way to run kerosene in a 220/228 model.
What size are the copper end cap ,copper pipe and the generator jet?
That’s Bs because you can use regular gas in Coleman Lanterns and it will not hurt it
Gas station gasoline has a lot of additives that will gum up the generator. You’re better off burning coleman fuel (white gas) unless you have the dual fuel generator in your lantern.
just use a deburing tool...much easier...
What size copper cap?
One inch.
Thanks!
So, you put just the 200 generator tip onto a 220 generator, right? I don't have an parts to a 200. I need the 200 tip for this conversation, right? Or might there be another method?
thanks!!!
Or will any single mantle generator tip work?
You could go old school, solder the tip you have and drill it out to the right diameter.
That's what we use to do back in the day to re-jet a carburetor.
Yeah, that's what I think I'll do! Maybe go a drill-bit or two sizes smaller...
My recollection is that on one of the 200s the flame just got bigger and threw out a lot of black smoke.
To be fair, there was no pre heater cup installed at that time. I know that on a newer duel fuel, kero will work without modifications if you pre heat the generator enough before lighting.
If you get to try yours, let us know, thanks.
Or ya could just buy unleaded from your gas station and burn it with no conversions required...
This is true but, gasoline will shorten the life of the generator. Coleman fuel and kero will allow the lantern to last much longer.
man get some better tools....tighten your vise....what a hack job... you did ok but get some good cutting tools...
Can you use Coleman fuel in a kerosene lantern?
"coleman fuel" is gasoline= if you will see how a lantern explode, yes...never put gasoline in a kerosene lantern...
BTW White Gas simply means "unleaded." There was a time tetra ethyl lead was added to gasoline to leave a lead deposit
on the valve seats to keep them from wearing down. Today valve seats are made of tungsten carbide or similar material.
All gasoline today is unleaded "white" gas.
All Coleman fuel is ,it's white gas which is unleaded gasoline , I been working on lanterns for many years , just about fix anything wrong with them if u know what ur doing
Best way is to throw Coleman in the bin and buy a Tilley