How a Coleman Lamp, Lantern and Stove Works - Theory of Operation Part 2 - From Gas to Gas
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- Part #2 - Coleman Factory Warranty Center graduate and longtime collector / enthusiast Frank Bebb provides a layman’s explanation of how a Coleman lamp, lantern and stove works, continuing with Part 2: From Gas to Gas. This video is based on the original “Theory of Operation” course that he wrote nearly 20 years ago and that can still be found at www.oldtowncoleman.com
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Old Town Coleman Intro
2:28 - Coleman Vase Lamp 150R, AGM P66 Lamp, Kerosene Lantern 237 Show & Tell
2:35 - Using the Coleman Generator and Fuel and Air Tube to Find Gas
3:00 - Preheating a Coleman Generator with Pans, Cups and Torches
4:18 - Preheating a Coleman Generator with Matches means Quick Lite
5:28 - Preheating Not Required: The Coleman Instant Lite System
6:41 - How a Coleman Fuel and Air Tube Works
8:12 - How the Coleman Instant Lite System Works
9:27 - What Does a Coleman Generator do?
10:02 - What is inside of a Coleman Generator?
11:01 - What does a Coleman Tip Cleaner do?
12:31 - Coleman Generator Output: Hot vs Cold
12:45 - Lighting a Coleman Generator when cold
13:35 - Coleman Lantern or Stove Burning Gasoline that is not vaporized
13:58 - Lighting a Coleman Generator when hot
14:34 - Coleman Lantern or Stove Burning Vaporized Gasoline
15:01 - How to Operate a Coleman Lamp or Lantern Tip Cleaner and Fuel / Air Tube
15:37 - How to Operate a Coleman Stove Tip Cleaner and Fuel / Air Tube
15:58 - How does a Valve Stem or Tip Cleaner Stem Packing Work?
17:10 - Old Town Coleman Outro - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
These "theory" videos have definitely improved my understanding of how Coleman devices work. This knowledge is valuable when it comes to repairing our beloved camping products. Thank you for taking the time to put these together. I think people will be referring to these videos for years to come.
That is very satisfying to hear--thank you. A solid understanding really does help answer a lot of questions.
Had to watch this twice I was distracted at the end when the cougar walked behind your shop.
Every since Boy Scouts in the early seventies I fell in love with every product The Coleman company made . You most definitely know what your doing. I use my old lanterns, stove, oven and heater along with my canvas tent when we camp . Fellow campers stop and visit by the fire. We remember the good ole days while my wife watches tv in the camper .
Awesome comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I went to the BSA National Jamboree in 1973--and used Coleman stuff there!
This is the best description of these I've seen. I wanna build a fuel vaporizer for an engine. As a kid I'd look at these , and wander if it would work by running the exhaust gasses over a generator, scaled up of course
I love your intro with the lamp lighting that face is priceless with music! 🤙🏻💯 new sub
This series is over the top fantastic! Thank you. I am giving my best 220F to my daughter (an engineer) for Christmas this year that I rebuilt and purchased parts from you way back. I am going to send her a link to this series so she will know how her lantern works. So while enjoying that wonderful "hisss" we all know and love so well, her brain will be able to see what is happening. Thank you so very much for this series.
Very good presentation thankyou so much sir.I always enjoy your exhibits.you are most knowledgeable. 😊
The best stove explanation I’ve ever seen on TH-cam.
First of all, I want to thank you for your effort making all the educational videos about Coleman lanterns. Since you have so many unique Coleman lanterns it would be nice if you could introduce some of the unique ones in your furture videos. Thank you again.
I would love to see you do an analysis of the Coleman M1950 military stove - Vietnam era. I have a couple of them and they are awesome. They look like little moon landers with their folding legs and fold out pot supports. As you know, they were made by various companies, including Coleman.
Again...truly appreciated. These are great videos and they have been sorely needs for some time.
Thank you, again, very much!
Frank, I could listen to you read the phone book. You really know your stuff, and you are a great educator! Thanks for sharing your expertise. You are helping keep the Coleman legacy alive! Your videos and sage teaching will last forever!
I remember my daddy buying a Coleman lantern. It was so bright compared to our regular kerosene lamps. I didn’t realize how complex they were. Thank you for taking time to explain them. Now on to part 3. I can’t wait to learn about the mantle’s and what they are made of and why they don’t burn up.
Thank you to have this video experiment how generator works.
My pleasure Jeff.
Cascade Lake, Idaho. early 1960's My late dad teaching us kids how to use a Coleman lantern and stove. Now I am watching and finding out how that stuff happened. I still have one Coleman. Jan 61 200A Original box. Great explanation.
These videos you have put out are definitely the most advanced of operation and repair of all Coleman videos have repaired all my stoves and lanterns that were my dads firing them up reminds me of him in hunting camp.
Glad I could help Curt. Memories of our fathers and Coleman is one big part of why I want to preserve them.
Love to see your whole collection
A little more coming in Part 3. I am going to start tracking down collectors to film what they have gathered. At one time my collection was massive but now I'm satisfied with a smaller collection of lamps...
That’s the same way I use to heat the thermocouple on a propane heater or patio heater. Great explanation of operation. I continue to learn a lot from your channel.
Bless you and your family for taking the time to continue to teach us.
My pleasure Kim, thank you and take care.
Thank you very much! This gave me a really good insight in to the internal operations. GREAT video!!
Thank you Mark!
Outstanding Sir!! Enjoyed video from start to finish!! Thank you 👍
My pleasure David, glad you liked it!
Wow! Very clear communication. Excellent treatise. Thank you so much!
Another very well explained tutorial thank you brother!
My pleasure and thank you!
I have 4 Colman stoves all vintage. Just got a 5th at a flee market new in the box , never used for 20 bucks . All.5 are from the early 60s. Also, I have 6 lanterns from the 60s . All work like new . I keep hitting flee markets and finding insain deals . People don't know what they have . Or they just don't care .
I have recently done a rebuild of my vintage 1968 228F dual mantle lantern. You channel helped me do that. One thing I like about you approach is the explanation of not only how it works (part & pieces, etc) but also why it works (theory of operation) so one has a complete understanding of the actual apparatus. Very effective teaching tool that helps the student understand the device in its entirety.
I'm rebuilding a 220f and a 228f but I'm searching for some parts, where I can find them, I'm on México and is pretty hard to find parts
The spring in the stove generator is there to provide an increase in hot surface area so more fuel will vaporize within the tube. It also keeps the tip cleaning rod centered so the fine wire pricker/reamer doesn't get bent.
Thank you for what you do sir! Trying to get my 11 year old son interested in old coleman.
That 150 Vase Lamp is just awesome. I want one right now!
I always wondered how the generator worked; nice video
As always excellent explanation of theory put into working use ! Can't wait to learn next lesson. Thanks
Glad you liked it! Part 3 coming soon...
Great video series on theory. Thanks for the informative videos. Btw, the comment on the year of your wife’s birth was funny! If I had said that on a TH-cam video, I would have had to dodge a shoe or something! And good camera work by the wife.
P.S. Hope to see you get the store going on your website. I would like a one stop shop all things Coleman.
Frank, here's an idea. Create a pay site. Charge a reasonable flat fee. Make a troubleshooting matrix by model number. Users would enter the model number of the Coleman product that they are attempting to fix. Then have separate search boxes listing various symptoms of problems that they are having. (or at first let them create a narrative description of their subjective observations.) Let the user click on boxes describing the problems/symptoms. Then describe the most probable cause and remedy. You could do this case by case over time, and create a wealth of corporate knowledge that would live on forever. It would also be great fun for you, allowing you to use/benefit from the incredible amount of knowledge that you have amassed from your years of tinkering/fixing/restoring Coleman products!
And it could make you a fair amount of income! These Coleman products should live forever, and you are one of the few people on Earth who can make that happen! Thanks!
@OldTown Coleman you mentioned lighting a stove incorrectly, & I got a bit convicted. I have a 424 that put out plenty of tall yellow flames this weekend, despite going through the instructions step by step. It had a leak at the fuel knob last year. I called coleman for help, but they no longer support it, so I got some graphite & fixed it myself. Not very well apparently because it was pretty wonky this weekend. I looked at your video list for stove videos but came up short on stove info. I've enjoyed your channel, I started with a 200a my dad was tossing out, now I seem not to be able to pass up an old lantern. Thanks for the education, looking forward to more of it.
Thank you Kevin! The 2-3 burner stove video is upcoming as I've finished 1 & 2 mantle lanterns and the single burner stoves. There are a number more repair vidoes I'd like to do but the stove one will be next. Very sad that Coleman doesn't support the old stuff any longer, and a 424 isn't that old. Ensure that your burner assembly is 110% clean, same with the generator, and that your tip cleaner stem is seated well in the valve stem. Play around with the amount of pressure you begin with to see if that will aid in starting.
Thank you so much, I'll tinker with it tomorrow. I put on a new generator last year too, at the same time. I'll take it apart & make sure there's nothing gunked up in the mixing chamber & burner.
It was a pressure issue. Just fired it up, worked like a charm. Thanks again! (Still looking forward to the stove videos)
Very helpful and informative 👍
I really appreciate your video series. I have a dual-fuel 442 that needed a cleaning... but I wasn't sure what the theory of operation was with the generator.
Great information, well presented. Kudos !
Frank, your videos are amazing. Thank you for sharing. On a side note, as young as you look with all that darned hair, I can't believe that your lovely wife is a year older than I am. Well done, sir!
Thank you sir! Don't let the hair fool you...no longer young, but trying to ignore it...
Great video. Thanks.
This is absolutely great explanation 👍Thanks
My pleasure!
Thanks 4 all the explanation
My pleasure Doug!
50 years ago, when I was in high school, my father showed me that liquid gas didn't burn, it was the vapor. He put a lit cigarette on the ground and poured gasoline on it to put it out (Yes, we were outside so that if something went wrong there wouldn't be a problem if the gasoline flared.)
Thx 🙏
I have a Model 1951 Coleman US Army one burner. It preheats with a small amount of gasoline. Come to think of it, the Coleman stoves preheat the generator tube in a similar way.
Oooooh - where do you get those white-tip matches ??? From laboratory practice, the coil (or spring) inside the generator is not primary to "slow the gas down". That coil increases the surface area available for heat transfer and gas generation. Nice touch with your cat supervisor. Most excellent video.
Great useful video. I have several version's of C prducts. I feel more comfortable working on them to repair them. Do you have diagnosis repair videos?
Cool...
What does that lighting lever do on a stove? I've always though it opened the air port but I have never been sure. And does the air port stay open all the time on a lantern?
The Dog looks behave & handsome..
Great videos, what is that you're using for a propane torch?
Good evening Frank, I have a question. I recently purchased a lamp with the white turban shade, it has the straight Q77 generator. I tried to light it but it wouldn’t fire. I saw when you light yours it looks like you warm the generator for a bit then turn the valve on and it fires. I removed the generator and tried to blow through it and noticed it was bent quite a bit. I found some Q77 generators on eBay and ordered two. I will install and try again, do you have any suggestions on firing these? Cleaning the gas tip? Thank you for your videos, I have learned a lot and really enjoy them and the lanterns and stoves. My family used Coleman products in excess during our many camping trips while growing up.
Now after fully watching the video I realized I didn’t heat the generator. Thank you again for the videos.
Hello sir. Huge fan. I just purchased a 66' 426D 3 burner. I'm a little discouraged. I paid a lot for the stove and it has a few issues. It has a hard time burning blue and clean on the main burner if I turn the stove up passed 1/3 open and worse, it will not turn off. Turn the little lever up and close the fuel valve and wait a couple minutes. It will (simmer) but will not go out no matter how long I wait. When I received the stove the fuel valve knot was very tight. Plz help!
The Kerosene lanterns, can they run on white gas too. A friend of mine has one with that cup so i assume it's designed for Kerosene, but will white gas work too?
Yes, it works but you still have to preheat the generator. It can't instant light without the air holes.
I have a #237 Kerosene Coleman Lantern, and it looks as good as the one you have. I have several different types of Coleman lanterns, and stoves but the biggest disappointment was the purchase of the Coleman North Star, #2000-750. Flames keep erupting out from where the generator enters the burner assembly. So, there is a couple of hundred bucks wasted, being as I can not beg, borrow or steal any parts for it. I have the part numbers, but no parts.
I scored a 220K model the other day. I put fresh fuel in it and pumped it up. It pressurizes but when I open the valve and try to light the mantles, the match gets blown out. That leads me to believe that the metering rod is stuck in the down position, not allowing fuel to flow upwards. I tried to remove the part that goes into the tank but I couldn't get that thing to budge. It still has fuel in it. Maybe the fuel will soak into the goop that has seized the metering rod?
Thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.
Hi, I am a British ex-pat living in Norway. I need to replace the check valve on my Feather 442 stove, and I have the schematic breakdown of the stove parts list, but the check valve, although clearly identified does not show a part number. Both Coleman EU, and Coleman UK do not respond to my contact- Can you help please? Thanks.
I'm working on a 335 whose fuel/air tube doesn't provide a hex nut to take it apart. Even though it's round instead of hex shaped, does it still thread on? Can I wrap a piece of leather around it and spin it off with vice grips? Thanks
I have a two burner Colman lamp 1971 when light it it will start to back fire l replaced the generator no change how do fix this.
Fantastic - I hate to say it but you should be charging us for these videos. A question - I love your lamps - can you burn them inside like an Aladdin lamp or only outdoors? I have three Aladdin I do not light although I have rebuilt them all. The mantels are still new unburned. I would like to use the Aladdin and Coleman for power failures. Is it safe?
Burn lamps inside? Yes sir, absolutely, with caution for fire protection of course. All of those old lamps were built to run inside the home and they're really good at it. Thanks for the nice comments--very appreciated!
I have a Coleman duel fuel 533 it hold presure but it doesn't light what can it be plz let me know thank u
I have a Coleman model 639B. I'm using gasoline instead of kerosene. Illuminating perfectly. It's dangerous?
No Paulo, not dangerous but it does not have a fuel and air tube so use caution when lighting it...preheat as normal and you should be fine.
Frank: you should put all this information on DVD For sale ! Do you have a master's in coleman repairs ? ( joke ). About a year ago I bought a 2 burner stove from a pawn shop in BILLINGS. I got home with it ripped it all down , cleaned it almost looked new then I camouflaged it it looks great BUT the next I felt like I broke the law, to me it feels like. I painted a beard on the Mona Lisa !! Sorry I had to tell someone. Thank you Frank from montana.. Where can I pick up a warming plate like the one you have ? ( I promise not to camouflage it...
That is funny brother Frank. I am not and never will be an advocate or re-painting Colemans but as long as they are loved, that is what is important lol. A camo stove sounds real fun. I went to an estate sale late on a Sunday and found that stove in the back of a barn and paid about $5. That doesn't happen very often... There are a number of old stoves like it out there--just keep your eyes open and have patience.
What lamp is the one in your intro?
It is called a 'Sunshine Safety Lamp".
@@OldTownColeman Thanks. By-the-way, that's a cool intro.
Frank, you need to dress up as Alice Cooper for Halloween man!, I think you'd be a dead ringer!
George Harrison
Are you sure your not Alice Cooper ? Heck yea !! Like you've never heard that before , lol
The more I watch your videos the more I think of Frank Zappa not Alice Copper.
Glenn, and more people mention Zappa too. Yesterday a lady told my wife that we look like "music people" which I found pretty funny. Maybe I should trim down the facial hair to a small diamond under the lower lip...?
@@OldTownColeman Just be careful and watch out where the the huskies go and don’t you eat that yellow snow
@@glennking8206 Suzy Creamcheese....
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very nice