Hello All, it has been fun to see what people are paying per kwh across the globe. If you happen to have an electric bill close by, feel free to post how much your provider charges so I can compile the information in a short. My thought is that it will help people in various states and countrys have a better feel for what their cost would be.
St. Louis MO - We have 6 electrical rates, On-Peak, Mid-Peak and Off-Peak times 2 seasons, Winter and Summer. Summer rates are $0.3359, $0.1008 and $0.0637. Winter rates are $0.1798, $0.0645, $0.0526. Obviously, I charge mostly during Off-Peak hours (10P-6A) with typically 85% or more Off-Peak and 15% or less Mid-Peak. When I got my Tesla M3 I was still on the standard rate of around $0.12 summer and $0.07 winter. A few months later I got a Smart Meter from the utility and I am now paying over 10% less per month, including charging, than before I got the Tesla. I consider night-time charging to be essentially free. 😍
I always recharge on night (off peak) tariff electricity, and pay 8.25p per kWh, but that should drop to 5p per kWh when my contract is renewed later this month. It costs me about 1.5p per mile, and will drop to about 1p per mile. I'm averaging a little more than 5 miles per kwh throughout a year, in Central England. My car is a 52 kwh 2020 Renault Zoe 110. A Tesla Model 3 would cost perhaps 25% more in electricity because of its higher consumption per mile. All prices are after tax. To see the approximate cost in U.S. dollars, multiply all of those figures in pence by about 20%. So my costs per kWh are very similar to yours. If I used daytime electricity, I have 19 kwh in home battery storage, and when that is exhausted the rate will be about 26p per kWh, or about 5p per mile. But in more than two years I've never had to pay that higher rate. Wherever possible, I've also used free public recharging, if I'm in an area where it is available.
You forgot to include the fuel costs so it's closer to 10 than 6 cents. Who's your provider? I have Duke energy (I'm in central FL) and it's around 18 cents per Kwh (Including fuel cost).
I’m looking into buying a used 2016 Model S by the end of this year and love seeing these informational videos!! I would love to see a “2016 Model S review in 2023” to discuss features missing or how updated the software is. Keep the videos coming! Glad I subscribed 😁
Thanks for the kind words. It means more than you know. As for a video, yes I am actually going to do a bit deeper dive on this very thing. I believe people should view these vehicles similar to phones. For many people all the core features you use of your phone are the same regardless of how old your phone is. The same holds true for teslas. I expect that video to drop within the next 3 released. Thanks for watching.
Thanks- I liked how you showed example 200-300 mile trips on the map, gives an idea how far the range really is! As a quick rule of thumb, for Teslas, it's around 3-4miles/KWH (other EVs are less efficient.) So, assuming 12,000 miles average annual mileage, that is 1000miles per month, so divide that by 3.33 or so... that is 300KWH per month, for 1000miles/month. (that extra also covers some 10% charge efficiency losses) Multiply that by your utility c/kwh, and you get monthly home charging cost. For me in expensive northern CA, where even OFF-peak is 27c/kwh, that is bit over $75/month, or... bit over 9c/mile. For superchargers, which are closer to 43c+ per KWH (varies widely!!), that is around 12-13c/mile. Gas prices vary widely in comparison , and milage, but for a 30MPG car, at avg $3.50/gal it costs ~12c/mile, so gas and superchargers are close... but for CA $5+/gal, it costs almost 17c/mile! BUT: I have home rooftop solar, which covers all my home AND my EV charging usage, and so with net metering, I basically pay a few $100s per YEAR only. (minimal grid/monthly charges, solar covers all my usage.) That means not just my house power, but all my driving is FREE... !!(it has paid off after 5-7years already)... that is saving me almost $3000 per year in home electricity and car fueling costs! And will keep saving me that, for another 20+ years... :)
Our electricity provider doesn't have "off-peak" rates either so, whenever we charge our EVs the rate is the same. That rate is a little different tho. We pay $0.16 per kWh here in the low deserts of So. Cal. and based on your 510kW you average we would have paid about $81. Still substantially cheaper than a ICE vehicle to travel the same distance. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks for adding how much you pay in California. I think it adds good context to the conversation on how big of a swing there can be. Like you said though still cheaper than gas.
I think you may have misunderstood the video. I drive 300-400 miles per week. So for me to drive an average of 1400 miles it costs me 32 dollars. Unless I misunderstood your comment that means it would cost you 150 dollars to drive the same amount. I also don’t recommend people buy new teslas because used is substantially cheaper. I would never compare a Tesla to a reliable used Honda which could be purchased for 10K. This is simply to educate how much it costs to fill an ev. In the instance of operating costs buying a used gas Honda with 45 mpg is a fantastic buy and would certainly cost less in comparison to a30k car. I appreciate the comment though and is helpful feedback as I didn’t intend to do anything other than educate cost to fill an ev.
@@DrewsReviews2023 , We just completed a 2,348 mile roadtrip to Colorado Springs and back. We spent an average of $0.38 at each Tesla SuperCharger along the route on our trip having the onboard navigation directing us to each stop. Being generous with the average equivalent ICE vehicle mpg of vehicles we have experience with (30 mpg non-hybrid), we would have spent around $4.50/gal and $367 overall. DC Fast Charging cost $244. Everyone's experiences will vary but this is just an anecdotal example and not the standard.
Wow ! Here in France I pay 0,23€/kWh off-peak (0,25$). But it’s still cheaper than gasoline (8,35$ per gal. US). And my model Y perf so much powerful than an equivalent ICE car..
Hi there. The reason I said a Tesla is because I show how much it kWh is used in a Tesla and how to do the calculation of how you can do the math in your area. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
Good video and it highlights that as long as you charge at home you will save money, but if you use a charging station then you lose money. Another Tesla owner showed how his home was 15 cents per kilowatt-hour. While the charging stations he went to cost 40 to 65 cents per kilowatt-hour. Great for inside the hoe range not so good outside the home range.
Thanks for making this video. This is exactly what I attempt to explain to my neighbors every day. They don't seem to understand the math at all. In upstate NY we have off peak rates at $.06 as well...and that includes the taxes, fees, and delivery charges. Meanwhile, gasoline has crept up to the $4.00 mark. It's as if the electric company is happy to sell you the spare electrons on the night time baseload instead of dumping them to earth? They don't turn off nuclear, and hydro at night simply because there is no longer any demand.
I own a model Y. I've kept meticulous records since taking delivery. I drive a lot. Data includes all charging costs. Here are the current stats.... Ownership: 3 years (July 24, 2020 - July 24, 2023) Odometer: 115,649 total miles Total Energy Used: 32,764 kWh Total Cost of Energy: $3569.50 Cost per mile: 3.1c Battery Statistics: Beginning range: 310 miles Current range: 291 miles Degradation after three years: 7.11% Gas is obviously dead to me!
Also important to consider the cost of vampire drain with and without using Sentry mode. I pay about $2 a day in vampire drain on my 2021 Model S just sitting in the driveway with Sentry Mode on.
Hi, I'm in the UK, obvious, I guess! I have something called 'Economy Seven' cheap rate from 00:30 to 07:0 GMT and 01:30 to 08:30 British Summer Time. This tariff was introduced decades ago for over-night storage heaters. The cost in USD is $0.11 per kilo Watt-hour. I can have a 32 amp, 230 volt ac single phase wall supply giving 7.3 kilowatts per hour so in seven hours I can get about 50 kilo watt hours for a cost of $5.50. Other tariffs are available from differing suppliers. However my non-cheap rate tariff is much higher on Economy seven than without it at about $0.63 per kWh. That approaches what I might pay at a road side charger. My main electricity consumers, water heating, washing and drying etc all run on timers overnight during the cheap rate. Solar would have a non-zero cost - I'd be charging the car instead of selling the excess electricity back to our National Grid. The up front capital cost varies but would be around £10k to £12k or higher, say $12k to $15k.
Thanks for sharing this. Super interesting to learn about the UK. Also, not sure if it is standard practice, but sounds very smart on your part to have your appliances run on a timer during non peak hours. Thanks so much for sharing this!
We pay 13 cents per kWh with AMERENIP (all in) here in southern IL. We are retired and average about 600 miles a month and according to the Tesla app, we consume about 150 kWh of power. We easily get 4 miles per kWh. So that works out to about $20 a month in electricity. We are adding solar panels so our cost will drop to ZERO when charging at home. Love waking up to a FULL TANK every morning. Don't miss those trips to the gas station.
$.06/khw!!! Wow. I wish. We're at $.38/kwh here in northern california with rates expected to start flirting with $.50 pretty soon. Feels great to have a ton of solar on the roof.
Wow $.06 cents / kWh is insane! Would love that. Mine in Bay Area/California is like $0.30 and the super chargers are close to 50 cents. So $30-50 bucks for a tank of energy versus your 6 bucks or whatever. Crazy how different it is across the country. That’s awesome though! If you had a gas vehicle you’d be spending like 400 bucks on gas. That’s real savings to put towards a nicer car pmt like this too. Awesome.
i thought the same, but from a UK perspective. two years ago we used to have night time rates of 7.5p per KWH which i thought was good, but its now 10p for 4 hours per night and then 30p at all other times. luckily for me, i have solar which even in the wet UK means i get free driving for around 7 months of the year and then cheap driving for the rest. i currently have a nissan leaf which costs £2 to charge at home from 50% to full over night. My Tesla model Y is coming on 28th December and looking forward to all that extra range i am going to get. thanks for the informative video drew, much appreciated.
That is fantastic! Congrats on your Model Y - those are so fun and I love the extra room. I hear the leaf is a perfect step into the electric world. Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching!
Your right. The cost difference across the country is more extreme than I expected, but It seems like the electric continues to be cheaper across the country vs gas unless supercharging.
@Mark1Mach2 that’s a good question. It depends on what state of charge you start from. I don’t typically start from empty I normally charge from about 30% to 80%
Wife and I got a Model Y performance and Model 3 Performance. I rip the 3 Perf everywhere. wife drive a bit more conservative. We paid an extra $15-20 more on the electric bill every month. We drive about 200-300miles/month.
To help add some context what do you pay for your gas? In my instance I was paying $300ish per month for gas which would still make that cost half each month for me. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Super helpful to see.
Works out to around $5.22 USD per gallon, our driving habits vary. Kw cost here in USD is .34c I cant believe how cheap your electricity is, i would have an electric car if power was that cheap here. @@DrewsReviews2023
You should combine the Energy Charge, Tax Exempt Fuel Cost, and Taxable fuel cost lines to get your per kWh cost. Your real cost per kWh appears to be $.10616. Still a great rate but not as good as the video makes it out to be.
There is no limitation. When you sit in the car if you select the car icon in the bottom left corner of the center screen - then navigate to the charging tab - it will show what the last supercharging session cost. If it shows zero then it has free supercharging. Also, the dealership will have access to the Tesla app on their phone and can pull up your Tesla. Then have them select specs and warranty at the bottom. It will clearly list out Lifetime Free Supercharging if it has it. I will make a short on this tonight and post it.
Thank you! @@DrewsReviews2023 Do all the Model S of 2017 and older charge about the same, assuming the same general battery use/miles as yours? You mentioned 20 minutes for 60% ish.. if I remember.. .may need to rewatch your video.
I am actually putting out a video on supercharging this week that may be helpful. But it is all dependent on how drained the battery is. If you are down to 30 miles of range the battery can charge to 80% in about 20-30 minutes. If you are at 120 miles of range getting to 80% may take 20 minutes. All teslas charge super fast when low battery and then gradually slow how fast the car will charge. The intent of superchargers is short burst to get you where you need to go. Hope that helps. If not, new video should drop Tuesday.
on superchargers costs with one recharging so much as in house!! well it depends on mileage but in EU it is 30-70cent per kilowat so prices are pretty high and of course pretty slow charging especially if you must wait in line
Thanks for the comment. I am going to do a video that helps with this mindset. Supercharging is used very little for most unless you live in an apartment. Either way I appreciate the feedback.
I have no idea to be honest with you. I have been trying to figure that out myself. I am super grateful but not sure how. But yes I am trying to be consistent.
Must be nice having rates that low, in CA SCE bends us over for .25 - .65 per kWh. I commute 100 miles a day and it costs me over $100/mo charging at home only during off peak.
@@DrewsReviews2023 did i say supercharger? The charger that are free a tesla 22kw 32amp chargers at every shopping center and carpark all over Australia cost nothing, superchargers are only free if u have the credits to do so.
You need to configure the app properly. You seem to have it all on other instead of Home. Anyhow, here in south Florida we pay flat $.13 cents a Kw. Yours is super cheap at only $.6cents 👌🏼
The reason the app shows differently is because I use my mobile charger to chatted instead of a permanent home charger. If you know of a way to switch the mobile charger to be identified as home please share. Thanks for the comment! Loving seeing what everyone pays!
@@DrewsReviews2023 oh it’s simple. Go to charge stats, scroll down and click on settings, click in home and enter the info required. The car will know when you’re home based on gps. When you use other chargers outside of your home location it will specify as other. The only downside is that it will now separate home and other and throw your stats out of wack. I did this about two months after I got the car.
@@DrewsReviews2023 interesting. Maybe if done outside of the home address and then charging when you’re home it thinks you’re somewhere else since it was setup somewhere else. 🤷🏻♂️maybe. Who knows
I got you beat. From 9p to 7a my power is free and that's when we charge our EVs. My solar panels and powerwalls power me the rest of the time so we have no power bill.
6 cents - how cute. I'm about 40 miles west of Boston. Electric rates here are $0.35 per kWh. So, your 510 kWhs would have been roughly $180. Gas prices just went up here and I'm paying $3.43 per gallon. While it's hard to compare different vehicles, my wife's Honda Pilot is about the closest we have to the Tesla and it gets about 28 MPG. So, lets say you get roughly 3 miles per kWh that same 510 kWh would need roughly 54.6 gallons of gasoline. Or, $187.42 I'm finding it very hard to justify an EV on the fuel savings. Even when you add in all operating costs, the expense of EV tires and the fact that they wear out faster due to the heavier load of the EV eats up a lot of the ICE upkeep expenses. The other issue with electric costs is that they jump up often and never come down. Gas prices have barely gone up $1 over the last 20 years. Sure there are spikes in both directions, but that generally averages out. Electric rates just go ONE direction. Solar? Great idea. Except that in Massachusetts, most solar is capped at 10kWh. If you don't understand what that means, it's roughly the energy a fairly frugal household uses. In other words, your solar would never cover your home and EV. So, the conclusion is that if your energy costs are low, EV makes sense. If your electric costs are not low, do the math.
Thanks for taking the time to add this to the conversation. I think it is solid information for those who are considering purchasing in your area. I intend on doing a cost of ownership video to cover those elements you spoke about regarding tires, insurance, wiper blades and such for people who are kicking around the idea. For me, I was not interested in saving the environment or saving on gas, I was solely interested in purchasing for the styling, speed and technology of the Model S. That said, I still did my research as best I could to roughly guess if my cost would go up substantially from the ICE vehicle I had, or if they would remain roughly the same. Again, truly appreciate your time to create this write up. Super helpful.
The OEM tires were worn at 30k miles but my PIlot Sports 4S is lasting 47k miles and on-going, likely hit 55k miles before swapping. The fuel saving depends on electric rate and my old car used premium gas and 25mpg.
I have a flat rate, but my provider will credit $250….if I opt for their Charger that should only be used during peak hours….and they will credit 5 bucks for each month I comply to charge off peak…..during my last few months at this address I might enroll 😂
6 cent per kwh doesn't exist in the USA. Not in any state or city. I'm calling BS on this one. Maybe 0.06 for just the raw electricity, but you have to include delivery, or you'd be lying.
I show my actual electric bill on the screen that shows the charge. That is the whole reason why my electric company allows a $30 per month flat charge for ev. It amounts to the same cost.
@@DrewsReviews2023 You should have mentioned that in the beginning. You also didn't link the EV Charging program in your description, so how would I or anyone know that you're using a EV Charging program. Why wouldn't you tell people that these flat rate charging is available? Wouldn't this push your video in a more positive direction? Keeping this information to yourself doesn't help anyone.
Sorry. I am new to making videos and I wish I would have done a better job. I didn’t include because the program is different with each electric supplier. I am trying to get better with every video I put out. I appreciate the feedback though. It means a lot so I can keep trying to grow for what people have interest in. Thanks for the feedback.
Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been a few months where I almost paid $.04 in upstate NY. At night, the nuclear and hydro plants continue to run to support the minimum baseload. If that energy is not used, then it will simply be dumped to earth. National Grid would prefer to make some money instead of no money, so they offer the energy at only a penny or two. My night time delivery rate is $.015 to $.019 per kWh. The myriad of other fees that get tacked on are all listed in the hundredths or thousandths of dollars and they are sometimes negative and subtract from the total cost (I don't understand how that actually works??? Maybe they over estimated a fee last month???). Anyway, it is true and I have the proof in my history of bills on my computer. If I could post a picture in this reply, I would show you. Maybe I can post it somewhere and add the link?
@DrewsReviews2023 Here in Ga, IF you have Georgia power, you can get on an off-peak EV charging program. I think it's $10 per month plus one to two cents per kilowatt hour to charge, 11pm to 7 am. So a 70kwh charge is under $1.50. If you did that 10 times a month plus $10 fee thats under $25.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Texas has a lot of wind energy at night. Imagine CyberTrucks that move dirt and equipment with no cost to charge at night! Ford and GM will be bankrupt by 2028 (my prediction).
I'm sure electricity costs will stay low if governments succeed in their mission of transitioning the majority of humanity to EVs. Corporate entities would never, ever dramatically raise the price once everyone is locked in and reliant on electricity for transportation. Nope. That definitely won't happen. The best part is, the electricity needed for EVERYTHING ELSE used in our lives will also stay cheap, even as electricity demand threatens to overwhelm the existing infrastructure. Yep, electricity will just keep being cheap despite it being the only form of energy required by every single device and machine used by humans. Utopia awaits.
I'm glad that never happened with gasoline while I was driving ICE vehicles....whew... Get over it already. Unless you own an oil well and refinery, then your point has no merit. I have solar panels on my home. The government isn't informed of all the free electrons that the sun provides for me every day.
Thanks for adding to the conversation. I don’t think it will stay cheap forever, but as people have mentioned to add solar it eliminates this worry from the future. I am doing a video on how much a low cost solar would cost in a few scenarios. As it stands the energy cost could 10x for me to break even to what I was paying in my ICE car.
This cheap power will not be forever. When there are more EV's than gas cars then there will be a ton of taxes attached to charging your vehicle. This will have to be done. And there will be a premium price for auto charging. It will not be cheaper, could be more. There will be one supplier for your auto power and nothing to stop them from taking what they want.
Great point and it absolutely could become true. This is the beautiful thing about it. Currently I am paying several hundred dollars less than when I had my ICE car, I have enough wiggle room that it could go up 10x what it is currently for me to break even. The other thing I love is that we have the ability to have solar. I will be doing a video on how much solar cost for my exact scenario and it’s substantially less then people think. Then my energy becomes free. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
If you're charging from home, they cannot add a tax to charging your vehicle because they can't tell the difference between an EV charging or an A/C unit running. The only thing they can do is slap you with an EV tax when you purchase your EV, or with an annual road maintenance tax. That however is counter to the EV purchase incentives governments are offering. Governments want to promote EV adoption because the medical bills will be lower due to cleaner air and less respiratory and cancer issues.
@@petemiller519 I don't believe for a second that our government is looking out for us. Not for our health and not to save us money. If you have to use a special adapter to charge your car then figuring out if you are using it is not difficult. The EV's are a convenient way of consolidating the wealth. As soon as buying an EV is basically your only option, the tax incentives will go away.
@@artblackwood7936 I believe this statement to be true. EV's do not need incentives at all. They are clearly better technology....no one ever paid me anything to adopt music CD's and trash my cassette collection. I believe the incentives are strictly for the manufacturers to get their proverbial asses in gear and make the switch before the Chinese car makers takeover the entire supply chain and car market.....again, because EV's are clearly better. The incentives will go away....and so will GM, Ford, VW, Honda, Toyota.....etc. They aren't making much effort. I have hopes for the Koreans at least.
Hello All, it has been fun to see what people are paying per kwh across the globe. If you happen to have an electric bill close by, feel free to post how much your provider charges so I can compile the information in a short. My thought is that it will help people in various states and countrys have a better feel for what their cost would be.
St. Louis MO - We have 6 electrical rates, On-Peak, Mid-Peak and Off-Peak times 2 seasons, Winter and Summer. Summer rates are $0.3359, $0.1008 and $0.0637. Winter rates are $0.1798, $0.0645, $0.0526. Obviously, I charge mostly during Off-Peak hours (10P-6A) with typically 85% or more Off-Peak and 15% or less Mid-Peak.
When I got my Tesla M3 I was still on the standard rate of around $0.12 summer and $0.07 winter. A few months later I got a Smart Meter from the utility and I am now paying over 10% less per month, including charging, than before I got the Tesla. I consider night-time charging to be essentially free.
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I always recharge on night (off peak) tariff electricity, and pay 8.25p per kWh, but that should drop to 5p per kWh when my contract is renewed later this month. It costs me about 1.5p per mile, and will drop to about 1p per mile. I'm averaging a little more than 5 miles per kwh throughout a year, in Central England. My car is a 52 kwh 2020 Renault Zoe 110. A Tesla Model 3 would cost perhaps 25% more in electricity because of its higher consumption per mile. All prices are after tax.
To see the approximate cost in U.S. dollars, multiply all of those figures in pence by about 20%.
So my costs per kWh are very similar to yours.
If I used daytime electricity, I have 19 kwh in home battery storage, and when that is exhausted the rate will be about 26p per kWh, or about 5p per mile. But in more than two years I've never had to pay that higher rate. Wherever possible, I've also used free public recharging, if I'm in an area where it is available.
You forgot to include the fuel costs so it's closer to 10 than 6 cents. Who's your provider? I have Duke energy (I'm in central FL) and it's around 18 cents per Kwh (Including fuel cost).
Thank you for clarifying. I have JEA.
I’m looking into buying a used 2016 Model S by the end of this year and love seeing these informational videos!! I would love to see a “2016 Model S review in 2023” to discuss features missing or how updated the software is. Keep the videos coming! Glad I subscribed 😁
Thanks for the kind words. It means more than you know. As for a video, yes I am actually going to do a bit deeper dive on this very thing. I believe people should view these vehicles similar to phones. For many people all the core features you use of your phone are the same regardless of how old your phone is. The same holds true for teslas. I expect that video to drop within the next 3 released. Thanks for watching.
Thanks- I liked how you showed example 200-300 mile trips on the map, gives an idea how far the range really is!
As a quick rule of thumb, for Teslas, it's around 3-4miles/KWH (other EVs are less efficient.) So, assuming 12,000 miles average annual mileage, that is 1000miles per month, so divide that by 3.33 or so... that is 300KWH per month, for 1000miles/month. (that extra also covers some 10% charge efficiency losses)
Multiply that by your utility c/kwh, and you get monthly home charging cost.
For me in expensive northern CA, where even OFF-peak is 27c/kwh, that is bit over $75/month, or... bit over 9c/mile.
For superchargers, which are closer to 43c+ per KWH (varies widely!!), that is around 12-13c/mile.
Gas prices vary widely in comparison , and milage, but for a 30MPG car, at avg $3.50/gal it costs ~12c/mile, so gas and superchargers are close... but for CA $5+/gal, it costs almost 17c/mile!
BUT: I have home rooftop solar, which covers all my home AND my EV charging usage, and so with net metering, I basically pay a few $100s per YEAR only. (minimal grid/monthly charges, solar covers all my usage.)
That means not just my house power, but all my driving is FREE... !!(it has paid off after 5-7years already)...
that is saving me almost $3000 per year in home electricity and car fueling costs! And will keep saving me that, for another 20+ years... :)
Our electricity provider doesn't have "off-peak" rates either so, whenever we charge our EVs the rate is the same. That rate is a little different tho. We pay $0.16 per kWh here in the low deserts of So. Cal. and based on your 510kW you average we would have paid about $81. Still substantially cheaper than a ICE vehicle to travel the same distance. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks for adding how much you pay in California. I think it adds good context to the conversation on how big of a swing there can be. Like you said though still cheaper than gas.
I think you may have misunderstood the video. I drive 300-400 miles per week. So for me to drive an average of 1400 miles it costs me 32 dollars. Unless I misunderstood your comment that means it would cost you 150 dollars to drive the same amount. I also don’t recommend people buy new teslas because used is substantially cheaper. I would never compare a Tesla to a reliable used Honda which could be purchased for 10K. This is simply to educate how much it costs to fill an ev. In the instance of operating costs buying a used gas Honda with 45 mpg is a fantastic buy and would certainly cost less in comparison to a30k car. I appreciate the comment though and is helpful feedback as I didn’t intend to do anything other than educate cost to fill an ev.
Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t conveyed something poorly in the video. I apologize for the lengthy response.
Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t conveyed something poorly in the video. I apologize for the lengthy response.
@@DrewsReviews2023 ,
We just completed a 2,348 mile roadtrip to Colorado Springs and back. We spent an average of $0.38 at each Tesla SuperCharger along the route on our trip having the onboard navigation directing us to each stop. Being generous with the average equivalent ICE vehicle mpg of vehicles we have experience with (30 mpg non-hybrid), we would have spent around $4.50/gal and $367 overall. DC Fast Charging cost $244. Everyone's experiences will vary but this is just an anecdotal example and not the standard.
consistent with a couple of friends that are driving 400 to 500 weekly as well. Good job.
Glad to hear it.
Wow ! Here in France I pay 0,23€/kWh off-peak (0,25$). But it’s still cheaper than gasoline (8,35$ per gal. US). And my model Y perf so much powerful than an equivalent ICE car..
Italy too... the title is wrong written... should be "How much does it cost to charge MY Tesla per month" not a generic "A Tesla"
Hi there. The reason I said a Tesla is because I show how much it kWh is used in a Tesla and how to do the calculation of how you can do the math in your area. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
This is perfect. If I get enough people sharing how much it costs in their area I may do a short to showcase charging cost across the world.
Great concise videos keep up the good work not sure if you have started shorts but I think you would do well there also
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Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate the support. I have tried one short, but need to really dig my teeth into it. certainly trying to grow.
Another great video. Keep it up. Also, great work on the new mic. Sounds much better!!
Thanks! Now I need to figure out audio leveling. I feel like it peaks a few times in the video.
@@DrewsReviews2023 I couldn’t really notice that. However, I did notice it was infinitely better than without the mic.
Good video and it highlights that as long as you charge at home you will save money, but if you use a charging station then you lose money. Another Tesla owner showed how his home was 15 cents per kilowatt-hour. While the charging stations he went to cost 40 to 65 cents per kilowatt-hour. Great for inside the hoe range not so good outside the home range.
Thanks for the comment and insight.
Thanks for making this video. This is exactly what I attempt to explain to my neighbors every day. They don't seem to understand the math at all. In upstate NY we have off peak rates at $.06 as well...and that includes the taxes, fees, and delivery charges. Meanwhile, gasoline has crept up to the $4.00 mark. It's as if the electric company is happy to sell you the spare electrons on the night time baseload instead of dumping them to earth? They don't turn off nuclear, and hydro at night simply because there is no longer any demand.
I own a model Y. I've kept meticulous records since taking delivery. I drive a lot. Data includes all charging costs. Here are the current stats....
Ownership: 3 years (July 24, 2020 - July 24, 2023)
Odometer: 115,649 total miles
Total Energy Used: 32,764 kWh
Total Cost of Energy: $3569.50
Cost per mile: 3.1c
Battery Statistics:
Beginning range: 310 miles
Current range: 291 miles
Degradation after three years: 7.11%
Gas is obviously dead to me!
This is wonderful information to add to the conversation. Thanks for sharing!
Also important to consider the cost of vampire drain with and without using Sentry mode. I pay about $2 a day in vampire drain on my 2021 Model S just sitting in the driveway with Sentry Mode on.
Good point. Thanks for adding to the chat.
Also turn off Auto Summon that's one other vampire drain.
Hi, I'm in the UK, obvious, I guess! I have something called 'Economy Seven' cheap rate from 00:30 to 07:0 GMT and 01:30 to 08:30 British Summer Time. This tariff was introduced decades ago for over-night storage heaters. The cost in USD is $0.11 per kilo Watt-hour. I can have a 32 amp, 230 volt ac single phase wall supply giving 7.3 kilowatts per hour so in seven hours I can get about 50 kilo watt hours for a cost of $5.50. Other tariffs are available from differing suppliers. However my non-cheap rate tariff is much higher on Economy seven than without it at about $0.63 per kWh. That approaches what I might pay at a road side charger. My main electricity consumers, water heating, washing and drying etc all run on timers overnight during the cheap rate. Solar would have a non-zero cost - I'd be charging the car instead of selling the excess electricity back to our National Grid. The up front capital cost varies but would be around £10k to £12k or higher, say $12k to $15k.
Thanks for sharing this. Super interesting to learn about the UK. Also, not sure if it is standard practice, but sounds very smart on your part to have your appliances run on a timer during non peak hours. Thanks so much for sharing this!
We pay 13 cents per kWh with AMERENIP (all in) here in southern IL. We are retired and average about 600 miles a month and according to the Tesla app, we consume about 150 kWh of power. We easily get 4 miles per kWh. So that works out to about $20 a month in electricity. We are adding solar panels so our cost will drop to ZERO when charging at home. Love waking up to a FULL TANK every morning. Don't miss those trips to the gas station.
Man what a great story! Can’t beat 20 bucks! Thanks for sharing.
$.06/khw!!! Wow. I wish. We're at $.38/kwh here in northern california with rates expected to start flirting with $.50 pretty soon. Feels great to have a ton of solar on the roof.
Solar is my next plan of attack. We plan on being in this house for a while so it seems like a no brainer.
32cents a kWh up here in San Francisco. 6cents is dirt cheap, enjoy while it last
Wow 32 cents is quite the jump! How much does gas cost out there right now?
@@DrewsReviews2023 anything lower than $5 is a sign of good day.
Wow $.06 cents / kWh is insane! Would love that. Mine in Bay Area/California is like $0.30 and the super chargers are close to 50 cents. So $30-50 bucks for a tank of energy versus your 6 bucks or whatever. Crazy how different it is across the country. That’s awesome though! If you had a gas vehicle you’d be spending like 400 bucks on gas. That’s real savings to put towards a nicer car pmt like this too. Awesome.
i thought the same, but from a UK perspective. two years ago we used to have night time rates of 7.5p per KWH which i thought was good, but its now 10p for 4 hours per night and then 30p at all other times. luckily for me, i have solar which even in the wet UK means i get free driving for around 7 months of the year and then cheap driving for the rest. i currently have a nissan leaf which costs £2 to charge at home from 50% to full over night. My Tesla model Y is coming on 28th December and looking forward to all that extra range i am going to get. thanks for the informative video drew, much appreciated.
That is fantastic! Congrats on your Model Y - those are so fun and I love the extra room. I hear the leaf is a perfect step into the electric world. Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching!
Your right. The cost difference across the country is more extreme than I expected, but It seems like the electric continues to be cheaper across the country vs gas unless supercharging.
Hope many KWh are needed to fully charge the car?
@Mark1Mach2 that’s a good question. It depends on what state of charge you start from. I don’t typically start from empty I normally charge from about 30% to 80%
Wife and I got a Model Y performance and Model 3 Performance. I rip the 3 Perf everywhere. wife drive a bit more conservative. We paid an extra $15-20 more on the electric bill every month. We drive about 200-300miles/month.
Its a beautiful thing! I want to get my wife the Model X or Model Y
In the U.K. with Octopus Energy 6 hours of cheap overnight rate (7.5p per kWh) easily charges both cars, and a few times appliances.
I’ll have to google that. Sounds interesting.
.53c per kw in South Australia, your $32 USD would be $172 USD for me.
To help add some context what do you pay for your gas? In my instance I was paying $300ish per month for gas which would still make that cost half each month for me. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Super helpful to see.
Works out to around $5.22 USD per gallon, our driving habits vary. Kw cost here in USD is .34c I cant believe how cheap your electricity is, i would have an electric car if power was that cheap here. @@DrewsReviews2023
You should combine the Energy Charge, Tax Exempt Fuel Cost, and Taxable fuel cost lines to get your per kWh cost. Your real cost per kWh appears to be $.10616. Still a great rate but not as good as the video makes it out to be.
Thanks for shouting that out. I didn’t realize that should all be factored in. That now shows a 51 dollar per month rate. So not far off.
How did you go about verifying if your model s came with free supercharging? Is there a limit per day or month on amount of free supercharging?
There is no limitation. When you sit in the car if you select the car icon in the bottom left corner of the center screen - then navigate to the charging tab - it will show what the last supercharging session cost. If it shows zero then it has free supercharging. Also, the dealership will have access to the Tesla app on their phone and can pull up your Tesla. Then have them select specs and warranty at the bottom. It will clearly list out Lifetime Free Supercharging if it has it. I will make a short on this tonight and post it.
Thank you! @@DrewsReviews2023 Do all the Model S of 2017 and older charge about the same, assuming the same general battery use/miles as yours? You mentioned 20 minutes for 60% ish.. if I remember.. .may need to rewatch your video.
I am actually putting out a video on supercharging this week that may be helpful. But it is all dependent on how drained the battery is. If you are down to 30 miles of range the battery can charge to 80% in about 20-30 minutes. If you are at 120 miles of range getting to 80% may take 20 minutes. All teslas charge super fast when low battery and then gradually slow how fast the car will charge. The intent of superchargers is short burst to get you where you need to go. Hope that helps. If not, new video should drop Tuesday.
€0.16/KWh peak rate in Portugal … (there are low cost tariffs , but you end up paying the same per month 😢)
I might not understand the tariff situation. If you get time wouldn't mind an explanation on that. If not, I have some googling to do. :)
on superchargers costs with one recharging so much as in house!! well it depends on mileage but in EU it is 30-70cent per kilowat so prices are pretty high and of course pretty slow charging especially if you must wait in line
Thanks for the comment. I am going to do a video that helps with this mindset. Supercharging is used very little for most unless you live in an apartment. Either way I appreciate the feedback.
Hey man. How did you get a lot of viewers? Is it by just uploading consistently?
I have no idea to be honest with you. I have been trying to figure that out myself. I am super grateful but not sure how. But yes I am trying to be consistent.
Short and sweet
Tried not to drag it on. :)
Southeast Colorado Power Association, 12.73¢ per kilowatt hour. $29.25 monthly base charges.
29.25 per month is pretty good! Do you know if there is a cap on how much you can charge?
@@DrewsReviews2023 I’m sorry that I was confusing you… the base dollar fees charged for electric service is $29.25… not vehicle battery charges.
Must be nice having rates that low, in CA SCE bends us over for .25 - .65 per kWh. I commute 100 miles a day and it costs me over $100/mo charging at home only during off peak.
100 a month is more expensive than mine, but it does sound like a good deal for all the driving you do. Thanks for sharing.
Makes it more cost effective installing solar in CA then.
@@Trust_but_Verify I have a 5kWH solar system but because of my lack of roof space it only covers my home power needs and not much for the car.
In Australia it costs us Zero dollars because so many FREE chargers over 4 months not paid a cent to charge my model 3
I wasn’t aware they have free supercharging in Australia. That’s nice!
@@DrewsReviews2023 did i say supercharger? The charger that are free a tesla 22kw 32amp chargers at every shopping center and carpark all over Australia cost nothing, superchargers are only free if u have the credits to do so.
@@pkerry12I guess that's one way for shopping center to attract customers.
Are you driving an Tesla X or a Tesla Y ?
For purposes of this video, I was sharing my Model S, but I have driven them all.
$.33 cents per kWh in SoCal Edison EV program
Does the EV program mean it is a flat rate?
That's about what it would cost me, too. All of those savings would go straight to my insurance increase😢
If you haven’t checked out my other video about insurance you should. It may save you big money. Ended up saving me 1,600 every 6 months!
You need to configure the app properly. You seem to have it all on other instead of Home. Anyhow, here in south Florida we pay flat $.13 cents a Kw. Yours is super cheap at only $.6cents 👌🏼
The reason the app shows differently is because I use my mobile charger to chatted instead of a permanent home charger. If you know of a way to switch the mobile charger to be identified as home please share. Thanks for the comment! Loving seeing what everyone pays!
@@DrewsReviews2023 oh it’s simple. Go to charge stats, scroll down and click on settings, click in home and enter the info required. The car will know when you’re home based on gps. When you use other chargers outside of your home location it will specify as other. The only downside is that it will now separate home and other and throw your stats out of wack. I did this about two months after I got the car.
Hm. I will try this again. I have already done it once, but still isn’t registering properly.
@@DrewsReviews2023 interesting. Maybe if done outside of the home address and then charging when you’re home it thinks you’re somewhere else since it was setup somewhere else. 🤷🏻♂️maybe. Who knows
Either way I will give it a shot. Thanks
I'm on a free nights plan so I pay zero since I charge after 8pm
That’s awesome!
I got you beat. From 9p to 7a my power is free and that's when we charge our EVs. My solar panels and powerwalls power me the rest of the time so we have no power bill.
Where do you live that it's free for those times?
@@Trust_but_Verify
Houston TX
6 cents - how cute.
I'm about 40 miles west of Boston. Electric rates here are $0.35 per kWh.
So, your 510 kWhs would have been roughly $180.
Gas prices just went up here and I'm paying $3.43 per gallon. While it's hard to compare different vehicles, my wife's Honda Pilot is about the closest we have to the Tesla and it gets about 28 MPG. So, lets say you get roughly 3 miles per kWh that same 510 kWh would need roughly 54.6 gallons of gasoline. Or, $187.42
I'm finding it very hard to justify an EV on the fuel savings. Even when you add in all operating costs, the expense of EV tires and the fact that they wear out faster due to the heavier load of the EV eats up a lot of the ICE upkeep expenses.
The other issue with electric costs is that they jump up often and never come down. Gas prices have barely gone up $1 over the last 20 years. Sure there are spikes in both directions, but that generally averages out. Electric rates just go ONE direction.
Solar? Great idea. Except that in Massachusetts, most solar is capped at 10kWh. If you don't understand what that means, it's roughly the energy a fairly frugal household uses. In other words, your solar would never cover your home and EV.
So, the conclusion is that if your energy costs are low, EV makes sense. If your electric costs are not low, do the math.
Thanks for taking the time to add this to the conversation. I think it is solid information for those who are considering purchasing in your area.
I intend on doing a cost of ownership video to cover those elements you spoke about regarding tires, insurance, wiper blades and such for people who are kicking around the idea.
For me, I was not interested in saving the environment or saving on gas, I was solely interested in purchasing for the styling, speed and technology of the Model S.
That said, I still did my research as best I could to roughly guess if my cost would go up substantially from the ICE vehicle I had, or if they would remain roughly the same.
Again, truly appreciate your time to create this write up. Super helpful.
The OEM tires were worn at 30k miles but my PIlot Sports 4S is lasting 47k miles and on-going, likely hit 55k miles before swapping. The fuel saving depends on electric rate and my old car used premium gas and 25mpg.
3.8 times less that gasoline. If mS. So if you drop $3000 a year on gasoline you’re dropping just $789 on your Tesla fuel.
Tis a beautiful thing!
I have a flat rate, but my provider will credit $250….if I opt for their Charger that should only be used during peak hours….and they will credit 5 bucks for each month I comply to charge off peak…..during my last few months at this address I might enroll 😂
How much do they charge for the flat rate?
@@DrewsReviews2023 .1440 per kWh
6 cent per kwh doesn't exist in the USA. Not in any state or city. I'm calling BS on this one. Maybe 0.06 for just the raw electricity, but you have to include delivery, or you'd be lying.
I show my actual electric bill on the screen that shows the charge. That is the whole reason why my electric company allows a $30 per month flat charge for ev. It amounts to the same cost.
@@DrewsReviews2023 You should have mentioned that in the beginning. You also didn't link the EV Charging program in your description, so how would I or anyone know that you're using a EV Charging program. Why wouldn't you tell people that these flat rate charging is available? Wouldn't this push your video in a more positive direction? Keeping this information to yourself doesn't help anyone.
Sorry. I am new to making videos and I wish I would have done a better job. I didn’t include because the program is different with each electric supplier. I am trying to get better with every video I put out. I appreciate the feedback though. It means a lot so I can keep trying to grow for what people have interest in. Thanks for the feedback.
Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been a few months where I almost paid $.04 in upstate NY. At night, the nuclear and hydro plants continue to run to support the minimum baseload. If that energy is not used, then it will simply be dumped to earth. National Grid would prefer to make some money instead of no money, so they offer the energy at only a penny or two. My night time delivery rate is $.015 to $.019 per kWh. The myriad of other fees that get tacked on are all listed in the hundredths or thousandths of dollars and they are sometimes negative and subtract from the total cost (I don't understand how that actually works??? Maybe they over estimated a fee last month???).
Anyway, it is true and I have the proof in my history of bills on my computer. If I could post a picture in this reply, I would show you. Maybe I can post it somewhere and add the link?
6 ½ cents per kilowatt!!! Wow, that's cheap!!!
Here in GA, it's 12 cents. I thought that was cheap!!
It is super helpful to have people add their electric costs so we can see specific to each area what the cost would be. Thanks for sharing.
@DrewsReviews2023 Here in Ga, IF you have Georgia power, you can get on an off-peak EV charging program. I think it's $10 per month plus one to two cents per kilowatt hour to charge, 11pm to 7 am.
So a 70kwh charge is under $1.50. If you did that 10 times a month plus $10 fee thats under $25.
Gotta say 10 bucks a month would be sweet!
Step 1. Move to Florida.
Step 2. Get a Tesla.
My rate in Cali is .45-.55 per kilowatt hour. .55 after about 300 kilowatt hours.
Cali rates are certainly higher. How much does gas cost per gallon in your area? I assume it is still significantly cheaper than gas but not sure.
I have a plan for free nights. So I pay anywhere from $0 to $0 to charge
Free nights! That’s amazing. What area of the country is that and what hours of the day do they consider nights?
@@DrewsReviews2023 Dallas texas. 8pm to 5am
Man that is fantastic. Surprising such a big city would have such a great incentive.
@@DrewsReviews2023 although rates for peak hours are pretty high. Luckily we don’t use much during the day when we’re at work
@@DrewsReviews2023 Texas has a lot of wind energy at night. Imagine CyberTrucks that move dirt and equipment with no cost to charge at night! Ford and GM will be bankrupt by 2028 (my prediction).
I pay $25/mo to drive my Model 3
That’s wonderful! Do you know roughly how many miles you drive and how many kWh you use?
I'm sure electricity costs will stay low if governments succeed in their mission of transitioning the majority of humanity to EVs. Corporate entities would never, ever dramatically raise the price once everyone is locked in and reliant on electricity for transportation. Nope. That definitely won't happen. The best part is, the electricity needed for EVERYTHING ELSE used in our lives will also stay cheap, even as electricity demand threatens to overwhelm the existing infrastructure. Yep, electricity will just keep being cheap despite it being the only form of energy required by every single device and machine used by humans. Utopia awaits.
I'm glad that never happened with gasoline while I was driving ICE vehicles....whew... Get over it already. Unless you own an oil well and refinery, then your point has no merit.
I have solar panels on my home. The government isn't informed of all the free electrons that the sun provides for me every day.
Thanks for adding to the conversation. I don’t think it will stay cheap forever, but as people have mentioned to add solar it eliminates this worry from the future. I am doing a video on how much a low cost solar would cost in a few scenarios. As it stands the energy cost could 10x for me to break even to what I was paying in my ICE car.
This cheap power will not be forever. When there are more EV's than gas cars then there will be a ton of taxes attached to charging your vehicle. This will have to be done. And there will be a premium price for auto charging. It will not be cheaper, could be more. There will be one supplier for your auto power and nothing to stop them from taking what they want.
Great point and it absolutely could become true. This is the beautiful thing about it. Currently I am paying several hundred dollars less than when I had my ICE car, I have enough wiggle room that it could go up 10x what it is currently for me to break even. The other thing I love is that we have the ability to have solar. I will be doing a video on how much solar cost for my exact scenario and it’s substantially less then people think. Then my energy becomes free. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
If you're charging from home, they cannot add a tax to charging your vehicle because they can't tell the difference between an EV charging or an A/C unit running. The only thing they can do is slap you with an EV tax when you purchase your EV, or with an annual road maintenance tax. That however is counter to the EV purchase incentives governments are offering. Governments want to promote EV adoption because the medical bills will be lower due to cleaner air and less respiratory and cancer issues.
Interesting points. Thanks for sharing!
@@petemiller519 I don't believe for a second that our government is looking out for us. Not for our health and not to save us money. If you have to use a special adapter to charge your car then figuring out if you are using it is not difficult. The EV's are a convenient way of consolidating the wealth. As soon as buying an EV is basically your only option, the tax incentives will go away.
@@artblackwood7936 I believe this statement to be true. EV's do not need incentives at all. They are clearly better technology....no one ever paid me anything to adopt music CD's and trash my cassette collection. I believe the incentives are strictly for the manufacturers to get their proverbial asses in gear and make the switch before the Chinese car makers takeover the entire supply chain and car market.....again, because EV's are clearly better.
The incentives will go away....and so will GM, Ford, VW, Honda, Toyota.....etc. They aren't making much effort. I have hopes for the Koreans at least.