The naturally occurring iron farm is like the real life example of a naturally occurring nuclear reactor they found. It was active for 5 million years.
To get better results let some thousands of HDs, all with a copy of the game and send it to orbit the sun at way closer orbits to maximize the chance an boom, after a indefinitely (but definitely really fucking big) amount of time you can check all of them to see if you got lucky (I suppose you also got the idea for this comment from IGoByLotsOfNames GTNH series?)
a single event error! to check possibility of one you just need to recreate it by writing a program that flips a certain bit. this was done for an instance of single event error in a mario game
Im dying to find a mod that makes a villager society. That can do everything on their own with zero player input. Starting from vanilla villages to eventually expand into cities given enough time and conquering the entire game. Making it a sort of race between villagers and players.
I always thought it would be cool if there was a mod that added sentient-like "player" mobs that will do everything players do. Was thinking they could eventually start their own society where they work together and whatnot. It could be interesting to see.
@@PhantomOfficial07 I did find a mod called Roamers. It sort of does that with player like mobs that kill animals and builds a house. But they cant get any bigger than one house I think.
@@PhantomOfficial07 FUCK WHATEVER I JUST SAID BEFORE. MineFortress mod seems like a good bet, they arent entirely independant but are close. I just found it and now going to be testing it out.
Just imagine you're in a single player world and go into the end after awhile just to see the dragon has already been defeated. I would be so confused lol.
The idea of Endermen randomly shuffling blocks to create literally anything, given enough time, is basically the same as quantum mechanics shuffling particles around through random quantum tunneling events to create literally anything. An iron star. A Boltzmann Brain. An entire new Universe in the form of a singularity that immediately experiences a Big Bang.
it might be possible to somehow create logic gates with naturally generated blocks, using water mechanics or something. out of the totality of endermen creation could emerge computers, the game of life, minecraft itself, a simulation of the real universe...
@@theredsaurian oh it actually is! But the issue is quite simply that those logic gates rely on needing to open and close trapdoors, fence gates, etc. and they also rely on boats, which need to be placed by the player. But technically you can also do without all of those by just placing and removing a block to toggle which direction water will flow. Only issue with this is the fact that you can't make one logic gate then activate the next. I don't know whether endermen can pick up or place things like wooden pressure plates but if they can then I assume it would be possible for that to be done by using mobs that can't properly move against the water stream. The water can be placed anywhere vis endermen picking up and placing ice.
@@theredsaurian yep exactly, so regardless it would be extremely improbable. It'd be more likely for them to make whatever the computer was supposed to make directly compared to making a working computer that'd make the result I imagine.
My favorite part of this video is that the foxes will drop one of the rarest and most valuable treasures in the Minecraft world because they’re hungry little guys
using datapacks, you can set endermen to be able to pick up any block, combine that with carpet mod tick warp and maybe a command block clock to keep spawning them, you could possibly do such a deep time experiment as described in the end!
Counter for your ending. The world could just as easily end up creating more and more blocks through cobblestone generation or through endermen continuously making and disassembling portals to the nether infinitely generating obsidian. Resulting in a future where everything is essentially a cobblestone/obsidian cube
4 minutes in and the endermen are already the creepiest way a dormant world can change. Just randomly picking up and moving blocks, and then to a point where the ground is just no longer plain grass.
Actually, there is one part of a Minecraft world that is always loaded regardless of if there is a player: Spawn Chunks. If you run the server jar by itself, the spawn chunks would always be loaded even with no players connected. If you could find a world where somehow the exact conditions for beating the game were all within spawn chunks, it may even be possible to have the game be beated in the actual game without any rule modifications
I might be wrong but I think it is impossible for an end portal to generate in the spawn chunks, because the end portals spawn in rings starting at ~1000 blocks away from spawn iirc.
@DialecticRed That would be correct, but that's only in the *latest version* of the game. Stronghold spawning didn't always work the way it does now; if you go on Minecraft 1.12.2 and use the seed -5362871956303579298, not only do you get an end portal right next to spawn (and well within the entity processing spawn chunks), the portal is already lit as well! Though I'm not exactly sure on how the end chunk loading works in 1.12.2... I think you can load a few chunks on the End side by just having entities pass through the portal? (Someone would need to test that though)
I guess being stressed by entropy is the most rational irrational fear. It won't affect you beyond the mundane daily effects, so you shouldn't be afraid of it, but it is after all the inevitable doom of the whole existence.
We are products of entropy. Entropy isn't just disorder but the end path of any and all energy transfer. A strange paradox, for anything to exist in this universe, it must eventually turn to nothing.
i would seriously love to see a small-scale version of this. like a world that's always night, modified to spawn endermen more often and get them to grab items more often, running in even just a few chunks. i would love to see the random things they build
Rather than that, it's kinda inspirational. Anything is possible. You could technically fly by flapping your arms if everything goes right. (Or wrong). The chances are low. Very very low but never zero. Really makes you feel like you can do anything. Kinda maybe anything.
Thanks for bringing up the limitations of how mobs are processed in minecraft, since i feel like some people missed that point when watching original video. It actually isn't certain, that a 1.8 beta world would be destroyed, as lava meeting water can generate stone and cobble, allowing for more blocks to be created. However, i believe enderman can destroy fluids by placing sand obove them. Finally cold biomes already existed back in beta 1.8, allowing for ice to be created, which could be used to generate infinite oceans. Making it not that easy to tell, the ultimate fate of the world. This kind of speculation is pretty thought provoking, so i would be glad to see more videos covering that topic
Even if endermen have water production ability, they don't have lava production, so eventually all lava will be destroyed and the cobblestone supply will run out. Flooded bedrock plain?
If the lava can be destroyed with gravel though, I feel like the fate of a Minecraft world would instead be a coin flip between a world full and random of blocks or a world perfectly flat with bedrock, depending on whether all lava is removed before all blocks are removed
Could you imagine a mod where every mob works together to beat the dragon before you? They’d probably need special abilities, like placing blocks and eyes of ender, building, using flint and steel etc. But it would be a nice counterpart to videos where certain mobs just carry the player through the game.
Ha, that sounds interesting! Maybe in such a mod, the changes to the dragon mentioned in this video would also be reverted, so that mobs other than creepers would be able to damage the dragon directly. Endermen could perhaps spawn holding eyes of ender, which they might replace with a block if they aren't near an End portal but could place if they are...
I would love to see a TAS run of this. (With manually built seed and mobs pre-coded to do what they should do. And of course, have chunks needed always loaded.) This should be interesting.
Regarding killing the dragon, projectiles only don’t damage the dragon when it is perched. If you try shooting it while it is perched as a player, you’ll find that your arrows bounce off too. Additionally, I’m unsure how the dragon would with without a player, since its flight pattern sometimes relies upon a player’s position. Finally, it is possible that the dragon will never choose a path through the enderman staircase, although unlikely. However, as you have infinite time, it will happen at some point
10:21 this is an interesting concept but zoglins don't spawn in the nether. the only way to obtain one is a hoglin walking through a nether portal into the overworld and becoming one, like a piglin becomes a zombie pigman (zombified piglin). this is problematic because hoglins are scared of nether portals and run away from them, although you could argue the portal would spawn on one, but that can only happen once per portal.
or other circumstances might force them in, say if they fell into a hole with a Nether portal at the bottom and some lava or another mob pushed them into it
There's a lot of ways hoglins can be forced in, like falling from above... all they have to do is touch the nether portal frame blocks. Its just going to be a lot more rare. But even if it happens only once every 10 years across the entire minecraft world, with infinite time, that is a common occurrence.
@@kryptoniteW In theory with infinite time, one would wander into the end before it grows up because infinite time means everything will happen eventually. Right?
There was an oversight on the video around 14:30 since foxes were added in 1.14, so there must be a player changing the version in order to an elytra being stored naturally, yet very interesting approach
Mean you could naturally envision a version of Minecraft where the Envisioned experience is everything that's ever been plausible in the game all at the same time, Now the only problem would be changes that Directly conflict with itself, for instance the changes to the Dragon
I should mention here that blowing a hole into a stronghold is not necessary on all seeds. There are a few seeds, mostly used by speedrunners, that have an exposed, lit End Portal next to spawn. With how big all Minecraft worlds are, chances are there are at least a few with pre-lit, accessible End portals that also come with self-lighting Nether portals.
Loved the video! There are certain issues: 1) Would a skeleton survive being launched towards the crystal? 2) Would the dragon ever be close enough to both the crystal and the skeleton for it to shoot and accidentally hit the crystal? 3) Can we assume that any single ice golem will be generated before all pumpkins are destroyed? Probably but we'd need to know how many pumpkins there are on a regular world, would they live long enough to do anything? Let alone open paths trough creepers blowing up. Most likely the finite amount of pumpkins would run out rather quickly on the grand scheme of things. 4) Can an endship spawn connected in such a way that any mob of those mentioned in the video can walk a path towards it at all? I don't think so but I might be mistaken Comments: Could wandering traders help us get mob interactions? Like agroing some mobs? Assuming we don't need players for them to spawn the odds of wandering traders spawning and also pillagers with crossbows accidentally shooting creepers are insanely low, however if it's going on forever, eventually it will happen at every chunk available several times, enough times to clear a path to a ender portal frame. I'd need a better understanding of the spawning of both of these mobs and how they interact with each other and with other mobs.
Thank you for addressing the issues with chunk loading, mob spawning, and more! Although it’s not really a big deal, when other people don’t mention this sort of stuff and assume that every chunk is always loaded in their videos, it really irks me
as a note, a true super flat bedrock world is impossible, either 1 block of water or lava would have to remain in order for an enderman to die and lose its picked up block, so depending on the ordering, you could end up in a world where endermen can't survive in the over world because it's now all covered in water, or more amusingly but much less likely, lava.
I think this also misses that you dont need to dig to the portal. Mobs spawn in the strong hold and that can easily intersect with a ravine or a cave system and be exposed. It reduces the time needed significantly
True, but maybe the End portal being dug to, was necessitated for the set-up of Nether mobs being able to get there, & the fox eventually bringing the Elytra back to the surface/main world (or storing it in the hopper). EDIT: Oh, and so the Snow Golems could get to the End too.
Ah entropy, where the randomness is represented by the endermen moving blocks around Honestly this video remonds me much of my professor teaching us about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and showing how with enough time passing anything is possible. The example my professor used was that apple in a box scenario, and this is basically that but with the minecraft world as the apple
Dude bro I am so glad someone thought of the same thing like I did, I actually wrote this comment, and then I found yours, my comment said, "This might as well prove that the universe was created by some super being in the 4th dimension, as a computer game for them, this is their game where we humans are just endermen. This also perfectly describes the entropy concept in our own reality, how things could go to disorder given enough time. This is just absolutely insane." Its actually insane. When you think about it the way given some very basic developpment initial state a whole state of universe can be created within a game, minecraft is like a 2 dimensional universe that we humans created. If 4th dimension exists this universe could very well be their video game.
This video just had me thinking about all the possible things that could happen in this universe given infinite time like a conscience being just appearing out of literally thin air or even just a brain that is able to contemplate its role in the universe and study the universe around itself. Also based pfp and username.
is the heat death just the universe running out of memory... i mean in games when you run out of ram your game would crash. oh wait the universe ceases to exist like if a game crashes to desktop.
@@slycooper1001 In our case technically the universe wouldn't stop existing but say given enough time a life form spontaneously came into existence there would be no way for that life form to know of our existence or anything if it spawns in a dark void otherwise devoid of energy. At that point it may as well from it's perspective have been the beginning of time when it spawned in.
Honestly this is a good concept for its own game. If a game was simple enough or small enough... you could have a world represented and simulated in full. This idea of a constantly evolving world state that the player is compelled to respond and adapt to, sounds like a really interesting game. Perhaps someone could mod Minecraft to feel like this. Perhaps by turning off mob despawning, that would be enough to get close. But honestly, it would do far better as a game dedicated to the concept.
I dunno about that 'ultimate fate', natural cobblestone generators are so common that they're seen regularly in normal gameplay. While Endermen could maybe destroy those, it might be possible to have them generate in such a way that they're protected from being too altered by Endermen, leading to a source of infinitely renewable blocks without player interaction! So, the world would instead become cobblestone over time, as other blocks are removed from the possibility of being distributed.
when 1.16 came out and speedrunners built magma ravines, i wondered if it was possible for a nether portal to naturally spawn and be lit. none of my friends irl or on discord understood me and said my question was stupid. but today I'm glad to see my thought experiments explored in this video
I dont think so. Its much more likely for a ruined portal to spawn naturally. The issue with magma ravines is that there is generally only a few layers of lava whereas a full portal needs about 5 blocks height
@@sileudies but would it be possible for at least 1 instance of a magma ravine without ruined portal to make a lit portal across every location in every seed?
10:57 i saw a clip once of an end ship where it got cutoff upon world generation. part of the ship was still standing, and the item frame generated. but it didn't have a block against it (it got cutoff), so the elytra just fell to the ground lol. that's an easier way of getting an elytra. unfortunately it is seed based though (although tbf getting to the end at all is also seed based)
That's one of the main problems with these thought experiments. They're mixing up infinite time with infinite seed generation. So you'd need a seed that has a fully completed end portal and then also the conditions for a naturally spawning nether portal and also the end gateway generating right above an end ship. That seed simply doesn't exist so infinite time never gets you there.
@@bunnyisdreaming6081 There are 2^64 seeds. if you think that's even close to infinite then you have a very poor understanding of what infinity is. Infinity is infinitely bigger than the number of minecraft seeds.
@@pdpgb Have you been to every one of those seeds? Have every single one of them been 100% studied in their entirety? Every single block combination/coordinate accounted for? Including the fact that, over SEVERAL different Minecraft versions, the seed generation algorithm changes altogether, thus creating a WHOLE NEW ITERATION of those 2^64 seeds, multiple times over? And that EVERYONE who has studied ALL these seeds in their entirety gathered all the data (or were even specifically looking for this combination), & confirmed your claim that NONE of them have all the requirements necessary? No? Then you can't say that seed doesn't exist. As far as we know, it IS still possible, unless/until proven otherwise.
In a world like this where a lot of mob pathing, etc. is random, these mobs could act similar to our world's "elementary particles." Like how gluons and quarks have different behaviors, creepers and skeletons do as well. What could arise from infinite time? A collection of mobs in specific positions might form some sort of "system" which would allow it to exist longer on average than other mobs which are separate and not in a specific system. Many different kinds of these "mob systems" may arise, some better able to interact with the minecraft world than others. Some of these mob systems may even be able to attack other mob systems using some clever arrangement of snow golems, creepers, skeletons, maybe even some mechanism to trap and utilize iron golems that spawn in villages. What would happen now that mob systems can compete against each other? Evolution. Mob systems would get better and better at surviving, self-repairing, self-replicating. Mobs acting as particles, have by chance come together to create something living, in the same way that non-living particles in our world managed to create life. Abiogenesis. These mob systems could not only compete against each others, they could work together and have different functionalities. These mob systems, similar to cells, could come together and form multicellular life. From then on, evolution would take place just like how it would in our world, and maybe even complex life could form after such a long time. Of course, the heat death of the universe may occur before this happens, but if proton decay isn't a thing, then random quantum fluctuations would eventually create a new universe in what's called a Poincare Recurrence. In some of these newly created random universes, this experiment could run again... and again and again and again. Under infinite time, anything that has a non-zero chance of occurring, will occur. The result? Eventually, minecraft will create sentient life on its own, will answer all answerable questions, will create everything there is to create, will destroy everything there is to destroy. Forever over and over.
I'm pretty sure explosions used to be able to destroy lava. Might just be my memory failing me, but I feel like it at least used to. Also don't skeletons tend to circle around each other, when dueling? Let's say Snow Golem was made, attacked skeleton and said skeleton missfired into another skeleton. Given some impossible luck and unimaginable skill issue from the AI part, game could make an infinite agro machine like that.
i like how in the end you faded out and trailed off to signify infinity, as if the video itself is an unending explanation, and you keep talking forever even after it ends. awesome 😁
It would be cool if someone streamed something like this, or made a spectator mode server. with a few modifications that might change the time needed of course it might be actually interesting to watch
no it would not, even with the entire processing power of humanity working to simulate minecraft worlds to do this would never accomplish something intresting to watch, you clearly dont understand the astronomical odds we are talking about to start one step of the things in these videos
Even if every computer on earth was running a perfect seed at 5000 times the regular progression of time in a world the sun would still die out before the things in this video naturally happen
One thing I don't ever see considered in this video are the rules endermen have for placing and picking up blocks. Do they need a block underneath to place something down? Can they take a block that's floating in the air, or will they only take a block at their feet? These things are pretty important when considering the randomisation factor.
That is indeed the case, as the islands are simply REALLY far from the End Dragon island and the End Gateways just directly teleport you there. I've actually found End Islands this way, btw!
@@stephaniethebatter7975its not even that far, its just about 1000 Blocks. Ive run past the dragon and built a bridge over there in multiple worlds over the years.
The fact that it's theoretically possible for endermen in that version of Minecraft to destroy all but the base bedrock makes me wonder if it was the inspiration for superflat worlds. Like, that world was destroyed and the player enters it just after it started accumulating dirt again.
10:50 And that is what Star Citizen is trying to achieve with their persistent assets and stuff with their servers. Quite an insane thing to try, and if they release it is another question
Super interesting study. Minecraft is a unique feat of human creativity. A self-supporting world populated by AI. Feels Matrix-y when you think of it that way. Whose to say we’re not in the same boat?
i love videos that give me an existential crisis a few seconds in jokes aside though it is interesting. we, as humans, have made the technological advancements required to make the little self-sufficient ai world that is minecraft. in some time it's safe to say we'll be able to make a self-aware ai, which can live its own life and develop just like we can. so who's to say someone else hasn't already reached this level of technological development? this idea gave me a genuine existential crisis when i was a little younger, it was awful 💀 but now it's just interesting to me
The flat bedrock end isn't completely devoid of everything, it's either at least one lava pool, which the final block gets destroyed in, or at least one enderman holding the final block roaming the empty world forever.
There is one other situation in which the block could be lost forever, without any lava or water pools nearby: with no blocks left to make overhanging ledges, the enderman would eventually die to rain, leaving the block to despawn.
man I was thinking through this whole video "this guy is sounding like Jorge Luis Borges" and then you brought up the Library of Babel! Amazed by your ability to make this a genuinely thought-provoking experiment.
The empty bedrock superflat at the end would not make sense, as there would have to be lava nearby. So you would have lava falling from the sky in a few places, where endermen would go to be burned and remove a block from the world. If they wanted to remove the lava, they'd have to find somewhere else to remove blocks, so a small island of blocks would reappear where there is no lava. In time, that might mean a few flat islands, surrounded by lava.
I think it would be unlikely (even on the scale of "likelihood" that we're dealing with here) to have an empty bedrock superflat, but not impossible. Falling sand and gravel could slowly destroy lava pools and even oceans, and then that same sand and gravel could be picked up and moved again and again and eventually deleted when those endermen die. Once there are no pools of lava or water left for endermen to die in... well, there's always the rain.
I can't tell you the last time i played minecraft, but i can most certainly tell you i never did anything mentioned in the video outside of making ender portals. Its amazing how much stuff MC has within.
I think my favourite part of this entire, mindblowing video, was the idea of an "averaged out" minecraft world, born from endermen endlessly scrambling the blocks of the world. and the possibility of structures emerging from the randomness? I would freaking LOVE to see something like that. so so cool. :)
@@Nick12_45 if you have infinitely many events with equal likelyhood (e.g., selecting a random number between 0 and 1) then all of them have probability 0. Edit: note that this isn't the case here since Minecraft is discretized and finite, so there are only a finite number of events and thus all possible events have nonzero probability.
@@scottbright595 Phantoms specifically need players who lack sleep. Presumably this aggravates the phantoms (or they're a product of your imagination? idk).
@@Confused-Rock i undrstand the echanic but a creeper need to be inside the loaded area of a player so if we are forgetting these mechanics why not the phantoms too
Imagine waking up to see a new world, you are lost, you wander to a strange room, and find the abandoned minecraft world, and, playing fun at your new strange sinario, being lost wherever you are, trillions of years since you last fell asleep, play the game
I think snow golems are completely unnecessary for creepers exploding in the overworld, as wolves attack and agro skeletons, which could then miss and activate creepers. Still unlikely, but far far more probable than with snow golems. Or the portal could just be connected by a cave.
Every time a deck of cards is properly shuffled they are now in an order that’s never been reached before. 52! (Factorial).. that’s 8 followed by 67 Zeros. You can imagine MC ending its self… never going to happen.
Great work! I stopped to go watch retrogaming's video and was thrilled when it kept up or exceeded that thoughtful quality! I espescially love the visuals and editing you undertook. As well, the notes about the realistic interference from dragons and lightning strikes really put me in the frame of mind to consider which infinite possibility would play out first! My only critiques are the following: it might be more accurate to call this version of the thought experiment "ideal Minecraft" since we are effectively paying attention to the perfect series of events - and on that note - Retrogaming's video made great use of the word "will" to describe these events as inevitibilities in the infinite universe - whereas you seem to focus in on the "near term" and use the term "could" to describe the events as possibilities. There are a few times I think you had everything necessary to make an absolute statement, but you seemed to ease off to avoid overreaching? You certainly earned the certainty to declare some absolute truth so don't hold back! Either way you made some excellent points and kept me hooked the entire time! Thanks for putting this together :D
In the version of Minecraft where ender man can move anything there would still be water and lava pillars. Where lakes rivers and oceans once were. That’s probably something that could be simulated in a chunk or 2 with current computing power.
This is basically bubblesort You get the advantage of being able to make the most perfect sort of: 1 turn But that's a 1 in a 10000000000 chance(depend on how much you can rearrange the blocks)
Now I want to make some sort of program that doesn't simulate this, but logically visualizes the interactions that could happen, kinda like Little Alchemy. For example, an Enderman could take a block and walk into lava, destroying the block. These combinations of steps would give you an abstracted version: Destroy Block.
The world would never become flat, as lava and water protects blocks. Even if, the last lave source is required to destroy the last block Also you could mention cobble generators and come to the opposite conclusion that the world is covered entirely, with tiny air pockets below
Who needs lava, when blocks can despawn? The last lava source could be destroyed, an enderman picks up the last block... and then it starts raining. Even so, the destruction of all that lava and water would be unlikely even on the scale of probabilities being worked with here, you're right.
Some things are wrong about this, consider the caged ender crystals. Zoglins do not spawn naturally by the way, and it'll die to the Endermans before even getting a chance to walk through the outer end islands. It would also take extreme luck for a fox to grab the elytra, since the elytra would just despawn. Sure, the elytra can be safely stored inside a hopper, although very unlikely. If the elytra ended up despawning, then there will be no other elytras being accessible to any of the mobs since the dragon will only die once, hence only one outer end portal. Ghasts are too big to fit through nether portals, so all the section about ghast are basically useless. The iron farm can also be instantly destroyed by Endermans as quickly as they made it, either by freeing the villagers or slightly alternating the water to pour down and put out the lava. Endermans cannot move lava and water, so the rest of the world would be lava, water and bedrock. Cool video, really explores the actual limits of Minecraft and simulation!
One End Gateway allows for access to the only outer End, which has much more than just one End City with Elytra. All arena End Gateways just lead to points of that same large Outer End, making multiples unnecessary.
@TheRedSmarty 20 End Gateways can spawn on the main island. Each has an exit of it's own far away from the main island. Endermans cannot bridge to other end islands, therefore the you can only have an amount of End Cities that can fit on that outer island. The Cities that contains the Elytra is even rarer, making the chance of getting more than 1 Elytra almost impossible.
@@TheRedSmarty The fox and zoglin can never reach the other end ships though because endermen can't bring dirt in to build a staircase. The entire original scenario was premised by the end gateway generating right above an end ship. And yes since the elytra would despawn you would need to rerun the simulation again until a fox and zoglin came in at the same time. At that point it's not about infinite time in 1 minecraft world, it's about infinite time spent rerunning infinite simulations of the perfect world. The other big problem is you'd need a seed with all these conditions met which probably doesn't exist.
This might as well prove that the universe was created by some super being in the 4th dimension, as a computer game for them, this is their game where we humans are just endermen. This also perfectly describes the entropy concept in our own reality, how things could go to disorder given enough time. This is just absolutely insane.
I think Endermen couldn't even in Minecraft Beta 1.8 construct overhangs of any block because they cannot place blocks over air (they cannot place on the sides, only on top of blocks) or remove blocks that don't have air immediately above.
Just thought of an amazing mod. Imagine a mod, where you could craft some sort of item (idk what with or how) but it would age your minecraft world by a quintillion years or something. You could then explore how the world was shaped, with there maybe even being an evolution mechanic to mobs, where they'd evolve depending on what had happened in those quintillion years. It'd be full of bugs and laggy as all hell but it would be hella fun.
Ooooh, and it'd be fun to make multiple copies or replay the same seed multiple times... doing some different things each time... then jumping to each future & seeing how your little actions may have caused drastic changes (butterfly effect) versus being devoured by fate!
some interesting enough generation could actually end up creating a natural cobblestone generator. ive actually come across one in a world before while exploring a cave until it reached a narrow part of an underground ravine, where it then it would fall off additionally, there was some lava that happened to be doing the same thing from a different area, reaching the same spot, which resulted, with some rough edges, a cobblestone generator.
Interesting video. Very interesting person making the video. After only 2:38 minutes my mind was blown as i am presented with the Truman fact. The reasoning and analytical abilities of some people are so amazing. Also thank you for the bable website hint.
so you’re telling me, Minecraft is a multiplayer, single player AND zero player game?
Un-player game
you know.. there are other games like that and not just minecraft
A variable-player game
yeah that's obviously what he's trying to tell you, stoopid
except its just a lie because the mobs need a player to generate the chunks in order for them to move
The naturally occurring iron farm is like the real life example of a naturally occurring nuclear reactor they found. It was active for 5 million years.
THEY WHAT!
@@CrispyFwy look up "oklo natural reactor"
Who is they? Is that even possible? Source, please?
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@@Twiddle_things en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor
At this point I think its more likely for a random electron fluctuation to flip the bit in the save file marking whether the game has been beaten
Cosmic rays do cause memory errors per an IBM study.
It was s cosmic particle
To get better results let some thousands of HDs, all with a copy of the game and send it to orbit the sun at way closer orbits to maximize the chance an boom, after a indefinitely (but definitely really fucking big) amount of time you can check all of them to see if you got lucky (I suppose you also got the idea for this comment from IGoByLotsOfNames GTNH series?)
This is in another dimension
a single event error!
to check possibility of one you just need to recreate it by writing a program that flips a certain bit.
this was done for an instance of single event error in a mario game
Im dying to find a mod that makes a villager society. That can do everything on their own with zero player input. Starting from vanilla villages to eventually expand into cities given enough time and conquering the entire game. Making it a sort of race between villagers and players.
Well I like "millenaire" mod, maybe it's the one that suits you
@@said_aliev tried it ages ago. Pretty much the same concept but not exactly what I'm looking for. More vanilla style is what I'm trying to find.
I always thought it would be cool if there was a mod that added sentient-like "player" mobs that will do everything players do. Was thinking they could eventually start their own society where they work together and whatnot. It could be interesting to see.
@@PhantomOfficial07 I did find a mod called Roamers. It sort of does that with player like mobs that kill animals and builds a house. But they cant get any bigger than one house I think.
@@PhantomOfficial07 FUCK WHATEVER I JUST SAID BEFORE. MineFortress mod seems like a good bet, they arent entirely independant but are close. I just found it and now going to be testing it out.
I love how Pippen manages to turn "Can Minecraft mobs beat itself?" into an existential crisis.....
ikr
i mean the original video kinda already did that
i hate every comment that starts with "i love how"
Lol
ayo, why u talkin bout mobs beating things
Just imagine you're in a single player world and go into the end after awhile just to see the dragon has already been defeated. I would be so confused lol.
the chances are Lower than your dad returining with the milk so dont think its ever gona happen atleast in the next few million-billion years
@@mysmart_ygjust because the chances are low doesn’t mean the mobs’ pathfinding can't immediately and unanimously decide to defeat the enderdragon
@@mysmart_ygNo, it’s literally impossible given the games’ mechanics. This video applies real-life logic to minecraft
@@cloud5464 *can't
@@mysmart_yg jeez what did toeb ever do to deserve this?
The idea of Endermen randomly shuffling blocks to create literally anything, given enough time, is basically the same as quantum mechanics shuffling particles around through random quantum tunneling events to create literally anything. An iron star. A Boltzmann Brain. An entire new Universe in the form of a singularity that immediately experiences a Big Bang.
Also the same as "monkeys with typewriters" lmao
it might be possible to somehow create logic gates with naturally generated blocks, using water mechanics or something. out of the totality of endermen creation could emerge computers, the game of life, minecraft itself, a simulation of the real universe...
@@theredsaurian oh it actually is!
But the issue is quite simply that those logic gates rely on needing to open and close trapdoors, fence gates, etc. and they also rely on boats, which need to be placed by the player.
But technically you can also do without all of those by just placing and removing a block to toggle which direction water will flow.
Only issue with this is the fact that you can't make one logic gate then activate the next.
I don't know whether endermen can pick up or place things like wooden pressure plates but if they can then I assume it would be possible for that to be done by using mobs that can't properly move against the water stream.
The water can be placed anywhere vis endermen picking up and placing ice.
@@Owgla with no player those components would be hard to acquire. pressure plates from village tables yes, but others?
@@theredsaurian yep exactly, so regardless it would be extremely improbable.
It'd be more likely for them to make whatever the computer was supposed to make directly compared to making a working computer that'd make the result I imagine.
My favorite part of this video is that the foxes will drop one of the rarest and most valuable treasures in the Minecraft world because they’re hungry little guys
A very interesting extension! It was cool how you applied the concept to other versions of the game to see what may have been possible then.
He copied wifies
@@nobo86 jesus christ wifies' video is one day later than this one, its just a damn coincidence
@@nobo86rteard
@@nobo86wifies video came out a day after this one
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using datapacks, you can set endermen to be able to pick up any block, combine that with carpet mod tick warp and maybe a command block clock to keep spawning them, you could possibly do such a deep time experiment as described in the end!
ok...
Interesting... I'll consider it
@@brobeckskazooremixes8703 dont
@@daanman-js6jono one asked
That's basically a variation of the infinite monkey with typewriter
21:49 How nice of the Endermen to destroy the world but move the village to safety
Counter for your ending. The world could just as easily end up creating more and more blocks through cobblestone generation or through endermen continuously making and disassembling portals to the nether infinitely generating obsidian. Resulting in a future where everything is essentially a cobblestone/obsidian cube
4 minutes in and the endermen are already the creepiest way a dormant world can change. Just randomly picking up and moving blocks, and then to a point where the ground is just no longer plain grass.
Actually, there is one part of a Minecraft world that is always loaded regardless of if there is a player: Spawn Chunks. If you run the server jar by itself, the spawn chunks would always be loaded even with no players connected. If you could find a world where somehow the exact conditions for beating the game were all within spawn chunks, it may even be possible to have the game be beated in the actual game without any rule modifications
I might be wrong but I think it is impossible for an end portal to generate in the spawn chunks, because the end portals spawn in rings starting at ~1000 blocks away from spawn iirc.
it is possible in bedrock@@DialecticRed
yeah but end chunks dont get loaded
@@HossuhAffasHomBOSSBedrock does not have spawn chunks always loaded
@DialecticRed That would be correct, but that's only in the *latest version* of the game. Stronghold spawning didn't always work the way it does now; if you go on Minecraft 1.12.2 and use the seed -5362871956303579298, not only do you get an end portal right next to spawn (and well within the entity processing spawn chunks), the portal is already lit as well! Though I'm not exactly sure on how the end chunk loading works in 1.12.2... I think you can load a few chunks on the End side by just having entities pass through the portal? (Someone would need to test that though)
Entropy really stresses me out and the knowledge that it exists in Minecraft brought me to genuine tears watching this video thanks for that
I guess being stressed by entropy is the most rational irrational fear. It won't affect you beyond the mundane daily effects, so you shouldn't be afraid of it, but it is after all the inevitable doom of the whole existence.
We are products of entropy. Entropy isn't just disorder but the end path of any and all energy transfer. A strange paradox, for anything to exist in this universe, it must eventually turn to nothing.
@@fresh_doodPerhaps an "empty" universe with "nothing" is the instigator of a big bang.
i would seriously love to see a small-scale version of this. like a world that's always night, modified to spawn endermen more often and get them to grab items more often, running in even just a few chunks. i would love to see the random things they build
fundy made something similar some time ago
Someone made a video simulating what endermen could build over time, can't remember the name rn
@@PhoebeTheFairy56if i'm not mistaken, that video is the one he recommends in the beginning
@@emilyb1130 not the one I'm thinking of, since it was made after this video came out. Also I think the guy's name was ElementX
I love when a block game can give me an existential crisis…
I believe in Jesus so its impossible to get an existential crisis
Rather than that, it's kinda inspirational. Anything is possible. You could technically fly by flapping your arms if everything goes right. (Or wrong). The chances are low. Very very low but never zero. Really makes you feel like you can do anything. Kinda maybe anything.
@@averdadeeumaso4003 i just simply accept the absurdity of life
@@jevil6297 A very fitting philosophical comment for a Jevil to make.
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her one must imagine jevil happy
Thanks for bringing up the limitations of how mobs are processed in minecraft, since i feel like some people missed that point when watching original video. It actually isn't certain, that a 1.8 beta world would be destroyed, as lava meeting water can generate stone and cobble, allowing for more blocks to be created. However, i believe enderman can destroy fluids by placing sand obove them. Finally cold biomes already existed back in beta 1.8, allowing for ice to be created, which could be used to generate infinite oceans. Making it not that easy to tell, the ultimate fate of the world.
This kind of speculation is pretty thought provoking, so i would be glad to see more videos covering that topic
yo MAMA
Even if endermen have water production ability, they don't have lava production, so eventually all lava will be destroyed and the cobblestone supply will run out. Flooded bedrock plain?
@@Supahdenning yo MAMA
@@Supahdenning please become a thelemite
@@Supahdenning jk
If the lava can be destroyed with gravel though, I feel like the fate of a Minecraft world would instead be a coin flip between a world full and random of blocks or a world perfectly flat with bedrock, depending on whether all lava is removed before all blocks are removed
dont forget about cactus: stronger than lava
@@link_team3855 but weaker than creeper, which is much more common and faster at breaking blocks than endermen
Don’t forget about water, enderman can die to it too and the block dropped can never be placed
Or a world full of cobblestone/stone if gravel vanishes before the last accidental cobble gen gets destroyed
A quote from markiplier of all people: In a world of infinites, improbable is just certianty waiting it's turn.
what video did he say that in, and at what point?
@@velocityraptor2890 it was the Narrator's intro from In Space with Markiplier part 2
@@velocityraptor2890 th-cam.com/video/xAOv_zvXBQk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gbhb4AA8nHsUREsl
Could you imagine a mod where every mob works together to beat the dragon before you? They’d probably need special abilities, like placing blocks and eyes of ender, building, using flint and steel etc. But it would be a nice counterpart to videos where certain mobs just carry the player through the game.
Ha, that sounds interesting! Maybe in such a mod, the changes to the dragon mentioned in this video would also be reverted, so that mobs other than creepers would be able to damage the dragon directly. Endermen could perhaps spawn holding eyes of ender, which they might replace with a block if they aren't near an End portal but could place if they are...
There's something beautifully poetic about the overworld mobs working in tandem with the endermen to beat the Ender Dragon given enough time.
I would love to see a TAS run of this.
(With manually built seed and mobs pre-coded to do what they should do. And of course, have chunks needed always loaded.)
This should be interesting.
Regarding killing the dragon, projectiles only don’t damage the dragon when it is perched. If you try shooting it while it is perched as a player, you’ll find that your arrows bounce off too. Additionally, I’m unsure how the dragon would with without a player, since its flight pattern sometimes relies upon a player’s position.
Finally, it is possible that the dragon will never choose a path through the enderman staircase, although unlikely. However, as you have infinite time, it will happen at some point
10:21
this is an interesting concept but zoglins don't spawn in the nether. the only way to obtain one is a hoglin walking through a nether portal into the overworld and becoming one, like a piglin becomes a zombie pigman (zombified piglin).
this is problematic because hoglins are scared of nether portals and run away from them, although you could argue the portal would spawn on one, but that can only happen once per portal.
or other circumstances might force them in, say if they fell into a hole with a Nether portal at the bottom and some lava or another mob pushed them into it
There's a lot of ways hoglins can be forced in, like falling from above... all they have to do is touch the nether portal frame blocks. Its just going to be a lot more rare. But even if it happens only once every 10 years across the entire minecraft world, with infinite time, that is a common occurrence.
@@PippenFTS But wouldn't it just grow up?
@@kryptoniteW In theory with infinite time, one would wander into the end before it grows up because infinite time means everything will happen eventually. Right?
@@PippenFTS your video is flawed from the beginning of the idea. you need a player to generate the chunks for the mobs to move
There was an oversight on the video around 14:30 since foxes were added in 1.14, so there must be a player changing the version in order to an elytra being stored naturally, yet very interesting approach
Mean you could naturally envision a version of Minecraft where the Envisioned experience is everything that's ever been plausible in the game all at the same time,
Now the only problem would be changes that Directly conflict with itself, for instance the changes to the Dragon
I should mention here that blowing a hole into a stronghold is not necessary on all seeds. There are a few seeds, mostly used by speedrunners, that have an exposed, lit End Portal next to spawn. With how big all Minecraft worlds are, chances are there are at least a few with pre-lit, accessible End portals that also come with self-lighting Nether portals.
Loved the video! There are certain issues:
1) Would a skeleton survive being launched towards the crystal?
2) Would the dragon ever be close enough to both the crystal and the skeleton for it to shoot and accidentally hit the crystal?
3) Can we assume that any single ice golem will be generated before all pumpkins are destroyed? Probably but we'd need to know how many pumpkins there are on a regular world, would they live long enough to do anything? Let alone open paths trough creepers blowing up. Most likely the finite amount of pumpkins would run out rather quickly on the grand scheme of things.
4) Can an endship spawn connected in such a way that any mob of those mentioned in the video can walk a path towards it at all? I don't think so but I might be mistaken
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Could wandering traders help us get mob interactions? Like agroing some mobs? Assuming we don't need players for them to spawn the odds of wandering traders spawning and also pillagers with crossbows accidentally shooting creepers are insanely low, however if it's going on forever, eventually it will happen at every chunk available several times, enough times to clear a path to a ender portal frame. I'd need a better understanding of the spawning of both of these mobs and how they interact with each other and with other mobs.
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I can't find the exact video but here's another example of someone spawning onto an end ship th-cam.com/users/shortsHtZ2d89LLYQ?feature=share
@@creepert923interesting
I presume endermen can help build pathways to and from the end ships
10:45 "hit from a snow ball form an iron golem"
Well, big white guy throws around big white balls
“Given an infinite amount of time, anything without a 0% chance of occuring… will occur”
Thank you for addressing the issues with chunk loading, mob spawning, and more! Although it’s not really a big deal, when other people don’t mention this sort of stuff and assume that every chunk is always loaded in their videos, it really irks me
as a note, a true super flat bedrock world is impossible, either 1 block of water or lava would have to remain in order for an enderman to die and lose its picked up block, so depending on the ordering, you could end up in a world where endermen can't survive in the over world because it's now all covered in water, or more amusingly but much less likely, lava.
I think this also misses that you dont need to dig to the portal. Mobs spawn in the strong hold and that can easily intersect with a ravine or a cave system and be exposed. It reduces the time needed significantly
True, but maybe the End portal being dug to, was necessitated for the set-up of Nether mobs being able to get there, & the fox eventually bringing the Elytra back to the surface/main world (or storing it in the hopper).
EDIT: Oh, and so the Snow Golems could get to the End too.
It’s so every mob can enter
Ah entropy, where the randomness is represented by the endermen moving blocks around
Honestly this video remonds me much of my professor teaching us about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and showing how with enough time passing anything is possible. The example my professor used was that apple in a box scenario, and this is basically that but with the minecraft world as the apple
Dude bro I am so glad someone thought of the same thing like I did, I actually wrote this comment, and then I found yours, my comment said, "This might as well prove that the universe was created by some super being in the 4th dimension, as a computer game for them, this is their game where we humans are just endermen. This also perfectly describes the entropy concept in our own reality, how things could go to disorder given enough time. This is just absolutely insane." Its actually insane. When you think about it the way given some very basic developpment initial state a whole state of universe can be created within a game, minecraft is like a 2 dimensional universe that we humans created. If 4th dimension exists this universe could very well be their video game.
This video just had me thinking about all the possible things that could happen in this universe given infinite time like a conscience being just appearing out of literally thin air or even just a brain that is able to contemplate its role in the universe and study the universe around itself.
Also based pfp and username.
broo I thought exactly the same
is the heat death just the universe running out of memory...
i mean in games when you run out of ram your game would crash.
oh wait the universe ceases to exist like if a game crashes to desktop.
@@slycooper1001 In our case technically the universe wouldn't stop existing but say given enough time a life form spontaneously came into existence there would be no way for that life form to know of our existence or anything if it spawns in a dark void otherwise devoid of energy. At that point it may as well from it's perspective have been the beginning of time when it spawned in.
Honestly this is a good concept for its own game. If a game was simple enough or small enough... you could have a world represented and simulated in full. This idea of a constantly evolving world state that the player is compelled to respond and adapt to, sounds like a really interesting game. Perhaps someone could mod Minecraft to feel like this. Perhaps by turning off mob despawning, that would be enough to get close. But honestly, it would do far better as a game dedicated to the concept.
I dunno about that 'ultimate fate', natural cobblestone generators are so common that they're seen regularly in normal gameplay.
While Endermen could maybe destroy those, it might be possible to have them generate in such a way that they're protected from being too altered by Endermen, leading to a source of infinitely renewable blocks without player interaction!
So, the world would instead become cobblestone over time, as other blocks are removed from the possibility of being distributed.
when 1.16 came out and speedrunners built magma ravines, i wondered if it was possible for a nether portal to naturally spawn and be lit. none of my friends irl or on discord understood me and said my question was stupid. but today I'm glad to see my thought experiments explored in this video
I dont think so. Its much more likely for a ruined portal to spawn naturally. The issue with magma ravines is that there is generally only a few layers of lava whereas a full portal needs about 5 blocks height
@@sileudies but would it be possible for at least 1 instance of a magma ravine without ruined portal to make a lit portal across every location in every seed?
@@_wetmath_not every seed but maybe some
10:57 i saw a clip once of an end ship where it got cutoff upon world generation. part of the ship was still standing, and the item frame generated. but it didn't have a block against it (it got cutoff), so the elytra just fell to the ground lol. that's an easier way of getting an elytra. unfortunately it is seed based though (although tbf getting to the end at all is also seed based)
That's one of the main problems with these thought experiments. They're mixing up infinite time with infinite seed generation. So you'd need a seed that has a fully completed end portal and then also the conditions for a naturally spawning nether portal and also the end gateway generating right above an end ship.
That seed simply doesn't exist so infinite time never gets you there.
@@pdpgbthere's almost infinite seeds. So somewhere out there, it exists
@@bunnyisdreaming6081 There are 2^64 seeds. if you think that's even close to infinite then you have a very poor understanding of what infinity is.
Infinity is infinitely bigger than the number of minecraft seeds.
@@pdpgb Have you been to every one of those seeds? Have every single one of them been 100% studied in their entirety? Every single block combination/coordinate accounted for? Including the fact that, over SEVERAL different Minecraft versions, the seed generation algorithm changes altogether, thus creating a WHOLE NEW ITERATION of those 2^64 seeds, multiple times over? And that EVERYONE who has studied ALL these seeds in their entirety gathered all the data (or were even specifically looking for this combination), & confirmed your claim that NONE of them have all the requirements necessary?
No?
Then you can't say that seed doesn't exist. As far as we know, it IS still possible, unless/until proven otherwise.
Excellent video. Super fun exploring these concepts. Dude desperately needs a pop filter for his mic though. ❤😅
Hmmm yes the snowball from the iron golem. 10:40
Well said.
It makes complete sense
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In a world like this where a lot of mob pathing, etc. is random, these mobs could act similar to our world's "elementary particles." Like how gluons and quarks have different behaviors, creepers and skeletons do as well. What could arise from infinite time?
A collection of mobs in specific positions might form some sort of "system" which would allow it to exist longer on average than other mobs which are separate and not in a specific system. Many different kinds of these "mob systems" may arise, some better able to interact with the minecraft world than others. Some of these mob systems may even be able to attack other mob systems using some clever arrangement of snow golems, creepers, skeletons, maybe even some mechanism to trap and utilize iron golems that spawn in villages.
What would happen now that mob systems can compete against each other? Evolution. Mob systems would get better and better at surviving, self-repairing, self-replicating. Mobs acting as particles, have by chance come together to create something living, in the same way that non-living particles in our world managed to create life. Abiogenesis.
These mob systems could not only compete against each others, they could work together and have different functionalities. These mob systems, similar to cells, could come together and form multicellular life. From then on, evolution would take place just like how it would in our world, and maybe even complex life could form after such a long time.
Of course, the heat death of the universe may occur before this happens, but if proton decay isn't a thing, then random quantum fluctuations would eventually create a new universe in what's called a Poincare Recurrence. In some of these newly created random universes, this experiment could run again... and again and again and again.
Under infinite time, anything that has a non-zero chance of occurring, will occur.
The result? Eventually, minecraft will create sentient life on its own, will answer all answerable questions, will create everything there is to create, will destroy everything there is to destroy. Forever over and over.
Such an amazing thought to think...
Boltzmann brain but in Minecraft
you've presented this in such a fascinating way. thank you
Imagine looking for the stronghold and seeing a baby zombie fly down on an elytra to kill you before you even get to it
I love that 3 minutes in and we already have a new kind of game mechanic: "Intended Minecraft"
21:40 Never thought I'd see a video about cosmic heat death concepts in Minecraft but here we are
I'm pretty sure explosions used to be able to destroy lava. Might just be my memory failing me, but I feel like it at least used to.
Also don't skeletons tend to circle around each other, when dueling? Let's say Snow Golem was made, attacked skeleton and said skeleton missfired into another skeleton. Given some impossible luck and unimaginable skill issue from the AI part, game could make an infinite agro machine like that.
all of this happening is gotta be rarer than anything that could happen in our universe
A computer that has this state of the world could just randomly spawn out of nothing but extremely unlikely quantum randomness
i like how in the end you faded out and trailed off to signify infinity, as if the video itself is an unending explanation, and you keep talking forever even after it ends. awesome 😁
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It would be cool if someone streamed something like this, or made a spectator mode server. with a few modifications that might change the time needed of course it might be actually interesting to watch
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that would be quite boring to most people on the internet and be suppressed by the all mighty algorithms.
no it would not, even with the entire processing power of humanity working to simulate minecraft worlds to do this would never accomplish something intresting to watch, you clearly dont understand the astronomical odds we are talking about to start one step of the things in these videos
@@lerpog4509 thats just YOUR opinion
Even if every computer on earth was running a perfect seed at 5000 times the regular progression of time in a world the sun would still die out before the things in this video naturally happen
One thing I don't ever see considered in this video are the rules endermen have for placing and picking up blocks. Do they need a block underneath to place something down? Can they take a block that's floating in the air, or will they only take a block at their feet? These things are pretty important when considering the randomisation factor.
The video he recommends at the very beginning goes more in-depth about those rules.
Great video, great job acknowledging the limitations of this thought experiment
Apparently, if you fly far enough from the Ender Dragon battlefield, you can end up on the End islands where the End cities are.
That is indeed the case, as the islands are simply REALLY far from the End Dragon island and the End Gateways just directly teleport you there.
I've actually found End Islands this way, btw!
@@stephaniethebatter7975its not even that far, its just about 1000 Blocks. Ive run past the dragon and built a bridge over there in multiple worlds over the years.
10:45 "if hit by a snow ball form an iron golem" wonderful. great feature
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incorrect quotation, he didint say that in the video
@@daanman-js6jo he did
@@plighting_engineerd nope
The fact that it's theoretically possible for endermen in that version of Minecraft to destroy all but the base bedrock makes me wonder if it was the inspiration for superflat worlds. Like, that world was destroyed and the player enters it just after it started accumulating dirt again.
"Is this the end?
yes, it is (11:16)
10:50 And that is what Star Citizen is trying to achieve with their persistent assets and stuff with their servers. Quite an insane thing to try, and if they release it is another question
Super interesting study. Minecraft is a unique feat of human creativity. A self-supporting world populated by AI. Feels Matrix-y when you think of it that way. Whose to say we’re not in the same boat?
what?
@@daanman-js6jo REALITY IS AN ILLUSION DAN YOU’RE LIVING A LIE WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
i love videos that give me an existential crisis a few seconds in
jokes aside though it is interesting. we, as humans, have made the technological advancements required to make the little self-sufficient ai world that is minecraft. in some time it's safe to say we'll be able to make a self-aware ai, which can live its own life and develop just like we can.
so who's to say someone else hasn't already reached this level of technological development?
this idea gave me a genuine existential crisis when i was a little younger, it was awful 💀 but now it's just interesting to me
@@reallifezuzu yeah who cares if we're ai or not at least we're conscious and can feel and live our lives
@@MiyuwiTV exactly, you were living your life just fine before the idea of being ai you can continue to live afterwards lol
since dropped items have a despawn timer when the chunk its in is loaded, some of this would be impossible still by vanilla terms
Unbelievably good job on this video, the effort and thought that went into this is really cool 👌
Dang, Endermen are the real protagonists.
and foxes
The flat bedrock end isn't completely devoid of everything, it's either at least one lava pool, which the final block gets destroyed in, or at least one enderman holding the final block roaming the empty world forever.
There is one other situation in which the block could be lost forever, without any lava or water pools nearby: with no blocks left to make overhanging ledges, the enderman would eventually die to rain, leaving the block to despawn.
man I was thinking through this whole video "this guy is sounding like Jorge Luis Borges" and then you brought up the Library of Babel! Amazed by your ability to make this a genuinely thought-provoking experiment.
Bro this video was so damn good, man great job!
If a minecraft world has been beaten and nobody is around to see it, did it ever really happen?
Schrödinger's world
No it didn't happen, because it crashes to desktop from a null pointer error because there's nobody to award the Free the End advancement to.
The empty bedrock superflat at the end would not make sense, as there would have to be lava nearby. So you would have lava falling from the sky in a few places, where endermen would go to be burned and remove a block from the world. If they wanted to remove the lava, they'd have to find somewhere else to remove blocks, so a small island of blocks would reappear where there is no lava. In time, that might mean a few flat islands, surrounded by lava.
I think it would be unlikely (even on the scale of "likelihood" that we're dealing with here) to have an empty bedrock superflat, but not impossible. Falling sand and gravel could slowly destroy lava pools and even oceans, and then that same sand and gravel could be picked up and moved again and again and eventually deleted when those endermen die. Once there are no pools of lava or water left for endermen to die in... well, there's always the rain.
@@LeopardMask12 I didn't think of that. That is very true.
I can't tell you the last time i played minecraft, but i can most certainly tell you i never did anything mentioned in the video outside of making ender portals. Its amazing how much stuff MC has within.
I think my favourite part of this entire, mindblowing video, was the idea of an "averaged out" minecraft world, born from endermen endlessly scrambling the blocks of the world. and the possibility of structures emerging from the randomness? I would freaking LOVE to see something like that. so so cool. :)
"As long as it is possible, then the chance is not zero" is not necessarily true btw
why?
I am rather certain that the definition of something being possible is that its chances of occuring isn't zero
@@Nick12_45 if you have infinitely many events with equal likelyhood (e.g., selecting a random number between 0 and 1) then all of them have probability 0.
Edit: note that this isn't the case here since Minecraft is discretized and finite, so there are only a finite number of events and thus all possible events have nonzero probability.
@@thierrygrise254 not in probability theory.
@@MithicSpirit Can you elaborate?
Iron Golems are more common and can do the same as snow golem mostly. New once will spawn to if the villagers survive
Came for niche Minecraft trivia, stayed for an awe-inspiring exploration into the concept of entropy.
I was literally waiting for that cut to that Discovery channel show and then it happened. I was so f******psyched
Amazing follow-up to one of my favorite videos of all time.
Truly incredible.
Awesome to think about a world where phantoms don't exist
ok
the concept of no phantoms is based on spawn possibilities of phantoms but if phantoms need players then why dont other mobs?
@@scottbright595 Phantoms specifically need players who lack sleep. Presumably this aggravates the phantoms (or they're a product of your imagination? idk).
@@Confused-Rock i undrstand the echanic but a creeper need to be inside the loaded area of a player so if we are forgetting these mechanics why not the phantoms too
Imagine waking up to see a new world, you are lost, you wander to a strange room, and find the abandoned minecraft world, and, playing fun at your new strange sinario, being lost wherever you are, trillions of years since you last fell asleep, play the game
In future we might be actually simulate this scenario with AI. I would like to see it happen but really fast forwarded.
This is literally the minecraft equivalent of the "Monkey at a type writer" thing
I think snow golems are completely unnecessary for creepers exploding in the overworld, as wolves attack and agro skeletons, which could then miss and activate creepers. Still unlikely, but far far more probable than with snow golems.
Or the portal could just be connected by a cave.
This makes me want villagers to have modern trained AI and have the same abilities as players
Every time a deck of cards is properly shuffled they are now in an order that’s never been reached before. 52! (Factorial).. that’s 8 followed by 67 Zeros.
You can imagine MC ending its self… never going to happen.
Great work! I stopped to go watch retrogaming's video and was thrilled when it kept up or exceeded that thoughtful quality! I espescially love the visuals and editing you undertook. As well, the notes about the realistic interference from dragons and lightning strikes really put me in the frame of mind to consider which infinite possibility would play out first! My only critiques are the following: it might be more accurate to call this version of the thought experiment "ideal Minecraft" since we are effectively paying attention to the perfect series of events - and on that note - Retrogaming's video made great use of the word "will" to describe these events as inevitibilities in the infinite universe - whereas you seem to focus in on the "near term" and use the term "could" to describe the events as possibilities. There are a few times I think you had everything necessary to make an absolute statement, but you seemed to ease off to avoid overreaching? You certainly earned the certainty to declare some absolute truth so don't hold back! Either way you made some excellent points and kept me hooked the entire time! Thanks for putting this together :D
In the version of Minecraft where ender man can move anything there would still be water and lava pillars. Where lakes rivers and oceans once were. That’s probably something that could be simulated in a chunk or 2 with current computing power.
This is basically bubblesort
You get the advantage of being able to make the most perfect sort of: 1 turn
But that's a 1 in a 10000000000 chance(depend on how much you can rearrange the blocks)
Now I want to make some sort of program that doesn't simulate this, but logically visualizes the interactions that could happen, kinda like Little Alchemy. For example, an Enderman could take a block and walk into lava, destroying the block. These combinations of steps would give you an abstracted version: Destroy Block.
22:00 natural cobblestone/stone generators might form and regenerate the landscape
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I think this is a pretty good example of entropy, good video
The world would never become flat, as lava and water protects blocks. Even if, the last lave source is required to destroy the last block
Also you could mention cobble generators and come to the opposite conclusion that the world is covered entirely, with tiny air pockets below
Who needs lava, when blocks can despawn? The last lava source could be destroyed, an enderman picks up the last block... and then it starts raining. Even so, the destruction of all that lava and water would be unlikely even on the scale of probabilities being worked with here, you're right.
I was not expecting this to be existential
This is literally Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy's version of Earth generating the question
Some things are wrong about this, consider the caged ender crystals. Zoglins do not spawn naturally by the way, and it'll die to the Endermans before even getting a chance to walk through the outer end islands. It would also take extreme luck for a fox to grab the elytra, since the elytra would just despawn. Sure, the elytra can be safely stored inside a hopper, although very unlikely. If the elytra ended up despawning, then there will be no other elytras being accessible to any of the mobs since the dragon will only die once, hence only one outer end portal. Ghasts are too big to fit through nether portals, so all the section about ghast are basically useless. The iron farm can also be instantly destroyed by Endermans as quickly as they made it, either by freeing the villagers or slightly alternating the water to pour down and put out the lava. Endermans cannot move lava and water, so the rest of the world would be lava, water and bedrock. Cool video, really explores the actual limits of Minecraft and simulation!
One End Gateway allows for access to the only outer End, which has much more than just one End City with Elytra. All arena End Gateways just lead to points of that same large Outer End, making multiples unnecessary.
@TheRedSmarty 20 End Gateways can spawn on the main island. Each has an exit of it's own far away from the main island. Endermans cannot bridge to other end islands, therefore the you can only have an amount of End Cities that can fit on that outer island. The Cities that contains the Elytra is even rarer, making the chance of getting more than 1 Elytra almost impossible.
@@SileyCone Oh, I didn't realize there was no way for the needed moves to travel between islands. I know how the gateways work.
@@TheRedSmarty The fox and zoglin can never reach the other end ships though because endermen can't bring dirt in to build a staircase. The entire original scenario was premised by the end gateway generating right above an end ship. And yes since the elytra would despawn you would need to rerun the simulation again until a fox and zoglin came in at the same time. At that point it's not about infinite time in 1 minecraft world, it's about infinite time spent rerunning infinite simulations of the perfect world.
The other big problem is you'd need a seed with all these conditions met which probably doesn't exist.
@@pdpgb Yeah, the original commenter already told me that there's no way for the mobs to travel the outer End.
This might as well prove that the universe was created by some super being in the 4th dimension, as a computer game for them, this is their game where we humans are just endermen. This also perfectly describes the entropy concept in our own reality, how things could go to disorder given enough time. This is just absolutely insane.
no, a 24 minute minecraft video does not prove we are in a simulation
A sequel to that?!? Dying to watch this
Finally my question i had in my mind for so long has been answered.
Super awesome video I'm really excited for part 2
This is my favorite video you've made. What an interesting concept.
someone get this man a pop filter
this is one of, if not the most poetic minecraft videos i've ever seen
I'm used to getting struck by nostagia in a Minecraft video, but 0:54 was so unexpected
Thank you!
I think Endermen couldn't even in Minecraft Beta 1.8 construct overhangs of any block because they cannot place blocks over air (they cannot place on the sides, only on top of blocks) or remove blocks that don't have air immediately above.
Just thought of an amazing mod.
Imagine a mod, where you could craft some sort of item (idk what with or how) but it would age your minecraft world by a quintillion years or something. You could then explore how the world was shaped, with there maybe even being an evolution mechanic to mobs, where they'd evolve depending on what had happened in those quintillion years. It'd be full of bugs and laggy as all hell but it would be hella fun.
Ooooh, and it'd be fun to make multiple copies or replay the same seed multiple times... doing some different things each time... then jumping to each future & seeing how your little actions may have caused drastic changes (butterfly effect) versus being devoured by fate!
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her *EXACTLY*
some interesting enough generation could actually end up creating a natural cobblestone generator. ive actually come across one in a world before while exploring a cave until it reached a narrow part of an underground ravine, where it then it would fall off
additionally, there was some lava that happened to be doing the same thing from a different area, reaching the same spot, which resulted, with some rough edges, a cobblestone generator.
Interesting video. Very interesting person making the video. After only 2:38 minutes my mind was blown as i am presented with the Truman fact. The reasoning and analytical abilities of some people are so amazing. Also thank you for the bable website hint.